Tamil Actor Prashanth Stands Against a False Case of Section 498a

Excellent article Sumanth.

I really feel for Prasanth.

Do keep us updated on where this case is going, if you can.

I dont think 498a will be amended. If our politicians amend it, they'll be called "anti-women." Who wants to lose votes from half of India's population?

Complete Interview of Prashanth (in English) is on its way from SIF-Times.

I also know that Section 498a will not be amended as present Govt wants support from feminist lobbies.

But, Prashanth will not be the last celebrity to get victimised under this law. It took just 10 days to create massive awareness in entire State of Tamilnadu. As celebrities like Prashanth come out in open, the hardlined feminists occupying positions in NCW will start losing their ground.

We got more than 40 calls in the evening of the press conference as the newspapers published the helpline number.

We will take on the Govt with our own media, our own print newspapers and our own political party. Ideally Govt should come out with a white paper on "Marital Problems" in stead of promoting marital discord with misinformation, intolerance, consumerism and bad laws.

The gender politics will certainly backfire on ruling party just the way religious vote banks and caste vote banks wiped it out in several key states.

It is a grave mistake on part of ruling party to divide people on the basis of gender. Even now, it has not learnt its lessons from 50 years of history.

Once Govt passes lope-sided "workplace harassment law", people will start getting victimised in corpoarates as well. That will contribute to further backlash.

We have clearly observed that slowly radical feminists are losing their space in Indian Media (both print and visual).

Very soon, SIFF will start offering counselling for women as well and that way it will cut supplies to radical feminist organisations who put women on warpath with misleading information when there is a marital discord.

With more than 5000 members from top sections of society, it will not be difficult for SIFF and its partners to completely take over some smaller feminist organisations in various cities as the only thing they crave is funds.

Prashanth's wife and her family got anticipatory bails fearing arrests.

Sumanth, thanks for posting this timely news, we need to garner more public awareness against this law and though I feel bad for the trauma Prashanth must have gone through but the legal victimization of a celebrity by itself will generate widespread debate on 498a.

And more power to your budding group in Chennai:)

Thanks Deepti.

Most of the homework for Prashanth is done by his family members.

Thanks for the nice article Sumanth.

My sincere appreciation to Actor Prashanth and the SIFF team

Every Husband who has some money, a little respect in society and is law abiding, is considered a target by feminists these days.

Un scrupulous women are turning homes into hell. File a false 498a case and ask for a ransom seems to be the order of the day

It is sad that the Govt. is un willing to change the law.

More than 2000 such cases are filed in Chennai alone. When the DV act was published the Chennai HC was full of DV act copies and every advocate was carrying one. Three or four publishers rushed in prints !! Neither the constitution of India nor Ramayan or Bible or Quran see such sales these days

While we hope Prashant gets respite, we also wish other cases, without dramatic proof, are also provided relief against

- elder abuse including arrest of elders

- sibling abuse including arrest or un married brothers and sisters

- SOWRY - son's property being taken away as ransom by the woman filing false 498a

- Quicker decisions on matrimonial cases (1000s are pending in the three family courts at chennai and numerous other courts at Tamil Nadu and elsewhere in India)

- Making 498a bailable and NON COGNIZABLE



Regards
vinayak

Great Article Sumanth !!!

Hats of to SIFF and Prasanth for bringing this form of Legal Terrorism open in Media.

To me the Feminist Lobby which purposely makes this kind of law is far more dangerous than the girls and their family who misuse the law.

The sad part though is in future, we may get this law amended in such a way that misusers are punished on the same line but there is absolutely no way we can make these home breaker and blood sucker F Lobby accountable for the damage they have done or are doing.

The question remains as to when such a law is purposely made with full of loop-holes which gets passed unanimously in parliament without much discussion and dually gets signed by President, and in just 3 months of its implementation (DV act) is termed by our SC as loosely drafted law which if followed literally may bring social chaos in the country, then how can we make those morons accountable who made/passes/signed it?

Same is true for 498A which is termed as 'Legal Terrorism' by SC!!!

superb article by you.Physical methods such as gheraos and slogan shouting in front of these criminals houses should be considered.

Excellent work and Kudos to the Save Indian Family team. More such efforts should be taken up across the country.

I really liked the way this article is written up, like a journalistic chronicle...kept me rooted till the end. It is so surprising that this guy inspite of being a celebrity had to go through so much. I felt especially bad for the babby born during all of this though, wonder who'll get custody and what'll happen to the lil one.

On this note, I had a question for you guys that I had plannned on asking for a while but just didn't find the chance: If the Indian Parliament takes on the task of amending the section 498A so that it cannot be abused, in what ways can this ammendment be made such that neither party is able to use it to their advantage: families who are in fact guilty of torturing a bride or women who are using the section to put innocent families in prison? What is the middle ground? I was thinking about this matter in terms of the legalities and didn't really know how the law could be amended without one party being put to severe disadvantage. If one of you guys could take the trouble of explaining a probable legal solution in terms of ammendments possible, I'd appreciate it. This I ask only out of curiosity.

Thanks.

My proposed solution (obviously with certain limitations) is available at

http://desicritics.org/2006/09/13/113244.php.

Hi

People in Govt. and in Police should understand this and should take investigating actions on their behalf before arresting and blackmailing. My wife's paternal niece is a DSP in Chennai City Police and her maternal uncle is a IAS. They are using this as a weapon to bring me to my knees and they are getting away with it. Unless Govt. interevenes comes out with strict policies.... I don't see any future. This is going to destroy the pillar of marriage in india.

God Save India.

Jai Hind.

Aditi,

You asked some important questions regarding how to make laws effective.

Laws for any crime should ideally be like steps (just similar to driving license laws in different countries). Every law should have range for its intensity (from mild to severe). Imagine medicine for a disease which often range from mild to high dosage.

