Desicritics Comments on Narendra Modi and the Tehelka Expose

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Comment by Kannan

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:15:03 EST

Thank you, Amrita for the reply. "I'll get back to you after I've read the piece but from a cursory glance I should tell you that your contention that relying on the mainstream media makes people blind is idiotic to say the least when the blog post you've linked to itself relies upon an article in The Hindu - a national, mainstream English daily. " I guess you are very subtle in your references. But hope you are just as alert to pick the subtle facts in this epsisode. Hope you read the piece. Do you still think the HIndu is maitiaining a consistent position vis-a-vis the Gujrat Riots? The HIndu clearly reports Muslims being the agressors on march 1st 2002. The interview with Aaj Tak which bltantly puts 3 non existent days between Feb 28 2002 and March 1st 2002. Will Hindu before it goes on an orgy of "Narendra Modi = Hitler" kind of news, put out the facts again that Muslims were agressors too. That it was not the simple genocide it is made out to be? Guess not. It is too much to ask for. Responsiblity, crediblity thoroughness. The link to the Hindu is for everyone to see the difference in reporting that has happened in the same paper, when the facts mentioned by the same paper are brushed and buried. Oh well I guess what i said was idiotic all the same.

Comment by Kerty

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 03:58:57 EST

Let me rephrase the role of psecularism in communal politics. Western style secularism being unnatural implant on Indian landscape, it needs minority comunalism to acquire its moral self-rightiousness and its raison d'etre to manage the divide. Since Hindus have managed the diversity and plurality within its fold for ages, Secularism sees Hinduness as ideological enemy and competitor. Last time secularism tried to use minority communalism to advance its foothold and neutralize aspirations of Hindus, it ended up creating two-nation theory and consequent partition. However, state was not its allie at that time as British ruled the state and therefore secularism could not manage minority communalism from exploding into partition. Now that State is allied with secularism, psecularists have become more confident and therefore more aggressive in pursuing minority communalism. RSS and BJP are nothing but reaction to such political landscape - they are reduced to a role of opposing minority communalism - a role that has not paid any political dividends to them nor allowed them success in uniting all hindus - however, such efforts have earned them the label of 'majority communalism'. However, unbridled minority communalism could have the solitary effect of uniting hindus against minority communalism - which secularism dread the most. Riots provide the safety value to restore status quo. Hindus would hope riots by moslems(statistically, most riots are started by Moslems) would allow hindus to unite. But post-riots, secularfists move in with self-reigheous indignation and high moral ground to exploit the aftermath of riots to project moslems as victims and hindus as fanatics. It has resulted in hindus distancing themsleves rather than uniting and coming togather that any hindu party can capitalize on. Secular Mission accomplished. Such politics have gone on for decades until Modi came along. He has succeeded in uniting hindus against minority communalism. He has succeeded in uniting hindus against post-riot exploitation by psecularists. And if he gets re-elected again which is most likely, Indian politics will undergo dramatic change and psecularists could see their power wane dramatically. Thus stakes are very high on both sides. It is shrill and desperate times for psecularists, judging by how they are clutching at the straws. Divided BJP and revitalized Gujarat Congress could have done the Modi in - but Tehlka might actually help Modi win. Communism, casteism, leftism and communalism does not pay in Gujarat.

