Desicritics Comments on Coordinated Bomb Blasts in Jaipur, India

Comment by Chandra

Tue, 27 May 2008 00:22:15 EDT

Man Singh What is your message? That people are threatening us? Of course I know that! But mad anti-islamicism is just not going to work. It is strategically flawed. Like I said before, we have two strands of people in India. The mad anti-americans or anti-muslims/anti chinese. Neither of these groups are pro-India.

Comment by Man Singh

Mon, 26 May 2008 15:44:05 EDT

Bhai Chandra # 95 I would request you to please read social studies text books of any Arab Country. I have seen such books in Abu Dhabi UAE. They clearly say Mohammed Bin Qassim carried out expedition to spread light of Islam upto Sindh. he invaded Sindh in 713 AD killed King Dahir and imposed Islam in te whole region. This legacy is still continuing toll date. We Want to close our eyes to the Jehadi terror, its upto us. Let's be ready of another 1947 in Assam and bengal Soon. Let humanity suffer due to our color blindness and short sighted ness. Let me remind reader again that in 1947 3 million lives were lost, 50 million uprooted and became refugees, and billions of dollors lost.

Comment by ushnishas

Thu, 22 May 2008 21:24:22 EDT

Tell you something, Ayan. A drug-smuggler was boasting of his cunning in smuggling drugs. He sent a small quantity by a courier in an inter-state bus. He got an informer to tell the police about this courier. He sent a large quantity by another courier by another transport. The large quantity was delivered without a hitch. the first courier who was caught and sentenced to jail got well paid for his trouble. This is a true incident. Your suggestions, Ayan, are eminently sensible. However, India is too vast a country to organise an incorruptible organisation like this. Each city ward, each city and state should have such organisations. The officers should be changed often, so that there can be no bribery system set up. Since Indans have taken to computers like a duck to water, let us set up an computer intelligence system.

Comment by Ayan Roy

Thu, 22 May 2008 18:12:06 EDT

What India needs to do to prevent such henious acts of terrorism - 1. India needs a strong, ACTIVE, vigilant CENTRALIZED intelligence agency, with a constantly updated DATABASE for all parts of the country and all terrorist organizations. RAW and IB are pathetic. Lack of vigilance is a problem. Suspicious people and suspicious objects are never spotted on time. How are so many 'sleeper cells' active without any detection at all? Espionage and intelligence has never been India's forte. That needs a lot of brains, knowledge of geography, map-reading, cryptography, hacking, psychology, foregin affairs, local languages and what not, AS WELL AS physical strength and military combat fitness. The only issue is whether they should act only as "alerts" and messengers to the police and army, or should they be given sweeping powers like the "license to kill". The problem with 'license to kill', that too for a shady intelligence organization, is that they can act extra-judicically and thus have no direct accountability. "Human rights violations" may follow. 2. India suffers because it has too many traitors in it's midst. The root cause is the cancer of CORRUPTION. How can kgs after kgs of RDX, grenades, guns, bombs and terrorists themselves be shipped and transported around freely in the country? There must be collusion at the level of the police, government servants and civilians, who sell their country for a lumpsome of money. Easy isn't it? Pack the explosive powders in cement gunny bags; pay off the concerned authorities with a decent amount, and transport it to the cities where you want to cause mayhem. This reminds me of the movie "SARFAROSH". Somehow, we have to cut off the SUPPLY LINES for arms and ammunition, whether it is from Pakistan, or whether it is from the ordinance factories and chemical plants in India. 3. Courts should hand out strict speedy punishments to the terrorists caught. 4. Police and army personnel, if caught in an encounter or cross-fire with terrorists, should ruthlessly KILLand ELIMINATE ALL of the terrorists (unless they want to capture someone for information). This will save jail-space, taxpayers money, and the chance of future hijacks or kidnappings for their release will be eliminated. 5. Carpet bombing of the terrorist camps in Pakistan is NOT an option for India, as this would lead to war with Pakistan, which would definitely be a NUCLEAR war, and thus cause 10000 times more death and devastation in India compared to what the terrorists are causing. Love and peace to all, Ayan

Comment by commonsense

Thu, 22 May 2008 17:58:08 EDT

Gill: ""Pls keep displaying your "Humanism""" Vegetarians = eat vegetables Non-Vegetarians = eat anything that used to move Humanitarians = ??

