NEWS

Taslima Nasreen Attacked by MLAs in Hyderabad

August 10, 2007
Amrita Rajan

Fun and games broke out in the city of Hyderabad yesterday when controversial Bangladeshi author Taslima Nasreen was attacked by "a group of middle aged men" at the launch of the Telugu translation of her new book, Shodh. Said group of middle aged men turned out to be "activists" (including three Members of the State Legislative Assembly) from the Majlis Ittehad-ul-Muslimeen (MIM), a political party working out of Hyderabad.

From the Hindu 

I’d never heard of the MIM before, but I can see they’re obviously a genius bunch. After all, it takes mucho grey cells to realize that nothing attracts more sympathy to your cause than throwing odd bits of furniture and anything else you can get your hands on at a lone woman in front of TV cameras. Standing in the middle of the local Press Club of all places:

[A]bout 20 MIM activists, led by MLAs Syed Ahmed Pasha Qadri, Afsar Khan and Moazzam Khan, barged into the conference hall... Demanding to know “who had mustered the guts to invite her to Hyderabad, they wanted Ms. Nasrin to be handed over to them. Without further warning, they began throwing books, bouquets, chairs, and whatever they could lay their hands on at her.

Nasreen was shielded from harm by journalists on the scene and police arrested seven persons who were later released on bail. When asked about it, MIM MLA Akbaruddin Owaisi took to the airwaves to explain why his partymembers' actions were not violent in anyway:

"It wasn't physical violence. She got what she deserves. Probably she deserves more. Why are we talking about a writer who is not an Indian?" he asked.

[snip]

"Nasreen is no different than a (Praveen) Togadia, who is a Hindu fundamental leader. She has hurt the sentiments of 20 crore Muslims. We are bothered so much about one person who is not even an Indian but we don't seem to care about the lot of Muslims in this country who are disgusted with her."

Ladies and gentlemen, Akrabuddin Owaisi is obviously a great man! Why didn't someone tell me about this new philosopher in our midst, with his truly astonishing grasp of logic and analogy? 

Of course Nasreen is exactly like Togadia! A Muslim woman writer who writes about equality and the interpretation of the Koran - why, the connection is fairly blinding, it is! Also, Bangladeshis? Bah! Everybody knows killing a Bangladeshi isn't like killing an actual person - it's more like killing... a Bangladeshi, you know? Completely different thing! And throwing things at and threatening to behead people isn't violence! Some people positively need to be beheaded and who cares about itty bitty things like the law? Filthy, man made things, that's what laws are! Who wants any of that nastiness?

Well... erm, the MIM? Considering they're a political party and have several members in the Legislative Assembly? You know, the body that... uh, legislates?

But listen, these are the soldiers of God! They know what they're doing, alright? Look at their accomplishments in a 48 hour period:

  • Given loads of publicity to Nasreen’s new book
  • Painted her as a victim and hence a figure for sympathy
  • Played up to the worst ever stereotype of Muslims with MLA Akhtar Khan (one of the men who took part in the incident) saying things like: “She has written books against our government, Islam…I am a Muslim first and then an MLA. My party is with me in this mission.

Well done, MIM, well done indeed! What a credit you are to your cause, your religion, your political office! I must try this novel method of winning hearts and minds the next time I campaign for something. Personally speaking, I wouldn’t have thought of throwing flower pots at someone but what do I know? I‘m not in public service. I didn’t swear any oaths, etc to uphold the tenets of my office or anything. Especially not in the name of God. The God I'm willing to murder people for. No sir!

All sarcasm aside, Nasreen, of course, is not the first writer to be faced with this kind of persecution; she’s merely the latest in a long line. Nor is this kind of behavior the sole prerogative of Indians or even Muslim Indians: Nasreen, after all, was forced to leave Bangladesh seeking political asylum because her book Lajja was deemed "blasphemous" and, in the not so distant past, the MIM’s Kumbh ke mele mein bichde hue bhai (long lost brothers), the very intelligent Sambhaji Brigade, has done Hindu and Maratha pride wonders, for example.

Now, while I do have an opinion about the kind of laws that drove Nasreen out of her country, I'm far more concerned by this decision of the Supreme Court of India, carried out in May:

“It is true that forfeiture of a newspaper or book or a document is a serious encroachment on the right of a citizen, but if forfeiture is called for in the public interest it must without a doubt have pre-eminence over any individual interest,” a Bench of Justices B P Singh and H S Bedi observed while upholding the Karnataka government’s decision to ban a vernacular novel.

From NDTVAlthough I’ve always defended the right to free speech, I understand that there are some limits that are desirable: hate speech, inciting violence, slander… But what the above decision (pertaining to a Kannada book I have not read called Dharmakaarana by PV Narayana) does, as far as I can make out, is pander to extremists. [If anyone has read the book and supports the decision, I’d be glad to hear from them.]

What that SC ruling says, as I see it, is that tomorrow a bunch of crackpots can band together and have my opinions as a law abiding citizen censored irrespective of actual intent or truth by threatening violence. All they have to do is convince the government that they mean business. So my rights as a citizen can be held hostage by any idiot criminal with an effigy as the words of Delhi Minorities Commission Chairperson Kamal Farooqi, speaking out to condemn the actions of the MIM MLAs, illustrate:

"The government should immediately cancel her visa and make her go out of the country," he said adding, "she should realise that this is not Bangladesh or Pakistan, but India where the sentiments of all communities are respected".

Farooqi and Owaisi got one thing right: Nasreen is not an Indian citizen; she is instead a guest in our country. A country I might add, that gives itself many airs about its traditions and culture, including a much-avowed system of hospitality, which, the last time I checked, does not include the murder of one's guests in one's home no matter how objectionable one might find them.

Nasreen has been nothing but complimentary about India and its democracy but in view of the SC ruling and the time-honored Indian tradition of throwing sops to criminals in the interests of hushing up that which we find uncomfortable (not to mention crass votebank politics), I have to wonder if her faith might not be misplaced.  

Who wants to place bets that Shodh is going to go the way of Lajja? Buy your copies now, folks.

Update: The many mysteries and intricacies of Indian law continue to fascinate - an FIR is registered against Taslima Nasreen for "hurting religious sentiments" (of course!) apparently by the mere fact of her existence, while the "lawmakers" who called for her murder walk free.  

Amrita Rajan is a writer based in NYC
eXTReMe Tracker
Keep reading for comments on this article and add some feedback of your own!

