OPINION

Of Desis, Settlers and Flotillas in Israel

June 08, 2010
commonsense

Over the past decade, many Jews disenchanted with official Israeli policies have voted with their feet by migrating away from Israel. There has also been a sharp decline in would-be settlers of illegally occupied lands who in the past could be lured to the illegal settlements through a combination of large houses and the racist doctrines espoused by Meir Kahane and his ilk. With a declining birth-rate for Jews, most demographers agree that within the next three decades or so, Arab Israelis will outnumber Jewish Israelis, with obvious implications for a nation that never misses an opportunity to blow its own trumpet about being the “only democracy in the Middle East” while wanting to maintain its identity as a “Jewish state”. In a democratic logic of numbers, it does not take a rocket-scientist to figure out what will happen next.

Enter the desi connection. Illegal settlers are terrified at the prospect of the declining numbers of Jews (even if they are secular Jews). Over the past few years, the more desperate settler activists have been out to convince that Indians from the Northeast regions are in reality estranged Jews who need to come back to the fold and settle in the illegal settlements. This strategy has worked to some extent. The more comical settler activists are even trying to convince the Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan that they are in reality members of the lost tribe of children of Israel and all will be forgiven if they simply come back settle in the illegally occupied territories. It is not at all clear if any Pashtun has taken up this offer. Perhaps a resident of DC Blogistan can provide some figures of the “success” rates in converting Pashtuns, through spiritual and material bribes.

Even if the success rate is high, time is against those Israelis who believe that might is right and they will always get their way. What happens in the future is anybody’s guess, but that does not stop anyone from making informed guesses. As a recent article in the New York Times indicates, many in the United States are really beginning to wonder if their governments’ unconditional support for Israel, even in the wake of attacks on the flotilla aimed at challenging the blockade of a Gaza ruled by a democratically elected government even though it happens to the repulsive Hamas earlier promoted by the Israeli state in an effort to counteract support for Arafat and Fatah. What happens next is of course anyone’s guess. But an informed guess, as opposed to literal readings of scriptures that some folks here are invested in, is that sooner or later, the United States government may stop issuing blank checks as advance rewards for Israel’s arrogant behavior.

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#1
Aaman
URL
June 8, 2010
06:07 PM

Interesting article, CS. This piece might be quite relevant

Lots of Israelis are in fact leaving Israel for those countries. (About 14,000 Israeli Jews left annually between 1990 and 2005. According to a 2007 poll, half of Israeli youth between ages 14 and 18 express the desire to live outside of Israel, which they see as having a bleak future. A huge percentage of Israelis has or plans to inquire about obtaining foreign nationality; many Europeans offer this generously to descendents of citizens who can prove their ancestry.

#2
smallsquirrel
June 8, 2010
07:31 PM

I wholeheartedly agree! It really just makes my blood boil. Additionally, one should note that lack of unconditional support for Israel's actions does not constitute antisemitism.

#3
commonsense
June 8, 2010
08:49 PM

hey Aaman and smallsquirrel,

thanks!

the "un-official" figures of Israelis migrating out of Israel, are pretty high. the claim that many folks are really "Jews" except they don't know about it, can be understood in that context.

Sorry for this silly typo; no doubt somebody will jump on it, so I might as well:

"...sooner or later, the United States government may stop issuing black [BLANK] checks as advance rewards for Israel’s arrogant behavior."

#4
ct
June 9, 2010
08:22 AM

"Over the past few years, the more desperate settler activists have been out to convince that Indians from the Northeast regions are in reality estranged Jews who need to come back to the fold and settle in the illegal settlements"

Considering the state that the Northeast is in right now this is not such a bad idea after all... Maybe then these people might get access to proper roads, electricity and something resembling a government.

"But an informed guess, as opposed to literal readings of scriptures that some folks here are invested in"

You had to add that didn't you? :)

#5
commonsense
June 9, 2010
08:47 AM

CT:

"Maybe then these people might get access to proper roads, electricity and something resembling a government."

this is the "logic" behind inducing folks from Mizoram etc. to move there as settlers. Quite a few of them have taken up the offer, but they find themselves fighting somebody else's battles, dodging bullets and sometimes being blown up by crude rockets. Some of the other settlers (the Eastern Europeans Jews etc.) also were initially attracted by the sudden tranformation in their material fortunes. But they know that the Israeli government does not hesitate to dismantle settlements when it is politically expedient - scriptures notwithstanding ;)

CT:
"But an informed guess, as opposed to literal readings of scriptures that some folks here are invested in"

yah! i forgot the lines you quoted: "door sey aagh lagaye, muskaye...."

