Desicritics Comments on Government Considers Reviewing Anti-Dowry Laws

Comment by anand

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:26:21 EDT

i agree that the dowry problem exists and the brides family is at a disadvantage but i dont know why some people cannot admit that these laws are being misused and there should be safegaurds to prevent it and equally severe penalities for those who misuse it. and this is not the only misandrist law that india has come up with. recently a new law states that SEX AFTER FALSE PROMISE OF MARRIAGE = RAPE. http://www.ibnlive.com/news/sex-after-false-promise-of-marriage-is-rape-court/56328-3.html?xml i think this deserves a new thread.

Comment by Kareem

Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:33:01 EDT

New find just going through news http://www.498a.org/contents/paperArticles/Renuka%20chowdhary%20puts%20498a%20on%20her%20daughter%27s%20husband%20and%20in%20law.pdf

Comment by Kareem

Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:27:41 EDT

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Comment by rashpal

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:06:04 EDT

Firstly, I would like to take the time in thanking you all for your valuable time. I am also a victim of this law.This law has been passed to destroy the indian husbands & their families.We are always going to remain backwards.The western countries have always been ahead of us and they will always remain ahead.If you are the judges/lawyers/ mp's and police, it won't be long when you too will be a victim of this law.Everyday is not sunday.If God was here, he too would have been a victim of 498A and Domestic Violence.Every four minutes a case is filed against the innocent families.It is as easy as ordering pizza.If you think for a second, how could every family-in-laws be bad.Lastly, by calling someone a criminal, he/she doesn't become one, if India says so.That's a different story and no comments on that.Where corruption lasts forever.I feel sorry for the innocent families who are suffering from this 498A & Dv act.Many of them have committed suicide inside the jails and outside.How long can you live in luxury, if the money was earned falsely, for your kind information it won't last forever, and you are not going to live forever.You can bribe the police but you can not buy life by bribing God.May God Bless these women with some sense. Those that try to fly too high in a false world, always fall head first to the ground. According to me, this law should be brought to an end.It has done enough damage to the innocent families.Lastly , no more tulsi's are left in India and nowadays you would find the new 498A and Dv act tulsi's.Hey women you better change yourselves, it won't be long when the time changes and God isn't sleeping.I think people should marry the law instead of women. Nowad ays. women in India look at the mans' pocket, rather than the qualities of the man himself. Is this what the world is coming to?Is this what India is all about?If this is the case, than I can say, that I am ashamed to be a part of India.The people of this country are a disgrace, because they are letting corruption, false cases, and lies eat away at the very people who are trying to help.Indian people in western countries look at India to get married, not because it's easy to do so, but because they are under the wrong impression that girls in India are decent. Well, I feel sorry for these people, because, they are going to learn through experience, as most of us have done.I agree that most women have suffered in silence, and yes their husbands deserve to be punished, but the women who are using this Law to extort money out of innocent families, should be given the worst punishment in history!!! Dowry laws should be removed for good and who came up with this idea, India is to be blamed for the pathetic laws.

Comment by Man Singh

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:53:29 EDT

Please analyse the problem in totality and not based on men and women. Greed is the root of evil. man or woman both can be greedy. `Lobhaah paapasya kaarnam' says ancinet sanskrit literature. Root of sins is greed. Anybody can be greedy and we have to train the humanity to control 5 famous enemies greed on of them (kaam - Lust, Krodh-anger, Lobh-greed, Moh -attachment, Mad- arrogance/ego). To control these five enemies of humanity, laws can never help. It is Dharma that kills these enemies. But India being Dharamnirpeksh(isolated from Dharma as literal meaning) , these problems can never be solved without Dharma. You people can keep on arguing for million years, unless greed controlling mechanism of Dharma is injected in people, this problem will never be solved. Weak will continue to get exploited(man or woman whoever is weak). Let's attack at the root of the evil ie Greed irrespective of who is infected with it man or woman? This holistic approach will solve the problem in totality.

