OPINION

India's Response To Terrorism - Are We Losing The War?

July 27, 2008
Abhinandan Mishra

The country again wakes to a morning that is laden with news of the increase in number of dead and injured in another set of bomb blasts. This time it was Ahmedabad and a day before it was Bangalore. Who knows by the time I conclude this write-up another blast could have 'rocked' the nation.

Since October 2005 when a bomb went off in the crowded Sarojini market of Delhi, just a day before Diwali in which more that 60 people died, 11 more such incidents have rattled India, the most deadly being the July 2006 serial blasts in Mumbai's trains in which over 200 people were killed. Not surprisingly, we cannot say that we have been able to solve the cases or even figure out the identity of the perpetrators. In most cases, the obvious answer that one gets from the investigative agencies is the SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India), the HuJI-B (Harkat-ul-Jihad-al Islami Bangladesh) or the HuM (Harkat-ul Mujahideen).

The country witnessed its first major strike in 1992 when the financial capital of India was rocked. It was said that the fundamentalist behind the Mumbai attacks were avenging the demolition of the Babri structure and the subsequent riots. Then also the think-tanks of this country talked of formulating counter-terrorism policies that would make such future strikes much harder.

In very simple terms, terrorism is violence, or the threat of violence, calculated to create an atmosphere of fear and alarm. Terrorist acts are intended to produce effects beyond the immediate, having long-term psychological repercussions on a particular victim audience. The fear created by terrorists may be intended to cause people to exaggerate the strengths of the terrorist and the importance of the cause, to provoke governmental overreaction, to discourage dissent, or simply to intimidate and thereby enforce compliance with their demands.

Terrorist actions are generally carried out in a way that will achieve maximum publicity. Unlike other criminal acts, terrorists often claim responsibility for their acts.

None of the two major political parties, the Congress or the BJP can escape blame when it comes to who stands tall on the criteria of which of the two countered terrorism efficiently.

When the BJP-led NDA was in power, the country saw two major terrorist strikes that will be forever embedded in our memory. The Hijacking of the aircraft IC-814 and the attack on the Indian Parliament which until then was considered impregnable and unthinkable.

The Indian Airlines flight, IC-814, carrying 178 passengers was hijacked on 24th December 1999 after it took off from Kathmandu. The aircraft landed at three different places (Amritsar, Lahore and Dubai) before it flew to Kandahar. No counter-hijacking action was taken while the aircraft was still in Indian airspace. In fact the pilot of the craft deliberately delayed the departure of IC-814 from the Amritsar airport and waited for more than half hour to give the Indian agencies a chance to mount a takeover. His wait was in vain. Later, the then national security adviser, Brajesh Mishra stated that while the plane was still in Amritsar he had given instructions to the security agencies to shoot at the tyres of the craft so as to make it immovable. He also very candidly admitted that his instructions were not heeded to; why? Even he doesn't know.

Brajesh Mishra at that time was no ordinary man or a bureaucrat. He was the national security adviser and the closest confidante of the Prime minister, even LK Advani who at that time was the Home Minister couldn't boast of sharing the same intimacy with Vajpayee when it came to Mishra. If he says that his instructions went ignored then we can well imagine the whole anti-terrorism machinery the country had at that time.

It can be termed as nothing but a diplomatic failure that the Vajpayee-led government was not able to take either Pakistan's or Saudi Arabia's assent for a commando-led operation to take control of the craft when it was still in their respective airspace. Surely a commando operation was more feasible in Pakistan or Dubai rather then Afghanistan as it was subsequently discovered.

The subsequent chain of incidents is well-known as the Indian government had to resort to a face-saving exercise and release 3 dreaded terrorists in return for the safe release of the passengers aboard the ill-fated aircraft.

The then foreign minister personally took the terrorist to Kandahar. The three were Maulana Masood Azhar, Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar and Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh.

After his release Maulana Azhar set up Jaish-e-Mohammad in early 2000 which is accused of the deadly attacks on Indian targets, including one on the parliament in Delhi in December 2001.Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar after his release renewed the activity of Al-Umar Mujahideen in Muzaffarabad, close to the LOC, in recruiting and training of young Muslims to the independence war in Indian occupied Kashmir.Zargar while in custody revealed his enormous hatred for Non-Muslims especially Jews, Hindus and Christians and once famously said "If you want to end these terror strikes in the world then either accept Islam or wipe out Islam" .

The last of the freed terrorist who was once a LSE attendee, Sheikh Omar Saeed was later arrested by Pakistani police on February 12, 2002, in Lahore for his involvement in the Pearl kidnapping and sentenced to death.

