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Raj Thackeray Creeping Out

December 28, 2008
Manoj Khatri

Raj Thackeray is back in business. He’s “banned” all Pakistani artistes from performing in Maharashtra and warned music stores not to stock/sell cassettes/CDs/DVDs featuring them. Shiv Sena too issues a similar statement just a day before, according to PTI.

I call this the Thackeray brand of politics, which is always about fuelling hatred. It thrives on the vulnerability of the common man who doesn’t understand that politicians like Raj don’t have his interest in mind. All they want is to exploit the sentiments of the masses to further their own agenda. Over the past few months, Raj has also been cleverly using the media to gain popularity.

According to our politicians, we, the people of India, are dumb fools. We do not know what is right for us. We can’t decide, for instance, if a film should be watched, a book should be read or a painting exhibition should be patronised. We need Raj and his men to educate us, tell us good from bad.

The Mumbai terror attacks did something unprecedented. It made the ordinary man realise that politicians like Thackeray only come out when they can further their own agenda. Raj’s anti-north Indian campaign has backfired in wake of the terror attacks. So he was lying low for a while…and I suppose, all the while thinking which issue to rake up to get the attention of the media and to prove that he is the son of the soil.

I have a question to ask Raj: While banning Pakistani artistes may find favour in the present circumstances when there is so much anger against Pakistan, are there no other pressing issues that his state faces? Is Maharashtra’s, or indeed India’s, biggest problem Pakistani singers or actors? What exactly will he achieve by banning their performances and their CDs?

If I were Raj, I would ask every MNS member to offer their services to the Government of India in some way…say, to collect intelligence about the terror attacks being planned across the nation?

Any suggestions?

Manoj is a writer, editor, publisher, marketer, social-servant, thinker, singer, traveller, reader, poet, entrepreneur, photographer, son, brother, friend, colleague and more not in that order. Among his many activities, Manoj heads Complete Wellbeing Publishing Pvt Ltd, a magazine publishing company based in Mumbai, India. He is the editor and publisher of Complete Wellbeing, a first-of-its-kind monthly magazine that promotes health and happiness
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#1
commonsense
December 28, 2008
08:35 PM

banning cds, books, movies? typical actions taken by the coward fundamentalists of all stripes...be they islamists, hindutvadies or MNS etc. etc. birds of a feather really, despite the hatred they exude for each other. same "philosophy" (for want of a better word) at work.

#2
commonsense
December 28, 2008
08:39 PM

all pathetic bastards (usually men, save for the rare so-called "sadhvis" and female suicide bombers) wrecking havoc, while self-righteously claiming to do otherwise. the road to hell on earth, is for sure, paved with self-proclaimed "good itentions"

#3
kerty
December 28, 2008
10:17 PM

I do not think anybody should be bothered by banning goods and services and people coming from Pakistan. Those who miss them can always move to Pakistan and enjoy them in Pakistan. We don't want to have friendly relations with terrorists, and their country. We expect our politicians to take firm stand even if their stand may not be populist. Sena is finally doing the right thing for a change - fight things that do not belong in Mumbai. Its about time our politicians develop spine of steel and not let the people down.

#4
Morris
December 28, 2008
10:27 PM

Is he holding any position in the govt. that he can ban?
Is he the CM of the state?

#5
commonsense
December 28, 2008
10:41 PM

Morris:

"Is he holding any position in the govt. that he can ban?
Is he the CM of the state?"

ha! prophet kerty will be happy to answer your question about these cowards/gangsters.

#6
commonsense
December 28, 2008
10:56 PM

Morris:

Hint: holding a position in the government is a western conspiracy against pure, pristine values. who cares if he holds a position in the government as long as he can defend indian values against western incursions? err, ummm, as long as he does not ban thoughts emanating from the suburbs of Chicago...which by the way is as Indian as it gets

#7
Prateek
December 28, 2008
10:57 PM

Where were these cowards when the city was under attack? Why didn't these so-called "Senas" storm the hotels with their Trishools?

