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The Catholic Church Once Again Proves It Cares More About Dogma than Humans

March 12, 2009
smallsquirrel

A shocking report out of Brazil details the saddening situation of a nine year old girl who was repeatedly raped by her step-father. The young child became pregnant with twins, and her mother decided that the best thing for the child was to have an abortion.

When the Catholic diocese of Recife, Brazil heard of this act, the Archbishop excommunicated the doctor who performed the procedure, the team that assisted him and the mother of the assaulted child.

The stepfather, who committed the brutal raped and impregnated a child was allowed to remain in the church.

To add insult to injury, Archbishop Don Jose Cardoso Sobrinho added the following statement: "A graver act than (rape) is abortion, to eliminate an innocent life."

This whole situation proves to me that the Catholic church is much more interested in rhetoric and dogma than it is in the physical and spiritual well-being of its parishioners. They have offered no support to this child, this horribly abused and now physically and mentally broken child. But they will publicly pass judgment on her. And yet they take no stand against a man who is a pedophile and a rapist. The church need not change its views on abortion, but in extreme cases such as the well-being of a nine year old child, it is perhaps appropriate that they remain on the sidelines. Or maybe they could offer counseling to the family. Something, anything other than criticism, rhetoric and hateful judgment.

In my eyes it does not get more depraved and disgusting than this. This act by the Archbishop is not only indefensible, it is also inexcusable. The church is supposed to be a refuge for people to bring them closer to God. It is not meant to stand in judgment publicly and turn an already bad situation into a heinous media circus.

And perhaps not surprisingly, the Vatican has decided to stand behind the decision of the Archbishop. Not really newsworthy, as it recently defended the Holocaust-denying Bishop, and reinstated him into the church even though he continued to espouse anti-semetic and generally offensive views.

The Catholic Church has sunk to the lowest of the low.

Smallsquirrel is a born ranter. She is an Italian who moved to India by way of the US to be with her husband, a native Bangalorean. She loves bacon and rava masala dosa in equal measure, but certainly not in the same meal.
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#1
Deepa Krishnan
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March 12, 2009
12:10 PM

My point of view is that mother and child and the doctors and nurses are all better off without Christianity, or at least the version of Christianity that the church preaches.

A while ago, I jettisoned whatever I did not like about Hinduism, while retaining my personal version of it's spiritual and philosophical essence.

If I were anywhere near that mother, I would tell her to do the same. Forget the effing church.

#2
Ledzius
March 12, 2009
12:46 PM

There was a similar case of a 14-year old girl in Ireland back in 1992 who was initially refused to travel out of Ireland to get an abortion.

Catholicism sucks. The papacy is evil incarnate.

#3
kaffir
March 12, 2009
12:53 PM

Ledzius, but they help the poor, uneducated and sick in India, and dare to go to tribal areas where no one wants to go. Surely, such bravery and caring for others, as well as spreading and ingraining Catholic ideas about abortion in Indian population is commendable, no?

#4
Ledzius
March 12, 2009
12:56 PM

I agree, in spreading their religion, their modus operandi is somewhat better than that of Islam.

#5
smallsquirrel
March 12, 2009
01:00 PM

I would say that there are some laypeople in the church that do commendable things. while I do not agree in proselytizing, I do think that some of the outreach programs are worthwhile.

And many individual priests and parishioners are good people. It is just that many of the higher-ups are apparently psychopaths.

#6
kaffir
March 12, 2009
01:00 PM

Ledzius, I was being somewhat facetious with my comment #3.

#7
kerty
March 12, 2009
02:41 PM

Church, like government and corporations, have to make policies and take policy level decisions - their decisions have to be based on their declared policies. They can not make case by case decisions. It can become overwhelming, unmanageable, unprincipled, biased, corrupt. If government were to make case by case decisions, we would jump on it and call it all kinds of names.