If your informed guess is that I am making an OBLIQUE reference to Ruvy here, you are wrong. It's quite a direct reference to him :)

#6
commonsense
June 9, 2010
09:08 AM

Reuters:

"... as of next week, Israel will allow a wider variety of food, such as potato crisps, biscuits, canned fruit and packaged humors, as well as soft drinks and juice, into the Gaza Strip."

"packaged humor" should do the trick :)

#7
commonsense
June 9, 2010
09:16 AM

Typo:

"As a recent article in the New York Times indicates, many in the United States are really beginning to wonder if their governments’ unconditional support for Israel, even in the wake of attacks on the flotilla aimed at challenging the blockade of a Gaza ruled by a democratically elected government even though it happens to the repulsive Hamas earlier promoted by the Israeli state in an effort to counteract support for Arafat and Fatah."

should be:

"As a recent article in the New York Times indicates, many POLICY-MAKERS in the United States are really beginning to QUESTION their governments’ unconditional support for Israel, even in the wake of attacks on the flotilla aimed at challenging the blockade of a Gaza ruled by a democratically elected government even though it happens to the repulsive Hamas earlier promoted by the Israeli state in an effort to counteract support for Arafat and Fatah."

OK, perhaps not major typos, but correcting them adds more "comments" on my earth-shattering article and allows me to swell with childish pride at the popularity my piece :) pretty much as body-builders take pride in their steroid sculpted bodies :)

#8
Morris
June 9, 2010
02:49 PM

"With a declining birth-rate for Jews, most demographers agree that within the next three decades or so, Arab Israelis will outnumber Jewish Israelis, with obvious mplications ...."

So what is new?

I think most demographers(if they dare to) will also say that with a declining birth rate of christian europeans within the next perhaps not three but certainly a few more decades or so arab and/or muslims will outnumber chritian europeans with implications... who knows?.

So jews are not going to be able to go too far where they will once again not get surrounded by the people who hate them.

"What happens in the future is anybody’s guess, but that does not stop anyone from making informed guesses."

I agree. But our informed guess as opposed to wishful thinking would lead us to conclude that when that happenes, one by one EU countries will start becoming Islamic republics. Who knows perhaps that will be a better Europe emerging within only a few more decades after formation of Islamic republic of greater midle east that will includ the present Israel.

#9
Champaklal Bhogilal
June 9, 2010
03:40 PM

commonsense;
"Over the past few years, the more desperate settler activists have been out to convince that Indians from the Northeast regions are in reality estranged Jews who need to come back to the fold and settle in the illegal settlements. This strategy has worked to some extent."




Advances in genetics should resolve such issues in the near future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10276393.stm

Genetic study sheds light on Jewish diaspora
Page last updated at 17:34 GMT, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:34 UK
E-mail this to a friendPrintable version Most contemporary Jews descended from ancient residents of the Levant Scientists have shed light on Jewish history with an in-depth genetic study.

The researchers analysed genetic samples from 14 Jewish communities across the world and compared them with those from 69 non-Jewish populations.

Their study, published in Nature, revealed that most Jewish populations were "genetically closer" to each other than to their non-Jewish neighbours.

It also revealed genetic ties between globally dispersed Jews and non-Jewish populations in the Middle East.

This fits with the idea that most contemporary Jews descended from ancient Hebrew and Israelite residents in the Middle Eastern region known as the Levant. It provides a trace of the Jewish diaspora.

Doron Behar from Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa, Israel, led an international team of scientists in the study. He described it as a form of "genetic archaeology".

"It seems that most Jewish populations and therefore most Jewish individuals are closer to each other [at the genetic level], and closer to the Middle Eastern populations, than to their traditional host population in the diaspora," he explained.

There were exceptions to this key finding, though, as Dr Behar explained.

He said that his research revealed that Ethiopian and Indian Jewish communities were genetically closer to their neighbouring non-Jewish populations.

This may be partly because a greater degree of genetic, religious and cultural crossover took place when the Jewish communities in these areas became established.

Novel analytical techniques allowed the scientists to examine the genetic samples they took in unprecedented detail.

Dr Behar says the data from this study could aid future research into the genetic basis of diseases that are more prevalent in the Jewish population.