Comment by Gill

Thu, 22 May 2008 17:55:14 EDT

CS Pls keep displaying your "Humanism" .... making jokes out of blood of innocent victims!!!!!!!

Comment by Chandra

Thu, 22 May 2008 17:32:03 EDT

gill despite all this we donot lead lives like the israelis

Comment by commonsense

Thu, 22 May 2008 15:38:03 EDT

Gill: ""...other than that can you please enlighten us on the "Indian strength" in regards to "terrorism..." due to power outage, there is little light here at the moment....everything running on muttee ka tel...when light is here, will enlighten. dhiraj rakkho betey....yahan der hai, andher nahin hai.

Comment by Gill

Thu, 22 May 2008 10:36:23 EDT

Chandra wrote >>>I dont think India is a victim of Jehadi terror. There are many jehadi groups who like to hurt India but we are strong enough to deal with them.<<<<<< Are we strong enough!!!!! In what sense??? Have you checked the latest stats on number of people killed in jihadi terror attacks and other destruction in last couple of decades!!!!! Last anyone checked India stood 4th in the world on number of terror attack and people killed by Islamists. And India stood in first place in all terror attacks including by other ideological groups like commie Maoists etc. Yes India is very strong in not caring for death of its innocent citizens and destruction of property at the hands of terror....... other than that can you please enlighten us on the "Indian strength" in regards to "terrorism:.

Comment by Chandra

Thu, 22 May 2008 00:52:32 EDT

Man Singh I dont think India is a victim of Jehadi terror. There are many jehadi groups who like to hurt India but we are strong enough to deal with them. What we fail is in providing quality governance to our people.

Comment by commonsense

Wed, 21 May 2008 21:07:50 EDT

Man Singh, Thanks for your kind words. They have warmed the cockles of my heart. Sincerely, Nonsense

Comment by Man Singh

Wed, 21 May 2008 20:13:13 EDT

CS # 92 "I suggest you and Man Singh might use your time better by helping out an embattled Ruvy on the other thread "Peace with Dignity". Where are you when he needs you folks? But then, what you do, is strictly your business, since as a true non-believer, I believe I cannot tell you what I believe you should believe or do." You can suggest us what to do and what not to do while `not telling what to belive and not to belive'. I always work for Indo-centric view of events. yes I am biased towards India, its culture and civilisational values. I side with all those who help India becoming stronger. And will do every thing within my reach to defeat the forces that support invaders and their associates. Isreal is victim of Jehadi terror as Indians are. Israel and India have almost similar history of percecution at hands of jehadis. And can help each other in making stretegy to defeat the terrorists. Clearly the thread you are suggesting no way related to India and hence have little relvance for me. My association is limited to defeating terrorists even if I have to associate with Israel or anybody else.

Comment by commonsense

Wed, 21 May 2008 16:19:22 EDT

Gill: ""CS From your convictions on Islamic terror in India it is hard to figure out who you are with !!!!"" Yeah right! As if you have everything else in this world figured out except for this last bit in the puzzle. I suggest you and Man Singh might use your time better by helping out an embattled Ruvy on the other thread "Peace with Dignity". Where are you when he needs you folks? But then, what you do, is strictly your business, since as a true non-believer, I believe I cannot tell you what I believe you should believe or do.