Comment by Kerty

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:47:26 EST

During those riots, over 1/3 of total casulaties were Hindus and over 40,000 hindus had fled to refugee camps. I bet Modi conspired to attack hindus so hindus can blame moslems! Tehlka expose is premeditated report cooked up just to influence the elections in a state that is critical for Congress to oust BJP. One can get any number of people to brag that Congress instigated Godhra fire to punish Ayodhya Karsevaks - but that would not establish it as fact. Tehkla never interviewed any key persons in the administration nor persons who may have actually participated in the riots nor interviewed people who may have different opinion that would have contradicted the pre-meditated conclusion of Tehlka. Gujarat riot is not the first time Hindu-Moslem riots have occured in Gujarat or else where, and show me a riot where people have clashed in civilized manner - they all have been barbaric and inhumane and have had political connections and ideological patronage on both sides. Riots have been ideological necessity for pseudo secularism - as that is the only ideology that politically profits and gets empowered by perpetual communal tensions, and thus pseudo secularism has acquired political vested interest in provoking and keeping both communities in state of distrust and war and denying any peaceful mechanism to redress and reconcile their religious aspirations and religious grivences at religious level. It is failure of statecraft when communities have to resolve their grivences thru riots and violence in the street. Psedo secularism will never admit its ideological failure but instead use post-riots to refurbish its moral self-righteousness and diver t the focus on hindu-bashing, that sets the stage for another riot waiting to happen on hair-trigger event. Post-Godhra riots were as much result of outrage against pseudo secularist insults that blamed the Hindus for the train incident. Hindus were stunned by the cunning silence and smirk of secularists on the face of dastardly train holocost and some of them had the audacity to blame it on Hindu pilgrims on the fateful train. People who have made exploitation of post-godhra riot a life-long propaganda mission had nothing to offer to Hindu after train holocost but silence and they-got-what-they-deserved attitude. If pseudo-secularists can exploit communal divide and riots, so can Modi. Secularists are miffed that Modi can do it so much better. Until Modi came along, Hindutva had no clue how to exploit communal riots and rob the pseudo-secularists from taking political mileage out of them. That is why Pseudo secularists have been stuck on Modi and Gujarat riots even though both Modi and Gujarat have moved beyond to bigger and better things.

Comment by kerty

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:54:23 EST

A Sting Without Venom 'Tehelka's multi-million enterprise has been greeted with circumspection bordering on derision' ...... Chandan Mitra Published: Outlook India Sting is suddenly a suspect, if not dirty, word. But till even just a few months ago this controversial method of procuring information was celebrated as the harbinger of a bold era, the defining characteristic of "new journalism". After the infamous Delhi schoolteacher episode, which turned out to be concocted, there is palpable discomfort with this genre. Sadly, for Tehelka's multi-million enterprise aimed at exposing Narendra Modi's alleged involvement in the 2002 post-Godhra riots, even their venture has been greeted with circumspection bordering on derision. Congress, the prime beneficiary of sting operations mounted by Tehelka, its offshoots and other copycats, has issued fervent disclaimers about its alleged sponsorship of the operation, privately suggesting this may have been funded by Modi! A failed sting is like a military coup gone awry: it is an orphan. Why did Tehelka, the original promoter of this dubious genre of journalism, get it so horribly wrong this time? First, the timing of its public release was so transparently pegged to the Gujarat assembly polls that even breast-beating secular