Multiple Bomb Blasts in Ahmedabad, Gujarat

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* "Teena" has posted 4 comments
* "Sam" has posted 2 comments

sam, your comments do absolutely nothing to help to understand or fix the situation. is that your best narendra modi impression or what?

Terrorists don't care whether Hindus or Muslims die; they want Indians to die.

As it is they think the Indian muslims sold out by continuing to live, work and interact with kafirs.

* "Teena" has posted 4 comments
* "Sam" has posted 2 comments

MY friends on the Indian sub-continent are nominally Moslems. Every time an attack like this occurs they shudder. They know what it can mean to Moslems if a mob of Hindus attacks them. And that mob will not differentiate between one Moslem and another, just as bomb blasts do not differentiate one person from another.

It's very saddening for me to read articles like this: I can almost sense the headlines in a few days/weeks/months and don't want to read again about communal riots on the sub-continent. Just on Desicritics alone, I have read too much.

Ruvy, let's not forget the Settler mobs who will shoot Palestinians. Clean up your own house before commenting upon others.

Modi is a decent guy from a lower socio-economic background, who's been scapegoated by the rabid Left (people not unlike waffen-SS posting above). They seem to think that by repeating a lie over and over again, that they can make it the truth.

Ultimately, I think that there's going to have to be Freedom of Dissociation in Indian society, in order for people to preserve their quality of life. Those who believe in values of hard work and civic duty can live their lives separately, and those who believe in the welfare state and in justifying bomb attacks can live their lives separately. Then each can reap the fruits of their own beliefs and contributions. [EDITED-HATE SPEECH]

I regularly find that IMs interact better with Pakistanis than with non-Muslim Indians.

hey sanjay, I surely hope that your waffen-ss BS was not aimed at me. if it was and you're calling me a nazi you'd better duck for now.

also, the face that you would call a mass-murdering bastard like modi decent is beyond words.

Sanjay:

""Ultimately, I think that there's going to have to be Freedom of Dissociation in Indian society, in order for people to preserve their quality of life. Those who believe in values of hard work and civic duty can live their lives separately, and those who believe in the welfare state and in justifying bomb attacks can live their lives separately.""

Those who would shamelessly capitalize on a tragedy are out in full force.

Deepti - "Terrorists don't care whether Hindus or Muslims die; they want Indians to die."

I don't buy that one bit. If the terrorists are Muslims indeed, I am sure they want Hindus to die. Most likely they themselves are Indian Muslims.

Ledzius, there are mosques in Adugudi and Madiwala. And they probably are Indian Muslims but that doesn't mean all Indian Muslims are terrorists or approve of their activities.

By the same yardstick I sure don't want to hauled up for crimes committed by Hindu fanatics.

I hope Mr Modi comes to rescue of the innocents who lost their lives.

Had it not been for Mr Modi, the hindus in gujarat would have been wiped out 10 years ago just as today we have no clue what happened to the kashmiri pundits.
I wish respected Mr Modi would have been the CM of my state in Jammu and Kashmir. Even if it was for 1 month way back in the early 1990s.

where was the congress leader when we kashmiri pundits were chased out of our own homes?

From that IP:

* "Teena" has posted 4 comments
* "Sam" has posted 2 comments

Ruvy, let's not forget the Settler mobs who will shoot Palestinians. Clean up your own house before commenting upon others.

The "settler mobs," my friends and neighbors, have not killed enough "Palestinians" to teach the bastards not to attack our cars in mobs, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails. [EDITED]

[EDITED]That's what cleaning up our own house will entail.

But I'm not discussing the problems in my country, and will not hijack this article for that purpose.

When you and your ilk stop throwing the name Nazi that so rightfully belongs to the BJP and its ancestors in India, when you are willing to smell the stink of genocide on your own sub-continent and admit that so many of you are guilty of - then and only then can you point a finger at me or my people.

Heh...

The DC comment editors can't keep their hands off either facts or opinions that does not please them, can they?

Sanjay,

Come over to my articles at BC and argue with me, if you want. There will be no Desi editors to shut either of us up: you can speak your mind (and I can speak mine) freely, so long as your refrain from personal attacks and threats.

And why has nobody published updates on the dead and wounded? From what little I've seen, there are quite a few - both updates, and dead and wounded.

