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Comment by GB

Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:38:41 EST

Kerty: "Reason why nutcases have to be" Thank you for your kind explanation and acceptance.

Comment by kerty

Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:12:51 EST

GB "As long as people like you live in this country, National Integrity will not be disturbed even by nutcases like Chandra and Kerty!!" Missionaries care only about national conversions, not national integrity or national coexistence. Reason why nutcases have to be.

Comment by GB

Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:46:35 EST

Bravo Vikek Bharat, I being a Christian respect your views and appreciate it. Very educated, decent and shows your moral values. Very much apart from the nut cases like Chandra and Kerty. India has many true sons like you. As long as people like you live in this country, National Integrity will not be disturbed even by nutcases like Chandra and Kerty!! No matter what they try. God Bless You

Comment by sumakani

Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:10:06 EDT

I am surpsised about Ram Singh's comment on allowing all the castes to be allowed to be the priests. It will be a welcome thing however, these neo-priests should ready for loosing reservations and all other benefits bestowed upon by Mr. V P Singh.

Comment by commonsense

Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:52:46 EDT

Chandra: ""Lastly, the coverage of sister Alphonsa makes me very worried about the future of our country. Not because she was ordained a saint by Joseph Ratzinger. But my grouse is with the fact that not a single new media outlet bothered to check the 'miracle' that qualified her to be a saint. Does this mean that our mainstream media outlets believe in miracles? :-)"" Ironically, despite being skeptical, as anyone with half a brain ought to be (such as me!) of "miracles" you seem to assume that it is indeed possible to verify real from fake miracles. this whole business of being annointed a "saint" etc. is a scam, but then people will believe anything, trust me! (even preposterous things such as ""mainstream media folks ...are completely prejudiced against hindus"" or the idea that india is permanently divided along Hindu, Muslim, Christian lines! Take your pick when it comes to bizarre beliefs!)

Comment by Chandra

Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:16:53 EDT

Here is a fantastic article from the Sydney Morning Herald. India missionaries and their friends should read this http://business.smh.com.au/business/sand-futures-a-sure-bet-20081010-4yg2.html

Comment by Chandra

Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:14:29 EDT

The media coverage of the issue is extremely depressing. They seems to suggest that the only fundamentalism is hindu related and christian missionaries can do no harm. There is so much intellectual laziness that not one journalist has bothered to check the actual contribution of missionaries to Indian society. Lastly, the coverage of sister Alphonsa makes me very worried about the future of our country. Not because she was ordained a saint by Joseph Ratzinger. But my grouse is with the fact that not a single new media outlet bothered to check the 'miracle' that qualified her to be a saint. Does this mean that our mainstream media outlets believe in miracles? :-) I like this post in one of the blogs. The next time Mr. Ratzinger is unwell, he should visit Kerala and visit the burial sit of Ms Alphonsa. May be he will be saved by a miracle :-). Idiots, I say.... Lastly, are mainstream media folks now willing to accept that theye are completely prejudiced against hindus? Were there any hindu woman saints during the last 1000 years? I think the answer is, YES. Or is it that these folks are so much in the tank with missionaries that unless ordained by Ratzinger and ilk, one does not qualify as a saint. Pity.....

Comment by Ruvy

Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:24:04 EDT

Vivek, I enjoyed reading this article. I am not Hindu but I certainly can sympathise with how you feel. You may wish to read my article at Blogcritics on a related topic - here the villains are not the Catholics but the Protestants - that pathetic offshoot of the American Board of Missions to the Jews, Jews for Jesus. Christian missionaries are liars and full of deceit. There is a comment to my article by a fellow who at the beginning denounces missionaries - but by the time you get to the end, you see he is hustling Christianity just as much as any pompous Protestant would do. Because he is one.

