Desicritics Comments on Being Gay in India

Comment by rorademiamibe

Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:22:02 EST

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Comment by Aaman

Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:29:22 EDT

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Comment by nikunj

Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:46:14 EDT

this is so true and I hate when they ask how long u been gay? and who forced u to become gay? The beginning was hilarious.

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Comment by Kerty

Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:42:25 EST

On a side note, Ayn Randian school of thought has been throughly discredited and reduced to a cult-like standing, mostly followed by right-wing nuts as they are called in USA. It childishly apropriates for itself objectivity and rationalism and therefore those who disagree can be called non-objectivist and irrational. Just like xians and Islamists appropriate for themselves to be believers so that those who disagree and believe something else can be demonized as non-believers, Kaffirs, heathens. Besides Indiviualidsm can not remain viable outside the context of statism. Thus Ayn Randism remains a pack of contradictions and flawed ideology followed mostly by right-wing hate groups, the same groups that homosexual movements find themselves up against. I didn't mean to critique Ayn Randism here, but your reference to it in the context of finding homosexual compatibility makes it relevant. Homosexual agenda is more likely to find compatibility with feminists and statists that seek empowerment by exploiting the victimizations and atomizations created in socio-cultural sphere by sexual anarchy. Among supremacist and conservative circles, they all would feel marginalized and persecuted.

Comment by Kerty

Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:10:42 EST

In USA, strict judeo-xian conditioning could not loosen until porn went mainstream in 60s and 70's. That era is called sexual liberation. It harvested alternative sexual lifestyles. By 80s, it produced powerful homosexual culture until AIDS gave it a momentary setback. After it reached a critical mass, it went thru movement for 'outing' from closets, formation of human right groups to classify their rights as human-right, movement to gain civil rights and equal-rights similar to heterosexuals by seeking same-sex marriages, adoption etc. In India, porn has not made inroads even though it is accessible over internet. It has not achieved mainstream. In USA, porn went thru theater-phase, video-parlours, book-stores, cable channels and now internet. In India, it has arrived straight to internet. Thus, it has not acquired legitimacy or mainstreaming. Thus, it has not been in a position to challenge the traditional conditioning in India. Thus, it has not been able to harvest alternative life-styles. Achieving critical mass, outing, claiming equal rights etc will have to wait until ground is ready. Indian queers will have to remain closeted for a long while. So if one looking to find Indians with openness similar to Americans, it will remain a long search.

Comment by Kerty

Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:15:42 EST

Sexuality is defined by conditioning and prevailing culture. People do not acquire orientation towards Beastiality or Pedofilia or non-consentual sex because society have conditioned them to view them as perversion. Many people are now-a-days attracted to them because they are readily accessible over internet, their conditioning has changed because of easy access to them. Porn provides strong counter influence in conditioning the sexuality in society - it sorts of opens the gate. Once black and white world of heterosexual conditioning loses its absolute hold, society will see rise in sexual conditioning in all its combinations and permutations - who will acquire what conditioning can be anybody's guess. Since state would still hold on to old legal framework and society would still be 'repressive' of sexual 'deviancy', most people would end up holding sexual variations in non-manifested forms(thoughts, fantasies, casual experimentation) or in a closet, until such deviancies pick up critical mass that can challenge traditional mores - homosexuality becomes the lead mascot for counter movement to change social and legal framework for acceptance and accommodation of this new category of freedom - freedom of sexual preferences, freedom from discrimination based on sexual preferences.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:51:40 EST

well kela, that is really not what came through. what came through is what I felt was equivalent to hate speech. if you had said exactly what you did above, while I vehemently disagree with it, there would have been no issues whatsoever.

Comment by kela

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:38:43 EST

squirrel, all i suggested was the Deviants spend their efforts seeking a fix to their problem rather than looking for non-existant "LATENT" homosexuality in people

Comment by smallsquirrel

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:58:09 EST

listen kela, I saw what you said before it got edited and to be truthful I am the one who brought it to the attention of the editors. if you want to think homosexuality is deviant behavior, fine. then build a logical argument based on that. not some hate-filled diatribe with no critical point. you used the "f" word at least 3 times, which is a slur. your language was deplorable and your were being terribly nasty. you did not have a point to that comment except to make an ad hominem attack, and the rules for the site clearly state that those won't be accepted.

