Dr. Binayak Sen - A Poem

I think Binayak Sen is where he should belong - In the Jail.

If Secular Fundamentalists want him released, he definitely must have committed some crime somewhere.

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How come only Maoists have human rights that need defending? If Maoists belong in jail, than so do their defenders. So that other people can live terror-free.

amitabh,

thank you for this touching poem. everyone deserves to be treated humanely, including of coures the maoists and believe it or not, even kerty.

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How should that matter?

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"From that IP:

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Is there a FAQ that explains comments like these which appear once a while? *puzzled*

Is this a Joke. One person posts using two separate names. Is that a justification to delete his posts?

Desicritics is pathetic!! The quality of articles is not something to speak about. There is no much to learn from discussions with the people who write the articles, thinking they are of some significance.

I am quitting. See you guys. Good Luck. I will spend my time better elsewhere, not at a place gloryfying the likes of Binayak Sen and his fellow Maoists.


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Is'nt it the same Binayak Sen who was caught red handed aiding and abetting Maoist Terrorists? Why is this Amitabh Mitra worrying so much about him?

Dr Binayak Sen received recognition from the Indian Academy of Social Sciences, the Keithan Gold Medal, the Jonathan Mann award, the 21 Nobel Laureates writing to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and demonstrations that were held in India and around the world for his freedom.

"Can we expect our judiciary to help redeem the promise the constitution makes to the people to safeguard their right to hold opinions and express it even if goes against the official line the state would like all of us to follow?"
http://www.binayaksen.net/2008/05/why-dr-binayak-sen-must-be-released-rediff-news/#more-70

The world is better off with traitors like Binayak Sen In jail. I hope the government delays the trial indefinitely.

I live in chhatisgarh. I see the Naxalite menace everyday. They are as much terrorists as the ones that carried out the Mumbai attacks.

Amitabh

A terrorist is a terrorist. Period. It does not matter how many academic credentials he has in his cap and how many Nobel prizes he has won. There can not be two set of justice for regular folks and no-so-regular folks. He is not exempt from laws just because he has opinions. If you commit crime, and court proves the crime, than that person has to face the punishment. Its not a very hard concept.

kerty,


I agree with you

I lived in Chattisgarh and served in the hospitals for a long time. I have seen the tribals suffer under successive governments. Binayak is not a Maoist and there is no rule that one shouldn't treat a Maoist.

Amitabh, here's somethig from wiki:

K. earned his PhD with his thesis entitled "Boundary Functions" by solving, in less than a year, a math problem that was unsolved by one of his professors at Michigan, George Piranian, who later commented on him by saying, "It is not enough to say he was smart."[6] Maxwell Reade, a retired math professor who served on K's dissertation committee, also commented on his thesis by noting, "I would guess that maybe 10 or 12 people in the country understood or appreciated it."[7] In 1967, K. won the University of Michigan's $100 Sumner B. Myers Prize, which recognized his dissertation as the school's best in mathematics that year.[7] While a graduate student at Michigan, he held a National Science Foundation fellowship and taught undergraduates for three years. He also published two articles related to his dissertation in mathematical journals, and four more after leaving Michigan later.

The K. in the above paragraph is Unabomber, aka Dr. Theodore Kaczynski.

Amitabh

Those tribals have right to vote. They have right to elect their government. They do vote. If government is not doing anything for them, they can vote such government out with ballots. They just elected a government that promised to crack down on terror of Maoists.

The problem with Maoists is that they think they are living in a Maoist utopia where one must use bullets over ballots to get their way out of their government. They are trying to subvert the democratic system thru terror. Development can not occur if the region remains infested with terrorists. Maoists are responsible for the suffering of tribals and lack of development.

If Binayak is not a terrorist, than that is for the courts to decide. He will be given opportunity to prove his innocence in the court. Do his supporters respect the laws and due process?

One reason I will not support the people agitating for Binayak Sen is the kind of people rushing towards him for his cause. The Sick secularists who are so pained to see Binayak in Jail did not feel any pain seeing Swamy Lakshmananda die in Orissa. No word of protest was uttered by them at the time. In fact they laid the blame for violence in orissa on the re-conversion drive rather than on the missionary terrorists.

