SATIRE

Machiavellian Revenge

June 02, 2008
Sumanth

If we take a closer look, senior  men are quite powerful in India. Older Men occupy powerful positions in politics and rule places like the Parley-mint, the beau-row-crazy, the media etc. in India, that we are not even allowed to criticize. These old men know everything. They know what is good or bad for the society and the nation.

They ban the bar girls, Cheerleaders and implement dress code every where. They just refuse to give up their power and more importantly their point of view. A large percentage of them are patriarchal male chauvinists.

Unfortunately, old men in India also have another problem. They are past their prime and many of them are not attractive at all. During their heydays they went to great topless bars in Bangalore and sipped Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster while doing all the nice things with no fear of AIDS.

Those who can afford, maintained two or three mistresses on the side. Now, these men have a very real problem. The younger males are getting four times more salary compared to them even in the beginning of their career. To make the matters worse, the sex life of most old males is virtually dysfunctional. Painfully, they suppress themselves as they see the young males having beautiful babes in arms in shopping malls. They wish for an opportunity to go to Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok or Damrak in Amsterdam, but they can not just afford the trip.

They feel neglected. To suppress this depressing and suffocating experience, they have to cling to something and they have to salvage something. It perplexes them that in spite of all the positional power in their hands, they are losing out in the battle for sex. During their time, they used every opportunity to show their manhood on the "sex objects", whom they used to beat up, oppress, blackmail, abandon or harassed at workplace.

Due to a tragic twist of fate, the powerful old males ended up fighting a losing battle with the powerless young males for sex. It is the survival of the fittest now.

In that losing battle, the old improvised their strategies and methods. These old MCPs oppress women and maintain patriarchy.

Even today the older males want rape victims to marry the rapists. When feminists attack back, the old tactfully direct that attack towards the younger males so that they can kill two birds with one stone. They provoke feminists and at the same time feed younger men to "draconian demonic laws" .

The young men get tears in their eyes as they are separated from their children. They became bankrupt being forced to pay huge amounts of court settlements so that they can not dream of having sex with another young female for a decade.

The older men celebrate that they could give a blow to at least some young men in the battle for sex.

The Mars-Venus theory suddenly collapses.

Sumanth is specialist in Soft-Computing. He is also a researcher in the area of Cognitive Science, Complex Dynamical Systems, and computational sociology. He manages software projects for enterprise printers in an MNC firm. He blogs at SIF website.
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#1
IdeaSmith
URL
June 2, 2008
06:54 AM

Now I'm confused. So do the older men have it better or not? And how old is 'older'? And do the same young men who commit the rape 'get tears in their eyes as they are separated from their children'?

As far as I can see, if there's a theory at all here, it is that there are new planets that we haven't discovered as yet.

#2
Sumanth
June 2, 2008
07:20 AM

IdeaSmith,

This article questions how appropriate is it to categorize all men into one category while analysing social issues.

The social transitions in India related to gender happened very recently, ie mostly in last 10 years or so. It is too late for older males to be non-patriarchal as their minds are fully conditioned.

Just the way, feminists categorise all mothers-in-law, sisters-in-law as evil and all daughters-in-laws to be savitris, we can also categorise men as patriarchal old males and relatively non-patriarchal younger males.

In this shift of paradigm, one can see that the older males have a relatively good time as it is the young males who face the feminist fire when the older males take pot shots at feminism or gender equality.

Every time, a older male talks about dress code, the feminists spit fire, which often gets directed towards younger males.

India society respects age. So, feminists find it easy to attack a younger male than an old MCP. Feminists like Renuka Chowdhury say, its time for men to suffer. When they say that they mean its time for young men to suffer. Please note, Renuka came in favour of an old, but influential Arjun Singh when he was accused of dowry extortion.



#3
ushnishas
June 2, 2008
05:43 PM

No sympathy is engendered for old men who want to continue going to Bangkok for sex fun. I feel for the starving many who do not even know when their next meal is coming.

Any young man who loses his wife and children because of dalliance or rape with other women deserves it as it was his knowing choice.

I am glad that there still exist men who know true responsibility and love, and shoulder that responsibility without thinking twice about it.

Once people used to talk about dying in Kashi, the ultimate spiritual place where they say if you die you get moksha.

Now Bangkok is the place. Huh!

Why don't they dump all these old men, irresponsible young men and sex workers in one
place, engender all the foul diseases that go along with such things, quarantine them, and be done with it!

#4
ushnishas
June 2, 2008
05:45 PM

No sympathy is engendered for old men who want to continue going to Bangkok for sex fun. I feel for the starving many who do not even know when their next meal is coming.

Any young man who loses his wife and children because of dalliance or rape with other women deserves it as it was his knowing choice.

I am glad that there still exist men who know true responsibility and love, and shoulder that responsibility without thinking twice about it.

Once people used to talk about dying in Kashi, the ultimate spiritual place where they say if you die you get moksha.

Now Bangkok is the place. Huh!

Why don't they dump all these old men, irresponsible young men and sex workers in one
place, engender all the foul diseases that go along with such things, quarantine them, and be done with it!