The present law created in 1983 is a high dosage law. Imagine, a person come to you with a small swelling on his stomach and you prescribe a chemo.

People in media and activists falsely assume that a severe dosage of law will cure a evil (disease). They fail to see that the high dosage can deter many people and often high dosage will have its severe side-effects.

So, here are methods by which the law can be made effective.

1) Make it bailable and compoundable. That is a person can get bail without an argument in the court.

2) Make it non-cognisable. That is, police will require evidence and some investigation to make arrests.

3) Punishment under section 211 (law against malicious prosecution) of Indian penal code to people who misuse the law.

4) appoint dowry prohibition officers at each district or block level.

5) Make laws gender neutral. Replace the words wife/husband with spouse.

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Justice Malimath (former chief justice of Karnataka and Kerala High courts) headed a panel for reforms in Indian Criminal Justice system and recommended this law to be made bailable and compoundable.

But, human rights lobbies and also Amnesty International(AI) vehemently opposed Malimath Committee recommendations in 2004 and they wanted the laws to be made even more stringent. It sounds very ironical as AI is in favour of arrests of innocents. We did not get any support from any human rights organisation till now.

If 498a is made bailable, the feminist lobbies in media, in literature and in human rights organisations will raise a hue and cry. That can very well make the ruling party lose a portion of women's votes.

So, none of the political parties including BJP want to take a official stand on this law. We have met many leaders from these parties and they do not want to take chance of amending this law.

So, the ball comes back to media, feminists and human rights organisations, who support this draconian law at present.

Please note, media neglected this issue completely for years because of "political correctness".

References:

(Please see the language of feminism is used alongwith a lot of lies, false statistics and one-sided social research to justify this law)

http://www.countercurrents.org/gender-hrf171103.htm


These articles are by feminists written long before SIFF was formed. Our requests to these organisations fell to deaf ears.

We do not think Section 498a will ever get amended. Its the era of radical feminism, huge alimonies and gender vote banks. If parliament had any inclination to amend this draconian law, then they would not have passed a highly one-sided biased and equally draconian domestic violence law.

When Harayana Chief Minister Bhupinder Hooda and Union Minister Dasari Narayana Rao have suffered from this law and yet it was not amended, you can imagine how strong the lobbies are.

Try amending 498a, lobbies will raise a hue and cry that there is rampant female foeticide due to dowry demands and govt is weakening the anti-dowry law in stead of strengthening it. This story will go within minutes to thousands of media channels within minutes. Left led by Prakash Karat and his feminist wife Brinda Karat withdraws the support and the UPA Govt will fall within hours.

Brinda Karat's sister's husband Pranoy Roy of NDTV will then do the exit polls and show how women's votes changed all arithmetics.

The Misuse of 498a, DV law will never end. In US, the misuse of VAWA and Workplace harassment laws is rampant.

There is no light at the end of the tunnel. In US, VAWA is not amended even though it is very well known that women misuse it. UN, UNICEF, AI do not want Section 498a to be amended. Now, you can guess why I wrote that article against UNICEF India chief Cecilio Adorna who was accused of rape. I wanted to give him his own medicine.

There will not be any end to false statistics and lies in media to support women's causes. Because, it is a global phenomenon. It will not go away in a year or two. It will take at least a decade to undo the damage caused in the world.


There is only one way out:
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People lose faith on democracy, parliament, law and take law into their hands. Maoists are already doing it in many places all over India.

Finally, men can not do much about amendment of these laws. It is the women, who can prevail upon the radical feminist clerics and their preachings.

http://www.indiatogether.org/2004/mar/law-sect498a.htm

Renuka video

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/act-wont-hit-good-hubbies-renuka/26051-3-p1.html

Now, you can guess why I wrote that article against UNICEF India chief Cecilio Adorna who was accused of rape. I wanted to give him his own medicine. # 12

So....that was your point. You wanted him to give him a taste of your own medicine. Which means you think that Archana Pandey is a phony and has made false allegations against him? Gosh you suck, leave the lady alone. You had your personal agenda and vendetta against UNICEF and you also used her story to suit your selfish needs. It does not take you second to shamelessly ride on a woman back who is already suffering and has her own battles to fight.

Aaman,
This is really is pathetic. Once an SIF always an SIF. Once a woman hater always a woman hater. Once a beater always a beater. No SIF guy is innocent or cares about saving Indian families. It is pretty apparent they have their own self centered needs to cater to their male egos. The so called title of ..saveindianfamily... is also a hoax. a camouflage only to attract attention so that their needs are met.

Who wrote this survivor guide ?
http://ipc498a.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/a-survivors-guide-to-498a/

Yikes Sumanth you are so damn wretched ! I knew you had an ulterior motive behind writing the UNICEF article because it was so darn hard to digest that you were supporting a woman who was accusing the UNICEF chief of rape. I knew all along that you had some screwed up intention behind those concerns for the victim Archana.

It is a disgrace that the unicef article is still on coz you are the author of it . I am sure that the offensive comments that are written on victim Archana on the UNICEF article suspecting her and trying to break her spirit are no one else but written by the clones of SIF only and yourself including coz you are also nothing but a clone of SIF.

I will make sure in this life time you never achieve your final goal--come what may.

Great article! You are doing a great service to humanity (including both genders). When laws are misused, both men and women suffer.
You have also done a great service by exposing the UNICEF scandal. Let me assure all the readers, the case against Cecil Adorna is infinitely stronger compared to the thousands of the false cases filed by "unscrupulous" women throughout the country. As to "women hater", "women beater" cliches, pleeeaaaase! they have become too worn out to be any effective. No SIFFer is a woman hater - I can assure you of that. Hate the sin, not the sinner.

The Laws Of Gorky ! ( senior SIF activist)

1) Women must not be imprisoned even if they kill. They need to be put in reformation homes.
2) As soon as a woman marries, she must get 50% rights onto husband's property.