The whole IC 814 incident and the way in which it was handled is a terrible blotch on the BJP and India as a whole and is often used as an example of "how not to deal with hijack situations".

Though the terrorist strike on the Indian Parliament was thwarted by the individual bravery of the sentinels, yet it pointed out the glaring deficiencies in the overall security setup of the seat of democracy and the weakness and failure of the intelligence gathering mechanism of the country. It was not the first time that the intelligence agency had failed us. Kargil was happening right below our noses and we were in deep slumber.

Since then the terrorist strikes have increased at an alarming level and on an average a major terror strike is being carried out almost every 3-4 months.

Although the security agencies have been successful in busting quite a few modules, the most recent being the SIMI module which was taken out in Indore which led to the arrest of scores of SIMI operatives including the arrest of SIMI chief Safdar Nagori and the discovery of many nefarious designs, yet terror has no sign of abating.

Terrorists too are evolving and now have taken a liking for soft targets and are shying away more and more from hard targets like military bases. Soft Targets are relatively unguarded or difficult to protect from terrorists, and therefore yield a higher probability for a successful attack. The recent blasts in the markets of Bangalore, Ahmedabad, Jaipur, and Delhi confirm this shift.

Similarly, they have also adopted the serial bombing method which are more "productive" in terms of the number of deaths and have a more deep impact psychologically. Also, since the serial bombings do not require huge amounts of explosives at a single place, they stand a much better chance of being undiscovered, hence causing maximum damage.

After every such strike, the political establishment wakes up and the President, the Prime Minister and the various political parties issue statements of condemnation. The Home Minister issues stern warnings that terrorism would not be tolerated and that the terrorists involved in the latest attacks would be brought to book. Ministers then visit the hospitals in the city where the terrorist attack has taken place to show their sympathy. Then they move on to business as usual.

Nothing concrete is done, some knee-jerk reactions at the state level; transfer of officials is the standard statutory method to mollify the public sentiments.

The country earlier had stringent POTA laws. The Prevention of Terror Activities Act (POTA) might not have been successful in deterring the hardcore terrorists but it had the desired effect on those minds that were still at the stage where they could be brought back in to the social mainstream. It deterred the gullible minds from taking the path that was both detrimental to them as well as the country.

But the law was revoked after the Congress came to power. In fact the Congress in its election manifesto had said that it would revoke POTA if it came to power. It said that POTA was a draconian law and was aimed against the minorities. There might indeed have been cases of police excesses under the law but it should not have been done away without an alternative legal tool.

The minority appeasement policy that is followed by political parties in general and the Congress party in particular has not helped either. A Former police commissioner of Mumbai said that the state minorities commission, civil rights activists and mohalla committee workers had cautioned the police against conducting combing operations, random checks and making preventive arrests. Time and again intelligence agencies have expressed helplessness in wake of political interference that has hampered the agencies from effectively investigating the incidents

The failure of the implementation of the findings of The Justice Srikrishna Commission report after the Mumbai riots acts like fuel to fire. It indicted 31 police personnel (from officers to constables) for abetting the rioters. But no action has been taken against the bigger leaders that have been named in the report.

The politicians play their game of linking the minorities to the terror strikes. They stand on the dais and scream of 'stopping the state from alienating the minorities', thereby giving the perpetrators an identity based on religion.

States like Maharashtra have their own set of stringent anti-terror laws. The MCOCA (Maharashtra Control of Organized Crime Act) has been termed draconian by some rights activists but they conveniently forget that it's this draconian law that has curbed the terror incidents in the state. Similar anti-terror laws passed by the Gujarat and Maharashtra are lying with the president office for the past 4 years for the necessary assent. This speaks volumes about the Centre's attitude on its mindset to tackle terrorism.

Terror strikes can never be completely eliminated, but they can be minimized to a negligible level. Effective steps are the need of the hour. A closer and increased co-ordination between the Center and the State on measures to curb terrorism is needed. Recently the Central Government had issued a high alert warning to all the states asking them to step up their vigil, but it seems that either they were not taken seriously or were completely ignored. Also it would be more effective if the special Anti Terrorist squads (ATS) that are present in most of the states work in tandem.

In the long run, the political establishment should think of forming a special agency that would specifically deal with terrorism, something on the lines of the IB or the Vigilance Agency, both of which have specific responsibilities. The agency should be headed by a senior-ranked IPS officer and should be directly under the PMO so as to reduce political hindrance and interference. This will help in fixing responsibility and channeling of concentrated resources and efforts in the right direction so as to curb terrorism.

The political will to weed out terrorism is the foremost requirement. If that is not present then even the best of counter–terrorism measures will be rendered ineffective. Stress should be laid on intelligence-based policing. Due importance has not been given to the intelligence branch and in most states it is used by the political parties to gauge the mood of the voters and the strengths and the weaknesses of their rivals.

