Desicritics Comments on Iranian Professors Question Lee Bollinger & the USA

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Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:40:59 EST

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Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:38:04 EST

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Comment by temporal

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:12:56 EDT

Interview with Seymour Hersch

Hersh: We have this wonderful capacity in America to Hitlerize people. We had Hitler, and since Hitler we've had about 20 of them. Khrushchev and Mao and of course Stalin, and for a little while Gadhafi was our Hitler. And now we have this guy Ahmadinejad. The reality is, he's not nearly as powerful inside the country as we like to think he is. The Revolutionary Guards have direct control over the missile program and if there is a weapons program, they would be the ones running it. Not Ahmadinejad.

Comment by temporal

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:01:34 EDT

Poll: Most Israelis support using nukes

Approximately 72 percent of Israelis support the use of nuclear weapons in certain circumstances, according to a Canadian survey released recently.

Comment by Anamika

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:58:56 EDT

small squirrel - you are so boringly predictable. Really one does wonder if you are able to communicate without resorting to expletives. But perhaps the internet provides you with a safe channel of articulating that rage you deny yet consistently express in your posts. The "right to exist" you support requires the expulsion and genocide of another people - whose basic crime has been to be less politically, economically and militarily powerful. My question remains the same: Why make the palestinians pay for the sins of europeans? Frankly I don't expect you to do answer any of the questions because you have amply demonstrated yourself incapable of responding without personal attacks and expletives or indeed with any rational coherence. Btw, my compliments to Mssrs Rothschilds...their wine quality remains remarkably consistent, despite the travails of history.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:08:51 EDT

anamika... see, I told you that you would take pot shots and put words in my mouth, and you've done it. you're a friggin joke, woman. I don't support israel OR zionism (although I do think israel has a right to exist), have said I do not, and yet you keep on making shit up. you must be one bored, desperate, sad woman to keep attacking someone and lying about them even after they make things clear. it's funny the shit you accuse me of even though you don't know me from adam. you don;t even know the difference between a jew and a zionist, and you are so stupid you think all jews think the same think. this is why you are an anti-semite. personal attacks? nice touch comparing me to a colonialist. you're such a racist. keep it up, cause it just makes me laugh. other people here know me and know what I think and believe, so all you are really doing is making yourself look bad with all this hyperbole. anyway, this time I am really done. just wanted to chime in one more time. cause you don't make me mad honey, you just make me chuckle. also you make my husband and friends chuckle too. we're all having one giant collective laugh at your self-righteous ridiculousness. peace.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 05:24:18 EDT

I would politely suggest to the readers here that the time frame for significant events to occur may considerably be shorter than the next sixteen months. In other words, it may not matter which idiot seeks to be America's next president....

Comment by Bob

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 03:12:25 EDT

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this in the previous 124 comments but a couple of weeks ago Bush said that Hillary would most likely win the Democratic nomination. Is he endorsing someone who will carry on from his future attack on Iran? Is there a secret pact between the house of Bush and the house of Clinton? I sincerely hope my imagination is wrong on this. But I think the neo-cons/neo-imperialists and the Zionists in Israel are hungry for blood. will they ever stop? the greatest threat to peace in the Middle East and the world are not Ahmadinejad or Iran, it's Israel and its nukes! Most politicians in the usa, Canada, the uk, and other european countries are terrified to even admit this fact in public...it's the worst kept secret in international politics.

Comment by Aaman

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:44:19 EDT

US trains Gulf air forces for war with Iran

While it is unlikely that America's Gulf allies would join any US air strike against suspected nuclear targets in Iran, their co-operation might be required to allow passage of warplanes though their airspace. American defence officials are also keen that Iran's Arab neighbours prepare to deal with any Iranian attempt to target them in return.

Most likely a disinfo/COINTELPRO article, but interesting, nevertheless

Comment by Anamika

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:36:13 EDT

Hey sridhar, thanks. Personal attacks and aggression seem to mark Israel supporters, who choose that form (and accusations of anti-Semitic) to any rational engagement on the issue. To date I have yet to meet a single self-styled "liberal" Israel supporter who is willing to answer the questions I posed. Mostly because answering them would expose them as fanatics and/or hypocrites. I have no problems with people choosing "realpolitik" or even straight forward - "yes we made the Palestininans pay for the crimes" - because that would be a starting point for further discussion. But the self-righteous, moralistic preening is just too reminiscent of the old colonial attitudes. Of course, these are the same people who blithely ignore opennly racist statements by Israel's founding fathers. And they ignore the simple historical phenomenon that Zionism is intimately rooted to the same philosophical streams of Europe that led to Nazism - ie ideas of nations based on religion, language and/or race; superiority of particular races; and of course the corollary of that - the demonization, marginalization and exploitation of other races. But if you point out that Zionism and Nazism are - if not sibling streams - then at least close cousins - they will accuse you of anti-Semitism. That is one reason I can cope with Ruvy's diatribes. He has picked a belief (however illogical and abhorrent one may find it) and sticks to it. At least his fanaticism is honest and - fortunately, not directed at my people. Now going back to the discussion on Iran - when do you think US/Israel nexus shall unilaterally and without provocation bomb that sovereign nation? I would say about the time of Republican Party primaries. Any other guesses?