So for the church, abortion is a policy decision - church does not want to get entangled with individual circumstances under which abortions can be justified. Church rightfully decides not to deal with the issue at that level. Now if you like, church would be more than happy to come up with policies to deal with individual circumstances that lead to abortions - but same people would not appreciate church stepping over secular and sexular matters.

#8
Morris
March 12, 2009
02:48 PM

They consider abortion as killing of human being. Once you accept that without any ifs and buts it is simpmy black and white. There are no gray areas. As far as the father is concerned their contention is that the law of the land will punish him. He has broken such a law. And since the law of the land will not punish the doctor, his team and the mother the Church takes upon itself to punish them. It makes sense. Does'nt it?

#9
smallsquirrel
March 12, 2009
02:55 PM

sorry, no it does not make sense. they are publically carrying out judgement against a CHILD. it is appalling. I mean, I do not expect them to endorse the abortion. but I would expect that given the heinousness of the situation that they might offer something other than rhetoric. they did not offer counseling, help, support... NOTHING. they offered a press statement and additional grief to an already troubled family. that is sheer bullshit. and if you know anything about the church, you would know that they were not obligated to excommunicate anyone over this matter. Instead of simply telling the people involved that they were saddened by the decision, they decided to take the most harsh action possible, excommunication, and to do so PUBLICLY. they also made a conscious decision NOT to excommunicate the pedophile responsible for the crime.

complete and utter hypocrisy and blatant disregard for anything other than dogma.

#10
kerty
March 12, 2009
03:03 PM

Ledz

If the poison is bitter, I would also like it with honey!

#11
Hardik
March 12, 2009
03:20 PM

I see the world burn before me. The Church is making us fight amongst ourselves. Not just the church. Any religion for that matter. It's unnecessary. It's evil.

#12
Slime_id
March 12, 2009
03:30 PM

why does any religion not have woman as priests. I am not aware of Christian religion, but I assume nuns are still sub-ordinate to Fathers and Bishops.

Is it because they are considered unclean due to the menstrual cycles? or is it because Men are Chavinistic when its comes to Power, including Religious power?

I believe this is one area where western feminism has not ventured enough.

#13
Slime_id
March 12, 2009
03:32 PM

why does any religion not have woman as priests. I am not aware of Christian religion, but I assume nuns are still sub-ordinate to Fathers and Bishops.

Is it because they are considered unclean due to the menstrual cycles? or is it because Men are Chavinistic when its comes to Power, including Religious power?

I believe this is one area where western feminism has not ventured enough.

#14
Morris
March 12, 2009
04:22 PM

SS
I am not sure whether the Church is doing nothing for the child. Just because it was not reported that does not mean they are doing nothing. Perhaps they are. Excommunicaiotns are necessary to demontrate the gravity of the act i.e abortion which is graver than rape.

I agree with you. But I think it is necessary for us to understand their views. Or at least let us try to see where they are coming from. Is it so bad to see right and wrong without any ifs and buts? Those who see grays often are unable to determine where the line is. Black and white people know exactly where the line is. There advantages and disadvantages on both sides.




#15
smallsquirrel
March 12, 2009
04:55 PM

slime ID... wtf?!?!? feminism has not done enough? women have lobbied the church for ages to get some rights, but to no avail. it has nothing to do with unclean, it is simply chauvinsim and the church refuses to budge. blaming women for that is inane.

morris... well, I went to CCD (catholic education classes) and half my family is catholic. excommunication is up to circumstance in most cases and this priest absolutely did not have to do what he did. plus, if the family is kicked out of the church, which is the definition of excommunicated, then how would they subsequently be doing anything for the family? see what I mean? all rhetoric, no help. I do understand that the church condemns abortion, so I would understand that they would be against it. but they did not have to do to the lengths that they did.

#16
Sharon McEachern
URL
March 12, 2009
04:58 PM

And the Catholic Church wonders why there are fewer and fewer Catholics in the world!