Comments! Feedback! Speak and be heard!

Comment on this article or leave feedback for the author

#1
Deepa Krishnan
URL
August 10, 2007
01:15 PM

Have you noticed how this sort of thing has increased in recent days? I think increased media presence has a lot to do with it. There is also more of a mob/lynching mentality going around.

#2
Historian
August 10, 2007
01:53 PM

@deepa - "Increased in recent days"? Remember Salman Rushdie and death threats to him. This is age old phenomemon Deepa.

#3
Tanay
URL
August 10, 2007
01:55 PM

This is from Indian Express.

MIM president Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi defended his party MLAs. "When the Bangladesh government has shunted Taslima out of the country, why is the Indian government protecting her?" he asked.

Now Amrita as you have rightly said, we take pride in our culture of a much-avowed system of hospitality.

Then if Mr. Owaisi and his party members don't understand the difference between India and Bangladesh at least for the above mentioned context, then I feel they do not fit into the bracket of citizens of India, let alone be its lawmakers.

It's like if someone throws a stone on a person[whether s/he deserves it, is a different issue], then I should also do the same. What crap logic ?

#4
Kumar
August 10, 2007
02:12 PM

What surprises is that the MIM guys are not at all concerned about the disgrace they are bringing to their religion. They are reinforcing the stereotypes about Muslims and that Islamic theology/history is responsible for violence in Islamic society.

#5
temporal
URL
August 10, 2007
03:03 PM

ams:

I must try this novel method of winning hearts and minds the next time I campaign for something.

cancel that luncheon;)

#6
pramod gupta
August 10, 2007
04:24 PM

Apropos of the news on attack on Taslima- The time has come to ensure that the VP - elect (the Left -Muslim face) dares to tame MIM and their associates for their shameful act in attacking Taslima Nasreen (The prized Bangla Writer under threat and asylum in India) and does not remain rhetoric as the left has behaved ( as Paper Tiger) since they have tasted power at the Centre.
PRAMOD GUPTA
8/3, ROOP NAGAR, DELHI-110007
9811071821

#7
Irfan
August 10, 2007
04:31 PM

I think the MIM got what they wanted, the Muslims in Hyderabad are so sensitive towards the issue of Quran, shariath, that they are going to accept this goonda act from the MIM folks, even if it is going to bring a bad name for the Muslims.
I called my Home, my sisters believe that what MIM has done was not bad at all, they meant after all this Lady has brought a bad name to Islam.And my sisters are not even a Burkha type and has University education and has decent jobs.
In the Urdu paper Etemaad a mouth piece of MIM, the Pictures of this glorious attack is all over.

Another urdu newspaper called siasat which is more or less a communist paper, and is at war with MIM, writes that, "MIM has attacked Tasleema just with Flower pots and bouquets and chairs". The newspaper regrets that MIM has missed the golden chance to carry out the death fatwa against the author, purposely.

The police took the MLA's into custody and released them in an hour. The MLA's were booked under disturbing peace. Of course the present Congress govt do not want to take on MIM since MIM is an unofficial ally of UPA. The opposition Telugu Desam also is not interested in alienating MIM for the fear of loosing Muslim votes in next election. So is with the communist parties.

BJP has just two MLA's in assembly they are quiet with this matter.

#8
Irfan
August 10, 2007
04:39 PM

Pramod Gupta #6
Apropos of the news on attack on Taslima- The time has come to ensure that the VP - elect (the Left -Muslim face) dares to tame MIM and their associates for their shameful act in attacking Taslima Nasreen

Dear Pramod Gupta what can the VP do in this matter, that poor guy is elected just now, he has not even taken oath. Let him first take oath. Even after taking oath what can he do, the post of VP is ceremonial while MIM is a elected body.

Just as Bhairon Singh Shekhawat could not have tamed Praveen Togadia, Hamid Ansari also could not tame MIM activist.

#9
Irfan
August 10, 2007
04:40 PM

Pramod Gupta #6
Apropos of the news on attack on Taslima- The time has come to ensure that the VP - elect (the Left -Muslim face) dares to tame MIM and their associates for their shameful act in attacking Taslima Nasreen

Dear Pramod Gupta what can the VP do in this matter, that poor guy is elected just now, he has not even taken oath. Let him first take oath. Even after taking oath what can he do, the post of VP is ceremonial while MIM is a elected body.

Just as Bhairon Singh Shekhawat could not have tamed Praveen Togadia, Hamid Ansari also could not tame MIM activist.

#10
Deepti Lamba
URL
August 11, 2007
12:31 AM

Irfan, are your sisters okay with stoning women for adultery? or okay with requiring a third witness to rape? Thats Sharia for you.

When educated Muslim women do not stand up for their sister who has the courage to question the ills of a religion and demand reformation then it is the adherents who give the religion and those who follow it a bad name not the person in question.

I'm disappointed to hear that your sisters approved of the attack made against Taslima. Their approval of such heinous deeds shows lack of civilized thinking despite degrees of supposed education



#11
Ledzius
August 11, 2007
01:51 AM

Owaisi's quote: "We are bothered so much about one person who is not even an Indian"..

Going by this logic, Australia was perfectly justified in holding Haneef in custody for 4 weeks since he isn't even an Australian..

How long will it take most of us liberal Indians to see the writing on the wall.. all this talk of "a few extremists bringing shame to Islam.. the majority of Muslims are peace-loving" is nonsense.

Please get real! Just because only a few are vocal doesn't imply the rest are peace-loving.. they are peace-loving only till the point that the other doesn't speak ill of the Koran or the Prophet. After that, the attitudes of their community diverge from that of the others significantly. I was not at all surprised by the reaction of the Hyderabad MLAs. In fact, it was very well expected.

#12
Irfan
August 11, 2007
01:56 AM


Deepti Lamba :Irfan, are your sisters okay with stoning women for adultery? or okay with requiring a third witness to rape? Thats Sharia for you.

Hello Deepti, No I don't think they will go that far for sharia, they are okay with a little bit of Sharia.

#13
Irfan
August 11, 2007
02:01 AM


Ledzious: How long will it take most of us liberal Indians to see the writing on the wall.. all this talk of "a few extremists bringing shame to Islam.. the majority of Muslims are peace-loving" is nonsense.

Hello Ledzious, you might be thinking of a silent majority among Muslims, but actually the silent majority don't think of all those things pride, shame , others pain etc.
If it was the case, then MODI would not have been elected with a huge majority after Godhra.