From the same IP
Deepti has posted comments
and Aaman has posted the comments too.

Common sense is rare.

If that is the case, then I would like to make a dignified exit instead of being the victim of communist editors like the ones here in DC.

I wish BJP was a Nazi govt..how I wish. Then maybe Kashmiri pundits would have still lived in Kashmir.

Please let me know where the BJP govt has chased muslims out or if they are guilty of executing the shameless emergency 3 decades ago.

That credit only goes the CONGRESS govt for creating havoc in India and amongst its people.

I picked this up from AOL (my work requires that I have AOL's garbage as my home-page for the internet; I prefer the clean look of the Google home-page).

This, from the article, backs up my observations in comment #5. Bold pitch is mine.

Prithviraj Chavan, a junior minister in the prime minister's office, called the explosions "deplorable" and said they were set off by people "bent upon creating a communal divide in the country" -- language officials usually use to blame Islamic militants.

The militants' attacks are believed to be an attempt to provoke violence between India's Hindu majority and the Muslim minority.

"Anti-national elements have been trying to create panic among the people of our country. Today's blasts in Ahmadabad seem to be part of the same strategy," federal Home Minister Shivraj Patil told reporters in New Delhi.

Those fears were amplified by the history of Ahmadabad's 2002 riots between Muslims and Hindus. That violence killed about 1,000 people, most of them Muslims. It was triggered by a fire that killed 60 passengers on a train packed with Hindu pilgrims. Hindu extremists blamed the deaths on Muslims and rampaged through Muslim neighborhoods, although the cause of the blaze remains unclear.

Yep, the peddlers of hate - local, national and international - are definitely out in full force today. Funny how they always capitalise on the same stuff: death and destruction!

Hope all with families in Ahmedabad are fine.

The placing of bombs, Sanjay, in heavily Muslim localities both in Bangalore and in Ahmedabad does suggest two things:

One, that communal divide and violence is definitely the major game plan - strange how long a life Mission Kashmir can have.

And second, whoever is behind the bombings definitely has a Taliban/Wahhabi/fanatic view of Islam and Muslims as IMs are not considered "Muslim" enough by many of these fundamentalists and therefore considered justifiable targets.

I do think that there are IMs involved but that does not mean the entire community (of approx 150 million people) is to be blamed.

The best thing would be to counter the "Mission Kashmir" goal by keeping the piece and building bridges. Fastest way to foil these terror attempts.

Follow-on to comment #18.

May G-d - however He is approached - comfort the mourners of the dead, and heal the wounded and injured, granting them full recovery (refuá shlemá)from their injuries in these terror attacks across India.

Deepti writes:
"[EDITED-HATE SPEECH]"

Yeah, that's all that I expect from the dictatorship on this board. Self-proclaimed "moderators" who are always taking sides in debates can't moderate. Not professional by any reasonable standard.

SS writes:
"hey sanjay, I surely hope that your waffen-ss BS was not aimed at me. if it was and you're calling me a nazi you'd better duck for now."

No ducking or squirrely responses from me, sorry.

and:
"also, the face that you would call a mass-murdering bastard like modi decent is beyond words."

Modi murdered no one, nor called for anyone's murder. The fact that the Left-wing slander brigade has successfully marketed this line and built it up to bigger and bigger proportions over time shows that civil society can't last. What's required is a firm dissociation between the irreconcilable parties. Time for the screwy Left to live separately from the sane people. There is no limit to what lies the Left are willing to tell, and thus there is going to be unlimited scapegoating from them. There's no use in living with irrational people, and it's a futile exercise.

Ruvy, the fact is that all of us Shylocks, both the Jewish and the Asian branches, are falling prey to the praetorian manipulations of Europe again. The Europeans("Romans") who first forayed out to the Middle East to colonize Israel and supplant it with the decaying Philistine state (renaming all to Palestine), have now once again resurrected that game for a replay.

India is another further impudent state to be brought to heel by the Europeans, with a revived version of the Great Game.

The only thing that affords the Europeans the luxury of such gamesmanship is that Turkey remains firmly locked under the praetorian "secular" Kemalists and their police state. Maybe Gandhi was right in calling for a return of the Caliphate in Turkey. At least that would have kept European machiavellianism in check, thus thwarting them from using Islamist militancy as their long spear.

