Tamil Actor Prashanth Stands Against a False Case of Section 498a

Excellent article Sumanth.

I really feel for Prasanth.

Do keep us updated on where this case is going, if you can.

I dont think 498a will be amended. If our politicians amend it, they'll be called "anti-women." Who wants to lose votes from half of India's population?

Complete Interview of Prashanth (in English) is on its way from SIF-Times.

I also know that Section 498a will not be amended as present Govt wants support from feminist lobbies.

But, Prashanth will not be the last celebrity to get victimised under this law. It took just 10 days to create massive awareness in entire State of Tamilnadu. As celebrities like Prashanth come out in open, the hardlined feminists occupying positions in NCW will start losing their ground.

We got more than 40 calls in the evening of the press conference as the newspapers published the helpline number.

We will take on the Govt with our own media, our own print newspapers and our own political party. Ideally Govt should come out with a white paper on "Marital Problems" in stead of promoting marital discord with misinformation, intolerance, consumerism and bad laws.

The gender politics will certainly backfire on ruling party just the way religious vote banks and caste vote banks wiped it out in several key states.

It is a grave mistake on part of ruling party to divide people on the basis of gender. Even now, it has not learnt its lessons from 50 years of history.

Once Govt passes lope-sided "workplace harassment law", people will start getting victimised in corpoarates as well. That will contribute to further backlash.

We have clearly observed that slowly radical feminists are losing their space in Indian Media (both print and visual).

Very soon, SIFF will start offering counselling for women as well and that way it will cut supplies to radical feminist organisations who put women on warpath with misleading information when there is a marital discord.

With more than 5000 members from top sections of society, it will not be difficult for SIFF and its partners to completely take over some smaller feminist organisations in various cities as the only thing they crave is funds.

Prashanth's wife and her family got anticipatory bails fearing arrests.

Sumanth, thanks for posting this timely news, we need to garner more public awareness against this law and though I feel bad for the trauma Prashanth must have gone through but the legal victimization of a celebrity by itself will generate widespread debate on 498a.

And more power to your budding group in Chennai:)

Thanks Deepti.

Most of the homework for Prashanth is done by his family members.

Thanks for the nice article Sumanth.

My sincere appreciation to Actor Prashanth and the SIFF team

Every Husband who has some money, a little respect in society and is law abiding, is considered a target by feminists these days.

Un scrupulous women are turning homes into hell. File a false 498a case and ask for a ransom seems to be the order of the day

It is sad that the Govt. is un willing to change the law.

More than 2000 such cases are filed in Chennai alone. When the DV act was published the Chennai HC was full of DV act copies and every advocate was carrying one. Three or four publishers rushed in prints !! Neither the constitution of India nor Ramayan or Bible or Quran see such sales these days

While we hope Prashant gets respite, we also wish other cases, without dramatic proof, are also provided relief against

- elder abuse including arrest of elders

- sibling abuse including arrest or un married brothers and sisters

- SOWRY - son's property being taken away as ransom by the woman filing false 498a

- Quicker decisions on matrimonial cases (1000s are pending in the three family courts at chennai and numerous other courts at Tamil Nadu and elsewhere in India)

- Making 498a bailable and NON COGNIZABLE



Regards
vinayak

Great Article Sumanth !!!

Hats of to SIFF and Prasanth for bringing this form of Legal Terrorism open in Media.

To me the Feminist Lobby which purposely makes this kind of law is far more dangerous than the girls and their family who misuse the law.

The sad part though is in future, we may get this law amended in such a way that misusers are punished on the same line but there is absolutely no way we can make these home breaker and blood sucker F Lobby accountable for the damage they have done or are doing.

The question remains as to when such a law is purposely made with full of loop-holes which gets passed unanimously in parliament without much discussion and dually gets signed by President, and in just 3 months of its implementation (DV act) is termed by our SC as loosely drafted law which if followed literally may bring social chaos in the country, then how can we make those morons accountable who made/passes/signed it?

Same is true for 498A which is termed as 'Legal Terrorism' by SC!!!

superb article by you.Physical methods such as gheraos and slogan shouting in front of these criminals houses should be considered.

Excellent work and Kudos to the Save Indian Family team. More such efforts should be taken up across the country.

I really liked the way this article is written up, like a journalistic chronicle...kept me rooted till the end. It is so surprising that this guy inspite of being a celebrity had to go through so much. I felt especially bad for the babby born during all of this though, wonder who'll get custody and what'll happen to the lil one.

On this note, I had a question for you guys that I had plannned on asking for a while but just didn't find the chance: If the Indian Parliament takes on the task of amending the section 498A so that it cannot be abused, in what ways can this ammendment be made such that neither party is able to use it to their advantage: families who are in fact guilty of torturing a bride or women who are using the section to put innocent families in prison? What is the middle ground? I was thinking about this matter in terms of the legalities and didn't really know how the law could be amended without one party being put to severe disadvantage. If one of you guys could take the trouble of explaining a probable legal solution in terms of ammendments possible, I'd appreciate it. This I ask only out of curiosity.

Thanks.

My proposed solution (obviously with certain limitations) is available at

http://desicritics.org/2006/09/13/113244.php.

Hi

People in Govt. and in Police should understand this and should take investigating actions on their behalf before arresting and blackmailing. My wife's paternal niece is a DSP in Chennai City Police and her maternal uncle is a IAS. They are using this as a weapon to bring me to my knees and they are getting away with it. Unless Govt. interevenes comes out with strict policies.... I don't see any future. This is going to destroy the pillar of marriage in india.

God Save India.

Jai Hind.

Aditi,

You asked some important questions regarding how to make laws effective.

Laws for any crime should ideally be like steps (just similar to driving license laws in different countries). Every law should have range for its intensity (from mild to severe). Imagine medicine for a disease which often range from mild to high dosage.

The present law created in 1983 is a high dosage law. Imagine, a person come to you with a small swelling on his stomach and you prescribe a chemo.

People in media and activists falsely assume that a severe dosage of law will cure a evil (disease). They fail to see that the high dosage can deter many people and often high dosage will have its severe side-effects.

So, here are methods by which the law can be made effective.

1) Make it bailable and compoundable. That is a person can get bail without an argument in the court.

2) Make it non-cognisable. That is, police will require evidence and some investigation to make arrests.

3) Punishment under section 211 (law against malicious prosecution) of Indian penal code to people who misuse the law.

4) appoint dowry prohibition officers at each district or block level.

5) Make laws gender neutral. Replace the words wife/husband with spouse.

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Justice Malimath (former chief justice of Karnataka and Kerala High courts) headed a panel for reforms in Indian Criminal Justice system and recommended this law to be made bailable and compoundable.

But, human rights lobbies and also Amnesty International(AI) vehemently opposed Malimath Committee recommendations in 2004 and they wanted the laws to be made even more stringent. It sounds very ironical as AI is in favour of arrests of innocents. We did not get any support from any human rights organisation till now.

If 498a is made bailable, the feminist lobbies in media, in literature and in human rights organisations will raise a hue and cry. That can very well make the ruling party lose a portion of women's votes.

So, none of the political parties including BJP want to take a official stand on this law. We have met many leaders from these parties and they do not want to take chance of amending this law.

So, the ball comes back to media, feminists and human rights organisations, who support this draconian law at present.

Please note, media neglected this issue completely for years because of "political correctness".

References:

(Please see the language of feminism is used alongwith a lot of lies, false statistics and one-sided social research to justify this law)

http://www.countercurrents.org/gender-hrf171103.htm


These articles are by feminists written long before SIFF was formed. Our requests to these organisations fell to deaf ears.

We do not think Section 498a will ever get amended. Its the era of radical feminism, huge alimonies and gender vote banks. If parliament had any inclination to amend this draconian law, then they would not have passed a highly one-sided biased and equally draconian domestic violence law.

When Harayana Chief Minister Bhupinder Hooda and Union Minister Dasari Narayana Rao have suffered from this law and yet it was not amended, you can imagine how strong the lobbies are.

Try amending 498a, lobbies will raise a hue and cry that there is rampant female foeticide due to dowry demands and govt is weakening the anti-dowry law in stead of strengthening it. This story will go within minutes to thousands of media channels within minutes. Left led by Prakash Karat and his feminist wife Brinda Karat withdraws the support and the UPA Govt will fall within hours.

Brinda Karat's sister's husband Pranoy Roy of NDTV will then do the exit polls and show how women's votes changed all arithmetics.

The Misuse of 498a, DV law will never end. In US, the misuse of VAWA and Workplace harassment laws is rampant.

There is no light at the end of the tunnel. In US, VAWA is not amended even though it is very well known that women misuse it. UN, UNICEF, AI do not want Section 498a to be amended. Now, you can guess why I wrote that article against UNICEF India chief Cecilio Adorna who was accused of rape. I wanted to give him his own medicine.

There will not be any end to false statistics and lies in media to support women's causes. Because, it is a global phenomenon. It will not go away in a year or two. It will take at least a decade to undo the damage caused in the world.


There is only one way out:
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People lose faith on democracy, parliament, law and take law into their hands. Maoists are already doing it in many places all over India.

Finally, men can not do much about amendment of these laws. It is the women, who can prevail upon the radical feminist clerics and their preachings.

http://www.indiatogether.org/2004/mar/law-sect498a.htm

Renuka video

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/act-wont-hit-good-hubbies-renuka/26051-3-p1.html

Now, you can guess why I wrote that article against UNICEF India chief Cecilio Adorna who was accused of rape. I wanted to give him his own medicine. # 12

So....that was your point. You wanted him to give him a taste of your own medicine. Which means you think that Archana Pandey is a phony and has made false allegations against him? Gosh you suck, leave the lady alone. You had your personal agenda and vendetta against UNICEF and you also used her story to suit your selfish needs. It does not take you second to shamelessly ride on a woman back who is already suffering and has her own battles to fight.

Aaman,
This is really is pathetic. Once an SIF always an SIF. Once a woman hater always a woman hater. Once a beater always a beater. No SIF guy is innocent or cares about saving Indian families. It is pretty apparent they have their own self centered needs to cater to their male egos. The so called title of ..saveindianfamily... is also a hoax. a camouflage only to attract attention so that their needs are met.

Who wrote this survivor guide ?
http://ipc498a.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/a-survivors-guide-to-498a/

Yikes Sumanth you are so damn wretched ! I knew you had an ulterior motive behind writing the UNICEF article because it was so darn hard to digest that you were supporting a woman who was accusing the UNICEF chief of rape. I knew all along that you had some screwed up intention behind those concerns for the victim Archana.

It is a disgrace that the unicef article is still on coz you are the author of it . I am sure that the offensive comments that are written on victim Archana on the UNICEF article suspecting her and trying to break her spirit are no one else but written by the clones of SIF only and yourself including coz you are also nothing but a clone of SIF.

I will make sure in this life time you never achieve your final goal--come what may.

Great article! You are doing a great service to humanity (including both genders). When laws are misused, both men and women suffer.
You have also done a great service by exposing the UNICEF scandal. Let me assure all the readers, the case against Cecil Adorna is infinitely stronger compared to the thousands of the false cases filed by "unscrupulous" women throughout the country. As to "women hater", "women beater" cliches, pleeeaaaase! they have become too worn out to be any effective. No SIFFer is a woman hater - I can assure you of that. Hate the sin, not the sinner.

The Laws Of Gorky ! ( senior SIF activist)

1) Women must not be imprisoned even if they kill. They need to be put in reformation homes.
2) As soon as a woman marries, she must get 50% rights onto husband's property.

3) Large scale single parenting by woman must be encouraged with maintenance provided by husband. Research shows that children who are not allowed to see their fathers after divorce for years grow up very healthy. In India, Gender Sensitive judges must allow the women to decide whether she allows the father to see the child after divorce or not.

4) Any violence committed by woman against others (including murder) must be considered as done in self-defense.
5) The disparity between life expectancy rate difference between men and women need to be brought to the levels of that of developed countries. In India, women live 2.4 years more than men on an average. This difference in life expectancy has to be brought to the levels in US and Europe where women live 7 years more than men on an average.

6) If a man cancels the engagement, he needs to be punished with imprison up to 5 months. If a woman cancels engagement, she must be compensated with 30% of man's annual income.
7) Any woman who commits suicide within 7 years of marriage, a dowry harassment or other harassment case against the husband to be put by default. He must be imprisoned for 1 year for not taking care of his wife.

8 ) If a woman complains of domestic violence, the man must be imprisoned immediately and only a court can grant bail. All the joint bank accounts must be frozen. Woman has to right to stay in the matrimonial home (husband's house), till she gets divorce. If the woman has an adulterous relation, till it is proved (beyond doubt), the husband must allow her to live in his house or must provide alternate accommodation. The typical example for benchmark is the case in movie "Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam". Husband is also expected to help the women achieve her adulterous goals. If he cannot directly help, then he must provide one third of his salary towards the wife till she marries her boy friend.

9) A man must do half of household work even if his wife is not earning.

10) After marriage, a man must not stay with his parents or allow his parents to stay prolonged period with him. He must allow his in-laws to stay in his house for the same amount of time his parents stay in his house. If he violates these rights of the woman, he can be

Imprisoned for not taking equal care of his in-laws.

11) If in-laws of a man "feel" their daughter and they are not properly treated, the man should be thoroughly counselled. If he does not mend his ways, stringent laws be made (even provision for lashing) for rectifying him.

12) The ratio of male: female suicide rates in India to be brought to the levels in west. In India, 50%(about 25000) more men commit suicide than women. This is much lower than the western standards where about 150% more men commit suicide than women.

13) The richer and the more educated the men are, the more should be pressure on them. They should provide the wife with a lifestyle equivalent to their status and they must also spend quality time with family.

14) Women in rural India and poor women suffer due to ignorance and they cannot afford legal help. So, the legal provisions must be used only in urban India. The rural women must be discouraged from approaching police or courts, as they cannot afford to pay bribes. The rural women (women in villages) must be empowered with better employment and they must be counseled to live healthy life in traditional family system and respect the decisions of family elders. This way, it can be shown that laws on women's rights are UNDERUSED. That will help the urban women to MISUSE the law and file false complaints. That will give good business to Feminist lawyers and Human Rights lawyers and provide good bribes to the police. Of course, the booty is ultimately settled between police and Women organizations. The extortion for a Techie goes upto 1 lac and for NRI it goes upto 4 lacs. If the techie does not pay up, the NGO must send the police to harass his landlord, friends and boss in workplace.

15) The rural women do not suffer from domestic violence. Hence domestic violence laws must be used more stringently in urban India only.

16) Men had much better life than women since ages. Men fought wars and always had good food in plundered lands when their women remained in hunger.

17) 25% of software engineers are women, so does 50% of medical students. The men whom these women marry must get bigger salaries than these women and must have higher social status than these talented women. Women must always marry up.

18) Men who do not like their wives wearing revealing clothes (including low-jeans) are old fashioned. In stead of divorcing them, their wives must use threat of section 498a (anti-dowry laws) to get the old parents of the man imprisoned, so that men can be counseled to change and learn tolerance.

19) Designers who plan to design revealing clothes for men must be banned for spreading vulgarity. Wearing revealing clothes is a right solely meant for women.

20) All judges who do not follow gender sensitivity and give judgments against women, must lose their right to pension.

21) Crime Against Women (CAW) cells must counsel the men such that men realize that if they do not bend, then their parents, sisters even grandparents can be imprisoned and tortured. CAW cells must also counsel the men not to commit suicide by telling them in detail various methods of committing suicide. Men committing suicide must always be listed as suicide due to financial reason even if he commits suicide arranging dowry for his daughter.

22) As prevalent in Govt. services, any man accused of harassment against his wife, must be fired from job. Special camps must be set up by govt. in each state for these men to reform. Only hard work can make them learn patience and considerate behaviors. "Work Brings Freedom", "Arbeit Macht Frei". Their property must be confiscated by the state and donated to the NGOs working hand-in-hand with sincere police and benevolent lawyers for betterment of women.

23) Many human rights organizations have created examples of gender sensitivity by championing against giving bail to innocent old and sick in-laws of women who complain of mistreatment. In fact, to eradicate dowry evil in India, these old and sick people must be imprisoned without investigation so that their sons can learn lessons for not caring the sincere and wise advice of their wives and in-laws.