#8
kerty
December 28, 2008
11:58 PM

Prateek

They were doing the same things everybody else including Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, heads of governments, chiefs of armed forces, and billions of others Indians were doing - letting the trained armed professionals take care of the terror situation. When Modi tried interject in the scene of terror, he was roundly criticized. It was not deemed as suitable time and place for the politicians or lay organizations to interject.

If our politicians were doing their job of ridding Mumbai of the undesirables, we wouldn't have Pakistanis roaming freely in Mumbai. The whole issue of Marathi vs Bihari is cooked up by pro-jehadi politicians to pre-empt dealing with the main issue - problems posed by massive influx of Bengladeshi illegals. Our pro-jehadi politicians need them to be turned into voters, hence our clever politicians need to create a subterfuge issue that pits two sets of Indian ethnicites rather than one that exposes Bengladeshis. Their goal is to discredit the whole issue of unmitigated immigration so nobody raises it again. But there is a heavy price for appeasing Jehadis.

#9
charu kapoor
December 29, 2008
05:30 AM

Politicians Like Raj Thackeray - Cause of a weakening Indian Society
Don't blame Pakistan or the terrorists. They had the courage and pride to inflict damage to a country they believe is there enemy. Its so called Indians like the Thackeray's and Marathi Manoos who are making our society weak. These people have never struggled and have lived off the wealth created in Mumbai by outsiders who believed in national pride, hope, hard work and continuous struggle for progress. It was created by companies like TATA's whose wealth came from their flagship company "Tata Steel" in Bihar. In fact Mumbai wasn't even a part of Maharashtra. Lack of enterprise, ethics, courage and hard work has resulted in a weak society which demonstrates incompetence in every area and has the potential to adversely effect the Nations growth and prosperity by getting influenced by paranoid cowards and megalomaniacs like Raj Thackeray

#10
commonsense
December 29, 2008
10:43 AM

Prateek:

""Where were these cowards when the city was under attack? Why didn't these so-called "Senas" storm the hotels with their Trishools?""

Good point Prateek. A commonsensical answer is of course, as you well know, that such cowards are archetypical bullies who thrive on bullying the weaker sections of society.

As for the bullshit answer, Prophet Kerty above has already offered his prefabricated defense of patented cowards and bullies who were probably shitting green in their pants, waiting for the terrorists to leave or die, so they could continue with their bullying of the rest of the society.

#11
kerty
December 29, 2008
11:24 AM

CS

People are forced to create their own devices to deal with things that government and politicians fail to do. The street level organizations and street dogs are reflection of such realities. Now if government is already doing a reasonable job, why would anybody need to interject in those matters? If our politicians are promoting balanced development in all regions of the country, why would there be forced mass exodus to slums of Mumbai, forcing Mumbai to scream in pain? If Government has no spine to take care of underground elements, over-migration, over-crowding of urban resources, terrorist network, than sena-like organization have to take up those issues. If our government is failing to respond to terror attacks, sena-like organization will have to come forward to give protest response or tit-for-tat response.

Now coming back to mumbai attack - since NSG and army were already deployed to deal with the terror situation, there was no reason or need for private citizens or private organizations to storm the Taj or Oberoi. If our government were derelict in providing security measures at those sites, than you can bet that Sena and other organizations would have formed their own rescue and relief operations. We have seen that during many disasters where government alone is not deemed sufficient to tackle the gravity and urgency of situation.

#12
Manoj
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December 29, 2008
11:44 AM

Kerty,
You haven't answered the question I raised in my post: don't we have more pressing issues than banning Pakistani artistes?

Interestingly, Shiv Sena-BJP coalition ruled the state for a full term of five years. CM was from Shiv Sena and Raj was still part of the Sena. Are you trying to say that there was no illegal immigration during their rule?

In India, no political party can claim to have acted differently as the ruling party. Once elected, economic compulsions take over. Sena is no different.

Raj Thackeray would do well use the support he has from the ordinary unsuspecting Marathi manoos to do something more tangible than banning Pakistani artistes and burning paintings etc.