#10
Amitabh Mitra
URL
June 9, 2010
03:53 PM

Desperate settler activists have been out to convince township residents of our rainbow nation. Any contacts in South Africa, maybe I can help in the recruitment.
The South African ambassador was the first to be recalled.
He would go back after the finals in the Soccer World Cup.

#11
commonsense
June 9, 2010
03:53 PM

Morris:

"So what is new?

I think most demographers(if they dare to) will also say that with a declining birth rate of christian europeans within the next perhaps not three but certainly a few more decades or so arab and/or muslims will outnumber chritian europeans with implications... who knows?."

what is new is:

1. you not me is going on a tangent here.

2. the most militant of the palestinian militants have been are indeed christians (george habash, the PFLP here)

What is not new:

1. you are equating paletinans/arabs with muslims.

2. i continue responding to walls, out of basic commonsensical courtesy.

#12
commonsense
June 9, 2010
03:59 PM

Champaklal,

any claims about so-called "Jewish", "non-Jewish", "semitic", "non-semitic" genes are simply bogus. The term "Jew" is a social, not a genetic one; the religion called "Judaism" or any other religion, is a SOCIAL category, not a biological one, even though some may believe in "pure" Jews, "half" Jews etc. In other words, it is social all the way down. This does not mean that there are genetic markers in particular popoulation groups through inheritance etc. that have implications for diseases etc.

For further information, please pick up ANY book by these giants of population genetics. Luigi Sforza-Cavalli at Stanford University or Richard Lewontin at Harvard University. Anybody who talks about "arab" or "jewish" or "english" or "korean" genes is simply talking out of his or her honorable arse.

#13
commonsense
June 9, 2010
04:02 PM

Amitabh:

"Desperate settler activists have been out to convince township residents of our rainbow nation. "

hey, you serious??? you, unlike me, do not usually indulge in sarcasm :)

#14
Amitabh Mitra
URL
June 9, 2010
04:13 PM

CS Never take me seriously. Just joking.
I was just wondering that if any of these so called activists do come to South Africa, I must make a fast buck.

#15
commonsense
June 9, 2010
04:27 PM

Amitabh:

Two points:

1. please post some new poems and artwork here on DC. I may not always comment, but love your stuff (no, this is NOT pre-emptive flattery, to get you on "my side")

2. like you, i wouldn't mind making some money by minting "neo-Jews" either. It could be a classic win-win situation: folks who need plush homes would get one, and you and I get the cash. they can deal with the bombs, flying bullets and scriptural literalism. besides, if a palestinian state comes into existence, they could always convert and become arabs...a never-ending win-win situation..:)

#16
commonsense
June 9, 2010
04:29 PM

morris sahab,

please ignore comment #11. what i wanted to say is, "thank you for reading my article and agreeing wholeheartedly with me. please write an article and i will reciprocate, at least half-heartedly"

#17
Morris
June 9, 2010
04:43 PM

CS

When I said so what is new, all I was saying is that Israel is not the only country where such demographic changes will happen. You have not said any thing that refutes what I said. Of course there are christian arabs. But slowly it is becoming more and more obvious that it is Jews vs Muslims. Hey that is not going on tangent. That happens to be your main point.

#18
Morris
June 9, 2010
04:46 PM

CS

Apology for responding. Did,nt read your comment early renough.

#19
commonsense
June 9, 2010
04:55 PM

PS:

"There are nearly 5,000 people in Mizoram and the neighbouring state of Manipur who call themselves Jews, and 800 of them have already migrated to the Middle East.

Ephraim Lalmingliana, who calls himself a Mizo Jew, says he is not afraid of the violence in the West Bank or Gaza.

"I will go and settle there because I am Jew.

"Israel is my promised land and I long to go there. I have computer skills and I will surely get a job there," he told BBC News Online."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3228054.stm

#20
commonsense
June 9, 2010
04:57 PM

Dear Mr. Morris,

Please don't apologize. Like most mortals, i am not immune to flattery. And i did feel flattered after reading your comments. In fact your appreciative comments verily warmed the cockles of my heart...

#21
Morris
June 9, 2010
07:28 PM

In the long run it is not going make any difference whether 800 people or indeed all 5000 migrate to Israel. It will probably add a year or two to that three decades. My point was that demography is changing all over the world and not only the US government but other governments too will have to modify their policies.

