Coordinated Bomb Blasts in Jaipur, India

Well, it looks like Unmanlymohan Singh will have to quickly trot out and make the usual grandiose statements about how "Indians will never bow to terrorism" (which is pretty ironic, given how many bodyguards he gets to hide behind, unlike the public)

How many more times are Indians condemned to hear such prattle from him?

Very cheap, low-cost mechanisms seem to have been used, are they running low on money, or going for the low-impact, multiple-volume (Wal-Mart?) model now?

damn, and i thought this crap was behind us....

So sad. Suffering goes on.

Another attack by jehadis in continuation of sprit of Moahmmed Bin Qassim in 713 AD.

Indians are advised to forget the past and ignore the cruelty of the past.

But what about present?

Bhai Commonsense you might be celebrating?
Jehadis whose crimes you try to justify or advise people to Ignore have done it again.

Shame? Where are Nuclear Bombs, Agni Missile and Arjun tanks? useless Indians have to suffer.

We'll get some condemnations of the act from world over on dead bodies of our broters and sisters.

USA has not been attacked since 9/11 only because it dared to challenge the jehadis in their own den?

India can do it. It can eliminate jehadis.
But will power of our people has been diluted by so called secularuists, communists and other associates of foreign invaders.

Our blood is cheap only because we have lost caapcity to differentiate between invading dacoits and suffering villagers.

People laugh ta me with this comparison. But ground reality is this only. Unless we stop equating villagers and dacoits, we'll continue suffering like this.

I am sure my so called secular broters and sisters might be distributing sweets on this another successful act of crime against humanity by their `lovely' jehadis?

Even after attack on Parliament more then 30 bomb blasts have taken place. We do not have courage even to impelemnt orders of our supreme court to hang a jehadi?

So sad.

what is sad? this:

I am sure my so called secular broters and sisters might be distributing sweets on this another successful act of crime against humanity by their `lovely' jehadis?

in the face of death and desturction and grieving families such displays are sad ....and pathetic

MS:

""Our blood is cheap only because we have lost caapcity to differentiate between invading dacoits and suffering villagers.""

Oh no! But yes, sad, but entirely predictable. And thus innocent blood is deployed in the service of murderous sectarian ideologies and practices. Sleep in peace Man Singh, after using this horrific occasion to further your cause, whatever that might be.

Bhai temp,

if we do not take any action against dacoits, such events will never stop. I have seen here in this DC, people trying to justify the crimes of jehaidis.

This time these families, next time other families , next time some other innocent.

We'll do nothing but shedding tears my freinds.

Untill dacoits are beaten back, they'll never abandon their bad habbit. Like it or not this is the way how to stop such crime against humanity.

We ourselves are alowing our own people get killed at hands of Jehadis, why are we doind drama now and shedding crocodile tears?

We allowed jehadis to strike again by not taking any action against them. By showing lineancy to them due to political gains.

My words may be crude my freinds, may be rude but true. Yes it time to celebrtae for our secular brigade as their associates have carried out another successful attack.

may be distatsteful, but belive me we'll get nothing but condolences from world over.

No action will be taken against any body. Centres of terror are well known but Government can'nat take action due to vote politics and people will continue suffering.

No need to be sad my freind. learn to live with it. who knows next time ur family or my family?

Those who kicked out of Pakistan in 1947 still has not learnt lesson from what they suffered. Still Kuldeep nayyar, manmohan singh Khushwant Singh and rajinder sacchar all of them looted beated insulted and kicked out of Pakistan still sing the songs of the praise of jehadis.

how can we save our people is yaksha Prashna.

ms:

sir, with due respect please do not include me in your "we" now, or in future

also, with the same respect and humility i'd state for all and sundry i am not your bhai or beh'n

And please MS, with all UNDUE respect sir, please do continue to call me "nonsense". Coming from you, it is a singular badge of honour, even though I will continue to badger you, even after Gill, Ruvy and the usual secttarian/racist/bigoted supects come to rescue you.

[BLATHERING]

[BLATHERING]

Here are some pictures from the blast scene:

http://www.rajasthanpatrika.com/jaipur-blast/photogallery/1.htm

(Warning: some pictures are pretty graphic)

I am unable to understand the motives of these bombs. Most Indians are not bothered and if they are, that would be for 2 days and then we are back to normal. Can anybody explain to me the motive of these bombs?

Chandra,

Just feel sick. what happens after a while is a routinization of such horrible violence....when you say "then we are back to normal". As for motives: in general, it is back to thekedaari for this or that imagined grievance; the creation and stoking up of political, cultural, grievance, religious capital to be deployed later for sickening violence....the hardening of boundaries, distrust, suspicions etc. In the end, in general, there are obviously people who, benefit from such gory horrors. Sick.

Blathering kya hota hai bhai?

koi enlighten karega?

Truth is bitter my freinds and difficult to digest.

By supressing words can not supress the truth.

I know pretty well I never used any abusive language towards anybody.

My point was only that due to soft line against terrorists and their local associates by politicians, humanity is suffering.

Yes those who always sided with jehadis will never like these ideas.

But truth is this only that those who defend/justify acts of violence by terrorists and support government line not to take any action against them are indierctly helping jehadis only.

If DC feels this point of view deserves ban, it is withing their right to do so.

MS:

""Blathering kya hota hai bhai?

koi enlighten karega?"'

foaming+frothing = lather

foaming+frothing when Bombs go off, with the intention of manipulating the sick/sad events to sell ones's pet ideology, be it jihadism or sectarianism of any kind = Blather (as in B in bmobs, and B in blather)

Any more questions?

Thnaks you boss.

So British Government hanged Bhagat Singh Sukhdev and Rajguru for Balthering.

Those who used jaliavala kand to awaken soul of sleeping Indians were Blathering acts and Vasudev balvant Phadke tried to create awaremeness among sleeping Indians during plague, he was engaged in blathering.

Okay Thanks again for enlightenment.

Man Singh, did you just compare the Jaipur terrorists to Bhagat Singh and Rajguru? Your sentence sure reads that way.

That logic only makes sense if you're a sympathizer, then or now.

Aman # 18 I am sorry about any miscommunication.

I felt as Sacrifice of supreme sacrifice of Guru Arajn Dev, supreme Sacrifice of Teg Bahadur, Jaliyavaal bag, plague of Pune, hanging of Bhagat Singh etc were used by `India lovers' to create an awakening among our people, I tried to highlight issue of terrorism after Jaipur Blast and opined that so called secularists and communists who write big articles to justify crimes of Terrorists many times are indirectly supporting this blood shed and naturally it should be time for them to celebrate their success.