#14
updike98
URL
August 11, 2007
02:03 AM

Where are the bleeding hearts now?When it comes to jihadi behaviour the Teestas and "carrots " are conspicously quiet.Where is that sanctimonious hippo Renuka?Hindu males make easy targets indeed.But votebank politics makes very strange bedfellows indeed.

#15
Irfan
August 11, 2007
02:06 AM


Ledzious: How long will it take most of us liberal Indians to see the writing on the wall.. all this talk of "a few extremists bringing shame to Islam.. the majority of Muslims are peace-loving" is nonsense.

Hello Ledzious, you might be thinking of a silent majority among Muslims, but actually the silent majority don't think of all those things pride, shame , others pain etc.
If it was the case, then MODI would not have been elected with a huge majority after Godhra.

#16
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
02:43 AM

MIM has taken upon itself to be the upholders of Islam and has acted in response to '20 crore of Muslims' in India who 'have been deeply hurt by the provocative writings of this woman'.

'Getting hurt' has become a common theme in India nowadays. Hindus get hurt by M F Husain's paintings, Christians get hurt by Da Vinci Code, Sikhs by their own Deora incident, and Muslims by Taslima's writings.

Justification

Mr. Owaisi justified his act drawing from how Hindus protested against M F Husain's paintings. "When M F Husain drew some paintings, some felt it was insulting to their religion. But no one who vandalised the exhibition where Husain's paintings were on show were arrested or punished." he said.

We need to understand that All fanatics are the same irrespective of their religion. What's the big difference between the zealots of Hindus and Muslims? Not much!

All zealots are alike. All fanatics are alike. All sympathizers of such fanaticism are alike. All those Hindus who denounce M F Husain's paintings and those who justify his persecution are no different all those Muslims who attack and denounce Taslima Nasrin and her works.

In our attempts to combat the enemy, we become exactly like them. Every zealot and fanatic is upping the ante in their suppression of our freedoms and their expressions of fanaticism.

These days it is not 'freedom of expression', but 'expression of fanaticism'.

#17
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
02:56 AM

We never seem to realize one thing. The people who actually attacke might be handful, but they are backed by many people.

For each attacker, there are hundred wanna-be attackers. For each wanna-be attacker, there are ten thousand active supporters. For each supporter, there are a million sympathizers.

We think it is only the fringe elements- a small minority. BUT THAT IS NEVER THE CASE.

For every goon who vandalized M F Husain's paintings there are million other Hindus who support and sympathize his actions.

For every goon who attacked Taslima and her works, there are million other Muslims, both men and women, educated and uneducated, who support and sympathize their actions.

We need to understand this and NOT DISMISS it.

#18
True Hyderabadi
August 11, 2007
02:58 AM

Okay..these Goondas (they are born Goondas. I know his father ..he is also goonda.) will decide who stay in India.
Every Indian is contempletating why this Muslims stayed back..in India. These guys decide who shd stay in India.
What a irony.

#19
RazorBlade
August 11, 2007
03:04 AM

Praveen Togadia.
Praveen Togadia.
Praveen Togadia.
Why him now !
"Why are doing this goondagiri?"
Ans: Why not. See he do that. So I am also doing.

Rather bizare justification to what he is doing.

#20
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
03:25 AM

This particular incident is NOT symptomatic of just MUSLIMS. It is a disease that has caught with almost every religion in this subcontinent.

Pakistan has their own stupid idiosyncrasies on what is allowed and what is not. So does Bangladesh. So does India.

We are making new rules now. They are based on what we call as 'sensibilities'. We are affected by what you wrote, though we have never read it. We are affected by what you think, though we don't know what it is. We are affected by what you paint, though we have never seen it.

Some of us Hindus are of the opinion that it is OK to vandalize and kick out MF Husain, but it is NOT OK to attack Taslima.

Such selected preferences in our sympathies is not going to take us anywhere. When we sympathize with those who banned the book that detailed riots of 1984, and when we sympathize with those who ban Da Vinci Code, why can't we sympathize with attack on Taslima now?

Such selected justifications will only take us down a spiral path into middle ages.

#21
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
03:30 AM

Deepti:

I'm disappointed to hear that your sisters approved of the attack made against Taslima. Their approval of such heinous deeds shows lack of civilized thinking despite degrees of supposed education

Well, I think you will get disappointed more and more when you start looking at how educated people think and act.

Many people in defense research labs of India, working on advanced missiles, follow 'rahu kaal' and other astrological signs. Many educated Hindus support and sympathize with vandalism on M F Husain.

Many educated Indians want people hanged 'to satisfy the collective conscience' though it is based on flimsy evidence. The same many educated Indians want their favorite Cinema actor exonerated though he is charged with crime based on hard evidence.

;-)

I don't want to disappoint you further!

#22
RazorBlade
August 11, 2007
03:33 AM

Sujai :
------
When M.F.Hussian issue was started did u say any thing about Muslims and how fanatic they are?
No right.
So why are you raising that point which is calmed down.
JUST TALK THIS ISSUE.
Also this issue is between a Muslim woman who thinks what she thinks of Muslims and fanatic Muslims.
If you think what makes sense. Or else you are in the trap of Owasi. This is exactly what he want. When he sidelined his goondagiri by raising other issues like M.F.H, Praveen Tagodia, Modi etc.

#23
Prasun
August 11, 2007
03:47 AM

The goonda gardi of the MIM comes as no surprise,despite the secular India media certifying Owaisi as one of the secular,progressive muslims from time to time.

What is galling is the reaction of the so called progressive and educated muslims,like Sadia Dehlvi,M B Naqvi etc.

Sadia,instead of condemning the cowardly attack, went on to describe Ms Nasreen as a C-grade writer(I have read a few of Sadia's articles in Hindustan Times and they cannot be even called C-grade).Then described how Islam has always treated women respectfully and sang some few words of praise for Mohammed.Not a single sentence expressing horror over the rowdysm of muslim thugs.Then the US and the war on terror came into picture.

M B Naqvi's response was again on same lines: Talsima is a C grade writer who seeks to gain publicity by denigrating Islam.

I do not see Sahmat,Nandita Das or anybody else organising a protest march against the MIM.

All see goes to show that there are very few muslims who decry the extremists in their society.All the so called liberal muslims can do is attack Narendra Modi and come up with stupid explanations for the thuggery of the Islamic kind.