Even "Amnesty International" has opposed bail to sick and infirm in-laws of a woman as suggested by a gender insensitive former high court judge. 25000 women dying of dowry is a much bigger problem than only 10000 parents of men falsely getting jailed. Only a handful of

old in-laws of the woman have committed suicide due to false dowry cases than the number of women dying in dowry problem. Of course, who know better about "prisoners of conscience" than Amnesty International.

24) Human rights organizations have gone a long way fighting against POTA and TADA. Because even terrorists have the right to international law. Dowry evil is much bigger than terrorism. The number of women getting killed by dowry is much more than the number of people killed by terrorists. So, Human Rights Organizations must campaign for continuation of present laws where the old parents of NRIs and Techies are jailed with just one line of complaint from their daughter-in-law. Even if the complaint is false, arrest of old parents of the man sends a clear message to the society, which oppressed women since ages.

25) Recently, many human rights activists protested against the judge who gave a order criticizing imprisonment of 3-year old girl child who spent 3 days in Tihar jail with her whole family (facing dowry harassment charges). This kind of organizations needs generous donations by the people who want to change the world.

26) The fight for women's rights will never end. So, lets campaign for the people in this world to donate for this great cause. After all, woman's development is human's development.

27) Many NGOs in India and abroad have collected millions of dollars for causes of women. Because woman's development is human's development and women's rights are human rights. Because of their dedicated actions in bringing in funds has helped in arresting so many sick and old people in false dowry harassment cases in urban India. Many of these old in-laws of women have committed suicide out of shame when their daughter-in-law got a bargaining position by filing false dowry cases against them. Because of these generous funds donated by many benevolent people in US, these people can commit suicide. Otherwise, these old people are just a social nuisance. What can be a greater social service than to eradicate social nuisance and create social justice.

28) Recently, an old couple were arrested in Kerala and transported like animals to Delhi on train to face charges of dowry harassment. Even though they never stayed with their daughter-in-law, but it gives a clear signal to the society that its time the dowry be eradicated. Please donate to all the NGOs and human rights organizations generously. Research shows that when more and more women live as single parents, that children become healthy. Children of single mothers in US have become great scientists, researchers and social reformers. The same needs to be emulated in India so that India can develop.

29) Many NRIs have donated generously for the foreign visits of women's rights activists. These activists are responsible for bringing patriarchy in India to its knees by championing in favor of detention of all people including old and minors against whom a woman complains of dowry harassment. Of course, it does not matter even if the in-laws never even stayed with the woman and the case she filed is false. What is important is the social deterrent it creates. India Today reports 55% of divorce cases filed last year has women as primary petitioners. This must increase to 75% in next few years. The more the divorces and single parenting in india, the earlier we will achieve gender equality. Indians living in US, who run NGOs and donate to NGOs are as truthful as their own President and propaganda based media. Their perceptions are also as accurate as perceptions of an average American. They also want to change and improve the world just the way US is improving the world. God will certainly give them and their children long happy life. After all, changing the world by funding extremist feminists, which leads to arrests "without investigation" of old and infirm is indeed a noble act. Finally, Karma will give us what we give to others. As sick and old who can not walk properly make rounds in court, God will bless us all for standing for fighting against patriarchy and conducting garrulous arguments with rigid mindsets brainwashed by media in stead of seeing the subtleties in social issues. Since ages, we know reductionism (cutting, solving and pasting) solved all great problems!!
Those innocent people who got jailed, whose innocent parents died due to legal terrorism, whose innocent sister can not be married because of multiple criminal lawsuits against her, have got nothing more to lose. Today, they take time out of their "multiple court cases" to help and advise those are abused but not yet 498aed. But, they will do everything to bring to book all those people who have lied or are lying all along.

30) Hate women and show them what they really are.That is nothing without men.


Accidents can happen to anyone. 498a also happens to anyone (including feminists, gender sensitivities people, male feminists, judges, police officials, politicians, actors, techies). There were 50,700 cases of 498a with every case has an average 4 people accused. Judges tell that one in six case is genuine. Even in the study done by Feminist NGO csrindia.org 10% women admitted to filing false cases. How many more are there who did not admit? Regarding CSRINDIA, "We can always ask a wolf to tell how many lambs it has eaten." Even six percent comes out to be 3000 cases (12000 innocent people) per year. www.csrindia.org campions for retaining 498a as it is (arrest of sisters, mothers, old/sick, children and men) without investigation).

The laws of Gorky can also be found here.
http://togetherweband.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/the-laws-of-maksim-gorky/

Facts that Sumanth conveniently ignored.................

Per the Andhravilas reportsAndhravilas reports,( http://andhravilas.com/movienews.asp?id=33611) the first husband of Grihalakshmi, -- "Venu Prasad to come to her house and ask her parents formally for her hand in marriage. Only then did he come to know that she was a very rich person. He thought it would be impossible to attain her, so he fell in love with a colleague Leela and married her 2 years back." (para 5)

1) So even Venu married his own colleague which is ILLEGAL.
Wasn't Leela kept in the dark too?
Is she not traumatized too?
Was she not cheated?
Is she not at the end of a raw deal?

2 )Also Prashanth is a famous south Indian actor. When he was getting married to Grihalaksmi in 2005 it was a big fat Indian wedding pictures splashed all over the media and internet.
Where was this mysterious caller who so mysteriously called Prashanth a few weeks back with the vital information?
Why did he not spill the beans on Grihalaksmi 2 years back?
Why did this mysterious caller wait for 2 years?

3) Grihalaksmi was very well aware that she was marrying a famous south Indian actor. Keeping her previous wedding a secret was a big risk and a risk she may not want to take and did not take ( after all there are many mysterious callers doing the rounds huh??)
** something that does not sound right , is not is never true***.
She was first married in 1998 ..that tooo for so many years. It would not have been rational for her to hide this fact. She ought to have told him this fact. She did tell him this.


I say she did disclose this fact to her current husband Prashanth . He was marrying a rich well to do girl.

Prashanth a famous sounth Indian actor could have married any other famous south Indian actress But no her married Grihalaksmi for reasons best known to him.

4) Per the article above "Narayanan Venu Prasad ( first husband) turned up at the All Women's Police Station in Mambalam" .
Is he not at risk of cheating and hiding the fact from his current wife Leela??
It seems like that his current wife Leela is well aware of this fact and also seems like he and Grihalaksmi both parted ways a few years back knowing fully well that they were married and not divorced and but did not care about it.

5) For a few minutes let us say assume that Prashanth indeed knew about his wife's past wedding. And now after all this chaos and dowry case...what does one expect Prashanth to do? Say that he knew about the past wedding. Obviously NOT! He will obviously deny it now. The reason---he wants to protect himself and his family and he will logically and obviously counter attack his wife too so that her case weakens and say that she hid this fact from him deliberately and cheated. Thus she will loose credibility and her case will seem false.

6)Also with this assumption that he knew about her past, it could also be that he instead blackmailed his wife for dowry knowing fully well that she had done something illegal and thus harassed her. Grihalaksmi being fed up with this torture and blackmail might have thus left him that too while she was pregnant.

7) Prashanth merely received an anonymous call and he was able to track down his wife's past, where she got married, to whom , which date, year and month etc etc. I How did he get the leads. There are a thousands of courts and lacs of people get married.

8) And hey even amongst bollywood, tollywood etc actors marrying multiple times without a divorce is a DONE thing ( though illiegal). Look at Dharmendra, Sridevi, Rekha, Boney Kapoor, Gemini Ganesan and many many more. How conveniently they have bypassed the laws?

I am not trying to defend Grihalaksmi but merely want to put across that I sense even Prashanth was well aware that he was marrying someone who was already married ( whatever his reasons were). Merely acting innocent now and claiming that his wife cheated on him does not imply that he has been implicated in a false dowry case. He tooo has been party to the illegal act being fully aware.

There is more to it than meets the eye.

Facts that Sumanth conveniently ignored.................

Per the Andhravilas reports ,( http://andhravilas.com/movienews.asp?id=33611) the first husband of Grihalakshmi, -- "Venu Prasad to come to her house and ask her parents formally for her hand in marriage. Only then did he come to know that she was a very rich person. He thought it would be impossible to attain her, so he fell in love with a colleague Leela and married her 2 years back." (para 5)

1) So even Venu married his own colleague which is ILLEGAL.
Wasn't Leela kept in the dark too?
Is she not traumatized too?
Was she not cheated?
Is she not at the end of a raw deal?

2 )Also Prashanth is a famous south Indian actor. When he was getting married to Grihalaksmi in 2005 it was a big fat Indian wedding pictures splashed all over the media and internet.
Where was this mysterious caller who so mysteriously called Prashanth a few weeks back with the vital information?
Why did he not spill the beans on Grihalaksmi 2 years back?
Why did this mysterious caller wait for 2 years?

3) Grihalaksmi was very well aware that she was marrying a famous south Indian actor. Keeping her previous wedding a secret was a big risk and a risk she may not want to take and did not take ( after all there are many mysterious callers doing the rounds huh??)
** something that does not sound right , is not is never true***.
She was first married in 1998 ..that tooo for so many years. It would not have been rational for her to hide this fact. She ought to have told him this fact. She did tell him this.


I say she did disclose this fact to her current husband Prashanth . He was marrying a rich well to do girl.

Prashanth a famous sounth Indian actor could have married any other famous south Indian actress But no her married Grihalaksmi for reasons best known to him.

4) Per the article above "Narayanan Venu Prasad ( first husband) turned up at the All Women's Police Station in Mambalam" .
Is he not at risk of cheating and hiding the fact from his current wife Leela??
It seems like that his current wife Leela is well aware of this fact and also seems like he and Grihalaksmi both parted ways a few years back knowing fully well that they were married and not divorced and but did not care about it.

5) For a few minutes let us say assume that Prashanth indeed knew about his wife's past wedding. And now after all this chaos and dowry case...what does one expect Prashanth to do? Say that he knew about the past wedding. Obviously NOT! He will obviously deny it now. The reason---he wants to protect himself and his family and he will logically and obviously counter attack his wife too so that her case weakens and say that she hid this fact from him deliberately and cheated. Thus she will loose credibility and her case will seem false.

6)Also with this assumption that he knew about her past, it could also be that he instead blackmailed his wife for dowry knowing fully well that she had done something illegal and thus harassed her. Grihalaksmi being fed up with this torture and blackmail might have thus left him that too while she was pregnant.

7) Prashanth merely received an anonymous call and he was able to track down his wife's past, where she got married, to whom , which date, year and month etc etc. I How did he get the leads. There are a thousands of courts and lacs of people get married.

8) And hey even amongst bollywood, tollywood etc actors marrying multiple times without a divorce is a DONE thing ( though illiegal). Look at Dharmendra, Sridevi, Rekha, Boney Kapoor, Gemini Ganesan and many many more. How conveniently they have bypassed the laws?

I am not trying to defend Grihalaksmi but merely want to put across that I sense even Prashanth was well aware that he was marrying someone who was already married ( whatever his reasons were). Merely acting innocent now and claiming that his wife cheated on him does not imply that he has been implicated in a false dowry case. He tooo has been party to the illegal act being fully aware.

There is more to it than meets the eye......

Observer, You have raised very valid legal and psychological points in detail.

I and other activists did ponder the points in similar lines. You can start another post on this so that we can discuss this in detail.

Please note, the detailed homework on legal points are a must when one goes to courts. When the real trial happens all these points and many more are asked by lawyers. It is an intricate game of chess.

You know, many of SIF members are devil's advocates whose only job is to pretend themselves to be the opposite side and argue.

At present, I can say that all the points you have mentioned have been considered by the concerned parties.

To Reader and Another Reader:
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Regarding my article on UNICEF chief being accused on rape, I sensed some gaps in Archana's story. I still do not have complete information and hence I can not conclude blindly. So, according to me, it is 70 to 30 in favour of Archana.

My real motive was to expose the double standards so far as behaviour of police, courts and Govt is concerned. In Archana's situation, the case was given special treatment and the police did virtually nothing.

Regarding UNICEF
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We know that many males who support 498a have skelletons in their cupboards. So, we hit them hard where it hurts them most.

In Archana's case, what did NCW (National Commission for Women) do? It did nothing. So, I had to expose the double standards.

I offered support from SIFF Delhi to Archana. Why will I do that if I do not feel that she is harmed in someway?

Regarding me being Wretched:
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I am a very small fish. There are big wretched sharks out there in the system.

Why should I follow morals and be a nice guy?

Nice guys get nothing done except pleasing people around them and making money through google adsense.

Lethal Cocktail with Section 498a
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1) The woman complains that all the Jewellery in the house (belonging to mother and sisters of husband) and most items in the house are part of her Streedhan. So, police ransacks the entire house, breaks lockers and seizes all household goods, packs them in a truck and takes to police station.

2) She makes additional accusations that her brother-in-law and father-in-law attempted to rape her. The judge will say, "bhabhi (sister-in-law) is like your mother and you tried to rape her" and he will reject the bails for both.

3) She makes allegation that she was harassed because she has a girl child.

4) Alongwith all that she calls local media which captures the whole arrests in their TV cameras or prints the story in front page.

5) If the guy in US in H1B, then police can be bribed to send an Interpol Arrest warning and then she goes to Media.

The family in such situation loses its respect in society and gets defamed completely.

Sumanth: I have a few questions:

What if allegations 1) 2) and 3) are really true. What if the jewellery belongs to her and not to the mother/ sisters of the husband? What if she is really being harassed? What if she was raped? How do you know what the truth is unless you were there? How does one know for sure what is true and which party to trust and if the allegations happen to be true then don't the perpetrators deserve the social defamation? Should lawmakers, police, judges etc wait for the woman to be burnt alive, murdered, raped in order to make their judgement?

True, some women use it for vested interests but is assuming that every woman is using false means to get money/ vengeance etc is a bit much.

Lets say the law decides to err on the side of the husband's family. They are granted bail and they go home. There they harass the girl or kill her, harass her family or try to cover up their doings, sell the jewllery, property, move, try to escape etc. Who is responsible and how does the law prevent this from happening?

Lastly, shouldn't the real fairness and justice be in siding with the truth and not just with men/ women? Maybe thats what being a "nice guy" is about and not about earning money thru google adsense :)

You ask "Why should I follow morals and be a nice guy?"

If you cannot do it why expect fraudulent women, lawmakers and other people to, right?

Prashant,

If the man is such a beast, then the solution is very simple. The woman has no compulsion to be with him. She won't die if she does so, nor the society would ostracise her if she does so.Her parents need to take charge and responsibility, if reqd. If they don't do that, dont blame the judge for granting the bail. Such husbands, don't hunt around searching for brides to burn.

Grant of bail doesn't mean, end of trial.

Also, bail is a right and jail is compulsion (Its a supreme court directive well in accordance with constitution of India).

India has a criminal justice system, which has to be equal to all irrespective of gender. Why should a woman be given a special privelege. She will have to go through the same process as all others.There are thousands of undertrials locked up in the jail and still waiting for the trial to be over. Quite a few would be acquitted, what would one say of those lost years and life...."Life is not fair".

Most importantly, there has to be investigation for everything to seek the truth.

Anon:

Would you say that society has treated women equally for all these past years to now suddenly take that route? Would you say women in rural areas of Inida are given same status as men?

Should the legal system put up its hands and tell women "Your parents are now responsible for taking care of you or the children resulting from this marriage. If something happens to you its their fault. India's law cannot help you abused women anymore, you just asked for trouble. The bride-burner didn't come looking for you, foolish woman. Your parents didn't do a better job of looking for a groom for you. It doesn't matter if for years women were treated unequally. We have now decided that its time to go the "equal" route...why you ask?, coz the Siffers say so. You have to wait for us to investigate everything and until then your abusers will be out on bail. In the process if you die well, good, once you are dead the problem's over, isn't it? Win win for all." Is that what you recommend? Please let me know, because I really want to know if this is your solution to 498A.

There are many other laws that are abused. Which other ones do you guys want ammended?

Prashant -
What kind of fallacious reasoning is that? When a person claims to be in danger, that person must be removed from the danger and provided protection. That is the first and universal duty of the society and the near and dear ones. Then you investigate the veracity of those claims and punish the guilty. You DO NOT lock up one citizen merely on the basis of an oral complaint of another citizen (who is free from any consequences for making such false allegations). That is called Fascism, and was thoroughly rejected by the history of human kind. Do not try in vain to resurrect the same using some flowery language.