Comment by DCritic

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:15:38 EDT

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Comment by Harsha

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:49:23 EDT

Kudos to Renuka. She attended the review meeting with male right activists today and declared that she will put a stop to arrest of innocent women. She has said she does not care about Indian men though as they have exploited women for 1000 years. A harsher dowry law is on anvil. As per this law according to Renuka the provision to negate any marriage if the first wife decides to punish the husband. Thereby the husband cannot marry any other woman. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOI/navigator.asp? Daily=TOIM&login=default&AW=1214397889375

Comment by FF

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:57:17 EDT

That's also why I prefer sensible love marriages to the traditional arranged marriages, which are more like business transactions. In case you are not aware, marriage as defined in law is a "Contract" governed by financial(business) constraints like Alimony, money to woman in the name of maintenance and child support, return of dowry articles, right in husband's property and earnings e.t.c. And all above are applicable for either type of marriages. So for a man it certainly does not matter whether it is a love marriage or an arranged one.

Comment by FF

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:42:48 EDT

Ayan...What exactly stops you from spitting on a woman's face if they are bribing a male to meet their vested interests.

Comment by Ayan Roy

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:33:17 EDT

I consider the act of giving and accepting dowry far beneath my honour and dignity; it's just like offering and accepting bribes. I consider men who accept dowry as greedy, spineless people who don't have an iota of self-respect and honour. I would spit on a man and his family who willingly and gleefully accept dowry. Similarly, girls' families who offer dowry too lack self-respect and confidence, as they don't think too highly of their own girl. It's as if the girl's family is trying to buy over a guy to get rid of her. The most terrible thing about many Indian (mainly Hindu) families and their marriage customs is that subconciously, girls are thought to be a "burden" and any guy who's marrying them is doing the girl's family a great, great 'FAVOUR'. Hence he (and his family) need to be appeased. That's the worst despicable mental attitude ingrained in the DNA of so many Indians, which has got to change if we as a society have to get rid of this filthy practice called dowry. That's why it's so important for girls (en masse) to get educated well, build careers and stand up on their own feet. In my opinion, it's far better a girl goes unmarried than gets married unwillingly with a hefty dowry. That's also why I prefer sensible love marriages to the traditional arranged marriages, which are more like business transactions. Any gift should be earned through effort, respect and good-will, not as a bribe. Love and peace to all, Ayan

Comment by Aditi Nadkarni

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:15:11 EDT

Yes I am a "poor minded" unimaginative racist and you siffers are friggin imaginative genuises....so figure out a goddamn loophole for ur problems then and stop the moanin and bitchin. While you guys are at it could some of u also be civil (I know its hard for you but try, try) and pls stop posting duplicate comments and spamming. That shouldn't take much imagination now should it?

Comment by FF

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:57:09 EDT

Some of the last few comments seemed to be desperate attempt at racial slur which is obviously oblivious to the fact that distance between x and y is the same as distance between y and x. So much so for the evolution from chimpanzee... BTW, that reminds me of somebody posting a link to an article (in a journal) a while back, which stated that as far as genetic composition is concerned human females resemble chimpanzees more than human males.

Comment by FF

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:45:44 EDT

Those who can not imagine should blame themselves for their poor minds.

Comment by Aditi Nadkarni

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:19:36 EDT

Seema: I cannot imagine how I could even begin to explain to you where some of these guys are coming from. Its best you just not try to understand. People say man evolved from chimpanzees and yet when we see some of the stuff that chimpanzees do we cannot possibly rationalize their actions or explain what they are saying. We just have to wait for evolution to catch up with those that were left behind. As for the dowry business: its a vicious cycle. those that pay it blame the ones who accept it. those that want it have to find a way to justify their greed and therefore will blame the ones paying it up.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:40:24 EDT

