OPINION

How To Control Drunken Behavior?

March 19, 2008
Dr Bhaskar Dasgupta

This might sound like a dirty topic but there is a serious element to this discussion. How do you stop people peeing in public? By all means, the people seem to have done all that they could to stop this from happening. I quote:

Two public toilets were placed in downtown Linköping close to the town’s entertainment district following discussions about how to alleviate the problem of public urination on walls and building entryways in the downtown area.

The temporary toilets are well illuminated and clearly identified with large signs. The problem instead is apparently that some people, primarily young men who have been drinking alcohol, prefer to pee on walls.

When asked what to do about these men, suggested answers were:

The solutions offered including public shaming, castration, fines, electrified walls or the classification of people peeing in public as terrorists. A minority felt public urination shouldn’t be punished at all, while one respondent felt the politicians should be punished, for not creating more public toilets.

It is a question of incentives. What these punishments are supposed to do is to make sure that you as a rational human being, do not pee against a wall under threat of punishment.

But the point is, the chaps are drunk and in which case and by default, they are unable to take rational decisions. I mean, to get drunk itself is a bit of an irrational decision, no? (I know you will quibble with me, but remember the quote, "how come whenever anybody wants to drown his sorrows, he never uses water?").

So the question for us to ponder is, what do you do when citizens are inebriated or drugged up to such an extent that they are unable to distinguish between right and wrong, good and bad behavior, encouragement and punishment?

The standard answer is, throw them in jail, public shaming, castration, fines or wire up the genitals via the liquid stream to an electrified wall (god, the man who came up with that idea has an evil mind!) will simply not work. It might work with that man itself, after getting a genitalia shock, he might not relieve himself again, but that will not stop the next drunk young man from doing so.

Taken to the worst case scenario, alcohol abuse and inability to function is a national problem in many countries. Russia is suffering very badly from this phenomena although it has reduced a bit from the very bad days of the last decade. In the United Kingdom, the problem of youth drunkenness is hitting crisis situations. See here for some statistics in Europe for binge drinking.

So what are the policy responses? Here is a very good overview of what you can do to combat this problem. I quote the key bits:

Firstly, not all alcohol policy measures are equally effective. Secondly, policy measures that influence and change the physical, social and cultural environment around alcohol are more effective in preventing and reducing alcohol related harm, than measures targeted at the individual drinker. Thirdly, policies exclusively targeted at young people, while ignoring the wider adult population, are doomed to failure. Fourthly, while education programmes can influence beliefs and attitudes about alcohol....educational strategies show little or no effect in reducing alcohol consumption or related harm.

.....the ‘best value’ for an effective alcohol policy response should combine measures targeted at the general population (taxes, controlling access to alcohol, RBT, Lower BAC), at high-risk groups (minimum age, enforcement of on-premise alcohol laws, community mobilisation) and at high-risk drinkers (brief intervention).

So to go back to our problem with our young men and the stinky walls, jack up the price of alcohol (via taxation) to eye watering levels (pun intended), increase the permissible age of drinking, mobilize local community / neighbourhood people (get your local neighbourhood old lady armed with an umbrella to poke your pee'er in the back).

But will it completely stop drunken men relieving themselves? Doubtful. Not sure. Mind you, I can only be a tiny bit relieved that I am following in the footsteps of that ancient Egyptian dad who is moaning at his son (as translated from the Sallier papyrus) and I quote:

I am told that you neglect your studies, have a desire for enjoyments, and go from tavern to tavern. Whoever smells beer is repulsive to all; the smell of beer holds people at a distance, it hardens your soul..you think it proper to run down a wall and to break through the board gate; the people run away from you...Do not give the beer mugs a place in your heart; forget the beer-pots...Don't undertake to drink a whole pitcher of beer. If you then talk, so from your mouth comes nonsense...your drinking companions stand up and say only: away with the drunkards.

Funnily enough, that's exactly what my dad used to say to me. But what do you think? Can we ever stop drunken behavior? If we can, then I will raise a glass or two (or more) of Balvenie to you :)

All this to be taken with a grain of piquant salt!!!