I do not want the company of people whose ideology of minority appeasement and hate towards Indian Culture and traditions I do not share. For this reason, I dont care what happens to Binayak, for I know people like him do not care for people like me.

Admins:

Could you please ensure "Hindu Terrorist" and "Chitrakut" are not allowed to post on this website again. Ha!! Posting under two names in DC. Did he think he could get away with it!!

Our comment policy is quite clear and simple, and yet some people have difficulty adhering to it.

Binayak Sen's work among the poorest of poor and the exploited remains recognised.

Amitabh

Being poor or working among poor can not be a cover for terrorist activities. India has very large population of poor and many do-gooders working among poor - but people do not rationalize or justify or condone crimes or terrorism.

Multiple ID Slime:

""I am quitting. See you guys. Good Luck"'

who gives a fish. See us guys? you kidding? nice to finally see your behind, quitter. Good luck to you; you need it more than anyone else.

Binayak Sen is a terrorist. Period.

Anybody defending a terrorist must be a terrorist himself.

Quoting from the notes at the end - "Police ALLEGE that he passed letters between imprisoned members of a banned leftist group."

Q. Has he been caught red-handed?
Q. Where is the PROOF?
Q. Has he personally killed any person/assisted in the death of innocent people?

If he has, TRY HIM AND JAIL HIM FOR GOOD.

If not, then this IS gross injustice and a violation of human rights.. which is only too common in India.
Hate a person, brand him a terrorist, and jail him without any proof because he thinks differently and tries to do some GOOD to people.

The irony of the situation is that Binayak Sen was trying to usher in conditions (good healthcare,education) which would weaken the support base and ideology of the Marxists themselves!!

Meanwhile, the real jehadi terrorists go about killing and making mayhem with impunity..

I feel that such reactions stem from impotency and helplessness against REAL terrorists - hence people look for a scapegoat, and take it out on someone docile and harmless; whether the person is innocent or not be damned.

Love and peace to all,
Ayan

Thanks Ayan
Binayak has publicly stated a number of times that he is not a Maoist and doesn't believe in the politics of Naxalites. A rare human being, a colleague and above all a great friend.

Tribal leader killed by maoists
Belpahari Dec 11 | Thursday, Dec 11 2008 IST

Sudhir Mandi (40), who presided over the huge meeting of tribal in Belpahari on Tuesday, was gunned down this evening by suspected Maoists near Chakadoba under Belpahari PS, SP West Midnapur District Rajesh Singh said. Mandia Panchayet Samity Sabhapati elected on Jharkhand party ticket was warned by the Maoists that he would face the music if he presided over the said meeting organized by Majhi Maroa, known as the Supreme Social Organisation of the tribals.

Mandi however refused to comply saying that he would go by the dictum of the Majhi Maroas. This evening while he was returning to his home in Chakadoba, miscreants dragged him to a roadside forest and slit his throat first and then pumped several rounds in his abdomen and chest SP said. Meanwhile, for the first time today, the district administration led by ADM General Eron Ebrahim Israel moved into interior areas and especially in Chhoto Pelia village to enquire about Police atrocities on women. He said that R D Meena, Secretary, Back ward Community and Social Welfare will be coming to Chhoto Pelia to enquire into the alleged police torture in recent times.

-- (UNI) --

He has to be a Maoist if he is working as a human right activist in the Maoist infested areas. Who else have human rights there? And if amnesty international is speaking for him, that confirms that he is indeed a Maoist. These organizations consider only terrorists to have human rights. These people use welfare outfits and human right fronts as a cover to aid and abet Maoist insurgencies in the name of human rights or welfare work. They act as if they only provide moral support and defend their human rights, but they actually act as their ideologues, apologists, defenders, champions and facilitators. People like him deserve to be terrorized so they understand what terrorism is like.

Maoists blow up school building in Jharkhand
12-12-2008
http://dailymailnews.com/200812/04/news/dmheadlinepage10.html

Ranchi--Jharkhand is the worst militants affected district where bulk of Indian Army and Security Forces are deployed. Normal life has come to stand still and children are not going to school because Indian forces have occupied a number of schools. At present, Security Forces are occupying 43 school buildings in the state. The Jharkhand High Court last week directed the state government to vacate the school buildings being used by Security Forces as temporary camps but so far no action has been taken.
Meanwhile, Maoist militants blew up a school building in Palamau district of Jharkhand. According to the Police, 30 to 40 insurgents belonging to Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist) surrounded a school building in Paki block of Palamau district, 190 km from Ranchi and blew it up. The militants left a pamphlet at the spot, which said the building was destroyed to prevent security forces from using it in the future.

