Serial Blasts Rock Delhi, India

this is sad and tragic...

these guys are twisted and mental cuckoos who take innoncent civilian lives to promote their dubious goals

hope they are caught, tried and publicly hung

The so-called "Indian Mujahedin" previously bombed us immediately after the parliamentary vote passing the 123 Deal. Quickly, Gujarat was raked up as the justification.

Now, after India gets the NSG Waiver, again the "Indian Mujahedin" has struck, and soon we'll again see Gujarat conveniently raked up as the reason.

And when the first foreign reactor from this deal gets built, we'll see another bombing from the "Indian Mujahedin" and of course Gujarat will again be cited as the reason.

Pak/ISI are obviously behind these bombings. If they have no qualms about orchestrating terror attacks against the US Army and NATO, then why would they hesitate in bombing Indians?

But every time such bombings occur, Gujarat will quickly be claimed as a convenient pretext. Pathetic.

You're partly right, but I don't believe anyone is linking these bad guys to the Gujarat incidents, although they might do so themselves.

#3

"but I don't believe anyone is linking these bad guys to the Gujarat incidents"

You didn't link them in your post. But can you vouch for everybody else?

Can you cite a specific example?

#2

Before Gujarat riot, it was babri demolition that was used to justify and rationalize terrorist events.

Riots used to be preferred modus operandi of Islamic fundies to advance their agenda, with tacit nexus with the secularists who exploited post-riot fallout to create win-win scenerio for both secularists and Islamic agenda. What has changed after Ayodhya and Gujarat episode is that riots no longer pay - so they have escalated their tactics to terrorism. Examine the pattern of secularist reaction after terrorist events.

1) Rush to terror victims with rice bowl.
2) use lips to condemn the terrorist event -
3) tout how people ignored the terrorist event as if nothing had happened. Promote apathy to terrorism and terrorists. This remain main fixation of secularists
4) Blame it on ISI, Pakistan and wash their hands off rigorous investigations that might lead to moslems in India
5) Blame it on Hindu fundamentalism, Gujarat, Ayodhya etc for provoking moslem anger and disharmony
6) Promote special programs to reward Moslems for terrorism - to wean them away from terrorism, of course, because poverty and economics are the root cause of terrorism.
7) Handcuff law enforcement agencies so they can not investigate effectively or go after soft-links or crackdown on supporting network
8) Repeat the cycle with each new terrorist event.

Aaman wrote:
"Can you cite a specific example?"

Only a few hours have passed since the blasts. Don't worry, the examples will show up very soon. Just as Gujarat was quickly raked up to justify the previous blasts, it's quite predictable that it will be cited to justify the latest ones, too. And the next set of blasts. And the next.

As I've said, Pak/ISI are launching such attacks each and every time we cross a nuclear milestone. But they won't say so, of course, and will instead rely upon their "secular" allies to make a Gujarat connection. No need for me to wait for the inevitable to happen before announcing it. We all know how the game is played.

What is Indian police doing??

Terrorists and Naxalites are roaming freely, when police is busy arresting 1,15,645 women in last 4 years and extorting money in police stations in the name of counselling couples. All this is happening under the blessings of Manmohan Singh, who holds world record for arresting of maximum number of women in 5 years.

Indian police today is not responsible for "Law and Order". Their only responsibility is to counsel warring couple and extort money from one party or other.

Can police make any money from terrorists or naxalites?

India is a fucked up terrorist state with a very strange sense of law and justice.

When in the middle of Bangalore, police are threatening and extorting money from innocents, one can imagine what they would have done in "Punjab, Gujarat and Kashmir".

No one wants to question the government for breakdown of policing system, judiciary and intelligence agencies.

Murderers get bail (even after confessing to murder in narco-analysis tests), terrorists roam freely. Yet, according to the autocratic Manmohan Singh, 1,15,645 women (arrested in dowry cases) are a danger to society.

Intelligence agencies have only one responsibility. To find out the poll prospects of ruling party and to "maro muska".

No one wants to question Govt. People look at NDTV and IBN journalists as if they are some supermen and superwomen who are saving them.


Its time for intellectuals to wake up and ask serious questions to Govt, use RTI and expose the holes in the entire system.

Intellectuals only want to talk and do not want to take any responsibility. They want to leave it to police and intelligence. The police is busy arresting women and the intelligence agency is serving politicians.

Then there are other intellectuals who preach,"religions are all about peace, only people are bad."

It's very easy to scapegoat police, and lay blame at their feet for everything. We can also blame them for not being able to catch bullets with their teeth. The problem is in the policies that have led us to this situation, in having allowed this terror to surround us. You don't wail about a problem after it has enveloped you. You're supposed to see the danger in advance, and act ahead of time, preventatively.