#5
Mark
URL
June 2, 2008
08:05 PM

Huh?

#6
ushnishas
June 3, 2008
01:46 AM

De-cluttering.

Time we got rid of the clutter. Give them what they want in a cordoned-off place of no return.

#7
IdeaSmith
URL
June 3, 2008
01:49 AM

@ Sumanth: Valid point. I stand corrected for my flippant remark. I guess I misunderstood.

#8
Sumanth
June 3, 2008
04:34 AM

IdeaSmith:

The older men will make sure to shower all kinds of advice on younger men and women even when the marriages have irretrievably broken down.

The older men also do not want younger men to emotionally connect with their children and its the older men who are at loss to understand why a man in early 30s is so eager for child visitation or shared parenting (during separation).

In my next article, I will show how the old will pay the price "very soon" for being patriarchal as the young males turn against patriarchal judiciary and bureaucrats.

#9
amused
June 3, 2008
01:58 PM

I am amused if patriachy goes away what femist will do ?

They can not demand maintenance, they have to live their own

#10
ushnishas
June 3, 2008
06:25 PM

amused,
For one they will spell correctly. Next women already have shown they can take on nearly all men's jobs.
When sperm banks open, then there will only be a few drones left.

#11
Sumanth
June 3, 2008
10:58 PM

ushnishas,

"Next women already have shown they can take on nearly all men's jobs."

[Unsubstantiated blathering edited - you do not speak on behalf of all men]

#12
Sumanth
June 4, 2008
10:15 AM

Comment 11,
Is it the hight of jealousy and censorship?

#13
ushnishas
June 4, 2008
11:32 AM

Mere observation. Look around you, there are so many women working, even as pilots, welders, mechanics, taxi-drivers, truck-drivers, which are supposed to be men's jobs.

It is spelt height.

Perhaps men are jealous that women are proving themselves as capable as men. I don't think women think twice about it except as far as salaries are concerned. Why is there discrimination in wages for women and wages for men? Why are women paid much less for doing the same job?

#14
Lexiss
June 4, 2008
01:55 PM

Nice article. I quite agree.

#15
amused
June 4, 2008
02:29 PM

"Why is there discrimination in wages for women and wages for men?"

yes you are right, there should not be discrimination in tax exemption.

woman and man should be paying equally income taxes

:))

#16
ushnishas
June 4, 2008
02:56 PM

I did not say anything about tax exemption. However I strongly feel that the amount to be exempted from tax should be much higher.And definitely if the wages for the same kind of job
are the same for men AND women, then the tax exemption should also be the same.
amused,
do brush up your English. We are not amused.

Income tax Exemption limits in India:

Rs 1,00,000 for males below 65 years
Rs 1,35,000 for women below 65 years(must be citizen of India)
Rs 1,85,000 for men and women 65 years and above (Must be citizen of India)

Tax Slabs:

For income between 1-1.5 lakh 10%
For income between 1.5-2.5 lakh 20%
For income above 2.5 lakh 30%

If income is above rs 10 lakh there is surcharge of 10% on the total tax(marginal relief is available)

There is also education cess of 2% on total tax + surcharge.

#17
amused
June 4, 2008
08:36 PM

I don't have good english language skill, I born to poor parent, who are farmer in village.

I do not feel shame that my parent are not english
people and I am proud of that,
and I do not have english language skill.

#18
ushnishas
June 4, 2008
08:56 PM

Nani Palkhiwalla was born of poor parents. He was so poor that he did not have even a light at home to study.

He would go on the street and study under the streetlights. He became India's leading constitutional lawyer, and later India's ambassador to the United States of America.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

#19
Sumanth
June 5, 2008
01:51 AM

ushinhas,

If I reply to any of your statements, I guess an over jealous editor can edit it.

Let me remind you, this article is about the tussle between older and younger men. This article is also against patriarchy.

Please, do not get into another gender debate.

Do not compare men and women as it will easily lead to defeat. Because, it is men who suffer or face oppression more than women (when you look holistically). So, the more you disturb the system, it is the women who are going to lose out on a long run.

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#20
Aditi Nadkarni
URL
June 5, 2008
02:53 AM

Sumanth: "Because, it is men who suffer.....(when you look holistically)"

When we look HOLISTICALLY?!!

HOLISTICALLY? How does one look at this holistically?

:D

Secondly why are all these "oppressed" men such long suffering bastards. Why don't they bloody get some balls? Or is that "holistically" not possible?

#21
ravi
June 5, 2008
04:53 AM

Any feminist or most women support some biased laws with one statement. From centuries women suffered in the hands of men. But how the men of this generation are responsible centuries of suffering? I asked this question to one of old gentlemen, he is just silent after that( who argued same as feminists). Most of the old men really lives in 70's or 80's in the 2008 also. They can't understand the problems of men in this generation.

#22
ushnishas
June 5, 2008
03:07 PM

The truth is that it is men who depend upon women. Without them they would be lost.