Dr. Bhaskar Dasgupta works in the city of London in various capacities in the financial sector. He has worked and travelled widely around the world. The articles in here relate to his current studies and are strictly his opinion and do not reflect the position of his past or current employer(s). If you do want to blame somebody, then blame my sister and editor, she is responsible for everything, the ideas, the writing, the quotes, the drive, the israeli-palestinian crisis, global warming, the ozone layer depletion and the argentinian debt crisis.
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#1
locutus83
March 19, 2008
07:50 AM

I assume that an alcoholic drink is like strong medicine. You won't drink bottles after bottles of cough syrup, would you?

Whenever I drink, (occasionally) I take tad wee bits of drink in very tiny sips, savouring the taste and taking a really long time to finish.

For me, I like alcohol as it warms up my lungs when I am feeling cold, and aids in disgestion too!

I don't want to get drunk/high and loose self- control, create a scene, or drown my sorrows.
Uptil now, I have never ever got 'high' on drink.

Follow my way! :-)

#2
Deepti Lamba
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March 19, 2008
07:51 AM

Bd, people peed on our wall, we complained so now people continue to pee in the empty plot just inches away from the wall and the best is its our neighbors doing it in perfectly sober state:(

Shameless wretches!!

#3
Ms. Anona
March 19, 2008
08:05 AM

Dr. B.D, running out of useful things to write about, are we, most prolific Desicritic?

This story has crossed the pond and is for some reason lingering in my box of knowledge, but honestly, if this is the worst thing you guys are worried about, then life must be pretty good. I mean, for once violence and other human concerns have taken a backseat, apparently there is no other problem besides guys peeing on the walls in your country.

It is a pride and childish boy thing. I'm not sure what the solution is, but somehow it involves women. Do these women still take these men home with them? Probably, if they can make them think it's too uncivilized somehow, maybe the majority of them will stop and I can stop hearing about the potty training habits of a bunch of lunatics in UK.

#4
commonsense
March 19, 2008
08:14 AM

Deepti and BD,

Khushwant Singh has another idea: paint, extra-large, icons of major deities on the walls where people usually pee. It will stop immediately. If someone wants the pee to be directed to some other place, paint portraits of politicians in that spot. This may not work in the UK though.

In delhi and other places, signs such as "dekho gaddha moot raha hai" usually did not work. But then there were no such things as public toilets, and I have no idea how people (we) got by, spending the whole day out without a leak...dehydration and lack of beer?

#5
bd
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March 19, 2008
10:39 AM

Hi Locutus83.

Well, you are a responsible drinker indeed, but unfortunately, that is not what we are worrying about here :)

not that I havent got puking drunk either in the dim and distant past.

#6
bd
March 19, 2008
10:42 AM

Dee #2, well, yes, we do have a propensity to let go anywhere and wherever. But at least you can talk and negotiate with these sober folks... (one hopes)

#7
bd
March 19, 2008
10:53 AM

Ms. Anona #3, running out of topics? absolutely not, found it curious as to what you can do to address behaviour when your normal levers do not apply.

And well, this side of the pond, people tend to worry about all aspects of life, whether its peeing against the wall or iraqi suicide bombers, lol.

And as a matter of fact, the peeing habit after being drunk is pretty much across the world :), having spent long long months and years in various dives in America, I am happy to state that they are also not immune to this wonderful state of grace, lol.

but good idea, utilisation of the female of the species as a way to control the male of the species is a good one, although I would wonder what benefit the female would get out of it :)

#8
bd
March 19, 2008
10:55 AM

commonsense #4

That idea is good but still is not very effective. If you think about Indian buildings and paan. In Indore and Bhopal, I have seen pictures of Gods stuck up in the corners where people would spit out the paan juice. And people would spit all over it again. So not sure how much useful it would be.

but yes, you cant stop people peeing without giving them an alternative. My point was, they (in this case, the swedish drunk guys) do have an alternative but still do not use it.

#9
Ms. Anona
March 19, 2008
11:13 AM

OH, I get it! You are Dr. Bhaskar Dasgupta in posts, but 'bd' in comments. Nice coverup. I find it quite alluring to give my would-be professor's my candid opinion here. So as to the statement "although I would wonder what benefit the female would get out of it" I would have to say, duh!!! They get to suck on a cleaner weaner at the end of the night, cause that's what it's really all about, isn't it.

#10
bd
March 20, 2008
11:32 AM

ah!, well, in which case, I will not say much more about the fact that women might help men get over being drunk.

and here's a good link for drink problems in the USA.

http://www.menshealth.com/drunk/

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