What Rinku Sachdeva's Death Tells Us About Ourselves

Adi, yesterday someone known for her spiritual nature told me that Amit did the right thing by killing his wife. Her Taliban mentality left me dumbfounded.

Kiranjit Ahluwalia had no right to kill her husband. Nor did Amit have right to kill his wife.

Nor do we have to glorify Kiranjit. Nor do we have to glorify Amit. Such people are least of all anything but martyrs for any cause.

If Kiranjit had a chance, she must have walked away from marriage. So must have Amit. Howsoever tough it is.

Tagging it as Othello's syndrome is a drama done by people who suffer from Othello's FIL syndrome.

Dee: A lot of these subconscious biases are revealed when something like this happens. And then the superficial spirituality goes for a toss. Hence the title of my article. I have seen that a lot of people feel it is perfectly ok to rationalize murder whereas I think it is as reflective of their character as the murder is of the perpetrator's psyche.

Aditi,

As for suicide note , He did not kill her because she has cheated him. but he killed her because he thought that she might file dowry harassment case against his parents and him if he divorces her.

whether his suspicions(dowry harassment case) are well founded or not , thats open to debate.

If she did has an affair, she should have divorced him rather than continuing in the background........

My heart beats for Rinku's family who have lost their young daughter. May her soul rest in peace.

Aditi,

another thing you talk about new age boys who are not coming in terms with women independence. but i ca talk about girl who have the same problem....

They want money from their husbands and boyfriend(just like in earlier days). but given chance talk about equality and independence . New age girls want independence in freedom not in responsibility (sharing) particulary in earning money

thats also clearly double standards

I read in another thread where a commentator said "Infidelity is the order of the day". I couldn't agree more.

Had someone told me 10 years ago that.. if I were to have a partner who would cheat on me I would freak out and not accept it. But the reality of today is this. Today I don't freak over that thought.

If I were to find out that my partner is cheating on me, I would not freak out, yes maybe feel upset over it for a few days but definitely would not think the end of the world.

When I see couples complete 35 yrs of marriage (like my parents) I am in awe of that. It seems so impossible today.... in my times.

Why?

Because the roles have changed and expectations have changed.
Gone are the days when women would be expected to play tradiotanl roles within the home and men were the providers. Today marriage is like a business, a service, a contract, it is all about ...........

what can you give me and in return this is what I can give.
this does not work for me.
pick up your stuff.
sticky notes left on the refrigerator.
don't expect this from me.
i need my space.
leave me alone.
respect my privacy.
my career is more important.
dinner together over the weekend only.


This is purely my observation.

In a relationship or marriage it is all about the SERVICE you can provide whether emotional, sexual , companionship, friendship,love, money etc. If the service fails from either partner, the other partner wants to venture out and try out something else. Thus we need tolerance and set aside our ego and let go and move on.

Marriage these days may not be the best option for all. Especially for men who want a working wife, her salary and her services and who needs to clean his home etc etc and who fear divorce is a threat to their family etc.

Men have to leann to accept that if they do not keep their wife happy or get too demanding, she may look for happiness out of the marriage.
Husbands who cannot stand to see their wife being successful at her work should seriously seek professional help.

So also for women who nag all day to their husbands, must realize that he too may look for peace someplace else.

If a wife finds her husband to be controlling, then please leave him right away.
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Call it expectation, call it service...each partner needs to excel in it in order to sustain the relationship or marriage. Once there is slip, it's all over. And even if that happens, have the courage to face it and move one.

Today the calling is ....it is all about how much you can tolerate and how much you can accomodate and NOT how much you can sacrifice and compromise. That is passe.

Relationships are all about service, offer the best or else you are out of the business.
If this one relationship did not work out, another one will. Move on....

I agree with vn . his lines are "Kiranjit Ahluwalia had no right to kill her husband. Nor did Amit have right to kill his wife.

Nor do we have to glorify Kiranjit. Nor do we have to glorify Amit. Such people are least of all anything but martyrs for any cause.

If Kiranjit had a chance, she must have walked away from marriage. So must have Amit. Howsoever tough it is. "

Nagesh

Read the stuff on the other threads and stop making moronic statements. He has killed her because he was jealous and could not stand to loose her. That is the highlight of his letter.

If she had a problem, she could have left him but she did not and neither did she kill him.

Do you know he harrassed her for dowry? It is anyone's guess!

His friends admitted that he had several personality issues and was a loner and a hacker. He was a lunatic possessive husband whose pyschotic imagination led him to murder.

Aditi,
trust me i have read news papers. it says that was his insecurity(dowry harassment case).... I will paste you in short time..

If you are talking about his personality through hacking softwares...
then you are wrong i can safely say that you are not from IT field. Developing hacking software is of great skill, good number of people try to do that.

they take pride in that.

from that you cannot say that he is suspicious...

Preeti,
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IE120080323233858&Page=1&Title=Bangalore&Topic=0

Excerpts from the suicide note : "From the first day after marriage, both of us were not compatible and we had regular fights. Recently I had picked up a fight with her (Rinku) and she had apologised to me. Despite our differences, I did not intend to divorce her as I love her and I had an intuition that if I applied for a divorce, she would accuse my family of dowry harassment. I did not give this a chance.''

Lastly i do not support killing. Killing somebody for these reasons are rubbish. no sane persons will support that. At the same time blaming amit only for this is not right. if whatever amit suicide note says is true, then rinku is also responsible for this may be in small measure.

Preeti,

I am surprised with this
"If she had a problem, she could have left him but she did not and neither did she kill him. :"

i can only say if you are cheating somebody , you are completely responsible whatever happens afterwards. you never know how other person reacts.

it may not be fair, but thats how it works....

There is no need to be surprised. Amit was very clear in his intentions. People who support murder like you, are to share the responsibilty of this murder in big measure.

The cheating --what is the proof?

Amit as declared by his male friends had a "peeping tom" mental problem and was always prying on their computers which is invasion of someones privacy and is illegal--he was already a criminal at work. If my employee does this I would fire him.

He was a lunatic, demented and an innocent lady (Rinku) had to bear the brunt of his pychotic pathetic imagination!

Nagesh,

You may rely on the excerpts. Not me. I have better judgement and trust my intelligence unlike you. I do not want to believe a murderor who had just killed his wife mercilessly and then wrote a letter and then committed suicide himself.