fundamentalists found it hard to defend. Having self-confessedly collected evidence over six months, the 'stingers' failed to convincingly explain why they waited for the poll dates to be announced and the Election Commission's model code of conduct to be operationalised. "Politically motivated" is a phrase routinely brandished by Indian politicians at the receiving end of adverse media publicity. But for once, this cliche hit the bull's eye. Second, did the so-called sting establish anything that was not already in the domain of public knowledge? That certain bestial people on the Hindutva fringe indulged in gruesome forms of torture and murder was well-known and widely condemned. The bizarre, much- publicised twists in the Best Bakery case were sufficient to drive the point home. Significantly, however, the secular fundamentalists continue to pointedly ignore the fact that the poster boy of the Gujarat riot industry, the Muslim tailor photographed begging for his life with folded hands during the violence, has returned to his home state after a stint in 'secular' West Bengal, complaining of exploitation by CPI(M) for political gains. He now avoids publicity like the plague, saying he has no desire to play the role scripted for him by Gujarat-bashers. Third, that TV channels, which reportedly paid a packet to Tehelka for telecast rights, ran disclaimers saying they were not responsible for the claims made by those interviewed, carries its own tale. Small- time, small-town politicians are known to exaggerate their importance given half a chance. That was my personal experience while conducting interviews in remote UP and Bihar districts with survivors of the Quit India Movement for my doctoral thesis for Oxford University. Their claims had to be routinely cross-checked to eliminate self- mythification. Talking to a reporter who posed as a Hindutva champion researching for a book on the saffron surge in Gujarat, these persons could well have given free rein to their grotesque fantasies. But what is the worth of these "confessions"? Can they stand even cursory scrutiny in a court of law? So what did Tehelka aim at? As veterans of the burgeoning sting industry, having supplied call girls and Scotch to lubricate the wagging tongues of army officers in the defence expose, surely they knew that only a political motive could be served by their unsuccessful attempt to find a smoking gun in Narendra Modi's hand? Fourth, did they find anything against Modi? After sending out lakhs of sms alerts for three days hyping the suspect end product, thus benefiting mobile service providers and the marketing departments of select TV channels, they couldn't find even a concealed revolver in Modi's pocket, leave alone a smoking gun.Modi never visited Naroda Patiya, site of a horrifying carnage, and thus the question of his garlanding the alleged mass murderers there simply did not arise. The post-mortem report said Congress ex-MP Ehsan Jafri died of three bullets lodged in his body. No limbs were cut one after another; neither was his torso "toasted", contrary to a chilling assertion by a prominent rioter. "Modi gave us three days," claimed yet another braggart. Self-righteous secularists argue: Modi is a demon, so whatever is said against him is true and if you want proof you are a communalist neo-Nazi! Tehelka's disastrous misadventure doesn't need further elaboration. I can only feel sorry because they tried to be too clever by half and fell flat. Nothing justifies the burning alive of 52 kar sevaks at Godhra, and the retribution that followed. But just as Delhi recovered from the Congress-supervised anti-Sikh pogrom of 1984, so much so that Punjab twice elected that party to power in the state, so has Gujarat. This time, there is no trace of a communal cloud overhanging the forthcoming election. The only issue is Gujarat's spectacular economic development despite the devastating earthquake and the shocking riots. It is for the people of Gujarat to judge who are guilty of re- injecting the virus of communalism into the state's politics; who are friends of Muslims and who are their (hidden camera-carrying) enemies.

