Mis-Governance in India And The Death of Faith

"The entire nation had watched the disturbing brutality, a wounded unconscious Prof, the “guru brahma guru vishnu guru devo maheshwara� being carried inside an ambulance. Broad day light 100s of on lookers. Yet they couldn’t find one witness to make a strong prosecution.
I wonder what happened to the Indian cultural sensitivity that BJP talks about all the time?"

I thought in Indian culture Guru is held heighest even before God. Truly shameful.


"They didn’t come together after 26/11 Mumbai terror attack, they didn’t come together after 9/11, this is an issue far more important to them."


Yes infact many religious heads did come forward and condemned the attacks of 26/11. But what has happened in MP is utterly shameful.

"The DMRC in its over eagerness to complete the project by 2010 is ready to compromise on safety norms and workers lose their lives. DMRC chief jumped gun and gave resignation, a calm fair maid Sheila Dixit came on TV and mentioned how DMRC cannot survive without him."


DMRC is not in a hurry to complete the project. It’s the govt. because of the commonwealth games. DMRC will not survive without Sreedharan, even the public agrees to that and vouch for his sincerity. Its most likely the contracting company, “Gammon India� and not DMRC which is at fault. The truth will comeout in sometime.

Snigdha,

That's right, I didn't mean Sreedharan is not sincere, even I think he is one of the most honest and sincere people we have. And ya it probably is Gammon India, or some body at even a lower level who skipped some safety measure merely out of laziness w/o realizing its outcome... anything is possible

It was also Gammon which was undertaking the flyover constuction in Hyderabad which collapsed some 2 years ago.

Sanjukta,

14 women out of 152 were were tested as carrying. Is it ethical for them to hide pregnancy , what about the grooms? did they know?

while i accept virginity tests smacks of patriachy, it is not looking at deciet employed against grooms. Is it ethical for women who are more or less into 4-6 weeks and know they are preganant. I dont know if they were marrying known people but if it were arranged marriage, it is unethical.

BJP's stand in alcohol control is wrong. I used to stay in Gujarat and we would get alcohol delivered to our hostels whenever we want. It is known that tourists can get alcohol in Gujarat. another patriachy stunt to deny men their freedom in the name of vice control.

why witness dont come? You are lawyer, you know why? Money is the biggest factor why people approach court these days and hene it is like sweets hidden with swarms of insects, thereby making sweets less pleasant.

DMRC accidents happen everyhwere, the thing we are concerned here is not lives lost but the timeline for commonwealth games.

Dowry cases/matrimonial cases in this country take years and years while murder case gets solves in 1.5 years.

why? money ?

Slime,

The entire mass marriage thing is stupid and ugly. I really dont have the mindspace to judge what is more unethical. This is marriage? Government / politicians treating human as cattles / furnitures putting on wholesale with discount, some kind of annual clearing sale, this is not marriage. And we all know whey they give these annual discounts, these clearing sale, some pieces are always defective in these lots.

But then I should blame those girls and guys who allowed themselves to be treated as cattle, perhaps they do it for few thousand rupees. I don't know what to say about this crazy urge to get married in the first place.

But most importantly...any kind of physical test performed on women in a public event whether for virginity or pregnancy is just abhoring.

I cannot even write what I feel its so disturbing.

Why weren't the men tested for HIV and other STD?

Yes Sanjukta,

these men who agree to marry in mass must be subject to all tests like STD, HIV and also their marriage certificates examined. Nor I trust these men or women who allow such traditions in the name of money. shame.

Indian has more than a billion people.

If there is mis-governance, then these billion people would have gone to the street to protest.

As 99.9% of people are peacefully sleeping, which shows that there is absolutely no mis-governance or miscarriage of justice in India.

How many people are talking about judicial reforms or insisting on judges to declare their assets?

Very few. That means, we have got the best judiciary in the world.

How many people are holding the Government accountable for regular custodial deaths in Bangalore and rapes by police in Kashmir?

Very few. Which means, there are no custodial deaths or rapes by police.

How many people are demanding a dedicated helpline to stop dowry (similar to Anti-Ragging helpline).

Very Few. So, that means, there is no dowry taking or giving in India.

Govt and Judiciary are a Just a Reflection of People and Society.

India has the WORST judicial system in the world not to mention the most rotten and corrupt. When one decides to take the help of law , one is shocked to find out how innocent victims are treated by the police, judges and canned by lawyers and the entire judicial gang.
This I speak from my own personal experience.

The attitude is more ‘lets try to get out of this jamela, you’ll get grey hair but there will be no justice, no reforms , no changes etc’.

