Law and Justice: When Will These Atrocities Against Women End?

It can be hard to believe in the face of news like this, but there are still men who never have and never will harass women, much less threaten any woman with violent assault.

Still, I wholeheartedly agree with you that we must do more to shield innocent women and men from the violence of the vicious few.

"Law and Justice: When Will These Atrocities Against Women End?"- The day it will end against men!!!
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Writer no one had dare to answer your question:-

Here is my solution:
1.The day Indian men will belive in Modern Laxman principal instead of Modern Ravan Principal.
2. The day Indian women should belive that crime is crime and a women can't get scot free after doing the crime and the necessary LAW to be made those women who misuse the LAW just to fulfill thier own selfish agenda.

At the end, we need LAW crime based , irrespective of any gender,caste or religion.

Not sure our LAW maker understand that or not.

Till the time crime will only to be on incresing side let it be against men or against women.

"The second incident was the dual murder of a mother and daughter, both lawyers, in Delhi. The dastardly act was discovered only hours later."
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And for your kind information writer, you might not be knowing, those two lady had been send so many innocent women behind the bar without any evidence/investigation by misusing the LAW and when thsoe women proved thier innocence, do not think that thier Laxman brother will not punish such women.

In front of LAW , in front of Society such women can hide thier real face , but in front of a Modern laxman they can't hide thier face.

To save millions of Modern Sita, Modern Laxman must learn from the mistake , what the orginal laxman had done thousands of years ago( leave her justing cutting Nose and ear , but not killed. As a result in the war every one die except she and today her childs are moving freely in our society).

That is the reality writer. To save millions of Modern Sita, Modern laxman have to act.

#2 and #3:

regurgitated balderdash

Baby Making Machines (not babies) need protection.

Really a Great Patriarchal thought.

Atrocities against women will end, when women stop atrocities against children (born or unborn).

cop out

Sumanth, do not worry still all Indian Women have not followed the same path like writer.
Check this , this also by a women jurnalist in only.( Link in URL for ready reference)
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Gender Bender

Aparna Banerjee Seal

Life is full of sobs, sniffles and smiles, with sobs and sniffles
predominating and that is reality.
-- George Bernard Shaw

TIMES are changing. Never before was so much concern displayed about human
rights in the form of freedom of mind, body, thought, expression, belief,
faith and worship. But what about societal duties? After all, should
everything be taken as absolute and unconditional? Then again, when it comes
to women's rights, evidence points to a lack of respect that provokes
protests that emanate from the heart.
Calcutta High Court advocate Shekhar Basu says impatience, insolence,
arrogance and the effects of globalisation have contributed largely to a
change of attitude. "Some of the existing laws need to be amended. It is
time Section 498A was made bailable and compoundable," he says by way of
defending his argument that it robs men of means to defend themselves.
Section 498A became part of the Criminal Law Act on 25 December 1983, the
Supreme Court saying its inclusion was in response to the needs of society.
The cruelty a number of married women were being subjected to in India had
to be stopped. An amendment to the Evidence Act was effected, shifting the
burden of proof of innocence to the accused, much against normal criminal
jurisprudence.
Section 498A determines that if a husband or his relatives subject a woman
to cruelty, they face imprisonment for a term extendible to three years and
are also be liable to being fined. More significantly, the (perceived)
"offence" is non-bailable and non-compoundable.
Law defines cruelty on women thus:
l Willful conduct that is of such nature as is likely to drive her to commit
suicide or cause grievous injury or danger to life, limb or health (whether
mental or physical); or
l Harassment with a view to coercing her or any other person related to her
into meeting any unlawful demand for property or valuable security or is on
account of failure by her or any person related to her to meet such demand.
According to Chittotosh Mukerjea, the section shouldn't be made bailable and
compoundable because women are still considered "weaker" by society. "But,"
says this former chief justice of Bombay High Court and once commissioner of
the Human Rights Commission, "we must also judge things in a wider context."

So what are the ground realities in a city like Kolkata? Here are "reasons"
why some women, supported by relatives and parents, filed cases under
Section 498A:
n A 26-year-old woman from a middle-class family lets it be known, soon
after her marriage, that she isn't much good at household chores. Nor is she
interested in any. She claims she never learnt how to even peel a mango. But
she is very much demanding when it comes to "the services and comforts" her
in-laws and husband are "supposed to provide" her.
With the marriage barely two years old, the wife demands that all property
and savings the family has be transferred to her husband and that her
sister-in-law should never visit her house since the latter causes her
discomfort. While the first demand is met, in-laws and husband reject the
second, making it clear that the "sister-in-law" in question will visit and
stay with them as and when she wished.
But soon after the property and savings are transferred, the woman begins to
insist that the second demand also be met. Things come to a head when the
husband put his foot down. What follows is a walkout by the woman who
decides to live with her parents. The matter doesn't end there. She and her
parents begin threatening the husband and his family with filing a case
under Section 498A.
n Within of 11 days of marriage, a woman files a case under Section 498A and
demands Rs 7 lakh as compensation.
n A 15-year-old girl, described as being easily given to emotion, commits
suicide only six months after her marriage.
These are examples enough to show how marriages could have survived had the
women displayed a little patience, tolerance and sensitiveness. Says West
Bengal law minister Nishith Adhikari, "The Section should be made
compoundable. Making it non-bailable is like sending a soldier to the
battlefield with both his hands chopped off."
Calcutta High Court advocate Joymalla Bagchi backs his view. "Prior notice
of arrest with justifiable reason as to why such a measure is necessary must
be issued by the police to the defendant. Such action will help ascertain
genuine cases of torture on women," he says.
His colleague, Milan Mukerjea, says. "It's high time the Section was made
compoundable and bailable. In most cases, it is used with a motive to harass
husbands and their families."
The Supreme Court has also spoken in favour of an amendment. In Hansraj v
the State of Haryana, the apex court observed that Section 498A should be
amended to make the "offence" bailable to reduce the number of false cases.
It also spoke of the need for both husband and wife being counselled.
The Malimath Committee in its report observed that on many occasions Section
498A acted against the wife's interests. Since any offence under the Section
was non-bailable and non-compoundable, the accused husband and/or members of
his family could be arrested and jailed. As a result, the accused could lose
his job. And later on, even if the wife was willing to forget and forgive,
returning to her husband's home became impossible. Such an eventuality could
be avoided only by making the offence bailable and compoundable.
Sujoy Chakraborty, who retired as Kolkata's Police Commissioner a few days
ago, also wants "certain amendments to Section 498A". Referring to the
latest crime chart, he says there have been fewer reports of such crimes.
There is no arguing that women are still considered weak, so there must be
laws to protect them. But if we're looking for long-term change, this must
evolve from society itself -- a collective realisation from within that women
are no less human than men.
"Laws alone cannot change a society," says Joymalla Bagchi. "The change must
come from the socio-economic levels." She's right.
Marriage is a long-term alliance that is sustained by mutual trust and
respect. That's why it's very important why a woman, while choosing a
partner, must carefully consider the following:
n Her own financial and other material requirements;
n Her own habits, likes and dislikes and how these might affect others;
n Make a dispassionate self-assessment -- whether she's the emotional kind,
whether she's ready to care and share or be a self-seeker, whether she wants
control of everything, and whether she desires complete or partial freedom
in her in-laws' home;
n The promises made by both sides on practical grounds during the period of
negotiation;
n A clear understanding that her sister-in-laws has as much legal right as
she has to her in-laws' property. To be sure, both daughter-in-law and
sister-in-law must respect each other's rights; and
n The need for medical check-ups.
While filing a case under Section 498A, a woman must also consider the
following:
n Whether the promises made earlier have really been broken;
n If it is some in-law adjustment that she might construe as mental torture;