His friends have called him a jerk and nothing short of that, including his own Uncle who stated that Amit had planned all this. But like always, a murderor leaves his marks behind and so did Amit. What with his friends revealing his insane "peeping tom" problems. Hacking is not to be proud of but it is a CRIME.

Aditi - great post but unfortunately wasted totally on the loons that populate the web.

Btw, I hated the Ramayana even as a child when my grandmother told us the story at bedtime. By the time I was nine, I argued with her - which wasn't much of an argument because she agreed with me. As a result we never watched the TV extravaganza. And by the time I was ten, I was even more surprised that my grandmother decided it was okay for me to not step into a Rama-temple - I would stand outside and glower instead, willing the statue to notice my disapproval. :-)

I still don't go into Rama temples. And the older I get the more I prefer Shiva - especially in the shivalingam forms - at least that particular deity has a role for women that is more than sacrificing or dishrag. But yes, remind the loony men of Durga/Kali/Amba and they run for their lives. I always wonder why more Indian women don't use those as their role models than that weepy, passive Sita.

I am not supporting him. what He did was wrong.... for simple life is too precious to do that

but at that same time,I believe if rinku had an affair, then she was no innocent(don't ask for proof i dont have any thats why i wrote "if").

I dont agree with you that anybody who develops hacking software and tests that on his "friends" machines is suspicious by nature.

Have you heard about ethical hacking. read in google

if his friends are not happy with his hacking software, they would have reported it to management team. they did not. from that you can understand if you want.

how do you know that his friends called him jerk

when in college , few of my friends used to get password of other mail account and they used to tell that them and others also. that does not mean that they are suspicious by nature........

in the suicide note amit wrote this....
link: http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IE120080323233858&Page=1&Title=Bangalore&Topic=0

"From the first day after marriage, both of us were not compatible and we had regular fights. Recently I had picked up a fight with her (Rinku) and she had apologised to me. Despite our differences, I did not intend to divorce her as I love her and I had an intuition that if I applied for a divorce, she would accuse my family of dowry harassment. I did not give this a chance.''

"We shared no decent physical or emotional relationship. Until recently we were sharing one bedroom. Few months ago she went to Muscat to her parents and after she returned, she preferred to stay in another bedroom. She was always on her mobile phone, either SMSing or talking to someone, behind closed doors. From her indifferent behaviour, I suspected that she had an affair with someone. On March 20, I placed my laptop with a camera switched on in her bedroom.

On March 21, I saw that she was talking to one of her colleagues and she had expressed her love for him. From her gestures I understood that she had an affair with him''.

"Rinku told me that if she ever found out that I had an extra-marital affair, she would murder me and then commit suicide. I have only followed her idea''.

"I bequeath all my property, including money and other valuables to my mother''.

it is clear that he is not jealous about his wife success or changing roles in the society. It is a fear of false case make him take this step.

it is clear that he is not gelous about his wife success or changing roles in the society. It is a fear of false case make him take this step.

he killed the woman based on an intuition and a mere suspicion?!! just ended a life by putting a pillow on her face? whatever happened to anticipatory bail? or was he just absolutely sure his guilt would be proven if such a case were filed? maybe there was ample evidence of harassment and so he killed her to escape the consequences. and you guys are comparing that to the alhuwalia case and justifying his actions? god bless india. i agree with aditi, the reactions of people are more shocking than the murder itself (i read comments on some of the other threads).

Hacking is not to be proud of but it is a CRIME.
lol!!! I am sure u dont know ABCD of IT!

Feminists,

There you go again.

In stead of giving men a voice to speak, you force all half baked theories bringin in Rama, epics and patriarchy.

This puts many women in dangerous situation. It is a proven fact that women in bidirectional are in real danger. Just to prove your point, you feminists are misleading women and making them take risks with their men.

Any man who is threatened for prolonged period will be violent. A man hounded and hunted with threats, defamation, loss of job and jailing of his parents will be violent. Full Stop.

Very little can be done about it.

Women should think of their safety first and must sense the mental state of a the husband. Rinku's parents are saying Amit was unstable. If so, then why did they allowed her to take chances? A marriage can always be saved from a distance.

The arguement that women keep paying by their lives till men change themselves is pathetic.

The feminists force women into confrontation and egg on women to abuse and threaten men/husbands all the while denying men a voice.

Amit stayed in Infy for 9 years. That shows he was a stable guy. The author in this article clearly avoids the "fear of false case" angle to drive her point.

This is the exact reason why we do not think that radical feminism in not helpful for women.

A suicicidal man can kill just like so many suicidal women kill their children before killing themselves.

The feminists have not been able to reduce violence of men on women in US even after 40 years of activism because of their confrontationist approach. The same they are doing again in India.

Its their choice.

Mars and Venus engaging in full fledged war against each other while poor Earth suffers...

In my opinion, men and women exist to complement and give company to each other. Not to fight and kill. Unless of course nature/God has decided gender war as one of the ways to control the population of the Earth. But that would be very painful and terrible.

Ego, self-indulgence and lack of compassion is the root of all problems. We should all learn to be more compassionate. Constant pampering of the ego will not lead to true happiness.

Love and peace to all,
Ayan

Mars and Venus engaging in full fledged war against each other while poor Earth suffers...

In my opinion, men and women exist to complement and give company to each other. Not to fight and kill. Unless of course nature/God has decided gender war as one of the ways to control the population of the Earth. But that would be very painful and terrible.

Ego, self-indulgence and lack of compassion is the root of all problems. We should all learn to be more compassionate. Constant pampering of the ego will not lead to true happiness.

Love and peace to all,
Ayan

I am sorry for the double post. The page was not getting updated for a long time after the first "Publish" click, so I clicked "Publish" again.

Love and Peace to all,
Ayan

Pawan

have you heard about ethical hacking. do google.how do you say i don't know about IT. I am working in it.

Sumanth babu lying again!

In stead of giving men a voice to speak, you force all half baked theories bringin in Rama, epics and patriarchy....

* are von-siffers the only men around?
* has access to keyboard denied to him and other cyber jehadists?
* should people read ONLY von siffers lies and half baked ideas?

keep on lyin' babu

temp bhai

please read literature of surphanaka, durga, kali and kiranjit. please play it over and over and then blame every man as a von siffer.