3) Large scale single parenting by woman must be encouraged with maintenance provided by husband. Research shows that children who are not allowed to see their fathers after divorce for years grow up very healthy. In India, Gender Sensitive judges must allow the women to decide whether she allows the father to see the child after divorce or not.

4) Any violence committed by woman against others (including murder) must be considered as done in self-defense.
5) The disparity between life expectancy rate difference between men and women need to be brought to the levels of that of developed countries. In India, women live 2.4 years more than men on an average. This difference in life expectancy has to be brought to the levels in US and Europe where women live 7 years more than men on an average.

6) If a man cancels the engagement, he needs to be punished with imprison up to 5 months. If a woman cancels engagement, she must be compensated with 30% of man's annual income.
7) Any woman who commits suicide within 7 years of marriage, a dowry harassment or other harassment case against the husband to be put by default. He must be imprisoned for 1 year for not taking care of his wife.

8 ) If a woman complains of domestic violence, the man must be imprisoned immediately and only a court can grant bail. All the joint bank accounts must be frozen. Woman has to right to stay in the matrimonial home (husband's house), till she gets divorce. If the woman has an adulterous relation, till it is proved (beyond doubt), the husband must allow her to live in his house or must provide alternate accommodation. The typical example for benchmark is the case in movie "Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam". Husband is also expected to help the women achieve her adulterous goals. If he cannot directly help, then he must provide one third of his salary towards the wife till she marries her boy friend.

9) A man must do half of household work even if his wife is not earning.

10) After marriage, a man must not stay with his parents or allow his parents to stay prolonged period with him. He must allow his in-laws to stay in his house for the same amount of time his parents stay in his house. If he violates these rights of the woman, he can be

Imprisoned for not taking equal care of his in-laws.

11) If in-laws of a man "feel" their daughter and they are not properly treated, the man should be thoroughly counselled. If he does not mend his ways, stringent laws be made (even provision for lashing) for rectifying him.

12) The ratio of male: female suicide rates in India to be brought to the levels in west. In India, 50%(about 25000) more men commit suicide than women. This is much lower than the western standards where about 150% more men commit suicide than women.

13) The richer and the more educated the men are, the more should be pressure on them. They should provide the wife with a lifestyle equivalent to their status and they must also spend quality time with family.

14) Women in rural India and poor women suffer due to ignorance and they cannot afford legal help. So, the legal provisions must be used only in urban India. The rural women must be discouraged from approaching police or courts, as they cannot afford to pay bribes. The rural women (women in villages) must be empowered with better employment and they must be counseled to live healthy life in traditional family system and respect the decisions of family elders. This way, it can be shown that laws on women's rights are UNDERUSED. That will help the urban women to MISUSE the law and file false complaints. That will give good business to Feminist lawyers and Human Rights lawyers and provide good bribes to the police. Of course, the booty is ultimately settled between police and Women organizations. The extortion for a Techie goes upto 1 lac and for NRI it goes upto 4 lacs. If the techie does not pay up, the NGO must send the police to harass his landlord, friends and boss in workplace.

15) The rural women do not suffer from domestic violence. Hence domestic violence laws must be used more stringently in urban India only.

16) Men had much better life than women since ages. Men fought wars and always had good food in plundered lands when their women remained in hunger.

17) 25% of software engineers are women, so does 50% of medical students. The men whom these women marry must get bigger salaries than these women and must have higher social status than these talented women. Women must always marry up.

18) Men who do not like their wives wearing revealing clothes (including low-jeans) are old fashioned. In stead of divorcing them, their wives must use threat of section 498a (anti-dowry laws) to get the old parents of the man imprisoned, so that men can be counseled to change and learn tolerance.

19) Designers who plan to design revealing clothes for men must be banned for spreading vulgarity. Wearing revealing clothes is a right solely meant for women.

20) All judges who do not follow gender sensitivity and give judgments against women, must lose their right to pension.

21) Crime Against Women (CAW) cells must counsel the men such that men realize that if they do not bend, then their parents, sisters even grandparents can be imprisoned and tortured. CAW cells must also counsel the men not to commit suicide by telling them in detail various methods of committing suicide. Men committing suicide must always be listed as suicide due to financial reason even if he commits suicide arranging dowry for his daughter.

22) As prevalent in Govt. services, any man accused of harassment against his wife, must be fired from job. Special camps must be set up by govt. in each state for these men to reform. Only hard work can make them learn patience and considerate behaviors. "Work Brings Freedom", "Arbeit Macht Frei". Their property must be confiscated by the state and donated to the NGOs working hand-in-hand with sincere police and benevolent lawyers for betterment of women.

23) Many human rights organizations have created examples of gender sensitivity by championing against giving bail to innocent old and sick in-laws of women who complain of mistreatment. In fact, to eradicate dowry evil in India, these old and sick people must be imprisoned without investigation so that their sons can learn lessons for not caring the sincere and wise advice of their wives and in-laws.

Even "Amnesty International" has opposed bail to sick and infirm in-laws of a woman as suggested by a gender insensitive former high court judge. 25000 women dying of dowry is a much bigger problem than only 10000 parents of men falsely getting jailed. Only a handful of

old in-laws of the woman have committed suicide due to false dowry cases than the number of women dying in dowry problem. Of course, who know better about "prisoners of conscience" than Amnesty International.

24) Human rights organizations have gone a long way fighting against POTA and TADA. Because even terrorists have the right to international law. Dowry evil is much bigger than terrorism. The number of women getting killed by dowry is much more than the number of people killed by terrorists. So, Human Rights Organizations must campaign for continuation of present laws where the old parents of NRIs and Techies are jailed with just one line of complaint from their daughter-in-law. Even if the complaint is false, arrest of old parents of the man sends a clear message to the society, which oppressed women since ages.