n Whether she respects her in-laws as much as she expects her husband to
respect her parents;
n Whether her's isn't a matter of sheer jealousy, selfishness,
inconsideration and impatience;
n Whether "torture" springs from a momentary explosion of emotions or
amounts to pre-meditated action;
n Whether her eagerness to find happiness or establish her rights in her
in-laws' home isn't costing others their rights; and
n If her problems aren't the result of differences of opinions and petty
quarrels instead of actual criminal intent.
Obviously, the onus is equally on women to ensure that Section 498A isn't
abused. It is very important for a woman to realise that if her in-laws are
thrown into crisis and trauma, she can't escape the effects. Nor can she
afford to be whimsical or irresponsible and must engage in
self-introspection before taking the extreme step. Marriage is, after all, a
two-way street with more than two persons lining the sidewalk!
These days, more and more young men are "scared" of marrying. Why? Because
they fear "domestic violence", that marriage will force them to "dump our
parents", that their "freedom will be curbed", that marriage will result in
a "gloomy existence".
It's equally true that many women these days are seen as trouble-makers.
Selfishness does lend the lie to individuality. Breaking away from a big
family to form a nucleus unit is no big deal provided the move is stamped
with the guarantee that the nest stays intact.
Demanding rights and getting them is all very well, but hurting others
creates a chasm that's apt to leave one on the shelf. However well deserved,
though, there's no shoulder to cry on.

Fast track court gives rapist 13-yr jail term


LUCKNOW: For 40-year-old Sunita Devi (name changed), it was perhaps time to flash a victorious smile. She was raped by a sweeper in a hospital after being admitted to undergo surgery in April this year and she finally got justice from a fast track court of Lucknow on Wednesday.

The court gave a sentence of a 13-year imprisonment term and Rs 2000 as fine to the rapist. The order was pronounced by a single judge Bench comprising Justice Dharma Raj Mishra.
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Man gets life term for burning wife


NEW DELHI: A man who murdered his wife by burning her three years ago in northwest Delhi has been sentenced life term by a trial court on Wednesday.

However, his parents -- who were facing the same charge -- were sentenced to seven years' rigorous imprisonment.

Finding them guilty of subjecting 19-year-old Babita to cruelty and causing her death, additional sessions judge Narottam Kaushal also imposed a fine of Rs 5000 and 1000 on Raj Kumar and his parents respectively.

Terming Babita's death as "unfortunate", the court observed that a husband was morally responsible for providing the woman with a peaceful and secure future.

Instead of providing her with the expected security, he ended her life in the most cruel and brutal manner. According to the prosecution, Babita was admitted in Lok Nayak Jai Prakash hospital with 90 per cent burn injuries on August 11, 2003.

But before her death five days later, she stated that she had been torched by her husband. She also alleged that her mother-in-law poured kerosene and father-in-law incited the husband to kill her.

They also used to subject her to cruelty demanding Rs 50,000, the victim stated in her statement.

MORE JUSTICE: WE need more judges like these. Hang them or throw the criminals to jail.
Great job judges. Great

NEW DELHI: A 20-year-old woman was stabbed to death by her friend at Chattarpur Extension in Mehrauli on Tuesday afternoon. The man, who is physically challenged, then went on to stab himself and is admitted in AIIMS with little chance of survival.

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How does the victim's culpability justify murder? And what does a 'modern Laxman' have to do with a criminal act? Let's face it, women are treated brutally in our contemporary Indian society, and even when victimized, they're given no relief by the media that hounds them, harangues them, humiliates them, and finally, casts cynical aspersions on their own motives for reporting the crimes. Let's not even waste time clubbing crimes against men and women in the same sentence--crimes against women by men (yes, let's say it again, clearly, against women BY MEN) are a bane on our society and culture. If there are indeed any Laxmans or Lakshmans out there today, they should look for penises to cut off rather than ears!

Mr.Ashok Banker,

Do I call you a Libertarian, conservative or a fundamentalist?

So, you also strongly believe in chopping up of penises, "breasts" of criminals (depending on gender of the criminal).

The atrocities against women will not end till the atrocities against and insensitivity towards men/boys by women and other men do not end.