On the morning of the 22nd of July when the confidence motion was to take place, the CBI chief gave a courtesy call to the Prime Minister's residence. It is anybody's guess what the nature of the courtesy call was.

If such terror strikes are not curbed then the hitherto sporadic demands for a state-supported attack into foreign territories and into Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) to destroy the terrorist camps will gain more recognition and appreciation and then the situation may get trickier for the government

A lot of funding is required to support intelligence-gathering activities which unfortunately is not happening in this country. Similarly, sensitization of people and greater awareness on sustained basis in the battle against terrorism will pay a great dividend as the terrorists work while staying between us. Also religion and fanaticism should be looked through two very different perspectives, they should not be mixed for anyone's convenience.

Finally, our resolve to spring back to life after every such attack is the most effective method that can be undertaken by an ordinary citizen to combat the evil designs of these terrorists.

A law graduate from NLIU, Bhopal.Worked for 2 years as a journalist in media organizations like Qatar Tribune, PTI and UNI. Now more of just 'a writer' rather than a 'paid' writer.
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#1
Sanjay
July 27, 2008
03:52 PM

I think that suppression of frank and open commentary on the terrorism issue means that we're losing the war. Sites like this one are certainly helping us lose.

#2
Prasun
July 27, 2008
04:37 PM

Sanjay,you could not be more right.The admins of this site lile SS.commonsense are all self hating commies..They do not have courage to publlish politically incorrect opinions in this site.Jehadi Irfan is a favourite for them

#3
Ruvy
July 27, 2008
07:53 PM

It is painful to see how much in common Israel and India have when looking at how the governments of the two countries (both known as GOI) handle - or more to the point, refuse to handle - terror.

#4
commonsense
July 27, 2008
10:05 PM

not being "politically correct" is apparently a license for virulent racism and hatred. sanjay and prasun, if you hate this site so much, please don't bother hanging around. i am sure you can finds birds of a feather...

#5
commonsense
July 27, 2008
10:07 PM

Troll-R:

"It is painful to see how much in common....""

Not quite as painful as this painful blatheing boilerplate

#6
commonsense
July 27, 2008
10:30 PM

Sanjay:

""I think that suppression of frank and open commentary on the terrorism issue means that we're losing the war. Sites like this one are certainly helping us lose.""

I think?? You forgot to blame global warming, the disappearence of vultures in India and the lack of consumers of gobar gas on "sites like this". But then, why would losers need sites like DC as an excuse for losing?

#7
Morris
July 27, 2008
10:33 PM

Prithviraj's descendents are very forgiving of enemies. So what if we have a few blasts here and a few blasts there. Our heritage of forgiveness and not appropriately going after enemies should be maintained. Congress Party is very proud of our heritage and they have support of the media and the people. Secularism, indian style.

#8
commonsense
July 27, 2008
10:49 PM

Morris,

I assume you do not support lynch mobs, but perhaps I am wrong? Hope not!

#9
Chandra
July 28, 2008
12:20 AM


It is simply impossible to do anything abput this unless all of us Indians are a little more interested in our surroundings than cricket and our families. Blaming the Govt for everything is really silly. What are we expecting? Govt will have a cop and video camera every 2 metres? Or are we expecting our poorly talented intelligence services to pre-empt such attacks.
Unless we look around and be aware, these attacks cannot be prevented. On top of it we can easily assume that the perperators look very much like most of us.

#10
Ledzius
July 28, 2008
02:15 AM

Chandra - "Or are we expecting our poorly talented intelligence services to pre-empt such attacks. "

Isn't it the duty of the govt to change the "poorly talented" part?

I'm afraid our central govt has done little in this regard. Electronic surveillance technology has improved dramatically, and it should be possible to electronically monitor madrasas and all known SIMI hangouts. I am pretty sure Israel does this. Plus I am wondering how much effort the intelligence agencies have put in to infiltrate these outfits. And once convicted of terrorism, the perpetrators should promptly be hanged. Delaying would only invite more bombings and hostage takings (as in the most recent Ahmedabad blasts). Witness how China executed Ujimamadi Abbas within a year of conviction. In contrast, Azfal is still alive after more than 5 years.

The first step is to bring POTA back. In fact, a fair amount of extra judicial killings is probably needed, and this is the only way Sikh terrorism got taken care of. We have a good precedent here.