--Agencies

Kerty:

""He has to be a Maoist if he is working as a human right activist in the Maoist infested areas. Who else have human rights there? And if amnesty international is speaking for him, that confirms that he is indeed a Maoist."'

Excellent! Know-all self-righteousness sinks to new lows.

""He has to be a Maoist if he is working as a human right activist in the Maoist infested areas. Who else have human rights there? And if amnesty international is speaking for him, that confirms that he is indeed a Maoist."'

Very true indeed. You are known by the company you keep. Amitabh still has not answered a question someone asked earlier. Where was he when Swamy Lakshmananda was killed by Maoists. Why did not not rush to write a poem about swamy Lakshmananda.

If secularists are crying about certain people, then it is most likely these people deserved to be in Jail. I hope this Binayak Sen spends the rest of his life in Jail.

Kerty:

""He has to be a Maoist if he is working as a human right activist in the Maoist infested areas.


CS:

"Excellent! Know-all self-righteousness sinks to new lows."

Akash Gautam:

"Very true indeed."

Thanks Akash! Glad you agree with me about this tautological lack of argument of Kerty.

Commonsense:

All I see in your posts is rants against other posts. And a lot of them are uncalled for. Could you please contribute to a discussion without attacking kerty. Why do you always do that.

You do not have the intellectual maturity to think things through clearly the way kerty does. And that is the reason why he is able to arrive at better decisions and better conclusions.

Is it that hard to know that Maoists are terrorists? And that if Binayak Sen was caught helping terrorists, he has assisted and aided the terrorists? Are people so filled with delusion that then cannot connect these simple dots and tie them together.

You should apologize to kerty and see reason in what he is trying to say. You really need to improve. Until then your posts will not carry any meaning.

Do not think that I am saying this to hurt you. I really want you to improve. And am offering constructive criticism. I hope you take it in good spirit.

Pandit:

Could you please contribute to a discussion without attacking kerty. Why do you always do that.You do not have the intellectual maturity to think things through clearly the way kerty does."

huh? and i thought only nations, cultures, religions, communities etc. had self-apppointed thekedaars...here's one for an individual -kerty! great going.

Pandit:
"You should apologize to kerty and see reason in what he is trying to say. You really need to improve. Until then your posts will not carry any meaning."

Kerty, I am sorry to see that you have attracted a self-appointed personal thekedaar (aka "fan" in our celebrit obssessed culture). Congratulations and really sorry that you need someone else to speak up for you.

Pandit:

"Do not think that I am saying this to hurt you. I really want you to improve. And am offering constructive criticism. I hope you take it in good spirit."

not to worry! people without ego and with commonsense like me never get hurt. As for "good spirit", well, as everyone here knows, beer was my drink of choice. Avoid spirits if you are into whisky, vodka etc. There's no such thing as "good spirit", trust me!!

Pandit to me:

"You do not have the intellectual maturity to think things through clearly the way kerty does"

Kerty:

Kerty:

""He has to be a Maoist if he is working as a human right activist in the Maoist infested areas."

Intellectual maturity and clarity of thinking indeed.

This is like a daily routine in Jharkhand.

Maoists kill four in Jharkhand
13 Dec 2008, 1508 hrs IST, PTI

GIRIDIH: Four persons have been killed by Maoists in separate incidents in Jharkhand's Giridih district, a senior police officer said.

Armed Maoists kidnapped villagers Mansur Ansari, Gulam Ansari and Mateen Ansari from their homes at Haladih-Betiatand village and shot them dead on Friday night, police spokesman S N Pradhan said.

The Maoists suspected that the four had tipped-off the police which led to last month's killing of their self-styled area commander Kawang, in an encounter with the police, Pradhan said and added the trio were never known to the police.