Coming to the argument of historic wrongs against a section of the society - one historic wrong cannot be mended by another wrong. I belong to a community traditionally disadvntaged. But that doesnt give me a right to falsely accuse my high caste neighbor, neither such accusations give the right to any agency to go arrest the neighbor without investigation. Please do not try to defend the indefensible. The guilty must be punished, but the jurisprudence of all civilised societies places the burden of proving guilt on the accuser. Otherwise, it is not law but an instrument of extortion and blackmail.

Kris: I agree with you guys when you say that section 498A needs to be ammended. Several archaic laws need to be reformed. My response was to Anon's comment where he states the following:

"Her parents need to take charge and responsibility, if reqd. If they don't do that, dont blame the judge for granting the bail. Such husbands, don't hunt around searching for brides to burn"

Do you realize how that sounds? If her parents cannot protect her and she gets killed or hurt, well, its their fault. Does that sound fair to you? A woman's old parents providing her with security detail?

You said: "When a person claims to be in danger, that person must be removed from the danger and provided protection. "

So does that mean that if a woman who is truly in serious danger from being abused files a police complaint she should be taken into police protection and kept in a secure place until the trial takes place? Do you know what kind of a police force our country will require to provide protection to the numerous women who suffer abuse and file complaints?

I am from a legal background and although I too know the abuse of law that happens or can happen in Section 498A, as lawmakers and as law abiding citizens we should be aware that the legal system chooses to err on side of the victim, holding the assumption of guilt; it is not always the right way but think of the converse: if the guy is really guilty when do the police jump in? When the girl is harmed or murdered?

If the woman is proved wrong, a civil lawsuit of defamation can be filed by the family so why make such a big deal of the fact that they undergo public humiliation? A rape victim has to sit in court and answer horrendous interrogation about her private parts, her sexual encounters, and relive the horror while her rapist is out on bail and his defense lawyers are vilifying her character in a full court. The society declares the rape victim's life as ruined not the rapist's. Why don't you guys protest that? If abuse of law is so crucial to you why not protest against other laws too that are grossly abused? Why choose only section 498A?

When someone like Anon says something like "parents are responsible for her safety", what do you think people will conclude?

Do you guys think about this in terms of the women in the rural areas who really do go through torture for dowry? Just for a minute stop thinking as members of an organization and think as brothers, fathers, men, try for once to exclude your own experiences and find it in your hearts to put yourself in somebody else's shoes:

1) The dowry cases like all other cases go on for years together. What does the woman do till then? Who guarantees her safety for that period?

2) How does one prove years of physical and mental abuse? How will a woman provide evidence to a court of law? What about her public humiliation?

3) Have you ever burnt your tongue on some coffee or burnt a finger? Now imagine what it must feel like to burn to death. Several such cases came before the section 498A had to be established. It wasn't established without any reason.

Do you think of those families? Is it worse to spend a few nights in prison or to be burnt alive. Please tell me.

You said "Coming to the argument of historic wrongs against a section of the society - one historic wrong cannot be mended by another wrong. I belong to a community traditionally disadvntaged. But that doesnt give me a right to falsely accuse my high caste neighbor, neither such accusations give the right to any agency to go arrest the neighbor without investigation"

No, but there is an educational quota becoz of which you have reserved seats in colleges even now. Your neighbour doesnt treat you with any oppression today does he? So why the reserved quota? Have you protested that? I think not.

Justice is not selective. Guilty before being proved innocent has been the law for years. I still say that I agree with you guys that this section needs some changes but don't justify things like "her parents are responsible for her safety. if she's being abused, nobody asked her to stay. let her leave." How much do some of you know about Child Support Laws? In b/w this whole divorce, dowry law circus there are little kids whose parents are caught in a court battle. How many men in India are held accountable for paying money to the mother? Will this filmstar Prashant take care of his baby/ pay child support or does Grihalakshmi's guilt immediately free him from his duties as a father? How does her being married to somebody else prove that she wasnt being harassed by this actor and his family for dowry? I don't understand. None of these questions have been addressed.

I just want to know one thing: if in the process of preventing abuse of section 498A you guys deem guilty a woman who has really suffered abuse for years, will you be able to deal with your conscience?

Sumanth,

The points that I raised are nothing but common sense and one does not need to be an advocate' devil.

Prashanth knew about his wife's past that she was married and still moved ahead and probably used that as a point to harass wife that too when she was pregnant. When she dumped him ( the cat was out of the bag) he then obviously claims she cheated him.

If a famous actor like Prashanth has the audacity to do what he did, I can only imagine what a common man can put his wife through who may not have had a clean chit past. Past is past...and nothing else.

Sumanth, how do you know that Grihalakshmi's claim was false? Because Prashanth told you so? For all the people reading this article: please google this topic and the only posts that claim that Grihalakshmi's claim was false are by SIF groups. The only reason they have justifying their screwed logic is that Grihalakshmi had a previous marriage that she didn't have annulled before marrying Prashanth. These people don't know what the true reasons are and are involving themselves in an issue where they don't know the truth. They are making these claims only based on their own judgement and prejudice not by what went about in family court. Reports by other papers do NOT claim that either party was at fault or free of guilt.

Your name is Save Indian Family? How are you saving a family here? A child is now caught between a court war. You people took Prashanth to the press and you speak of people's public humiliation?!!! I am sure when that kid grows up, he/ she will appreciate your taking their parents' personal issues to the press and defaming their mother's character. Ironic isnt it?

Observer,
You are a [EDITED - TRY TO DEBATE WITHOUT RESORTING TO NAME-CALLING IF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOUR VIEWS].

#30 Prashant - Platitudes like "several archaic laws need to be reformed" do not serve any purpose. 498a is unlike any other law. It holds the accused guilty until proven innocent. This is a violation that squarely flies in the face of internationally recognized jurisprudence evolved over centuries. So, let us limit our focus to this one for now. You state - "as lawmakers and as law abiding citizens we should be aware that the legal system chooses to err on side of the victim, holding the assumption of guilt..."
Legal systems do not choose - they dispense justice impartially. Any law that intentionally "errs" on one side or the other, is not a just law. If you are advocating promulgation and continuation of such laws, I have no more to reason with you.
You write - "If the woman is proved wrong, a civil lawsuit of defamation can be filed by the family so why make such a big deal of the fact that they undergo public humiliation?". The sheer callousness of this statement itself gives the game away. Please understand the difference here - when a woman falsely involves a family in a 498a, she is deliberately invoking the full force of Criminal Justice System. This is a criminal complaint - and one that treats the accused guilty. What if the accused is already indigent and cannot afford a defense against the monstrous and corrupt state machine, he and his family are ruined. So, this is a big deal. This is a big deal because tax payer funded public prosecutors are fighting on behalf of the false accusers who are having petty marital disputes in their marriages. Such false accusers are wasting the precious time of the prosecution, the courts, and the police - all without any consequence to themselves. What civil lawsuits will right that?
I agree fully with Anon, when he/she says "her parents need to take charge". Why is it that we want to abandon our girl child as soon as she is married? Why is it that we look to the police and courts for every remedy in regards to our daughters? Whereas the natal family's responsibility doesn't end when a son is married, why does it end when a daughter is married? Why is it that the fathers of the girl children so reluctant to give equal share of their assets to their daughters as they do to their sons? Instead, the fathers and the brothers of the girl join the fray (in most cases they are the instigators) in fleecing the families of the boy married to the girl, using false criminal cases when the marriage sours for any reason.
If her parents or siblings cannot protect her, who will? Sure, the police arrests the in-laws and they come out on bail. If she is in mortal danger, she still needs to be protected, right? Where would she be going for her protection - if her own flesh and blood in her natal family disowns her?
These are all smokescreens - "women are burnt every day", "if she gets killed", "who will protect her", "what about the rural women" etc etc. These smokescreens have run their course. If you care to look, these laws are mostly used/abused by the educated, urban women and her families; and the vile lawyers who advise gullible women to use them - not the rural woman who wants to live in her family and her society in harmony.
Scholarly study after study proved that intimate partner violence is prevalent almost in equal proportions irrespective of the gender. If you care to look, there are several instances of women killing their partners either in person or through a proxy. The constant propaganda financed by the tax payer or charitable monies have conditioned us to think that only women are victims. When a woman kills a man in cold blood - society says she did it in self defense. When a married woman dies in an accident, people like you say, she was killed for dowry. When a married woman commits suicide, the whole family of the husband is incarcerated and they have to fight precious years of their lives to prove their innocence. When a married man commits suicide, unable to bear the harassment by his wife, one liner in a news paper reads "a man in mid thirties committed suicide due to financial problems." In fact the sympathy turns to the widow and the child left behind - not a drop of tear for the man who suffered harassment in the hands of his wife.
That is the mindset that SIF needs to fight. The law and the society need to recognize that women are human beings too and are liable to the same follies as any man. Women can commit crime, women cheat and lie, women can be unfaithful and unscrupulous. That is what is being a human is. Now, if Grihalakshmi is proven to be a criminal minded human and has committed crimes, she needs to be punished for those crimes. Look at yourself - you already talked about child support for the child of Prashant. But why didn't you ask about the custody of the child? Between Grihalakshmi and Prashant, who are both parents of that child, who would make a better parent. That is the question that needs to be asked. Not how much can be fleeced from actor Prashant (I mean the real Prashant) in the name of alimony or child support.

Child support goes to the child and is for the child solely. The question of fleecing does not even arise. Child needs to eat, drink and live everyday. No matter what transpired between parents, the non-custodian parent has to pay for the child.

How many SIF fathers pay for their child? The answer is NONE.

It is the custodian parent( in India to be understood as mother) solely brings up the child.

The father has fleeced with all the money and dowry money and never pays a dime.

Be aware in the next 10 years the Krishna would have killed the Kans. The Krishnas will teach their non-custodian parents (in india to be understood as father) a lesson of a lifetime. As you sow shall you reap....you guys have no idea the volcanoes that will erupt in 10 years or so.


And before you jump to false false sob sob story of dowry cases yada yada,-- Cant you fathers even get the custody of the child (after you prove that the case was false)...what happens? Also you guys manage to get a divorce first and run never to show your face again only to be discovered that you have re-married and don't even care to fight for custody. Also plz cut the crap of that strategy ....pretending not to care of the child so that the mother feels helpless. Because that is not the case.

Name one case where the case was proven false. Name one.

Ironically speaking the wife who filed the so called false dowry case in order to extract money ( as per you illogical theory) cares, nurtures and loves the child herself solely.

All of you SIF irresponsible fathers be aware..bad times lie ahead.

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Period.

#35 - I say - cut the crap of your generalizations. If there are fathers that are avoiding paying for their own children, I have nothing to do with them. If sif encourages such fathers, I have nothing to do with SIF. But at the same time, when you ask a non-custodial parent to pay up, or force him to pay up, he should also be given equal responsibility/opportunity/access in raising the child. You gloat - custodial parent solely brings up the child. That is because that is how you devised the system. All you women, who are alienating your children from their fathers deliberately - as you sow, so shall you reap.
The fleecing I mentioned is about those women who scream equality and opportunity and all that crap, but make rounds to the courts asking for lifelong alimony, for a marriage as short as a few months.

Let me clarify:

1) It is Prashanth's wife and her family who first went to media. Prashanth and his family faced severe media onslaught for months due to "political correctness". Still he and his family remained silent.

If the child's future is the issue then why the lady went to Media.

When it became unbearable for him, for his parents and sister, he came out with press conference.

Few comments above show society's inherent bias against males. Society expects men to be strong and protector and providers. Society judges men harshly.

2) One guy above claimed that women are burnt. Where is the data? Most of these people are brainwashed by media and have no data to back up their claims.

If a woman commits suicide, then it is dowry death and if man commits suicide then it is due to petty quarrel.

3) A man must not pay a single penny to for a child if he is not allowed to have visitation or custody rights (and if the woman has left).

If a man do not get to have the child for 2 days in a week, he must not pay for the child.

If a child belongs to the mother completely, then why should a a father pay?

Still, in India fathers get jailed if t
they do not pay maintenance for wife and children.

4) Someone claims Prashanth harassed his wife.

What is the evidence? What evidence the wife has presented to media?

(Prashanth's wife comes from a very rich family)


To the guy who claims himself to be from Legal background:
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Please do not preach us.

It is the lawyers who promote 498a. When a woman wants divorce and alimony, they tell her to file 498a. Many women filed 498a without even knowing what it is.

Then the lawyers (from both sides) pressurise the boy's family for a settlement. The lawyers often get 20% of the settlement amount.

Lawyers sell themselves. Shoot me in front of India Gate if I am lying.

These Blackcoats are must disgusting creatures in this country.

I pray for a day when no one marries the family members of these blackcoats.

I am sure that day will come.

There is no data which shows that there is rampant burning of women in this country. It is a major hoax. If anyone disgrees then show me a source where is this data is available.

Women drive men to suicide and they never get punished.

Laws have to be same irrespective of gender. There is no proof/evidence that women ever had more difficult time than men in the history of the world.


Data from NCRB in Year 2005

-----------Females--------Males

Suicides----40,998------1,13,994
Accidents---69,425------2,24,750
Murders------7,952--------26,467

Total-------1,18,375----3,65,211

How many people know that three times more men compared to women die due to these reasons? Men contribute to family and society by their life.

Many men take to crime just because they have to feed family.

It is the men who are unsympathetic to men as they see other men as competitors (for sex). So, they want to be as harsh as possible to men because they know when other men are eliminated, they will have better availability of females.

I have only onething to say to such men.
Please wait, the turn of you and your family (498a) will also come. If not today or tomorrow, it will come in a decade or two.

"Save Indian Family" is all about saving families from misery and not from divorce.

It is a patriarchal instinct for most men to be chivalrous and they feel, the men who do not protect and provide women are losers.

Legal guy of comment 30
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Where did you study law? Who gave you the degree?
Do not talk in air.

Defamation is not a civil case. It is under Section 500 of Indian Penal Code and hence a criminal offence.

It is very easy to say that men can file counter cases against women and her families if the dowry case is found false.

No court in India accepts a defamation case or perjury case against a unscrupulous woman who filed false cases. The judges dismiss such applications fearing "feminist and media backlash".

One SIF founder's wife was proven to be wrong beyond reasonable doubt by Bangalore High Court. Even after 2 years has not been able to file a criminal case of "Malicious Prosecution" under Section 211 of IPC.

Why? Because Indian courts never punish women, especially those who are in reproductive age group. They want men to settle down and marry another female and protect and provide her.

We are confident one day we will put that female and her family behind bars.

Often courts make sure to tone down the language against women when they find the case is false. So, it becomes difficult for men to file counter cases.

Indian Media and Politicians have created a massive hype on "Social Justice" in stead of Individual Justice.

Justice Must be Available to all Irrespective of Caste, Creed, Religion and Gender.

The laws must be designed such that justice is available for all.

Just because no one question the law which considers people "Guilty till proven innocent" for so many years, should we all keep tolerating this kind of non-sense?

It is falsely assumed that all girls are from weak families and all boys from strong and influential families.

In the end, men will stop marrying just like men in Germany or Taiwan. Women with their new found sexual freedom will prostitute themselves.

When females in Taiwan sleep with foreigners in one night stands, I am sure they do not ask any alimony.

More than 50% of people cohabit in many countries in Europe.

The guys who are so concerned about children have simply nothing to say when feminists kill unborn children (calling it pro-choice).

The more patriarchal a person is the more the person is obsessed with absurd convictions about weakness of women.

Such people can not never imagine women can ever be strong.

Finally,

It is patriarchy, which is fueling radical feminism and hatred. A patriarchal judge has much greater chance of denying a husband the visitation rights than a equity oriented judge.

The patriarchal persons (as some above) always feel that men should have sex and leave woman with children, give some money and detach oneself from children.

Here is a simple fact.

A woman who hates her husband or males (due to whatever genuine or false reason), will never be able to develop close bond with her male children.

Even if such a woman gets child custody of her male kids, these kids finally return to their fathers.

I have met quite some second generation children from India and West. These male children distanced themselves from their mothers (even though she cradled the rock) as they are just not capable of tolerating her abuse which emanated from her inherent hatred for masculinity.

Feminism does not address such circular issues and side-effects. Even after 30 years of the movement, it still sticks to alarmism, lies and false propaganda.