May their souls rest in peace! Majority of people seem to believe whatever Amith had written in the suicide note. The note itseems was very well written and was not written in a haste. Clearly, Amith needed some therapy/help. It is also possible that he had it all planned it for a while. Isn't it possible that he was a sociopath? (Even after killing her, he didn't leave her alone in death. He had to rationalize his actions and ruin her reputation?) Is't it possible that he doubted a platonic relationship/friendship?
An abuser can given any number of excuses why he yells, beats, kills, hates,hurts etc., and can do it very convincingly. Unfortunately we don't know the wife's side of the story. I wish he had given her a chance to write her last note.

Aditi,

Wonderful post indeed. There is lovely Gujju poem criticizing Ram and praising Sita for the post agnee pareekshaa thing.

And, like Anamika, it was one of my main complaints with Ram worshippers. Not my kind of maryaadaa purush

@Nagesh,
Fear of dowry harassment or infidelity is no justification for murder. It it were, it would mean any guy can murder his wife and then claim he feared dowry harassment.

You pasted a newspaper clipping "Despite our differences, I did not intend to divorce her as I love her and I had an intuition that if I applied for a divorce, she would accuse my family of dowry harassment."

He says he loved her. Can you kill someone you love ? And do you murder on the basis of intuition ? Doesn't this statement itself prove that he was a nutcase.

Then you go on and write
"i can only say if you are cheating somebody , you are completely responsible whatever happens afterwards. you never know how other person reacts. it may not be fair, but thats how it works...."

Well, the reaction has to be proportional to the problem, if a shopkeeper overcharges you, thats also cheating, you don't go and kill the shopkeeper, similarly infidelity (whether true or false) does not justify violence.

Sane people give a proportional reaction. This guy was a nutcase.

I don't think Hacking has anything to do with this incident or the guy's personality.

Another person pastes more clipping "She was always on her mobile phone, either SMSing or talking to someone, behind closed doors. From her indifferent behaviour, I suspected that she had an affair with someone."

Do you see - "Suspected". He has no evidence at all, only suspicion. What kind of person murders on suspicion and fear ? "Nutcase".



Regarding Ramayana, If there were a competition "Who is the biggest looser among Hindu gods?" I would vote for Ram. Reasons being
1. Being sent to the woods was unfair. I expect a god to stand against unfair treatment. Ram was no god.
2. Killing Ravan was no great deed. You kidnap anyone's wife, he would surely come and try to fight you. Nothing godly about it.
3. If he couldn't stand for the wife he killed Ravan for, why did he fight for her in the first place. She was probably better off with Ravan. My gods don't banish their wives under pressure.

Amit was so convinced about the presumptions he had..(which is anyway hogwash)then...

He could have killed his own parents and then himself. That way he could have solved the problem permanently- the fear that he had about false case ( which is BS anyways). This is the best solution.

I would highly recommend Rinku's parents to file a case on Amit's parents on possibly "instigating their son to kill his wife".

The doubt can easily be placed on Amit's mother in whose name he has left his entire property. The parents already might have known that they have a lunatic crazy son, so it was easy to influence him and get him and his wife out of the way so that they could enjoy his money.

His parents can even NOW be placed behind bars easily.

If Amit's action was such a sacrifice and some &#@#$# asses think of him to a fucking martyr, the truth of the matter is that he has shamed his parents for the rest of their life and left them behind with legal implications.

Karma karma karma...it all comes back. Amit's parents sowed some seeds and they will bear the fruit now.

Hozzat that Sumanth??? Stop jumping around now. It is all over for you anyways.

People who support murder, even they belong behind bars.

Please point a law to me that says, if the son/husband sucides, the parents of the husband still cannot be held suspects for dowry harassment.

Since we do not have "Rinku's last letter", (since the poor innocent soul had no clue that while she would be asleep a coward lunatic monster was going to attack her in her helpless state) we cannot rule out the possibilty of dowry harassment.

His parents can even NOW be placed behind bars easily.

A bunch of a^@#$%es sniffers/dogs who want to distract the focus from the real underlying cause of this mishap (i.e Amit was an insecured idiot and his friends have pointed that too) because they have their own vested interests.

Kindly read up what Amit's friends have said about him and his sick demented mental state including his own Uncle.

Hacking is a crime. Period.

Why do we have so many incidents in recent times where men kill their partners suspecting infidelity?
The reason is, with the IT boom majority of the newly rich are nerds who like all nerds in the world have a simple lifestyle. But somehow a lot of them end up with women who have the opposite lifestyle. The nerds usually have late nights due to work and the opposite is to do late nights for drinking, partying and other stuff. This is obviously a mismatch.