#22
commonsense
June 9, 2010
09:24 PM

Morris,

thank you for your kind comments. it is indeed very nice of you that you have taken the time to appreciate and praise my article, even though I may not actually deserve it. But it sure does make me feel good. So, a sincere thank you and like abu ben adam, may your tribe increase.

#23
Ruvy
June 10, 2010
07:18 AM

I just stopped by to see if anything interesting had appeared on the site, and lo and behold, I found this ill-researched and misleading article here. Having published two articles of my own at the sister site, Terrorists on the Way to Gaza Stopped by IDF - Shooting Breaks out on the Boat, and News Analysis from Israel: Life Imitates Art - Talking Turkey About the Flotilla Fallout, I had been too busy to check earlier. And those two articles generated lots of comments (over 400 for one of them).

As much as I would like to spend time tearing apart this lesser effort, I unfortunately do not have time at the moment. I have to catch a bus to Jerusalem to do Sabbath shopping, and that far outweighs typing anything here in importance.

So don't delete the article! I'll be back.

#24
commonsense
June 10, 2010
09:14 AM

Ruvy:

The man of the hour. I am sure I was not the only one who wondered why you were missing in action. Will hold my breath for your return and the subsequent shredding of my piece into smithereens.

And by the way, congratulations for getting over 400 comments on your article on the same topic. in the scheme of things that really do matter in life, garnering so many comments surely ranks right at the top. hearty congratulations. Like abu ben adam, may your tribe in increase too!

Ruvy:
"And those two [MY] articles generated lots of comments (over 400 for one of them)."

who could ask for anything more! :)

#25
commonsense
June 10, 2010
09:27 AM

To get the ball rolling, here's an interesting quote from Ruvy from the article he refers to. Amidst all the skewering he receives, he does claim that:

Ruvy:

"I keep telling you Israel is NOT a democracy. You keep refusing to believe me."

Read more: http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/terrorists-on-the-way-to-gaza/comments-page-2/#comments#ixzz0qYDJHpcG

#26
commonsense
June 10, 2010
11:35 AM

hey ruvy,

c'mon over here already!!! me impatient to hear your views. pleeeaassee

#27
Amitabh Mitra
URL
June 10, 2010
12:58 PM

I had told earlier to Ruvy that he must visit South Africa one day. I want to show him our township which is the second biggest after Soweto.
He might find some similarities to Israel.

#28
commonsense
June 10, 2010
02:06 PM

Amitabh,

And while Ruvy is there, he might actually find some members of the "lost children of Israel". I encourage him to visit...

#29
commonsense
June 10, 2010
11:45 PM

of some relevance. a piece from the front page of today's New York Times:

"GAZA " Three years after Israel and Egypt imposed an embargo on this tormented Palestinian strip, shutting down its economy, a consensus has emerged that the attempt to weaken the governing party, Hamas, and drive it from power has failed.

In the days since an Israeli naval takeover of a flotilla trying to break the siege turned deadly, that consensus has taken on added urgency, with world powers, anti-Hamas Palestinians in Gaza and some senior Israeli officials advocating a shift."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/world/middleeast/11gaza.html?hp



#30
commonsense
June 11, 2010
10:55 AM

alas, waiting for ruvy is worse than "waiting for Godot". so allow me to fill in for him, since he will obviously reiterate the one size fits all situations formula - which is:

"the fact that the pashtuns and the mizos are indeed the long lost tribe and "children of israel" can only be disputed my delusional morons such as commonsense. The torah and other scriptures attest to it. God himself personally handed over the land of Israel to the "children of Israel" and any so-called aid "flotilla" is just a cover for terrorists to take away these god given rights. israel has the right, god given, one might add, to "defend" itself. the current government of Israel, appearances to the contrary, is contributing to the mess. Only the literal interpretation of the scriptures really fortells what will be outcome of everything in the end. There is no problem really, because in the end, what is foretold in the Torah will come to pass. With a little help from the Pashtuns, the Mizos, and if Amitabh Mitra helps, some South Africans too - after the World Cup is over."

I have bent over backwards (indeed I feel dizzy) in accurately representing Ruvy.

#31
commonsense
June 11, 2010
11:24 AM

relevant, re: migration of secular Jews from Israel...from a column "Modern Folly, Ancient Wisdom" by Roger Cohen in today's NYT (naturally, i have deviously selected sentences that support by viewpoint :)

"An ever larger share of the officer corps of the Israel Defense Forces comes from Orthodox or settler families. The mindset of secular Tel Aviv has migrated " as far as is feasible " to Europe and the United States.