#24
Ledzius
August 11, 2007
03:52 AM

Sujai, while I agree that fanaticism these days is not confined to only one community, I think there are some differences between them that we should also acknowledge.

I think that the Hindu fanaticism which we see these days is largely reactionary and politically motivated. There is no such thing as blasphemy in Hinduism. For Hinduism doesn't have a central figure of authority like in most other religions. And there is no religion sanctioned punishment for blasphemy (in contrast to Islam).

It is no wonder that most of the high-profile self-professed atheists in India (like Pritish Nandy, Mukul Sharma, Jug Suraiya, and tons of others) are invariably Hindus. In fact, due to the very tolerance of Hindus, we have an active Rationalist Movement in Kerala. And Hindus can openly claim to be atheists in social circles throughout India without the threat of getting beaten up.

Contrast this with the situation in most countries which have a majority Muslim population. Even if the countries themselves don't have anti-blasphemy laws (which in itself would be a rarity), anyone who publicly claims he/she is a non-believer would get beaten up or even beheaded because some mosque would issue such a fatwa against him/her. I wonder if there can exist any rationalist society in Pakistan, for this very reason. Even in India, no Muslim public figure would dare to say something like that, because he/she would then have to undergo the fate of Taslima. And the Muslims, even if they are non-believers in their hearts, know this and therefore keep quiet.

Also througout ages, India has been accomodative of other religions. The Parsis who were kicked out of Iran because of Islamic fanatics there were welcomed by India and they continue to flourish here even today.

The events that have happened in Gujarat in recent times are politically motivated, and probably some kind of backlash. They don't stop the majority of us from doing our own business (including loudly proclaiming to be atheists).







#25
RazorBlade
August 11, 2007
03:59 AM

Ledzius...
I want to add to yor point that it is not only Parsis but also JEWS when their temples were perished in Isreal by Roman Empire.
So basically if we deny refugee to this lady then India have overturned her history since 2 AD !!

#26
temporal
URL
August 11, 2007
04:21 AM

my thoughts:

there is NO justification for the acts of MIM...whatever reason they or someone else proffers

our world is increasingly being hijacked by such hard line fringe groups

the remedy is tolerance and debate with the taslimas and their detractors...the one exception is when either of them resort to physical violence...NOBODY should be allowed to violate the laws...

#27
Atlantean
URL
August 11, 2007
04:22 AM

Well, what problem do Muslims have with Taslima Nasreen's writing? That she talks about how women are mistreated in Islam, how minorities are mistreated in Bangladesh. They think its all wrong. They obviously think Islam is a peaceful religion which treats women wonderfully. You just have to see the bouquets and chairs flung at Taslima Nasreen by MIM bigots to see how wonderfully Islamic society treats women!

Next time I want to show I respect a woman, I'll just throw a chair at her and feel good... and have Mr. Asaduddin Owaisi's good blessings :)

#28
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
04:22 AM

Ledzius:
I think there are some differences between them

Yes, there are. There are many differences between Brownshirts of Germany and Blackshirts of Italy. But then, in retrospect they are all fascist movements. We don't seem to differentiate one from the another (in retrospect). However, when those things were underway in those countries, most Brownshirts and their sympathizers believed they were completely and entirely different from Blackshirts of Italy- in ideology, in their passion for their movements, in their motives, etc.

I think that the Hindu fanaticism which we see these days is largely reactionary and politically motivated.

Is a 'reactionary' movement slightly better one compared to other kinds of fanaticism? What if one were to prove that the present Islamic antagonism originates from Post-WWI events, and therefore is a 'reactionary movement'? Would that somehow legitimize the Islamic fundamentalism?

Aren't MIM actions 'politically' motivated? Is a politically motivated action slightly better than other actions?

Before we start preaching to other religions on how they need to accommodate their own critics, we need to set some examples. I don't see many such examples.

I condemn this particular incident that happened with Taslima. Its a shame and a disgrace. However, none of us raised a protest when the book detailing riots of 1984 was banned by the Government. Is it the 'kind of action' that outrages us or the blind irrationality that motivates those actions? How come so many Hindus, even the educated and elite, actually supported and rationalized the vandalism against MF Husain's paintings terming them a 'natural outburst'?

We need to condemn all such actions, when it comes from a Sikh, or a Hindu, or a Muslim, with the same vigor. We don't seem to do that. We seem to sit back and rationalize some of them 'as reactionary', somehow making them look better!

#29
Deepti Lamba
URL
August 11, 2007
07:34 AM

Hello Deepti, No I don't think they will go that far for sharia, they are okay with a little bit of Sharia.

Irfan, that sentence sounds similar to being a little pregnant. There can be no 'little', its an all the way kind of thing.

Sujai, you just proved my point- knowledge does not bring wisdom in its trails;)And yeah I agree with you we all (even those in the West) need to grow thicker hides;)

#30
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
09:18 AM

Irfan:
These little rationalizations of irrationalities spell the doom for all of us. If ever there is a even a little room of rationality in this country its because of its diversity. If this nation were overwhelmingly Muslim, Sharia would have been implemented in much larger doses affecting (negatively) all of us.

What applies to Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians in India, applies to Muslims as well.

When educated people condone certain irrational acts, either under the name of Islam or any other blind belief, we set precedents for much larger actions in the name of that belief.

How will your sisters react when excommunicated from all public places in the name of Islam as done under Taliban? When they support these little incidents, they are giving power to such elements who would eventually impose radicalized versions onto these supporters.

In one of the earlier articles on Desicritics, titled India Curbs Freedom of Expression, I urged each of us to oppose all such acts.

I see dangerous trends coming from different parts of India. As a first step, only selected few will be targeted - those who criticize, enjoy artistic freedoms, call spade a spade, will be attacked for their liberal views, for their expressions of art, and for their individuality. But once that is done, they will come back for the rest of us.

The goons and activists are entering the political body of India while their silent sympathizers provide the necessary support. These little demons that we are nurturing and abetting now will come back to haunt us as evil giants, who will take away all our enshrined freedoms which come so dear to us. When they do come back as grown up usurpers of freedoms, they will affect our mainstream life affecting each of us, including the silent sympathizers, not just that single artist who painted erotic art.

#31
Irfan
August 11, 2007
09:31 AM



Hi Sujai and Deepti: Ok agreed by your thoughts, but as a Muslim I cannot criticize Shariah.