Its not the police or the terrorists or the media or the secularists. Its the people. As long as they vote such dumbfucks into power, they'll keep tasting their own blood. Who gives a damn! Let them reap it all... I'll just sit in my house, be safe and chill out.

I don't usually comment on Bollywood movies but I wonder if you have seen Dhaoka.

http://www.apunkachoice.com/scoop/bollywood/20070901-3.html

The movie seemed to justify terrorism. It portrayed the terrorists as acting out of some personal extreme injustice done to them by the Indian Government.

The female suicide bomber had been raped by Indian Police Officers after they killed her father. The other terrorist in the movie was her brother.

I am certainly not saying that people don't suffer such extreme personal injustices but I do believe that it doesn't really reflect the profile of most terrorists.

If the villains who did this bombing are caught I am almost positive that you would not find any extreme unjustice in their background. Sure they would feel some general sense of "unjustice" done to "their people" but as for something personal happening to them or a family member like in Dhoka, you most likely will not find that. That has been the case in Israel with the suicide bombers there. Usually there was no personal injustice done to them except for a more general sense of victimhood. It wasn't because the bomber was raped or father killed or child was killed, etc, etc.

What bothers me is as long as terrorists are falsely portrayed as victims as they were in this movie, Indians will not have the necessary focus needed to defeat this evil.

Sumanth:

You say it right.. but you argue from ONE side.. right?

Wait till a guy is arrested.. and you and many here will start claiming he is innocent.. and every Muslim and Activist organization will rush to his/her "rescue"!

When the law is set up.. like TADA.. the idiotic "peaceniks" go around agitating and throw the baby out of the bath tub! So, now there is NO law to even fucking try these jokers!

You know when you start repealing laws with no replacements in sight.. then people will be emboldened!

And guys, this is NOT just about terrorism! It is also about the economy! These are people who are also using IT and MNC connections to create and send their messages! Their aim is elsewhere!

There was an extensive new article in Rediff on how Dawood's gang has been merged with LeT by ISI... and what benefits the extended reach will provide ISI's aims.. this may be just the start!

Very soon the time is coming in Pakistan for the Army and ISI to create a pretext for getting through the back door. Never has the power to the Islamists looked so close. So as far as Pakistan's Islamic power center is concerned - the next one year is literally the "last mile"..

.. impending US strikes..
... increasing tensions with India
... mess and losing of confidence (whatever is left) by the politicians

the conditions are set.

Desh:

""When the law is set up.. like TADA.. the idiotic "peaceniks" go around agitating and throw the baby out of the bath tub!""

Quite a feat, considering the bath-water is still in the tub and the poor baby's bums are quite intact.

my stomach churns yet again. sick, is all i can muster. i am sure there will be no shortage of quick-fix analyses followed by quick-fix solutions. sad, tragic, sickening: "the horror, the horror".

ajaajdotcom,

don't forget that Bollywood is overwhelmingly sympathetic to terrorists

and yet when it comes to the issue of allowing foreign film-makers to compete in the Indian marketplace, the same Bollywood will immediately rally against allowing "foreign anti-national forces" into India! :P

How typical...

CS:

i am sure there will be no shortage of quick-fix analyses followed by quick-fix solutions.

Desh:

""this is what I was waiting for.. someone with a LONG TERM fix! Sir, can you please share it now? Why keep it under wraps?""

You may have to wait longer than you anticipated, since unlike you i do not have answers to everything. apart from the commonsensical, enforce the law, catch the bastards who did it and prevent this shit in the future. but exactly how and who, especially when politics is so deeply implicated: therein lies the rub.

some positive news in a time of horror:

http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=2657347&navname=General%20&moreurl=http://publication.samachar.com/hindustantimes/general/hindustantimes.php&homeurl=http://www.samachar.com

plus they seem to have figured out the chief suspect, some abdul subhan.

"enforce the law, catch the bastards who did it and prevent this shit in the future."

I wonder why no one thought of this solution. CS figured it out, but then he has a caveat

"but exactly how and who, especially when politics is so deeply implicated: therein lies the rub."

Does anyone has a quick fix on this latter problem? But CS does not like quick fix. Hey, why not try the solution he has suggested to begin with. Is'nt that interesting. It is an endless dance. No wonder terrorists are succeeding.

but exactly how and who, especially when politics is so deeply implicated: therein lies the rub

India - a tolerant nation that allows bums to come in and explode.

Morris:

""I wonder why no one thought of this solution. CS figured it out, but then he has a caveat""

If you notice, I did say that this was obvious, ie. commonsensical, so I do not claim credit for this blinding insight. this is what i wrote:

""apart from the commonsensical, enforce the law, catch the bastards who did it and prevent this shit in the future. but exactly how and who, especially when politics is so deeply implicated: therein lies the rub.""