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:20:48 EDT

Temple, I've commented extensively on this article, perhaps too extensively. You've commented but little. Let me draw your attention to these remarks, though. They scare me almost as much as those of the people actually determined to kill me and mine here in Samaria. "Iran's president said some very silly things, but he's been trying to kick-start his stand-up comedy career for years. He definitely has some loathsome ideas, but on the flip side believing that evolution and man-made global warming doesn't exist is also way up there on the stupid-o-meter. At the same time, Ahmadinejad knows it is so easy to bluster and get people's panties / knickers in a wad. He plays people for chumps and the chumps respond." What scares me is that you do not take Ahmadinejad seriously at all. He, and his politics deserve to be taken very seriously, just like Hitler deserved to be taken seriously - and wasn't. This man poses a real threat - a more real one to Europe and Israel than the American mainland perhaps, but real nonetheless. Sophisticates view him as the mere cat's paw of the Russians, or as a powerless mouthpiece of the mullahs in Iran, but just as the bankers and conservative politicians of Germany did not own Hitler seventy years ago, the Russians do not own Ahmadinejad. Until he had the real military power to back up his ambitions, Hitler, like Ahmadinejad, seemed a comic opera character striking heroic poses in N�rnberg and Munich. I suspect that some of your relatives fought the Nazi war machine that Hitler built, and perhaps some even died doing so. Had European politicians taken him seriously in 1936, far fewer people would have died attempting to erase his evil influence. As it is, many millions died and the evil influence of Nazism plagues us still.... That is why what you write scares me. You have not learned the lesson etched in blood and stone on the battlefields and memorials of the Second World War. When your enemy speaks, pay careful attention. More likely than not, he is telling you his true intentions.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:46:05 EDT

oh and sridhar, you chose to conveniently ignore the fact that you made a big mistake, eh? yeah, thought so.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:44:05 EDT

oh anamika, you do make me laugh... over and out!

Comment by sridhar

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:48:17 EDT

Ruvy,#104 You have given a very honest reply on the issue of Armenian genocide. if i remember a number of Armenian Jews died in that slaughter. If we did disagree in the past it was issue based and never personal. Take care my friend.

Comment by sridhar

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:37:34 EDT

Anamika, I have read your spirited exchanges and they must be carved in gold. Your post#101 raises important questions on the Palestian issue.

Comment by Aaman

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:15:01 EDT

Iran says CIA,US Army is 'terrorist' agency

Iran's parliament has approved a nonbinding resolution to label the CIA and the US army as "terrorist organisations". The move is seen as a diplomatic tit-for-tat after the US senate also voted in favour of a motion urging the state department to designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a "terrorist organisation." The signing of the resolution by 215 politicians at an open session of the Iranian parliament was broadcast live on television on Saturday. The statement said: "The aggressor US army and the Central Intelligence Agency are terrorists and also nurture terror."

The use of atom bombs in WWII and depleted uranium munitions were referenced in the resolution.

Comment by Anamika

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:06:15 EDT

small squirrel: Just for the record, just go back to #39 where a polite and open discussion was marred by your use of capital letters and "EFFING"? But you're right - that does not demonstrate rage issues. Following a rather voluminous exchange, I pointed out that you seem to jump at Salim insisting he apologize (#66) but were quite happy to ignore the hate filled material from Ruvy. Btw the specific rant - I am inured to Ruvy's fanaticism - I objected to included the term "pagan bastards" - a term applied for over 500 years to Indians far more than to the nonbelievers ilk. YOU then chose to respond extremely aggressively with expletives. But we shall STILL ignore that as a clear sign of your rage issues. So I asked you to move beyond the shrillness and explain why you choose to ignore the second part of Ahmedinijad's statement (#76) You came back with: "...you might be a bit of an anti-semite" and a further accusation that I was "foaming at the mouth." (#78) Rather uncalled for but which does indicate deep rooted insecurities and rage. But lets move on... I had asked questions quite civilly but perhaps that may be a case of Freudian transference of that rage you do not feel (note: as per your accusation of me being an anti-Semite, I refer only to the work of a "Jewish" thinker!) I repeated my basic question to you and you responded with: "AND FOR FUCK'S SAKE... for the last effing time." (#85) Is it terribly hard to not use expletives when you do not feel any anger? And in the same message, you took the rather juvenile attitude by accusing me of going "off half-cocked in your own self-righteous and ridiculous anger" and then calling me a "pseudo-intellectual" who talked "to the evil jews in (their) head." The above - a false accusation accompanied by hysteria - is a phenomenon often seen amongst teenagers and infantilized adult females (note: I still stick to the "Jewish" thinker!) who are unable to articulate their suppressed rage. I repeated my question regarding settler colonies to you (#83). And you responded with more abuse (see above diagnosis). Of course on a parallel scale you also brought in irrelevant references to your sexual past which you later dismissed as an attempt at humour. Of course the reference was a bit more complex as it wasn't simply to Persian friends (as in Sridhar's case) but also clearly pointed out the former sexual partner as "long term." An attempt to establish a relatively moral attitude to suppressed feelings about your personal relations? (Freud, that "Jewish" man again!) Do you dream about this perhaps? Perhaps you should consider Freudian analysis after all. It shall help you achieve that happiness you insist you own. I for one shall open that bottle of Rothschild to mark the end of a long and hectic day. You may take note that I have even chosen to support "Jewish" business even in my moment of leisure...