My question is why The Church is leaving the rapist alone -- after excommunicating the distraught mother and doctors who performed the emergency abortion to save the 9-year-old girl's life -- and allowing the rapist stepfather to say in good-standing with The Church? The Vatican has confirmed that he will NOT be excommunicated.

Ethic Soup blog has suggested a theory: "The many, many pedophile priests in the Catholic Church must feel a bond with the rapist." Is there another explanation that makes more sense than that? You can read the article at:

http://www.ethicsoup.com/2009/03/abortion-saves-raped-9yearold-girls-life-vatican-excommunicates-furor-among-brazils-catholics.html

Sharon McEachern

#17
Slime_id
March 12, 2009
06:26 PM

#15, thanks Sq, well ntf wud be desriable.

Step aside Chauvinists, where exactly the problem of getting women as religious leaders lie? Since Christianity is so well documented and researched,

a) Does the problem lies with the female religious leaders/nuns who wont allow Change
b) Or are the Feminists over the ages and the current Feminazis considered under-religious to even ask/comment.
c) Or Religion is not a holy grail for the feminists? It ain't sexy enough?

Well protestants can be an exception where we had queens as rulers. Pardon me for wrong questions as only 5% of my immediately family is Christian

2) Secondly
In Indian culture , we have women Gods, I am not so sure of other religions. Kindly enlighten me if Mother Mary is treated the same as Father.

The reason I ask these questions is that abortion is not something which is a 20th century question. I am sure similar issues existed when Christianity was born. Why were they sidelined then? If so, for how long Church will continue the same. Why should Church or any religion condemn abortion?

I would also add the right to abortion lies with both parents and needs ideal consent from both the sexes.

#18
smallsquirrel
March 12, 2009
06:53 PM

I wish to make it clear that the catholic church is only one branch of christianity, and that many other christian sects DO allow women to be pastors (their word for priests) and they allow the leaders of their churches to be married. it is only catholicism that prevents women from being priests and also does not allow priests to marry.

that being said, with catholicism, you cannot make a cow move if it doesn't want to, women can kick and scream all they wish but men are running the church. nuns do not have a vote. they cannot effect that kind of change. many nuns would want to be priests but do not have the opportunity so they serve god in the way that is available to them.

do not use the word feminazi again with me in a serious dialog or I will refuse to answer you. either that or every time I refer to men I will say "women abusers" which is just as inaccurate. have some respect, please.

mary is not considered a god although in catholicism she is considered a holy figure. catholics do pray to her, so other branches of christianity consider that to be praying to a false god, and they condemn catholicism for that.

most christian religions condemn abortion because they believe that life begins at conception, and therefore abortion is murder. murder is not allowed by christians as it is one of the 10 commandments: thou shalt not kill.

#19
temporal
URL
March 12, 2009
07:54 PM

from a catnap

[husky grandfatherly boom]

there are many doors that lead to me. i selected from among you men and women to show you the path. i even told them to warn you about those who'd mislead you. listen to your inner voice. do not follow those who misinterpret me.


***

cs:

should i take in more catnaps?

;)

#20
Morris
March 12, 2009
08:38 PM

Catholicism, like Islam is unable evolve and very domatic. Fortunately, if you don't like you don't have to give up christianity, simply become protestant or whatever. Unfortunately, muslisms cannot do that. Sunni or shia there is no disagreement, that I know of, among them about treatment of women. If you do not like, too bad. The only option is to leave the religion. But that is not so easy for muslims as it is for christians or hindus.

I am not sure why we have to be stuck with the religion we are born in. If we are not comfortable then we must be willing to move on. If we wish to be a part of any faith or organization then we must be prepared to compromize our beliefs. It is not likely that we will find everything the way we want to. We can try to chage them. But we do have one ultimate choice. Leave them. Perhapas that would give some incentives to the religious leaders to initiate reforms.

#21
commonsense
March 12, 2009
09:38 PM

temporal:

"cs:

should i take in more catnaps?

;)"

sounds a bit dogmatic for my taste. how about taking more dognaps? if that doesn't work, peach schnapps?

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