I felt as if my opinions were blocked exactly for the same reason as British Government use to ban programs after such events.

I am sorry and apologise if it led to the conclusion exactly opposite to what I stand for.

I can never equate invaders to freedom fighters.

Village youth beating back the dacoits are freedom fighters. Invading dacoits are nothing but criminals.

Seculars and communists are always soft on these criminals and many times seek justifications for their actions. I oppose it tooth and nail and out anger I wrote that some indirect helping hands of these killers are within among ourselves and they might be celbrating the sucess of their mentors on the dead bodies of these innocent people.

bhul chuk maaf

Here is the motive for the bombings:

http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&issueid=53&id=8257&Itemid=1&sectionid=4

The fact that they show the bicycle being loaded with explosives, and also show the area where it was planted, makes it very credible to me.

Man Singh:

""I felt as Sacrifice of supreme sacrifice of....hanging of Bhagat Singh etc were used by `India lovers' to create an awakening among our people, I tried to highlight issue of terrorism after Jaipur Blast and opined that so called secularists and communists who write big articles to justify crimes....Seculars and communists are always soft on these criminals""

Man Singh: Fact Check (no, not a fat check!): it is your right to hate secularists and anyone else. But if you do, why praise Bhagat Singh. After all, he was not just a secular atheist, but even wrote a booklet while in jail that was titled "Why I am an Atheist" (1931). As for his attraction for communism, he was not just a member, but one of the key leaders of the Hindustan Socialist Republican Association.

Sanjay, thanks for the links to India Today. Depressing, really.

commonsense, the fact is that the Left have hijacked secularism, and are in fact quite opposite of secular. The so-called 'secular' Left defend and justify a separate Islamic legal system, the Left in W.Bengal and the Leftists of the Congress Party, who very loudly use the slogan of secularism all the time, have evicted Tasleema Nasreen from the country.

So let's not validate or dignify the Left by associating them with secularim, because nothing could be further from the truth. Let's instead recognize that secularism has been hijacked by all sorts of anti-secular people who parrot that word very loudly, while being totally ignorant of its concept.

Sanjay,

In the above post, I take no position on secularism or anti-secularism (even though I am a sercularist). I just point out that Bhagat Singh was a secular atheist.

Peace!

Sanjay,

In the above post, I take no position on secularism or anti-secularism (even though I am a secularist, but obviously don't expect everybody else to be one!). I just point out that Bhagat Singh was a secular atheist.

Peace!

commonsense, and there's your problem right there. The Left are busily making a mockery of secularism and destroying its meaning. They're raping secularism right in front of you and meanwhile you're taking no position on this, while it's happening right under your nose. This is the main issue. Bhagat Singh's atheism or his favorite colour are really just academic issues. I'm an atheist myself, but not because of Bhagat Singh, Albert Einstein, or any other name-dropping.

The Left have damaged the image of secularism, by committing every kind of abuse in its name. It's time for secularism to be reclaimed from the clutches of the Left.

Peace be on you Sanjay....

My criterea is if somebody is with invaders or with villagers.

Bhagat Singh was with villagers and hence I adore him no matter what he was.

Today Secularists and communists are simply pro Jehaids and are found standing with Jehadis and hence need to be xposed.

CS again go by the moral of teh story and not on wordings?

I refered Bhagat Singh for his supreme sacrifice for a cause to kick out invaders.

I criticised todays secularists and communists for siding with jehadis dierctly or indirectly.

I know you use such gimmicks when have no escape?

carry on CS.

Terrorists attacked jaipur.
All leaders condemned that attacks
Sketch of mastermind was issued by police
international leaders send condolence letters

But if police carries out raids on suspected places human rightists, secularists, and communists will be in the forfront to denouncing police action.

usual blame will be `harrsing minorities'?

These secularists and communists has created this mentality of separatism. Even criminals are recognised by religion by them.

Blood of innocent Indians is much much cheaper then blood of Jehadis in the eyes of seculars and commies and that's why they for human chains even to protect Afjal Guru a convicted criminal by supreme court of India.

Untill Jehaids have their sympathisers(seculars and commies) active in media and other places India will continue bleeding and hence these seculars and Communists are equally respeonsible for these crimes against humanity. Then why they shed crocodile tears when cruel acts bombing innocent people executed by their fellow travellors.

Secularism is in Indian blood CS.
It started from Vedic times when Rigveda declared `ekam sad vipra bahuda vadanti' and lord Krishna endorced it 5000 years back Chapter 9/shloka 23 that all ways of worship reach me only.

Every true follwer of Indic civilisational values will always be secular.

Peace be on you too, Man Singh...

(as for villagers, apna gaon samhaalo, main to shaher kee or chalaaa)

And peace be upon the libelous BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7401573.stm

He says it all started with the demolition of the Babri Mosque in Ayodhya in December 1992 and has been fuelled by large-scale violence against Muslims, such as in the Gujarat riots in 2002.

"A riot like Gujarat creates a few thousand potential jihadis seeking revenge, so there's no use blaming the foreign hand. We in this country have created this problem," says Mr Bose, a distinguished sociologist.


So once again, the Hindus are to blame for the bombings. It's all about Gujarat. And when the next bombing occurs, that will also be the fault of Gujarat. And the next one, and the next one, etc, etc. Ad infinitum, ad nauseum. What disgusting garbage.

CS Bhai
Peace will never be on India till seculraists and communist abandon their soft corner and association with jehadis and invaders.

peace is a wishful thinking untill hypocrite secularist keep on siding with invaders and jehadis.

Shaher vaale are worst suffrere then villagers.

peace will never come by wishing. Peace has to be established by duly punishing the criminals.

Dacoits has to be beaten back to establish rule of law and peaceful coexistence.

Oh, and read this:

http://www.hindu.com/2008/05/15/stories/2008051554761000.htm

The marxist tabloid which calls itself The Hindu writes in conclusion:

"The Bharatiya Janata Party appears to be preparing the ground for a communal campaign ahead of the November round of Assembly elections by blaming the Jaipur carnage on the United Progressive Alliance government's allegedly 'soft approach' towards terrorism. Such tactics might help win votes -- but will not serve the cause of combating terrorism."

