http://desicritics.org/ Superior South Asian bloggers on Culture, Media, Politics, Sport, Business, and Technology. en Copyright 2006 by the authors Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:49:56 EDT http://backend.userland.com/rss BC custom software http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-326192 Dee - lol, fair enough. 326192@desicritics.org Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:49:56 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-326186 IP Banned 326186@desicritics.org Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:11:55 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-326185 A true parent owns up responsibility and not blames people. I see the following issues. a) Drugs rampant in India. The school kids are getting addicted at an alarming rate. Especially Indian boys. They are seeing crime at a very young age. I remember 3 years ago, a ninth grader caught robbing from an old woman's home. Even though his parents were well todo, they can't enforce him. So it means the drug mafia has penetrated us deeply. b)Enforcing ethics: Unless you have a good family with you, it is tough to enforce ethics. It is no wonder that most people astray from broken families or families where ethics are not enforced/instilled at veyr young age c)Crime: The Goa police thinks they can do away with anything. Admitting guilt in its own backyard goes a long way. Police-Drug cartel nexus is definitely there. d)Ownership: Parents must learn to take ownership of children, atleast when they are overseas. India is not bad. But if a girl is partying at 4 in the night, all the factors a-c) come in play. factor a) is Legislative/Exective . Make drug mafia the top issue for political parties. Rahul Mahajan is an excellent example to show to the levels it has penetrated in our society. factor b),d). The family must stand up and understand that we don't live in a utopian world where crime is bound to affect you. factor c) We need a honest non corrupt brave executive. This is after a crime. bUt factors b,d are before crime. 326185@desicritics.org Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:11:03 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-326184 Amrita, I don't like her hippie style of bringing up her kids its as simple as that 326184@desicritics.org Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:51:22 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-326113 Sarah, While describing her children you seem to have left out the fact that her other children are also drug addicts - all this at the UK tax payers expense ! I dont see how they would miss the poor girl if they are perpetually stoned. Your sympathy towards her is not shared by others in the UK and it appears you are one of those who your countrymen despise - here is a comment written by a briton which i read recently : ' I have no sympathy at all for this woman. It's another example how the government is fleecing the taxpayers to pay huge sums of money to this type of lazy inbred trailer park trash that should have been neutered years ago.How on earth can she afford a trip like that when as taxpayers working 60hrs a week I have never been able to afford to take my kids out of the country. This whole thing makes me sick and as far as I am concerned she has got what she deserves. - Razorray, London ' Sarah Wrote: This woman has brought up loving, polite, intelligent children, and a terrible tragedy has befallen them because of a deliberately wicked murderer. What sort of people are we to add to the torment of her AND THE REST OF HER DEAR CHILDREN WHO KNOW HOW MUCH THEIR LOST SISTER WAS LOVED AND WILL BE MISSED - I contend we are worse than anything what we are accusing their much loved mother off. 326113@desicritics.org Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:24:06 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-326067 Dee - I havent been following this story with the attention it deserves but I'm sure you have your reasons for saying so. However, tangentially, this makes me wonder if we ought to judge people as parents based on their worst parenting decision or by their record as a whole. I simply don't know. What do you think? 326067@desicritics.org Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:04:27 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325885 Are we really still talking about this and running three thread on DC for these stupid people? Like a thousand people have died of simple car accidents all over the world since she died and no fussing. Please, the men who killed her were just dumb, she would have put out regardless. I would love to go to India, but not this tourist trap. I'll just say no, I don't wanna Goa. 325885@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:15:24 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325881 Amrita, I don't see Fiona Mackeown as a good parent. She took her kids on vacation for six months while school was going on. If her kids don't get educated how will they break the cycle of poverty? I do hope she gets investigated by the services when she returns. Her grief does not excuse her attitude towards life and its influence over her parenting techniques. Also I agree with Ramesh our government should do strict background checks before letting people visit our country. As it is Fiona has a criminal record and most countries because of it would have denied her visa. 325881@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:25:00 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325832 Sarah - I hear what you're trying to say and I don't think anybody disputes the fact that this was an awful tragedy. And it would have been a horrible tragedy even if Scarlett was a complete brat and her mother a horrible person. Nobody deserves to die like that. There's also no disputing the fact that the men who did this would have found another victim in time if they hadnt found Scarlett. But none of that means her mother was right to leave the kid behind in a place like Goa either. 