Now why do they end up with each other. This is due to a basic difference between men and women, which has been like that for thousands of years.
If a man drinks or smokes or does other such stuff he will tell the woman about it. But a woman will never tell a man that she drinks, smokes etc. Men will always try to project themselves as brave and/or rich, while women always project themselves as homely, virtuous, caring etc. The reason they do that is because that is what the other person expects, it is in our genes since stone age and even earlier. Now when it comes to the nerds most of them like to marry a beautiful homely girl but majority of them end up disappointed. While women always want to marry to be secure and they usually marry a person richer then them and they expect them to be brave. I mean you never see a female doctor marrying a male nurse and a businesswoman marry a male air steward.
Men are not as narrow minded as women think. For Every Rinku who is killed there are thousands more women with similar stories who have divorced their husband and married their boyfriends or continue to live with their husband even after the husband is aware of the affair or suspects an affair. Even in ancient times the women were rarely killed unless the law mandates it. It was always the men involved in th affair who is at risk. Remember the famous Nanavathi case which changed our legal system. One of my own friend and another far relative had separated from their wives immediately after the marriage but not because the wife was having an affair. Strangely in both the cases the women were most independent and they choose to marry the guy. But after marriage they could not forget their old loves and wanted to go back. One of them wanted to separate within 2 days of the marriage and the other after couple of weeks.
Now, Why do so many men support Amit's action? The reason is as women become more and more independent more and more men feel cheated and exploited. If you look at all such incidents where the women are killed you will find that in almost all the cases the girl is not a nerd. In almost all the cases the women would have used the guys to get a better job, to go abroad(US/UK), higher society life etc. Then they typically want the best of everything, money, love and pleasure which is almost next to impossible. And even worse some marry to hurt her ex-boyfriend or something silly as that. So obviously the marriage will not work. My friend met his ex-wife alone many times before marriage and asked her if she liked him and she was always happy and within 2 days of marriage she told him she had a boyfriend and she cannot live without him. The story is he was a rich politician's son and she wanted to marry him but he did not want to marry then, so she decided to marry my friend. But just before the marriage he called her and told that he could not forget her, so she decided to go back to him. While my friend a very honest person with no girlfriends in his life tried to live with her saying that now since they are married , forget the past and try to make the best of what we have . He even took her to a counselor but it did not work. It was the same case with another guy a far relative of mine.
Most men lie about wealth and health, so when the truth is found the impact on the marriage is not much and women lie avoid their lifestyle and character and when the truth comes out in both the cases the happiness goes out of the marriage. In the women's case they are disappointed to know the truth and some of them are driven towards an affair. But for men due to our society and their own expectations it is a total disaster. If it is money they can make it but this they cannot help it. As long as women do not show their real colors before marriage guys will always marry the wrong women and it will end in discontent and in rare cases a murder and sometimes a suicide. But only about one in thousands of such women get killed. In other cases innocent women who come into the lives of such men suffer.
Some women like Deepti, Aditi and Preeti have been accusing men of concluding that Rinku was having an affair when the men really do not know. But they themselves have been accusing Amit without any evidence. If Rinku was really having an affair I really pity that guy for the kind of torture he had been through, though leave alone killing I feel we do not have the right to even hurt anyone. But it is not easy for a man (or a woman) to accept that he (or she) cannot satisfy his woman (or a man). There are two types of torture, physical and mental and mental torture is the worse. If Kiranjit Ahluwalia can be pardoned the any person who has suffered mental torture can also be pardoned. So stop accusing the men and try to find what is wrong with the modern women. Does freedom mean freedom in everything? I mean a person does not have freedom to kill anyone he likes or dislikes. The freedom a person gets should be used in such a way that nobody in the present or future should be negatively affected by it. There is only two ways to this. Either live according to the expectations of others or live with people who have the same expectations and dreams as you. This cannot be achieved as long as you are not truthful.

Thanks Anamika and PH! :)

"Even if evidence were to be found, would it justify murder?"

Says Aditi. It is absolutely right.

"As for suicide note , He did not kill her because she has cheated him. but he killed her because he thought that she might file dowry harassment case against his parents and him if he divorces her." saya Nagesh # 4

Clearly none knows the truth. We all are producing our opinions based on certain assumptions carrying gross percentage of error.

Still bottom line is that Murdering a women and committing suicide both acts are acts of cruelty and can not be justified in a civil society.

Let's not make it a man vs women affair. It is simple case of humanity and inhumanity.

There may be many greedy women who might have muredered or associated with murder of their husbands.

Any human may be criminal and cruel man or women.

It was acrime against humanity and can not be justified.

temporal

!!!should people read ONLY von siffers lies and half baked ideas?!!!

NO temporal, von pro-feminists are also welcome.

avinash beta..

!!!I would highly recommend Rinku's parents to file a case on Amit's parents on possibly "instigating their son to kill his wife". !!!

finally, you came with your own agenda, am i right?

It may be possible that, now also dowry harassment can file on his parents, but is there any strong proof? But there is a proof( suicide note) which will work against them isn't it? As we know failing a false dowry case at any time is the fantasy of feminists and their side kicks. may be their parents now easily get anticipatory bail (because of the suicide note by amit which clearly says the intention).

if anybody feels threat of false case they can kill their parents and themselves...another feminist and their sidekicks fantasy. But believe me no one will do this. because, now she can get his entire property, which many men won't like to give their adulterous women or 498a women's brothers. so don't think it will happen.

Some men are feeling amit's act is martyr and so on..yeah,me too feel it is not good. But what about some women who feels that killing men for domestic violence is right. don't say no one feel like that, just go and read news papers or our popular movies which portray women as kali, durga, chandi's incarnation. All will teach the same thing. I read news which feminists arguing that domestic violence making women as criminals (giving a feeling like, there is an excuse).

coming to insecurities, who is not insecure, every one is insecure. men insecure of 498a, feminists insecure of amendments in 498a. But one thing is not clear, even after reading a suicide note also people are trying to file false cases or encouraging others put false cases is really really pathetic. And people here understand the mentality of the people who are arguing pro and against amit's act. so don't worry about that.

avinash beta..

!!!I would highly recommend Rinku's parents to file a case on Amit's parents on possibly "instigating their son to kill his wife". !!!

finally, you came with your own agenda, am i right?

It may be possible that, now also dowry harassment can file on his parents, but is there any strong proof? But there is a proof( suicide note) which will work against them isn't it? As we know filing a false dowry case at any time is the fantasy of feminists and their side kicks.But amit's parents now easily get anticipatory bail (because of the suicide note by amit which clearly says the intention).

if anybody feels threat of false case they can kill their parents and themselves...another fantasy. But believe me no one will do this. because, now she can get his entire property, which many men won't like to give to their adulterous wife or 498a women's brothers. so don't think it will happen.

Some men are feeling amit's act is martyr and so on..yeah,me too feel it is not good. But what about some women who feels that killing men for domestic violence is right. don't say no one feel like that, just go and read news papers or our popular movies which portray women as kali, durga, chandi's incarnation. All will teach the same thing. I read news which feminists arguing that domestic violence making women as criminals (giving a feeling like, there is an excuse).

coming to insecurities, who is not insecure, every one is insecure. men insecure of 498a, feminists insecure of amendments in 498a. But one thing is not clear, even after reading a suicide note also people are trying to file false cases or encouraging others put false cases is really really pathetic. And people here understand the mentality of the people who are arguing pro and against amit's act. so don't worry about that.

please read #42, which is better from #41 which have more typos.

I think #37 validates the points I raised about the mentalities of Indians being revealed by this case.

Man Singh: Thanks for getting the point.

Amit said in his letter that he loves(until death do them apart) his wife alot but will not divorce her(in other words not give her freedom) but will not hesitate to kill her( because claery he is jealous) and somewhere threw in a dowry angle. Lunatic

If Amit was being threatened by Rinku, he could have easily taken AB and so also his parents. Obviously he did not feel the need to do so.

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Ravi--the big boy

were you in the bathroom while writing your chinglish in your 'fantasy world'. I have told you before, stop reading my comments and appreciating them. You need to learn english first, then law, and stop your act of fantasy. Get a life!