The dead aren't even cremated yet, and already The Hindu is warning darkly about the BJP. Forget about the terrorists, they tell us, and let's just worry about the BJP. This is really pathetic. Victims of terror-bombings get no justice. Just pay their families some 'compensation' and shut them up. Despicable.

MS:

""Shaher vaale are worst suffrere then villagers.""

In that case, I'm headed towards the village

MS:

""peace will never come by wishing.""

Judging by your hysterical response, I can sense that. Regardless, peace be upon you and your family. Abu Ben Adam, may your tribe increase.

MS: (from another thread)

""Anybody who is sincere in truth seeking, I can train them free in the scinece of how to see God and his Avatars. It is 6 years rigorous course in sprituality. It can make you eligible to see God and all his avaytars eliminating all your confusions.""

How can I contact you? I'd love to see God and all his or her avataars. Peace be on you and your rigourous course. How can access this course (discourse?) on spirituality? Peace be on you.

even the army is useless. When the police force went on strike in Bombay, the army was sent to keep peace. These soldiers were itching to use their guns. They shot some civilians, even a little child, on false pretexts.

violence is never the answer to anything. But the Minister for Internal affairs and the Army chief should definitely be brought to book for this.

we are still children of Mahatma Gandhi. We recoil from deeds such as these. Few of us have the stomach for such barbarism.

Muslims are taught to kill the goat they have fed with their own hands since it was a baby.
We lack the brutality, the callousness.

all these Muslim teachings applied to a kill or be killed time of 1400 years ago. we are supposed to be human now, not butchers.

ushnishas, you personally know a lot of Muslims waiting around to kill non muslims? Just wondering;)

Are you saying only Hindus are children of Mahatma Gandhi? BTW my butcher is a hindu and my cook a muslim.

why? you want to employ them? better contact a terrorist

if your butcher is a Hindu then the poor animal did not die a loong drawn out death. thank god!

So Indian muslims have declared war on India. Question is, will India fight back ? Lets not blame Pakistanis for this - Indian muslims, born and brought up in India, are behind these terrorist acts.How do we tackle this internal enemy ? How do we fight our enemies, the Indian muslims ?

India appears very soft on home grown terrorism. There is no appearance of any mobilization of public opinion or any other measures to combat these atrocities. They seem to errupt here and there every few months. Is any body minding the store?

It appears that pseudo secularists are in power in Delhi and they do not wish to offend muslim minorities. Perhaps it is political. They need their votes. What a pathetic state of affairs.

Is there even any need for discussions these days about who is responsible anymore?

Now the killing of Kafirs all you are going to hear is "Dhimmis" voice rigorously coming out and trying to shift the blame away from islam, its followers and institutions. This circus of clowns defending Islamic terror is all obvious in the aftermath of all recurring Islamic terror attacks in India.

In India's case Memory is very short...

"Common man" (who could be next victim) has a memory of 2 days

The ideological biased media about 3 days,

Self-serving and vested interest politicians 3 days,

corrupt lazy Indian institutions about 5 days.

So where does that leave us? At the mercy of self-centered and self proclaimed rationalists and ideologists. Who all try to insult victims and their (unnecessary) deaths by portraying and justifying the culprits & their institutions by virtue of some weird "fetish humanism" or something in those terms.

What is next for common Indian? It seems the same heinous "vicious cycle" of Islamic terror..

These sick ideologists under the pretext of various "isms" vigorously try to subdue Hindu safety concern and their resorts. They will become the the "self-proclaimed" spokesperson for Islam and its institutions and indulge in twisted and deviated arguments and discussions with fellow Hindus. One must note that not one Muslim institution comes out too root out the evil in their religion and teachings. But these dhimmis will go overboard in their name...

And while Dhimmis are performing their prescribed (as per Islam) duties towards their fellow kafirs the Islamists and their institutions (real culprits) both within India and outside are already on drawing boards preparing for the next terror launch on Kafirs in India.

What's next... can be anyone's imagination.... Even worse... if we care to look at the trend

... first there used to be a single blast... then there came chain of blasts type of attacks...

In future.... simultaneous chain of blasts across many places in India at the same time??? In short a coordinated pan-indian terror attack.

As usual the Dhimmis wants us to be the usual sitting duck and lives and livelyhood at the Islamic terror mercy...

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>>>On Indian dysfunctional democracy and its institution this is what someone wrote

>>>In a dingy house Pizza lady and her three crying dirty babies (MMS, SP, PM) sitting around dinner table... being served raw chopped heads of hindus, the chef is a jihadi terrorist winking at pizza lady and smiling. Pizza lady is smiling back at him. The household servant maid washing utensils in the background is none other than pres patil... Common Hindu standing outside are peeping thru window not able to do anything. This is what India has become... I wish some newspaper cartoon walla had imagination and strong heart to paint and publish something like this<<<<<

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PS ATC Gang (Anamika,Temporal,Commonsense) the gang of three... Yes this is all Islamophobia.........Right!!!!

Gill,

Light beer or regular?

CS
Chilled beer....

CS
Chilled beer....

"One must note that not one Muslim institution comes out too root out the evil in their religion and teachings."

I am afraid that is true all over the world. Occasionaly an individual will come forward to discuss such evils. But these folks are quickly drowned out by not radical islamists but by mullahs and others who think they are spokesperons for the community at large. Until there arise a very loud voice of concern from within Islam, we can wait a long long time for any change to occur.

All religions have problems. Most have dergrading tradition or customs operting within their religion. But when it comes to dealings with outside world Islam takes the cake. Perhaps that is because Mohammed's teaching concerning non believers. We are in 21st century, it is time scholars of Islam come forward and say that the division of believers and non believers does not make any sense any more and that we are all EQUAL.
Please some one tell me 'yes' that they are about to do so.

Gill,

Perhaps "child beer"" as they write on some menus in India? Best thing to cool off!

CS

We have been cooling off too long. The result is Jaipur. And who knows many more still to come. It is time we inject some heat. My feeling is that being too nice with each other creates a percption of peace. That seems to be pseudo secularists agenda. In ralility that kind of peace is very fragile. It is time to start calling a spade a spade. Hopefully some people will start thinking seriously.

Morris,

Sincerely, I am not quite sure if the horror is a result of too much cooling off or too much heated rhetoric or perhaps a complex combination of both. I wish I knew, but I don't. I leave it to others to reflect on this point. It is always a good idea to call a spade a spade so everyone knows where one and others stand. Being nice to each other when one does not do it with sincerity does not serve anyone.