Comment by Gill

Wed, 21 May 2008 16:05:13 EDT

CS From your convictions on Islamic terror in India it is hard to figure out who you are with !!!! "humanity" or "islamists". "secular rationalists" are the core of the problem in India. They are the "foot soldiers" for Islamists in India... On one hand despite threats (from islamist terrorists and secular rationalists) certain members of the community (MAT – muslims against terrorism) are trying to eradicate the major ill in their community. On the other hand, ironically the "secular rationalists" are doing the exact opposite – again from today's news >>>NEW DELHI: Home Minister Shivraj Patil on Wednesday drew a parallel between the cases of Afzal Guru, convicted for his role in the 2001 parliament attack, and Sarabjit Singh, an Indian prisoner on death row in Pakistan The Home Minister said those asking for Guru's hanging cannot at the same time seek reprieve for Singh. "If you are asking for Afzal Guru's hanging, then how can you ask for pardon for Sarabjit Singh?" Patil told reporters in his hometown Latur in Maharashtra. The Home Minister also said that a whole community could be held responsible for the Parliament attack, referring to the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) criticism that Guru was not being hanged because the Congress wanted to appease the minority community. <<<<< ------ Fact is that since that "secular rationalists" in India propagate fear in minorities and spread division, hatred, communalism and sectarianism In short they pave the way for "Islamists" to induce their version of "pure islam" and get recruits for Jihad......

Comment by Man Singh

Wed, 21 May 2008 15:18:30 EDT

[BLATHERING]

Comment by Gill

Wed, 21 May 2008 12:40:06 EDT

CS Unlike "secular rationalists" certain irrational people probably listened to by "solution".... it is a begining... ----From Times of India At Friday prayers, imams to slam terror 21 May 2008, 0107 hrs IST , Pervez Iqbal Siddiqui , TNN LUCKNOW: The fight against terror is now going to get a Quranic stamp and clerics are going to raise their voice at Friday prayers. The Movement Against Terrorism (MAT), a new front of moderate clerics, will exhort imams at mosques across north India to use the Friday prayer to speak out against the murderous Islamic groups. It also attempts to answer the often-heard criticism that Muslim clerics, even the more moderate ones, aren't seen as doing enough to condemn terrorism. "Quran does not endorse terrorism in any way. And so we must make it a point to propagate this during speeches everywhere, including Friday afternoon prayers," said Maulana Khalid Rasheed Firangi Maheli, the Naib Imam of Eidgah Aishbagh and a member of the executive committee of All-India Muslim Personal Law Board. Rasheed is a founder-member of MAT, which is leading a jihad against terrorists giving the wanton violence and bloodshed an Islamic veneer and Quranic legitimacy. "Introducing the issue in our speeches is part of our programme under MAT," he said. Rasheed said the recently launched campaign is already getting under the skin of terror groups. He pointed out that the Indian Mujahideen email sent to news agencies to claim responsibility for the Jaipur serial blasts minced no words in condemning the men behind MAT programmes across UP and beyond as anti-Islamic, ridiculing them as cowards and non-Muslims. This, he said, explains all. "MAT, as per it charter, is a fight against terrorism. A fight against the international conspiracy to paint the entire Muslim community as terrorists. A fight against those who justify bombings and blasts as a 'revenge' under Islam," he said. Rasheed said the group would not be cowed down by threats from terrorists.

Comment by Gill

Wed, 21 May 2008 12:23:02 EDT

CS wrote >>>>>MF Hussain, an invader?....<<<<< Is he or is he not??? Didn't he invade the very essence of millions of Hindus "faith" by painting Hindu Goddesses nude!!!!! Last the world knew was that his "faith" islam considers even sketch portrayal of his God, Prophet. his dozen wives and other saints etc as "blasphemy". So my friend it cannot be considered "innocent" "freedom of expression" in the name "humanism"..... but again as usual in your concept of "humanity" ....Hindu "sentiments" do not count... CS # 83 Your rationality (Secular rationalist) only equates to "spread" of Islamism. It has simply become a proxy tool for the justification of Islamic terror...... After every act of terror and innocent deaths its your "rationality" that comes out in the defence of institution of Islam and absolve them from any propagation of "terror". Even in Jaipur blasts you have so conveniently absolved any links to Islamic terrorism. According to you there is no such thing as "prevalent institutionalized Islamic terrorism" in India. you equate the blasts to "law and order" situation. And the best one.. you somehow try to divert the blame on to some Hindu terrorists (only secular rationalists would know what that is!!!!!) or twist the blame angle towards vested hindu political interests since elections are around the corner!!!!! Nice very nice indeed.... This is what I call a true "secular rationalist".....rationalism at its best....... I must say I am beginning to like all this "Humanism", "Rationalism" etc of yours.....in Indian context simply... regardless of any consequences to society (as a whole) and for self-gratification of ones ideals, agenda, doctraine etc.... always vigorously "support" vocal and aggressive "Minority" (Economic, Social, Religious or ethnic) against a "passive" majority......... Don't you sometimes wish Mao, Lenin, Stalin were alive and with you in this day and age... maybe than your twisted versions of "reality and rationalism" would be the only "absolute" truth.... And your "absolute truth" could easily be enforced on common folks like us or even better simply "banish" people like me...... and thus achieve your achieve your perfect utopian society.....