Comment by temporal

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:41:10 EDT

your god let you wander for 6000 years? palestinian god has let them wander for 60 years so let us see whose god wins in the end? i will pray for the safety of your family and for everyone in the occupied lands...and elsewhere in this wide world of our gods so, why dislodge palestinians for the sins of europeans?

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:50:01 EDT

Temporal, Pay attention to the news. The earthquakes are getting closer to Israel (Yemen). The disaster is creeping closer. The redemption is getting closer. My book, not yours. My G-d, not yours. The prophecies of my people, not yours. In my book, the "Palestinians" are a "no-people". The evidence is right in front of your eyes. Not only is there no "Palestinian state" there won't be, no matter who huffs or puffs to the contrary. The "Palestinian" people have been divided, and divided they shall remain. The issue is now for us Jews in Israel to figure that out and act accordingly. Everything in your comment above - that is also huffing and puffing. Temporal - a fitting name for you. Temporary.... Salaam

Comment by temporal

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:40:50 EDT

yeah fun for you bush is itching to leave a quagmire behind he cannot extricate from iraq so iran here i come...iran will blockade straits of hormuz...hurl missiles towards israelis...they will retaliate...giving pentagon ammunition to intervene fully...thousands will die that is your fun y a w n

Comment by temporal

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:34:44 EDT

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:26:36 EDT

Debkafiles reports that the entire Russian staff of the Bushehr plant left the plant and flew back to Russia on 28 September. According to Debkafiles there are three possibilities; 1. There is a problem between the Iranians and the Russians 2. There will be a sudden attack on Iran 3. Iran will launch a sudden attack. Fun, ain't it?

Comment by temporal

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:47:56 EDT

ruvy: forgive me if i call a spade a spade and not south syrian judean or samarian:) the palestinians have been usurped, displaced and occupied for the crimes of your fellow europeans amin husseini and others like him were minor clogs in adolf's machinations and not the other way around as you try to re write history israel today is an undeclared nuclear power flaunting international law and safeguards much more blatantly than iran, north korea, pakistan, chinaall put together save your arabic, yiddish, hebrew for a rainy day warna hum bhi hindi bolna shru kardaingay:) palestinians ... brought the "naqba" on themselves, and should consider themselves damned lucky that we are not genocidal Germans.... the palestinians brought this on themselves as much as the jews brought them upon themselves as hitler would have us believe...right? because of israeli displacement, subjugation, ghettoisation, westnbankistisation (read as bantustisation) the rest of the world is being made to pay for the crimes of europe and germany remember what i advocate - one law for everyone in the region beginning with adherence to the UNHR's charter you stay...palestinians stay...you have a right to return...they have a right to return... shalom

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:13:46 EDT

Temporal, Read comments 41 and 98, again, focusing on the role of Amin Husseini. This is the man who cost the South Syrian Arabs any right to this country. He led them in murder, and then he brought about an even bigger murder in Europe. Do I need to translate "itbaH el yahud!" and "el yahud klabna!" or is your Arabic good enough? That is the kind of shit every Israeli gets to learn about here... South Syrian Arabs brought the "naqba" on themselves, and should consider themselves damned lucky that we are not genocidal Germans....

Comment by temporal

Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:30:51 EDT

107 ruvy: so Israel can HAVE all the nuclear devices BUT god's wrath be reserved to other neighbors who should be ready to be blown away to oblivion if they strive for peaceful uses of the nuclear energy? (need i mention countries?) and above on the borrowed shoulders of good old US of A! why should the world at large continue to pay for the travesty perpetrated by europeans on the jews in the 1940s? why AND for how long and if you answer this please do not invoke god or i will ask you again 'whose god';) shalom