Sanjay, you are sadly mistaken if you think I am the only moderator here or that I am out to get 'you'. I have a life outside DC and don't sit around waiting for you to make an appearance so I can edit you and that be the 'high point' of my day.

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http://us.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/27ahd12.htm

Perhaps we can set up another Lalu Prasad Yadav Commission to investigate the cause of these events. Maybe he can then fatuously tell us, as he did the last time, that this was no deliberate attrocity, but only an unfortunate accident caused by clumsy people who spilled kerosene on themselves.

I hope this was not a victory celebration by UPA and and warning shot at BJP.

There will be lots of crocodile tears from congressmen, pity and pittance offered to victims, official visits by PM/Sonia, but the grizzly incident will soon fade from media memory as if nothing had happened, until next terrorist attack happens, and than the same cycle will predictably repeats all over again.

However, should hindus be involved in any communal backlash, we would have whole media and likes of Tista Setalvads crying hoarse in every media outlet for years harping on that incident of hindu backlash - they would not let the incident fade even though people may have gotten tired of the lies and moved beyond the incident. They will keep the incident alive with judicial activism for decades and media will not miss any twist and turn of that judicial activism.

I think Congress has taken its votebank politics too far, who thinks even Jehadis are its votebanks, that the way to win the hearts and votes of Moslems is to appease the jehadi extremists. And why not? Terrorists seems to be doing good ideological job of targeting BJP's political base.

Typically, Congress loses sleep over the safety of terrorists rather than innocent victims of terrorists - but when it comes to enacting anti-terrorist measures, it gets worried about safety of moslem suspects and uses
that as a veto to create a safe heaven for terrorists, their sleeper cells and network among local moslem communities at large.

This terrorist act in Gujarat will ensure that Modi will get re-elected for one another term. There is no way congress can come back to power in Gujarat for forseeable future. And few more blasts, and congress can kiss new delhi goodbye too.

OK, sanjay, you don't agree with me so you call me a nazi? I am a jew who lost family in the holocaust and THAT is how you express your dissatisfaction with my opinion?

you're not a mental giant to begin with, but really sanjay, that is beyond the pale.

Also, you have no proof modi is a "good" man but there is a lot of proof that he did actively rile up people and encourage the gujarat riots and the murder of innocent people. but apparently you feel the murder of innocent people is a cause for jokes.

Don't ever address me again. you are a pitiful and disgusting person.

I have to go to work tomorrow and my employer and many of the coworkers are Hindu gujratis from Ahmadabad, they are such nice to me, I am feeling nervous to see them.

Irfan, level headed people know not to hold innocent people responsible for others crimes. Be careful

Terrorism is a form of war and it has to be fought as war - with urgency and draconian means, like a military engaged in a war. In their quest for votebanks, our sick politicians have denied that option, creating a soft state out of India

So political compulsions have demoted war on terrorism as local law and order problem, to be fought with corrupt machinary designed to deal with civilians. Are they willing to empower law and order agencies so it can fight war on terror? Nope.

If we expect our law enforcement agencies to tackle terrorism, than it has to be endowed with special laws and pre-emptive powers. First thing congress did when it came to power at the center was to dismentaled POTA and than went after crippling all pre-emptive powers of law-enforcement agencies by politicizing and communalizing encounter killings.

Because of center's complicity in aiding terrorism, states have been forced to enact anti-terror laws of their own. Gujarat and Rajesthan governments(their proximity to hostile borders with Pakistan and ISI) have passed reasonable anti-terror laws but Congess at the center has vetoed these laws by not approving them. Not only that, pre-emtive measures taken by these state govenments to go after terror sleeper cells and soft links have been politicized by congress so much so that top brass of law-enforcement agencies have landed themselves in jail, creating a chilling affect on anti-terrorism initiatives by law enforcement agencies. Because any pre-emptive measure will certainly catch few innocents in its net as colateral catch, any terror suspect is a civilian when hauled up, any terror link is as innocent as any other civilian until terror incident actually happens, it is easy to hold media trial of law enforcement agencies and convict them in the court of public opinion and declare handfull of pre-emptive encounters as victimization of an entire community. Guess what, that is what was done to cripple states' resolve to fight terrorism. And now that terrorists have struck against these states, we can see smirk and glee in the media how they have tamed Modi, exacted revenge on Modi, how his tall claims of terrorism-free Gujarat have been blown to peaces, as if baiting him to make his next move. The same kind of glee media took in puncturing BJP's anti-corruption platform by stinging NDA ministers, it now seems to relish in puncturing its anti-terrorism platform. Terrorism has found its usefulness in India.