Comment by Morris

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:34:11 EDT

kerty "How can monotheist religions retain any moral ground if they let that happen?" They cannot. This is why they come in the third world countries and start schools, hospitals and care of the poor such as mother Teresa did. Then it is convinient to show the people they serve their real god. This allows them to retain the appearance of moral ground. Fortunately, majority of the christians in the developed countries have gone past the mine is right concept. I am not sure whether they realize that the missionaries they support in poor countries are continuing to push that concept as hard as they can. Pehraps they do not want to find out. Their next door neighbours may not be christans and they are being told to accept them for whatever they are. So what they are unable to do at home they are doing else where by proxy knowingly or unknowingly. It seems to me that india's secular concept does not teach accepting people as they are. Religions seem to play a big role in their concept. Whether civil or criminal law citizens should be governed by the same laws. But that is not so. If I am not mistaken, separate civil codes is unique to India among major secular democracies. May be India is ahead of others. But what about those subsidies for pilgrims. Another one I just heard that temples are required trustees but there is no such requirements for other places of worship. Correct me if I am wrong. It seems to that the rulers of India want to divide and rule. If that is what they want to do they are doing very a good job. It is a credit to the people of India that in spite of this they seem to be living peacefully more or less. Divide and rule policy is very good for hanging on to power. Who knows they will retain the power even after next election. That will be the proof that this policy is working for them. But sooner or later it will reach a point of no return. That means they will not be able to rectify it. And divide part of the divide and rule policy will start taking roots. I hope it has not past the point of no return.

Comment by kerty

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:08:23 EDT

Morris How can you withhold generosity towards people? Not share the good fortunes with others? Look the other way on the face of human misery? Do nothing and let the fellow humans be misled, and entrapped in web of deceit, untruth and darkness? How can monotheist religions retain any moral ground if they let that happen? They would decry it as suppression of religious freedom. How can monotheism be separated from people without taking away religious freedoms from people? What kind of religiosity would fit such a model?

Comment by Morris

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:35:44 EDT

"World needs diversity. Only people who believe in diversity can co-exist with others." I like that very much. We also believe in diversity. But when it comes to religion, we are privileged to have found genuine real god. You folks have unreal fake gods. And you know we are not selfish at all. We would love to share the benefit of knowing the real god with all you folks. We cannot understand why you are complaining about our generosity. What is wrong with it? Come join us and praise the one and only one real god there is. Monotheists are very generous people.

Comment by commonsense

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:38:55 EDT

Chandra, I prefer to read between the lines, so thanks!

Comment by Chandra

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:33:50 EDT

CS Please read again. I am saying you are anti-hindu

Comment by Sumanth

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:19:58 EDT

All Religions had a very violent past. Yet, the agents in media funded by vested agencies claim that "religions are all about peace" and it is only individuals that are violent. India, Indian culture, society, family system, almost everything is constantly degraded by "religious agencies in western countries" so that funds can be sent to India. Thats the very reason the ugly side of India is always picturised in western media. Then there are other Indians in influential positions who take to "India-hating" as a profession just for the sake of some cheap publicity for selling their books or selling their movies. The real facts and statistics related to Indias do not match with the amount of negativity that is created against India (by Indians with funds from western agencies). Finally, it is sad that the reaction is coming from Bajrang Dal. If Indians had policed themselves and taken pain to see the western designs and stop the "anti-Indian propaganda", Bajrang Dal would not have existed today. Degrading others to "prove a point" is the basic trait of some "western agencies". It is they, who take battles to other's territories and it is the innocents that pay the price. What have these western morons done to 40 million Gypsies? Why have not they saved these "Zigeuners"? Religions have to curbed. Religions always have violent political affiliations through out the history. It is insane to trust "religions" and its powerful leaders even today. Religions do not give freedom to their own followers (in choosing to follow certain practices of other religions), then how come they expect freedom from society and nation? World needs diversity. Only people who believe in diversity can co-exist with others.

Comment by commonsense

Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:20:16 EDT

chandra, you make some excellent points too. but since you are giving 10 bucks to kerty, i guess you have no funds to "buy" my point. perhaps you can buy me a pint one day. thanks however for heartily agreeing to the fact that i am not anti-hindu.

Comment by Chandra

Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:41:36 EDT

Kerty 33 Since CS is unable to mail $ 5, mere taraf se $ 10. You have made excellent points in your post. I think CS makes excellent points on thekedari and non-violence etc but I am unwilling to buy his point that he is not prejudiced against Hindus. Anyway,each person for himself.

Comment by commonsense

Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:12:46 EDT

kerty, thanks for appreciating my point of view! in appreciation of your effort, i wanted to mail you five dollars. unfortunately i have already sealed the envelope, so, perhaps, the next time.