#32
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
09:33 AM

#17, Atlantean:
Well, what problem do Muslims have with Taslima Nasreen's writing?

The same problem Indians have when an artist paints their gods in nude (even though their gods were depicted nude from time immemorial in temples).

The same problem Sikhs have when one Dera chief dresses up as one of their saints.

'Our sentiments are hurt by the works of others' seem to be the prevailing disease in India.

(Which even you seem to suffer from when it comes your objects of reverence such as your nation or your religion.)

#33
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
09:38 AM

#31, Irfan:

but as a Muslim I cannot criticize Shariah.

Sorry about that.

I am glad I can criticize almost anything, which I do almost mercilessly! :-)

As a Muslim, you cannot do lot of things. But you still do, don't you? You give yourself a rationale or you interpret Koran according to your likes when you do those things.

Learn about those Muslims who have created their own interpretations of Islam and have led their societies to give better amenities to their people. You may find inspiration from such societies who have remained Muslim but have been able to get away from the clutches of narrow interpretations of Koran.

#34
Atlantean
URL
August 11, 2007
10:01 AM

Sujai,

(Which even you seem to suffer from when it comes your objects of reverence such as your nation or your religion.)

Woah! Where did you pull out that from! I am the last person in the world who would throw chairs at persons whom I disagree with or rationalise any such act by others or file a complaint with the police against MF Hussain. Can you come up with any example where I did something like that? Your accusation is almost slanderous.

#35
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
11:02 AM

#34, Atlantean:

I was NOT referring to 'throwing chairs', but I was talking about 'sentiments getting hurt by work of others'.

Anyway, if you didn't like that, I take it back!

#36
FF
August 11, 2007
11:10 AM

[EDITED - IRRELEVANT DEVIATION FROM CORE ISSUE]

#37
FF
August 11, 2007
11:30 AM

That was not "DEVIATION FROM CORE ISSUE".

I have not read "Taslima Nasreen" but who knows if the book she has written represents opinions subscribed to by Deepti in 10.

#10 indicated that the book seems to be highlighting surrounding issues and if people have opinions about those issues it is valid to raise them on this platform.

The editor would not have edited 36 if he was not a liberal extremist. We always criticize religious extremists, but how frequently do we criticize liberal extremists.

#38
Aditi Nadkarni
URL
August 11, 2007
12:02 PM

It is an unfair battle...the pen and the sword.

Just look at the picture, the attackers look like such fools.

You don't like an author's views, don't read the book...but for god's sake, don't pick up a chair!! How somebody else's ideas, thinking, views or writing can hurt another person's right to follow a faith, I have never quite understood.

The Hindu moral police are no less. Showing up to destroy paintings at a private university exam. Unemployed dumbasses with nothing better to do with their time.

Attacks on freedom of speech have been justified by the whole "religion" argument but I don't know how it is any different from justifying terrorism. This IS a form of terrorism!!

I try to imagine their pysche: do they lie awake in bed going "I can't let this happen, I cannot let that Nasreen woman write something about MY religion...I will go there tommorow (since I don't have anything better to do) and I will hurl furniture at her. That'll teach her to keep her mouth shut and stop writing".

Is this how they think?!!!

Every once in a while, we have an author, an artist, a sculptor, a poet being attacked by violent protestors and then one can always find a few educated people, sitting at home watching this and actually justifying violence in the name of religion.

And we like to call ourselves a democracy.


#39
Deepti Lamba
URL
August 11, 2007
12:16 PM

Rule of the mob you mean?;) Remember they made Aristotle drink hemlock

#40
Amrita
URL
August 11, 2007
12:17 PM

Hey everybody, thanks for reading... hope you're following the updates, which are absolutely ridiculous!

Deepa: It's definitely making the news more often and giving a platform to all the attention whores.

Historian: I dont think Deepa means this is a new phenom, just that more and more people seem to have figured out that violence will draw them the kind of attention that peaceful protest won't.

Tanay: crap is right. There's no logic however

Kumar: Someone on my blog told me that the MIM were the local goons in Hyd with a dedicated following, so no, this doesnt surprise me.

Temp: for you, nothing but cushions and bouquets! :P

Pramod - what can Ansari do?

Irfan - those MLAs swore an oath on the name of Allah that they would uphold the responsibilities of their office to the best of their ability. What does Sharia say about taking false oaths in the name of God?

Ledzious - so going by your logic, the VHP and the Bajrang Dal represent the vast majority of Hindus? Hmmm.

Sujai - I absolutely agree with you about the rise of fanaticism and the legitimacy that we're increasingly bestowing upon it. But I didnt exactly understand what rahu kaal has to do with anything. It's like pointing to an educated Muslim and saying, look he prays 5 times a day.

Prasun - I'll have to look up those people. I hadnt heard of Owaisi before this so I don't know about his image prior to this.

Razorblade & Ledzius - The Jew and parsi thing is a good point.

Atlantean - Maybe the MIM was rather liberally translating "brickbats"? I dont know who that guy on the extreme right is in the pic but he's pure comic gold!

#41
FF
August 11, 2007
12:56 PM

It is an unfortunate climax of the social revolution that possessing scientific temperament and open attitude towards life has become slave to the demands of radical feminism (which 'Taslima Nasreen' proudly subscribes to on her web site).

People who have sympathy to 'Taslima Nasreen' are also the ones who have sympathy for radical feminism. How sad that the concerns for 'Taslima Nasreen' the radical feminist outweighs the concern about assault on freedom of speech.

The most naive among them would quickly retort by claiming/ extending their sympathies for "Chandra Mohan", forgetting in their wave of passion that, while the former could be justified (at least theoretically) on the ground of very private manifestation of ones fantasies(thoughts), the later is probably a public display of assertions which may or may not stand the test of truth and time.


While it will be inappropriate to condone violence(as many behind the curtains do) and while it is perfectly valid to expect a person who can use pen to object to what others have written only in form of pen. How do you expect a common man (who has scant access to electronic/print media) to express his anguish at blatant lies being unquestionably propagated in the society in the name of freedom of speech. How does he defend or express his remorse at the very attack on his belief system which is solely based on bunch of eloquently woven lies?


Apathy of the situation can be gauged from the fact that anything that does not support populist feminist rant will automatically be sidelined as retrograde.

The DC bunch, rather than discussing the content, merits and facts of the book, is instead discussing mindsets of those who are merely objecting to the contents of the book. What if the book from Indian point of view is indeed a bunch of lies and fiction colased into one? What if the book is totally irrelevant to current Indian context?

