The Politics of Identity in Malaysia

wht else do u expect from them ? the prophet was given shelter and a safe haven by the jews of medina .. soon he used this oppurtunity to massacre them and get to control(REF : Alamgir Hussain
>>http://desicritics.org/2007/02/13/025843.php )... .........

gaining total control of every inch of the world's land , no matter how , has been the foundation of islam ... nothing moderate in the strategies ... never will be ...
that sed ... wht can one say abt the spineless manner in which the indian govt has stood up ( OXYMORONIC USAGE , RT? )for its own citizens being constantly abused there , let alone the abuse of people of indian origin ... when indians cannot stand up to defend fellow citizens from abuse abroad , wht do they expect to do to defend people of indian origin ?

here we go again..Bhaskar 'misinformed' Dasgupta as usual you make statements that are inaccurate and baseless.
"1. Why is China not squeaking about its progeny in Malaysia and why is Chinese Media, controlled though it is, not moaning about it as the Indian Media is?....The concept of the "middle kingdom" and the sheer numbers means that Beijing rarely bothers about diaspora Chinese."

what utter junk this is.
China cut of diplomatic relations with Indonesia for years after ethnic Chinese businesses were targeted in riots in Indonesia. China made a huge fuss about it. Chinese are treated better than Indians in Malaysia. If they are not, China will kick up a huge row.
Please do your research more thoroughly Dr.

Dear "excitable" Ajay

1. The point was to compare the chinese with the malays, not with the indians. I further suggest you look up the history of the bhumiputera movement and think about WHY it arose.

2. Think about the 102 approximately large chinese diaspora countries and then think about how many times has china made a fuss about their diaspora. One swallow does not make a summer, my friend, and when you are doing a trend, try not to relate a trend to just one sample point.

Best of luck in the thinking department :)

We complain of Indians in Malaysia, who are not treated well in Malaysia.

What about Indians treated like third grade citizens in India?

Anti-dowry law 498A IPC is non-bailable and cognisable.

One line of false complaint by unscrupulous daughter-in-law makes the entire

extended family of husband arrested without any enquiry, verification or investigation.

After they are arrested then the unscrupulous woman and corrupt Indian Police in collusion

negotiate money to make it compoundable and take the complaint back.

This Extortion usually ranges from 5 lakhs to several crores depending as many people are named in complaint.There are fake extortion rackets as warned by USA and Canadian Governments.

Every 2 minutes a man is falsely implicated in a dowry case.

But after the trial it is prove that the case was false and media does not

report that 98% of the cases have been prove false in courts.

This is disgusting abuse of Indian Citizens, by their own Government in India,

Why to talk about Malaysia and the sovereign Government of Malaysia ?



These are statistics from National Crime Record Bureau (NCRB) :-

Every 3 minutes a senior citizen is arrested on a false dowry case.

Every 4 minutes a man is forced to commit suicide due to family problems, such

as domestic abuse of wife ( threat of using dowry laws to arrest him and his family.

450 minor children were falsely arrested in dowry case last year.

1500 people over 85 years were arrested last year on false dowry case.

Why is this abuse going on and government is unable to do anything?

Shame on Indian Govt for mistreating their own citizens of India.

Hey BD: Thanks for pointing out that the Malaysian identity politics are far more complex than has been widely reported.

India seems to have a government in power currently that veers wildly between following the post-Pokhran II diplomacy and the old knee-jerk variety of Cold War-style one. The Malaysia furor is obviously in the second category.

There is another more worrying trend here and that is the vote bank politics of Congress and Left parties (which is traditional) where there is an increasing use of the American model (new) with grand standing on an international issue in hope of internal poll gains.

It seems that any form of "exclusionary" politics of identity - ethnic, religious, linguistic - is doomed to failure in different ways. I have been recently looking at how exclusionary identity politics works in both developed and developing worlds and am increasingly fascinated by the similarities.

Gope: One point: The "Indians" in Malaysia are NOT Indians but Malaysians of Indian origin. For us to make a fuss is a bit like Ghana protesting treatment of African Americans after Katarina, or the French complaining about the Quebec Canadians. Not our problem!