The caveat is important since a lot of politicians are benefiting from such crap too. once again, a rather obvious point that need not be belaboured.

As for Desh's exhortation: ""Ok, lets try again.. socho.. socho.. kuch to bolo...""

OK, perhaps he wants me to endorse his magic formula of "elect Modi as PM" and then bask in instant utopia.

But "elect" is the keyword here: who will elect him and why (leave the instant utopia aside), ah, therein lies the rub.

perhaps some solutions, short or long-term or even instant-fixes, from morris and desh, might be forthcoming? please share your ideas with the readers.

as for political pressures of various kinds that allows this shit to propagate:

""NEW DELHI: Uttar Pradesh authorities stonewalled efforts to arrest three Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) operatives who are emerging as key suspects in Saturday's serial bombings in New Delhi, highly placed police sources have told The Hindu.""

http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=2659769&navname=General&moreurl=http://publication.samachar.com/thehindu/general/frontpage.php&homeurl=http://www.samachar.com/mostread.php

OK, perhaps he wants me to endorse his magic formula of "elect Modi as PM" and then bask in instant utopia.

Desh:

""I am waiting with bated breath.""

You can breathe because:

1. unlike last year, my sabbatical has come to an end and i must earn my keep like other honest folks like you. so back it is to quantum physics etc. etc.

2. There are no quick-fixes to complex problems. No magic-silver bullets. If that were the case, no problems would ever errupt and we would forever be living in a fairyland utopia.

3. Since I have said many times I don't possess the magic formula, there is little point in pressing me for something i claim not to possess. However, since you, morris, kerty etc. appear to be in the know as to "what should be done", perhaps you should co-author a piece and post it here. That would be a good start.

I just read this morning that between 2004 and 2007 almost 4000 people perished in India by terrists acts. That is more than the US suffered on 9/11. I do not believe that the US simply relied only on enforcing existing laws etc.. They adopted all sort of new measures. You may disagree with some of them but the result is quite clear.

India can choose to tough it out until terrorists get tired or get caught and punished with normal policing activities.

Morris

USA attacked whole of Afghanistan to smoke out few terrorists whose crime was proven in no court of laws. They didn't waive Miranda rights before dropping bombs on habitats suspected of harboring suspects whose suspicions were never proven.

USA summrily arrested and held 'suspects' without filing any charges for months and years at remote bases. Most of detainees never knew what they were arrested for and what were they suspected of. Most of them were held in military bases where no laws or constitutional protections could be applicable - because USA knew that handling terror network suspects within civilian framework would only subvert their constitutional system of justice and civil rights - so USA had to devise a special/parallel framework that was every bit draconian, barbaric, and undemocratic matching the exact ferocity of terrorists. That is how USA could put terrorists on the defensive and in retreat. It was when India used similar no-prisoners-taken high-handedness that Khalistani Terrorism was brought to its knees.

In USA, there has been much hue and cry about racial profiling because it goes against its spirit of civil rights - however, there was not a murmur of protest or even a fleeting debate about religious profiling of moslems in USA. The Moslems were made to register and over 100k moslems from Pakistan and Afghanistan were summarily deported without any charges or convictions, and it never made the evening news. No political party or media outlet chose to debate or politicize these anti-terrorist measures, and they were carried out without registering in a ripple in America. That is how USA went about showing its anti-terror resolve and accomplishing its mission.

In USA, in times of terrorist crisis, political parties and media put nation's interests above their own narrow interests - they value American lives. American media and political parties vie to build public and government's resolve to fight terrorism, not to give in to terrorist agenda, or to woo and appease sympathizers of terrorists. Is USA any less democratic than India?

In India, the first priority of secularists remain to break the resolve of people to fight terrorism. They would use the plight of victims and their relatives to make the case for giving into terrorist demands. They are so afraid that terrorist event would mobilize the resolve of people and state to fight terrorism, that their primary focus remain people maintaining calm and going about their business as if nothing has happened. And steadfastly protesting that state does not need any special laws to fight terrorism. And since terrorists are deemed innocent civilians until proven guilty, and most of the evidence can not stand the rigors of civilian court systems, they roam freely as honored civilians, rarely any of them being caught or convicted or executed. UPA's fight against terrorism is a big fraud on people of India. Only Maoists, naxalites, seperatists, missionaries, and jehadis roam freely in UPA raj, while aam adami live in mortal fear of their lives, if they are lucky enough to survive economic terrorism unleshed by UPA.

kerty

I have no qualms about what you said. I do think however that the US went a little too far. And India is doing absolutely nothing or so it seems. I am sure they can take equally effective steps without going that far in curtaling human rights.