Morris,

I might add that I have been in very many real life situations where the natural emotional response would have been to respond emotionally and I am glad that I cooled off and did not get caught up in the heat of the moment. There is always a day after to reckon with, regardless of which sectarian side one stands on. And the day after is never a pretty sight. Trust me, there is no substitute for rational as opposed to emotionally charged thinking. The jihadi perpertrators of this horrific bombing are hoping exactly to evoke a heated response. At the end of the day, who wins and who loses if we give in to their calculations? Willing herds?

CS

'The jihadi perpertrators of this horrific bombing are hoping exactly to evoke a heated response.'

Whether that is so or not we do not know for sure. But we do know for sure that if not cought these guys are going to plan something else. And what you are saying about not getting emotional would be equally applicable even then. I am not suggesting that they should do something irrational, but for crying out loud don't just sit there, do nothing and simply ratioalize why these things happen. It happenned because those in authrity failed.

CS,
The fact is that the perpetrators of these blasts hope to commit similar atrocities again. What solution do you have? 'Staying cool' when taken too far or done too often, becomes complacency.

"All things must be done in moderation, including moderation itself," - Benjamin Franklin.

Tell me CS, if someone broke into your house and was in the process of attacking your wife and children, would you lie down and cool off in the meantime? Your simplistic prescriptions fall short of what's required in our real world. It's not credible.

Morris:

"".... I am not suggesting that they should do something irrational, but for crying out loud don't just sit there, do nothing and simply ratioalize why these things happen. It happenned because those in authrity failed.""

Morris, I am glad you wrote this. I had no idea taht you thought I was rationalizing anything. Of course the authorities have to act and act strongly. Of course this is a dramatic failure on the part of the relevant authorities, and a failure that political parties will rush in, and have probably already rushed in to capitalize on. When I said "cool off" all I meant was that stoking sectarian passions from any side, is never the way to go, as it simply compounds the problem. As ususal you have hit the nail on the head. The relevant authorities spend millions on security and this and that and they are the ones squarely responsible for this and they should be pressured to use the full extent of the law to prevent shit like this. On the other hand, the authorities are also not totally immune to political pressures, so the politicians are equally responsible for capitalizing on this. When sectarian passions are stoked, regardless of which side, it more often than not, leads for more senseless actions and the whole cycle goes on.

As for "but for crying out loud, don't just sit there and do nothing...." none of us is either part of the authority nor a professional politician, so we can't really do anything actively, except to discuss it and think about rational response to this horrific series of incidents. And the right response is to blame the authorities and the politicians who live off this bloodletting. As folks writing in from all corners of the globe, what else can one do? All sectarian takes on such national tragedies are bound to escalate and reproduce the same problem. Sooner of later, the game ceases to be worth the candle. We have seen it again and again, and the so-called medicine of stoking sectarian hatred, rather than putting real pressure on authorities and politicians who live off this crap, usually compounds the problem.

Morris:

""But we do know for sure that if not cought these guys are going to plan something else. And what you are saying about not getting emotional would be equally applicable even then.""

Oh absolutely, it is equally applicable to those who inflicted such horror on Jaipur. Of course it is. I am not sure how I ever gave the impression that it is not. But, at the end of the day, the authorities and the politicians have to held accountable and pressured. A sectarian conflagration or large-scale communal violence (I am not saying you suggest this should happen) in response to what has happened is certainly irrational (I am NOT saying that you are promoting this) and achieves results quite the opposite of what is intended, creating years of bitterness, almost unbridgeable divides and distrust. These are national issues that need to be addressed in a non-sectarian manner. A sectarian approach is self-defeating and is a non-starter right from the start.

Sanjay to me:

""The fact is that the perpetrators of these blasts hope to commit similar atrocities again. What solution do you have? 'Staying cool' when taken too far or done too often, becomes complacency.""

I have said that I have no "solution" except for holding the relevant authorities who were in charge of preventing this and putting pressure on them to ensure that this kind of sectarian barbarism, is prevented. By "staying cool" I was not trying to be frivolous, but an attempt to cool off the sectarian rhetoric that pours gasoline over the fire, makes all sectarian folks feel good during the heat of the moment, sometimes results in more mayhem, and of course property is destroyed, looted, more lives lost and another cycle of hatred, distrust and bitterness is set in motion. And yes, this applies to the jihadis too who triggered off this horror in Jaipur.

If you have other solutions, other than precipitating a full-blown or even half-blown bout of communal riots, I'd be happy to know.

One again, i am unable to understand. Who benefits from this bombing? I can so no winners here........

Chandra,

Of course there are no winners, only innocent victims. What is it that you don't understand about the fact that the relevant authorities who were supposed to have prevented this should try everything within their power to apprehend the bastards who did this and all those who were accomplices and to punish them to the full extent of the law, such that they pay the price for this horrific, calculated bloodshed of innocent people. If you do not understand this, I cannot make it any more simple and I'd be wasting your time and mine. (If you do want me to repeat what I said, using slightly different words, read my message #51 above)

And if you have any better solutions to offer, I'd like to hear about it.

Apologies Chandra, I mistook you for Sanjay. Regardless, my views are the same.

Sanjay:

""Tell me CS, if someone broke into your house and was in the process of attacking your wife and children, would you lie down and cool off in the meantime? Your simplistic prescriptions fall short of what's required in our real world. It's not credible.""

1. If such kind of heinous bombing is imminent, it is best to beat the crap out of the folks who are about to pull it off and then call the relevant authorities.

2. If such bombing is already underway, and others are about to go off, the only rational alternative to beat the crap of the others who are about to pull it off, then call the relevant authorities.

3. If the bombings has already occurred, as is the case now, instead of taking the matter in one's own hands, pressure the relevant authorities to get to catch the bastards and to prevent it from happening again.

4. The final alternative is of course to take matters in one's own hands, instigate a communal riot that results in further loss of blood and destruction of property, create further bitterness and enemities that are then addressed by further riots and mayhem.

You, as a free citizen, are of course free to chose any course of action, just as I am free to chose what appears to me as a commonsensical approach. I am not criticising you here, just laying out particular alternatives (and I'm sure there are many more) and pointing out what appears to me to be a rational course of action. I will not and do not argue that you must agree with me or refrain from criticising me. At the end of the day, we are neither politicians nor activists, but simply concerned citizens who have an interest in what's going on.