Even a swine flu that shook the world and spread panic, did not wake India up from its slumber. It’s astonishing to see people celebrating when some gay reforms are passed which are not even significant to any change. Honestly, I at least never saw any gays getting victimized. Do u think the cops really care if someone was having gay sex in their bedroom, for heaven’s sake, cops don’t even care if a man hangs himself, for them it’s a pain to make a report. Period. The point is the gay reforms only happened because India wanted to play copy-cat and show the world that they are on top of their equality â€"game.

I think people who spend time hoping to bring around some changes, my honest suggestion to them is to get a life…( I spent 5 yrs trying to get justice and till today await it) and this advise is to you Sumanth as well.
I spent 9 yrs of my youth and college life, aggressively participating in politics, go-green orgs, social orgs, each of them are corrupt to the core. We have unions and quotas for everything…and we call ourselves secular and democratic!!??!! How???

But the police take the cake away…and Indian Judges are forever on a bizarre vacation shamelessly. If every city has 10 judges, we need atleast (atleast) 500 more judges in each city around the clock to dispose off cases in no less than 6 months of non-stop work. Some of the cases are pending since 20 yrs…pity those people. Unfortunately people who’ve not had any interaction with police or law, simply don’t fathom what is going on. In fact I would like to tell them Ignorance is bliss….

Currently India is surviving on a puppet show and “chalta hai� attitude.

Sam, funny how you go on about wanting social and political reforms but think the infringement on the rights of a minority are of little consequence.

The result of the Sabharwal case was due to the inefficacy of the law enforcement agencies and not the judiciary. The public prosecutor is backed by the government and the police. Failure on their (govt) part to put forward evidence does not mean the justice system is at fault. If proper evidence was produced by the government and yet the accused went free, that would be a failed judiciary.

I do not understand the whole point of the post, it seems like a babble lamenting on bad news stories with an exaggerated title. Is all this really 'misgovernance'?

Ajay,

You still trust the Indian judiciary, which has 2.6 crore pending cases in all courts.

In High courts alone there are 39 lac cases pending and 33,000 cases pending in Supreme Court. At current rate of disposal, it will take 350 years to clean up these cases from high courts and supreme courts.

These statements are not from me, but from Transparency International Global Corruption Report 2007.

Courts can always take police to task, if the police does not do their job. Please note, after a case or FIR is filed, the Court takes over and instructs the police to complete investigation and submit the chargesheet. So, police is answerable to court.

If this is the state of high profile cases in India, then one can think what may be happening to millions of poor and illiterate people seeking justice.

Indian democracy is a fucking joke.

What the hell that fellow Manmohan doing in Paris? He is sleeping over Judicial reforms for last 6 years.

Why the hell P.Chidambaram, home minister is silent and is not doing "police reforms"?

No wonder, there are millions poor people sympathise with Naxals, who believe there is no democracy in India and they have nothing to do with this terrorist Nation State India.

If million of poor people get completely alienated from Democracy and Indian State, no police or Army can fight it out.

The root cause of naxalism is injustice and brutalities by police and politicians.

Let me also come to Lawyers and Bar Councils.

Recently, a Lawyer slapped a Judges in court room in Delhi. It is criminals, who have taken on being lawyers now.

Hundreds of Lawyers indulge in hooliganism and stone pelting in Chennai high Court premises.

The Lawyers extort lacs of rupees from people even for bails and join with opponent lawyers and damage cases.

When CrPC amendments 41 were passed by President of India, the lawyers and Bar Councils saw loss of easy bail business and created nuisance.

Govt has not yet implemented these amendments, even after 6 months of President signing it. Is this democracy?

40 lac arrested every year in India are unnecessary or unjustified. Yet, Lawyers think they are the masters of the people in this country.

Today, judges do not want to declare their assets. They say, if they declare their assets under right to information act (RTI act), then they will face "frivolous litigation".

What are judges afraid of?

We, the citizens are paying taxes and Judges get salary from the taxes that we pay. Why we should not have a right to know the assets of judges?

Is so called Great NDTV Channel or Barkha Dutt talking about this?

Because, its a whole nexus.

Dowry is a social evil. I have not seen NDTV conduct any debate on Dowry since last 2 years.

Why?

Because, Dowry increases consumer sentiments and GDP and the Corporates want Dowry System to Stay. NDTV is a part of corporate Media.

In fact, NDTV is promoting big Fat Indian Marriages and Costly Swayamvaras by burying issues like dowry.

Marriage expenses and Dowry boost economy. If two families together spend just an average 1 lac on marriage expenses and on purchase of goods/dowry items, then it is:

1 lac x 75 lac marriages per year

= 150,000 crores per year.

Today, Corporates are responsible for Dowry Evil. Corporates control media and if they wanted they could have taken social responsibility. However they prefer profits over misery they cause to people.

Ajay,

Please read again, I said death of faith in 'justice system' and NOT 'judiciary'. If I had to blame the court and judges alone I would have used the word judiciary. Public prosecutor, police investigation, evidence collection, etc are all part of the whole justice system.