Israel is a liberal democracy stuck in the blind alley of a morally corrupting 43-year-old occupation that has made force its reflexive mode of operation. Several factors have nudged the country rightward: religious-settler extremism; obliviousness to the Palestinian plight now concealed behind walls;

What Israel in turn must realize " before it is too late " is that the real threat it faces today is not one of destruction but of de-legitimization. Its tactical lurches, often violent, do not add up to a strategy; they have resulted in a shocking erosion of Israel’s stature. I was talking the other day to the Israeli ambassador to a West European nation and he complained that he could rarely set foot on a university campus these days. Universities represent the future.

The only way to re-legitimize Israel and integrate it is an end to the occupation and the achievement of a two-state solution, with Israel as the homeland for the Jewish people and Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people.

But Israel emphatically cannot do this, ever, by succumbing to a deeper and giddier embrace of those terrible twins, victimhood and force " terrible because at once addictive and blinding."


#32
commonsense
June 11, 2010
11:50 AM

from a column in NYT by Tony Judt, named after his aunt Toni who died in the Holocaust:

"THE Israeli raid on the Free Gaza flotilla has generated an outpouring of clichés from the usual suspects. It is almost impossible to discuss the Middle East without resorting to tired accusations and ritual defenses: perhaps a little house cleaning is in order.

Perhaps the most common defense of Israel outside the country is that it is “the only democracy in the Middle East.” This is largely true: the country has an independent judiciary and free elections, though it also discriminates against non-Jews in ways that distinguish it from most other democracies today. The expression of strong dissent from official policy is increasingly discouraged.

But the point is irrelevant. “Democracy” is no guarantee of good behavior: most countries today are formally democratic " remember Eastern Europe’s “popular democracies.” Israel belies the comfortable American cliché that “democracies don’t make war.” It is a democracy dominated and often governed by former professional soldiers: this alone distinguishes it from other advanced countries. And we should not forget that Gaza is another “democracy” in the Middle East: it was precisely because Hamas won free elections there in 2005 that both the Palestinian Authority and Israel reacted with such vehemence.

But there is. As American officials privately acknowledge, sooner or later Israel (or someone) will have to talk to Hamas. From French Algeria through South Africa to the Provisional I.R.A., the story repeats itself: the dominant power denies the legitimacy of the “terrorists,” thereby strengthening their hand; then it secretly negotiates with them; finally, it concedes power, independence or a place at the table. Israel will negotiate with Hamas: the only question is why not now."



#33
commonsense
June 11, 2010
11:52 AM

wow! i have 31 comments in two days!!! (shhh nobody knows that most of them are comments made my me to boost my sagging self-esteem)

#34
Morris
June 11, 2010
01:33 PM

CS

Just cool it man. There is'nt much in what you have said. I don't think there is much to daisagree. So people are not commenting. Just relax and have fun. Enjoy.

#35
commonsense
June 11, 2010
01:42 PM

Morris my friend,

always appreciate your appreciative comments. that makes it comment # 35!! yay!

#36
Amitabh Mitra
URL
June 11, 2010
02:17 PM

Bafana Bafana has won and I would like to quote

Israel may not have qualified for the World Cup, but the nation is still footie obsessed and on edge " as the domestic season comes to a close. But are footie fans in Israel too obsessed? Violent, even? Racist?

The Vuvuzelas are honking outside, I sit and wonder at my extreme luck, to be in a country where I saw the first dawn of democracy, the Rugby World Cup, the Soccer World Cup and shaken hands with Mr. Nelson Mandela.

#37
Champaklal Bhogilal
June 11, 2010
02:43 PM

Dr Mitra,

You jumped the gun. Its a draw, which for a superior team like Mexico is almost a loss.

#38
Aaman
URL
June 11, 2010
02:47 PM

Dr Mitra, we would look forward to articles from you on Bafana Bafana, the general mood, matches, etc

#39
Amitabh Mitra
URL
June 11, 2010
05:08 PM

Its just like winning, the country is swamped with such feverish excitement that nobody has seen since very long.
Feel sorry for people who didnt watch the Bafana Bafana score the historic goal against Mexico today. Bafana's win has brought relevance to our unified faith commanding the world's diversity in every aspect.
Go Bafana, Go, Go, Go

Yes Aman, I would be writing about the Congolese naughty girl Zapinette and her gay Uncle who have come to watch the World Cup from Paris through the pen of Albert Russo and which we were priviledged to publish in his hilarious book Zulu Zappy Wins the Rainbow Nation.
I would be watching the finals at Johannesburg with my friends from Gwalior who would be arriving, I would be talking about those moments too.