Haha, notice how my comments are edited, but SS gets to say whatever comments she likes, regardless of whether they are personal insults. Throwing insults at me is like bouncing raisins off an SUV; I could care less.

But I just wanted to point out the glaring bias and double standards on this site. Note that the "moderator" is too much of a coward to even post who they are. It's Deepti, obviously. She's just hiding behind the "moderator" mask to block out any political views she disagrees with. Because the Left are all about censorship, since they're morally and mentally bankrupt.

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Ruvy babbles:
"When you and your ilk stop throwing the name Nazi that so rightfully belongs to the BJP and its ancestors in India, when you are willing to smell the stink of genocide on your own sub-continent and admit that so many of you are guilty of - then and only then can you point a finger at me or my people."

What crap -- same garbage that AM Rosenthal used to spew in the NYT.
Fortunately most Israelis are more sensible than you, and you aren't even remotely representative of them.

For every peddler of hate [EDITED: BAITING] fortunately there are more peddlers of commonsense.

Smallsquirrel, I strongly doubt you're a Jew, in any meaningful sense of the word.

Sanjay,

The only person who can cast doubt upon samallsquirrel's Jewishness is a dayán - a rabbi who is qualified to be a judge as well. Neither you nor I nor anyone but a dayán has that responsibility. In considering her Jewishness, he must consider the following points:

1. Is she the child of a Jewish mother? This is the most important issue, as the definition of a Jew is "the child of a Jewish mother".

2. Has smallsquirrel voluntarily renounced her faith and embraced another? Many Jews were forced to convert to Christianity or Islam and these Jews are ruled not to have converted because the conversion was forced. One point to note: when one voluntarily embraces another faith, they are, per force, renouncing their Jewish identity.

I speak here as one who is painfully familiar with the issues of Jews forced to convert to the ways of the foreigner and who bang forcefully on the gates of the faith of their ancestors. I speak also as one who actually attempts to follow the commandments of the Torah, and who has some familiarity with the law he is subject to.

I leave smallsquirrel to consider the implications of what I have said.

sanjay. you have no right to judge me or my state of jewishness. I am a jew. period. I might not be an observant one, but should the nazis come searching for my people once again, I would be rounded up along with the rest.

I would be offended by your ridiculousness, but in all seriousness, you are really one of the most stupid people I have ever met. you come on this site spewing hate constantly in an attempt to get attention. you use big words that to some might sound intelligent, but the rest of us know they don't mean anything. there is nothing behind the big words. you're just a strawman in every sense of the term. I think you're devoid of just about everything... including moral character. it's not just that I do not agree with you. I think you're truly not a good person. I think you're pathetic. I feel sorry for you.

all you want is attention, be it positive or negative. I refuse to give you any more.

Sanjay,

Not for the first time, you are not welcome here - your negativity is virulent and pointless. Stop picking on individual editors or commenters. Editors, please note: this commenter's comments will be disemvowelled going forward,

Aaman,

I strongly support the move. And this comes from someone who has never questioned editorial decisions that have led to deletions of my intemperate posts being deleted. Please disembowel all peddlers of hate. No need to apologize or explain.

Although, like Anamika, I continue to be a bit confused as to why Ruvy (do delete/edit if this constitutes baiting) gets away with comments that are way more hateful, virulent and totally uncalled for.

ss:

your beliefs are yours and no kahanite should question them

digression: i love you regardless:)

you are a nice caring human being ... this tops subscription (or lack of it) to any divine or man-made belief system

cs:

are kahanites jews?

(only addressee need reply)

are kahanites jews? from their delusional so-called point of view, only they are jews and they believe they have the license to certify others as jews or not. judging by their ideology and actions, they are barely human.