The fear of stoking sectarian hatred has paralysed India. Media, Politicians and public alike should express outrage at this carnage. But they cannot even show that. They can turn it around and chaulk up as success because it did not result into the like of Gujarat. Oh what a success that is.

Morris,

I can't believe that nobody is expressing outrage at this horrific carnage. I can't imagine anyone, except the planners, executors, and accomplices, tacit or open, of this grotesque bombing, would feel otherwise. Perhaps we disagree, but like you and all interested citizens, I have been follwing media reports too.

CS

Perhaps you are right. I only go by the overall impression. You may be closer to truth than I am about media. But one thing is is sure. Not much seem to change and that is not an indication of outrage.

The usual circus (after every Islamic terror attack on Hindus) is on once again

All we are seeing is history repeating itself the rationalist, seculars, commies, biased media, corrupt Indian institutions and politicians will (are) come(ing) out and do(ing) the usual spin and it has already started...

Propaganda and brainwashing has started :-

1.) This terror attack was not against Hindus

2.) Hide the central fact that great majority of the people killed were Hindus and Hanuman temples on Tuesday evening were targeted.

Already creating the usual spin (if one reads worldwide media reports on Jaipur blast) that Hindus were not killed, or their killing is irrelevant..

GOI and its institutions and other vested interest groups (including media) are working over-time to :-

A) Hide Islamic perpetrators,

B.) Making Muslim citizens as the victim,

C) and lastly making Hindus the faceless creatures who are designed by Allaah to be killed & erased.

Morris,

Trust me, my responses to you are not in the mode of scoring points or attempting to demonstrate that my sectarianism is bigger/better than yours. These are serious issues, and whatever I have written, it has all been in good and sincere faith, since this tragedy is too serious to play around with.

As in modern nation-state, the state authorities have to be held responsible as in the end, they are the ones entrusted with the protection and security of citizens. Sure, certain elements in the state apparatus may be corrupt, as they are, they may be unduly influenced by lobbies that shout and scream the most (eg. the crazy banning of Rushdie etc.) and they are influenced. But the alternative to all these problems, it seems to me at least, is to fix those issues rather than calling for vigilante action by self-appointed militias that are not susceptible to ANY pressures except their own. If the state authorities and politicians are full of shit, as they sometimes are, the scenario of stoking communal riots to "take revenge", led by completely unaccountable sectarian goons, regardless of which sect or religion they might belong to, is surely a recipe for a prolonged nightmarish disaster. The existing political institutions may not work well, as indeed they don't, but Sanjay, while demanding a solution from me, has not offered any of his own that would be AN IMPROVEMENT on the existing horrific situation.

I really do not wish to get into a tu tu main main debate on this, as I sincerely believe that no one in their right mind would feel anything but shock and horror at what has happened. Except of course for the merchants on hate who survive and thrive precisely on such horrors.

CS wrote
>>>I can't believe that nobody is expressing outrage at this horrific carnage. <<<<

your answer is in #61. In very simple terms "expressing outrage" would amount to "anti-islamism" and thus "anti-muslim".....

Gill,

What is your solution? If it is any different from the one that calls on pressure on the GOI to apprehend those who planted the bombs and those who helped them to do it and to prosecute them the maximum extent of the law, please share it with everyone.

If there is anyone at all on DC, who has ever claimed, directly or indirectly or even in passing that those killed were not Hindus, please cut/paste a quote that might empirically demonstrate this fact.

If the media are spinning this issue the way you put it, perhaps you could write a piece and post it on DC and others can respond to it.

Well CS that's exactly the problem here. You have mentioned in your few posts that responsibility lies on "Authority"... but at the same time you ignore the "authority" that is motivating these Islamic terrorists... why you do not question that "authority" that is propagating and breeding Islamic terror into individual muslims.

Are Muslims born with terror mentality???? Or it is induced in them through by their institutions - mullahs, jammats, madrasas and religious books and scholars!!!!!!

Solution has to come from within the community. As I had said before we are yet to see Indian Islamic institutions and its followers to

1. Express outrage at terrorist activities of fellow Muslims
2. Openly DISOBEY any Mullah who owes allegiance to Islam over Indian constitution.
3. Openly speak out against implementing Shariat in India.
4. 10 prominent Mullas declaring Pakistan and other Indian Muslim outfits and school of thoughts as a terrorist; and continuing to reinforce that thought into their Indian Muslim community.

Unless one sees that Islamic terror will continue in India................ Ironically... What happened at the last Indian Islamic conference.... Instead of targeting and blaming the "teachings" and "brainwashing" by Islamic institutions that makes ordinary muslims into fundamentalists and eventually lead to "terror".. they blamed the majority and their actions for islamic "terror". Sadly even after Jaipur terror attack none of Indian Islamic institutions have come out and denounced their fellow Islamists and no movement to eradicate Islam of these violent teachings and resorts...

By the way have you noticed the recent trend majority of the terrorists are well educated...... they are not illiterate village folks....

CS #34

You ca contact me at jackydadajackydada at yahoo dot com

From rest of the postings here I understand that as per CS and his team the only way to peace is :

Victims of bombings should shut up to keep bombers and their sympathisres happy.
Victims of Partition of India should shut up to make those with separatist mentality happy.
Victims of Mopla should shut up to make invaders happy.
Victims of Aurangjeb should shut up to make associates of Aurangjeb happy
Victims of jehangir shoulkd shut up to make hissympathisers happy
Vicrtims of Taimur gajanavi Gauri and Qasim should shut up so that their associates and sympathisers should not feel offended?

Ultimately the so called Dhongi seculars and communist theory of peace is based on `shutting up the victims' to make attackers happy.

Most surprising thing is that they value the sentiments of associates of invaders more then the dead bodies of victims?

What a shameful situation?

Can peace prevail by appeasing the bombers and their associates? never.

peave will prevail only by beating back the attackers and their associates.

It is different matter that weak and spineless Indian leadership can not do that out of Greed, terror, ignorance.

Greed terror and Ignorance are these reasons for all attacks on India. Vote Greedy seculars and communists are compromising with the dead bodoed of innocent Indians.

Laaton ke bhoot baaton se nahi maante. Government of India should declare terrorism as `war against India' just like USA has done.

Terrorists should be tried in Military Courts and not civilian courts as these terrorists and their associates are not more civilians.

Any statement, procession of rally by any body in support of terrorists should be considered as act against nation.

I guarentee Peace in India within 3 months.

