Indian Politicians And the Current Military Action in Sri Lanka

you are totlly wrong to say what you have. The LTTE may have commited some past mistakes but remain the sole representative of the tamil people in Srilanka. Just talk to the Srilankan Tamils and they will tell you how the government treats them as second class citizens. If the government were to capture the ltte by displacing Sinhalese civilised towns thay most defintly will not do it.

The Srilankan government got rid og the NGO's to cover up their genocide and mass human rights violations. The do not care as to how many Tamil civilians will die and are intent on pursuing this muderous path. When I lived in Srilanka for a few years I personally witnessed the wide spread discrimination against the Tamil people, espically coming from government organisations. I hope India can do something about this humanitarian disaster as as history will surly blame blame India if it does nothing.

Bulshit How many Tamil Leadres so far have been killed by LTTE, what discrimination ??? I am a sri Lankan Tamil who says LTTE is the sole representative of tamils live in sri lanka ?????
Ltte has killed all the intelectual Tamil leaders so far in order to make this Killers V Prabhakarans wild dream true he is a killer .....

LTTE has killed more Tamils than the sinhalese army. Prabakaran does not want rights for Sri Lankan Tamils, but his writ to be imposed on all the Tamils of Sri Lanka.

If at all a solution could be found for the ethnic conflict, of past decades, it could be possible only, without the LTTE. Indian MPs from Tamil Nadu, do not want that and hence this arm twisting tactics.

Prabakaran had proved his smartness, by manipulating the worst manipulators - our MPs.

Good luck linking this scenario with the wish to have a worldwide trash-compactor sales monopoly using recording-industry royalty fees as capital investment funds ("long tall Jason wateryell")

Wherever there are tamil immigrants, there is trouble, be it in Sri Lanka or Malaysia.

Yes, wherever they are, they are suppressed like anything. In Malaysia in the name of religion they are suppressed. In SL in the name of racism they are suppressed. why did India invade into east pakistan and created Bangladesh. What is happening in kosova, and Georgia? Same thing is happening in SL. This author is half cooked writer expressing his opinion without knowing ground realities.

Raj #7, reg ground realities. A minister in Malaysian Govt of Tamil origin, confessed that chinese too settled in Malaysia around the same time, when Tamils moved into Malaysia.

People of Chinese origin do not complain of racial discrimination. His analysis was; chinese people moved into Malaysia as a trading community and flourished. Whereas Tamils stayed as labour class, resulting in so many conflicts stemming mostly from economic depravation.

Malayalees and Rajasthanis have also settled all over the world in huge numbers, and they do not complain of any discrimination, since they feel they are part of the system. whereas Tamils remain as an unwanted appendege, mostly out of their own making of self inflicted ignorance.

To camoflouge this ignorance, they try to assert in a perverted way, resulting in untold miseries for them.

Raj #7, reg ground realities. A minister in Malaysian Govt of Tamil origin, confessed that chinese too settled in Malaysia around the same time, when Tamils moved into Malaysia.

People of Chinese origin do not complain of racial discrimination. His analysis was; chinese people moved into Malaysia as a trading community and flourished. Whereas Tamils stayed as labour class, resulting in so many conflicts stemming mostly from economic depravation.

Malayalees and Rajasthanis have also settled all over the world in huge numbers, and they do not complain of any discrimination, since they feel they are part of the system. whereas Tamils remain as an unwanted appendege, mostly out of their own making of self inflicted ignorance.

To camoflouge this ignorance, they try to assert in a perverted way, resulting in untold miseries for them.

Suresh Naig:

""trading community and flourished. Whereas Tamils stayed as labour class, resulting in so many conflicts stemming mostly from economic depravation.

Malayalees and Rajasthanis have also settled all over the world in huge numbers, and they do not complain of any discrimination""

err, might i suggest some basic history of Malaya, later Malaysia. Politicians of Tamil descent in Malaysia will of course mouth of political stuff. Predominantly, the Tamil community in Malaya were FORCED to be indentured plantation workers for generations. The Malaylees and Rajasthanis you talk about in other parts of the world, did not go there as indentured labour. There is something called "structured inequality" that persists over time. The Tamil minister who is condeming fellow Tamils for complaining, was probably part of the group of immigrants who were picked up by the British to become school-teachers, head-masters, lawyers etc. since they spoke English and the Malays and Chinese did not. And now this politician who has always known privilege, is lecturing fellow Tamils, descendents of untold misery and deprivation over generations, on how not to complain but be like him! Basic commonsense should stop you and the self-serving politician (probably a guy called Samy Vellu?) from comparing apples with coconuts.

Not that you will read this, but might I suggest just one book on the topic?

R. K. Jain's _South Asians on the Plantation Frontier in Malaysia_ (Yale University Press)

or if you prefer articles, if afflicted by short attention-span, you might try this for size:

Prakash Jain, "Ëxploitation and Reproduction of Migrant Indian Labour in Colonial Guyana and Malaysia", Journal of Contemporary Asia, (Vol. 18, 1988)

Suresh:

""People of Chinese origin do not complain of racial discrimination. His analysis was; chinese people moved into Malaysia as a trading community and flourished. Whereas Tamils stayed as labour class, resulting in so many conflicts stemming mostly from economic depravation.""

all this did not happen in a social vacuum! malaya was a colony of the british empire as was india at that time. indeed malaya was ruled thru calcutta that time. the british forced tamil labour to work on the plantations. they encouraged chinese in business since the chinese were dependent on the british and would not challenge british rule. and they suppressed the indigenous malays since they were the most likely to revolt against empire. this largely explain the stereotypes of the so-called prosperous chinese, "lazy" malays and complaining tamils. it's easy to forget history, and it wasn't that long ago either. this is the background to the reservations for malays who have been discriminated for generations.

commonsense#10,

thanks for your complements "if afflicted by short attention span". Being the dig apart, let me impress upon you, that I am not obstinate, to stick to my guns, even when the ground is slipping down under.