Comment by commonsense

Tue, 20 May 2008 22:38:07 EDT

MF Hussain, an invader?....

Comment by Man Singh

Tue, 20 May 2008 20:00:24 EDT

Did I attacked anybody in this post? That also personally? I simply put my point to appropriateness of Indian ancinet books in the background of Indian village being attacked. I simply tried to put secular verses of veda and Bhadvadgeeta that preach `all ways of worship are true and reach me' and `sarve bhavantu sukhina' vis a vis what you refered from Torah? Seems soil has become weak and bearing capcity too low and foundations are shrinking? And that is happening in a website that allows glorification of invaders and crooks like Pinter MF Hussein? Koi baat nahi bhai cs. it is very difficult to digest the truth.

Comment by commonsense

Tue, 20 May 2008 15:53:51 EDT

Man Singh, Try impersonal attacks for size next time.

Comment by Man Singh

Tue, 20 May 2008 13:49:03 EDT

[no personal attacks]

Comment by commonsense

Mon, 19 May 2008 20:36:19 EDT

Gill, the problem with you is that you are unwilling to takes sides in the cause of humanity. basically i am a village boy and i learnt all my lessons when one dark and dreary night, a gang of dacoits attacked my village. now you tell me what will you do when dacoits attack your village or pind. will you wait long enough until the police you called get there or will you take action before your whole village or pind is destroyed. i think you are avoiding this key question while playing with words and changing the subject. my friend it is easy to be sarcastic when you run out of arguments, but the world does not survive on words alone. besides, i think you are anti-semitic because you pay no attention to what is said in this quote from the torah: "one day, gaza will be cleared of all south syrians and will be repopulated by true believers". so, as anyone can see, i am wrong and you are right. or is it the other way around? sheesh, i have lost my train of thought. come to think of it, i have even missed the train, never mind the train of thought. regardless, i am just an innocent villager battling dacoits and history will remember you as not coming to the aid of villager and thus indirectly supporting dacoits. shame.

Comment by Gill

Mon, 19 May 2008 15:51:28 EDT

CS You made a mistake in your statement... by mistake you used humanity instead of islamists. But again for you they are one and the same!!! >>>""do Islamists a big favor..."" I do....since you are not a part of it yet, you haven't noticed....>>>>

Comment by Man Singh

Mon, 19 May 2008 15:47:36 EDT

CS # 74 Irrespective of material society id made of, ground reality is that crime againt humanity are being perpetuarlly carreid out by jehadis all around the world. In India it is going on for last 1300 years. They have 1300 years of experince of torturing society. Many people in these 1300 years have challenged them and beaten them back. Solution exist for every problem. Those who can think can act as well. Those who feel to be clueless and believe there are wheels after wheels behind the crime should learn from those who have real life experince to fight with invaders and beating them back in place of siding with criminals? Yes solution do exist for every problem. Action has to be taken. India have seen many major actions in History and beaten back the invaders Greeks, Huns, Sakas, Arabs, Turks, British and many more?

Comment by commonsense

Mon, 19 May 2008 15:18:00 EDT

Gill: ""do humanity a big favor..."" I do....since you are not a part of it yet, you haven't noticed....