#40
commonsense
June 11, 2010
07:54 PM

Dr Mitra,

Poor Nelson Mandela's daughter's sudden death puts a bit of a damper...

Lucky you, enjoying the soccer feast. Do write up your impressions of it, in the form of a poem and art-work!

#41
commonsense
June 11, 2010
08:07 PM

life would be tough without delusions:

"US Defense Secretary Robert Gates insists the Nato-led force in Afghanistan is regaining the initiative from insurgents."

#42
commonsense
June 11, 2010
10:06 PM

Ruvy:

"So don't delete the article! I'll be back."

Promises, promises!!!

#43
commonsense
June 11, 2010
10:09 PM

Ruvy:

"I found this ill-researched and misleading article here."

not surprising since i have no direct access to god, nor am i a believer in religious texts from the Torah to the Quran. so, i must make-do with the information available to all mere mortals that excludes you.


"Having published two articles of my own at the sister site..."

self-advertisements usually sell

#44
commonsense
June 12, 2010
11:06 AM

Ruvy,

Unfortunately you have overshot the clock, so any comments from you will now not count.

this is for you:

"And yet we know well
Even hatred of vileness
Distorts a man’s features.
Even anger at injustice
Makes hoarse his voice. Ah, we
Who desired to prepare the soil for kindness
Could not ourselves be kind."

Bertold Brecht; 1938

#45
Ruvy
June 12, 2010
04:31 PM

Alas, waiting for Ruvy is worse than "waiting for Godot"....

Obviously, you would make a very impatient Jew, very susceptible to the many false messiahs who have arisen over the centuries. Your "time limits" don't really interest me.

Well, it's time to tear out the baloney in this ill researched lesser work, and toss it in the trash bin, where it belongs. CS, I must suggest that you stick to things where you actually know what you are talking about, like men defecating in the streets of Delhi, or physics (perhaps the Delhi article was actually an analysis of physics on the digestive systems of certain residents of said city?).

I'll give further consideration to your last paragraph in a further comment, as it is impossible to provide more than three links per comment on this particular medium. But as a writer and editor, I suggest you consider that using the same phrase, "It's anyone's guess," more than once in a paragraph, ought to be avoided.

The entire first paragraph of this article is a straight out lie.

The following articles reflect reality.

This report is from Arutz Sheva in Sept. 2006.

This is from Arutz Sheva in the beginning of 2008.

This report is from the Jerusalem Post, June 2010.

Each of the above articles indicates that the population of Judea and Samaria has been growing faster than that of the rest of the Jewish population of the State of Israel. And they all point to the fact that the percentage of the population here remains stable, or continues to grow.

The bottom line here is simple. While Israelis do leave here for foreign countries, those numbers are starting to reverse - as Jews come home seeking better work conditions than they find in unemployment-ridden America.

Speaking as someone who lives here, I can tell you that for the most part, people are moving here to Judea and Samaria, simply because living is cheaper here. The biggest growth areas are Ariel, Ma'ale Adumim and Beitar Illit.

Aaman's poll, (no links, I notice) is from a time when the economy here seemed less healthy than the economy overseas. The world economy is a whole different ball game, these days. If I were a native born Israeli, the last places I'd want to live in are Europe or America. I might be willing to live in Australia - but would note the ban on kosher slaughter in New Zealand and the distinct possibility of Australian states following suit.

Elsewhere, Aaman linked to an article in Counterpunch. The false allegation by Aaman - and the fact that nobody has even looked carefully at his sources - shows how carefully everyone reads here. There are no numbers to be seen at "the numbers" Aaman links to - all there is is a lot of the precise kind of Jew-hatred that Helen Thomas was so kind to summarize in a mere minute or so, along with all the leftist assumptions of fact - which are almost all lies.

#46
Ruvy
June 12, 2010
04:48 PM

Now let's look at the second paragraph of this pathetic screed.