22000 men are driven to suicide by their wives every year. Not a single of these female criminals are behind bars. Modern Laxman will make sure that these Surpanakhas are put behind bars.

Crime is Crime Irrespective of Gender.

Life of a man is as important as life of a woman.

Sumanth, call me an Indian. I'm proud to be one. I don't 'strongly' believe in any kind of violence, whether justifiable or otherwise. I'm against it. I don't know where you get the statistic on 22,000 men 'driven to suicide'--do you mean that their wives ask them to get into the car and then drive them at full speed to a town named 'Suicide'? That would be more credible! Also, regardless of whether or not men are driven to suicide or taken there in bullock carts, by their wives, aunts, uncles or underwear, it has nothing to do with crimes against women, which have more to do with sexual politics and interpersonal as well as social powerplay. You're right in saying that a crime is a crime irrespective of gender, and the life of a man, woman, child, etc, is equally important. At least we agree on that.

By the way, what about the farmers driven to suicide by debts? Do you think Laxman should come along and lop off the ears of the politicians? In fact, do you think everyone who is related to a suicide victim should be treated as a criminal? In that case, who decides these cases? Men, women or Laxmans?

Mr.Ashok Banker,

Just shouting from roof tops calling for "chopping of penises" will not reduce any crime against women.

I wont accept that you are against all kinds of violence. The fact that you called for "cutting of penises" contradicts your statement.

Society treats men in much harsher way than it treats a woman. Please take some pain to find all get all the stats (from accidents, suicides, murders to diseases).

It is a fact that 22,000 men are driven to suicide by their wives every year. But, a society which considers "men are disposable, chooses to ignore it."

The suicide rate of married men is 2 times more than suicide rate of married women where as for unmarried the stats remain the same.

Check SIF website for Suicide stat data. This data is from WHO and other reliable sources.
Save Indian Family

It does not matter whether 22,000 or just 2200 men are driven to suicide by their wives. What is alarming is that none of these criminal women are even arrested or even the FIR is lodged.

When women can go scot free by indulging in murder, driving husbands to suicide by monetary extortion, why the hell the same privilege is not extended to men as well.

Either criminals (of both genders) are punished or none is punished.

50% of rape cases filed are false. 80% of dowry cases are false. Supreme court of India has termed this as "Legal Terrorism by women"

How many such legal terrorists are punished?

We in SIF give a damn about crime against women till we get "Gender Equality" in punishments to criminals in both genders.

How childish and blind! I care a damn , this is not a college debate.

Because only a child dares say Emeror has no clothes
Ah so you do not want to debate becuase you do not want facts to change your opinions

Bankerji
An intelligent analysis of the sucide statistics should give you the figure of 23000 men being driven to sucide by wives. Do a factorial differentiation Analyse the WHO statistcis ,, statiustics by professor K Nagaraj of Madras institute of development studies or by nimhans and you get he figure of 23000 + men driven to suicide by men.

A poor farmer is driven to sucide by becuase his wife torchure him for not beringing enough money .

When a poor farmers wife commits sucide we say it is dowry death

Reporter, do not worry, Indian men sacrifice thier life to save Indian women.
Now the question is you are a Modern Ravan or Modern Laxman, that you have decided.
Now would you please explain why not a single wife had been behind the bar for killing thier husabnd?
or
It is the whole sale free lincence given by those reporters to kill thier husabnd and get scot free?

That is the question you have to think provided you are a nohest person.

Why 304B and 498a is made for only wife? Where husabnd does crime or not that is not a considered at all. If husabnd can't prove his innocence he have to get the punishment by default.

But still the conviect rate is only less than 2% ..and 98% case filed to extrote the money?

Crime is crime and the punishment should be as per crime, the same can't be on assumption that all 600 millions men are criminal and all 600 millions women are abala nari...

If some reporters does not have any honest social responsibility, that does not mean that every one should belive in Modern Ravan principle.

Ashok Banker , first update the knowledge.
22000 husabnds murder by wife only the way 7000 wife murder by husabnds family.. provided the meanning of sucide and murder considered in the same logic.

Further if you would like to add the accident and farmer sucide the same goes to above 55000...
If you are short of knowledge for that we are not responsible.
All death stastics are available in the internate, just chek that.
Twisting the stastics and hide the crime aginst men data no longer in Modern Ravans hand...

"We in SIF give a damn about crime against women till we get "Gender Equality" in punishments to criminals in both genders."

Sumanth, in addition to that, some people say it is better to hang to till death instead of suffering the whole life in the hand of a Nagin Wife.

The way swapan does...the day will not be too far when a men does not get any social as well as legal justice, they will take the LAW in thier hand to remove the criminals and for that hang to death punishment they are ready to take with a big smile the way Bhagaht Singh and his gang done.. that is indian men!!!

At least they will ensure that a Nagin should not bite further innocent....that is the reality.

[USUAL K-BLATHER]

You ppl know what the real fuck up is???????????

When one of us writes something about cruelty towards a particular caste, sex, demographic, anything.... another section starts writing against that.

when someone says its bad that a muslim got killed in kanpur, others say what about the hindus getting killed in kashmir.

when one talks about wives being killed by husbands, another bunch of assholes start trying to bloody justify that by talking of wives tormenting husbands.

and this crap goes on and on and on and fucking on. and desicritics is littered with this.

and then u educated assholes have the fuck fuck audacity to call it a discussion.

and thats why we indians fuck up big time.

cos we simply dont understand that

ITS WRONG TO KILL, MAIM, HARASS, ANY MEMBER OF ANY COMMUNITY JUST COS SOMEONE ELSE FROM THAT COMMUNITY DID SOMETHING.

Gandhi my man, i already feel sorry for u

"Gandhi my man, i already feel sorry for u"

(sigh) Ditto

could'nt agree more sidDes, and kaveeta.

when spamming is seen as discussion we know we have sunk to levels pathetic.

a conversation requires that we suspend 'judgement' for a while at least.

if people figure that 'speeches' and 'spamming' is discussion u know the result - and for all to see.