To guys who have such sympathy for female victims:

Please come forward and create helplines for victims of dowry harassment. We, the SIFF members will give you our hard earned money to maintain telephones and websites.

I want you do it now. There are enough laws. But, these laws are not reaching to people. You make them reach to people in your locality with pamphlets.

Are you guys ready?

Rajat Shamra of IndiaTV and SIFF members do sting operation to expose Doctors who create false injuries on girl's bodies and give false medical certificates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHPUHszGIKo

and many more videos.

Sumanth you said... If a man do not get to have the child for 2 days in a week, he must not pay for the child.

Thats what I am saying too...why the hell does the so called victim father not fight for the rights. He has to get the order from the court for child visitation which is so simple. And there is NO COURT in India that refuses this.

If you expect mother to just give the child away for visitation with no court order( more so over when legl separation has happened) it is no possible.

If the mother (as per your theory) files for child support coz she is greedy eetc etc then BINGO, that very time the father should file for visitation rights and the matter will settle. But do you know why this does not happen?
Coz the father skirts the issue of child support and we all have proof of that and he is a hurry to get the divorce first and remarry.

I also know many many many children who hate the mention of their father. By the time the kids are 20-25 the father's colorful life is over and he wants his kids, at that time he is all alone with no one.

Sumanth

And the SIF founder guy you talk above, he tooo is more interested in filing counter cases rather than child custody. Correct? His child is being fed, loved , nurtured , cared for the mother and her parents every single day. If the mother hates the father,that is obvious.

If he was found innocent, then no court in India can refuse him child visitation rights or possibly full custody. What has he done to achieve this. Nothing. And also in India the welfare of the child is seen first and foremost and laws support that.

In fact we have been informed that he even refused to pay for the child's surgery a few years back because he thinks that the mother provided him with an incorrect figure. What a petty thing to do. Now few years down the line he has not paid a dime NOR made any inclination to see his child.

Sumanth

You talk about dowry lines,I had called you too when I was harrassed by my ex after I saw one of your helpline numbers on the internet.

To cut the whole story short....

But you suspected tht I was lying and much to my dismay you have given solace to my ex who is not innocent. He hides behind you all and gloats about that too...

After all according to you all women who take legal recourse are 498 ***** arent they?

#46 - 498a is not a legal recourse, but legal terrorism. 498a is a tool of blackmail, and will remain so until it is amended suitably. And those who use this tool deserve all round condemnation of the society. All responsible citizens should work towards increasing the awareness among general populace about the abuse of 498a.

Any law in India should be made considering all [billions].

Lets discuss it from the perspective of women who are genuine victims ...

1> Do we have enough stringent laws for protecting Women?
2> If Yes, then why it's not successful in curbing the crime?
3> If No, then is making more new stringent laws will solve this problem?

To me, we have enough stringent laws for protecting women but then where do we lack?
We lack in its implementation.

We Indians are always laughed about not planning before executing.

Example - DV act states that all the states will have POs[Protection Officers?] who will be qualified enough and act as an initial gate for DV complains.
The act got implemented without ensuring even that.
In all most all of the states Police are directly acting in confusion and making arrests on the same line as 498A. Now states are raising their hands that they do not have enough man power for POs, when the law is all ready implemented.
Was this done hurriedly or was it a calculative move for allowing the misuse while eyeing the women vote bank?

Failure of the overall system to implement existing laws can not be overcome by making new and more stringent laws.

These new laws are eating a lot of innocent families [side effect of the law] through its LEGAL MISUSE !!!

So what's the solution?

1> The women activists, who break chairs in the AC rooms on public money, should go to rural areas and make the families sensitive about girl education.
2> The Police and Judiciary should not be too sensitive to one Gender and have to impart their duty professionally. This is Govt. and Court's Job. Police and Judges should also be made accountable for deliberately favoring one gender and biased judgments.
3> People [Husband and their Family here] should not be arrested before investigation and should get regular bail. If in trial they are proven wrong, they will definitely get the punishment. This is where the true victims will get justice.
4> And finally, the act should be modified to include same punishment for the opposite party if its proven that they have misused the courts time, energy and resources with a false case. Because if the number of false cases reduces, the court's time will be used in dealing with genuine cases and these cases can reach to their conclusion only in a years instead of a decade.


Can't we modify and manage our laws in such a way that it serves its purpose and at the same time does not allow it to be misused. I know it's possible but do our law makers have the will power and intention to do that?

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Prashant,

I gave you the solution, you twisted it, I can't help it.

Imagine the solution:

The judge sees no evidence of torture, but still denies the bail to the husband and his family, because he has been fed by mischief mongers, as all others have been, that she would be burnt alive if he doesn't do so.

The husband and his family rot in jail. The wife lives in her matrimonial home. Husbands loses job, there is no source of income.

There are kids to feed. The wife applies for maintenance, it gets dismissed because husband is in jail and has no source of income.But, she still stays in her matirmonial home, because, her parents refuse to take charge, as the burden of responsibility would shift on them. How can they let this happen afer all what are courts for, its their responsibity now.

They have married the daughter, the job is done. It was a bad marriage, so what. The husband and his family are in jail, right things been done. Daughter has no source of income, she will manage somehow. They have given enough dowry, she can sell them off.Its not their responsibility now.

Has the situation of wife improved? Yes, as you say she cannot be burnt alive now. The life can move on now, justice has been served. Let her commit suicide, die of starvation, beg, borrow or steal.
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Prashant, my simple point was, in a bad marriage the parents have to take charge. That is the only solution. The parents who think that after marrying thier daughter they are absolved of all responsibilities and the woman is compelled to live in her matrimonial home, only because she cannot go to her parental home, they should be the first one to be jailed without any bail.

Prashant,

We SIFFERS won't tolerate jailing of innocent people just because some people, at some other place, at some other time, feel/felt that their daughter is/was a burden to them, it is/was better for her to die and than take charge of her.

sumanth

I believer your friend akka sif founder is well to do and rich and working and has sane mind and in all circumstances capable of taking care of the child...so what is stopping him to do so?

Oh i get it, it will be an expense for him right?

And Mr Kris or whoever you are...what is your problem. 498 is legal terrorism, what BS is that? Then all men who demand big weddings and come on a horse demanding dowry must be thrown in jails with no trail.

All IRRESPONSIBLE men who evade child support and do not bother to file for full custody or visitation must be condemned by the society and must be thrown in dungeons withe other likewise men so that they can never reproduce.

All the women who refuse to work and support children should be jailed.

Once you take the gaurdianship of the child you better work and support the child. The women who wants addional financial support and payment for looking after a child should be be incarcerated.

All women who file false cases hsould be thrown to jail without tril .

Even in a post about a purported victory for men's rights, you folks devolve into generalized name-calling, etc., basically closing out all other conversation.

#53 ragini: could you tell us how many children after a divorce are handed over to their fathers? How many Indian men take care of their children like a mother should: change diapers, feed them, wake up in the middle of the night, look after their needs, give them a bath, cook for them, run to a doctor if they are sick? So the least a guy could do out of decency is offer financial support to a woman who is going to raise his child, something that a full time nanny would do for half his salary, right? Are men who refuse and evade child support jailed? Do you know? They are not. A woman with a child to raise is left to fend for herself, her chances of getting remarried are less because men dont want to raise someone else's child. Even in Prashanth's case, he is a celebrity, Grihalakshmi is not. In terms of just being a woman in an Indian society, she is now a single mother whose name was tarnished by Prashanth and his SIFFER company in newspapers, whose life will dissolve into the background even as Prashanth jumps on this publicity brigade which will work in favor of his career. Her child will be raised by her and her parents while Prashanth and his Siffer friends have quite carefully condemned her to a life of bad reputation without any solid proof just based on a hunch and an un-annulled previous marriage. Will the Siffers make sure that Prashanth pays child support? I dont think so. They think that if a woman can conceive a child, give brith to a child then she should bear all responsibility, emotional, financial, etc. No court should hold a man responsible for anything he ever does. We will only know the after effects of this Siffer intervention when 20 years have passed and this child has grown enough to provide society with his own perspective on the matter on who was there for him as a parent. But until then Siffers will have no interest in this matter. They will have satisfied their own need in protesting a law that according to them is being abused by all women...not some, but ALL. Such impartial prejudice has been, still is and will always be the death of justice in India. Protesting feminism on an online site is what they consider their fight against injustice. One doesnt know whether to laugh at their presumptious self-importance or dismiss their overzealous attempts at doing something they very obviously are NOT doing: Saving Indian Families. According to them Family does not mean Man, Woman, Children: it means a guy and his old parents. They are trying to save these people from being falsely accused in dowry cases without first establishing whether the claim is false or not.

This story is not about victory of any men's rights.

Is Prashanth's mother a Man?

Is Prashanth's sister a Man?

This is just an article which brings some aspects of a issue. The court has not put anyone behind bars. So, where is the question of victory?


Regarding Child Visitation to a father:

Indian Courts take 6 months to 5 years to give a visitation order. Do you know what kind of orders are they?

The judge orders:

1) Go to woman's street wait near the park. The female will bring the child for 1 hour and meet the child there from 3:00pm to 4:00pm every Saturday.

The woman can always move to a different city with the child. She can also move to another country. She can also put all kinds of allegations.

If she has influence, she can easily put charges that the father tried to kidnap the child. It takes another 4 years to decide if the charges are true and the father loses the 1 hour visitation.

The Patriarchal judiciary considers father who care for their children as mad people. It wonders why the hell the man does not want to move on with his life by marrying another woman and having more children. While media harps on involvement of fathers with children, the fathers are caught between devil and deep sea. If they get emotionally connected with their small children, they can be tormented by deprieving seeing the child.

My observation has been that women also poison the child's mind without understanding its long term impact. The child is trained, "You are father is a thief. Your father took away the best toys."

Wherever, the father gets visitation and partial custody, the father pays maintenance.

In one SIFF member's case, his wife left the 1 year old girl child and went to her parent's place.

If husband has to pay for child when child is solely with mother, then in this case should not the woman pay maintenance to the child when child is solely with father?

It is the father who is caring for and nurturing the girl. More than 4 years are over and the girl is now 5.

It is pathetic when people make lame excuses to support laws which presume people guilty till proven innocent.

I know it hurts when one sees the social support to unscrupulous people sinking fast. Who will marry these unscrupulous women once the whole country knows about this massive scam?

There are more than 166 female children arrested in dowry cases in year 2005. I am not saying this. National Crime Bureau is saying this.

So, is jailing of female children a victory for women?

Sumanth from # 37

It is Prashanth's wife and her family who first went to media

The lady--Grihalaksmi has great nerve to go to press, holds media conferences despite the fact from her past. The fact that she fearlessly made it public about the harassment it all the more it proves that Prashanth knew about her past and had made peace with it/accepted it while marrying her. Why? Because he had other plans--which I will tell you in a bit.

If the child's future is the issue then why the lady went to Media.

What has this got to do with the child's future? Per Grihalaksmi who accused him of dowry harassment he was the initiator first for harassing her despite of a child -that too a male one 

When it became unbearable for him, for his parents and sister, he came out with press conference.

His plan -was to accept her with her past and later blackmail her. He taunted her day and night about her past. When she refused to comply anymore or endure the torture after the birth of a child, she put her foot down. With her holding press conferences exposing him he realised the cat was out of the bag so now.... he decided to act innocent and attack her with cheating as a counter allegation so that her case weakens Nice plan but failed to garner any support.

I feel bad for Grihalaksmi because first she married down.. real down ( per Sumanths suggestion) and that man left her because she was rich.
Then Grihalaksmi married at par with someone but that guy -Prashanth had other cunning plans which also backfired and left both of them with nothing. Her with her child and he will a dowry case.

To figure this out one does not have to be a devils advocate etc or smart. It is not rocket science. It is plain common sense. Saying that there are gaps in this story is like doubting if Amitabh ever had an affair with Rekha.

Happy Sunday!

AnotherObserver,

Do not accuse without knowing facts.

You are of patriarchal mindset and hence you assume that only women are capable of nurturing the children.

If a man has deserted his wife and children. They that man must pay for maintenance for the child and woman.

But, will you agree for the same if a woman deserts her husband and child.

Do you know story of Actor Nagarjuna, his son and his first wife? Do you know who left the child with father?

Men who are widowed bring up their children alone.

If a woman has deserted a man and do not want the father to see the child ever, then the man must not pay till he sees the child. SIFF supports only this category of fathers.

SIFF wants laws to be applicable equally to all. People who demand sowry (reverse dowry) are never punished. So, we consider the dowry laws to be invalid for all.

Many females want lifestyle to be paid by husband. They want their in-law's property. But, they do not want men to even visit their parents.

A man must not protect and provide for women and children who are taken away from him.

A man can pay for a child only if the child is ready to look after the father in his old age and ready to give maintenance to the old father.

Indian courts even today order maintenance to women (who have no children), who desert their husbands. Why?

Why? Because women sold her virginity to her husband when she got married. So maintenance is only for that virginity.

But, courts also order men to pay maintenance (even when marriage is just for a month) even when the women had married 2 times earlier.

What kind of bullshit is that?

It is not just enough. Now, feminists want inherited property of the husband to be given to the wife.

What kind of crap is that?

Will the feminists agree for the reverse? ie. Inherited property of a woman is given to her husband if there is a divorce.

All the illogical arguments of yours will fall in gutter if you apply rules of "reversibility" and "equality".

Reverse every situation and see.
Put equality to every situation and then conclude.

Indian Courts take 6 months to 5 years to give a visitation order. Do you know what kind of orders are they?

So also it takes 15 years to book someone in dowry harrassment that too only in lower court, or to gain any alimony or child support.

Where is the question of extortion then either for alimony or child support or anything else?

The child would have already turned 18 and would by then care 2 hoots about the dimes thrown by his biological father.

Where there is a will , there is a way. How many SIF fathers have even filed an application. 1 , 2 or 3 ha. Why? They fear lest their application may get cleared first in court, then they cannot re-marry because the second wife will have a huge huge objection sharing the money with the child from the first marriage on a monthly basis.

Matter of factly speaking most fathers who are in SIF do not want to do anything with their child or dont even make a meagre attempt. They are advised by their peers to move on , remarry and make more children. That is fun huh and easier and a pleasure ..what say :)

But, will you agree for the same if a woman deserts her husband and child.

YES I WILL AGREE. If a woman has left her husband and child, then she must pay no matter what.

NOW you answer me

How many SIF fathers have even filed an application. 1 , 2 or 3 ha. Why? They fear lest their application may get cleared first in court, then they cannot re-marry because the second wife will have a huge huge objection sharing the money with the child from the first marriage on a monthly basis.

Do you want proof? what kind, audio or emails?

Reader,

You can allege anything without basis. You can always create imaginary situations like a lawyer.

You claimed that Prashanth harassed her for dowry. OK. Fine.

Then it is up to the court to decide.

Now give me an argument that Prashanth's sister also harassed his wife for dowry.

Now, reverse the situation.

Say, Prashanth's wife harassed Prashanth for Sowry (reverse dowry).

What do you suggest for her?

I hope, you have a sane logical mind to answer this.

(It is a patriachal instinct to support women blindly because they produce babies.)

Prashanth's wife harassed Prashanth for Sowry (reverse dowry).

I thought she was a rich lady coming from a well to one. Did she not "marry down" first? So why will she ask for sowry?

And my dear Sumanth...Prashanth will first have to prove his innocence, once done, then he can counter allege with defamation of character and what have you....

Women alone cannot alone produce babies...what are you saying. Cool down....relax...Men have an equal contribution in it.

You are falling out of arguments and reasoning?

Another reason why Siffers are advised not to claim FULL custody of children because that is an hindrance to them in their second marriage. Got it?


This is your logic.

Do you want written proof?

They are more interested in a divorce only..once done...they are on a run to remarry the very next day. They never file child custody or for that matter bother to pay child support.
Do you want proof of this?

Okie dokie Sumanth

Now read again the laws of Gorky maksim(above)..that will help to go back into the past and past writtings.

Awwwwwwwww happy Sunday.

I am sure your mom will make you some hot cup of coffee and you can enjoy the rest of the day!

Reader,

You agreed that women must pay to man if they desert the husband and kids.

Your person opinion does not matter as Indian courts do not follow your guidelines.

What do you know about SIFF and SIFF members?