#11
Sanjay
July 28, 2008
03:59 AM

It's not enough to bring POTA/TADA back. It's necessary, but not sufficient. The Pakistani threat has to be defeated. They're obviously going to provide professional expertise to anyone who wants to set off blasts in India. These blasts were not done by mere amateurs with a grievance against society. They were carried out by professional killers, with professional training in explosives. These blasts were organized by ISI, with any amount of connivance from Taliban and AlQaeda.

#12
Sanjay
July 28, 2008
04:07 AM

commonsense, I find your title to be pretentiously opposite to what you stand for. No wonder you adopted that name as a subterfuge.

Yes, I understand that you don't want to countenance the views of anyone who disagrees with you. That's glaringly obvious, and it's also obviously the goal of this site. And that's why I still show up here.

We're losing the war on terrorism, because our mentally incompetent self-appointed "moral betters" on the Left are trying to suppress frank criticism of the things which are causing terrorism. The Left can't bear to see their precious sacred cows gored, and so they'll stop at nothing to protect them by slandering and/or censoring others.

#13
Vinod Sharma
URL
July 28, 2008
04:56 AM

Terrorist attacks will continue to happen; that is the nature of the game. But, it is the almost total lack of response of India's vast bureaucratic machinery and political leadership to make systemic changes necessary to fight and win the war against terror which is perhaps more dangerous for the country than the visible attacks by those who say they are our enemies.

#14
Sanjay
July 28, 2008
04:58 AM

Here's how to deal with the threat from Pakistan:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/28pak1.htm

Indians and Afghanis must make it clear to the American sugar-daddy that they must pressure Pakistan to put ISI under civilian oversight. If Pakistan is to have a viable govt and credible interaction with its neighbors and the international community, then it can't have this state-within-a-state that is the InterServices Intelligence.

Some claim that Pakistan cannot and must not be isolated internationally, although I'd dispute that. What is clearly beyond dispute however, is that ISI can indeed be isolated. And that is exactly what must be done. If Pakistan's new civilian govt claims to be legitimate, democratic and accountable to the people, then it must make the ISI accountable to them too, by placing it under civilian oversight.

We need to get our outspoken Afghani friend Hamid Karzai to loudly call for this, and we also need to get Altaf Hussein of MQM to call for this as well. Certainly, there are plenty of voices within Pak who would also like to see ISI brought under civilian control.

#15
Ledzius
July 28, 2008
05:15 AM

I agree, the ISI is nothing short of a terrorist organisation, and that too a state sponsored one. How ironical that this state is supposed to be an ally of the US in the "fight against terrorism". I thought that the Indian govt was bad, but the US's Pak policy seems to be absolutely insane in this regard.

#16
Chandra
July 28, 2008
08:04 AM

Ledzius: Isn't it the duty of the govt to change the "poorly talented" part?


Chandra: Yes it can if million highly skilled people did not leave the country during the last 10 years. It is not that we have an abundance of skilled manpower in our country

#17
Chandra
July 28, 2008
08:06 AM


I donot understand this, how do we know that the Paks are involved? and if indeed they are, why dont we do the same to them?

My view is that these bombings are linked to Elections in India

#18
commonsense
July 28, 2008
09:43 AM

Sanjay:

""We're losing the war on terrorism, because our mentally incompetent self-appointed "moral betters" on the Left are trying to suppress frank criticism of the things which are causing terrorism.""

Labels like "the Left" are the refuge for those who cannot bear to listen to other views. For you apparently, anybody who does not agree with you is on "the Left". A lazy approach to making sense of the world for sure.

#19
commonsense
July 28, 2008
09:47 AM

Ledzius:

""In fact, a fair amount of extra judicial killings is probably needed, and this is the only way Sikh terrorism got taken care of. We have a good precedent here.""

The sikh issue died down after the congress central govt. lost interest in using that issue to further its own political ambitions, not because of extra-judicial killings. The whole punjab issue was mainly political, fuelled no doubt by some real terrorists.

I am truly shocked that a sane educated person is advocating "extra-judicial killings".

#20
AJ
July 28, 2008
10:59 AM

seeing the number of terror strikes increasing across india...it seems tht govt is sleepin..
everynw n then blasts hapn central govt blames it on d state govt...n the old blame game continues...
innocent ppl die...its true tht govt cant check regualrily..but they r not even doing wat they can do...just after d blasts security is beefed up..n after 2-3 weeks its back to square one..
no security anywhr
its high time tht ppl of india n govt wake up...

#21
Morris
July 28, 2008
06:52 PM

CS
Of course I do not support the lynch mob. I was referring to the softening of the policy with respect to crack down on terrorism. And I read on the blog some where here that they cannot even punish a convicted terrorist. Hey, is'nt that what Prithviraj did.