25) Recently, many human rights activists protested against the judge who gave a order criticizing imprisonment of 3-year old girl child who spent 3 days in Tihar jail with her whole family (facing dowry harassment charges). This kind of organizations needs generous donations by the people who want to change the world.

26) The fight for women's rights will never end. So, lets campaign for the people in this world to donate for this great cause. After all, woman's development is human's development.

27) Many NGOs in India and abroad have collected millions of dollars for causes of women. Because woman's development is human's development and women's rights are human rights. Because of their dedicated actions in bringing in funds has helped in arresting so many sick and old people in false dowry harassment cases in urban India. Many of these old in-laws of women have committed suicide out of shame when their daughter-in-law got a bargaining position by filing false dowry cases against them. Because of these generous funds donated by many benevolent people in US, these people can commit suicide. Otherwise, these old people are just a social nuisance. What can be a greater social service than to eradicate social nuisance and create social justice.

28) Recently, an old couple were arrested in Kerala and transported like animals to Delhi on train to face charges of dowry harassment. Even though they never stayed with their daughter-in-law, but it gives a clear signal to the society that its time the dowry be eradicated. Please donate to all the NGOs and human rights organizations generously. Research shows that when more and more women live as single parents, that children become healthy. Children of single mothers in US have become great scientists, researchers and social reformers. The same needs to be emulated in India so that India can develop.

29) Many NRIs have donated generously for the foreign visits of women's rights activists. These activists are responsible for bringing patriarchy in India to its knees by championing in favor of detention of all people including old and minors against whom a woman complains of dowry harassment. Of course, it does not matter even if the in-laws never even stayed with the woman and the case she filed is false. What is important is the social deterrent it creates. India Today reports 55% of divorce cases filed last year has women as primary petitioners. This must increase to 75% in next few years. The more the divorces and single parenting in india, the earlier we will achieve gender equality. Indians living in US, who run NGOs and donate to NGOs are as truthful as their own President and propaganda based media. Their perceptions are also as accurate as perceptions of an average American. They also want to change and improve the world just the way US is improving the world. God will certainly give them and their children long happy life. After all, changing the world by funding extremist feminists, which leads to arrests "without investigation" of old and infirm is indeed a noble act. Finally, Karma will give us what we give to others. As sick and old who can not walk properly make rounds in court, God will bless us all for standing for fighting against patriarchy and conducting garrulous arguments with rigid mindsets brainwashed by media in stead of seeing the subtleties in social issues. Since ages, we know reductionism (cutting, solving and pasting) solved all great problems!!
Those innocent people who got jailed, whose innocent parents died due to legal terrorism, whose innocent sister can not be married because of multiple criminal lawsuits against her, have got nothing more to lose. Today, they take time out of their "multiple court cases" to help and advise those are abused but not yet 498aed. But, they will do everything to bring to book all those people who have lied or are lying all along.

30) Hate women and show them what they really are.That is nothing without men.


Accidents can happen to anyone. 498a also happens to anyone (including feminists, gender sensitivities people, male feminists, judges, police officials, politicians, actors, techies). There were 50,700 cases of 498a with every case has an average 4 people accused. Judges tell that one in six case is genuine. Even in the study done by Feminist NGO csrindia.org 10% women admitted to filing false cases. How many more are there who did not admit? Regarding CSRINDIA, "We can always ask a wolf to tell how many lambs it has eaten." Even six percent comes out to be 3000 cases (12000 innocent people) per year. www.csrindia.org campions for retaining 498a as it is (arrest of sisters, mothers, old/sick, children and men) without investigation).

The laws of Gorky can also be found here.
http://togetherweband.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/the-laws-of-maksim-gorky/

Facts that Sumanth conveniently ignored.................

Per the Andhravilas reportsAndhravilas reports,( http://andhravilas.com/movienews.asp?id=33611) the first husband of Grihalakshmi, -- "Venu Prasad to come to her house and ask her parents formally for her hand in marriage. Only then did he come to know that she was a very rich person. He thought it would be impossible to attain her, so he fell in love with a colleague Leela and married her 2 years back." (para 5)

1) So even Venu married his own colleague which is ILLEGAL.
Wasn't Leela kept in the dark too?
Is she not traumatized too?
Was she not cheated?
Is she not at the end of a raw deal?

2 )Also Prashanth is a famous south Indian actor. When he was getting married to Grihalaksmi in 2005 it was a big fat Indian wedding pictures splashed all over the media and internet.
Where was this mysterious caller who so mysteriously called Prashanth a few weeks back with the vital information?
Why did he not spill the beans on Grihalaksmi 2 years back?
Why did this mysterious caller wait for 2 years?

3) Grihalaksmi was very well aware that she was marrying a famous south Indian actor. Keeping her previous wedding a secret was a big risk and a risk she may not want to take and did not take ( after all there are many mysterious callers doing the rounds huh??)
** something that does not sound right , is not is never true***.
She was first married in 1998 ..that tooo for so many years. It would not have been rational for her to hide this fact. She ought to have told him this fact. She did tell him this.


I say she did disclose this fact to her current husband Prashanth . He was marrying a rich well to do girl.

Prashanth a famous sounth Indian actor could have married any other famous south Indian actress But no her married Grihalaksmi for reasons best known to him.

4) Per the article above "Narayanan Venu Prasad ( first husband) turned up at the All Women's Police Station in Mambalam" .
Is he not at risk of cheating and hiding the fact from his current wife Leela??
It seems like that his current wife Leela is well aware of this fact and also seems like he and Grihalaksmi both parted ways a few years back knowing fully well that they were married and not divorced and but did not care about it.

5) For a few minutes let us say assume that Prashanth indeed knew about his wife's past wedding. And now after all this chaos and dowry case...what does one expect Prashanth to do? Say that he knew about the past wedding. Obviously NOT! He will obviously deny it now. The reason---he wants to protect himself and his family and he will logically and obviously counter attack his wife too so that her case weakens and say that she hid this fact from him deliberately and cheated. Thus she will loose credibility and her case will seem false.