Man Singh

'Any statement, procession of rally by any body in support of terrorists should be considered as act against nation.'

Are suggesting that there are statements and processions etc in support of terrorists? You must be joking. They should be all taken to the police station and interrogated vigorously and appropriately charged under prevention of terror act or whatever.

I might be missing something, perhaps my brains, but I fail to detect any solutions offered by Gill and MS. Time for a brain transplant for myself. Folks, until I can acquire new brains, there's not much point discussing this issue any further. As I have done before, I will slink away with my tail tucked under my legs, silently muttering "discretion is the better part of valour", in vain attempt to console myself.

Man Singh,

Before I take the drastic and expensive step of getting a brain transplant, I will try your offer of rigorous training in spirituality. It could possibly cure my confusion. As you indicated in another thread:

""Anybody who is sincere in truth seeking, I can train them free in the scinece of how to see God and his Avatars. It is 6 years rigorous course in sprituality. It can make you eligible to see God and all his avaytars eliminating all your confusions.""

Is the offer still open?? Six years is not such a big deal if I can see, and more importantly face the truth.

CS why are u trying to divert the discussion from original topic?

Are you exhaused of all arguments to defend sentiments of associates of bombers vis a vis sentiments of victims of the Blast?

This is usual tactic of so called seculars or commies, when find no futher argumnent, change the topic?

Anamika does the same many times.

Yes I can train your mind whatever way u want?

Mind is an intelligent machine and can be customised to suit individuals needs.

For sprituality and God realsiation , it needs a bit cleaning and differnt operating system.

U r most welcome. I have given u my email and we can start any time.

Binu satsang vivek na hoi , Binu hari kripa sulabh nahi soi

Yes, MS, totally exhausted, appalled at the bankruptcy of my own secularist arguments....what to do?

CS u asked `what to do'

accept the truth that jehadis, communists and hypocrate secularists are enemy of humanity and as such enemies of India.

So spare one hour a day and use your talent to highlight the plight of innocent victims of terrorism for last 1300 years. Help them if you can afford finacially.

Start caring for sentiments of victims of terror and not jehadi terrorists and their associates.

Start siding with innocent victims of terror and not with cruel jehadis.

I think this is enough for u to practise for a year of so.

Rest next year

CS u asked `what to do'

accept the truth that jehadis, communists and hypocrate secularists are enemy of humanity and as such enemies of India.

So spare one hour a day and use your talent to highlight the plight of innocent victims of terrorism for last 1300 years. Help them if you can afford finacially.

Start caring for sentiments of victims of terror and not jehadi terrorists and their associates.

Start siding with innocent victims of terror and not with cruel jehadis.

I think this is enough for u to practise for a year of so.

Rest next year

it would be nice (and a nightmare too), if any society were like clay that anyone could mould any which way one wanted. there is no shortage of interesting, intriguing, good, crazy and bizzare ideas about how to set society right. thankfully, societies are not made of clay subject entirely to the whims and fancies of people ranging from do-gooder pests and terrorists, (or villagers and dacoits)

Commonsense

I still haven't found an answer here. But my own calculations (cold) show that the only group that benefits out of this is the BJP. I am sorry to say this. The Rajasthan Govt is on the verge of being wiped out in the next election and any consolidation of Hindu (?) votes is massively benificial to the ruling party. On the other hand, claims by the central Govt seems to suggest that my hypothesis may be completely wrong and this indeed an attack by some Qeda or Tayba or SIMI. If it is one of them, I am quite surprised. Why surprised? What is the purpose of such an attack? In a vast country like ours, such attacks are assigned very low values. I am sorry to say, but noody cares. Jaipur is not Madrid or London or New York.
I donot think that the Govt in India can control such random actos of violence. Actually, it is impossible. Ordinary folks like you and me need to show more awareness and the fact is that most of us dont.

rgds

"Ordinary folks like you and me need to show more awareness and the fact is that most of us dont."

The press too can help here. Outrage among Hindus is not going to stop the bombings - in fact, this is exactly what the terrorists intend to acheive.

The day after the Jaipur bombing, the TOI published on the front page the story of a Muslim family that lost many of its members, including children. I think this was a brilliant move. By highlighting the plight of affected Muslim families, it would help create a sense of outrage among Muslims against the terrorists. I think this is the only practical way to turn the table on them.

I hope the popular press continues this trend, by highlighting Muslims (esp children) who happen to be victims of future blasts.

Ledzius

There is an assumption that only muslims can place bombs like this. I will vote BJP the next election for many others but I dont buy this argument that only muslims can place bombs like this.....may be it just political criminals...everything need not be ISI or SIMI or qaeda....

Chandra,

Like many others (unlike Man Singh and Gill who presume to have all the answers, cut and dried formulas for stoking more sectarianism) I can only say that I am clueless since there are literally wheels within wheels when it comes to politics and political manouvering, pre-election posturing etc. You are absolutely right, that the key issue here is: who stands to benefit from these bombing episodes? I wish I knew for sure, but I don't. My second concern here is also the fact that these episodes are also used by all sides to broaden sectarian divides and this is not good for the nation as a whole (stating the obvious here, but what to do?). As for your speculation that it could just be "political criminal" who knows? Paul Brass's study, based upon years of field-work and interviews with such instigators of violence in Kanpur (Paul Brass _Theft of an Idol_ Princetion University Press) indicates that there are indeed criminals for hire who would instigate a riot for anyone, as long as there's enough cash available. He calls it an "organized riot system" run along the lines of a business, so to speak. On the other hand, it could indeed be SIMI, ISI, qaeda. Hard to tell at this stage, as the pall of murky power politics shrouds everything....

CS

Thats not nice..... it seems somehow you have given up your ideals... or maybe you are just scared of institution of Islam..

What happened to your quest for plurism, tolerance, democratic values and scientific temperament?????????????

why don't you work on making Muslims "vocal supporters of pluarism, tolerance, democratic values and scientific temparament."

do humanity a big favor...

Gill:

""do humanity a big favor...""

I do....since you are not a part of it yet, you haven't noticed....

CS # 74

Irrespective of material society id made of, ground reality is that crime againt humanity are being perpetuarlly carreid out by jehadis all around the world.

In India it is going on for last 1300 years. They have 1300 years of experince of torturing society.

Many people in these 1300 years have challenged them and beaten them back.

Solution exist for every problem. Those who can think can act as well.