90% of SIFF members are pre-498a stage. That is, they do not have any case of dowry harassment or cruelty against them. They are just anticipating it and facing constant domestic violence by wife's father, bothers and the wife. Out of these more than 50% are living with their wives.

Similarly, 75% of SIFF members do not have children.

90% of SIFF members do not file for divorce.
90% of SIFF members do not marry again.

SIFF is a open group. Anyone (including unscrupulous women) can come to us and take advice about laws and tactics.

It is all open out there in Internet and in Yahoogroup. A woman can disguise herself and can come to us saying her brother is harassed and get all the tips. Using that she can choose to harass her own husband.

So, if someone wants to misuse the knowledge of SIFF, the it is his or her choice.

But, I must tell you one thing.

It is law of nature that only truth wins on long run.

God knows the truth, but waits.

So, do not accuse that SIFF is shielding any criminals as it is just a open group and its counselling is available for all.

If you want counselling (whether you are a man or a woman) call our helplines. Simple.

The False 498a people are losing ground just like patriarchal MCPs, because they do not have truth or fairness on their side.

The same will be valid for Prashanth, his sister, his mother and his wife as well. It is the truth which will win ultimately. I or SIFF members have nothing to say.

Reader,

You asked that Prashanth must first prove his innocence.

Why?

Where is the proof Grihalakshmi has produced that he, his mother, his sister harassed her for dowry?

If there is no proof, then he, his sister, his mother are innocent till proven guilty.

This shows you are not following the very cardinal principles of natural justice and you are considering "people accused in 498a" as guilty till proven innocent.

So, your false claims of being fair get exposed.

You claim, you have got some proof against some other SIFF member. Ok. Fine. Please upload it immediately in Internet and provide that link to us without just asking my permission.

Very very clever. I knew you would scoot off when I would answer you. Why the hell do you ask, when you want to scoot off.

NOW

You said "90% of SIFF members are pre-498a stage"

SIFF has some 2000 member? Or lets say 5000 to give you the benefit of doubt.

That means only 4500 members are on pre-498a stage and only 500 have been (falsely) charged. On that basis you say that the law is misused. What BS is that? What logic is that?

THEN I say that every woman in India who marries is at a risk of dowry harassment or fire accident in the kitchen. Okay.

Are you afraid to cross the street lest a car runs over you. Yes, you are. So stop the cars from running on the street. Comon Sumanth you can do better than that!

You have made a very very dangerous comment Sumanth. Your entire cause may just collapse, as it is most of the times it is on thin ice.
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You said "75% of SIFF members do not have children."

So the 25% who have children and fall under minority (ie 25%), their children must be sacrificed. Let those 25% remarry right? They will not file a single application for child custody ( mind you child custody) lest they get stuck with the burden and not get the second chance to enjoy the worldly pleasures.

I once again love the way you skirted the issue of how many actually file applications for child custody or visitations right from comment 56 . That says it all. Period. That speaks the truth and God knows and in the matter of innocent children, no irresponsible father will escape.
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And also in # 58 you said "A man can pay for a child only if the child is ready to look after the father in his old age and ready to give maintenance to the old father."

Please (when you have the time) please explain to us gullible souls, how a child who is 1 yr or 2yr or a minor can make that kind of a commitment.

Relationships are not contracts and you belong to SaveIndianfamily. Ridiculous is that.

Ladies and Gentlemen , please note the vile remark of Sumanth on # 58.

Sumanth , let me educate you on some basic laws
1). A minor cannot enter into a contract with anyone
2) A minor cannot make a commitment
3) Once above 18 , the child support stops or can stop.

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"SIFF is not shielding any criminals." What kind of logic is that just coz it is an open group, it is not shielding criminals.

Once again read 59,60,62,63,64 a)to let us know how many file custody applications out of the 25% and b)answer us readers the query in 58 by you

We all will await the response.


And yes very soon I am going to be a member of SIF and will send you an email to make me a member. Let us see then? Okay. And I will not disguise myself. Is that okay?

Sumanth,

Kindly read the whole para by me okay

I said " Prashanth will first have to prove his innocence, once done, then he can counter allege with defamation of character and what have you.... Okay.

I know you are getting desparate but kindly dont misrepresent my statements.


Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and anyone who is innocent can easily proove so. Okay.

#52 writes - "498 is legal terrorism, what BS is that?"
Sorry - I didnt invent that. Supreme Court of India stated that in one of its judgments.

#68 -You are making desparate attempts at declaring yourself a clever fellah by making cavalier and condescending statements.

"... anyone who is innocent can easily proove so..." - Is that right? How easy is easy? Can you explain how long the court trials take place in India? Do you know perjury is rampant and unpunished in India? Do you know it is a documented fact that there is endemic corruption in our legal system?

You have not stated anywhere - why only Prashant has to prove his innocence whereas Grihalakshmi is exempt from such a requirement. Whether he or she is really innocent is a separate matter; which should be determined in an impartial court trial.

It is now a matter of record that -
- It is Grihalakshmi who first pointed fingers and accused not only Prashant, but his family memebers as well.
- It is Grihalakshmi who initiated criminal complaint and set in motion the apparatus of the govt.
- It is Grihalakshmi who went to the press first with her accusations.

Now, explain to us less intelligent souls, why Prashant is to be forced to prove his innocence and Grihalakshmi is exempt.

To Kris the less intelligent souls,

Do read 57 very carefully and then read 68 only. And if you still do not get it, then leave it.

Mr.Reader,

Relationships are contracts once we get legal. All relationships are contracts. Marriages are contracts.

I am not saying it. The legal system has reduced everything into contract.

80% of SIFF members who have children ask for visitation and custody. Almost all of them are ready for full child custody.

Come to our meetings and meet the people who filed for child custody and who have never married again.

Do not make baseless allegation.

Threat of filing a 498a case is domestic violence by a wife. Most of our victims are victims of domestic violence and they fear 498a. Only 10% of them have 498a cases on them.

When we started, almost 50% of our members had 498a cases. But as time passed by more and more people approach us as they start receiving threats.

Let me ask you, do you support Section 498a in present form?

An Indian man can not evade maintenance to his wife or child. Simple.

The courts put the poor men in jail who fail to pay maintenance. These guys do not have money to even get bails. So, they remain inside for 2 to 3 months.

Are you suggesting that 498a is a short cut tool against extracting alimony for the child?

If that is so, then it is a pathetic method.

I know a guy who had to pay 12 lacs to woman for just 1 month of marriage as he and his old widowed mother could not take the harassment of running around courts.

That is, Rs.40,000 per night.

Reader,

If you know so much about SIFF, then please tell me what percentage of SIFF members have remarried?

I say again most SIFF members do not file for divorce.

Please note, for most of them one marriage is more than enough for one life.

If you want to keep on accusing without any basis, then here are some more things you can do.

Please accuse SIFF members as:

1) Homosexuals
2) Impotent
3) Child Abusers
4) Alcoholics


Regarding Child Custody issue:
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Please write another article in Desicritics and we will discuss in detail.

To comment 57,

Prashanth's wife started living separately many months before the birth of child.

So, how are you accusing him that he harassed her after the birth of the child?

Why do we all consider your hallucinations as facts?

"80% of SIFF members who have children ask for visitation and custody. Almost all of them are ready for full child custody.""

Why do i get the feeling that you are making this along as we discuss? I thought it was 25 % from your comment# in 65!! Are these not your hallucinations? Did you have your coffee still?

And thanks for the contract information. Wonder if you ever studied relationships and looked beyond the contract. Now how money minded is that?
So let me ask you Sumanth... How much money did you make out of your contract?

And while we are on contract and explaining the laws to each other....

Please let us know # 58 you said "A man can pay for a child only if the child is ready to look after the father in his old age and ready to give maintenance to the old father."

Please (when you have the time) please explain to us gullible souls, how a child who is 1 yr or 2yr or a minor can make that kind of a commitment or enter a contract.

And why should we also consider your hallucinations as facts?

Please think about it and you can answer in the evening.

I am going to send you an email to let me enter in a group that claims to be open for all. Just to make sure facts are facts.

[EDITED - BLATHER]

Fight the [EDITED - IRRELEVANT] at in above link.

http://desicritics. org/2007/ 07/04/000900. php

Gorky,

Sumanth is trying isn't he?

[EDITED - AND IP BANNED]

Sumanth..and the rest here...Are there no one from the Law'n Order or the Judiciry litrate enough to go through these???

Prashant has got proofs and evidences which a lot of media is accepting then why in the hell does the Legal, Judicial and the Law'n Order Crusify her and her folks and her lawyers? - Do they not have the spine or the balls to do so? What are they waiting for? Does Prashant have to wait for his life time for the curropt, illogical and idiotic Judicial System of the Country to first prove that he is right, then he files another one whoucl would again go on for ages to prosecute that his Ex and co-culprits and for the custody of his child? He probably might get custody of his child by the time his great grandchild's kid has a kid!!

Sumanth

Congratulations. Good job done.

rgds

Indian Men today do not even have as much rights as that of a Stray Dog who too are protected by fanatic feminists in the name of Animal Rights!!

What Animal Rights when there is no basic Human Rights in the world's largest Democracy!! Democracy I believe - for the people, of the people and by the people need to be changed to for the Fanatic Feminists, of the Fanatic Feminists by the Fanatic Feminists!!

Feminists are good - but Fanatism makes them worst.[BLATHER, PERSONAL ATTACK]

And "Insider" - yes give me a good reason why should the founder of SIF or for that matter any guy fight a meaningless war for custody and waste his time and money knowing that the spineless Judges would never give them their Child's custudy instead would force him to pay towards the grooming [EDITED]

He would rather file counters and get these Warewolves behind bars and claim custody of his kid being next of the kin!!

To reader and their ilk,

statistics :

85% of the divorces in india are initiated by women ( Source is India Today, a very pro fanatic feminist company)

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464132&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART


[EDITED]

Why all the comments are coming bold.

Can someone correct it.

# 78 to 81...

You are good followers of commands from Sumanth. Keep it up

# 78 to 81

Sumanth please make sure they are compensated okay...however yukky job they might have done, they still obeyed your commands. So compensate them.

What is this Sumanth..bad bad very bad

You could not answer Reader's query on how a "minor can enter into contract so your sent the above. "

Also even I and the rest await on how that is possible?
Were you hallucinating when you made the comment??
If yes, say so?
And also is it 25% Siff members with kids or 80%?? please let us know. I say NONE.
Have the laws changed?
If yes, even I can make my child enter into contracts now?

and yes [EDITED-PERSONAL, IRRELEVANT]

Anon,

[EDITED - PERSONAL, IRRELEVANT TO ARTICLE]

Children don't ask to be born. Parents give them birth out of their own adult decision. Therefore it is the bloody duty of both Mother and Father to equally care, nurture and look after him/her unconditionally until he/she turns 18. The child under 18 is no way legally capable of making or entering any contract or make any kind of commitment.
It is not a 2 way process to care for the child, it is one way..
The child is no way obligated to take care of his lonely father who is not capable to look after himself in his old age( the old guy should have thought about this before burning the bridge with his wife when he was young, don't you think so). If the father has done a good job, the child will be with him until the very end.
The child did not ask to be born, so both parents have to cough it up to make sure the child is taken care of.
After 18 if the child continues to stay will parents or child support stops after that, which is fine because all are adults then.


In India when parents separate, it the mother who brings the child up solely. In the case of SIF fathers, per your confused statistics whether 25% or 80% which you don't know yourself ( # 65 and 71), the fathers have escaped from their moral and legal duty which in the long run will catch up with them and then no one can help the father, not even you.

You have skirted the issue enough, asked questions and done a lot of legal work on contracts but all of that back fired on you.

Relationships are pious and a blessing so are marriages and parent-child relationships..
People like you have seen it has legal contracts and nothing else only to make money and therefore could not sustain it.. And now when you are out of words, so stop putting your definitions down our throats.

( I am thwarted that you could not offer any valid argument and sent your sidey siffers to come and deal with me, however, I am glad that you had to resort to help)

Today, it is hobby for many men to make money by breaking their daughter or sister's married life.


It is these over jealous men who do not give women the choice. If the woman woman marries after a love affair, these guys seek to take revenge without even considering what will happen to their sisters.

Just think of Nitish Katara's murder. It is clear who did all that.

Behind every 498a female, there are men who are greedy for money. They want huge alimony and child support so that they can get a portion of it.

These people have converted marriage into prostitution.

No one will ever marry these false 498a females.

These men support 498a because they make money out of it.

NRIs are often asked to pay one to two crores of rupees under threats of 498a. Thats big money for the brothers and fathers of unscrupulous females.

What are the statistics...make sure you do your homework, lest it blows on your face again.

I agree children do not apply a form to be born.

Then why the hell Feminists, NCW and all are supporting Abortions (child killing)?

Marriages break due to wife or husband or both. Blaming men for all the breaks is a biased view.

Both men and women are victims of domestic violence. Putting all blame on men alone is a biased view.

Same way, sometimes in-laws of oneside or otherside or bothsides contribute to a marriage break up.

So, laws have to be same irrespective of gender.

Anon = Ridiculing does not win arguments. When the system is ready to send the minors on one false allegation by an immoral and greedy (a shame to the womankind) kind of woman, people of your ilk express no outrage, but act as cheerleaders in that moral crime.
The same judges ask minors (who cannot enter into contracts) which parent they would like to live with. How can the child enter into such a contract?
When Sumanth expressed an expectation that a child should look after his parent in his old age - ALL YOU MORONS - he is expressing our cultural milieu; a cultural contract which has been honored by all the male children (silently) for generations. Now, the new order, aping the west is being hoisted on us, where the old parents are asked to fend for themselves. But do we have, or have we planned for providing at least the financial security that west provides to their old.

Sumanth

What you just pointed out again are only threats and your assumption and your make believe hallucinations. Like only 500 members in SIF have so called false dowry cases on them, and because of that you want the dowry law to changed!

I say that every woman who marries has risk of dowry harassment and an accident in the kitchen. Therefore the dowry law is most under used.

How many brothers have received this money, how many guys have made the settlement in your group and offered child support( don't start again if you cannot support your stats) and money to wives? How many members in your group have settled by offering a payment to the brother? Name names and exact money.

Assumptions, presumptions and make belief thoughts like of yours are not statistics.

Just because you are scared to cross the road lest a car runs over you, you cannot stop the running of cars.

Like wise your above assumption on brother making it a hobby is nothing but a fragment of your wild hallucinating imagination.

You are getting caught in your own web now..

Children are often used as weapons by unscrupulous women to torment men. As I have already mentioned, male children often desert their mothers as females who hate men abuse their male children as well.

If the man get attached to the child, these women separate the child from the man. If man detaches himself from the child, then they accuse him of not doing his responsibilities.

Both ways the man gets screwed.

So, what will men do as this spreads?

They will stop having children. They will create trusts to support orphanages in stead.

Men will also stop marrying as unscrupulous people often convert marriage into prostitution.

Child custody laws of India will change soon as more and more patriarchal judges get replaced by younger judges.

In just 2 years time, there will be judgements in favour of shared parenting.

"I agree children do not apply a form to be born."

Good...glad you agreed,

So how can they(children) enter a contract or make a commitment per your # 58 to support the father. How pathetic was that. It shows your vile intentions.

Please read some of our scriptures on the duties of children towards the parents and before that read parents duty towards the children.

Legally all of you can use the loop holes and get away temporarily from the responsibility of upbringing the child which the man has an equal contribution in.
But wait and watch, the irresponsibilities of these fathers will catch up with them one day when their old and out and times will be tough. At that time law will not be questioned, the morals will be questioned. One can escape the law but not the law of nature, law of karma.

( I am thwarted that you could not offer any valid argument and sent your sidey siffers to come and deal with me, however, I am glad that you had to resort to help)

Reader,

You wrote,
"I say that every woman who marries has risk of dowry harassment and an accident in the kitchen. Therefore the dowry law is most under used."

What kind of crap is that?

Reader,

Most men die before they grow old.

Name one child who was brought up by a feminist and left his mother. Name, statistics, live examples.
You have nothing and therefore # 95 is invalid

Did you? No na

From you comment in 58 it is greedy unscrupulous men who use children has their bank account in old age. Why?

From you comment in # 71, it once again men like you how take relationships as contracts and misuse them. Why?
Women should stop marrying as men (like siffers) convert marriages into contracts literally speaking and only see monetary benefits.