In a similar incident at Gopilo village under Saria police station, a separate group of Maoists last night abducted Keshav Yadav from his residence and bludgeoned his head with a stone, the police officer said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Maoists_kill_four_in_Jharkhand/rssarticleshow/3832545.cms

all this, if kerty is to be believed, must be squarely blamed on amitabh mitra's friend because illogic dictates, in a fool-proof manner for sure, that ""He has to be a Maoist if he is working as a human right activist in the Maoist infested areas."

Reminds me of renowned Pritish Nandy's words like dagger thrusts tear open the rage and pain of the third world:

"though I have never seen the mountains of Columbia your name Camillo Torres the storm has whispered in my blood

Straggling groups of guerrillas have gathered near the frontiers and in the foxholes the soldiers wait

Last night the storm whispered your name in my blood and I dreamt of a catholic priest fighting as a guerrilla in the lost mountains of Columbia as a bitter rain pursued the dark

Darker than the darkness of the forests emptier than a strafed village the night traced a secret justice in the defiant eyes of a woman
I have seen this woman hiding in the jungles of Asia

I have seen her with a child clinging to her dry breasts as the guns blazed in the ricefields and alien soldiers murdered the innocent

Each time the marauders changed their name but the sufferers each time were the same'

CS

Maoists have PR wing that pose as human-right activists and social workers. When Maoists are not donning Maoist outfit and raining bullets, that is what they do - they hide behind different fronts. When their homes get raided, they cry police atrocities. When they get jailed, they cry human right violations. In the mean time, their terror continues on a daily basis.

I posted the News links about Maoist terror incidents in Jharkhand - 3 terror incidents in last 3 days, one incident each day. These are not abstract crimes. They are reported in the media. I can post many more links, on a daily basis. This has become serious issue that is causing nightmares in Jharkhand. And who are you losing sleep over? Certainly not the people who are dying of Maoist terror on a daily basis. Do we hear any poetry about those lives, their loved ones, and what they must be suffering? What about their human rights? There is no such thing as human right activist in a war zone, only only enemy combatants.

Kerty:

""There is no such thing as human right activist in a war zone, only only enemy combatants."

Right! Wait till you get caught as an innocent in such a situation. Well, you can always call the animal rights activist association, even though such a call will be an insult to almost all the animals.

commonsense:

Kerty has no dreams of going to Kandhamal and assisting Maoists like you do. Dont worry, he wont get caught.

On the other hand, make sure you control your urge to go and help your comrades before you get into trouble and become the next Binayak Sen.

"Reminds me of renowned Pritish Nandy's words like dagger thrusts tear open the rage and pain of the third world:"

I dont think Pritish Nandy is renowned. I think he is a fool.

Mehta,

you are the second thekedaar for Kerty, and that's just this thread! i am impressed!

a third thekedhar with a slime id :-) ?

Maoist terror claims 8
The Telegraph

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1081214/jsp/nation/story_10249923.jsp

Ranchi/Giridih, Dec. 13: In an orgy of Maoists-inspired violence at least eight persons were killed in Gumla and Giridih districts last night, while two suspected Naxalites were lynched after villagers retaliated when they were threatened with levies.

In Gumla's Kurkura village under Kamdara police station limits, some 70km from the state capital, four persons were gunned down by Maoists. According to police reports reaching Ranchi, around seven armed men entered the village around 7.45pm and "ordered" one Sufal Surin to lead them to the house of Jiten Surin.

As soon as Jiten opened the door, they riddled him with bullets, killing him on the spot. By then, Sufal had begun to flee, but the rebels fired at him as well. He was injured, but died this morning.

Two passersby, one of whom was identified as Uday Surin, also died in the firing.

Today, angry villagers of Kurkura staged demonstrations with the bodies of the victims and demanded that chief minister Shibu Soren visit them to take stock of the situation. "One person died today due to excessive bleeding. He could have been saved provided the villagers informed the police last night. Two among them were criminals," said Gumla superintendent of police Baljeet Singh.

In Giridih district, around 8.30pm, Maoists gunned down three men identified as Gulab Ansari, Mansoor Ansari and Matin Ansari in Dudhania village under Pirtand police station limits, around 150km from Ranchi.

According to villagers, the rebels believed them to be police informers, but Pirtand officer-in-charge H.E. Siddiqui maintained they were daily wage labourers and had nothing to do with "passing on any type of information" to the police.