#22
kerty
July 28, 2008
07:41 PM

Very insightful Interview with Home Minister of Gujarat.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/28inter.htm

#23
kerty
July 28, 2008
09:09 PM

Terrorism is an uneven war, without level playing field, as it creates distinct advantages in favor of terrorists.

1) Terrorists can use civilian liberties to create links, and prepare for terrorist events without raising anybody's suspecion

2) Terorrists can execute their plans at a time and place of their choosing. They can create an element of surprise any time and any place they wish

3) Constitutional system of liberties, rights and due process can be used by Terrorists to their advantage - because, until they commit the actual terrorist act, they can not be indicted in any court of laws and no police can hold them in their custody for mere suspicion. Civil society demands that person be deemed innocent until proven guilty and relies on strict parameters of evidence and testimony to prove guilt. But when it comes to dealing with terrorists, one has to turn the civilian legal jurisprudence upside down - that the person is a terror suspect until proven otherwise, and even a light evidence and testimony are enough to place a person as a terror suspect. Unless two parallel mechanisms are created to handle civilians and terror suspects by two separate systems, terrorists will get to enjoy the benefits of innocent civilians and gain upper-hand in pre-empting any pre-emptive measure aimed at detecting and fighting terrorism. USA remained terror-free after 9/11 because it created separate mechanism to deal with terror suspects, and at certain places(airports, government offices etc), treated all civilians as suspects and made them go thru security measures.

So we know that terrorists will always have huge advantage over law enforcement agencies. They can use element of surprise that can catch everybody unprepared. They can also cite litany of grievances and excuses to justify their cause. Thus, terrorists will always have ability to strike at will in a free country. Democratic Nation can not take away terrorist'S 'ABILITY' to strike. Nation has to take away terrorist's 'WILL' to strike. Nation has to break the Terrorist's will.

How a nation can break the WILL of terrorists? By treating them as innocent civilians needing constitutional protections? By treating them as votebanks needing wooding and bidding by political parties? By treating them as disadvantaged minorities needing preferential treatment in resources? By treating them synomymous as a particular community, and thus any attack on terrorists implies attack on whole group/community? None of these can break the will of terrorists. It would create soft state that breed terrorism.

In Kashmir, we have army camped there for decades. Yet, terrorism happens there. Does that mean we should remove the army from Kashmir because army has failed to curb terrorism, and in some instances, army might have inadvertantly killed few innocent civilians as colateral damage. One can make the strong argument that army has failed to stop terrorism, and therefore it would be ok to remove it from Kashmir as demanded by many Kashmiri militants. Army's presence represents the WILL of India, wheather it is effective or not is immaterial - it makes a bold statement that India will now cow down to terrorists and that terrorists will pay high price for fighting India . Sadly, such resolve is missing from India led by UPA.

Thanks to Congress, terrorists have broken the will of India to fight terrorism. I should not blame congress alone. The blame rests with Indian media as well. In the aftermath of terrorist events, the media focus remains limited to building sympathy and pity for victims, heroics of rescue and aid, asking people to go back to their normal life as if nothing has happened, exhorting people to remain calm and not vent anger or backlash against any community - it sounds more like damage control on behalf of terrorists . Sadly missing in the equation is media's role to build people's resolve and will to fight terrorism and demand pre-emtive measures from government. In the aftermath, much is demanded from people, but not anything from government, and practically nothing from politicians - except crocodile tears, rhetorical condemnation, ceremonial visits, token pittance thrown at victims and empty promises to catch the culprits who never get caught or punished, because that gets politicized as targeting a whole community. Did POTA put millions of minorites in Jail? May be few hundreds or thousands - than why did whole community took offense at slapping POTA at handful of bad elements among them? Yet, these are the grounds used to thwart security measures that can create the will of nation to break the will of terrorism. India does not have to resign to such sorry fate. All India has to do is to dump congress.

#24
Morris
July 28, 2008
10:07 PM

"All India has to do is to dump congress."
Very unlikely. Hindus have have a very proud tradition of treating thier guests with special favour and a lot of affection. The Congress is selling the concept that in hindu majority India minorities should be treated as guests. Just look at the laws of the land. The media and the people are buying this concept. Pseudo secularists are very happy too. Also minorities love it. Why not? Is'nt it nice to be treated as guests for ever and ever. The congress has a solid vote bank. Hindus are keeping their proud tadition. All are happy. Yes, there is a need to appeal for calm and normal life after a blast here and a blast there. And all concerned are doing that. There is not a one good reason for a change. Am I missing something?