Time will catch and is already catching up.

Since per you # 65 only 500 siff members have dowry cases on them, the rest are only threats for the 90%. (please read your comments and made up statistics again).

Mere threats right?

There fore I say that every woman who marries has risk/a threat of dowry harassment and an accident in the kitchen. Therefore the dowry law is most under used.


You are getting caught in your own web now..

Karma and Truth is valid for all creatures.

It is valid of radical feminists, judges, females who do abortion, doctors who give false certificates, men who desert their wives and children, people who make bad laws, people who drive others to suicide and people who support injustice.

It is applicable to all.

At least thats where you will agree with me.

Full Stop.

We would have carried out our battles if we violated any nature's laws.

It is just because of this Karmic reason that more and more feminists are shutting their mouths now.

#89 - No child asks to be born. Internationally, it is a proved fact that about 30% of fathers are duped into raising or provide support to children that are biologically not theirs. That is called "paternity fraud" and it is a crime wantonly committed by women.

Check out the poetry at -

http://indiapaternityfraud.wordpress.com/

Oh so now men die before they turn old.

So what will happen to the new law that you are trying to create where a minor a child will have to enter a contract # 58 where he makes a commitment that his father will nurture him only if he in turn takes care of him in old age.

Now that you realize that it is not possible

You have come up with a new excuse that men die before they turn old # 98

Vowwww... from # 58 to # 98 it has been a journey.

One more excuse to avoid the question of how many siffers ( 25% or 75%) actually file child support.

Name one child who was brought up by a feminist and left his mother. Name, statistics, live examples.
You have nothing and therefore # 95 is invalid

Did you? No na

From you comment in 58 it is greedy unscrupulous men who use children has their bank account in old age. Why?

From you comment in # 71, it once again men like you how take relationships as contracts and misuse them. Why?
Women should stop marrying as men (like siffers) convert marriages into contracts literally speaking and only see monetary benefits.

Time will catch and is already catching up.

Reader,

I am not saying most dowry cases are false. Supreme court is saying it and feminists are acknowledging it.

SIFF members have been able to safeguard themselves. But, million more do not know existence of SIFF and hence suffer in silence.

You are absolutely right in saying that women should not marry men and neither should men marry women.

#95 Sumanth: The question isnt whether or not such things happen...the question is how do you, YOU or OTHER Siffers know for sure, beyond reasonable doubt, which woman is unscrupuluous and which woman is not? Are you lawmakers, judges, police, God? Who the hell are you and how is your judgement of women's characters any better that other people's? What if you mnake a mistake in your judgement? Who will hold you responsible? Are there any laws that will book you in if lets say you falsely pronounce a woman guilty of making a false 498A case?

So why don't you let the law work and find other means for these so-called "vulnerable" men to protect themselves from being falsely accused. They could start with marrying someone theyve known for a while instead of jumping into wedlock with a girl their parents found them after seeing her for 15 days. They could start by marrying educated, independent women who can earn a living and cannot legally harass them for money/ support. They could start by being aware of such legalities before tying the knot without getting to know the girl or her family.

One of your Siffers said that brides who are burnt are at fault because they went looking for the bride burner and becoz their parents didnt look out for them. Same applies for these men. The guy's parents should do a better job of finding a girl for their dumb sons so they dont get screwed over later.

Everything is a hoax to you idiots. Brides being burnt is a hoax, dowry cases are a hoax, abuse of women and children is a hoax. I say itsa a hoax that men are falsely accused and booked under 498A. You discredit women's suffering, why will women's groups support your cause? You have no legal background, no journalism background, no credentials to be going around being the superviser for women's characters and intentions. You probably had a bitter experience and are now going around with this "All 498A Cases Are False" flag, trying to prove that you and your senseless SIFFERS are smarter than an entire nation's lawmakers. You use words like "feminism" and "women's rights" out of context and people can only wonder how somebody can pickle his half-baked ideas in such a coccoon of ignorance for so long.

Children don't ask to be born. Parents give them birth out of their own adult decision. Therefore it is the bloody duty of both Mother and Father to equally care, nurture and look after him/her unconditionally until he/she turns 18. The child under 18 is no way legally capable of making or entering any contract or make any kind of commitment.
It is not a 2 way process to care for the child, it is one way..
The child is no way obligated to take care of his lonely father who is not capable to look after himself in his old age( the old guy should have thought about this before burning the bridge with his wife when he was young, don't you think so). If the father has done a good job, the child will be with him until the very end.
The child did not ask to be born, so both parents have to cough it up to make sure the child is taken care of.
After 18 if the child continues to stay will parents or child support stops after that, which is fine because all are adults then.


In India when parents separate, it the mother who brings the child up solely. In the case of SIF fathers, per your confused statistics whether 25% or 80% which you don't know yourself ( # 65 and 71), the fathers have escaped from their moral and legal duty which in the long run will catch up with them and then no one can help the father, not even you.

You have skirted the issue enough, asked questions and done a lot of legal work on contracts but all of that back fired on you.

Relationships are pious and a blessing so are marriages and parent-child relationships..
People like you have seen it has legal contracts and nothing else only to make money and therefore could not sustain it.. And now when you are out of words, so stop putting your definitions down our throats.

( I am thwarted that you could not offer any valid argument and sent your sidey siffers to come and deal with me, however, I am glad that you had to resort to help)

Vowwww... from # 58 to # 98 it has been a journey for the changing faces, loose statistics, fake statistics, assumptions, contracts, avoiding the child support, hallucinations of masuculists who are so entangled in their web. It because of law of karma, that the reality is catching up on more and more men in their mids and are facing mid-life crisis.

Please (when you have the time) please explain to us gullible souls, how a child who is 1 yr or 2yr or a minor can make that kind of a commitment or enter a contract.


Sumanth?? from 58 to 98, you gave up in one day?

SIFF does not take role of judges or courts.

The only thing we say is laws have to be Gender Neutral and people have to be considered innocent till proven guilty.

SIFF counsellors tell men not to apply for divorce and in stead change themselves without compromising their rights. In turn, we promise the man that we protect him if he gets into trouble. We also tell members to separate from their parents if needed.

We make members do all the things that feminists want men to do. The only difference is that we give them support for doing it/

A real abuser will never follow such conditions by SIFF. So, even such abusers get into SIFF, they do not get any assistance.

SIFF's methods work only when a man becomes non-patriarchal.


There are two SIFF members in Bangalore, who packed their bags and left their parents to stay with wife's parents as demanded by the wife.

But, once a person joins SIFF and follows the basic methods given, he gets powerful. So, females do not dare to file cases against them.

Most SIFF members also file for "Restitution of Conjugal Rights(RCR)" so that the wife who deserted can come back.

We have already uploaded a lot of evidence in YouTube. Much more will come. As women get bolder, they are demanding money for diamonds directly by writing letters that they will file false dowry cases otherwise.

We will publish all these in due course of time.

SIFF does not take role of judges or courts.

The only thing we say is laws have to be Gender Neutral and people have to be considered innocent till proven guilty.

SIFF counsellors tell men not to apply for divorce and in stead change themselves without compromising their rights. In turn, we promise the man that we protect him if he gets into trouble. We also tell members to separate from their parents if needed.

We make members do all the things that feminists want men to do. The only difference is that we give them support for doing it/

A real abuser will never follow such conditions by SIFF. So, even such abusers get into SIFF, they do not get any assistance.

SIFF's methods work only when a man becomes non-patriarchal.


There are two SIFF members in Bangalore, who packed their bags and left their parents to stay with wife's parents as demanded by the wife.

But, once a person joins SIFF and follows the basic methods given, he gets powerful. So, females do not dare to file cases against them.

Most SIFF members also file for "Restitution of Conjugal Rights(RCR)" so that the wife who deserted can come back.

We have already uploaded a lot of evidence in YouTube. Much more will come. As women get bolder, they are demanding money for diamonds directly by writing letters that they will file false dowry cases otherwise.

We will publish all these in due course of time.

Reader,

Where did I say, a child has to enter into a contract?

I said,"A man can pay for a child only if the child is ready to look after the father in his old age and ready to give maintenance to the old father."

I mean if the child calls the father a thief (being poisoned by wife) and wants to stay with mother only (for ever), then why should the father pay for this child?

Reader,

SIFF members will continue to seek child custody and visitation unlike patriarchal creatures.

...so now SIF will continue to file child custody? Really how many? Who said anything about SIFF stopping it or was anyone trying to stop SIFF? Please give concrete statistics on here after you decide if it was 25% or 80%. Take your time and there is no hurry. But get it right this time okay?

You said
"A man can pay for a child only if the child is ready to look after the father in his old age and ready to give maintenance to the old father." per # 58

That is a term and condition laid out by you. Minors cannot enter into any T& C, contracts or commitments.

I am talking about new borns, 1 yrs, 2 yrs, 3ys etc etc and children who are minors.( ie under 18)

Dont you get it a child under 18 cannot make a commitment or enter any contract or understand what you SIFF fathers lay has terms and conditions

If a minor calls his father a thief, he needs to be diciplined with corrective action and not be abandoned.

An adult above 18 if calls his father a thief, then it is a dispute between 2 full grown adults. You cannot lamely accuse the mother of the adult for poisoning the mind of the adult. To each his own.


Get your basics right?

For all the name calling , the women are not responsible. More and more men are realizing this and are taking responsibility of their children lest they are all alone in mid-age and old age like siffers. Very soon people will give the examples of SIF fathers who lead lonely lives with no wife and no children and will not go that path. Life is fun at 25 when you can marry again, same at 30 and 35 but not after that. It catches up on you.

Most mothers who are taking care of their children alone seem very unaffected, calm, and at peace. They DO NOT bother about child maintenace coz that is a headache, and single handedly bringing up children gives them a true meaning to live life, a purpose.

More men ( non-sifers) make sure they are fully participative in their children's life lest they turn out like sifers alone and loners and purposeless.

Also you said then that "men die before they grow old...so? # 98" Is that your feeble excuse for SIF men not to take onus of their children equally? So basically you say they the father should not support the child , since the father will not reap any monetary benefits in old age. All about benefits huh?

What the hell?? I thought you could do better than this. But I guess actions/intentions speak more than words and any damn statistics.

More men ( non-sifers) make sure they are fully participative in their children's life. Because they dont want to be the next siffer who is a loner who abandoned his own children.

Try to do a true analysis of the mindset of your members and you will appalled to see the results.
You think men are tough , cant emote, and if they emote they will loose, should not express, if they cry for companionship they are loosers, you teach them to be tough but someday they will collapse and some are already.

All the best.

Why will women's groups support your cause?

Answer: They won't...even when they know 98% of 498a cases are baseless and more women suffer because of misuse of 498a than those that benefit from their proper use. Protecting innocent men and women on the man's side of the family does not fit in the agenda of women's organizations. Unscrupulous wives who are out to ruin their own lives as well as those of others are the only people that women's organizations care about.

As in many other countries child custody is almost always granted to the mother even in India. Men are not only fighting to prove their innocence in false cases but also for the right to be able to have a role in their children's lives.

#114 "98% of 498a cases are baseless"

I request SIF to please provide statistical data demonstrating the same. I also request you to NOT harm a section of women who are in the rural areas and suffer extreme sexism. this law has been made as a provision for those women and becoz a few women choose to use the section in a false manner does not give you people the right to claim that 98% of the cases are baseless. YOU GUYS DONT KNOW THAT AND HENCEFORTH PROVIDE STATISTICAL REFERENCES FOR YOUR STATEMENTS>>>NOT YOUR OWN HUNCHES.

If you guys don't want or need support from anybody, quit making your demonstrations and statements on a public forum and go fend for yourselves. If you want support, place your views, your case and your points logically otherwise NOBODY wants to put up with your name calling and attacks. If you dont want support from women's groups or any other organization why this post? To announce your petty victories?

98% men who say that the cases are false are the ones MOST LIKELY to abuse their wives either physically ,mentlaly and verbally. They need to have this threat in order to behave.

The threat lies with every married women coz he does not know when the harassment will start.
100% of Indian women are open to this risk


Kindly stop throwing statistics and numbers. You guys are only good in one number game and that is the bargain you have while demanding dowry. That by far is your most glorious day ever.

http://siftimes.com/article/Women/198/

Forgotten Women

According to a Telugu saying, a woman's worst enemy is another woman. Who could prove it better than our very own National Commission for Women (NCW) and its sister organizations?

At first glance, most feminist organizations appear to be very passionately fighting to empower women. Most women's groups parrot fabricated statistics of violence against women to justify stringent legal provisions to protect women. However, it requires a closer look to understand the kind of empowerment they are talking about, the category of women they see as worthy of protection under law, and how the laws actually affect women.

It has been shown that in close to 98% of cases filed under Section 498A, the accused are found not guilty, and that the complaints were only filed with ulterior motives. Noted activist Madhu Kishwar acknowledged that Section 498A is heavily misused, and that a significant proportion of individuals who approach "Manushi" these days are mothers-in-law and husbands who were falsely accused.

While even the Supreme Court of India has termed the misuse of Section 498A as "legal terrorism", minor girls, pregnant women, married and unmarried sisters, ailing mothers and even aged grandmothers have been sent behind bars based on mere allegations, and subjected to long-drawn trials before being declared innocent. Renowned IPS officer Kiran Bedi admitted that many falsely charged, poor and illiterate women are languishing in prison every year. Some women have ended their lives unable to bear the humiliation of being arrested. Many mothers and sisters are heart-broken to see their sons and brothers lose their youth, their health, their jobs, all their earnings, and sometimes even their lives, as they are mercilessly tortured by their estranged wives, aided by the law enforcement system.

The pain and suffering of these women has not even been acknowledged, leave alone addressed by feminist organizations like NCW. It is now clearer than ever before that by promoting IPC Section 498A feminist organizations are actually protecting those women who indulge in perjury, blackmail, extortion and harassment of their husbands and in-laws. Despite having compelling evidence that more harm than good is being done to women, NCW has not made any attempts to correct misuse of the law.

As if the suffering caused by Section 498A was not enough, NCW pushed for the Domestic Violence Law claiming that it would protect women from physical, verbal, emotional, sexual and economical abuse in a domestic situation. In reality, the law provides protection only to a wife or girlfriend against domestic violence (real or perceived) committed by a man. It ignores domestic violence committed by wives and girlfriends against male partners, and also the several instances where a daughter-in-law commits domestic violence against her mother-in-law, sister-in-law or any other females related by marriage.

Interestingly enough, the Domestic Violence Law also favors divorced women and former girlfriends over a legally wedded wife. It supports the encroachment of property by a girlfriend (former or present) at the expense of the right to residence of a man, his legally wedded wife and any other dependent female members of a family. So, in the name of protecting a section of women who may be making true or false allegations, the law penalizes innocent women who are related to an accused man.

Although it may not be obvious to many, women who file false cases also suffer enormously from turning legal protection tools into lethal weapons. Backed by the NCW and greedy law enforcement officials and lawyers, a significant proportion of women have misused laws and have thoughtlessly broken their marriages on the slightest pretext. Many women have been encouraged to use these laws to threaten and blackmail the husband into submission to their terms and conditions in marriage.

What most people do not realize is that all such cases eventually result in divorce. Consequently, there is an increasing number of unhappy women who, misled by false notions of liberation and empowerment, shunned the simple joys of family life that no women's organization or law enforcement official can restore.

In summary, feminist organizations like NCW have done grave injustice to three groups of women. The first group constitutes genuine victims of dowry harassment and domestic abuse whose misery remains unmitigated, but is constantly alluded to in order to justify stringent women-protection laws. It is important to note that due to a huge excess of false complaints of domestic abuse and dowry harassment, justice is seriously delayed and sometimes even denied in genuine cases.

The second group consists of innocent mothers, sisters and other female relatives of husbands who are criminalized and harassed by the police and the legal system without any regard to their age, health or marital status. The third group comprises women who are readily breaking their families, misguided by dubious notions of "women's rights and empowerment" propagated by feminist groups. These women, even if they are initially successful in bargaining huge monetary settlements, end up unhappy and lonely. Fighting endless legal battles only for vengeance, they deny their children a happy childhood, and deprive themselves of the opportunity to settle down and have a happy family.