More than English,logic and common-sense are very important. I have them both enough. you continue..with your English, and please refrain from spread conspiracies.

As far as law, if you have enough knowledge to use google, that is sufficient. Can you tell me where i missed the law.

replace the statement, "please refrain from spread conspiracies" by "please refrain from spreading gossips". As you know that i am not good in english.. ;)

Avinash, on a nice laughing note, you seem to love english words like "chinglish", is that a new word?

First thing is stop advise others to learn english. Just because you are superior in a language does not mean you can start your stupid banters on ravi. Period. This is not the way of speaking to anyone.

Even if you don't respect a man, learn the basics of speaking.

May be i am reading the wrong newspapers or dont care anymore but I haven't heard of either of these individuals! Either way, relationships are complicated and as men we are confronting one of the greates changes that our society has seen in many years - The empowerement of women. Much of this change is from what many men have seen in their own homes (the roles of their mother and father). Naturally, the response to this change is different between different men. Some are able to cope well while many others cannot. Whatever the merits and justification, one should realise that it is not easy for men to deal with this change. Having said that, I see many now accepting this change and moving on. I think we should continue to highlight the hypocrisy of such men/women and hope others learn from it. At the end of the day it is about social change and should not become a debate about men vs women.

Lexiss,
I agree with you most of the cases..
"infidelity is no justification for murder" agreed.... but would like to add one more thing those who do this(boy or girl) are no angels.I believe that because they are hurting the other person's trust. I believe thats the greatest sin. reason is here that other person won't able to trust any other person in his life time.

"Fear of false dowry harassment" if its true.. i can say yes... most people won't think of their father or mother(particularly) in jail. it puts them corner. they can do anything at that time. no reasoning required...

"He says he loved her." the moment anybody realises that other person cheats you . their won't be any love. there will be only revenge

"Well, the reaction has to be proportional to the problem'
agree. but here its fear of dowry harassment that put him in corner.. yes it looks like from the news article its just intuition. then you can say he was nutcase.


"Do you see - "Suspected". He has no evidence at all, only suspicion."

no. he mention there how all he started getting suspicious. then he recorded their conversation by webcam(mentioned in news artcile). then only he decided she had an affair...

Avinash,
if you think "Hacking is a crime. Period."
no problem.

#51: One doesnt THINK hacking is a crime. It IS a crime - there are laws stipulating punishment for hacking. Its a bit like saying "I think breaking and entering another person's home is a crime." NO! You don't need to "think" that - it IS a crime with specific laws attached.

GROW UP!

Looking into another person's orkut profile and posting into DC is also crime? Did you get special permission to print it on blogsites? This is also Hacking! The public way of hacking.

Times of India published the suicide note! Is that ot hacking?

Printing from Times of India is not hacking!

The author is perfectly right to point to public profiles of person on orkut. This is the worst hacking!

Anamika,

I can only say that hacking to friends system(thats what amit did) is not crime.Thats what i meant when i said that. just do google on ethical hacking. h

wow this is truly eyeopening.

I will say this, most of the men on this board are doing NOTHING good for the reputation of desi men worldwide.

for the love of God where do all these morons come from?

great post aditi, sorry it was fowled by troglodytes/

ahem, early morning... meant fouled. (although I guess a lot of these dudes are chicken....)

Public profiles on orkut, facebook etc are one thing, Nagesh. Listening to other people's phone conversations, hacking into their private email accounts, or any other system are QUITE another. Those are both crimes and punishable by law. And yes, that means even if you hacked into a friend's system or a family member's email account, those are STILL crimes and when filed in a case of law punishable as crimes. Btw, hacking into limited profiles or accessing parts of a profile that is restricted is ALSO a crime.

I suggest you get yourself a basic guide to laws regarding the internet.

Vn - obviously your grasp of English doesn't extend to the definition of hacking. Posting on a public site such as DC is similar to writing a letter to the editor of a newspaper. It is governed by similar legal restrictions - ie there is absolutely no reason why offensive posts ought not to be deleted by the editors, and when published/posted are governed by similar rules. Btw, this means that rules regarding defamation and libel ALSO apply - something that the google/wikipedia post-nasty-stuff-anonymously nutters tend to forget.

Anamika,

As long as your your friends does not any have objections. it should be ok to hack to his systems.


I will give another example htting is also crime.
that does not make me criminal if i hit my friend if my friend is ok with it.

You do not looking at my point. what i was trying to say is that Amit hacking of friends systems does not make him criminal or suspicious by nature. he was just showing his skill to his friends..

SS, good that you got out of India just in time, eh?

Also not all Indian men are Siffers.. I am sure the majority of them view Amit's actions as inexcusable.

This is kinda like Islamic terrorism. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the few who are give the rest of them a bad name.

Ledzius,

Offcourse Amit's action is inexcusable. Majority of SIFFERs also think the same.

Anamika, please scroll down and see what DC has written.

"This site and all content © Desicritics.org and the respective authors. All Rights Reserved. In other words: articles are posted on Desicritics with the kind permission of the authors. The authors retain all rights to their work and articles found on this site may not be posted elsewhere without the express permission of the author."

Similaraly orkut has the same, so has ToI,

so do you have special permission to print or comment what is on other people's profile?

The author has repeatedly pointed to orkut profiles. This is wrong and also comes within hacking!

Vn - I assume your other SIFFER buddies have the same level IQ? Birds (or idiots) of a feather and all that...especially since you make such noise about laws in India when you actually cant comprehend basic logic.

Keep going - you're doing a really good job for SIFFers Inc.

Thank you.

Nagesh, ok so Amit was showing off his hacking skills by breaking into his friend's systems. And no, they didn't bring a case against him. On the other hand, all that demonstrates was that he was a criminal, and probably a good one, who could have hacked into other systems too....including those of people who didn't approve or agree or even know of his hacking.

You gave me the example of your friend hitting you. So here goes a simple example: your friend is great at opening safes and breaking into banks. He shows you how he can break into your safe. And no you don't report him to the police. But if you then trust him around your safes - you are seriously gullible - and if the bank gets robbed, you will surely suspect your friend.

Fact remains that Amit's hacking skills simply demonstrate that he was capable of doing so...it doesn't make him an IT genius but simply yet another petty criminal who used his skills to be a virtual peeping tom. Oddly enough between all the screaming you lot have been doing, there is little information whether his wife was happy with having him hack into her internet accounts etc.