I was in Bangalore on friday when the explosions happened and was encouraged by the response of most people. I think we people are going to finally make difference, whether it is detection or in post explosion response. The Govt can focus on education and spending more resources on pre-empting such attacks.

temp... ruvy is not the one who questioned my beliefs. he actually explained to sanjay why he's an arse.

but yes, I believe being a good human trumps all religion.

The problem with the Congress party is it confuses Gandhian philosophy with secularism of the state. While Gandhism was a form a non-violent protest it can never be a philosophy for good governance by the state. Secularism means that the state does not represent any religion. It leaves faith as a personal choice. Where as the UPA acts like Hindus are the Host community and should be more than kind to muslims. The Indian muslims are equal citizens of india and should have the same rights and duties as every other without appeasement by the state. Calls by the BJP to have a Uniform Civil Code, No appeasement, No Haj Subsidy are somehow made to appear as communal.
It is the Congress that is creating a divide between Indian Hindus and Indian Muslims. Muslims are appeased by tokenism, allowing polygamy and personal law to go on. Are Indian Muslim women not entitled to have a monogamous marriage or will muslim men continue to decide their future in the name of religion? Are they not free Individuals of a Democratic India? If convicted terrorists like Afzal are not hanged and the Congress thinks it appeases the muslims by not hanging the terrorist it is only pigeonholing the entire muslim community. People will think that the muslim community supports the terrorists. These bigotted policies coupled with bad law enforcement ends up in unnecessary communal riots from time to time. When people donot get Justice the frustration builds up and then the outbursts are volcanic in proportions. People need to understand their duties as citizens of India and learn to discriminate between rights and privileges.

Rohan, you are absolutely right.

"Where as the UPA acts like Hindus are the Host community and should be more than kind to muslims."

Right on the mark. Unfortunately, the news media, pseudo secularists and generally the people of India support this conept. This is the reason why muslims overwhelmingly support the congress. Who does not like to be pampered as guest for ever and ever. And the congress having found this vote bank is unlikely to change this policy. It is working for them. There is no easy answer until the people of India realize that this policy is counter productive and push for the change. It is unlikely to happen in near future.

"disemvowelled"? Is that even a word? It's just your phrase for censorship. Like I said, you're allowing SS and Deepti to engage in full negativity and insults without cautioning them. But if I respond, then you'll selectively censor me. It's proof that the Left are dead-set against free and fair debate, as well as free speech.

Certainly, I will seek to contact your partners at Amazon.com to warn them that your below-board conduct should not be associated with their products and services.

You persist in tilting at windmills - time and again, you have been told to stop taking personal attacks on individual readers and editors, despite this you have
a) called one person a Nazi
b) said another revels in the death of unborn children in terrorist attacks
(and that's just on this thread)

No one is compelled to click on Amazon or any link, in fact, I doubt most of our readers even do, given their geographical distribution. Even so, we appreciate our sponsors and believe they would not like to see your hateful comments on the site.

You have not demonstrated decency or fair conduct. If you can comment on articles without attacking other commenters/readers/editors, you may continue, else your comments will be deleted/edited/censored whenever you cross the line as per our policies.

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# 19

"The best thing would be to counter the "Mission Kashmir" goal by keeping the piece and building bridges. Fastest way to foil these terror attempts."

How sweet and shameless. You deserve tow noble prizes for attempting to befool Indians more then Gandhi.

Gandhi tried to build these bridges all through his life. He virtually disarmed non Muslims while Jehadis remailed fully armed.

Outcome:

3 million innocent deaths and destruction of billions in 1947. Same thing is getting repeated. Jehadis are making India bleeding. neo gandhis are preaching us to build bridges?

And problem will never get solved?

Indians were befooled by similar Sufi type of `bridge builders' whose job always to create a soft corner for Jehaids and diluet anger and spirit of ordinary people to fight back the tyranny. We remained slaves for 700 full years.

Then a great man known as Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj eneterd in to the scene with two swords in his hands(miri and piri) and elimintaed tyrrant Mughal rule forever.

O Indians read about your forfathers how they solved the problem.

Gandhi made the problem worst. India is bleeding due to flawed policies of Nehru and Gandhi that equates a Jehadi with Patriots.

Mind it I am not blaming whole Muslim community. I am talking about Jehadis active in this land since 713 AD till date and bleeding the motherland.