Btw, I assume you have a similar explanation for the disgustingly low conviction rate in courts for rape cases not only in India but around the world? That they are all false?

ANAMIKA

I am talking about FALSEHOOD in criminal complaint. Section 498A IPC has become a "GOLDMINE" for Criminal daughter-in law, Corrupt Indian Police, prosecutors and Judiciary.

I have said:
One line of false complaint by unscrupulous daughter-in-law makes the entire extended family of husband arrested without any enquiry, verification or investigation.

In case of "RAPE" the entire family of accused does not suffer, But in case of 498A IPC entire
family including pregnant women, Old Widows and
senior and dying persons in the family are taken into custody.

I think Dr. bd is advising Indians to put up with the current moderate (in his view) muslim regime or invite a more radical regime. In other words, don't do anything, because it could get worse. Perhaps he right.

In almost all muslim countries around the world, non believers are insignificant minorities. If Malaysia has significant minorities, it is time their living in the country is made a little more challanging so that some of them may choose to leave and those left behind become insignificant. I think that is a story of minorities in muslim countries. So what is new?
Morris

"In other words, don't do anything, because it could get worse. Perhaps he right."

Not surprised if that came from a 'brave heart' like widely travelled Dr.Bengal is full of such bravehearts.Hey BD,pls shop for some brains when travel around the world?Why give advise the Hindus always?No guts to ask the believers?What's the advise to the Bangladeshi Hindus,or whatever is left of them?

No, Morris, I am not advising Malaysians of Indian origin of sitting back and taking it on the chin. The situation has now degenerated and will progressively become worse as the Indian Poor Tamils progressively start moving to become a bit more antsy.

But the prediction I am making is that in response, the Malays will become even more hardline and while I am very doubtful that a LTTE type of campaign can take place (too small a population and not that wide a support), it will start becoming a festering sore.

As for Bong Buster, thank you for your comment.

Hey Dr.bd, You and I agree. There is no easy answer. They simply want to make visible minority invisible. You have not said anything negative about present regime. You called them moderate. You appear to be critical of those showing support for Tamils from overseas. I fail to understan your point in writing this column.
Morris

Morris

May I suggest you follow the links given in the post? There is much more to the Malaysian imbrogilo than just a simple Islam-Hindu debate.

Blatant racism shown by the malaysian government is wrong.

Commenting on the Malaysian Government's policy's by the Indian Government is misplaced

The fact that fundamentalism is on the rise in Malaysia is a fact

The fact that Malaysia Indians are discriminated against is a fact

The campaigns that the Malaysian Hindu's are running is perfect, as long as they leave it as non-violent and not get into the hothead debates around LTTE etc.

Do the above conclusions help?

Dr.bd. Yes, it does help. And I agree with your explanatory comments. Thanks
Morris

If Indians of India can carry out processions in support of palestenians, in support of Iraq, in support of Afganistan, if government of India can speak in UNO in support of palestenians why can'nt tyhe same people and same government spoeak for the rights of malaysians of Indian origin.

please note that malays Muslims can from java Indonesia in 15th century, Chinese and Indians came in 19th.

Orang Asli (original inhabitants) are real owners of malaysia and rest are outsiders including malays Muslims and others.

Muslims with a typical land grabbing mentality and enjoy war booty (taughhjt to them by their propfet himself who use to take 20% of all war spoils including women slaves in the name of Allah )45% malays captured whole country.

Indians the most vulnerable lot reduced 1% every by every 10 years are just 8% now with malays 52 % . Some poepl suspect even manupulated data in census to show malay majority in country.

Bottom line is that situatioin is bad. Economic and Phyiscal terror is still being used to convert to islam along with other type of pressures and discriminations.

I wonder how come Human rightists are altogather silent on issue of Indians. They strat shouting even if a single westerner white is arrested in any non western counytry?

Interesting Nationalism! I wish you could research on the issue rather than echoing saffron kind of nationalism.