I am a lawyer myself no one need to teach me the significance of the words I use.

About the point of the post, I am sure you know better.

Sumanth, I have not read your comment yet, will do and respond in a while.

Deepti,

Change your perspective, there are no minorities, everyone is just a plain human being born in a free India and can assert their choices(sometimes with difficulty and sometimes not). Some are born with some perks or into good families, however; opportunities are there for everyone to become someone, to achieve something.

Get out of that minority syndrome, haven't our politicians exploited it(and us) enough, that we have have schools and colleges become victims of quotas, thereby depriving qualified students admissions!! And now there are talks about doing the same for private orgs???

My remarks were more about the legal system that lets go of criminals example, Jessical Lal case, Priya Mattoo case and now Prof Sabharwal to just name a very few. Sanjay Dutt, Salman Khan are some of the celebrities who exploit the loop holes and evade court dates to the maximum.

It was only when my family member had to seek legal recourse, did I see and endure the reality of how far behind we are. People die but get no justice.

Sanjukta: "I am a lawyer myself no one need to teach me the significance of the words I use."

Oh! pardon me your highness, a thousand apologies for having the temerity to say something on your post.

My point on the term judiciary was based not just on your post but also on the comments (#8). Surely in an open blog one is allowed to also address others comments.
But then, hey, who am I to teach you?

"I am a lawyer myself no one need to teach me the significance of the words I use."

wow, way to win friends and influence people.

What is funny is that on another thread you accused me of being patronizing, yet here you are openly hostile and rude. Since you are a lawyer, maybe you can cut those of us who are not a small break. Ajay asked a reasonable question and instead of answering him you attacked him about his word usage.

Furthermore, I was not aware that a JD carried along with it a PhD in semantics. (rolls eyes)

Sam, you aren't the only one who faced legal hassles and more so thats why you should understand the powerlessness when basic rights are denied.

Get your thinking straight man. It isn't about being human but one human denying basic rights to another. Thats the battle.

Deepti,

Dont circumvent the thought...get over your minority syndrome and pity and appeasing attitude. Be more liberal and pratical.

Everyone born in free India has equal rights.

Like I said, this is my opinion.."Gay rights reforms really weren't for the gays welfare but more of India showing the world that they too are on top of it...supporting gays".

No one spoke especially not me about denying them any rights..so I dont know where you get these illusions from!!

And for one gays weren't powerless or anything...

Get your thinking or at least reading skills accurate.

The judicial system in India is really screwed up.

Deepti,

One human can deny basic rights to another, when international organisations like UN do it.

In most countries America, Europe or Asia, religious freedom is denied and millions of people are considered virtually second class citizens based on their race or religion.

For example, in countries like France, they define any religious or even non-religious group they are unfamiliar with, as a cult and ban them without even giving them an opportunity to defend themselves.

Denying rights to people have become an international standard practice.

Regarding Homosexuals, the goal by corporate funded feminists is to break family system to increase GDP.

The issue is more to do with quarterly profits than to do with freedom of individuals.

The research on homosexuality is extremely vague and a person like me can not trust research sources in west on face value.

There are claims that 2% to 20% people have homosexual tendencies. Fine. Then, are all these genetic or behavioral? If both, then what are the percentages?

If 3% people are genetically homosexuals and another 10% get homosexual tendencies for 30% of times, then what should be done? Should they be cured by Baba Ramdev or should they be given training in a special Homo Promotion Center to become 100% gays?

Can a bisexual be allowed to have the choice of living with two different persons of opposite genders so that he can get his individual rights based on his moods?

The boundaries in all such cases are fuzzy.

In a famous movie "FIRE" played by two feminist actors, it has been shown how two sex starved neglected women take to lesbianism.

As Homosexuals and feminists fight against Conservatives, that's good for men as legal system and govt grapples with new issues and will leave men in peace for some more time.

One scratches the surface and sees controversies and hypocrisy, when it comes to gay rights.

Every individual should have a right to freedom in this world, where 99% people love to deny rights to others knowingly or unknowingly.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/04/23/o.women.leave.menfor.women/

"In the past few years, Sex and the City's Cynthia Nixon left a boyfriend after a decade and a half and started dating a woman (and talked openly about it)."

"That said, of the recent high-profile cases, it's Cynthia Nixon's down-to-earth attitude that may have blazed a trail for many women. In 1998, when "Sex and the City" debuted on HBO, she was settled in a long-term relationship with Danny Mozes, an English professor, with whom she had two children."

What happened? Did her genes change from Hetero to Homo?

It hints that some people may turn homosexual at age of 45 or 50.

The feminist on one hand openly claim that marriage is an oppressive institution. On the other hand, the same set of feminists champion about highly publicized marriages between homosexuals.