Is not it more important to know if the book is another feminists propaganda or that there is some substance to it?

Is not it important to know whether the book is truly relevant in Indian context or is it just a mere hype by radical feminists.

#42
smallsquirrel
August 11, 2007
01:22 PM

I think what confuses me most is that I read in the papers and see on TV where the average person on the streets here is asked about the incident and they say "Oh, I believe in freedom of speech. But you shouldn't say anything about someone's religion."

Well then what the hell is freedom of speech?

I just do not understand this "hurting religious sentiments" stuff. Sometimes life hurts my religious sentiments. Do I get to throw shit at someone about it?!?!?!??!?!?

#43
Aaman
URL
August 11, 2007
01:25 PM

Even if the book is utter pulchritude, there's still no reason to hurl pots and resort to violence - write your own book in response.

#44
Aaman
URL
August 11, 2007
01:25 PM

Even if the book is utter pulchritude, there's still no reason to hurl pots and resort to violence - write your own book in response. Or write an article (for Desicritics;) )

#45
Aditi Nadkarni
URL
August 11, 2007
01:33 PM

We could talk about dog poop in our backyard and feminists will somehow have something to do with it. It is astonishing really!

How come everything boils down to radical feminism?

No matter what the fck is being discussed, some stray thread is tied into radical feminism.

#46
Amrita
URL
August 11, 2007
02:06 PM

Aditi - this is why I don't feed the trolls :)

#47
FF
August 11, 2007
02:08 PM

Aditi, Do not issue wild statements.

In case you do not know...

1. 'Taslima Nasreen' is a radical feminists(She claims herself to be one on her web site, the link to which is provided in the post).

2. Comment in 10 by Deepti was also on the lines of such thoughts on women victim-hood to which i objected, But for some vague reasons editors thought they had not put their editing capabilities to use for long.

3. The book "probably" is also a by-product of a radical feminist think-tank.


4. Lastly, I(though unfitting) share your concern...The most worrying aspect is that no matter what the context is and what the topic is every women feels so proud(leaves no stone unturned) in describing how in every field and in every action, women are being maltreated at the hands of men. What are they trying to tell this world? Please try and accept that if there is something women are not happy about, the reasons could be internal to women too. Every woman on road seems to be shouting aloud, "If it was not for you men, We would have created a habitat on MARS". WTF?

#48
Atlantean
URL
August 11, 2007
02:08 PM

How do you expect a common man (who has scant access to electronic/print media) to express his anguish at blatant lies being unquestionably propagated in the society in the name of freedom of speech.

Numerous ways.

He can take a chair and bang it against the wall.
Pick up a big iron rod, run around the house and smash everything.
Shout curses and abuses.
Speak to your wife, husband, father, mother, brother, sister, uncle, friend and express your anguish.
Bang your head on the desk repeatedly.
Make an effigy representing the source of your anguish, pour kerosene, light it up and keep thrashing it.
If you still cant bear it, tie a rope around your neck and hang from the ceiling fan. That's the best relief you can get, I assure you, from the anguish.

You do whatever you want to yourself and your property. Express! Express all your feelings in ways defined and decided solely by you in your own property.

But no sir, you have absolutely no business entering someone's private property and doing all sorts of things - taking bouquets, chairs and hurling them towards someone. You are nobody to get inside a university, hold people by their collar, wag your finger and instruct people on what s/he should or should not paint.

There are many ways in which you can express your anguish but please dont hurt people.

(Here "you" = "common man"; a mobster.)

#49
FF
August 11, 2007
02:34 PM

Atlantean...

Firstly, I admit no one has no business venturing into someone's private life and property.

However, what if the pours garbage the environment you live in. Every person has the right to make mess of his own house but not beyond that and that is where my objection lies.

It is not that I think religions are static or do not need reforms or changes, but that the only way to reform religion is to learn it, be part of it and contribute to it while you are part of it.

If you are talking explicitly w.r.t Blasphemy, then my opinion is that Blasphemy denounces a religion and degrades it rather than reforming it. No religion is absolute junk as to be followed by crores of its followers. There are always pockets which can be addresses and corrected and many a times the correction happens naturally.

If somebody indeed thinks a religion is as useless as to be discarded in whole or has a radically different view of religion, why does not he go and setup his own cult/organization instead of demonizing existing beliefs and faiths of thousands and lacs of followers. Given that, I in no uncertain terms respect the right of a person to practice a religion of his choice irrespective of what he was born into, why do you think this setup should have any problem with anybody.

Last but not the least, absence of religion is the line of thinking that I disagree with. The law enforcement and religion play equal roles in shaping our social lives and actions and neither can be denounced in favor of other.

#50
Aditi Nadkarni
URL
August 11, 2007
02:44 PM

#46 Amrita: My bad! :)

#48 Atlantean: Well said! :D

"If you still cant bear it, tie a rope around your neck and hang from the ceiling fan."

Hehehe.

#51
A.K.Rathor
August 11, 2007
03:00 PM

If u just concentrate on the photograph, it looks to me every one is happy and involved merely in a Hizra (eunuch's) Hai Hai dance.

Taslima -- Islam ki Dushman...Hai Hai!!!
MIM Ko Vote Chahiye...Hai Hai!!!

#52
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
04:00 PM

#41, FF:

While it will be inappropriate to condone violence(as many behind the curtains do) and while it is perfectly valid to expect a person who can use pen to object to what others have written only in form of pen. How do you expect a common man (who has scant access to electronic/print media) to express his anguish at blatant lies being unquestionably propagated in the society in the name of freedom of speech. How does he defend or express his remorse at the very attack on his belief system which is solely based on bunch of eloquently woven lies?

We need to educate people on how to vent their disapproval, disappointment, anger and anguish.

I was talking to a wise Turk in his 60s. He said, 'In those days, in Turkey, if one disagreed with the other, the only way to deal with it was to kill the other. What we owe to the Englishman is that he taught us to say to each other, "We agree to disagree"'.

When blatant lies are spread about one's religion, one can go about correcting them. If the other person uses a book to spread those lies, you can also write another book to correct them. If indeed those lies can be combated in a court, you can take the author to the court.

There are civil ways to deal with a disagreement. Ransacking and attacking the proceedings is not considered civil.