Even in the Stone Age it was women who went hunting for food and fed their progeny, stitched rough clothes to protect them in the forest, and made fires against the cold and wild animals and to cook their food. See

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/543/context/archive

#23
Lexiss
June 5, 2008
04:18 PM

@Sumanth:
"Because, it is men who suffer or face oppression more than women (when you look holistically). So, the more you disturb the system, it is the women who are going to lose out on a long run."

I looked at it holistically and I completely disagree. Go to the villages and look there.

@Ravi: Many of this generation's men are not responsible.
But many others do continue to justify and promote patriarchy, I would hold them responsible.

Though I'm against any tax rebates or reservations.

#24
ushnishas
June 5, 2008
04:45 PM

Lexiss,
Tax rebates or reservations for women are because of the inequality of wages factor.

As it is women who bring up and look after the children's needs, any legislation that helps them to do so and / or funds them is welcome.

#25
ushnishas
June 5, 2008
04:49 PM

amused,

I can show you the exact lamp-post under which Nani Palkhiwalla sat and studied. It is near the Asiatic Library in Bombay, near Flora Fountain.

#26
ravi
June 5, 2008
09:47 PM

@ushnishas

!!!!!Even in the Stone Age it was women who went hunting for food and fed their progeny......etc!!!!

certainly,even in the stone age, women did all these things, and men stay in the home and gave birth to children and did the all household work just what they are doing right now.... you are right


!!!!!But many others do continue to justify and promote patriarchy, I would hold them responsible.

Though I'm against any tax rebates or reservations.!!!!!!!!!

Not only men, women also supported and continued patriarchy, then why to blame only men?
O.K let us feel that men only supported patriarchy, even in this situation also, men of this generation are not punishable for the sins of old generations. But they are punishable for thier own sins, isn't it? and of course same thing must be applicable for the women too, they should not seek anything from the suffering of women of old generations....

Everybody is against tax rebates and reservations, but like to have them.If you are really against that, do you pay that much tax that men pay? do you voluntarily leave reservations..? i doubt that.







#27
ushnishas
June 5, 2008
10:27 PM

ravi,
I think Lexiss said these, not I.
#23 Lexiss - "!!!!!But many others do continue to justify and promote patriarchy, I would hold them responsible.
Though I'm against any tax rebates or reservations.!!!!!!!!!"

ravi, Regarding what I said about women in the Stone Age, please go to http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/543/context/archive

#28
ravi
June 6, 2008
12:18 AM

#27

Ushnishas
Sorry for that typo...

it is meant for lexiss.

@lexiss

#26 second part is for you actually...

#29
suryakant
June 6, 2008
01:29 AM

what is stone age ?

I am 17 year old boy, can anyone tell me what is stone age ?

#30
ushnishas
June 6, 2008
01:56 AM

Sigh. The Stone Age dates from two and a half million years ago down to about 8,500 B.C. It is called the Stone Age because the primitive man used stone tools and stone implements for hunting, and later farming, etc.
If you do not have access to a library, you can always use the internet to go to Wikipedia to find out anything that you want to know. I don't think Desicritics is the place to search for such information, whether you are 17 years old or 70 years old. Ask your mamma, dear boy.

#31
suryakant
June 6, 2008
02:07 AM

ushnishas,

I will not ask my mama, I will ask you,

in one post you are telling that in stone age women used to go for hunting and in another post you are telling men used to go for hunting, I think you need to ask your mama and clear the confusion :))

#32
ushnishas
June 6, 2008
02:54 AM

suryakant, my mamma says the primitive men used to go hunting with their mammas. And if you are good, your mamma will also take you.

#33
suryakant
June 7, 2008
12:23 AM

[Please stick with one nick]

#34
FF
June 7, 2008
07:30 AM

Well said suryakant...

Power corrupts(editors)...Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.

#35
Sumanth
June 9, 2008
07:33 AM

The feminists arrange girls for older people as the old have lost the battle for sex against the young men.


http://www.greatandhra.com/gossips/may2007/ramsels_renuka.php


Behind The Scene: Damsels at Renuka dinners!
--------------------------------------------

These days, there is a heavy demand for the parties being hosted by Union Minister of State for Women and Child Welfare Renuka Chowdary, whether it is in Hyderabad, Khammam or in New Delhi.

The recent dinner hosted by Renuka in New Delhi was a big hit, with several Congress leaders, elite sections of the society in the capital and industrialists attending the sumptuous feast. Earlier, her breakfast meeting in Hyderabad, which was attended by Digvijay Singh and Kesava Rao, was also a talk of the town.

Earlier, the credit for hosting such parties used to go to Union Minister of State for Mines T Subbarami Reddy. Of late, Renuka's parties have become more popular, because her style is different. While Subbarami Reddy's parties are very sobre and simple, Renuka's dinners are lavish. Apart from popular Scotch Whisky brands, her menu comprises a wide variety of dishes - ranging from vegetarian to non-vegetarian and from Indian to Continental. Above all, she engages beautiful girls to take care of the needs of VVIPs, which is why there is so much demand for her parties!

#36
commonsense
June 9, 2008
10:44 AM

sumanth,

how old are you?

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