Comment by Sri

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:22:27 EST

I was just going to post that. These are the stats 250 Hindus (+69) were killed If they were killed by Muslim mobs then the riots weren't an anti-Muslim "pogrom" as the propaganda suggests If they were killed in police firing, then the police did do its job. Anyway, some people will stoop to any level to get at Modi. Some even suggesting stopping elections until the trial(by media?) is over. ROTFLMAO

Comment by razorMirage

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:17:12 EST

Kannan, That was really a great though-provoking link. http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/11/05/ none-to-mourn-dead-hindus/#more-973 Your statement "...if not then you are buying off information from the mainstream media ..." is absolutely valid. Some one pointed out in another blog two cases. How did 250 (post -Godhra) hindus died? Case 1: killed my Muslim rioters Case 2: Killed by Police firing on them. EITHER WAY, this tells that either Muslims have attacked or State have taken some action. Now dosen't it undermine our pseudo-secular arguments here it is organized progrom, blah, blah? (I don't care who want to squish me or tell bad words and degrade to personal comments.I don't care and the bloggers don't care atleast in this meduim. Did any one read SmallSquirrel comments in this site. He/She don't have a point. He just calls every one names from lunatic to fanatic. Ironically he has most number of comments and this site says "Personal Attacks are not allowed.."

Comment by Aditi Nadkarni

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:24:22 EST

Amrita, good to see a post from you, as always :) You have covered all facets of the analysis which is fitting of such a political discussion carrying the weight of some very heinous riots and religious bearings. While hopefully people will not derail the discussion by pushing pet theories and hunches to brush aside glaring evidence. I must say that your points in the bullet font should take care of all such skeptics. Nicely done. :)

Comment by kela

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:11:34 EST

Amrita ,good to see you back,you had gone missing for a while.I was busy trolling the internet :)

Comment by smallsquirrel

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:38:41 EST

amrita... I pay him no mind... he's like a mosquito, you bat at it for a while but eventually you squish it. :P

Comment by Amrita

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:07:25 EST

SS - hello there :) You're really wasting your breath on Razor you know. Annamma and J - I bet he's right sexy to some folks. ugh. Sanjay - that link is Chandan "Right Wing Apologist" Mitra's opinion piece. It discredits Tehelka only if you subscribe to his world view. Outlook itself has run dozens of stories that support Tehelka's findings including at least one feature piece on Babu Bajrangi. Joji - sorry, I've been caught up in something :) But I agree, this is a crime against India. Razor - dude, for a person who dragged in Swami Vivekananda to no purpose into this discussion, I suggest you rethink your words to small squirrel. Sujai - I usually don't like to drag in parallels to Nazi Germany but I have to say you do a fine job :) Kannan - I'll get back to you after I've read the piece but from a cursory glance I should tell you that your contention that relying on the mainstream media makes people blind is idiotic to say the least when the blog post you've linked to itself relies upon an article in The Hindu - a national, mainstream English daily.

Comment by Kannan

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:21:38 EST

While on this subject, can you please answer questions raised on this subject by Sandeep in his post? It raises a few questions for everyone to ponder on. Please answer them honestly. Everyone. if not then you are buying off information from the mainstream media without thinking twice about it. http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/11/05/none-to-mourn-dead-hindus/#more-973

Comment by Sanjay

Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:00:38 EST

razor, apparently our Thought Police "Moderators" have a selective bias on whose comments are irrelevant or not. It always shows in their actions.

Comment by razorMirage

Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:19:52 EST

smallSquirrel.. Did you get a grip of this website? That is the only point that matters and dear..pls stick to the point.If you have some other ideas/plan and talk abt 'grip' go visit some other places/sites.

Comment by Sujai

Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:54:20 EST

Tehelka's "sting" has clearly been discredited: And? ?? So is the the research into Holocaust discredited by some Iranians and an Austrian author. Does that change the fact that it actually happened?

Comment by smallsquirrel

Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:23:55 EST

razor... get a grip dear, seriously.

Comment by razorMirage

Mon, 5 Nov 2007 01:12:57 EST

smallsqirrel... It worked for me. It is with you whether you want to see reality or not.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:50:11 EST

well, the link doesn't work....

Comment by Sanjay

Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:16:42 EST

Sujai, [EDITED -IRRELEVANT] Tehelka's "sting" has clearly been discredited: http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20071112&fname=Cover%20Story%20%28F%29&sid=6

Comment by Sujai

Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:06:12 EST

Sujai.. You cant compare Nazi Germany to Gujarat. Why not? There was no riots there with Jews and Germans. It was pure one sided. So, you are saying that we should act ONLY as long as it is 'pure one-sided'? How about Rwanda? It was genocide but many people from both sides got killed. Riots happen in India all the time. Usually the perpetrators never come forward and are never recorded, so there is no evidence to blame one single person. A riot takes a distinctive character of being free-for-all, with no master conspirator. 'Creating a riot' is also to achieve that effect- to say there is no single mastermind or plotter - so nobody gets blamed - and the blame is shared equally between thousands who are nameless and faceless making it hard to find a culprit. Riots have happened many a times in India. For a while, the Gujarat government, the Hindutva parties and the elite-and-educated Hindus who sympathize with such forces have almost convinced us that it was just another riot. And hence these figures- 250-750. Nobody actually believes those numbers. Even during the partition the numbers were declared quite low. Only later estimates have put the figures at half a million. The similarity between Nazi Pogroms and the present Gujarat Pogroms are not about numbers OR about riots. The similarities are: 1. A campaign to defame, denigrate and find fault with one identity blaming them for the ills of the society. 2. A pogrom where the administration and the state apparatus abets, aids and participates in killing people of that identity. Did such things happen in Nazi Germany? YES. Would it have changed if riots ensued in Nazi Germany where few Nazis were killed by Jews? Would that change the Holocaust that followed such pogroms? Did the Warsaw Resistance (where Jews on 18 Mila Street took arms against Germans) suddenly make the Nazi Germans less culpable? Do you remember/recollect/google any Jews violently attack majority Germans. Unfortunately, there is only one case - that of Warsaw Ghetto. Again, if there were more such riots, would it have made Nazi Germans less culpable? SO DON'T COMMENT WITH THE HINTS GIVEN BY OUR MAIN STREAM MEDIA. AND DONT BE A PUPPET IN OUR MEDIA OR ELSE YOU WILL BECOME THE SAME COMMON AMERICAN WHO STILL BELIEVES THAT THERE ARE WMD IN IRAQ. Irrelevant.