Unfortunately politicians and even media in India seem to be very concerned about their appearance as seculars so that they bend over backwaed to give all the benefits of the doubt to minorities thereby indirectly making it easier for terrorists to do their work. This is a sick secularism. But if you don't know that you are sick then how can you recover? Politiacians can justify it because they can count on this votebank. But I do not understand the media. May be I am wrong about secularism and they are right. But I am not convinced yet.

#29

I agree that USA went little too far and India need not adopt exact same tactics. But India can learn from what has worked and what does not work and adept some of them to India's ground realities. ie How to build nation's resolve to fight terrorism, how to project nation's soft power and state power to tackle terrorism, how to create internal security/intelligence infra-structure, how to isolate terror network from national mainstream and constitutional protections, how to create special/parallel laws and enforcement apparatus to tackle terror network, how political parties and media become part of solution rather than part of problem etc

another approach that has not been tried would be to:

1. tag and gag all promoters of the western version of secularism.

2. aggressively promote only the indian version of secularism ie. "respect for all religions". this could be accomplished by installing mega-speakers on the major and minor intersections of all major and minor cities, towns and villages. these speakers should, at full volume, blare endlessly, all the kirtans, hymns, prayers and of course, patriotic songs, non-stop. disco floodlights should accompany the sound, to create this ultimate indian version of secularist jashan. all citizens should be deprived of ear-plugs or eye masks.

3. under these conditions, it is unlikely that terrorists will be able to carry out any of their bloody deeds.

I agree. But don't you think that the main hurdle to any of those measures you have suggested is their perverted sense of secularism. And I think the main stream media in India is also support the ruling alliance. It is very unlikely that anything will change in the forseeable future. They are unable to go above or trancend these religious differences. They are determined to maintain that delicate religious harmony at any cost. That is why I said that they will probably tough it out. So what is a few blasts here and there in a country of that size and population.

Morris:

""And I think the main stream media in India is also support the ruling alliance. It is very unlikely that anything will change in the forseeable future."'

the mainstream media should be streamed out. desicritics should be repealed and replaced by the "desh-bhagats" to be edited by desh and kerty. everything will be just fine then.

morris:

""And I think the main stream media in India is also support the ruling alliance."'

their support of the ruling alliance should be over-ruled. not a big deal. desh's blog drishtikone should be the only media allowed as it offers a one-stop, complete, fool-proof perspective on everything under the sun and the moon too. problem solved. kerty should be in-charge of an indian version of gitmo. you can can inject followers of monotheism with a special polytheistic gel (when they are not looking, of course). problem solved, dissolved.

Kerty:

""I agree that USA went little too far and India need not adopt exact same tactics.""

I disagree. Afghanistan is not that far in these days of supersonic travel. They went twice the distance, Vietnam, a few decades ago.

As for India adopting the same tactics, I agree. That would be too Eurocentric. Desh will eventually advise us on relevant, indigenous tactics.

Kerty:

""Only Maoists, naxalites, seperatists, missionaries, and jehadis roam freely in UPA raj, while aam adami live in mortal fear of their lives, if they are lucky enough to survive economic terrorism unleshed by UPA.""

And it gets infinitely worse when the mango season is over, as is the case now. The beleagured "aam" admi, is promptly deprived of mangoes too...sad

although a recent breakthrough in genomics might allow the "aam" admi to to become "amrood" admi during the guava season. however, as the guava is not an idigenuos, native plant, ie. it did not originate from the soil of our land but was transplanted from south america, i'm not sure if this project will do down well with the champions of pure indigeniety. but at least, it's an idea worth pursuing by the aam admi.

CS

#33 "the mainstream media should be streamed out. desicritics should be repealed and replaced by the "desh-bhagats" to be edited by desh and kerty. everything will be just fine then."

Is that a commonsense suggestion or nonsense suggestion? Both these senses must be very close to each other.

How does one repeal Desicritics - I was not aware we had reached the exalted status of gospel truth:)

Aman:

""I was not aware we had reached the exalted status of gospel truth:)""

In my register, yes! isn't that obvious? :)

morris:

"Is that a commonsense suggestion or nonsense suggestion? Both these senses must be very close to each other"

neither! it's assinine, childish sarcasm. i thought that was obvious commonsense

CS

Yes, of course. But I could,nt resist getting some extra mileage out of it.

Morris!

Good!!! Given the skyrocketing gas prices, extra mileage never hurt no one.

Aaman #3, #5

We didn't have to wait too long to have our congressmen link terrorism to Gujarat riots.

http://www.indiasnews.net/story/408288

Aaman #3 #5

We didn't have to wait too long to have our congressmen link terrorism to Gujarat riots.

http://www.indiasnews.net/story/408288