The more you go on about his hacking skills, the better case you build for Amit being a criminal who was scared of being booked for his crimes - no, not for dowry but for hacking and privacy invasion.

The guy was a petty criminal who ended up as a murderer. Just the kind of man you want to anoint as the SIFFer saint/martyr. Jao mala chadhao and aarti utaaro...kya gazab ka hero hai!

Anamika,

Don't get me wrong :-) I cannot actually comprehend laws. I read one line and have to re-read it to understand. Don't take this post of mine as a reply to your post.

I have been trying to read the law, and it is so vague. It is beyond me. Need atleast 2 cups of coffee to get over one. again nothing against you or others.

Just how I cope with these laws.

*choking on laughter and wiping tears from my eyes*

Hey guys enjoy your stint here. These are girls gone wild.

Feminism is now officially a mental illness.

There are some, Who think that if I visit howstuffworks.com, read on how lock and levers operate and share that information with my friends, It means I am a potential thief.

These nerds borrow the logic from the the same clan which believes "Every p***s bearing male is a potential rapist".

Hey guys, Do not argue with fools, people may not know the difference.

FF "There are some, Who think that if I visit howstuffworks.com, read on how lock and levers operate and share that information with my friends, It means I am a potential thief"

Not so. But if you do end up robbing somebody or ending up in someone's house having broken in, evidence does support the theory that you may have been planning to commit robbery. Police often use computer searches and literature as evidence to support motive of murder and I do not think that the world's law enforcement is on any feminist rampage.

Oh and btw, feminism aside, you guys are using a killer as your poster boy to fight an unjust law. Thats like "fighting for peace" or "screwing for virginity".

So many comments and everybody seem to have narrow view. There is lot more to it then what we have heard.

Now what if Amit had not killed his wife and just committed suicide. Most of the women would have not commented or would have still supported Rinku and the guys would have blamed Rinku, both for the wrong reasons.

We do not know if Rinku really had an affair. But Amit suspected. Most of the women feel that they should have the right and freedom to have an affair. Preethi had mentioned that she will not be shocked to find her partner having an affair, "It is normal".

This is the root cause of all problems. Either your views are wrong or you have the wrong friends who poison your mind.

Marriage and family is not a party it is all about compromise. If a person does not want to compromise and is not prepared for it then they should not marry. Forget the spouse, when you have kids you HAVE TO compromise.

I feel that at the slightest indication of any suspicion we should try to resolve it. Either by changing your lifestyle or by gaining you spouse's confidence.

And if it does not work or if you are attracted to another person separate immediately from the current partner before starting anything new. There is a reason why most countries have a law that you should be divorced before you can marry again. If you do not do this you are a cheat and I do not see how people can support this until their views are skewed.

But now with regards to Amit and Rinku, he was suspecting that she was having an affair for a long time. If she was aware of it and did not try to change anything then he would obviously have been frustrated and depressed. This leads to very low self esteem, loss of sleep etc.

And if she was really having an affair and was continuing with it despite his suspicion then it is even worse. Though Rinku cannot be blamed for the deaths, she is to be blamed for not preventing it either by walking out of a bad marriage or by ending the affair (if she was having one) or by changing her lifestyle to avoid any suspicion.

My wife used to watch a lot of movies before marriage but after marriage she stopped going out for movies as I disliked watching movies. I liked spending most of my free time at the club or playing games. We both like traveling and outdoor activities, so now we spend most of the time doing what we both like. We have to find some common ground. It does not work if we sometimes do what the other person likes and other times expect the other person to do what you like. What happens is always one of them is not enjoying what they do. It is all about compromise and good communication. Arrogance and ego only complicate it.

Amit was a consequence and not the Cause.

Society prepares the crime, the criminal commmits it.

The earlier the society learns about it, the better it will be. It is not my society alone, it is everybody's society.

A society which thinks crimes can be stopped by killing the accused, a society which does not learn from its experiences is doomed.

My bad days are over, I have seen the worst and I can only hope for better, no matter where I go from here. But for others keep in mind "What Goes Around Comes Around".



-Happy Blogging-

vn,

Glad I could make you laugh. Thanks but no thanks for you offer. I am not interested in your "respecting classes full of saga" and I pay 2 fucking hoots to your or side kick-Ravis sentiments.

Stick to the point.

Extending the points raised in #70 -

Long back, Jaya Bachhan asked the same question in Parliament to Shiv Raj Patil(HM) -

"Has the Govt. done enough to go into the root cause of criminal mind-set?"

It took Shiv Raj Patil 2 minutes to understand the question after 3-4 people explained it to him. Even then he couldn't come up with any suitable answer !!!

The current lot of politicians understands that.
If the problem is solved from its root, they will be left with no issue to divide and rule!!!

Every one looks for working on the symptoms and not for the actual cure!!!

By doing that on DC, we are just playing in the hands of the politicians.

Seems my laugh stuck onto you. I am more glad

Offcourse Amit's action is inexcusable. Majority of SIFFERs also think the same.

really?

chalo allah/bhagwan nay bhee declare kerdiya


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why all comments are deleted?

Anamika,

You consider someone criminal if he can hack to his friends system.(even friends don't have objection to it).

I can't say anything more......


Go on like this .....................


The only i brought that point here is that few people are saying he has supsicious nature from his hacking skillls...

if you think like nothing to say...........

enjoy..........

It frankly is not about hacking...its the stuff he did. He set up sniffers to monitor what other people did on their computers. That is representative of his suspicious nature. It just goes to show that the so called affair may have been his imagination. He just seems like an insecure man with a beautiful wife who would do anything for attention and when he didn't get it he wrote a suicide note to implicate dowry harassment as "cause", tarnish her reputation, killed her to get silence his own insecurities and then committed suicide to escape the consequences. And those of you who support and rationalize his actions are quite capable of doing all things yourself.

Talking on the phone or SMSing frequently is not evidence of an affair. It may be evidence that she found someone to talk to while her marriage lacked communication. And even if there were evidence of infidelity or dowry charges: that does NOT justify murder. Most importantly, it doesn't in ANY WAY prove that the dowry harassment charges were false. They couldve been true. If they weren't why didn't he just commit suicide? Why murder the woman?