Those who feel to be clueless and believe there are wheels after wheels behind the crime should learn from those who have real life experince to fight with invaders and beating them back in place of siding with criminals?

Yes solution do exist for every problem. Action has to be taken.

India have seen many major actions in History and beaten back the invaders Greeks, Huns, Sakas, Arabs, Turks, British and many more?

CS
You made a mistake in your statement... by mistake you used humanity instead of islamists. But again for you they are one and the same!!!

>>>""do Islamists a big favor...""

I do....since you are not a part of it yet, you haven't noticed....>>>>

Gill,

the problem with you is that you are unwilling to takes sides in the cause of humanity. basically i am a village boy and i learnt all my lessons when one dark and dreary night, a gang of dacoits attacked my village. now you tell me what will you do when dacoits attack your village or pind. will you wait long enough until the police you called get there or will you take action before your whole village or pind is destroyed. i think you are avoiding this key question while playing with words and changing the subject. my friend it is easy to be sarcastic when you run out of arguments, but the world does not survive on words alone. besides, i think you are anti-semitic because you pay no attention to what is said in this quote from the torah: "one day, gaza will be cleared of all south syrians and will be repopulated by true believers". so, as anyone can see, i am wrong and you are right. or is it the other way around? sheesh, i have lost my train of thought. come to think of it, i have even missed the train, never mind the train of thought. regardless, i am just an innocent villager battling dacoits and history will remember you as not coming to the aid of villager and thus indirectly supporting dacoits. shame.

[no personal attacks]

Man Singh,

Try impersonal attacks for size next time.

Did I attacked anybody in this post?

That also personally?

I simply put my point to appropriateness of Indian ancinet books in the background of Indian village being attacked.

I simply tried to put secular verses of veda and Bhadvadgeeta that preach `all ways of worship are true and reach me' and `sarve bhavantu sukhina' vis a vis what you refered from Torah?

Seems soil has become weak and bearing capcity too low and foundations are shrinking?

And that is happening in a website that allows glorification of invaders and crooks like Pinter MF Hussein?

Koi baat nahi bhai cs. it is very difficult to digest the truth.

MF Hussain, an invader?....

CS wrote
>>>>>MF Hussain, an invader?....<<<<<

Is he or is he not??? Didn't he invade the very essence of millions of Hindus "faith" by painting Hindu Goddesses nude!!!!! Last the world knew was that his "faith" islam considers even sketch portrayal of his God, Prophet. his dozen wives and other saints etc as "blasphemy". So my friend it cannot be considered "innocent" "freedom of expression" in the name "humanism"..... but again as usual in your concept of "humanity" ....Hindu "sentiments" do not count...

CS # 83

Your rationality (Secular rationalist) only equates to "spread" of Islamism. It has simply become a proxy tool for the justification of Islamic terror...... After every act of terror and innocent deaths its your "rationality" that comes out in the defence of institution of Islam and absolve them from any propagation of "terror".

Even in Jaipur blasts you have so conveniently absolved any links to Islamic terrorism. According to you there is no such thing as "prevalent institutionalized Islamic terrorism" in India. you equate the blasts to "law and order" situation. And the best one.. you somehow try to divert the blame on to some Hindu terrorists (only secular rationalists would know what that is!!!!!) or twist the blame angle towards vested hindu political interests since elections are around the corner!!!!! Nice very nice indeed.... This is what I call a true "secular rationalist".....rationalism at its best.......

I must say I am beginning to like all this "Humanism", "Rationalism" etc of yours.....in Indian context simply... regardless of any consequences to society (as a whole) and for self-gratification of ones ideals, agenda, doctraine etc.... always vigorously "support" vocal and aggressive "Minority" (Economic, Social, Religious or ethnic) against a "passive" majority.........

Don't you sometimes wish Mao, Lenin, Stalin were alive and with you in this day and age... maybe than your twisted versions of "reality and rationalism" would be the only "absolute" truth.... And your "absolute truth" could easily be enforced on common folks like us or even better simply "banish" people like me...... and thus achieve your achieve your perfect utopian society.....

CS

Unlike "secular rationalists" certain irrational people probably listened to by "solution".... it is a begining...

----From Times of India
At Friday prayers, imams to slam terror
21 May 2008, 0107 hrs IST , Pervez Iqbal Siddiqui , TNN

LUCKNOW: The fight against terror is now going to get a Quranic stamp and clerics are going to raise their voice at Friday prayers.

The Movement Against Terrorism (MAT), a new front of moderate clerics, will exhort imams at mosques across north India to use the Friday prayer to speak out against the murderous Islamic groups.

It also attempts to answer the often-heard criticism that Muslim clerics, even the more moderate ones, aren't seen as doing enough to condemn terrorism.

"Quran does not endorse terrorism in any way. And so we must make it a point to propagate this during speeches everywhere, including Friday afternoon prayers," said Maulana Khalid Rasheed Firangi Maheli, the Naib Imam of Eidgah Aishbagh and a member of the executive committee of All-India Muslim Personal Law Board.

Rasheed is a founder-member of MAT, which is leading a jihad against terrorists giving the wanton violence and bloodshed an Islamic veneer and Quranic legitimacy. "Introducing the issue in our speeches is part of our programme under MAT," he said.

Rasheed said the recently launched campaign is already getting under the skin of terror groups.

He pointed out that the Indian Mujahideen email sent to news agencies to claim responsibility for the Jaipur serial blasts minced no words in condemning the men behind MAT programmes across UP and beyond as anti-Islamic, ridiculing them as cowards and non-Muslims. This, he said, explains all.

"MAT, as per it charter, is a fight against terrorism. A fight against the international conspiracy to paint the entire Muslim community as terrorists. A fight against those who justify bombings and blasts as a 'revenge' under Islam," he said.

Rasheed said the group would not be cowed down by threats from terrorists.

[BLATHERING]

CS

From your convictions on Islamic terror in India it is hard to figure out who you are with !!!! "humanity" or "islamists". "secular rationalists" are the core of the problem in India. They are the "foot soldiers" for Islamists in India...

On one hand despite threats (from islamist terrorists and secular rationalists) certain members of the community (MAT - muslims against terrorism) are trying to eradicate the major ill in their community.

On the other hand, ironically the "secular rationalists" are doing the exact opposite - again from today's news

>>>NEW DELHI: Home Minister Shivraj Patil on Wednesday drew a parallel between the cases of Afzal Guru, convicted for his role in the 2001 parliament attack, and Sarabjit Singh, an Indian prisoner on death row in Pakistan

The Home Minister said those asking for Guru's hanging cannot at the same time seek reprieve for Singh.