#13
commonsense
December 29, 2008
11:44 AM

From Kerty comes more
As pure as fresh manure

#14
commonsense
December 29, 2008
11:46 AM

From Prophet Kerty
Comes more
Same as before
Fresh manure

bending backwards
to justify cowards

#15
commonsense
December 29, 2008
11:56 AM

Manoj to Kerty:

""Kerty,
You haven't answered the question I raised in my post: don't we have more pressing issues than banning Pakistani artistes?""

Anyone who is familiar with Kerty knows that he cannot. His lips and thought processes are determined by a pre-fabricated ideology that pay no attention to ground realities that might change and shift. Something like the "mcdonaldization of humans" - thinking forever, inside the ideological box/prison. As he has himself said, he is a devotee of "Hindutva" and that should explain his reflexes. Such ideologies, same for Jihadism, simply do not permit independant thinking, unless permission is granted by those who control the thought processes. Until that point of time, he has no choice but to parrot support of all those organizations and indviduals who claim to shore up "Hindutva", including of course thru silly gimmicks such as banning of books, movies and CD's etc. The same shit as the banning of Rushdie, Taslima Nasreen etc. They appear to be opposed to each other - the Hindutvadis, the Jihadis etc. but they are all devoted to expanding the divide among Indians, be it on religious, linguistic, regional etc. grounds.

In short: your question for Kerty is a good, logical one. However, once a thinking human being commits oneself to extremist ideologies that allow for no independant thinking, all they can do is to parrot the pre-programmed reflexes.

#16
kerty
December 29, 2008
12:29 PM

Manoj

"don't we have more pressing issues than banning Pakistani artistes? "

Having other pressing issues does not mean people can not multi-task and should not raise no other issues.

It is important to send signals of defiance and resolve to Pakistan when Pakistan is waging a psychological brinkmanship at the moment. When Pakistan is threatening an all out war, when it is moving its army to our borders to provoke India, when Pakistan is looking for any excuse to divert its phony war on terror into war on India - and doing it all to shelter its terror network which it publicly claims to be against, than it is for India to call its bluff.

And why should India support Pakistan's economy in times of war? And Pakistan is engaged in a proxy war with India. India has to destroy Pakistan's economic and military power centers. That is just commonsense. People of India have to step in and reject goods and services coming from Pakistan. Sena should treat anybody who buys Pakistan goods as traitor, aiding the enemy's economy which enables Pakistan.

"Are you trying to say that there was no illegal immigration during their rule? "

There was some illegal immigration but hostile government deterred it from becoming a stampede. But last 5 years have seen a massive influx. Our pro-jehadi politicians have found quick formula to win elections - import Bangladeshis and settle them in constituencies where they lack winning margin. So they do not have to win by delivering governance, they can laugh their way to power by creating captive votebanks and dividing the opposition. It is a cynical move by congress to win power by dividing Sena's base - import Bangladeshis and divide Sena's base - MNS is a useful idiot of Congress. It also allows congress to pose as savior of north Indians, and help re-establish its political base there - other north Indian parties, not to be outdone by congress, are jumping in the fray to do competitive bidding for North Indians, all the while blaming Sena, while MNS takes all their baits to create a win-win circus at the expense of Mumbai and Shiv Sena. It is a very cynical politics. And Sena is not the only player.

"In India, no political party can claim to have acted differently as the ruling party. Once elected, economic compulsions take over. Sena is no different."

One can only hope to stop the leakage. There is no way anything can be done to deport Millions of Bangladeshis - the sheer size and scope makes it impractical and impossible. That makes people's anger and frustration incurable and parmanent. Our politicians love that - it gives them captive and perpetual votebank.

#17
ravi
December 29, 2008
07:48 PM

finally, mumbai attacks gave raj thakaray some commonsense. It is better to oppose pakis than so-called north indians

#18
Manoj
URL
December 30, 2008
01:20 PM

Kerty,

Granted that "other issues" can also be raised simultaneously. But when have Raj & co done anything that directly helps the common man? Theirs is a "divide and rule" policy. He always talks of "Maharshtra" and "Marathi manoos" thereby isolating the Marathi public from the rest of India. Are Maharashtrians not Indians? If there's a problem of unemployment in Bihar, it's a problem of India.