#25
commonsense
July 28, 2008
11:31 PM

Kerty:

""Civil society demands that person be deemed innocent until proven guilty and relies on strict parameters of evidence and testimony to prove guilt. But when it comes to dealing with terrorists, one has to turn the civilian legal jurisprudence upside down - that the person is a terror suspect until proven otherwise, and even a light evidence and testimony are enough to place a person as a terror suspect.""

Chutiapa never goes out of style.

#26
anrosh
URL
July 29, 2008
12:58 AM

are we losing the war ?? we loss the battle when politicians play the game of "politics" and pay the life of a common man as the prize. They sit in plush A/c rooms and laugh at what is going and enjoy their whisky. They definitely know. The low down will be over when the people trample over them! And one day it should, otherwise the democracy will be trampled and autocracy will be the ruler. So who is it going to be .. the plungery of politicians and associated friends like the media or the rise of the people demanding justice and answers like the salt satyagraha of gandhi.

#27
Ledzius
July 29, 2008
03:14 AM

It is indeed unfortunate that the civilised world has to still deal with this headache called Islam some 1500 years after its creation. In its plain form, it is as evil as Nazism or Pol Potism, calling for the complete subjugation of the body as well as the mind (the name "Islam" itself means this), and also advocating violence. While both Nazism and Pol Potism were quickly consigned to history's dustbin, Islam has survived and indeed grown, thanks to its clever strategy of masquerading as an Abrahamic religion with high moral values. At best, it was a cult at the very beginning, the modern equivalent being the Aum Shironkyo of Japan. The sooner everyone (including Muslims) realise this, the better everyone in the world (including themselves) are off.

#28
Ledzius
July 29, 2008
03:47 AM

I have come across devout Hindus, who otherwise detest Islam, admire devout Muslims for doing their namaz with great fervour. Many a times, I've heard them say that their blind and unquestioning belief and complete submission are virtues to be emulated by all.

It is sad that this kind of blind belief is being considered a virtuous trait. I once had a cousin of mine tell me that it doesn't matter what the object of your belief is, what is more important is the belief itself, and that this belief alone can work miracles.

So, in spite of the havoc some Muslims wreak, there is a secret admiration amongst some Hindus for their fervour in their demented ideology (unfortunately).


#29
commonsense
July 29, 2008
10:13 AM

To Ledzius's chilling support for "extrajudicial killings"", I earlier wrote:

""I am truly shocked that a sane educated person is advocating "extra-judicial killings".""

And now to his comment #27, I have to write that I am truly shocked that I took him to be a "sane and educated" person.

#30
Man Singh
URL
July 29, 2008
10:56 AM

CS #4 "not being "politically correct" is apparently a license for virulent racism and hatred."

No it is not. Truth always helps no matter how bitter is it.

" sanjay and prasun, if you hate this site so much, please don't bother hanging around. i am sure you can finds birds of a feather..."

This is not argument, this is typical commie arrogance.

#31
Man Singh
URL
July 29, 2008
11:12 AM

Terrorism is war on India.
No need or POTA or any other law. Commie Naxalites , Jehadis and any other terrorists should be declared as enemies of India who are at proxy war againt the nation.

A combing operation is needed by Army and court martial and not civil courts are answer.

Remember terrorists are not simple ordinary criminal or murderers and hence civil judicial system is not applicable on them. They are murderers with a mission to destroy India, its civilisational values and way of life.

All India loving people should express themselves create an awareness among Indians to kick out sympathisers of terrorists out of power.
Locate them and expose them. They are hiding among artists, film stars, Journalists, bloggers and politicians.

Its is not that difficult in this age of internate. If five people in this site feel terrorists and their sympathisers need to be exposed and dealt with, they can follow a principal of each one -teach one and awareness will be spread in geometrical progression.

I am sure an awakened society can never be defeated by any enemy no matter how strong the enemy is. Vietnam is an example who virtually defeated the mightiest enemy on the earth.

India is fighting Jehadis for last 1300 years. Many wars have occured with these enemies of India. Some we won and some we lost. Some new enemies eneterd during this long war sometimes.

Jehadis and Communists are the biggest enemies of India today. Both are loyal to some foreign powers and helping these foreign powers to enslave us. This is the only reason why in all times of crisis communists provide intellctual support to jehadi crime and compaign to dilute of Indian anger towards jehaid criminals.

#32
Ledzius
July 29, 2008
11:26 AM

CS - "And now to his comment #27, I have to write that I am truly shocked that I took him to be a "sane and educated" person. "

Dude, no one, not me for certain, really cares about whether you are shocked or not.

Now, go back to the other thread and keep posting your assinine comments about nightmares.

#33
commonsense
July 29, 2008
11:42 AM

Led,

I know; given your views, what you just wrote is but commonsense. and what i wrote is to save others, not you, from assinine nightmares and daydreams.