6)Also with this assumption that he knew about her past, it could also be that he instead blackmailed his wife for dowry knowing fully well that she had done something illegal and thus harassed her. Grihalaksmi being fed up with this torture and blackmail might have thus left him that too while she was pregnant.

7) Prashanth merely received an anonymous call and he was able to track down his wife's past, where she got married, to whom , which date, year and month etc etc. I How did he get the leads. There are a thousands of courts and lacs of people get married.

8) And hey even amongst bollywood, tollywood etc actors marrying multiple times without a divorce is a DONE thing ( though illiegal). Look at Dharmendra, Sridevi, Rekha, Boney Kapoor, Gemini Ganesan and many many more. How conveniently they have bypassed the laws?

I am not trying to defend Grihalaksmi but merely want to put across that I sense even Prashanth was well aware that he was marrying someone who was already married ( whatever his reasons were). Merely acting innocent now and claiming that his wife cheated on him does not imply that he has been implicated in a false dowry case. He tooo has been party to the illegal act being fully aware.

There is more to it than meets the eye.

Facts that Sumanth conveniently ignored.................

Per the Andhravilas reports ,( http://andhravilas.com/movienews.asp?id=33611) the first husband of Grihalakshmi, -- "Venu Prasad to come to her house and ask her parents formally for her hand in marriage. Only then did he come to know that she was a very rich person. He thought it would be impossible to attain her, so he fell in love with a colleague Leela and married her 2 years back." (para 5)

1) So even Venu married his own colleague which is ILLEGAL.
Wasn't Leela kept in the dark too?
Is she not traumatized too?
Was she not cheated?
Is she not at the end of a raw deal?

2 )Also Prashanth is a famous south Indian actor. When he was getting married to Grihalaksmi in 2005 it was a big fat Indian wedding pictures splashed all over the media and internet.
Where was this mysterious caller who so mysteriously called Prashanth a few weeks back with the vital information?
Why did he not spill the beans on Grihalaksmi 2 years back?
Why did this mysterious caller wait for 2 years?

3) Grihalaksmi was very well aware that she was marrying a famous south Indian actor. Keeping her previous wedding a secret was a big risk and a risk she may not want to take and did not take ( after all there are many mysterious callers doing the rounds huh??)
** something that does not sound right , is not is never true***.
She was first married in 1998 ..that tooo for so many years. It would not have been rational for her to hide this fact. She ought to have told him this fact. She did tell him this.


I say she did disclose this fact to her current husband Prashanth . He was marrying a rich well to do girl.

Prashanth a famous sounth Indian actor could have married any other famous south Indian actress But no her married Grihalaksmi for reasons best known to him.

4) Per the article above "Narayanan Venu Prasad ( first husband) turned up at the All Women's Police Station in Mambalam" .
Is he not at risk of cheating and hiding the fact from his current wife Leela??
It seems like that his current wife Leela is well aware of this fact and also seems like he and Grihalaksmi both parted ways a few years back knowing fully well that they were married and not divorced and but did not care about it.

5) For a few minutes let us say assume that Prashanth indeed knew about his wife's past wedding. And now after all this chaos and dowry case...what does one expect Prashanth to do? Say that he knew about the past wedding. Obviously NOT! He will obviously deny it now. The reason---he wants to protect himself and his family and he will logically and obviously counter attack his wife too so that her case weakens and say that she hid this fact from him deliberately and cheated. Thus she will loose credibility and her case will seem false.

6)Also with this assumption that he knew about her past, it could also be that he instead blackmailed his wife for dowry knowing fully well that she had done something illegal and thus harassed her. Grihalaksmi being fed up with this torture and blackmail might have thus left him that too while she was pregnant.

7) Prashanth merely received an anonymous call and he was able to track down his wife's past, where she got married, to whom , which date, year and month etc etc. I How did he get the leads. There are a thousands of courts and lacs of people get married.

8) And hey even amongst bollywood, tollywood etc actors marrying multiple times without a divorce is a DONE thing ( though illiegal). Look at Dharmendra, Sridevi, Rekha, Boney Kapoor, Gemini Ganesan and many many more. How conveniently they have bypassed the laws?

I am not trying to defend Grihalaksmi but merely want to put across that I sense even Prashanth was well aware that he was marrying someone who was already married ( whatever his reasons were). Merely acting innocent now and claiming that his wife cheated on him does not imply that he has been implicated in a false dowry case. He tooo has been party to the illegal act being fully aware.

There is more to it than meets the eye......

Observer, You have raised very valid legal and psychological points in detail.

I and other activists did ponder the points in similar lines. You can start another post on this so that we can discuss this in detail.

Please note, the detailed homework on legal points are a must when one goes to courts. When the real trial happens all these points and many more are asked by lawyers. It is an intricate game of chess.

You know, many of SIF members are devil's advocates whose only job is to pretend themselves to be the opposite side and argue.

At present, I can say that all the points you have mentioned have been considered by the concerned parties.

To Reader and Another Reader:
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Regarding my article on UNICEF chief being accused on rape, I sensed some gaps in Archana's story. I still do not have complete information and hence I can not conclude blindly. So, according to me, it is 70 to 30 in favour of Archana.

My real motive was to expose the double standards so far as behaviour of police, courts and Govt is concerned. In Archana's situation, the case was given special treatment and the police did virtually nothing.

Regarding UNICEF
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We know that many males who support 498a have skelletons in their cupboards. So, we hit them hard where it hurts them most.

In Archana's case, what did NCW (National Commission for Women) do? It did nothing. So, I had to expose the double standards.

I offered support from SIFF Delhi to Archana. Why will I do that if I do not feel that she is harmed in someway?

Regarding me being Wretched:
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I am a very small fish. There are big wretched sharks out there in the system.

Why should I follow morals and be a nice guy?