325832@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:50:01 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325825 This woman has brought up loving, polite, intelligent children, and a terrible tragedy has befallen them because of a deliberately wicked murderer. What sort of people are we to add to the torment of her AND THE REST OF HER DEAR CHILDREN WHO KNOW HOW MUCH THEIR LOST SISTER WAS LOVED AND WILL BE MISSED - I contend we are worse than anything what we are accusing their much loved mother off. 325825@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:30:56 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325819 it appears several of these foreigners are attempting to (illegaly) purchase homes and land in goa and with restrictions now being imposed they are blaming everyone from developers, lawyers to the government for a situation that has backfired on them. the fact is very few foreigners have set up a bonafide businesses in India - the sole intention of most foreigners is to grab property here by flaunting the rules. indian authorties are not blind to this abuse of a provision which was put into place for the benefit of (bonafide) foreign businesses. boanafide means - businesses who maintain books , P/L statements, file tax returns, have employees and show profits. those who went by the (popular) misconception that indian authorities are too naive and would overlook this farce are now paying the price .. the recent fiona/scarlett incident , while unforunate has brought to light to the people and government of india that several of the foreigners who have an obsession with living in goa includes trailer trash / dregs of european society who are inherently irresponsible, habitually abuse their own social system,and would eventually do more harm than good to goa / india. such people are should NOT be allowed into goa or any other place in india. the government is taking the right step by screening people at overseas embassies before issuing visas to them. http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080044296&ch=3/17/2008%2011:57:00%20PM to get an idea of the true nature of the type of people who are trying to infiltrate indian society one only has to see the britishexpats.com website which is full of comments by crass uneducated and inherently racist people who are trying to get a place in the goan sun as other places in europe like spain are too expensive for them or wont accept them . as far as getting refunds from developers is concerned - if any developer offers 'any' refund for what foreigners thought would eventually be a free hold property, they are being good to them and should consider themselves lucky. foreigners have been always welcome for short stays - but we should screen them carefully before allowing them to stay long term and corrupt our land and indian society with their filthy values and racist attitudes. 325819@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:29:20 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325801 Next time tell them- we pay for your upkeep!! Thought chicken Tikka was their national dish. Our money and food is good but not our presence? tsk..tsk;) 325801@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:18:35 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325799 Ha ha thanks, Dee! It is good to be back. Hopefully will be in writing form soon!!! Well, these financial freebies are not for the likes of you and me! We have to pay the taxes that will fund these projects but will still have to be prepared to be the subjects of arbid hate and abuse by offended natives. That's our lot! 325799@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:42:03 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325783 BTW DG glad to have you back:) 325783@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:44:58 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325782 DG, When can I move to Britain?;) Ideasmith, I'm not sure whether its gotten through to her as yet. She continues to pass the buck 325782@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:38:50 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325781 Dee, The welfare state means that anyone without a job can go on the dole. If you have children, you can appeal to the council and get a house to live in. More children, more bedrooms. And more dosh, by way of child benefits. There's also this delightful thing called Incapacity Benefits. If you cannot function cos of an incapacity and are unable to do an honest day's work, then the govt will give u more dosh. At my prev company, I worked on a project that was collecting data from folks on this roll. The actual number of infirm we found were a lot less than the actual numbers suggested. 325781@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:34:01 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325772 Strange as it may sound I'm sorry for her. Her replies sound pathetically naive to me. Losing a child can never be an easy thing and this woman has to live with the thought that her free-spirited lifestyle may have led to her daughter dying, raped and murdered at 15. 325772@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:26:11 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325729 Ams, Seriously all this could have been much avoided. Even the star witness skipped when he saw the rape. Things really are bad in Goa. 325729@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:58:34 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325727 Dee - lol @ "everything is maya till reality bites the ass". I don't think I've seen one person in this whole sordid mess to whom I'd cut some slack. 325727@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:44:28 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325723 DG and bd, in Britain can one forever live on benefits even when suitably healthy? temporal, yeah everything is maya till reality bites the ass 325723@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:23:59 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325717 DG and bd, in Britain can one forever live on benefits even when suitably healthy? temporal, yeah everything is maya till reality bites the ass 325717@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:19:05 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325708 dee: the mother's dharma spelled her karma which cast a deep shadow over the daughter's pursuit of moksha sad! 325708@desicritics.org Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:04:14 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325651 I hope I don't end up picking the tab for that, Aaman! Nice article, Dee! Totally agree with you. 325651@desicritics.org Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:27:15 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325648 and all this on taxpayer money! 325648@desicritics.org Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:08:31 EDT http://desicritics.org/2008/03/18/105339.php#comment-325644 I'm sorry for her, but hope that the UK Government Social services investigates her and evaluates whether she should be with them 325644@desicritics.org Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:12:36 EDT