Comment by razorMirage

Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:11:10 EST

JOJI... I am with you. It is because we are in country like India and we being Indians we have open discussion on what happened and why it happened. If it is some barbaric country like Saudi Arabia we won't even have a meaningful law. Every thing is Sharia and people are given punishment by killing with stones, chopping their hands, chopping their heads. In India we are too democratic and some times this freeness people are using to wrong cause by diverting and misleading people. People shd be cautious of this people and see what is the real truth.

Comment by JOJI Achangadon

Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:44:26 EST

i am surprised to see the long absence of the moderator while such a crucial and HOT discussion is going on! okay.. dear brothers & sisters, relax.. come to the ground. i know you all are very hot on the subject!! why don't we take that riot as something done by the criminals in the society to some poor Indians? why do you color it with religion or community? that may be such a one; still to fetch justice to the affected in this riot whether of any religion we have to OUTLOOK this tragedy in the eyes of being Indians. wherever any Indian whether he is rich/poor or hindu/muslim/x'ian or of any region suffers at the hands of criminals we have to rise up to condemn it regardless of our own interest...because diversified we may be by religion/region/color/language but UNITED we are as Indians!! Every Indian in our nation has the right for a better living, better expression of thought, better education and so..confine our religion within the walls of our places of worship. when we come to the society we are INDIANS, children of Bharat Matha. let us not be called or divided by any other name. UNITED WE ARE! United shall we fight the inequalities of the society, the cancer called 'bribe' and still there are many more long queue of other priority things that we have to achieve united. time is late to shred the fabric of religion and wear the bullet proof of Indian-feeling!!!!!!!!!!!! and, i feel that all these things we have to start from the LKG application form: yes, let there be only one column regarding the existence nature. that is; nationality: INDIAN