Nice guys get nothing done except pleasing people around them and making money through google adsense.

Lethal Cocktail with Section 498a
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1) The woman complains that all the Jewellery in the house (belonging to mother and sisters of husband) and most items in the house are part of her Streedhan. So, police ransacks the entire house, breaks lockers and seizes all household goods, packs them in a truck and takes to police station.

2) She makes additional accusations that her brother-in-law and father-in-law attempted to rape her. The judge will say, "bhabhi (sister-in-law) is like your mother and you tried to rape her" and he will reject the bails for both.

3) She makes allegation that she was harassed because she has a girl child.

4) Alongwith all that she calls local media which captures the whole arrests in their TV cameras or prints the story in front page.

5) If the guy in US in H1B, then police can be bribed to send an Interpol Arrest warning and then she goes to Media.

The family in such situation loses its respect in society and gets defamed completely.

Sumanth: I have a few questions:

What if allegations 1) 2) and 3) are really true. What if the jewellery belongs to her and not to the mother/ sisters of the husband? What if she is really being harassed? What if she was raped? How do you know what the truth is unless you were there? How does one know for sure what is true and which party to trust and if the allegations happen to be true then don't the perpetrators deserve the social defamation? Should lawmakers, police, judges etc wait for the woman to be burnt alive, murdered, raped in order to make their judgement?

True, some women use it for vested interests but is assuming that every woman is using false means to get money/ vengeance etc is a bit much.

Lets say the law decides to err on the side of the husband's family. They are granted bail and they go home. There they harass the girl or kill her, harass her family or try to cover up their doings, sell the jewllery, property, move, try to escape etc. Who is responsible and how does the law prevent this from happening?

Lastly, shouldn't the real fairness and justice be in siding with the truth and not just with men/ women? Maybe thats what being a "nice guy" is about and not about earning money thru google adsense :)

You ask "Why should I follow morals and be a nice guy?"

If you cannot do it why expect fraudulent women, lawmakers and other people to, right?

Prashant,

If the man is such a beast, then the solution is very simple. The woman has no compulsion to be with him. She won't die if she does so, nor the society would ostracise her if she does so.Her parents need to take charge and responsibility, if reqd. If they don't do that, dont blame the judge for granting the bail. Such husbands, don't hunt around searching for brides to burn.

Grant of bail doesn't mean, end of trial.

Also, bail is a right and jail is compulsion (Its a supreme court directive well in accordance with constitution of India).

India has a criminal justice system, which has to be equal to all irrespective of gender. Why should a woman be given a special privelege. She will have to go through the same process as all others.There are thousands of undertrials locked up in the jail and still waiting for the trial to be over. Quite a few would be acquitted, what would one say of those lost years and life...."Life is not fair".

Most importantly, there has to be investigation for everything to seek the truth.

Anon:

Would you say that society has treated women equally for all these past years to now suddenly take that route? Would you say women in rural areas of Inida are given same status as men?

Should the legal system put up its hands and tell women "Your parents are now responsible for taking care of you or the children resulting from this marriage. If something happens to you its their fault. India's law cannot help you abused women anymore, you just asked for trouble. The bride-burner didn't come looking for you, foolish woman. Your parents didn't do a better job of looking for a groom for you. It doesn't matter if for years women were treated unequally. We have now decided that its time to go the "equal" route...why you ask?, coz the Siffers say so. You have to wait for us to investigate everything and until then your abusers will be out on bail. In the process if you die well, good, once you are dead the problem's over, isn't it? Win win for all." Is that what you recommend? Please let me know, because I really want to know if this is your solution to 498A.

There are many other laws that are abused. Which other ones do you guys want ammended?

Prashant -
What kind of fallacious reasoning is that? When a person claims to be in danger, that person must be removed from the danger and provided protection. That is the first and universal duty of the society and the near and dear ones. Then you investigate the veracity of those claims and punish the guilty. You DO NOT lock up one citizen merely on the basis of an oral complaint of another citizen (who is free from any consequences for making such false allegations). That is called Fascism, and was thoroughly rejected by the history of human kind. Do not try in vain to resurrect the same using some flowery language.

Coming to the argument of historic wrongs against a section of the society - one historic wrong cannot be mended by another wrong. I belong to a community traditionally disadvntaged. But that doesnt give me a right to falsely accuse my high caste neighbor, neither such accusations give the right to any agency to go arrest the neighbor without investigation. Please do not try to defend the indefensible. The guilty must be punished, but the jurisprudence of all civilised societies places the burden of proving guilt on the accuser. Otherwise, it is not law but an instrument of extortion and blackmail.

Kris: I agree with you guys when you say that section 498A needs to be ammended. Several archaic laws need to be reformed. My response was to Anon's comment where he states the following:

"Her parents need to take charge and responsibility, if reqd. If they don't do that, dont blame the judge for granting the bail. Such husbands, don't hunt around searching for brides to burn"

Do you realize how that sounds? If her parents cannot protect her and she gets killed or hurt, well, its their fault. Does that sound fair to you? A woman's old parents providing her with security detail?

You said: "When a person claims to be in danger, that person must be removed from the danger and provided protection. "

So does that mean that if a woman who is truly in serious danger from being abused files a police complaint she should be taken into police protection and kept in a secure place until the trial takes place? Do you know what kind of a police force our country will require to provide protection to the numerous women who suffer abuse and file complaints?

I am from a legal background and although I too know the abuse of law that happens or can happen in Section 498A, as lawmakers and as law abiding citizens we should be aware that the legal system chooses to err on side of the victim, holding the assumption of guilt; it is not always the right way but think of the converse: if the guy is really guilty when do the police jump in? When the girl is harmed or murdered?