Balaji

It is hatred and refusing to see the truth or even bothering to find the truth. Acc to them all women are liars and culprits for all the wrongs in the world.
We blame politicians for corruption, in return they ask us that as a young generation what are we doing?

We do this (the above).

Gender-wars.

I definately feel & believe that some of them have been falsely implicated BUT they have gone so overboard in their strategy to bring change that they don't realize they have given refuge to real criminals in their group and that only has brought their downfall & disgrace. Little do they realize that this has brought bad reputation to them.

I wonder they give refuge to real criminals in their group only to hike numbers, if so, it speaks very little of their confidence.

We all will go round and round in this with no results.

i guess it is the same madness. some assholes who incidentally are muslims - we call names and condemn the community

some bad women we push for hatred of women.

some bad hindus, we call hindus bad.

but the fact is to figure out which is often the reality.

often women, dalits, muslims are targeted, then we need to react to it.

not that all women, dalits, muslims are all angels - just like all hindus, men and brahmins/rajputs/kshatriyas are not necessarily all good people.

but hatred has only two colors - black and white.

me or against me. sad, but true.

Delhi man sentenced for harassing wife:

NEW DELHI: A court has sentenced a man to six months in prison for harassing his wife who died after being set ablaze allegedly by his mother five years ago in an east Delhi locality.

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Kaveeta, Balaji, SidDes,

If Indian Media, Pseudo-Liberals and Chauvinistic pigs keep dwelling in hatred and half-truths, you will keep getting more and more SIFs all over India, Internet and Blogs.

Man the truth man.

The only thing we requested for 2 years was:

1) Do not stereotype all Men.
and do not indulge in Gender Hatred against men and boys.

We sent these requests to everyone including Media, bloggers, Feminists, Chauvinists disguied as Libertarians and "free speech" experts.

So much fucked up these people are that they do not care what happens to innocent elders or even women(married and unmarried).

All the fucking creatures are responsible for making the country what it is today.

A bunch fucking idiots will only find fucking idiots every where.

The only way is to talk with sense and balance.
When it is not done and in stead language of hate is used, then what one gets is hatred in return.

Life is a Mirror.

Media and Pseudo-Liberals have to make a choice because SIF is growing at a rapid rate and there will be many more SIFs all around.

Mr.Reporter:

The stories of women's suffering are too stale. People are used to it.

The backlash has begun.

From now onwards, men will start gaining.

Kaveeta:

Why should atrocities against women end? Whats the problem if them continue? Whats the problem if they increase?

After all, increase is sufferings of women will make many people make money, business in the name of feminism.

If strong laws could eliminate crimes, then the world would have been crime free some 2500 years back.

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To Desicritics Members:

If you feel SIF's stats and assertions are wrong, then please publish alternate stats and research.

Just shouting against sufferings of women from roof tops will lead to nothing.
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The popularity of an Indian Blog is based on how many people agree with it. So, the blogs which are most popular are extremely dumb and contribute nothing.
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Indians do have a serious problem with disagreements and "free speech".

The bottomline is, till Media(TV and print) and chauvinistic bloggers (disguised as Libertarians) stop presenting Half-Truths and misandrist lies, SIF will stereotype all women.

If all Muslims are bad, then it natural that all Hindus are bad.

Same way,

If all men are bad, then its also natural that all women are bad.

The best way is to accept it.

Balaji,

You write:
"not that all women, dalits, muslims are all angels - just like all hindus, men and brahmins/rajputs/kshatriyas are not necessarily all good people."

What a nice and politically correct way of writing to remain safe. Is not it?

Let me write the same context and words this way:
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not that all men, brahmins/rajputs/kshatriyas, hindus are all angels - just like all muslims, women and dalits are not necessarily all good people.
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How does it sound?

Mr.Reporter, take this.

Has adultery made him commit suicide?

Twenty-six-year-old Radhakrishna, a B-grade scientist of DRDL, could have ended his life on Saturday or Sunday, police said. He was married in September 2004. His pregnant wife is staying at her parent's place for delivery. When foul smell started emanating from the scientist's quarter, his neighbours alerted the police who broke open the door only to find Radhakrishna hanging from the ceiling. The police found a suicide note. The scientist committed suicide as he had strained relationship with his wife, police said. "The note also talks about the suspicion he had over his wife,"the police said. A native of Nalgonda, Radhakrishna, has been working with the DRDL for the last two years.

Balaji,

You wrote:
"some bad women we push for hatred of women."

Yes. Thats the inspiration from Feminism.

Feminists and Sex-Starved chauvinists disguised as Libertarians push for hatred against all men because of some bad men.

Its just a Sine Wave.

For positive charge, there is also negative charge.

For North pole, there is also a south pole.

Till now only "Hatred against Males" was existing.
Now, "Hatred against Women" has also arrived.

Let Hatred against men go down by 5%, we will reduce hatred against women by 10% and then you all(including Media) can reduce hatred against men by another 10% and so on......

Let there be equal representation in Media (in Sansani, Crime Story) about crime against men by women and crime against women by men.

Till the time, Preetii Jaiins and Anjali Guptas are projected as "Heroins" in Media, things will remain where they are.

By the way, the more we bash up Media and journalists, the more they are arriving at our door steps. In whole of 2004, we begged, requested and pleaded to them and they used to tell us to get lost.

So, we have found simple methods to make "free speech" asshole pseudo-libertarians get fucked up.

i am a media student, and believe me, media has a big hand in screwing our country. The media in India is not as mature as it should be and it will obviously take time, but still, they screw up and screw us big time.

the way they smudge facts, viewpoints, angles, and an entire bloody situation to suit their needs and to bring in the monies is fucking crazy.

they purposely throw up those viewpoint leaders who are controversial, biased and hateful. and then ppl end up listening to such fucks. DAMN

Sumanth, about that Preetii Jain lady, dont even kid urself.