Unmoved by the large-scale havoc they wreaked on the society, feminist organizations like NCW continue to push for more and more similar "women-protection laws". It is high time we understand that these laws are not only anti-men, but also anti-women, anti-children, and anti-family. So, anytime you hear about a law claiming to protect women, instead of eagerly endorsing it, please spare a thought at least for the "forgotten women".

"According to a Telugu saying, a woman's worst enemy is another woman."

Explains why the groom's mother in Andhra is at the forefront in deciding the dowry amount. Please take a look at the startling statistics available on this site. Don't ignore it, just click on this and you will see why the 498A section came into existence. It wasnt without cause.

http://www.indiatogether.org/wehost/nodowri/stats.htm

MOST IMPORTANTLY note the number of dowry deaths in the adjoining box as per states in India.

Women protection laws or "legal terrorism"

Domestic violence is a serious problem faced by men, women, and children. However, laws are only designed to confer legal protection to female victims of violence, ignoring violence against men and children. In addition, these laws often violate the civil rights of men, children and even fellow women. Section 498A of the Indian Penal Code is one such law which is not only badly formulated but also very badly implemented, providing enormous scope for its misuse, thereby unleashing "legal terrorism" on innocent citizens.

What is 498A ?

IPC section 498A was introduced in 1983 to protect married women from being harassed or subjected to cruelty by husbands and/or their relatives.
According to this section cruelty is defined as follows:
a) any wilful conduct which is of a nature as is likely to drive the woman to commit suicide or to cause grave injury or danger to her life, limb, or health (whether physical or mental) of the woman;
or
b) harassment of the woman where such harassment is with a view to coercing her or any person related to her to meet any unlawful demand for any property or valuable security or is on account of failure by her or any person related to her to meet such demand."

The law was mainly aimed at curbing dowry harassment. The offence is non bailable (the accused have to be presented in a court of law to obtain bail), non-compoundable (a complaint once filed cannot be withdrawn) except in the State of Andhra Pradesh, and cognizable (arrests are made without issuing a warrant) on a complaint made to the police officer by the victim or by designated relatives. Offenders are liable for imprisonment as well as a fine under the section.

The downside of 498A
Women protection laws such as Section 498A of the Indian Penal Code assume that:
· victims of marital cruelty are always women; the aggressors being always a man and his family.
· women are always honest victims, and, hence, requiring proof of their claims is unnecessary.
· the accused man and his family are guilty until proven innocent.
Due to several loopholes in the law, and the absence of penalty for filing false cases, IPC 498A has been blatantly misused to harass men and their families rather than to protect genuine female victims of dowry related abuse. To make things worse, the Indian law enforcement system is replete with corrupt officials who, for their own monetary gains, embolden women to take undue advantage of the credibility granted to them by law.

Extent of misuse

Many women who are actually harassed by their husbands and in-laws rarely file cases under Section 498A. A lot of them live in rural areas, unaware of the law, or lack the necessary economic and moral support from their natal families. Going by the conviction rate reported by several judges and the Center for Social Research, the proportion of women who have genuine cases is 2%. 98% of women who file 498A cases are from urban backgrounds, and are either capable of fending for themselves, or have enough family support to fall back on. In every instance that one daughter-in-law files a false complaint, at least two women (an innocent mother-in-law and sister-in-law) are arrested and undergo stress, humiliation and harassment in the hands of the exploitative police, lawyers, staff and officials in Indian courts before being acquitted several years later. So, in every 100 cases 2 women genuinely benefit, 98 women get away with perjury and extortion, and at least 196 women suffer needlessly.
Every year, there is a rising number of cases fabricated by wives only to threaten, extort money from, and wreak revenge on husbands and their relatives, in case of marital discord. According to data obtained (using RTI) from the Ministry of Home Affairs, in the year 2005 alone, 58,319 cases were registered under charges of cruelty by husband and relatives (IPC 498A), and resulted in the arrest of 127,560 individuals including 339 children and 4,512 adults over the age of 60. Less than 10 percent of the cases resulted in conviction of the accused. In the same year, 15, 409 individuals were arrested in Andhra Pradesh, including 417 senior citizens and 14 children.
The Supreme Court of India has labeled the misuse of section 498A as "legal terrorism" and stated that "many instances have come to light where the complaints are not bona fide and have been filed with an oblique motive. In such cases, acquittal of the accused does not wipe out the ignominy suffered during and prior to the trial. Sometimes adverse media coverage adds to the misery. "

The Delhi High Court recently stated that "Provisions under this (Domestic Violence) Act should not go the IPC's section 498 A's way (anti-dowry law), which, to our view, is the most abused provision."

The World Health Organization, in its Report on India clearly cited Section 498A as one of the major reasons for the "Increasing Abuse of the Elderly in India".

The NRI predicament

The perception that NRIs are affluent and more likely to part with money under duress makes them easy targets for threats and blackmail using IPC 498A. Misuse of Section 498A has far reaching consequences on the personal and professional lives of innocent NRIs and their India based families:

1. Some lose their hard-earned overseas jobs, and are forced to relocate to India to fight long-drawn legal cases in order to prove their innocence.
2. NRIs, who unwittingly land in India for various reasons are arrested, ill treated and exploited by the police and the legal system.
3. The passport of a falsely implicated NRI is invariably seized as one of the conditions for granting bail, and subsequently, the NRI is required to furnish enormous amounts of security in order to retrieve his/her passport.
4. NRIs who choose to remain overseas due to the fear of legal harassment are either declared "proclaimed offenders" or threatened of being declared "proclaimed offenders".
5. Passports of NRIs are being impounded indiscriminately, thus ruining their career prospects abroad.
6. Red corner notices are being issued by the Government of India, through the Interpol, seeking the extradition of several innocent NRIs, thus equating innocent citizens with dreaded criminals like Dawood Ibrahim.

While NRIs are being tormented in this manner, the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs in collaboration with the National Commission for Women, has been making blatant generalizations denigrating NRI husbands. The Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs, under the auspices of Minister Vayalar Ravi, has released a booklet on marriages with NRIs. This booklet assumes that only women married to NRI men are victims of fraud, abandonment or harassment whereas the truth is that many NRI men have been defrauded, abandoned, harassed and tortured by conniving women. Despite the repeated suggestions by NRI organizations to make the MOIA booklet balanced and truly informative to Indian citizens, the biased version with lopsided views was published, reflecting utter disregard to the concerns of the NRI community. The Indian Government has betrayed the NRI community at large through its antagonistic attitude and apathy towards the problems of NRIs who have enormous financial, intellectual and emotional investment in India.

Role of womens groups:
Women's groups parrot statistics of violence against women to justify stringent legal provisions like IPC 498A. It should be noted that the number of cases that are filed in police stations or courts (and not the number of actual convictions) are the basis for the official statistics of dowry harassment or violence against women. So, given that the law allows women unlimited scope to fabricate lies (with no penalty of perjury), and given that women are encouraged to keep filing false cases, the statistics on dowry harassment and domestic abuse are bound to rise while the problem of genuine harassment is left unchecked. So, the government has, in the name of protection of women, done grave injustice to two groups of women mainly. The first group constitutes the genuine victims of dowry harassment whose misery remains unmitigated but is constantly alluded to in order to justify the law. The second group consists of innocent mothers and sisters of husbands who are criminalized and harassed by the police and the legal system without any regard to their age, health or marital status. Pregnant women, married and unmarried sisters, ailing mothers and even aged grandmothers have been sent behind the bars under false allegations, but their pain and suffering has not even been acknowledged leave alone addressed by the Government. Many falsely charged, poor and illiterate women are languishing in prison every year. Through IPC section 498A, the Government is actually protecting those women that indulge in perjury, blackmail, extortion and harassment of their husbands and in-laws.
Effect on society:

Unreasonable and easily misused laws like IPC 498A are already creating a situation of fear and mutual distrust, and adversely affecting interpersonal relationships between men and women in the society. There is a fear psychosis among men who find it difficult to repose faith in women or marriage. There is also an increasing number of unhappy women who, misled by false notions of liberation and empowerment, have been shunning the simple joys of family life that no women's organization or law enforcement authority can restore. Senior citizens are being denied peace during the last leg of their lives, and children are being deprived of a healthy childhood. Aspirations of young men and women are being crushed, and their most fruitful years are wasted in litigation. The accused families suffer immeasurable economic hardship and emotional trauma due to false criminal cases. There is widespread public disappointment and loss of faith in the government and judiciary. Many individuals have ended their lives unable to endure the humiliation of being arrested and the trauma of fighting false cases, which typically span 5-7 years. Left uncorrected, this situation will only worsen into largescale public unrest.

#119
http://www.indiatogether.org/wehost/nodowri/stats.htm
What other better example than the above for spreading feminist hoax?

Every death of a married woman is treated as a dowry death. Every death of a married man is considered due to financial problems.

Any convictions you obtain based on a law that declares a person guilty until proven innocent are no better than a conviction obtained in Saddam Hussain's Iraq or Nazi Germany.

That makes 100% of the cases filed using 498a fasle.

"Every death of a married woman is treated as a dowry death. Every death of a married man is considered due to financial problems."

Only when the woman is found burnt, with keroscene doused over her and a matchstick flung at her which then causes her to charr to death is called a dowry death.

Using Sumanth's logic isnt a bride's father a man? Why dont you guys cry hoarse about the protection of his rights? Or do you think being thrown in prison is a greater grief than having to live with the fact that the little girl that you raised with love was burned alive by some greedy a-holes for money? Oh, wait, we will convey to the grieving fathers that SIFFERS think that their daughters' murders were hoaxes. If they plan on pressing 498A charges we will also let them know that Mr.Kris here think 100% of 498 cases are false. The only way you guys will learn is if someone close to you is burnt alive for money.

#120 Thanks for providing the statistics for those who wanted the statistics. It is a no-brainer to observe why such laws would be misused. I am reiterating so "readers" dont miss it.

[According to data obtained (using RTI) from the Ministry of Home Affairs, in the year 2005 alone, 58,319 cases were registered under charges of cruelty by husband and relatives (IPC 498A), and resulted in the arrest of 127,560 individuals including 339 children and 4,512 adults over the age of 60. Less than 10 percent of the cases resulted in conviction of the accused. In the same year, 15, 409 individuals were arrested in Andhra Pradesh, including 417 senior citizens and 14 children.
The Supreme Court of India has labeled the misuse of section 498A as "legal terrorism" and stated that "many instances have come to light where the complaints are not bona fide and have been filed with an oblique motive. In such cases, acquittal of the accused does not wipe out the ignominy suffered during and prior to the trial. Sometimes adverse media coverage adds to the misery. "]

"Every death of a married woman is treated as a dowry death. Every death of a married man is considered due to financial problems."

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070424/asp/jamshedpur/story_7687560.asp

Husband escapes murder slur
- Twelve-year-old boy bails out father
VISHVENDU JAIPURIAR

Hazaribagh, April 23: The 24-hour high drama over the dead body of a married woman petered out today in an anti-climax when the deceased's mother arrived from Kanpur and withdrew charges that her daughter was killed by her son-in-law.

The body of Sunita Bansal, who had allegedly committed suicide, lay in the crematorium for over 24 hours after her relatives called up the police, here, suspecting foul play.

The police consequently ordered Abhay Bansal not to cremate the dead body and wait for the arrival of his in-laws.

In cases involving women burning to death, husbands have often been arrested on suspicion, even sent to jail before being acquitted after long-drawn trials in court.

In this case, the husband owes his freedom to his 12-year-old son, who stood by his father from the beginning and told police that it was his mother who was at fault.

Bansal, a trader, and his twelve-year-old son, Rajat, stood guard over the decaying body till Bansal's in-laws arrived here today and satisfied themselves about his innocence.

While they spoke to the neighbours as well as Bansal, what tilted the scale was the testimony of the 12-year-old boy.

Rajat had all along maintained that his mother had committed suicide by setting herself on fire.

She had a mercurial temper and often quarrelled with his father , threatening to commit suicide and implicate him in her suicide note, he had claimed yesterday.

Today he repeated the claim before his maternal grandmother and apparently succeeded in convincing her that his father was innocent.

The relatives of the deceased then relented and allowed the body to be cremated and gave the go-ahead to the father-son duo for completing her last rites.

Recalling the evening of April 21, the 12-year-old boy declared that his father had rushed up after spotting smoke emanating from their rented flat.

But by then his mother had suffered severe burn injuries.

She was immediately taken to the sadar hospital, from where she was referred to Ranchi.

But she died on the way.

Mother of the deceased acknowledged that Sunita was impulsive and ill-tempered and she declared that she no longer had any complaint against her son-in-law.

Police officials said their investigation too confirmed that it was a case of suicide.

"But we shall wait for the post-mortem report before closing the case," they added.

#122 - Dont go on your high horse. We all have sisters and daughters. There are several cases of kitchen accident deaths due to faulty design of the stoves that were treated as dowry deaths and the families of in-laws incarcerated.

All I am saying (pardon my hyperbole on 100%) is - you make the law equitable and then genuine cases of harassment and death will be dealt with appropriately harshly. When our sister/daughter is genuinely affected, I or any other man would not like to see her case sidetracked or justice delayed, because scores of other unscrupulous women are filing false cases and clogging the system. I definitely want the scope for misuse of the laws eliminated so genuine cases of harassment are dealt with harshly both legally and socially.

Kris

I am sure you do a good job as a side kick. We plan to give you a prmotion soon and send you to some maths class.

The morons who say that98% of the cases are false

Please provide 98 names and judgement orders. Write an article with 98 names and upload the links on youtube.

Provide 98 names of husbands and wives both. Give links and uplaod them

If not, then quit your number games.

Only 2% people are convicted in dowry, which means 98% women do not file the case and are no aware of the laws. How under used are the laws?

Your founder/leader Sumath himself has said that only 10% members are affected by the law--so where do you get your 98%.

If not 98 names then atleast provide 10 names okay

There are plenty of sources to show that 98% of cases are false. The morons who want proof can go file an RTI and find out for themselves if they don't trust the courts, judges and lawyers who are saying that. There are videos on youtube, the sources of which have been provided in the comments of many articles in DC. Go find them yourself.

Name 98 names and if you cannot then name atleast 10 names

Dear friends!!!

498A is a Legal Terrorism. The investigation authorities look at the acccused and his family for making quick money. This also goes in thousands of rupees. Rest everyone here is aware where all to pay up. This is the system we live in. Ultimately it is always the individual who suffers. Make laws to deter people from crime and not encourage people to fulfil their ulterior motives through way of Legal Terrorism.

Dearest Suhail Shaikh:

498A isnt termed as Legal Terrorism, misuse of the section however is. There are many such stringent laws that are abused by unscrupuluous people which could use reform.

Suhail

[EDITED - PERSONAL,IRRELEVANT]

I know a certain person who misuses religious laws. What wouldd you call that person who gives talak to his wife by merely sayng the 3 words.
Isnt that misuse? Isnt that misuse of power? Is the not misuse of religious laws?

three time talak...I have been against it for decades. I am in favor of uniform civil code.

However, I guess it should be 1 time talak instead...What is the purpose of staying together if one partner does not like other...I guess my voice is in unison with feminist advocation of liberation ...atleast on this issue ;).

Misuse of disgusting Triple Talaq does not make a woman and her family considered, "Guilty Till Proven Innocent."

TADA and POTA were meant to Stop Terrorism.

Their mild misuse, let to ruling party changing these laws.

Some creatures do not understand the difference in impact on innocents when a civil law and a criminal law is misused.

It is a Fascist Approach, when people are jailed without evidence or investigation and are considered "Guilty Till Proven Innocent."

Now, these Fascist morons want to teach enthics and sane language to all.

If such Fascist laws are kept in existence, then why the hell this country claim itself to be a civilised democratic country.

From this August 15, we can call India as "Fascist Republic of India"(FRI).

Why one need to have an Ashoka Chakra in the middle with so many spokes? Remove all the spokes and keep only one representing daughter-in-law.

It is time a second Freedom movement is started in this country to eliminate unscrupulous people who have hijacked the parliament and who claim that they have people's mandate at every drop of hat.

Did people give them mandate to put people in concentration camps?

It will cost only 20 lacs to distribute 1 crore pamphlets all over the country. When people know how their elected representatives are screwing up the family system, all these fellows will flee to some caves in Himalayas.

The morons do not even realise the power of people when they know how the foreign funds are used to break the social fabric.

Mr Suhail I agree with you...