If the woman is proved wrong, a civil lawsuit of defamation can be filed by the family so why make such a big deal of the fact that they undergo public humiliation? A rape victim has to sit in court and answer horrendous interrogation about her private parts, her sexual encounters, and relive the horror while her rapist is out on bail and his defense lawyers are vilifying her character in a full court. The society declares the rape victim's life as ruined not the rapist's. Why don't you guys protest that? If abuse of law is so crucial to you why not protest against other laws too that are grossly abused? Why choose only section 498A?

When someone like Anon says something like "parents are responsible for her safety", what do you think people will conclude?

Do you guys think about this in terms of the women in the rural areas who really do go through torture for dowry? Just for a minute stop thinking as members of an organization and think as brothers, fathers, men, try for once to exclude your own experiences and find it in your hearts to put yourself in somebody else's shoes:

1) The dowry cases like all other cases go on for years together. What does the woman do till then? Who guarantees her safety for that period?

2) How does one prove years of physical and mental abuse? How will a woman provide evidence to a court of law? What about her public humiliation?

3) Have you ever burnt your tongue on some coffee or burnt a finger? Now imagine what it must feel like to burn to death. Several such cases came before the section 498A had to be established. It wasn't established without any reason.

Do you think of those families? Is it worse to spend a few nights in prison or to be burnt alive. Please tell me.

You said "Coming to the argument of historic wrongs against a section of the society - one historic wrong cannot be mended by another wrong. I belong to a community traditionally disadvntaged. But that doesnt give me a right to falsely accuse my high caste neighbor, neither such accusations give the right to any agency to go arrest the neighbor without investigation"

No, but there is an educational quota becoz of which you have reserved seats in colleges even now. Your neighbour doesnt treat you with any oppression today does he? So why the reserved quota? Have you protested that? I think not.

Justice is not selective. Guilty before being proved innocent has been the law for years. I still say that I agree with you guys that this section needs some changes but don't justify things like "her parents are responsible for her safety. if she's being abused, nobody asked her to stay. let her leave." How much do some of you know about Child Support Laws? In b/w this whole divorce, dowry law circus there are little kids whose parents are caught in a court battle. How many men in India are held accountable for paying money to the mother? Will this filmstar Prashant take care of his baby/ pay child support or does Grihalakshmi's guilt immediately free him from his duties as a father? How does her being married to somebody else prove that she wasnt being harassed by this actor and his family for dowry? I don't understand. None of these questions have been addressed.

I just want to know one thing: if in the process of preventing abuse of section 498A you guys deem guilty a woman who has really suffered abuse for years, will you be able to deal with your conscience?

Sumanth,

The points that I raised are nothing but common sense and one does not need to be an advocate' devil.

Prashanth knew about his wife's past that she was married and still moved ahead and probably used that as a point to harass wife that too when she was pregnant. When she dumped him ( the cat was out of the bag) he then obviously claims she cheated him.

If a famous actor like Prashanth has the audacity to do what he did, I can only imagine what a common man can put his wife through who may not have had a clean chit past. Past is past...and nothing else.

Sumanth, how do you know that Grihalakshmi's claim was false? Because Prashanth told you so? For all the people reading this article: please google this topic and the only posts that claim that Grihalakshmi's claim was false are by SIF groups. The only reason they have justifying their screwed logic is that Grihalakshmi had a previous marriage that she didn't have annulled before marrying Prashanth. These people don't know what the true reasons are and are involving themselves in an issue where they don't know the truth. They are making these claims only based on their own judgement and prejudice not by what went about in family court. Reports by other papers do NOT claim that either party was at fault or free of guilt.

Your name is Save Indian Family? How are you saving a family here? A child is now caught between a court war. You people took Prashanth to the press and you speak of people's public humiliation?!!! I am sure when that kid grows up, he/ she will appreciate your taking their parents' personal issues to the press and defaming their mother's character. Ironic isnt it?

Observer,
You are a [EDITED - TRY TO DEBATE WITHOUT RESORTING TO NAME-CALLING IF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOUR VIEWS].

#30 Prashant - Platitudes like "several archaic laws need to be reformed" do not serve any purpose. 498a is unlike any other law. It holds the accused guilty until proven innocent. This is a violation that squarely flies in the face of internationally recognized jurisprudence evolved over centuries. So, let us limit our focus to this one for now. You state - "as lawmakers and as law abiding citizens we should be aware that the legal system chooses to err on side of the victim, holding the assumption of guilt..."
Legal systems do not choose - they dispense justice impartially. Any law that intentionally "errs" on one side or the other, is not a just law. If you are advocating promulgation and continuation of such laws, I have no more to reason with you.
You write - "If the woman is proved wrong, a civil lawsuit of defamation can be filed by the family so why make such a big deal of the fact that they undergo public humiliation?". The sheer callousness of this statement itself gives the game away. Please understand the difference here - when a woman falsely involves a family in a 498a, she is deliberately invoking the full force of Criminal Justice System. This is a criminal complaint - and one that treats the accused guilty. What if the accused is already indigent and cannot afford a defense against the monstrous and corrupt state machine, he and his family are ruined. So, this is a big deal. This is a big deal because tax payer funded public prosecutors are fighting on behalf of the false accusers who are having petty marital disputes in their marriages. Such false accusers are wasting the precious time of the prosecution, the courts, and the police - all without any consequence to themselves. What civil lawsuits will right that?
I agree fully with Anon, when he/she says "her parents need to take charge". Why is it that we want to abandon our girl child as soon as she is married? Why is it that we look to the police and courts for every remedy in regards to our daughters? Whereas the natal family's responsibility doesn't end when a son is married, why does it end when a daughter is married? Why is it that the fathers of the girl children so reluctant to give equal share of their assets to their daughters as they do to their sons? Instead, the fathers and the brothers of the girl join the fray (in most cases they are the instigators) in fleecing the families of the boy married to the girl, using false criminal cases when the marriage sours for any reason.
If her parents or siblings cannot protect her, who will? Sure, the police arrests the in-laws and they come out on bail. If she is in mortal danger, she still needs to be protected, right? Where would she be going for her protection - if her own flesh and blood in her natal family disowns her?
These are all smokescreens - "women are burnt every day", "if she gets killed", "who will protect her", "what about the rural women" etc etc. These smokescreens have run their course. If you care to look, these laws are mostly used/abused by the educated, urban women and her families; and the vile lawyers who advise gullible women to use them - not the rural woman who wants to live in her family and her society in harmony.
Scholarly study after study proved that intimate partner violence is prevalent almost in equal proportions irrespective of the gender. If you care to look, there are several instances of women killing their partners either in person or through a proxy. The constant propaganda financed by the tax payer or charitable monies have conditioned us to think that only women are victims. When a woman kills a man in cold blood - society says she did it in self defense. When a married woman dies in an accident, people like you say, she was killed for dowry. When a married woman commits suicide, the whole family of the husband is incarcerated and they have to fight precious years of their lives to prove their innocence. When a married man commits suicide, unable to bear the harassment by his wife, one liner in a news paper reads "a man in mid thirties committed suicide due to financial problems." In fact the sympathy turns to the widow and the child left behind - not a drop of tear for the man who suffered harassment in the hands of his wife.
That is the mindset that SIF needs to fight. The law and the society need to recognize that women are human beings too and are liable to the same follies as any man. Women can commit crime, women cheat and lie, women can be unfaithful and unscrupulous. That is what is being a human is. Now, if Grihalakshmi is proven to be a criminal minded human and has committed crimes, she needs to be punished for those crimes. Look at yourself - you already talked about child support for the child of Prashant. But why didn't you ask about the custody of the child? Between Grihalakshmi and Prashant, who are both parents of that child, who would make a better parent. That is the question that needs to be asked. Not how much can be fleeced from actor Prashant (I mean the real Prashant) in the name of alimony or child support.