I agree she aint no angle, but think about it, she wanted work from a man who had more resources, more contacts and connections, more money than her. You actually think he didnt wrong her???? For gods sake, thats like tying a black cloth around ur eyes, yourself.

MUMBAI: A minor girl was gangraped by three youths living in her building at Marol in Andheri (east) while she was returning home from Ganpati celebrations.

The incident occurred on Wednesday morning--the same day as visarjan. Police said the 17-year-old was dragged to the building's terrace where the boys allegedly took turns to rape her.

When any one see the national sucide stastics and calculate it observe that

It states:

This 63: 37 ( Men vs women) is national statistics.

After marriage suicides: 70% of husabnds (45:25 men/women)

and patriarchical fools shout differently. Media/Movie
directors/producers are the worst patriarchic minded men in India.

sides,
ITS WRONG TO KILL, MAIM, HARASS, ANY MEMBER OF ANY COMMUNITY JUST COS SOMEONE ELSE FROM THAT COMMUNITY DID SOMETHING.
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This may be your view, but Indian socitey, LAW , Justice does not belive that.

They say it is a nobel work when a bad women done the crime and they deserve to get award.

So how do you expect a crime free society?

Criminal does not have any sex or caste, but our law maker does not understand that , as a result we never find a solution , where as the crime is incresed.

Now tell me :
Why Men sucide stastics hide?
Why crime against men never disclosed?
Why each and every case the all girls family openly demand money from husabnd family in case of any dispute in front of judge, in front of police , in front of media?
Why married men sucide rate is 2.5 times higher than married women?

See we molded in such a way that we can't see the truth and never ever try also.

As a result today we find domestic violence law instead of Domestic Harmoney law.
Do not know we want to promote domestic violence or domestic harmoney.

Neha , do not try to twist the fact as you said.

"Acc to them all women are liars and culprits for all the wrongs in the world."
Several time it had been asked to you reply what do you mean by a women?

You had never ever reply and your comment itself proves that the gender war is due to such foolish women , who wants to twist each and every fact to women harrasement , but they want punishment without any evidence..why such double standard.

Never forget , Ravan and Laxman both fighted for women , but they fight for different type of women. Here is the key.

Some group of people never ever allow the women like you to kill our mother/sister and daughter as a whole sale free lincence.

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Reporter,It's really sad. Only one questions from all the legal experts.

What causes the courts not to go for a lie detector tests or a narco analysis?

Why the courts don't want to know the truth? It's beyond my imagination to understand and digest this hard truth that the courts are not
willing to know the truth. What a great judiciary we have.
Real criminal move freely in the society and innocent people get the punishment in a framed case.

That may be the reason, President once asked , why all the hang to death punishment awarded against poor section of people?

By the reporter, it would had been better if you meet those victims , provided you are a real reporter and ask for a lie dector test at least.

Aaman this is not reapative , this as against the comment no 27 by your reporter , just recheck.

[deleted: that was a newspaper report- if you have a report link it]

Court Sentenced Balbir Singh to death in Indira Gandhi assassination case. The higher courts completely acquited him.

There is every possibility that a lot of poor innocent people are getting even convicted in Indian Legal system. They have simply no capability to apeal.

Nobody questions about these and the corruption in legal system because of archaic "laws against contempt".

So, no one criticises the legal system and media claims that it is the cleanest of all Govt organisations.

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Suicide Statistics (gender wise):

In 2004: Men vs Women 61% vs 39%

In 2005: Men vs Women 63% vs 37%

if extrapolated...

In 2010: Men vs Women 73% vs 27%

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The irony is that in every suicide of woman, man is implicated and feminists in media raise a hue and cry. But, in not even a single case of suicide of man (due to his wife), the female is not even arrested or charged and media represents it as a petty quarrel.

So, death of a man is cheap.

A man driven to suicide has no chance of getting any support of help from police, judiciary or society.

Some such desparate men can suddenly turn outwards on wife and murder her before killing themselves.

Till the time men lead emotionally and socially suppressed lives, crime against women will only increase.

All those who stop men from expressing are the ones who are responsible for this.

Sumanth

You generalize too much. If a wife of one family was burnt to death coz of dowry and a man from another family suicided- lets say coz he could not take the torture of his wife...... You see that as one case and justify it. If women raise a hue and cry about the dowry death, you call that death justified coz another man was led to suicide. How logical is that?

With that approach no one gets justice.

Why don't you see that as 2 individual cases and stop painting everyone with the same brush.

As per you dowry never exists, but it does. I have seen it. It happens everywhere and all the time.

The stats you provide have no base and no prudence. Even if you have a model to prove it , we all know how we can get our samples and reach our desired conclusions!!

So we are back to square 1. As per you all untimely burnt deaths of women are purely accidental and as per you again when a man dies/killed the wife is not implicated.

So the big question--What do we do?

Prive
While dowry may happen or not happen .In the community of maharashtrians I come from it does not happen. Yet False dowry cases yes it does happen .

And franky to be honest I have never seen a man demand money but I have seen women demand money from the husband directly infront of judges , police and even the media .

If demanding Money from Wife or her family is wrong so then is demanding money from husband is wrong.
i.e if dowry is wrong so is Sowry whether law realises it or not
Those who demand a diamond ring or goild necklace are worong

Finally I am surprised that people are having gritted teeth to admit that false dowry cases are occuring . That asking for money from a man is wrong . that joint custody and shared parenting is the right way

Dowry death allegations are throughly justified in minimum 45% of the cases as found by the klarnataka judiciary .

There is no increase in death rate of women after marriage .If the so called dowry death figure were right we should have have seen a 30% increase in death of women which does not exist

Lie detector test Hmm. So innocent folks of Desicritics

A husband undergoes lie detector test . Is found innocent in lie detector still the police have charged him of the crime of cauising sucide of his wife .

Anyone willing to verify this story .

To # 45

I too can say that you are having gritted teeth to admit that dowry cases are occuring ? Why?