"educated" = not as in a collector of degrees.

(plus, if you didn't really care, you would just ignore my comment, wouldn't you?)

and now if you will excuse me, i will go back to my own private assinine nightmares.

#34
commonsense
July 29, 2008
11:44 AM

Led,

I know; given your views, what you just wrote is but commonsense. and what i wrote is to save others, not you, from assinine nightmares and daydreams.

"educated" = not as in a collector of degrees.

(plus, if you didn't really care, you would just ignore my comment, wouldn't you?)

and now if you will excuse me, i will go back to my own private assinine nightmares.

#35
commonsense
July 29, 2008
11:46 AM

Man Singh #31 is another engineer of boilerplates.

Boilerplate - In information technology, a boilerplate is a unit of writing that can be reused over and over without change. By extension, the idea is sometimes applied to reusable programming as in "boilerplate code." The term derives from steel manufacturing, where boilerplate is steel rolled into large plates for use in steam boilers.

#36
Man Singh
URL
July 30, 2008
12:34 PM

CS #35 nobody is asking who's who here?

Please come up with realistic ideas how to deal with menance of Jehadi terror India is suffering from since 713 AD ir invasion of Mohammed Bin Qassim along with communist(naxal) terror of recent origin.

why are you making a monkey of yourself by writing definitions here. Are you exhausted with all ideas?

I wonder why DC editors are silent now when `personal attacks' has become the only motive for some of the respondents here.

#37
commonsense
July 30, 2008
12:43 PM

Man Singh:

""CS, Please come up with realistic ideas how to deal with menance of Jehadi terror India is suffering from since 713 AD ir invasion of Mohammed Bin Qassim along with communist(naxal) terror of recent origin""

OK!

1. Invite all of them to a feast, and feed them some halva sohan laced with diahhorea inducing seeds. They will be incabable of any further shit with your motherland, busy as they will be with the real shit.

2. Collate all the posts you have contributed so far on DC. Add Ruvy's posts and Gill's too, for that extra punch. Herd them jecommies together. Not difficult since they are in a numerical minority. Force them to read everything that you and your friends have written. They will be tranformed.

3. Herd all of them jecommies in a camp. Make them read all of the posts that I have contributed. They will be laughing hysterically.

As for your last question:

""why are you making a monkey of yourself""

Why not? What do you have against monkey? Why must you insult them by comparing them to me?? Have you taken leave of plain commonsense now?

#38
Rohan
July 30, 2008
04:08 PM

If the Central Govt. of India is useless against the terrorists, it's high time everyone stopped paying taxes so the politicians can afford Z class security, stand behind well trained Black Cat commandos with fancy weapons paid for by the Indian public and "condemn violence and appeal for peace and calm" from the unsecure average citizens after the people have been brutalised, repeatedly. It is unfair to say the least to expect such divine forgiveness from people when you yourself are not in the same position and hide behind commandos. That tax money would be better utilised buying guns for oneself by the public and they can exact their own justice. It's easy to be Gandhian when you are a national leader with security cover rather than a commoner like the Hindus caught behind enemy lines during the partition. Gandhi would ask them to quietly walk to their slaughter so he could satisfy his "Ahimsa" ego!

#39
commonsense
July 30, 2008
04:19 PM

Man Singh:

""CS, Please come up with realistic ideas how to deal with menance of Jehadi terror India is suffering from..."

OK, Man, one more attempt. After a global competition for solutions to the problem of terrorism, I am happy to announce that we have a winner. And happier to announce that you would agree with the solution!!

Top prize for the most "realistic solution" goes to Ledzius!!! (drumroll and hyterical clapping!!)

And his number one "realistic solution" to this problem is:

Ledzius:

""In fact, a fair amount of extra judicial killings is probably needed, and this is the only way Sikh terrorism got taken care of. We have a good precedent here.""

Congratulations to all who sent in their winning entries. Tough luck to those who were naive enough to talk of building bridges instead of dams.

#40
Man Singh
URL
July 30, 2008
04:42 PM

[not relevant]

#41
Rohan
July 30, 2008
04:51 PM

If the Govt. of India advocates Gandhian ways so much, the Indian people should give this govt exactly that! A country wide Non-cooperation movement. Let all skilled professionals call a Day off work, just one day but coordinated with everyone and let the economy stagnate. The skilled population is mostly Hindu. Let them issue an ultimatum to this Govt to get serious about tackling Islamists and stop playing their votebank divisive politics. They will come in line very soon when they realise that the very people who make them who they are can break them too. They cannot force people to work.

#42
Man Singh
URL
July 30, 2008
05:03 PM

Rohan # 41

Nice idea. Pretty fresh and out of Box.