I call upon all India lovers to understand psychology of Jehad and jehadis. This ideology intends to establblish Muslim rule all over the earth (all muslims do bot buy this ideology). Therefore one day or the other Indians have to take sword in their hand and eliminate the evil as Guru Gobind Singh Ji maharaj did.

It is not an ordinary law and order problem. Civil Judicial system meant for ordinary criminals will not work here. It is a war on nation and terrorists has to be declared war criminals and ..

Otehrwise be ready to live in terror for ever. You work hard and they will loot away every 50 years.

Those who were kicked out of Pakistan in 1947 might be knowing the truth how economocally developed they were and how their hard earned propert was captured by jehadi elements.

Those who were kicked out bangla Desh in 1971 might be knowing better how their hard earned property were declared enemy propert and captured by jehadi elements.

Those who were recently kicked out of kashmir valley will knowing even better how everything was destroyed and looted from them by jehadis recently.

You create wealth and technology in banglore, they will come and loot away every 50 years.

If you feel its fine and we won'nt mind getting looted cheated raped and murdered, please get engaged in `building bridged' as advised by Anamika.

If you want to live a dignified life and wish your hard earned wealtha dn knowledge should be used by your decenedents or needy humanity and not by jehadi looters, please stand up. Take up weapons of pen, internet, blogging, media and even Guns if need be and eliminate this menance of jehad.

Man Singh,

Can you provide an executive summary of your boilerplate views please?

Man Singh:

""If you feel its fine and we won'nt mind getting looted cheated raped and murdered, please get engaged in `building bridged' as advised by Anamika""

I thought an engineer might be interested in bridges, if not actually interested in building them?

CS, have you checked your mail off late?

Just like Pappu can't dance, some engineers can't build:)

Deepti #51,

Just did! (I'm too busy on DC to check my email :))

Since Man Singh is not too forthcoming, busy fighting dacoits in his village no doubt, I will help him out with an executive summary.

"A long time ago, India (ie. Bharat) was verily a land of milk and honey. Tigers were vegetarians, they pranced and danced with the deer, and both ate cabbages handed out to them by the gentle and innocent villagers. The so-called venom of the cobra was in fact not at all venomous. All of them were united in their effort to keep the dacoits at bay, except that there were no dacoits to be fought, so they had it quite easy.

Then one day, the first commie emerged; and then a whole string of them: Rousseau, Marx etc. Around the same time, some anti-communism in the guise of Islam emerged. They hated each other. But their hate created mayhem for the world, especially India ie. Bharat. Now, they hate India more than they hate each other, and they are determined to destroy and humiliate us. We may be one billion strong, but we are mentally and ideologically outnumbered by these two-timing jecommies (jehadies crossed with commies) and now our very future is at stake. Please promise you will look under your bed and in your closets to make sure there's no jecommie hiding there. Once these rogues are eliminated, India will once again be the superpower that it used to be, long, long ago. Please do this if you have any semblance of self-respect and do not wish to wallow in humiliation that has been visited upon you since the birth of the jihadis and the commies. We Indians have no power and everything is controlled by them jecommies. Please pitch in so we can go back to utopia that has been wrecked by them."

Aaman writes:
"You persist in tilting at windmills - time and again, you have been told to stop taking personal attacks on individual readers and editors, despite this you have
a) called one person a Nazi
b) said another revels in the death of unborn children in terrorist attacks
(and that's just on this thread)"

Who are you to determine what is a windmill to be tilted at? These are just your subjective opinions.

[Conjectures sent out to pasture by the friendly editor]

Sanjay:

""Who are you to determine what is a windmill to be tilted at? These are just your subjective opinions.""

Objective opinion: No windmills are to be tilted at, unless you fancy yourself to be Don Quixote

Friendly Editor to Sanjay:

""[Conjectures sent out to pasture by the friendly editor]""

Oh no! Sanjay ain't no vegetarian. Going by his comments, he seems to be a raving "humanitarian" who eats only fellow humans. He could have been sent out to a mela of misanthropists where they enjoy devouring each other. An automatic end to auto-chutiapa for sure.

[Friendly, Smiling editors suggests Sanjay should read the comment policy. He is free to dissociate if he disagrees and flush himself out]

Take the garlands of flowers and worship these terrorists. Nice bridges will be build.