The b'nei menashe who come from Eastern India are not converted by us. Their own leader decided that they were descendants of the Tribe of Menashe and that they should live in Israel. While, Israelis have helped them in the process of conversion, Jews have not proselytized. We do not proselytize and generally find the practice repulsive.

Are the b'nei menashe actually descendants of the Tribe of Menashe? I have no idea. Neither does anyone else, for that matter. A attempt to get DNA from the bones of the Patriarch Joseph (Menashe's father) would cause such a huge controversy, and so many riots that it would not be worth the effort, were it to be suggested.

As for the Pashtun, those convinced of the tribal links to have come to us, not the other way round. They call themselves bani israil and the names of many of the Pashtun tribes suggest Israelite tribes, such as Afridi (Efraim), Yusufzai (Joseph), Rabanizai (Reuven). There are enough Israelite customs recorded amongst the Pashtun to indicate that there is some kind of a link between us.

In any event, they are not Jews. Even were they to abandon Islam, particularly the Wahhabi garbage that some follow as part of the Taliban, and revert to merely following the Pashtunwali, which is in reality a version of the Torah, they would be Israelites. They are not part of the tribe of Judah, nor the tribes that merged with it, and therefore are not Jews.

#47
Ruvy
June 12, 2010
05:19 PM

Finally, we come to the last paragraph of this - well words, don't fail me, but polite ones that would not be construed as a personal attack do - so we'll call it an "article", to be polite.

According to Debkafiles, The Turkish AK of regime Recep Erdogan has replaced its intelligence chiefs with Wahhabists loyal to him personally. At the end of May, before the first flotilla was taken over, Turkish soldiers had been sent to Turkish Cyprus to back up the ships at sea. Apparently, according to the Mossad (Debkafiles is the Mossad's "leaky back door"), these soldiers were not used because Erdogan was threatened by Obama (surprise, surprise!).

I looks like the Turks want war. In fact, it appears, this war may already be in progress. The Arab "frogmen" who tried to covertly attack Israel are part of a larger fight, with Israeli operatives stirring up trouble in Turkish Kurdistan. This is a developing story, and one worth eying closely.

The Samson Blinded Blog, offers a somewhat darker view of all this, and offers it from an entirely different perspective - the one far closer to the one I usually take in viewing the Israeli government and its actions. This is put by a man who is no namby-pamby leftist or peacenik.

In his comments you find all the standard anti-Israel memes about piracy on the high seas, etc., etc. But the money lines comes at the end of his analysis.

The world was also surprisingly prepared. Germany, unwilling to see Jews return to Bavaria, is normally our staunch ally. Yet, the German PM condemned Israel immediately, though the Marines acted in self-defense. The French, Italians, and nearly everyone else followed suit immediately, though the casualties, even if inflicted on peace-loving civilians, were minuscule by anyone’s standards, certainly by the standards of the NATO countries fighting in Afghanistan. Completely ignored was the fact that the ‘peaceniks’ attacked the Marines rather than vice-versa.??

Obama is a special case. His honey-sweet invitation to Netanyahu was immediately suspect. Okay, Obama needed to repair his relations with America’s Jewish community, but what is the point of a hollow meeting? Obama can remove his feet from the table while speaking with Netanyahu, but he will still be pressing the Jewish state to abandon Jerusalem and live with a nuclear Iran"not a big deal, indeed, since a life like that wouldn’t be long. Then, conveniently, came the Gaza flotilla debacle, and the scheduled meeting was abandoned. Instead, the US State Department joined the chorus of international condemnation of Israel. Tell me that Obama did not know about the impending debacle.

Such string of operational errors in a simple intercept could have happened on its own - in which case, the government is guilty of criminal stupidity. More likely, Israeli leftist establishment framed Netanyahu.

The last time there was such a provocation against Netanyahu’s government, it cost us Hebron. Let’s see what concessions they ask for this time.

#48
Ruvy
June 12, 2010
05:46 PM

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#49
smallsquirrel
June 12, 2010
06:11 PM

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#50
Ruvy
June 12, 2010
06:32 PM

I have responded here to what is truly a lesser effort by one of the writers in falsely portraying reality here. I have added basic elements of the political situation here, so that those who are interested can see reality for themselves. I have leveled personal attacks at nobody writing here, and have attempted to inject a little humor into my comments as well.

If clear political commentary is to be edited out, I'll not bother commenting further on this piece of trash. I'll not have bigoted editors here waste my time or effort.

Good day.