"If you are asking for Afzal Guru's hanging, then how can you ask for pardon for Sarabjit Singh?" Patil told reporters in his hometown Latur in Maharashtra.

The Home Minister also said that a whole community could be held responsible for the Parliament attack, referring to the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) criticism that Guru was not being hanged because the Congress wanted to appease the minority community. <<<<<
------

Fact is that since that "secular rationalists" in India propagate fear in minorities and spread division, hatred, communalism and sectarianism In short they pave the way for "Islamists" to induce their version of "pure islam" and get recruits for Jihad......

Gill:

""CS

From your convictions on Islamic terror in India it is hard to figure out who you are with !!!!""

Yeah right! As if you have everything else in this world figured out except for this last bit in the puzzle.

I suggest you and Man Singh might use your time better by helping out an embattled Ruvy on the other thread "Peace with Dignity". Where are you when he needs you folks? But then, what you do, is strictly your business, since as a true non-believer, I believe I cannot tell you what I believe you should believe or do.

CS # 92

"I suggest you and Man Singh might use your time better by helping out an embattled Ruvy on the other thread "Peace with Dignity". Where are you when he needs you folks? But then, what you do, is strictly your business, since as a true non-believer, I believe I cannot tell you what I believe you should believe or do."

You can suggest us what to do and what not to do while `not telling what to belive and not to belive'.

I always work for Indo-centric view of events.

yes I am biased towards India, its culture and civilisational values. I side with all those who help India becoming stronger. And will do every thing within my reach to defeat the forces that support invaders and their associates.

Isreal is victim of Jehadi terror as Indians are. Israel and India have almost similar history of percecution at hands of jehadis. And can help each other in making stretegy to defeat the terrorists.

Clearly the thread you are suggesting no way related to India and hence have little relvance for me. My association is limited to defeating terrorists even if I have to associate with Israel or anybody else.

Man Singh,

Thanks for your kind words. They have warmed the cockles of my heart.

Sincerely,

Nonsense

Man Singh

I dont think India is a victim of Jehadi terror. There are many jehadi groups who like to hurt India but we are strong enough to deal with them. What we fail is in providing quality governance to our people.

Chandra wrote

>>>I dont think India is a victim of Jehadi terror. There are many jehadi groups who like to hurt India but we are strong enough to deal with them.<<<<<<

Are we strong enough!!!!! In what sense??? Have you checked the latest stats on number of people killed in jihadi terror attacks and other destruction in last couple of decades!!!!!

Last anyone checked India stood 4th in the world on number of terror attack and people killed by Islamists. And India stood in first place in all terror attacks including by other ideological groups like commie Maoists etc.

Yes India is very strong in not caring for death of its innocent citizens and destruction of property at the hands of terror....... other than that can you please enlighten us on the "Indian strength" in regards to "terrorism:.

Gill:

""...other than that can you please enlighten us on the "Indian strength" in regards to "terrorism..."

due to power outage, there is little light here at the moment....everything running on muttee ka tel...when light is here, will enlighten. dhiraj rakkho betey....yahan der hai, andher nahin hai.

gill

despite all this we donot lead lives like the israelis

CS

Pls keep displaying your "Humanism" .... making jokes out of blood of innocent victims!!!!!!!

Gill:

""Pls keep displaying your "Humanism"""

Vegetarians = eat vegetables
Non-Vegetarians = eat anything that used to move
Humanitarians = ??

What India needs to do to prevent such henious acts of terrorism -

1. India needs a strong, ACTIVE, vigilant CENTRALIZED intelligence agency, with a constantly updated DATABASE for all parts of the country and all terrorist organizations. RAW and IB are pathetic.

Lack of vigilance is a problem. Suspicious people and suspicious objects are never spotted on time. How are so many 'sleeper cells' active without any detection at all?

Espionage and intelligence has never been India's forte. That needs a lot of brains, knowledge of geography, map-reading, cryptography, hacking, psychology, foregin affairs, local languages and what not, AS WELL AS physical strength and military combat fitness.

The only issue is whether they should act only as "alerts" and messengers to the police and army, or should they be given sweeping powers like the "license to kill". The problem with 'license to kill', that too for a shady intelligence organization, is that they can act extra-judicically and thus have no direct accountability. "Human rights violations" may follow.


2. India suffers because it has too many traitors in it's midst. The root cause is the cancer of CORRUPTION. How can kgs after kgs of RDX, grenades, guns, bombs and terrorists themselves be shipped and transported around freely in the country? There must be collusion at the level of the police, government servants and civilians, who sell their country for a lumpsome of money.
Easy isn't it? Pack the explosive powders in cement gunny bags; pay off the concerned authorities with a decent amount, and transport it to the cities where you want to cause mayhem.

This reminds me of the movie "SARFAROSH".
Somehow, we have to cut off the SUPPLY LINES for arms and ammunition, whether it is from Pakistan, or whether it is from the ordinance factories and chemical plants in India.

3. Courts should hand out strict speedy punishments to the terrorists caught.

4. Police and army personnel, if caught in an encounter or cross-fire with terrorists, should ruthlessly KILLand ELIMINATE ALL of the terrorists (unless they want to capture someone for information). This will save jail-space, taxpayers money, and the chance of future hijacks or kidnappings for their release will be eliminated.

5. Carpet bombing of the terrorist camps in Pakistan is NOT an option for India, as this would lead to war with Pakistan, which would definitely be a NUCLEAR war, and thus cause 10000 times more death and devastation in India compared to what the terrorists are causing.

Love and peace to all,
Ayan

Tell you something, Ayan.

A drug-smuggler was boasting of his cunning in smuggling drugs. He sent a small quantity by a courier in an inter-state bus. He got an informer to tell the police about this courier. He sent a large quantity by another courier by another transport. The large quantity was delivered without a hitch. the first courier who was caught and sentenced to jail got well paid for his trouble. This is a true incident.

Your suggestions, Ayan, are eminently sensible. However, India is too vast a country to organise an incorruptible organisation like this. Each city ward, each city and state should have such organisations. The officers should be changed often, so that there can be no bribery system set up.

Since Indans have taken to computers like a duck to water, let us set up an computer intelligence system.

Bhai Chandra # 95

I would request you to please read social studies text books of any Arab Country.

I have