Truth is that all through history, humanity has sufferd not that much due to active bad people but due to `inactive good people'.

This indirect support to terrorists by commies is more dangerous then bombing itself.

Justification of crime and compainging to build bridged with criminals in place of punishing them always embomdens the criminals and weakens the innocent people.

Enemies of humanity has to be punished even if they are hiding among normal civilians.

If people are ready to befool themselves its upto them.

laato ke bhoot baato se nahi maante. I have seen how Malaysian Government carried out combing openration against communiost terrorists and eliminated them.

Steps they took :

1. Banned communism by Law.
2. carried out special operation againt them and eliminated each and every supporter of terror whereever they were.

Result : Malaysia enjoyed peace and prosperity and within 25 years made a respectable place in world community in spite of communla diversity more challenging then India.

If we people do want to take practical deciisons and go by emotional idealistic deciisons we'll keep on suffering.

CS "Terrorists ill never be non violent" in spite of all efforts of Gandhi to build bridges.

Gandhi failed because he tried to make tiger vegetarian. Humanity suffered though.

But you being an indirect sumpthiser of terrorists, will never feel the pain of those who suffered in 1947 or any other terror attack.

You never come up with argument or methodlogy how to solve the problem. You always use only one weapon: ie ridicule the writer. How long you can befool the people.

Engineers prosper with peace and prosperity of the society. More prosperous society is better bussiness Engineers will do.

Communist prosper with chaos, war, misery, unrest, illetracy and poverty. More sufferings in society, more communits will breed.

now readers can easyly understand why commies support all acts that weaken India, that promote illetracy and povery and attack on civilisational values of any land.

Man Singh:

""Truth is that all through history, humanity has sufferd not that much due to active bad people but due to `inactive good people'.""

True! But where do you fit in?

And actively bad person or an inactive good person? More than slightly confused, as usual.

Man Singh:

""now readers can easyly understand why commies support all acts that weaken India, that promote illetracy and povery and attack on civilisational values of any land.""

Yes!!! it's all crystal clear now. Thanks! (And I am no longer a monkey either! Sad)

The Indian commies are a disillusioned lot. They cannot produce a home grown Marx or a Mao. All they can do is produce parties in their name who worship them. They confess Atheism but worship Marx and Mao. Thus they are Deists of a different kind, although still not capable of thinking on their own. That is why they've not been successful in India inspite of desperate poverty. Their policies are guided by the Chinese who while, themselves turn to privatisation use the Indian commies like "Vibhishan". Ghar kaa Bhedi Lanka Dhaye is just as true today as it was during the time of Rama! The Indian commies thus are just stooges instead of revolutionaries! They stay in power by supporting Islamists and thus oppose the very secularism they are supposed to hold in high esteem. Their cowardice was visible when they sent Taslima Nasreen to a BJP ruled state instead of defending secular principles. The time for them was 1947 when most of India was poor and they could have built the Industrial base of India, and found sympathy for the cause but they were no good then and are completely useless now when communism has failed worldwide and even China and Russia are privatising everything!

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CS #60

I am always for eliminating the furious snakes ready to attack innocent people.

I told you I am to beat back teh dacoits. I did it myself when my village was being terrorised. dacoits were beaten back along with their local associates.

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Man Singh:

""I told you I am to beat back teh dacoits. I did it myself when my village was being terrorised. dacoits were beaten back along with their local associates.""

You did? I'm hearing this for the first time...

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Rohan:

""The Indian commies are a disillusioned lot.""

Not sure which is better: when the commies were ""illusioned"" or now that they are ""disillusioned""?

My illusions: in a pluralist democracy, we need to take on board all workable and semi-workable ideas on and to reject the rest. This is a process that continues forever as we tinker and readjust, in response to larger social change. To come up with a black/white scenario of commie vs. anticommie, is not a very productive way of approaching the issue.

#67

"commie vs. anticommie, is not a very productive way of approaching the issue."

Yes identifying the people who are pro-Jehadis is very much needed.

Pro jehadi and anti jehadi division is the foundation of success in fight against jehad.

If you feel identifying the enemy and their associates is not a productive way of approaching the rpoblem, why don'mt you produce more productive ways on how to eliminate jehaids and their associates?