One Keshar Yadav was shot dead near the Chaki railway station under Saria police station limits in Giridih district. Details were sketchy, but the police said the victim had a criminal background.

But, but, but kerty. There are root causes which make the violent actions of Maoists valid and justifiable.

It's only the Hindutva groups who have no basis whatsoever for their violent actions and need to be criticized unconditionally, without any analysis of the root causes.

/end facetiousness

"Armed Maoists kidnapped villagers Mansur Ansari, Gulam Ansari and Mateen Ansari from their homes at Haladih-Betiatand village and shot them dead on Friday night, police spokesman S N Pradhan said."

Were they Hindutva Maoists? :-)

We are not talking of Maoism at all
Do u see Maoism when you see a film by Ritwik Ghatak or Mrinal Sen

"We are not talking of Maoism at all
Do u see Maoism when you see a film by Ritwik Ghatak or Mrinal Sen"

When you talk about Bainayak Sen, you are talking about Maoism. It is obvious. Why in the world would Binayak Sen go where he did if not to help his fellow maoists.

"We are not talking of Maoism at all
Do u see Maoism when you see a film by Ritwik Ghatak or Mrinal Sen"

When you talk about Bainayak Sen, you are talking about Maoism. It is obvious. Why in the world would Binayak Sen go where he did if not to help his fellow maoists.

Nandana:

"It is obvious. Why in the world would Binayak Sen go where he did if not to help his fellow maoists."

the iron-clad logic is obvious here. why in the world would anyone want to have a second opinion on this matter when everything is crystal clear?

Is it not a waste of time to enter into such a foolish discussion where people are indulging in irrational behaviour? One who is a poet should be seen in the light of the creativity and poetic diction but those who claim that a poet can also be a terrorist must know that a poet's writing on Binayak Sen or anyone else must be looked at from the sheer craft of the creativity itself. My query to these Vocal Fighters is why don't they join the NSG or at least perform a creative activity even if it means taking an anti government stand rather than lambasting here in vain. Amitabh, I remember the poets of Veer Ras who soar to the seventh height of Valour in Hindi poetry, yet never had even killed an ant. My humble appeal is to please refrain from mudslinging on poets and their poetry.

#52

'My humble appeal is to please refrain from mudslinging on poets and their poetry"

Why are poetry and poets above criticism? When they mix poetry and politics, we call it politicization of poetry, and naturally it has to be treated as part and parcel of mudslinging world of politics. These days, political sphere is into everything, and everything is part of political sphere. We no longer live in water-tight compartments, and neither do politics, poetry, arts, propaganda, religion, commercialization, exploitation.

#kerty53,

Except when thou were a poet
thy stances will fetch you a sobriquet

Nobody can criticize the poetry
Except Desi critic can hymn kertified human puppetry

My humble appeal is to please refrain from mudslinging on poets and their poetry.

Erm, so whenever one publishes a poem, the comment section should be closed? Or only positive comments should be published? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

If a poet publishes something that's in the public sphere, s/he has to accept both flowers and rotten tomatoes. One can't say 'yes' to one and 'no' to the other, as people will have different responses to it. It's called diversity (which progressives and liberals always advocate for) and accepting that while I may have liked a certain poem, that does not mean everyone else has to like it too, and also accepting that others didn't like it.

Or are you proposing that all poets should be universally given accolades irrespective of whatever emotions the poet or his work evoke in readers/listeners?

my not-so-humble appeal is to try verse-slinging. those not so good at it, could just fling words, especially big, intimidating words.

If a poet publishes something that's in the public sphere, s/he has to accept both flowers and rotten tomatoes.

I think it is better to judge and classify ourselves what we offer to a poet flowers or rotten tomato?

It will clear our approach to deal a poet or any affair of life. Also, it shows how we from a long time were involved in throwing tomatoes...

This throwing of tomatoes is better seen in our politicians whom such persons elect everytime and mourn and criticise later on and fall into anti incumbancy factor...

Film Maker Anand Patwardhan said that if Binyak is branded as a Naxalite, please count me in too.
Please read this moving story of Shankar Guha Niyogi and Dr. Binyak Sen, their grass root movement by Anand Patwardhan

http://sanhati.com/front-page/310/