Comment by kela

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:40:05 EST

You're a brave man Aaman,thats good,considering your site has very good leverage with google and is very visible.

Comment by Aaman

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:34:43 EST

Kela, those books are totally immature, primitive and asinine, like most books written a few hundred plus years ago, without the benefit of modern enlightened liberal humanism. And I'm sorry I missed that personal attack, cleaning it up now...

Comment by kela

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:32:20 EST

Well ,no point arguing,it'll only make you feel great but, you conveniently allowed Joe Homo to personally attack me while there was nothing personal in what I typed. One more thing both the Bible and the Koran(besides the Indian Penal Code) term homosexuality as deviant perverted acts,so by branding what i wrote as IMMATURE TRIPE you're indirectly saying both these holy books are just that.Interesting huh ? I shall remember this slight

Comment by Aaman

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:38:26 EST

When have we heard that before, and if you have any doubts about the comment policy, click this link

Comment by kela

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:14:35 EST

BS, i thgt ur policy was anything goes. i've had enuff of this site

Comment by kela

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:42:24 EST

[EDITED - IMMATURE TRIPE]

Comment by Joe

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:23:05 EST

Nice read. Regardless of all the bitchiness that ensued. Kela, your immaturity is surpassed only by your ignorance. Vast numbers of morons [EDITED - PERSONAL], unfortunately, trivialize the issue. We're are talking about consensual sex between two adult human beings. How on earth do you liken that to bestiality and pedophilia? (Why don't you throw in Murder and S&M, while you're at it). Your attitude is suspiciously close to that of latent homosexuals who ridicule their own lot to appear heterosexual. I suggest you trash your Rs.1/- guide to homosexuality and read something you can quote in an intelligent discussion. This is an article about being "gay" in India; if you're not gay, or don't have anything valid to add, just shut the fuck up. Curious, why you even read it in the first place. By the way, giving you the benefit of a tiny, tiny doubt that you might actually be interested in the topic, Michel Foucault's "history of sexuality" would be a good start.

Comment by Joe

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:18:54 EST

Nice read. Regardless of all the bitchiness that ensued. Kela, your immaturity is surpassed only by your ignorance. Vast numbers of morons like you, unfortunately, trivialize the issue. We're are talking about consensual sex between two adult human beings. How on earth do you liken that to bestiality and pedophilia? (Why don't you throw in Murder and S&M, while you're at it). Your attitude is suspiciously close to that of latent homosexuals who ridicule their own lot to appear heterosexual. I suggest you trash your Rs.1/- guide to homosexuality and read something you can quote in an intelligent discussion. This is an article about being "gay" in India; if you're not gay, or don't have anything valid to add, just shut the fuck up. Curious, why you even read it in the first place. By the way, giving you the benefit of a tiny, tiny doubt that you might actually be interested in the topic, Michel Foucault's "history of sexuality" would be a good start.

Comment by kela

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:49:51 EDT

Worms turn gay after brain tweak http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071027/asp/nation/story_8479486.asp this proves Gays are freaks as in homosexuality being just a medical disorder.All those who sell homosexuality as a lifestyle are perverts

Comment by PH

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:31:36 EDT

Came across two interesting scales Kinsey and Klein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_Sexual_Orientation_Grid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale Actually, Klein's is a grid (2D) which also allows for change along time.

Comment by PH

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:52:36 EDT

Aditi, "Fine tuning" is perfect!! I'm jealous you thought of the expression:) Thanks for the kind comments and likewise to you too:) There are one or two well known profs seriously studying homosexuality and its biological underpinnings but-as always-their names escape me. Will see if I can dig up some lit on it.

Comment by Aditi Nadkarni

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:34:44 EDT

Ahh, I kinda see what you mean, PH. You meant whether fine tuning along that scale we were referring to is possible. Now that I think is possible. I wish there was a way in which this could be studied scientifically. It would be very interesting. And you are right, the "conversion" part threw me off a bit :) I didn't think you were being judgmental at all. I've seen your previous comments and all of them are rational and very open :)

Comment by PH

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:31:55 EDT

Sorry one too many "possibility"s in the previous post:)