I shall give some soft reading on hard facts. In the mean time, Tamils exported to other countries as indentured labours, were part of history, and still if they continue to remain where they were, whose fault is it?

During which period Tamils migrated to Sri Lanka?

Prior to British colonialism, people lived within cultural and ethnic communities without notion of political map or geographic boundaries. Sea trade often extended local communities to distant coastal areas. Kings and kingdoms defined their turfs by communities they ruled and how far and wide such communities lived. That is how British turf too spread around the world, by extending its community around the world thru trade. By the time British left, new era of nation-state was dawned and old cultural/ethnic boundaries were subordinated to nation-state and confined to finite geographic boundaries. That left many cultural/ethnic communities stranded within nation-states, and marginalized, giving rise to separatist movements.

Suresh:

""Tamils exported to other countries as indentured labours, were part of history, and still if they continue to remain where they were, whose fault is it?"'

if only society worked like this, as in simply "whose fault it is"? sure individual motivation is important, sure some groups do come out of their dire-straits once in a while; however, there is something called "structured inequality" that is a consequences of persistent inequality over generations. as in some black americans do move out of ghettos, but the dire economic straits most of them are in, cannot be explained away by the blame question "whose fault is it"?? in southeast asia, politicians, especially tamil politicians who were never a part of the indentured labour generation, routinely taunt that other tamil folks by pointing to the chinese who are doing well. they deliberately ignore history and the very different trajectories of their lives and that of the majority of Indian tamils who went there as indentured labour. the other tamils who are doing well and are ministers etc. are predominantly sri lankan tamils - another legacy of british colonial administrators to have the sri lankan tamils lord it over the indian tamils.

The "short attention span" was not a put down. I have it, we all have it. life is short, time is limited, who has the time to read entire books especially when recommended by a potentially hostile faceless, nameless blogger? don't take it personally, it wasn't meant to be that way

Ashish, I request you go through the following articles.
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=3&theme=&usrsess=1&id=227670
http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/may/22lanka.htm
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2008/jan/11guest.htm

when one person picks up a quarrel with so many others, we brand him as quarrelsome. Tamils are paranoids, they see a demon in everything, out to obliterate them and they react. Their reaction is more paranoid than with real reason.

They are very emotional and gullible, subjecting them to manipulative politics. In every struggle they become losers, either they lose to the apparent opponents, or lose themselves to their own leaders.

Haven't we seen Tamils fighting against Hindi in 60's? They believed their leaders' war cry, that Hindi would destory Tamil. Deprived of an additional language, which would have opened their minds for a broader vision, many Tamils are made to be happy as "frog in well".

Too much of dependency on their leaders, sans independent thinking, hero worship and paranoia are the root cause of the problem, of Tamils.

#16 - what utter nonsense.

How are the Bimaru states doing, my friend? Thankfully Tamils don't indulge in mass hysteria like some of the northern states, and Tamil Nadu has hardly seen major riots/genocides. On economic progress, literacy, and caste wars, TN is way ahead of states like UP and Bihar. And TN seems to treat their women better than even states like Gujarat and Punjab (which have declining sex ratios).

Get real!

#17. If I had compared Tamils with people of other states, your question might have been pertinent. which I did not do.

All I conveyed was the peculiar quality of Tamil paranoia, disguised as Chauvanism is the root cause of their evil.

Now it is being followed by Maharashtrians, steered by Raj Thackerey, rightly described by another court jester, as a "mental case".

What we are seeing in Maharashtra today, was perfected by Tamil leaders for decades, in Tamil Nadu.

Now tell me my friend, would you utter it as nonsense?

suresh naig:

""Tamils are paranoids, they see a demon in everything, out to obliterate them and they react. Their reaction is more paranoid than with real reason.""

excellent logic there! any more stereotypes. don't hold back while you're at it. how about occasionally, but not always, eating their kids for breakfast, part??

commonsense;

Thanks for your info, which I never knew all these days, that paranoids eat occassionally, but not always, their kids for breakfast.

Keep your comments, of course with uncommon sense.

suresh, stop being paranoid!!

I think we should provide more arms to the sri lankan Govt. We should encourage the Indian Govt to use our bombers to support the ground offensive. That terrorist, Prabhakaran must be caught and tried. Good show sri lanka.

I don't see why India should interfere in the affairs of a sovereign nation. We did it in the 80s and paid a terrible price. If LTTE are indeed the true representatives of the Sri Lankan tamils, then they better rein in these hoodlums. LTTE have repeatedly refused to negotiate with civility. They understand only the language of force, and force it will have to be. I don't think much good can happen until the present leadership of LTTE is eliminated from the scene altogether.

Ravi

editors, i have predictably stooped to sniping. sorry!

cs:

you just missed the charter to kala paani

being on the wagon is all the more reason to behave

;)

Temporal:

""you just missed the charter to kala paani"

kaala paani? guiness is not bad, but a bit over-rated!!

:)

you missed by an ocean!

if you had been dispatched to kala paani you would have joined this LIST

temporal,

i would have been in good company in port blair!!