NOW THIS A NOTE for those who have the nerve to contact me over Orkut to debate about my article: I have to second smallsquirel's lament about desi men..., with the greatest disappointment. Last night I received scraps on Orkut for god's sake with regards to my article and my "fascist feminist schemes". Fascist? You are calling me a "fascist" while praising and supporting murder!! Can't you respect people's space? You can't stick to debating on this thread? You don't have the basic sense and decency to restrict your debates to a comments thread and NOT take it to a public community? You guys disgust me with your immaturity. I had to keep deleting these requests to carry out debates on Orkut while it is perfectly acceptable for any of you to post your opinions her on DC. Grow up!

Fighting for a law that is gender neutral is so far, far away from having to justify murder. You guys have proved that you lack basic humanity and if anything, your claims of "false dowry case" are likely untrue. You have the callousness to find your poster boy in a killer?

And some idiot accused me of "hacking" for referring to the couple's orkut scraps. Orkut is a public profile and I have not reproduced names, precise content or identities of the people who scrapped. Also, read a little more online. There are half a dozen articles in various newspapers that quote the scraps on the couple's Orkut profiles. I didn't even have to refer to the originals. And the last time I checked this was not "hacking". Check your definitions.

Get an education some of you, expand your world a little, gather some confidence from life's experiences and stop expecting your spouses to be inferior just so you can feel good about yourselves. See where you figure in the greater scheme of thing"

His friends did have major objection to his hacking crimes and described Amit's nature as distrustful. Read the newspapers and comments.

When he was missing for 2 days, it was not his friends who went looking for him. In fact it was Rinku's friends who got concerned and went all the way to her home, had her door open by cops.
His contacts ( not friends) cared a damn about his missing status.

The truth triumphs as always! Satyameh Jayate

Amit Budhiraja was driven to murderous rage by friends who taunted him about his wife's alleged affair with a colleague, MiD DAY investigations suggest.

The Infosys software engineer had contacted a marriage counsellor two days before he smothered wife Rinku to death last week.

"He told me his wife was involved with someone. I asked him to come over the same day if he was disturbed. But he said he would come with Rinku on Monday," said Ruksana, who counsels couples in distress.

Ruksana believes she might have saved their lives, if not their marriage, if they had visited her on Friday.

On the evening of March 21, a couple of hours after speaking to Ruksana, Amit reportedly went to a party, where his friends teased and mocked him.

"I came to know about the party from his friend Raoul. It is possible Amit turned wild after hearing the insults and decided to kill his wife," Ruksana told MiD DAY.

Amit murdered Rinku and hanged himself late Saturday or early Sunday.

Raoul, a friend from Delhi who attended the party, informed a stunned Ruksana about the deaths a day before she was to meet the couple.

Amit had tried desperately to save the marriage, and had confided in Raoul, also from Delhi and a software engineer like him.

Rinku's father told MiD DAY earlier this week the couple had decided to divorce, but Amit nursed hopes that counselling could avert the break-up.

Raul had worked in Bangalore in a software firm till 2006. When his own marriage was on the rocks, he had contacted Ruksana, who had helped him separate from this wife.

When Amit told Raoul about his troubles, he suggested a consultation with Ruksana.

"Raoul called me up and sought my help for Amit," said Ruksana.

Amit called her up on March 21 and spoke to her for almost 20 minutes. She asked him all about himself, and his relationship with his wife.

Who is to blame?

HELP WAS AT HAND: Ruksana
"He was keen to continue the marriage," Ruksana told MiD DAY.

The party reportedly upset Amit's emotional balance. His friends, who were drunk, allegedly started talking about Rinku, and went to the extent of calling him "useless" and a "g***u". That left Amit edgy. He reportedly spoke about the party experience to Raoul.

Raoul called up Ruksana, told her about the party fracas, and sought her help to counsel Amit on Monday.

But on Sunday morning, he broke the news of the murder and suicide, and abruptly put the phone down.
"I then saw the horror in the media," she said.

http://www.mid-day.com/web/guest/news/bangalore

A true mark of a criminal--Amit. He always leaves some evidence behind.

Q-Who is to be blamed to instigate Amit?
His friends who are idiotic men with lower class demented thinking.

Q-Who are these lower class men with lower thinking?
Some sniffers who are not humane in nature and whose wives have abandoned them. They thus make sure no one is happy. Whose happiness is dependent on some feminists because they do not have a spinal code to find their own happiness.

Q-Did the laws put Amit on pressure?
No.

Q-What kind of society put pressure on Amit?
Society comprising of sadistic men who go about breaking people's family for their own vested interest. ( just like sniffers). Call is my suspicion or call it my belief. My suspicion is as strong as Amit's was.

Q-Who is Raoul?
Amit's friend and only witness as of now.

Some facts to be noted:
1) Rinku wanted to divorce Amit.
2) It was pointed out before by me and other humane sane commentators in another thread that Amit suffered from FEAR of loosing his wife and consequent peer pressure of being teased and ridiculed. But it was Mr Vardhan who accused us of living in a Victorian age.
3) Un-menly men like sniffers drive other men to suicide and break the marriages of many couples. A close family member of mine has been a victim of sniffers demented rage and wrath.
4) Like pointed out by most people, Amit and his pals definitely belonged to a lower rung society who cannot see a woman with another man or her success or her happiness.
5) Obviously Rinku was a misfit in his class and wanted a divorce.
6) Mush to the belief that biased laws drive men to unhappiness--it is not. Excuse excuse only
7) It is their own insane possessiveness that drives them to do crazy things.
8) His friends were right to call him names. Because he really was.
9) BUT obviouly his partner -Rinku knew about his sick mentality and wanted out.

Now where are the Sumanth, FFs, Bharatis and the side kicks? Come on out and let us all have the pleasure to congratulate you all.
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I salute each and every sniffer on this board who have a 100% success hit rate. If they lay their sight on your happy marriage, rest assured it is doomed.

http://www.mid-day.com/web/guest/news/bangalore/article?_EXT_5_articleId=1063930&_EXT_5_groupId=14

FF,
Do not fool people about your worst days are over. Per you, once a wife leaves and files criminal cases ,guys like you get stuck for 15 -20 years? What happened.

And more so..on the phone (our tele conf) you sound unhappy!

Do you thinking we are Faltu Fools(ff) here?

I can actually predict Sumathy's comeback retort....

Counseling never will and has never helped anyone blah blah blah....etc etc. Excuses galore!