That blog has to say more

http://escapefromindia.wordpress.com/

Pedesi babu,

I found nothing new in this website.
gangs of mao marx macauley and Mulla who surrendered to foreign invaders and converted to their ideologies need some justification or the other to justify their traitorship to motherland.

They followed a simple trick. They strated demonise Brahmins under patronage of Muslims invaders or British invaders.

Truth of matter is that India has been under Budhists since 327 BC to 1000AD. Under Muslim rule from 1000 AD to 1757 AD and Under British Christian rule since 1757 to 1947 and under secular democracy since 1947. When the hell Brahmins ruled this country and did the things what these gangs of mao marx macauley and mullas blame on their head.

Yes landlords appointed by foreign muslim invaders exploited the society.

perdesi Babu research has to be done on this issue if society was exploited by Brahmins or lanlords.

Cunningly and crookedly sins of landlords like VP Singh etc were put on Brahmins head only to fabricate false justification of their traitorship and conversion.

Y Sikand is well known for Muslim affiliations and his descriptions carry no weight at all.

By refering his writings you have exposed even your own mentality Mr pedesi babu.

Truth is that Brahmins never accumulated wealth. They distributed free education for thousands of years. they served the society selflessly for 2 mutthi bhikhsa a unique way of self sufficiency.

yes system got corrupted in last 1000 years when landlords created a hell like situation for all sections of society.

Ancinet literature is full of references when Shudras use to attend temples, kathas and accumulated good amount of wealth and lived happyly.

It were the landlords who made them sort of bonded labour. Even Brahmins being dependednt of landlords acted at their commands.

Just do some research and analyse case by case even today if ther any crime against dalits in India it is landlords (Brahmins or non Brahmins) who are behind every crime against dalits.

Just select few reports and your eyes will stand open.

I am happy that you have brought issue of plight of Dalits of Kashmir by Muslims alomng with Pandits.

If you are doing some projects to uplift dalits I will help you out my dear upto best of my capacity but please stop demonising the worst victims of foreign invaders ie Brahmins.

So far a little highre percentage of Brahmins in Government jobs is concerned in my opinion it was a sort of economic compulsion of Brahmins.

They were landless community strating from begining of creation. Some had lands, others has bussiness, dalits were good crafts men or trade workers Brahmins acted as social workers or temple priests or free teachers supported by alma only.

During Britsih rule India became so poor that even alms were not avalaible and hence they as were already in education sector learnt english and became servants of invaders.

Even today majority of Brahmins are landless uneducated and doing menial jobs like cleaning toilets in Sulabh Internation Delhi Lucknow and many places.

Out of 50 million Brahmins there may be 15 million as you highlighted who associated with invaders and became dominant. But remianing 35 million are landless uneducate and as poor as dalits.

How such poor and weak people exploit anybody else. Just think over it before jumping up and down.

There are many tribes in the world who remian naked. Even jain saints remian naked so are nagas. idea is that those who live a soul centric life (atmabhimani) do not see humanity in terms of male or female while people like me and you who are Dehabhimani ie body centric identity feel it odd.

Leave their things on them and discuss the real issue if malaysian Indians are being harrassed or not. I never said that things are all right in India. India also have problems. But we have identified the problem, and problems are being solved systematically.

dalits today are reaching up to presidents level, Chief minister of largest state is dalit women and I wish one day dalit will be Prime Minister.

All educated Hindus accept this ground reality are apologetic about mistakes made by their forfathers in some circumestances and are doing everything possible within theur reach to uplift their dalit brothers and sisters. Reform is taking place from within the society.

Therefore stop acting on behalf of gangs of foreign invaders as they act like gutter inspects and highlight the most negative interpretation of situation only to justify their association with foreign gangs of mao marx macauley and Mullas.

The ciivlisational values originated from soil of India are spreading globally nowadays. Plurality is the talk of the world today. yoga meditation vegetarianism , vedanta and a interfaith networks are cropping like anything around the globe vindicating our ancinet stand that `ekam sad vipra bahuda vadanti' ir truth is one and wisemen explain it in different ways.