A common man who has scant access to electronics media or books WOULD NOT have known that lies are being spread in the form of a book in the first place, unless someone educated him. That common man should ask the person who educated him to use that electronic media or a book to correct the lies, NOT take up arms to go bash up the person who wrote that book.

The law of the land should come to the defense of the victim from such attacks; and should convict the perpetrators.

This country has consistently turned a blind eye to such attacks and in some cases has colluded with such attackers. And therefore, it has not set the right examples.

#53
FF
August 11, 2007
04:05 PM

Sujai...I agree.

#54
Sujai
URL
August 11, 2007
04:08 PM

#41, FF:

The DC bunch, rather than discussing the content, merits and facts of the book, is instead discussing mindsets of those who are merely objecting to the contents of the book.

FF, you can write a review of that book here on DC and we will all be very glad to discuss the 'content, merits and the facts of the book'.

Amrita has written this article 'how Taslima got attacked'. Hence we are discussing that topic.

What if the book from Indian point of view is indeed a bunch of lies and fiction colased into one? What if the book is totally irrelevant to current Indian context?

Then, I will NOT BUY that book. I will NOT support the author by buying that book. That's how I will express my disapproval. If I want to go a step further, I will write a blog against the contents of that book. And if I am little better at it, I will even publish my review in a popular magazine exhorting people NOT to waste their money.

Is not it more important to know if the book is another feminists propaganda or that there is some substance to it?

NOPE. Not really!
What is important to me is whether a person was allowed to express her 'lies' and her 'feminist propaganda'.

THAT is more important to me than knowing if it is indeed a lie or a propaganda.

#55
FF
August 11, 2007
04:30 PM

What is important to me is whether a person was allowed to express her 'lies' and her 'feminist propaganda'.

THAT is more important to me than knowing if it is indeed a lie or a propaganda.


I agree that it is a scenario of perfectly functioning democracy where law is supreme and law is one which governs actions and penalties. That is why I said it is perfectly valid to expect
a educated person(many of those who attacked were educated) to behave in a democratic manner within the means of constitution.

However India's is a sham democracy. People do not expect justice to be delivered let alone be delivered in time. So many of them choose shortcuts which through illegal and unlawful, serves their immediate purpose. I again admit that it is incorrect in principle as it promotes lawlessness but may be that is what happens in practice. I hope things will improve for better as we grow as a society.

BTW, I think Justice is more fundamental than say freedom is expression in any society, not that one is substitute of another.

#56
Sahani
August 11, 2007
04:43 PM



Hi Everyone,
In th Tasleema Nasreen case, now she is booked by Hyderabad police for hurting the religious sentiments,and create ill-feeling among communities, the complaint was filed none other than by Akbaruddin Owaisi.

The writer has been booked under IPC Section 153 (A) (promoting enmity between different groups on grounds of religion, race, language etc) on a complaint registered by MIM legislator Akbaruddin Owaisi, police said on Saturday.

Incidentally Owais also saind that Tasleema will be killed next time she comes to Hyderabad, the police is still investigating this comments, though this comments he expressed publicly.

#57
temporal
URL
August 11, 2007
04:53 PM

re: exchnage between irfan and sujai:

sharia is a way of devising laws for muslims...it is based on qur'an, sunnah (the actions of the prophet), hadith (the oral traditions and sayings of the prophet...later codified) and ijma (consensus - tracing its origin in the prophet's saying 'My community will never agree upon an error')...and qiyas (analogical reasoning)

all together, an aalim (learned one) can use ijtihad (same root as jihad!...meaning arriving at an independent interpretaion taking into consideration all above sources of law, to proffer a legal decision affecting muslims)...ijtihad is the right tool to fight hardline intrepretations like those of wahabi influenced ones...also, keep this in mind please...ijtihad is also a mechanism to keep up with changing times:)

to emphatically insist that sharia cannot be touched is an alien assumption and irfan is out of his league here:)

****

some more thoughts on rushdi wannabees...(taslima, wafa, aayan hirsa, manji, mr. rajkotwala etc.)
their scholarship is shallow and limited...they play the gallery...and love being attention-whore or attention-gigolo for islamophobes

apolgise for this harsh asessment

****

one final thought:
there are over one billion muslims and over five billion non-muslims who are experts on islam
:)

#58
Anti_Nasreen
August 11, 2007
04:59 PM


Hello folks,
Why are we wasting our time for this stupid writer called Tasleema Nasreen, she just want fame and fortune and hmmm by discussing her we are providing that.
She is nothing but a fame seeker, sometimes she play the role of Anti_Muslim, sometimes a hardcore feminist.
Look her at her couplets.

He wants my body under his control
so that if he wishes he can spit in my face. . .
so that if he wishes he can rob me of my clothes. . .
so that if he wishes he can slash my thigh with a dagger. . .
so that if he wishes he can string me up and hang me. .


What does that show, I suppose the lady did not get laid, she hates everybody.

#59
True Hyderabadi
August 11, 2007
05:26 PM

Breaking News !!
I just called my Hyderabadi friend and the Telugu transalation of this Taslima Nasreen's book is all sold out in Hyderabad. He shopped all book stores and finally got one and he is planning to read this week-end.
I have to remind he is not a very great reader of books and esp Telugu books.

Finally is it win for MIM or Taslema Nasreen?

#60
Hyderabadi
August 11, 2007
05:33 PM

Hi True Hyderabadi,
He shopped all book stores and finally got one

Actually your friend had difficulty finding a book since no mainstream book outlets were willing to keep Tasleemas book, your friend may have found that in Chor-Bazar.

#61
Jay
August 11, 2007
05:33 PM

#58: No, it shows that the lady can write something at least but you, sadly, cannot interpret most of anything...except whatever little that supports your screwed up agendas.

#62
Hyderabadi
August 11, 2007
05:34 PM

Hi True Hyderabadi,
He shopped all book stores and finally got one

Actually your friend had difficulty finding a book since no mainstream book outlets were willing to keep Tasleemas book, your friend may have found that in Chor-Bazar.

#63
Hyderabadi
August 11, 2007
05:36 PM

Hi True Hyderabadi,
He shopped all book stores and finally got one

Actually your friend had difficulty finding a book since no mainstream book outlets were willing to keep Tasleemas book, your friend may have found that in Chor-Bazar.

#64
Jay
August 11, 2007
05:43 PM

No, it is actually true that bookstores and other resources have quite a high demand for the book after this incident.

Posting your comment thrice won't change that. MIM has inadvertently aided Nasreen. And that was DUMB.