So many woman are burnt to death! Why?

Dont argue for the sake of arguing. We all are masters in that in the internet world.

Just do not through tantrums Preeti, by quoting "so many". Tell me the figure and you will be surprised that men dying of marital(financial) disputes are twice than that of women(and not a single wife is every punished).
And again just shut up by disguising wives as women...women means sister's mothers also...you and your ilk try to draw sympathy by clubbing wives as women...where as wives are the single biggest cause of manufacturing troubles for mothers and sisters.

And for God sake do not keep on ranting the crap of burning again and again. Burning...Ha ha...as if burning is the only way a husband can get rid of wife...you and your ilks thrive "not on facts" but purely on sensation(media driven) created by the word burning... Just shut up Preeti...your illogical rant makes me feel more and more bitter about you...you are either not aware of devious plots wives play when trying to get rid of husbands...on thousands if not lacs...OR that you are a moron to realize the reality. Just try to be practical and look at what exists at grass root level...Come out of the media/politics driven world into the factual world in which we exist...

I think you can shut up...who was talking to you.

Preeti,

1) Please give us the exact statistics of women who are burnt to death. (please note, suicide by burning one's self is not included).

2) Please give us the exact statistics of suicides of men and women (when done using any method)?


Just ranting violently with "burnt women" rhetorics will lead to nothing. Give us the statistics of the number of women burnt by men or their family members.

Till you get the statistics, I think you can shut up.

In a country, where one can get a false warrent issued on its own "President" by paying a small bribe, there can not be a bigger fool than the one who thinks that someone or other is getting justice in its legal system.

Its a great miracle that this country is running with a completely dysfunctional judicial system.

Let the contempt of court laws go, one will watch real fun.

The bus drivers on Bangalore roads are better than the ......

[irrelevant rant]

Well you want stats here it is:

http://desicritics.org/author.php?author=Anil

I guess that should shut you up or comment moderation as # 52

Likewise when unsuccecsful men decide to suicide their wives must not be blamed :)

Do yo have any article or fact or link that says the President there was a false warrant. Please refresh our memories.

P(ree...)..
1) If all the atrocities by women ever husbands also get reported as crimes against women. in form of false 498A, what else does a person like Anil need to conclude from data.
2) The data is correct, but Anil's inference is totally biased and misleading....Also Anil miserably fails to report number of suicides by committed by men...
3) The data and Anil's version of its presentation does not take into account suicides committed by mothers who committed suicide fearing a false 498A. Those women dying are clubbed with wives dying to inflate figures and make things look cosy from wife's point of view and dreadful from society and woman's point of view.

4) Last there is currently no mechanism to report crimes committed by wives towards husband and his family...
The day this happens and men become aware of it you will see at least 1 crore female population behind bars..., because there are roughly 19 crores family...and I am certainly sure that 1 out of 20 women is as bad and corrupt(but projected as liberal and weak by patriarchal society) as ... .

Women like you are very clever and cunning to sit of sympathy provide by patriarchal society and hoax of fear and threat created by Media...

Aaman.... Reporter has been corrupting a stage meant for discussion with her abilities to collect news articles from every small paper and putting up here. She has made DC a newspaper website which with utter bias lists only a specific section of crimes happening in our society.
If you continue to allow this, there will be lot of people who will be polluting DC with unsolicited news article...We should discourage this practice of reporting news items as DC which is purely a stage for debate...

An aside...all the crimes mentioned by reporter are reported and alleged and not proven...Many of(about 80%) of them turn out to be fake reports in the court of law and even in remaining 20%...it if found that only half are genuine and others are crimes other than what were initially reported.

Have been editing irrelevant articles

An Assertion:

Comment 35 is a Times of India article.
Not some small newspaper as desparetely 'alleged' by the above commentator and even if it is so, so what. Everyone has a fair chance.

You are free to quote too

Even the original post has links to some newspaper.

Please refer to www.dictionary.com for the correct meaning of 'alleged'

Thank you

Check this...
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1793712,000600010001.htm
7 Suicides in last 24 hrs...M:F ratio 5: 2.

Amonng these. 3 males committed suicide because directly because of wives(suicide note) and 1 female because of husband(thankfully it was not mentioned as dowry dispute).
1 female was daughter(15 years). All but one, males were married.

There are no statistics(that I asked) in the Miniskirts article by Anil. I have got even latest statistics by National Crime Bureau.

So, I repeat again:

1) Please give us the exact statistics of women who are burnt to death. (please note, suicide by burning one's self is not included).

ie. Number or women per year=

2) Please give us the exact statistics of suicides of men and women (when done using any method)?

ie. Number of men per year =
Number of women per year=

Please type the statistics here so that everyone can see in above format.

Please put the numbers here. If you can not do that then stop saying that "so many women are burnt."

Editors of DC,

Edit comments 22 and 26.

Else the word "asshole" will be used more liberally here by others as well.

Its better to be an asshole than to lick Main Stream Media daily.

#22 and #26 both are ok

the comment policy says:

We will edit/delete spam comments, duplicate comments, unsupported accusations, personal attacks of any kind, and terms offensive to groups when used in a pejorative manner.

everyone should read the comments policy once in a while

Thanks temporal..
...for the refresher course :)

I guess we all should read and read carefully. One tends to overlook what they desire not to see or accept.

Thanks Temporal.

I will start loving Main Stream Media and some of the journalist assholes (from now onwards) who mislead the society by highlighting only crime against women and neglecting crimes against children, elders and men.

Preeti: Statistics on Bride Burning Please.

sure sumanth

and while at it read the rest of the comment policy too

will save you from asking questions later:)

Dear Sumanth

Do read the post again. They are all in there.
http://desicritics.org/author.php?author=Anil

One tends to overlook what they stubbornly desire not to see or accept.