498A in itself is Legal Terrorism..its use and misuse is a secondary issue. 498A in current form is plain unacceptable.

Sumnath,

Thanks for the expose well done of the feminine GrihLaksmi ( Goddess of Home, or should we say, destroyer of home and family).

Hearty Kudos from the mothers, sisters and daughters suffering from evil feminists.

Now about the comments,
it looks, you are losing focus on the matter.

These Reader,Insider, etc even after illegal activities of feminist Grihlaksmi , supporting her,and then bringing the children in the mix.
It is known fact, that feminist are most exploiter of children.
SAmetime, let not loose, the focus of the expose of Grihlakhsmi,
by the sinister objectives of this evil feminists putting children on the front.
This is what, TERRORIST also do, put children as the shield when in crisis.

More over this editor is hand and glove with them, quickly slices off any comments against feminine interests,while retaining the crude and dirty remarks of the feminists.

They can read a children account at (for her name and number game #104) -
[Name one child who was brought up by a feminist and left his mother. Name, statistics, live examples.You have nothing and therefore # 95 is invalid]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464132&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART


They can obtain divorce details from India today, a very pro feminist magazine,
and the children dumped in orphan homes, by feminists, from Bachpan Bachao Andolan, headed by a feminist only.


And They can learn their exposed feminism real objective from here.
http://desicritics.org/2007/05/24/130849.php

Kris.

One time talak huh? How about the reverse application too..so that there is equality.

Btw...where are the 10 names of innocent males who have been aquitted in false 498 cases. Support your statistics and provide links.

Support you so called 98% claim that dowry cases are false. I want to see judgement orders on the links.

Another Anon,

If you are that interested in judgments and names of people who have been acquitted, why don't you go check court orders. They are public information.

I checked court orders and there are none.

So I am highly interested in Kris's statistics and information. I do not intend to deride his intelligence, just want to make sure the stats he has are valid enough.

Otherwise the rest of us who read his comments will know once and for all he is a hoax. No hard feelings.

Thanks very much and information appreciated.

And please this conversation is between me and Kris regardign the stats and links. All I asked was 10 names and links to it. Why are you getting so nervous.

Another Anon,

You, of the all the people in the forum, is who someone like Kris needs to convince...with names, and judgments. And he gets nervous about you. I am sure you need to have that sense of importance about yourself. Which court records did you check? Are you sure you even know where to go and what to do to get judgments? No, you don't. Just keep asking stupid questions and calling Kris a hoax while the rest of the world wakes up and realizes what kind of a fraud feminists have perpetrated.

Okay are you done

Kris provided the data by himself and no one asked him. When he does, then provide links.

You call feminists frauds, so prove it, provide 10 names with links. if you cannot ,then stop it and keep quiet.



If you cannot get this simple logic ,then quit and let Kris and me continue the conversation.

And I did not say that Kris is getting nervous coz he is not. He is a man of his word and will provide 10 names, if he cannot then he will be graceful about it and maintian silience.

About being nervous, I meant you and not him. LOL

He does not need your help in this okay. So let us carry the conversation.

Also Sumanth also needs to provide some clarification to reader whether it is 25 % or 80 % SIF fathers who evade child custody. It is very clear that who is confused about stats.

Currently speaking only from the forums comments, it is not us who look stupid and unsure and loose with statistical information but you guys.

You haven't answered my questions.

Which court records did you check?

Are you sure you even know where to go and what to do to get judgments?

Hidden Anon

Good Jump start that was....

Provide the links also. Thanks!

Do you have information on some common men.

Provide links....

Readers, please check , that these guys are providing false information and nothing else. They are a nuisance and with hoax data.

Every women who gets married is at risk of being subjected to torture

98% women are victims of dowry, torture, harassment, misuse of religious laws, verbal abuse in India.
PERIOD

Right!

Which court records did you check?

Are you sure you even know where to go and what to do to get judgments?

Anyone who wants data can get them from courts since they are public records.

Anyone can file an RTI, which is a powerful tool to obtain data from the govt.

Another Anon, I am sure you must be getting really worried about the rapid spread of awareness among the public. This is just the beginning. When the public wakes up, they will know who is hoax and who is not. The reality is fast revealing itself.

According to data obtained (using RTI) from the Ministry of Home Affairs, in the year 2005 alone, 58,319 cases were registered under charges of cruelty by husband and relatives (IPC 498A), and resulted in the arrest of 127,560 individuals including 339 children and 4,512 adults over the age of 60. In the same year, 15, 409 individuals were arrested in Andhra Pradesh, including 417 senior citizens and 14 children.
The Supreme Court of India has labeled the misuse of section 498A as "legal terrorism" (BUT NOT THE LAW AS SUCH)

98% women are victims of dowry, torture, harassment, misuse of religious laws, verbal abuse, mental abuse, physical abuse in India but these cases never get recorded. We have to spread more awareness.

Recently Pooja Chauhan whose husband had bribed the cops to avoid giving her a FIR is one such case. She had to resort to dire measures to be heard.
Today her husband has been arrested.
The Commissioner has to provide an explanation for not giving her an FIR

There are so many women out there who never know that such a law exists?

80% men in a notorious men's group do not care about their child and prefer to make a contract with their children in return to be taken care of in old age. ( refer comment 58--same link of this article)

We have to spread more awareness and bring the crooks to justice

Anon,

I am sure you must be getting really worried about the rapid spread of awareness among the public. This is just the beginning. When the public wakes up, they will know who is hoax and who is not. The reality is fast revealing itself.

They will know that there are many more women like Pooja Chauhans who never even get an FIR

How unaware people are is a thing of the past.

Another Anon,

Don't overdo it. You will fall flat on your face.

I just saw that you fell flat on your face ..no links , no information. More on its way....

Yeah right!

:) :) :) :) :) :)

Reminds me of the Commissioner in Pooja Chauhan's case...poor guy is in deep trouble.

Good to know that made your day.

And before you and Kris ask for the link...here it is.

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=486527

Copy it and paste it on your web browser and click GO.

Okay!

Ya seeing you fall, oh yes the pleasure was all mine anytime :)

Watch out the cops maybe at your door next or an red alert notice is on its way for you. What say MR NRI??

Sure. No problem.

Misuse of these laws has to be stopped at any cost.
Till the time the General mass is victimized, no one cares. But when People in high offices specially Women in that positions get victimized, then every one takes notice!!!

We have to bring the precedence where Misusers of the law at any cost have to go to JAIL......

HIdden Anon

And you are a skunk full time. You sound like kiddo .

Prvide links and that too calidated ones or shut the hell up.

Gosh ..please read all comments right here right on DC. The other name for you guys is trolls.

The following is the link
www.desicritics.org

That should get your frustration down.

and btw...I am not a lady,I am a guy

You are 100% wrong. I never demanded dowry or neither a woman hater like you.

I do not have the privilegde for the pass of 5 days in central jail like you lucky kiddo

Ya, there ARE alot like me ...thanks.

So how mnay days did you soend in jail and how was the kick ass work. I heard the things that happen in jail with criminals like u

# 167....

Who are you addressing your grievance too? You are a sure case of schizophrenia . Who is Gaurav? Are you imagining? And no, no one is laughing at you? We don't laugh at mad people like you. My sympathies are with you. The 5 day trauma in jail was bad huh?

Another Anon,


I agree with you he sure case of schizophrenia. The 5 day trauma in jail must have been hard. well well he should have thought about this before taking dowry . I am also sure that he a convict who is wanted in India. Such dimwits never improve. He may also have had a red alert notice on him for charges of dowry and NRI fradulent marriages . Such men put the rest if us to shame and give us a bad light.

Right! Congratulations to Another Anon and Vinod for an excellent analysis!

One must see crocodile tears for children by these unscupulous supporters of fascist laws.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2003/07/07/2003058417

Bitterness of wives leads to abuse of India's anti-dowry laws

Women's rights groups in India are concerned that vendettas by some estranged wives could bring India's vital and hard-won anti-dowry laws into disrepute
By Amrhit Dhillon
THE OBSERVER, NEW DELHI
Monday, Jul 07, 2003, Page 9

The entire Sharma family is stuck inside New Delhi's Tihar Jail -- from the grandparents down to the youngest child, aged three. This is not due to some rampant criminal gene but because a daughter-in-law has filed charges against them alleging harassment to extract dowry payments.

Roop Sharma says their son's marriage to Nisha went badly wrong.

"When divorce seemed on the cards, Nisha's parents began claiming we were torturing Nisha and that we were trying to get a car and gold jewellery out of them. But they just wanted to take their anger out on us and the easiest way was to get us thrown into jail on cooked up dowry charges," she said.

Such cases have prompted some Indian lawyers to question whether India's hard-won anti-dowry laws have now played into the hands of embittered wives seeking revenge on their husbands and their husbands' families.

Hostages

After the traditional arranged marriage, Indian brides go to live with the husband's family. Quite often she is then mistreated and forced to try to extract more dowry -- motorbikes, cars, household goods -- from her parents, even though the husband's family have probably already received something at the time of the marriage. The wife is a hostage, liable to a thrashing unless her parents produce the goods.

The anti-dowry laws were drafted to help women in this position. If things got really bad, she could report her in-laws to the police.

But a New Delhi high court judge, Sadhana Ramachandran, is seeking a review of the laws. She said they are being abused by wives conducting marital vendettas. They fling false accusations at innocent men and their families, to get even or to inflict pain.

"Such women incriminate everyone, not just the husband but the husband's sister or brother and parents. In the Sharma's case, the three-year-old girl ended up in jail too because, with the entire family inside, there was no one to look after her at home," Ramachandran said.

Ramachandran knows of 85-year-old grandparents in jail, awaiting bail or trial on dowry charges.

"It saddens me to say this, because in my career I have focused on the injustice women suffer in a male-dominated society but some women are misusing these laws out of pure viciousness," she said.

In one recent case Rajiv Sethi, 26, came back to India from South Africa to marry the bride his mother had chosen. The marriage collapsed and during the painful denouement, his wife Nandita, accused him and her mother-in-law of "mental cruelty" over dowry.

Lack of proof

"I don't even believe in dowry," exclaims the mother-in-law, Radhika Sethi. "I accepted the fact that their marriage wasn't working out but she accused me of starving her, of locking her up and beating her. None of it is true. My son is devastated at having to run around police stations and the courts. He's lost 27kg. She's ruined his life with a lie. But how can we prove that we were loving?"

There are fears that abuse of anti-dowry laws could lead to increasing scepticism about the numerous genuine cases of women being mistreated or murdered by husbands and in-laws. That would be a tragedy as some 7,000 women were killed over dowry demands in 2001.

In New Delhi alone, a woman is killed -- usually doused with kerosene and set on fire -- every day.

Radhika Sethi approves of the judge's call for a review and feels that a proper inquiry should take place before anyone is arrested to separate genuine from fabricated cases. Some lawyers also believe that automatic bail should be given in dowry cases (something that does not happen in all parts of India) so that innocent families can at least be spared the ordeal of jail.

But women's groups have reacted to the judge's call with dismay. The All-India Democratic Women's Federation (AIDWA) has written to the chief justice of India urging him to deny a review.

"It's taken decades for women to pluck up the courage to use these laws and now they want to dilute them," said Brinda Karat, AIDWA president.

"There may well be a few cases of abuse. But dowry-related violence is so horrific that these laws are life-savers for women and it would be disastrous to dilute them. Dowry-hungry men will think they can get away with murder, literally," Karat said.

Too docile

As it is, she said, Indian women are so culturally conditioned to be docile that very few actually invoke them. AIDWA says only 40,000 cases were registered last year -- "not even a drop in the ocean" -- compared with the violence it says women experience over demands for more dowry.

Lawyer Rani Jethmalani, who specializes in dowry cases, also believes that the number of false cases are miniscule. Marriage is sacrosanct in India, she says, and women will go to any lengths to save theirs.

"I know women who have gone back to their husband and in-laws even after they tried to murder them. Given this attitude, how many will falsely accuse their husband, knowing it means the certain end of the marriage?" Jethmalani said.

If the chief justice agrees to a review, AIDWA, the National Commission for Women and other groups plan nation-wide protests.

"We fought long and hard for these laws," Brinda Karat said. "We're not going to give them up easily."

Another Anon aka Vinod,

Who are you talking to you, yourself,
there is no message #167.

Frustration is rampaging the feminists.
Ha Ha!!!

Pooja has mental Problems [NCW says so].

Looks like every misuser of law when proven guilty makes the excuse that they are mentally unfit.

How will the Husband and his family get justice when they already suffered the trauma even when they are INNOCENT?

Rathod,

SO now you believe NCW, are you still following instructions from NCW? NCW has not standing nor any saying nor any validity. Men like you are not changed.

No I do not believe NCW and I want her to be in JAIL for misuse.
NCW is shielding her with these stories.

The NCW is headed by the corrupt and inept Girija Vyas. The only thing the NCW has done during her tenure, is gobble up loads of cash and lie about statistics. On the flip side, what can one expect from a moral and intellectually bankrupt person like her?
The moron pours herself a cup of tea in the morning and pours another one for her expired mom. She should remember that if she has so much affection for her mom, then so do others, be it male or female.
Can any one of you understand what Poojas mother in law underwent? Thanks to the hoarse cries from the likes of the deranged and corrupt Ms Vyas, the lady had to undergo the humiliation of being arrested, while all along, she probably knew that Pooja was being out hooking.
Why is there not any cries for justice for her ?
How about you bleeding hearts put yourself in her role? You now have a DIL who was hooking and paraded naked in the streets and you have to live with the fact that your grandchild will grow up forever branded as a daughter of a unbalanced (exploited as the NCW called it)hooker.

All these laws have achieved, is cause further division in the country between males and females while guaranteeing justice to no one. The ones who were able to extort money under 498A got away. The corrupt Girija Vyas is among the chief cheer leaders of this mess.
To understand her role in the larger context of vote back politics, please read the article in the Wall Street Journal.
I saw it here:
http://tinyurl.com/23lwr5
-Arjun

Read this: http://tinyurl.com/5c93t

Provide links Mr Arjun
Provide eveidence
Provide data

Author has no addendum now for recent updates of mentally unbalanced Pooja.

How she can have that courage.

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That Prasanth is famous actress in cinema industry. Which is father is great actor and directed in tamil cinema. This is absultely false statement given by wife. Because she cheated prasanth. Then first the law has to take action on his wife. Without telling previous marriage how come she got marriage with prasanth. Why his father is great actor why cannot enquire above his wife. So nice and beauty glamor boy how come he come into crime of dowry why his father not yet earn so many film, Why son prasanth not yet earn money. There r not middle class. I think so. Which his wife has to be punished by the law.

This is not women culture to marry secondly with out informing to husband. First punished the girl.
I think she may planned to live with first husband she might been asking money. So she want to quit prasanth might been her plan. For this instance of dowry acting. I hope God will be with prasanth.

Bangalore.

the crux of the matter is that, Prashant was falsely accused(read IPC 498a law as it is written, and then u will know how heinous an allegation it is, just wielded by extortionists so that the law and enforcers put mighty pressure on the accused and the accused has a better chance to yield to any kind of demand)

Points to ponder:
1) Grihalakshmi still denies that the marriage certificate is genuine, and that witnesses and her signature are all false!(we are talking about a Marriage certificate which is available in the physical records of the Registrar, apart from being available in the website of the Registrar of Tamilnadu, the image which is embedded in the above article)
2) Grihalakshmi went on from denying even acquaintance to Venu prasad, but the next day she admits that he was 'just a friend'. Then Mr.Venu comes out with incriminating evidence, which has been laid out in his divorce petiton(filed after this issue came into fore). Details like 1) Add-on Credit card statement, which Grihalakshmi used when Venu-Grihalakshmi were going steady, 2) Letters of Grihalakshmi to Venu, explaining various phases of their courtship .

So much so that one can be convinced that the entire story clearly is a pack of lies, with respect to Grihalaksmi's claims.

As I said, the crux is the charges leveled against Prashanth were done, only to extort/control him. Which is the sad part here, that this menace is not leaving any part of the society out of its Octopus hands is a sadder part!.

My family is sleepless for last 2 months after my in.laws threatened us by 498a.

Even many times i feel to commit suicide as if they file 498a all gone ...

BTW... Parents should change their mind marrying a girl in their caste will not bring happiness