#65
Hyderabadi
August 11, 2007
05:50 PM

hello jay,
It was a technical mistake, that posted the comments thrice, not me.
Oh so do you mean , that Tasleemas book is sold-out because of this incident. Exactly, these writers have nothing in their mind, they take up a hot issue and success is automatic.

#66
Jay
August 11, 2007
06:00 PM

At least they do something with their limited skills....some people either know how to fling furniture and create an empty ruckus or type out empty criticism on online forums without ever having read one of the said author's books!!!!

Wonder who has less sense!

#67
Hyderabadi
August 11, 2007
06:23 PM

Well Jay:
Its actually happy ending, Taslima able to sell her ill-ideas, and MIM got support of masses for next election.

#68
A. S. Mathew
August 11, 2007
08:18 PM

Attacks undertaken by the M.L.A. at Taslima Nasreen is an irony. If these street roughnecks
are the elected body of people to rule the citizens, they are in great danger. When criticims comes against any highly orthodox religion, the critic has to face unexpected blows
from the radical elements of that religion. But there is no justifiction in any manner for this
kind of hooliganism. As a Christian, I have the
right to criticize unChristian formalities in
Christianity, but I will not dare to criticize another religion. Taslima Nasreen, as a Muslim, has all the right to unearth any mistreatment of women because God has created both men and women
equally.

#69
Bakhtiar
URL
August 11, 2007
09:42 PM

#29
Deepti Lamba:
"that sentence sounds similar to being a little pregnant. There can be no 'little', its an all the way kind of thing."
Deepti, you are trying to digitize the issue, its either "1" or "0". Its not compulsory for any muslim to follow shariah particularly if they are not in an Islamic state. In India people follow shariah according to their convenience ,liking or out of faith, some men grow beards and some donot, some women practice purdah and some not. A woman can be a muslim even if she doesnot wear a burqah or practice shariah perfectly :ex: Benazir Bhutto of neighbouring Pakistan. Being an Indian Muslim woman is more beneficiary as it allows one to enjoy the benefits of being an Indian and a Muslim(where there are more rights for a woman than any other religion). So I believe what Irfan's sisters said was perfectly right as they have the liberty of choosing the best from the shariah and the Indian constitution.


The whole issue is totally political, the MIM is loosing grounds in its major holds. Its trying its to best to garner votes to its account. They needed some spice which could add up and attract the publix attention. As the author had said that she never knew what was MIM (now she knows what it is) and moreover because of the media their publicity is following an exponential curve, they just achieved what they wanted in a very short time.

#70
Jay
August 11, 2007
10:28 PM

Fame versus Notoriety.

Mahatma Gandhi is famous, Osama Bin Laden is notorious.

It doesn't matter if the MIM achieved some cheap public attention. They will be remembered (for about a month or less) for having attacked an author...it doesn't matter if she was female, it doesn't matter if she was a feminist, it doesn't matter if she is a bad writer or a good writer, it doesn't matter if she was insulting a religion or not.

The fact remains:

*that she did not use violence and they did ( and no matter how much you try to compare "propoganda" to what they did, it doesn't work)

*that a handful of cowardly men who were self-declared protectors of Islam came into a reading and hurled furniture at an author,

*that these men did not use civilized form of critique, not even arguments or verbal abuse (which ALSO would've been objectionable) but actual violence to silence the voice of an author.

This is how they will be and should be remembered. And those who are educated, civilized and decent among us will NOT condone such protests irrespective of our religion.

You want to protest against blasphemy do it in a manner that doesn't top the offense you are protesting.

People who support this form of violence are unconsciously trying to justify their own acts of violence (e.g Siffers)

#71
Hyderabadi
August 12, 2007
12:52 AM


Hi If anybody abroad like to watch the attack on Taslima, can do so on Youtube.

Its unfortunate that old man took the attacks.
Wrong target MIM folks.

#72
Aaman
URL
August 12, 2007
02:28 AM

Just to let people know - we're having problems with comments and the front page not rebuilding fine - the comments are being saved ok, so just ignore the warnings that get displayed.

#73
Shuuro
URL
August 12, 2007
04:09 AM

Amrita Rajan,

Sambhaji Brigade is not a hindu organization to elevate hindu pride!.

#74
Icarus
URL
August 12, 2007
02:04 PM

As long as the Muslims do not start attacking non-Muslims, we should just stand back and watch the fun. After all, that's one religion with its own laws which are quite different from the laws of the nation. Go on guys, behead Taslima Nasreen, stone Salman Rushdie! I am pretty sure the Prophet would surely approve of it. After all, he had done some jihad himself.

#75
Sonal Panse
URL
August 12, 2007
02:37 PM

#54 Sujai

What if the book from Indian point of view is indeed a bunch of lies and fiction colased into one? What if the book is totally irrelevant to current Indian context?

Then, I will NOT BUY that book. I will NOT support the author by buying that book. That's how I will express my disapproval. If I want to go a step further, I will write a blog against the contents of that book. And if I am little better at it, I will even publish my review in a popular magazine exhorting people NOT to waste their money.


Uhm, you will surely BORROW the book from the library, a literary chum or from some other source, I suppose?

I mean you gotta READ IT first, don't you, to know if it actually IS a "a bunch of lies and fiction" to be able to express your disapproval, right?

Never take another person's word for it - that's how the mobs get started.

And especially view reviews with suspicion. Different degrees of "sensitivity" and all. ;-)

Some of us throw chairs. Some of us just remark "Bullshit", chuck the book and that's the end of it. And that's why we never get no publicity. Poop rarely makes the headlines unless it's thrown at the author.

Or unless a lady columnist refuses to pick up after her pooches on Marine Drive. But I'm rambling....

-------

Good article, Amrita.

#76
razorMirage
August 12, 2007
02:42 PM

==> Icarus
I 100% accept with you. This issue is btw a Muslim woman who had problems with Islam and with Islam fundamentalists.
These fundamentalists are clever to pull topics like M.F. Hussian, Modi, Tagadia and try to deviate the topic.Offensive is best form of defense
If you think it makes sense.
Why can't every one understand.

#77
Sujai
URL
August 13, 2007
01:34 AM

#75,
But I'm rambling....

I could figure that out :)

Add your comment

(Or ping: http://desicritics.org/tb/5974)

Personal attacks are not allowed. Please read our comment policy.






Remember Name/URL?

Please preview your comment!