Yes youth of India has to do something to challenge these enemies of humanity.

a day's off as protest is a good start.

#43
blokesablogin
July 31, 2008
03:59 AM

I don't think we are losing it exactly- we lost it in 1947 when the Kashmir question went unresolved. It is time for India to just take a firm stand on this matter and be rid of it once and for all. Either we say enough is enough and get Kashmir back or be the peaceworker that we project ourselves to be and just deliver Kashmir to Pakistan. Then if there are blasts, we know they were not because of this reason!

#44
commonsense
July 31, 2008
10:07 AM

MS:

""a day's off as protest is a good start.""

maybe a day and a half actually. please don't forget to set aside at least a few hours for burning the buses and looting public as well as private property. otherwise, what's so fun about a protest?

#45
Man Singh
URL
July 31, 2008
02:15 PM

CS

Dynamism is always better then remaining idle.

Only those will oppose action againtb terrorists who associate with terrorists dierctly or indirectly.

I am surprised why you get nervous the moment anybody talks about any action to protest terror attacks?

If I call to beat them back , you get nervous.
If Rohan proposed even a day off to create awareness among masses , you get loose motion?

Why do you care so much for terrorists CS?

care just 0.1% of that to your motherland, terrorists will run away immdeiately. They are able to attack only due to their local supporters and helpers.

[Edited]

#46
commonsense
July 31, 2008
04:34 PM

MS:CS

""Dynamism is always better then remaining idle.""

So you'd rather that terrorist be dynamic with their dynamite? I'd prefer them to remain idle, unemployed, even non-existent.


""I am surprised why you get nervous the moment anybody talks about any action to protest terror attacks?""

Perhaps I need to grow a spine....one day...


""If I call to beat them back , you get nervous.
If Rohan proposed even a day off to create awareness among masses , you get loose motion?""

That's not true. I went one step ahead and suggested a day and half of protests. Please don't malign me as I have no reputation worthy of protection. You are wasting your time....could be fighting dacoits.


""care just 0.1% of that to your motherland, terrorists will run away immdeiately. They are able to attack only due to their local supporters and helpers.""

Very interesting. I tried it out in the privacy of my own home, and yes, they did run away immediately. Do have to continue carrying 0.1% everyday or is it just on the weekends?

#47
Rohan
July 31, 2008
07:37 PM

CS you should change your name to Court Jester since you are not entirely useless and do provide some comic relief at times, though you donot have any constructive contributions. All i've seen from you is deconstructing anothers comment and but not a rebuttal only evasive humour.

#48
commonsense
July 31, 2008
08:37 PM

Rohan,

Thanks for the suggestion. I have a feeling, but not entirely sure about this at this point of time, that your kind suggestion may not work.

Court Jester = CJ
Commonsense = CS

Perhaps in my next life? Thanks, though, for your thoughtful thought. On second thought though, since you are big on permanent identities, and I don't agree, I think I will continue with CS, at least for a while. Hope you don't mind. Don't take it personally.

#49
commonsense
July 31, 2008
09:12 PM

Rohan:

""CS you should change your name to Court Jester since you are not entirely useless and do provide some comic relief at times""

Rohan, in all seriousness, I really have a very low opinion of your sense of humour if you really get any comic relief from my silly posts. Your humour department is probably in need of major repairs.

#50
Rohan
August 1, 2008
12:57 PM

Well CS, thankfully for me i don't care what people think of me. I don't rely on sycophants to boost my self image. That is a communist pursuit. Nor do i try to drown out others opinions.

#51
commonsense
August 1, 2008
01:08 PM

Rohan,

Unlike you, the perfect person, I accept myself warts and all, so unlike the regular folks you despise, I am not at immune to flattery and even the occasional sycophancy. That might indeed be my goal in life: to be surrounded by sycophants. Glad to know that unlike me, you are totally perfect. Perhaps a halo over your head, or is that imagery a wee bit too christian for your taste?

Since I am not into useless drivel, as opposed to useful drivel, I suggest you focus on boosting Ruvy up a bit. Dog knows, he needs it.

#52
kerty
August 1, 2008
03:51 PM

Consider it a bollywood malaise - where kidnappers, ransomers, crooks, militants, jehadis and terrorists are shown having comedic value, nay, they are sold to us as lovable goof-balls, lover boys with complete item song sequences, wronged by society, who are only humans struggling to fix the oppressive world, may be in a bit misguided way, but their hearts are tender and pure, like true-blooded lover boys that are staple of heros and heroines in bollywood fare. So I am not surprised if so many people, like in this thread, would like to hug their terrorists. Have you hugged the terrorist lately?

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