Raj is only playing politics. He could very well use all the support he has for tangible development of the state. Being against North Indians will not help... if he really wants Maharashtra to develop, he must tackle the corruption in the state government offices, especially the Municipal corporations of the major cities like Mumbai, Thane, Pune, Nasik, and Nagpur.

Why don't MNS men storm the municipal offices when newly constructed road give in??? When an entire falls into a crater formed due to poor material used while building roads? Such issues are far more pressing because these are bigger enemies...they reside within.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, Raj's "banning" of Pakistani artistes is nothing but a publicity stunt, aimed at getting free air time.

"Sena should treat anybody who buys Pakistan goods as traitor, aiding the enemy's economy which enables Pakistan."

HA! Who is Sena to declare anyone as a traitor? Any bona fide citizen of the country indulges in corruption is a traitor. So, before we point fingers at anyone, please look within. Almost all politicians are traitors. In fact, there is little different politicians and terrorists -- both abuse the vulnerabilities of the common man to their advantage.

#19
kerty
December 30, 2008
04:47 PM

Manoj

"Are Maharashtrians not Indians?"

Nor do they have to give up Maharastra or being marathi to become Indians. They are indians because they are Maharastrians.

"If there's a problem of unemployment in Bihar, it's a problem of India"

And blame rests with politicians of Bihar for not using the power and resources of Bihar to create jobs in Bihar. Solution lies in creating employment in Bihar. You can scapegoat politicians of other states, who in spite of corruption and issues, are doing their best to attract development. Let Maharastrian people worry about development of their state, and Bihari people worry about their own - we have ethnic states precisely for such reason, so that local ethnic population can have local control over their own state of affairs.

"Raj's "banning" of Pakistani artistes is nothing but a publicity stunt, aimed at getting free air time."

We know politicians are going to be vain, they are going to be self-seekers and publicity hogs. That is to be expected from all politicians. That is fine as long as they also take up issues of public interests and national security.

"Any bona fide citizen of the country indulges in corruption is a traitor. So, before we point fingers at anyone, please look within. Almost all politicians are traitors. In fact, there is little different politicians and terrorists -- both abuse the vulnerabilities of the common man to their advantage"

Since all politicians are corrupt and hence traitor and hence no better than terrorists, what do you suggest? Should be put fight against terrorism on hold until corruption is abolished? Should we ban politicians and give up democracy and adopt Paki political model - rule by ISI/army and Mullah who routinely hang their politicians on the charges of treason stemming from corruption and lack of purity? Why not move to Pakistan if Pakistan is such a land of pure?

#20
Manoj
URL
December 30, 2008
10:13 PM

What I suggest is that we stop relying on our politicians to save us from terrorists. They only do what serves them and their interests. We, the people of India, need to take things in our own hands. We can't resign to all politicians being "always" corrupt. We need to change them first. If we are strong from within, no enemy can attack us from outside. Pak can send its terrorists because he great Indian politicians know only to fight elections...for which they will go to any lengths and create whatever communal tensions they can.

But I don't blame you Kerty... we, all of us, by choice or helplessness, elect the politicians ourselves. So we deserve them. You are overtly supporting those who may be corrupt justifying that by symbolic banning of Pak artistes they are doing a service to our nation.

Please read the post again. I have said, can't Raj ask every MNS member to offer their services to the Government of India in some way...say, to collect intelligence about the terror attacks being planned across the nation? Why can't he do something more direct to help the country fight not only terrorism but all the other problems faced. Because, he doesn't have the nation's interests in mind. He only wants to win seats in the next elections so that he can do what all other politicians do...make a fortune for himself.

#21
Naveen
URL
December 31, 2008
12:25 AM

Ask the bastards to creep out of their foxholes when Mumbai was really burning!!

They have slithered out now that the terrorists are not here - fattened!!

#22
Naveen
URL
December 31, 2008
12:26 AM

Ask the bastards to creep out of their foxholes when Mumbai was really burning!!

They have slithered out now that the terrorists are not here - fattened!!