"It hints that some people may turn homosexual at age of 45 or 50."

OMG! good thing you are not in science, sumanth. it does not hint at this at all. what it hints at is the fact that sexuality is not a fixed point and most of us are not wholly homo- or heterosexual.

but thanks for the really, really good laugh.

BTW, do you actually believe the crap you type out? Because you're starting to be like the DC version of the Colbert Report. Only not as witty, sadly.

SS, don't you know anything that is not connected to 498a is feminist agenda!

Sam, either you are deliberately being obtuse or simply refuse to understand that the constitution of India does not allow infringement of rights of citizens of India.

Even a swine flu that shook the world and spread panic, did not wake India up from its slumber. It’s astonishing to see people celebrating when some gay reforms are passed which are not even significant to any change. Honestly, I at least never saw any gays getting victimized. Do u think the cops really care if someone was having gay sex in their bedroom, for heaven’s sake, cops don’t even care if a man hangs himself, for them it’s a pain to make a report. Period. The point is the gay reforms only happened because India wanted to play copy-cat and show the world that they are on top of their equality �"game.

A law on paper is still a law and acts like a Damocles sword that can used any time. It is a draconian law that has no place in our constitution.

Just because you as a heterosexual man haven't seen a gay man being discriminated against doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Your personal feelings against the law or about the community are of no consequence but the existence of the law is.

And either way I have nothing left to say to you on this topic as you are deliberately being anal.

Deepti,

You don’t have paste my comment...make an effort to read the comment in whole versus reading it out of context.

It is loud and clear even to a 5th grader that my reference is towards the injustice done to Prof Sabharwal. I also further refer and elaborate on the fact the huge amount of abnormal time it takes to get justice in India. And of the main reasons behind that is because our judges in India are on a ridiculous 5months vacation each year. Instead, I would prefer them to spend time on disposing of criminal cases where death has occurred versus gay reforms. This is MY opinion totally based on what issues I feel our important to TACKLE since we have such limited resources i.e. judges(in my original comment I made a mention of getting randomly 500 extra judges) and limited working-time of judges as well. I would prefer victims to get justice who’ve lost their family member by murder or even rape victims and I expect the judges to do a good fair job(unlike Prof Sabhawal case).

I know what a law on paper means ..,. studied it for many years and endured it as well. So kindly refrain from misconstruing my comment and making dumb judgments on me. I choose to reserve my opinion on gays coz I don’t think so anyone has to make an issue about it and neither do I want to point fingers at someone who thinks otherwise. I totally believe that everyone born in free India has equal rights. Great for them ..for the reform.

And you are wrong, my personal opinion does matter and I will express it contrary to your belief. I choose not to be a spectator like you. I will talk about bad laws, terrible judicial system etc. And lady, you have no clue about my sexual orientation either. So take a back seat on that one….lest you feel embarrassed.

I hope you get it this time….otherwise, give it a rest and chill.

And lady, you have no clue about my sexual orientation either. So take a back seat on that one….lest you feel embarrassed.

Embarassed about your sexual orientation? Now why would whatever you do in the privacy of your bedroom be any of my business but if you do want to flesh it out in public just to make me blush you could try but failure is 100% assured.

Deepti,

No kidding huh...are you having a bad day...do come back and read ur comments a little later...
Please pick ur bone with someone else. :)

Whatever happened to the infringement cause?

"sexuality is not a fixed point and most of us are not wholly homo- or heterosexual."

Does a person's percentage of homo- or heterosexuality change over lifetime?

If yes, then what is the range and what are triggers?

For example, a person can be 55% home and 45% heterosexual? Can that change? Is there a "scientific" homo-measurement meter?

It is a Corporate are after increasing quarterly profits and they lobby to change the Govt policies and the way people think. Today, it is corporates that mostly control feminist agenda.

So, it is a corporate agenda to break family system, so that there will be purchase of more Real estate, more cars, more TVs and more household articles.

So, they used feminists to propagate the notion that family is an oppressive institution.

The economists have researched for decades to design this agenda geared towards very short term "optimisation" and have used feminists, global economic forums and media to propagate their agenda.

So, on a short term, they profit and on long run societies suffer.

It is just similar to the way industrialization boosts economy on short run and destroys environment on a long run.

The short term optimisation has to stop.

Businessmen have to stop controlling world's policies as they will convert world into a sick and polluted place.

Homosexual issue is a stepping stone for furthering the goals of business establishments.

No homosexual will benefit out of all this publicity.

Research has shown that today's women in western countries are unhappier than their grandmothers.

What happened after these 4 decades of feminist revolution and change?

"Research has shown that today's women in western countries are unhappier than their grandmothers."

How does it matter what the research shows. The liberals on their behalf can always decide that they are happy. So they will be happy. Hardly matters what those unhappy women think !!!!