Comment by Gope Lalwani

Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:00:11 EDT

According to a written reply to the Rajya Sabha on 11/5/2005, Mminister of State for Home Affairs, Sriprakash Jaiswal, a total of 790 Muslims and 259 Hindus were killed in post Godhra riots in 2002 in Gujarat. Both communities were involved in Madness, the result was " RIOT" This episode cannot be called GENOCIDE, in which Muslims only were killed. The entire show created by Tejpal-Tehlka is based on Modi bashing. The show does not show 259 Hindus torched and slaughtered by Muslims !!! Approximately 1050 citizens of secular India died in Gujarat. 259 died on one side and 790 died on the other side in the gang war. The gang war in between two factions, groups or communities can be called RIOT and not the genocide. What happened in Delhi with Sikh citizens of India, was GENOCIDE which happened due to" Banyan-Tree" which had fallen shaking the earth of Delhi, according to ex Prime Minister of India. Looking to above figures of riot victims, It can be said that 25% victims of the riot were Hindus, while they formed 85% percent population. The Majority community 85% suffered at the hands of only 15% minority population. This clearly prove that Minority community was more Active in Riots than Majority communities, otherwise ratio of victims in Minority communities would have been 6 to 1 and not 3 to 1. India saw Millions Hindus and Muslim slaughtered in Hindu-Muslims Riots at the time of partition of India. Should we blame the episode on Gandhi and Nehru? I think the way Modi is being targeted and made responsible is unfair. Over-all more counts of Hindus are slaughtered in secular India than Muslims, as victims of communal riots and Islamic Terror. More Hindus are slaughtered in Mamba alone compared to Muslims, based on the Ratio of population of both communities in Mumbai; who are victims of communal riots and Islamic Terror of 1993 serial Bomb blasts and serial train bombing of trains. Muslims are definitely more active in engineering riots and sabotage every where in secular India,yet they blame Hindus for atrocities. In 1971, despite the well known fact that the Pakistan army had killed close to 300,000, mainly Hindus, in Bangladesh (a figure accepted by the official Hamidur Rehman commission as well -- Pakistan General Gul Hasan who was chief of the army at the time claims that over 600,000 were killed), there was no internal strife as all parties (including the much reviled RSS) were co-opted in keeping this secret. Ninety percent of the nearly 1 crore (10 million) refugees that poured into India were also Hindus. But even this was successfully hidden from the public During SIKH GENOCIDE, comparing the situation in Delhi with that in Kolkata which had also witnessed initial violence against the Sikhs "the failure of Delhi authorities to respond to the early signals of trouble contrasted with the alacrity displayed by their counterparts in Kolkata. "Significantly, mob violence broke out in Kolkata even before it did in Delhi. The violence, however, fizzled out in Kolkata because at the first sign of attacks on Sikhs, the local government led by Communists immediately called in the Army to restore law and order". NO ARMY WAS CALLED IN DELHI EVEN AFTER THE GENOCIDE OF THOUSANDS OF SIKHS WAS STARTED BY THE PROVOCATIVE STATEMENT BY RAJIV GANDHI, WHO WAS MADE PRIME MINISTER, SAYING THAT "THE BANYAN TREE HAS FALLEN SHAKING THE EARTH" A recent study conducted by RBI reveals that Gujarat ranks first with a proposed investment of $ 17.8 billion whereas the total FDI inflow in 2007 stands at $ 68 billion. It is 25.8 per cent of the total FDI. The development story of Gujarat in the last six years has many pleasant surprises. Gujarat has first class infrastructure. It also means that Gujarat's political leadership generates enough confidence among the investors from India and abroad and that the State governance is trusted upon by all concerned. It means providing large-scale employment, it means industrialisation; it means huge exports and it also means vigorous economic activity. Gujarat is a shinning example in India's economic development and self reliance. The problem of women, youth, self-employed, old, disabled and poor have been addressed through one or the other project with great success. E-governance has made the task easier. Even the poorest of the poor can be attended by special and big hospitals of the city. The same implies to pregnant women. In Gujarat urban development does not mean serving only nine cities but also smaller towns and blocks numbering 168. The face of Gujarat has changed beyond recognition. UK based NRI industrialist Lord Swaraj Paul praised the excellent infrastructure and Roads network developed in Gujarat. "Gujarat is the most impressive State in the whole of the country." he said. There is no one area where Gujarat has not made significant progress in the last six years. The credit has to be given to Modi. Meet any Gujarati in India or abroad. They are all praises for Modi. Even his critics and opponents concede this though they have been critical about him on other aspects of his personality and behaviour. Yet nobody questioned his integrity and honesty. Rebels within the party have some grouse against him but even they concede what is due to him. The speedy development of Gujarat is the issue for Assembly election. The opponents of Modi and BJP are trying to make it a referendum on Modi but it won't work.

Comment by Jawahara

Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:20:49 EDT

Annamma, I am sure his supporters see fire and zeal and passion in his eyes. And he is committed to his state...the Hindu part at least. And ss/Ajay/Sujai, stop pointing like you have great points. Great points of what? ;-)