And for Neglecting crimes against children : read this http://desicritics.org/2006/08/22/020401.php

And for Crimes against elders : read this http://desicritics.org/2006/03/21/015308.php

Against Men : If they have some psychosomatic problems they need to see a shrink or marraige problems then become a member of SIF. :)

There are men out there who are wonderful human beings --they need to take some inspiration from them to lead healthy lives.

Preeti Preeti
Where is your general knowledge of course there an arrest warrant againt president abdul kalam . This was issued by one of the gujarat courts .In the same arrest warrant was also for chief justice of that time .

The fall out of it was that the judge who issued the arrest warrant was dismissed .

As far as stats are concerned they are who , Nimhans .

If women drives an unsuccessful man to suicide she should be punished.. Lack of success is no reason to abuse

Are you reading? read carefuly. read between the lines. :)


See ...when links are produced of newspapers, they are called media frogs

When posts of DC authors are produced they are called Nimhans

I cant find genuine data from SIF sites now ... ;(

Therefore prior to all this I said in # 44. Stats can be rigged to reach a desired conclusion and proven too.

**** stands for love. No kidding...I meant it

Looks like Indian husband is wnning the game...he will keep posting the trash and finally the sc editors are tired of deleting his trash.

Indian Men should stop Marrying Indian Women! They need to stop doing anything for their Country who sponsers and becomes an accomplise in the Crime and Injustice done to Men! Indian Men should change their Nationality, cause their country cannot provide them justice.

Men Go Marry Foreign Ladies if you love your life and the rest of your Family.

Men change your Nationality!! If India cannot provide you Justice then why be its Citizen?

[edited - no personal attacks please]

HC convicts freed man for burning wife:

NEW DELHI: Overturning a 25-year-old judgment, the high court has convicted a man for burning his wife to death in 1983.

From a careful analysis of the material on record, we found that the trial court erred in rejecting the victim's statements made to the doctor, the investigating officer and the SDM, prior to her death,"observed the judges.

Justice is finally served

Pak girl raped for 'acquiring education'


ISLAMABAD: After Mukhtaran Mai, a case of Mumtaz

Mai has come to light in rural Pakistan, where women become victims of tribal warfare, family feuds or quite simply, male violence.

The News International on Saturday reported the case of one Mumtaz Mai and her daughter, Ghazala Shaheen Bathi, who were abducted, held in captivity and gang-raped for 12 days because daughter Ghazala dared to become educated.

Father gets 12 years' RI for raping daughter

A local court at Banai has sentenced a man to 12 years rigorous imprisonment for raping his own daughter.
Rajendra Panigrahi, sub-divisional Judicial Magistrate at Banai, convicted the man for committing the crime in village Saradhapur.

The above cases are the ones where the criminals are already convicted. They all got a fair trial.

Over the months I have read...give statistics etc, so here are some real cases.

No doubt that some mulish humanbeings who are spoilt sports will say that the judgement was biased etc. Let them.

Not only in our country but in our neighbouring country women have no rights at all. I pity them.

And so many women are being allowed to get scott free after drving their husbands sucide.
Look in the IPCs women have an exemption from being tried in many classes of case.

Preeti still please explain why you want to disagree with WHO sucide statistics ( use rate not absolute figures ) which conclusively proves that 23000 women are driving their husbands to sucide . ( after all the only difference between a married man and unmarried man is a wife ) . Your link does not explain .It only tries to claim that 40% of men facing 498a commit sucide as claim by SIf .SIF doe not claim that .All SIF syass that 498a is one of the ways byt which wifes drive these 23000 men to sucide

Many of the so called bride burnings are psycopathic women who burn their children first and then burn their children .How can we ever expect to have sympathy for women who burn their children.

May I intervene and say soemthing.

I dont know if these woman burning their children is a true story but if it is then its horrible. Even God will not forgive them. No.
Having said that the life of a human being should be more impt than going by genders.

But there are also many ruthless fathers who abandon their babies because they have birth defects. These fathers will burn in HELL. Their own child in one form or the other will get back at them. Even hell will be ashamed to have such ruthless coward greedy fathers.

Even whne supreme court of india had given the hang to death to three women, some reporter prefers to hide that.

Some women can go any extend to hide thier own crime and some reporters can go any extand to save thier skin.

Feminists back out:
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SIF took on Ground level Feminists in a seminar on Dowry Prohibition officers in Bangalore on Saturday at Judicial Academy.

The sessions were chaired by DIG(Police) and several judges of High Court.

SIF's flag flew high as the Feminists got snubbed for asking stupid questions.


SIF: Can dowry prohibition officer do a settlement by telling the husband to pay 20 lacs, 30 lacs?

Chair: The dowry prohibition officers must not do settlements. That is not their duty. They must not lower their dignity.


Feminist asks: Why men are allowed by courts to apply for divorce?

Chair: Madam, this is the fundamenal human rights of every citizen. We do not give someone divorce just on baseless ground. Evidences are necessay to get divorce and it takes time. Women are also allowed to apply for divorce.

Another Feminist asks: Men are getting anticipatory bail when a dowry case is filed? Why?

Chair: The anticipatory bails are given by a senior judge after evaluating all the arguments and evidences. That is the law.

Feminist: Dowry Prohibition officer must consult Women's Organisations.

SIF(Bharati):(Immediately) I urge the Dowry Prohibition officers to be Gender Neutral and they must consult both women's and Men's organisations.

Chair: Suggestion is accepted.

SIF: If a case is proven to be false, can section 211 of IPC be applied automatically to punish the people filing false cases?

Chair: If there are enough evidences of false cases, Section 211 against the false complainants will be allowed.

Bottomline:
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Men's organisations are no longer politically incorrect in Bangalore. Feminists will not have cake walks from now onwards.
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Where are those questions when some dumb SIF asked and he was told not once but twice not to ask individual case related questions?

Smart you never put that here? Coz you know DC critics make a critical analysis of it.

Also the power of feminists was to walk - out. Calk walk is it.