someone please stop the sniffer spam

Comment by Gope Lalwani

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:05:44 EDT

Fake Dowry case misusing 498A by lawyer daughter/ father duo. She is an law attorney admitted to practice in Bombay. She came to USA on Fiance K-1 Visa to marry US Citizen. She married in USA Court and subsequently she was divorced by order of the Superior Court New Jersey USA. Her father is senior practising advocate at Bombay High Court . While the divorce proceedings against her were in progress in USA, she realised that she can not stop the petitioner from obtaining divorce against her and that she was not likely to get any amount of money or property in settlement. She resorted to the misuse of the police machinery in India, with oblique motives to bring pressures, wreak revenge and unleash legal-terror. She filed complaint at Police Station in Bombay, making allegations against each and every member of the family ( USA Citizens) alleging cruelty to her in USA. The complaint was the Counter-Blast to the on going divorce proceedings in USA. She did not disclose in the complaint, that there was divorce case pending against her in USA, and the same was being contested by her and her lawyer father; in which they had demanded / claimed US $ 200 Thousand in settlement.

Comment by DCritic

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:11:27 EDT

@ seema your friends parents "have already made arrangements for a handsome dowry" - so whose mistake is it anyway!?. Let the girl resist the 'purchase' of an NRI groom for her. Find a guy with a smilar wavelength, so she need not marry up or down, let her just marry(if this is not possible, get ready for the parents sale proposal, whether it is upwards or downwards). I am talking about the villages like your friend is living, its a fact of life there, hope you don't resist the truth anymore. If anyone wants to change the system, get out of it and lead by example(and not arrange for handsome dowry and wait for a US groom/bakra!). If she is educated let her work and find someone worthy herself, whats so impossible in that?. Tell your friend and see what she tells you, no need to tell us, but u will understand which village we all are in!.

Comment by DCritic

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:08:33 EDT

Comment by Mohamed

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:34:16 EDT

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Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:31:08 EDT

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Comment by ravi

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:32:32 EDT

@seema !!!!!What generation do some of you belong to.....!!!! hmm.. i can explain, but there is proverb in telugu... the translation for that is," you can wake=up a sleeping person, but not the one who is pretending like that". So explaining what is downwards to you is not meaningful. !!!!A marriage is supposed to be about two people wanting to spend their life together and are compatible.!!!! you are right about the marriage. But tell me, if anybody thinks about economic side of the marriage really affects their relationship in future? obsoletely not (most of the times). If yes, in india divorce rate must be very high compared to other countries in the world. Still India is better.. compared to other countries where there is no dowry. !!!!When two people are compatible, in love ...!!! true,only if that man and women in love... generally in india, love marriages are very less compared to arranged marriages... The example you gave( US doctor... marrying..), is the perfect example to marrying downward. that means you know what it is? that's why i said the proverb "wake-up a sleeping person..". And i am sure there is no dowry in your example. So why not girls do the same...?

Comment by Egg-Jaktly

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:06:02 EDT

Just a simple question to all the Dowry-givers! Do ALL the guys in the world ask you dowry when you want to marry your girl? WHY DO YOU MARRY A GIRL TO A PERSON WHO ASKS DOWRY, AND THEN CRY HOARSE OVER IT? STOP MARRYING YOUR GIRLS TO PEOPLE WHO ASK FOR DOWRY! As simple as that, to stop the dowry system in the country. It can't be stopped by passing such horrendously stupid laws and making sure they're grossly misused.

Comment by Sandeep

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:41:34 EDT

Check truth , by scaned letter of WCD. http://www.ghrs.in/images/Dharna_Seminar/wcdletter.pdf

Comment by Sandeep

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:40:29 EDT

Check truth , by scaned letter of WCD. http://www.ghrs.in/images/Dharna_Seminar/wcd%20letter.pdf

Comment by Sandeep

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:37:59 EDT

THe women ministry is lying to press delibrately as usual. This meeting is not for dowry law misuse prevention. Check www.ghrs.in ( Seminars and Dharnas) Scaned copy of the invitation letter. They want to involve mens rights activists for women empowerment.