#23
commonsense
December 31, 2008
12:41 AM

yes, naveen! you can say that again about these cowards and their supporters (some of them right here in DC)

#24
commonsense
December 31, 2008
01:32 AM

Naveen:

"Ask the bastards to creep out of their foxholes when Mumbai was really burning!!"

I'm not embarrassed to admit that I cleaned up their shit, and trust me, I checked the color before I disposed it. It was green, same color as the shit of all cowards/bullies/lowlifes who thrive on victimizing those who are already victims.

I wait for Kerty to defend these cowardly shits.

#25
kerty
December 31, 2008
06:31 AM

Naveen

Read post #11. It addresses the point you raised.

#26
Prateek
January 2, 2009
07:27 PM

You miss the point that the Senas were silent, dumbfounded, paralyzed. Their (lack of) action just underscores the point that they are cowardly, reactionary and opportunistic buffoons and it is a shame so many people still support them.

#27
kerty
January 2, 2009
10:10 PM

Prateek

What did Sena do differently than what other political parties and organizations do during the terror strike?

What did Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan singh, Chidambaram and Pranav Mukharjee do during the terror strike that makes their lack of action different than sena? Does their lack of action not underscore them as cowardly and opportunistic baffoons too? While terror attacks were going on, Rahul Gandhi was having a all-night booze party with his pals in Rajashthan. Here, you have a Yuvraj of congress, the crown jewel of India, partying even while whole nation was in the grip of terror. And you know what? It is not held against him. Rahul is still hailed as a national hero, destiny of our nation. His partying during terror has not dented his heroism or his destiny as India's destiny-maker.

#28
Anil
January 3, 2009
10:22 AM

Hi

I am surprised that some people are using even the Mumbai attacks for venting their ire (and fueling hatred) against Raj Thackeray!

Several people were conspicuous by their absence in the first two days - the so called secular leaders like Mr. Sharad Pawar, Mr. Lalu Prasad (did he visit CST after the turmoil? Isn't he the railway minister!), Mr. Sanjay Nirupam (who appeared for a brief moment to give an interview to Al Jazeera), Mr. Govinda (BTW, he is a congres MP from Mumbai, not just a film actor)

I wonder if the author of this post and the myriad supporters, have a selective amnesia or perhaps they are no less parochial than the people they are criticizing! Now I won't be surprised if Mr. Thackeray gets more and more support.

Anil

#29
Manoj
URL
January 3, 2009
12:06 PM

Anil,

You have conveniently assumed that just because I am writing something against Raj Thackeray, I must be in favour of other parties/politicians. Please read the post again. For me, Raj only represents the political class of India.

Besides, I sense that you and some others justify Raj's behaviour by quoting how other politicians are equally bad. That's the difference between how you think and how I think. I do not differentiate between him and other politicians. In #18 above I have said that I think almost all politicians are traitors...they are all birds of the same feather.

#30
Anil
January 3, 2009
02:51 PM

Manoj

1. I am not justifying anyone's behavior

2. Even if you don't support other politicians, you did choose Raj Thackeray. He is hardly symptomatic of other politicians - most of his actions have been self destructive (for his political career though he might have got popularity) while most 'good' politicians play all sides

3. There is a conspiracy of silence about the people I have quoted. If you (and others) truly dislike these characters, one would only naturally expect to see some comments

What could be preventing similar outbursts for much larger crimes by these leaders, over a longer period - I wonder!

#31
Manoj
URL
January 4, 2009
01:16 AM

Anil,

1. I have said in the post that according our politicians we are dumb. Raj is most certainly symptomatic of our politicians who, whether by their silence or speech or actions, are always serving their self-interest.
2. This post was obviously about Raj's declaration of banning CDs and perfomances of Pak artistes...so it's bound to revolve around him.
3.In fact, I think young politicians like Raj Thackeray, Rahul Gandhi, Murli Deora, and Jyoti Scindia are our country's hope. Which is why I feel that Raj, instead of banning CDs, could use this forces and might to offer some tangible help to the government.
4. I would suggest similarly to Rahul & co, if I were commenting on any of their public actions.
5. These days, the term "good" politicians seems like an oxymoron

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