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Before the truth was revealed, we at least unmasked a whole bunch of murderors- in- the- making who reside in our and your neighbourhood.

ledz, that is not what I meant, yaar. you know what I meant... and clearly I know that all desi men are not jerks, my husband included.

what I did mean is that were I someone that knew nothing about desis, and I read the stupidity coming from people like sumanth, FF, rathor and those other "men" I would think that desi men are a bunch of violent women-hating morons.

it's sad to have such people, who are in the very smallest minority of indian men, claiming to speak for indian men. they are just a bunch of loud-ass bullies and nothing more.

a bunch of... sound and fury, SIGNIFYING NOTHING. well, except the need for more education.

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Well,

The more feminists and other fools drag this story, the more SIF will gain. It is not that SIF is 100% correct, but that SIF just gives a different point of view.

The story of conservative men murdering their wives under suspicion of adultery or men being possessive of their women (property) is too stale.

It is a fact that a man in abused situation is hunted and hounded in today's urban India.

Now, try to deny that. Please tell me if that sentence is wrong.

A man in a distressed situation have no where to go. He can not open up to his own friends, he can not trust police or judiciary. He can not even trust the elders who he believe will believe the tears of a woman more than any truth he utters.

So, prove it to me that distressed men are not hunted and hounded.

It is easy to say that a minority of men are bastards, morons, beasts and murderers. But, then ask yourself,"what next to do with these morons then?" Do you have a solution?

In this incident, SIF has got the solutions which can give a break through. Feminists can only blame men's attitudes, but they do not have a solution.

If they have any solution, then they can say what they have got....

Try a different tactic Sumanth, your whitewashing on this board won't work. Even Rinku's friend has come and commented on another thread and shamed you people for spewing crap.

We know who and what you are.

Try Selling your propaganda where people have lost their sanity and blame the world for their own weaknesses or murder their wives so you and your people can conveniently call them martyrs and the victims - bitches as you Sumanth likes to call women.

The Mid-day article proves the SIF's assertions that:

Other Men enjoy when a man has a marital problem.

Because, for other men it is another man losing out in the competition for sex. So, a male-dominated society is harsh on a "minority" of men whom it loves to butcher.

It is commonly assumed that a Male-Dominated Society will support men during distress. On the contrary, it is men, who are harshest on men and radical feminists set up by patriarchal men take advantage of that.

The result, a minority of men are hunted and hounded by a male dominated system as the influential males see it as an opportunity to eliminate a weak male and release the sexual resources (the woman).

We have seen that a female judge has much better chance of giving a favourable judgement to a man. 80% of newsarticles on SIF are published by female journalists. For males SIF is a threat as it stands for protection of weaker males who are meant to be eliminated in the battle for sexual intercourse.

Who loses out in this paradigm?

1) The women and feminists. Because, the entire paradigm in controlled by patriarchy and radical feminists join in to prove that the "revenge is taken".

2) Women are still considered as "sex objects" as the men lechering start harassing the so called weaker man.

So,

The goals of patriarchal males starved of sex are met.

The goals of radical feminists seeking revenge on men is also met.

The patriarchal males feed these weaker males to radical feminists like villagers feeding a man each day to Bakashura(a demon in mahabharata) under a deal.

The result, society and social issues remain where they are. Sometimes the weaker "sacrificial goat launches a last minute attack."

Actor Kunal Singh (of Dil Hi Dil Mey) was a sacrificial lamb as he was driven to suicide and the stronger males ignored it or ridiculed him as a bad actor.

Amit was smarter. He did something else to hit back at male dominated society and have a last laugh as he prevented reduced a sex resource and also hit deep into radical feminist stronghold.

Yes. It is unfortunate that lives are lost.

That is because of a sadistic society in which we live.

It clearly shows how much suffers a man when his wife cheat him and have an affair with other man. But our people who claimed and praised as sensitive towards human feelings, arguing like man need to accept it,and bear it. And treat these extra marital affairs as, "choice of women". Hats off to their hypocrisy.

Q) who is to be blamed to instigate Amit?

His friends who are inhuman and have no respect to a man's feelings (even though they are also men).

Q) Who are these men with this inhuman behaviour against other man?

None other than the sidekicks of our feminists. They always feel, "a woman is always right". So blamed amit for his wife's extra marital affair(according to the post #79), that's their nature. They are not happy because this man "AMIT" not accepting his wife's extramarital affair,even though she want.According to them, Man need to accept it, other wise they call him as SIFFER.According to them, a women have that right.What that poor husband will do, after all he love his wife, he want to live with her.suffers silently or make a wrong step like amit.

Q) Did the laws put Amit on pressure?
Yes, because there is no law in india to punish adulterous women. That really gives licence to many women who are in this extra marital affairs. Even she is adulterous courts can't punish her. If man want he can take divorce, but can not file case on her, but a women can do this against his husband. Our laws are like that, biased towards women. according to our pro-feminists it is equality. what a perverse definition to EQUALITY.

some facts:

1) A married man can't have an affair with other women,even though he want to divorce his wife. But a women can do that. hat's off to GENDER EQUALITY.(we should not forget according to our manly men(how they are!!!???) it is equality).

2)The article in #79 clearly told that amit not feared because of he will loss his wife, but he can't stand with the humiliation that pro-feminist has done to him at the party.

3)Some men who have self respect, like siffers, are now fighting for true equality.It is a good sign.

4) Any man who see his wife with other man can't tolerate. It is not only true for men, it is for women also actually,the difference is men face humiliation from their own gender, but women will get sympathy from both genders.That made men to go beyond limits when they face this situation.

Some observations

there is a word called "pativratha" in ours mythologies and epics. some famous pattivratha's are sita, drowpadhi, sati savithri, sati anasuya like women. I didn't remember her name, but one women take her husband to brothel house because he want that pleasure. So she took him to a "vesya (brothel)".she also considered as pativratha. The word "pativratha" considered as a greatest honour for women by both men and women for long time.

Now some feminists and pro-feminists trying to impose it one men. Even though a women has extramarital affair, men should not treat it as a sin. They have to treat it as "A CHOICE made by a women". And if you oppose, you will be accused of being "INSECURE","INSENSITIVE","UN-MANLY". A man must behave like a male equivalent of "pativratha" otherwise they will be called as SIFFERS.

Conclusion: The so-called manly-men give only two choice to you, One you must be male equivalent of pativratha, if not a SIFFER. make your choice.

I am sure this will be edited.

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