When a father is able to stop a child from being killed by petitioning to president

When a father unfortunately was not allowed to save a girl child from being aborted becuause fathers are given no legal rights to prevent foeticide which happens without their knowledge

When a Father stops a late term abortion inspite of knowing fully well the child will have birth defect and despite huge pressure from in-laws to abort

Dowry laws cases are threatened or filed becuase somewhere fundamental right to abort expected are felt to be violated

Here is the SUMMARY.

All buffoons in media and bureacracy/politicians are using statistics of "crime against women", which is 'cases filed at police station" under women harrassment (ipc 498a)

Women harrassment in India, IPC 498a is filed by a ORAL complaint from anyone from girl side. Complaint is NON-BAILABLE (like TADA/POTA/RAPE).
police actually have been looking for IPC 498a women to register cases against husbands, VERY mcuh BOOTY involved. Highest compared to any other cases can beef them money. This CASES/statistics are running largest social business in India, ever had about a decade back.

Now, to continue largest funds INDIA receiving from developed countries for welfare of women since last several decades, lies on showing women atrocities stats to such countries. SO, IPC 498A CONTINUES, SIMPLE COMPLAINT PUTS EVERYONE IN JAIL CONTINUES, NCW CAMPAIGN CONTINUES, MILLION($)- DONATIONS/FUNDS CONTINUES, CORRUPTION CONTINUES.

Student feminists & patriarchical men or common ppl who normally do not research/investigate into this social science critic in-depth, keep thinking "atrocities on women".

Any country with poor economic conditions certainly have atrocities on WEAK person regardless of women or men. so rape/molestation/abduction continues. BUT why they are 10% of all crime cases against women. why harrassment/dowry cases are 90% of criminal atrocities cases against women. Has any one thought about it? particularly the shortminded Indian MEDIA analysts. why atrocities against women is dangerous after only marriage (90%) and why not before marriage? Are elder ppl and husbands that dangerous people compared to molesters/rapists we have in society to attack women before marriage??

THIS IS THE GAME OF 498A "ORAL COMPLAINT"/POLICE-JUDICIARY-MUFTA. SAME GOES AS STATISTICS ON WHICH IDIOT POLITICIANS AND NON-SPECIALIST FOOLS ARE SHOUTING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION OF WOMEN ONLY AFTER MARRIAGE AND JOINING WITH NCW BLINDLY TO FURTHER DESIGN USELESS LAWS/TIME TO THE SOCIETY.

MITIGATION OF SPECIALISTS MINDS IS WHAT CAUSING INDIA A GREAT DEAL.

IPC 498A IS THE LARGEST BUSINESS WITH WHICH JUDICIARY, POLICE CAN MAKE PRIVATE/PERSONAL MONEY. ALSO THE LARGEST BUSINESS WHERE VENGENCE OF DEFENCE IS LEAST UPON THESE ELEMENTS BY VICTIM COMPARED TO KILLERS/RAPISTS/BURGLARS.

IPC 498A IS THE LARGEST EXPENDITURE OF TAXPAYERS INTO DUSTBIN.

ONE WHOEVER UNDERSTANDS THIS SOCIAL SCIENCE GAME KNOWS ABOUT WHAT THESE BASTARDS ARE PLAYING FOR THE CATASTOPHRE OF ONCE GREAT INDIA. UNDOUBTEDLY WE ARE HEADING TOWARDS FURTHER CATASTROPHE.

AS LONG AS SEX-STARVED INNOCENT MEN CAN'T APPLY HIS BRAIN, THIS SITUATION CONTINUES.

REGDS
SAMUDREY

Google murder: Anurag was jealous of wife’s success:

LUCKNOW: Divya Saxena alias Deepti Anurag had just started spreading her wings when her journey was cut short by her husband of five years, Anurag Johari. Anurag surfed Google to figure out a ‘safe’ method of killing her and then beat her to death with a baseball bat on November 18, 2005.

You are giving old stinking news. IF I give old news of cneturies of women rapred, killed this site will be flooded.

Give today's news if you have the guts.

For each old article you present I will give 20 articles of the same date as yours ...have th guts.

Instead....give answer to # 88.
6days left. What was that section you threatened and beat your chest on...yes 500. Have the guts. Let us see the power of SIF.
Or is SIF gas , only talk and no action? :(

I want to see a a legal paperwork of defamation suit on Mumbai Mirror within 6 days as challenged or we all will think SIF is only GAS.
BTW any article on mumbai mirrir does not stay for more than 24 hrs. But the author is still there. The journalist's name was Jigan Vora. Let us see.

You all were also going to ban Provoked -what happened? :(

Save Indian Farters....gosh it stinks. GAS . No guts.

Reporter... You are a woman sitting on pretty side of law, enjoying a huge alimony or may be a decent salary from those women organizations who employ you for spreading hatred and bias in society.You are witl all public sympathy of being weaker sex and abla naries....But for us
We have to fight against corruption, bias in judicial and political system, make aware the society about nuiances like you and the actual ground facts and have to earn on our own in this tough world not only to support families but to earn enough to pay alimonies to parasites like you...

You must be a sadist of the year to laugh at people who are trying to raise their voice against what is uncomprehensible even under the law of natural justice.

Likewise-same about you. Get work done and stop making infinite inferences about me again and again

Let me help summarise according to you for the last time and after that get going. :

1)I am a woman
2) I enjoy alimony
3)I speard hatred
4) I am saddist
5) and all the other bad things

NOw get work done . You have 6 days to produce the defamation letter that you all guys threatened about.

There are so many men, women, and childern, victims of an ill thought law 498A, langushing in Indian Jails. This law has been grossly misused. A mere statement of the victim's ex wife (in vengence, greed, jealously, blackmail) is enough to land the whole family into the hell. Women not alway a victim. You are probably out of the touch with reality.
Your statements in the article that "We have failed miserably as parents. Either we drive our children to suicide or murder. " speaks for yourself.[EDITED - UNWARRANTED SUPPOSITION AND PERSONAL ATTACK]

Sanjay...(after all that)..

....and your point was ..??