If you are exhausted of ideas then avaialable ideas are simply the best untill beter ideas are in place.

Bottom line is how to eliminate terror and protect death and destruction of innocent people by jahdis.

the whole world is trying to find ways to eliminate terrorism and is frustrated by the "invisible" enemy...reams are written on causes, and how to identify and prevent...but so far nothing seems to curb its growth...power...heavy and disproportionate display of power is also unable to curb it...this is the conundrum the world faces


Bottom line is how to eliminate terror and protect death and destruction of innocent people by jahdis.

identifying the people who are pro-Jehadis is very much needed.

There is an old journalist's trick - follow the money and see where it leads. If it leads to Saudi or to the Moslem Brotherhood, and I'm sure it does, I want a percentage.

MS:

""If you feel identifying the enemy and their associates is not a productive way of approaching the rpoblem, why don'mt you produce more productive ways on how to eliminate jehaids and their associates?"'

Man Singh, as I said earlier, convene a maha-sammelan to which everyone is invited. Serve them pakoras laced with a special ingredient that induces virulent diahhorea but ONLY in jehadis and them commies. In a few minutes all the jihadis and commies will be swimming in their on shit. Next step: pull them out with especially designed poles and hooks, then, as Ledzius advises us, arrange for a mass "extra judcial execution" mela. Don't forget to invite all the non-jihadis and anti-commies to witness this tamasha. Problem solved. No angst, no unnecessary hand-wringing. Easy as 1-2-3. Commonsensical, no complications. Just like your villagers and dacoits formula. Any questions?

CS, totalitarian communists talking of taking all pluralist ideas on board is an oxymoron in itself. If communists took peoples ideas on board there would be no Gulags and Tianenmen Square massacres. I don't need lessons in plurality from Communists and that too Indian communists who are just stooges for foreign powers with no commitment toward Indians. They use their rights to weaken the Democracy. The Indian communists who let crores of Bangladeshis into India commit the worst crime against the Indian poor. Whose jobs are lost or become underpaid when the population increases for no reason through illegal immigration? Thats how they've stayed in power in WB for 30 years by issuing ration cards to the illegals in return for votes.

Rohan,

Lot of the policies of the welfare state, socialized medicare common in much of Western Europe and Canada and many other non-communist countries represent exactly the what I'm talking about. Even Singapore, hardly a communist country, has socialized housing. Taking on relevant and workable socialist ideas and junking the utopian crap. You would be able to see it as such if you did not trade in manichean dichtomies of commies vs. anti-commies.

CS,
You are being evasive again. When India faces Maoists naxals and complete moral bankruptcy of the left they hardly stand for a pluralistic society. They and the Congress party are only oppurtunists who oppose eachothers policies but join hands after the election to keep the BJP out of power. What they think of the BJP is irrelevant if the BJP gets the majority mandate of the people. Unless the left and UPA become truly secular they will not get any sympathy from me. I will not fall for their psy-ops.All socialistic policies have given us in the last 60 years is an inefficient bureaucracy ,red tapism and corruption of the worst kind. The little development that has happened through the private sector in India is inspite of the Govt and not because of it.

Rohan # 74:

Have you thought of being the court jester yourself?? A self-confessed pluralist anti-commie DEMOCRAT like you, complaining the CPM gets ELECTED for thirty years without a break?

As for the government having NO role in development, pick up a simple book on Korea, Singapore etc. for starters. Or even Japan. Heard of something called MITI in Japan?

This whole dichotomy of total state vs. no state for development is good kool-aid stuff, but real societies do not come in either or versions. All a question of balance, yes, pluralist, democratic balance.

CS, i don't really need to be! You are doing a pretty good job of it, mate. Instead of always trying to speak for other people (Self confessed this and that) and yourself you'd appear in better light if you just gave your opinion on things. But as it is such honesty is forthcoming from you. All i see is nervous rantings of a failed commie. So you can continue to humour us all.

CS, i don't really need to be! You are doing a pretty good job of it, mate. Instead of always trying to speak for other people (Self confessed this and that) and yourself you'd appear in better light if you just gave your opinion on things. But as it is such honesty is not forthcoming from you. All i see is nervous rantings of a failed commie. So you can continue to humour us all.

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It's just you,