Child support goes to the child and is for the child solely. The question of fleecing does not even arise. Child needs to eat, drink and live everyday. No matter what transpired between parents, the non-custodian parent has to pay for the child.

How many SIF fathers pay for their child? The answer is NONE.

It is the custodian parent( in India to be understood as mother) solely brings up the child.

The father has fleeced with all the money and dowry money and never pays a dime.

Be aware in the next 10 years the Krishna would have killed the Kans. The Krishnas will teach their non-custodian parents (in india to be understood as father) a lesson of a lifetime. As you sow shall you reap....you guys have no idea the volcanoes that will erupt in 10 years or so.


And before you jump to false false sob sob story of dowry cases yada yada,-- Cant you fathers even get the custody of the child (after you prove that the case was false)...what happens? Also you guys manage to get a divorce first and run never to show your face again only to be discovered that you have re-married and don't even care to fight for custody. Also plz cut the crap of that strategy ....pretending not to care of the child so that the mother feels helpless. Because that is not the case.

Name one case where the case was proven false. Name one.

Ironically speaking the wife who filed the so called false dowry case in order to extract money ( as per you illogical theory) cares, nurtures and loves the child herself solely.

All of you SIF irresponsible fathers be aware..bad times lie ahead.

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Period.

#35 - I say - cut the crap of your generalizations. If there are fathers that are avoiding paying for their own children, I have nothing to do with them. If sif encourages such fathers, I have nothing to do with SIF. But at the same time, when you ask a non-custodial parent to pay up, or force him to pay up, he should also be given equal responsibility/opportunity/access in raising the child. You gloat - custodial parent solely brings up the child. That is because that is how you devised the system. All you women, who are alienating your children from their fathers deliberately - as you sow, so shall you reap.
The fleecing I mentioned is about those women who scream equality and opportunity and all that crap, but make rounds to the courts asking for lifelong alimony, for a marriage as short as a few months.

Let me clarify:

1) It is Prashanth's wife and her family who first went to media. Prashanth and his family faced severe media onslaught for months due to "political correctness". Still he and his family remained silent.

If the child's future is the issue then why the lady went to Media.

When it became unbearable for him, for his parents and sister, he came out with press conference.

Few comments above show society's inherent bias against males. Society expects men to be strong and protector and providers. Society judges men harshly.

2) One guy above claimed that women are burnt. Where is the data? Most of these people are brainwashed by media and have no data to back up their claims.

If a woman commits suicide, then it is dowry death and if man commits suicide then it is due to petty quarrel.

3) A man must not pay a single penny to for a child if he is not allowed to have visitation or custody rights (and if the woman has left).

If a man do not get to have the child for 2 days in a week, he must not pay for the child.

If a child belongs to the mother completely, then why should a a father pay?

Still, in India fathers get jailed if t
they do not pay maintenance for wife and children.

4) Someone claims Prashanth harassed his wife.

What is the evidence? What evidence the wife has presented to media?

(Prashanth's wife comes from a very rich family)


To the guy who claims himself to be from Legal background:
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Please do not preach us.

It is the lawyers who promote 498a. When a woman wants divorce and alimony, they tell her to file 498a. Many women filed 498a without even knowing what it is.

Then the lawyers (from both sides) pressurise the boy's family for a settlement. The lawyers often get 20% of the settlement amount.

Lawyers sell themselves. Shoot me in front of India Gate if I am lying.

These Blackcoats are must disgusting creatures in this country.

I pray for a day when no one marries the family members of these blackcoats.

I am sure that day will come.

There is no data which shows that there is rampant burning of women in this country. It is a major hoax. If anyone disgrees then show me a source where is this data is available.

Women drive men to suicide and they never get punished.

Laws have to be same irrespective of gender. There is no proof/evidence that women ever had more difficult time than men in the history of the world.


Data from NCRB in Year 2005

-----------Females--------Males

Suicides----40,998------1,13,994
Accidents---69,425------2,24,750
Murders------7,952--------26,467

Total-------1,18,375----3,65,211

How many people know that three times more men compared to women die due to these reasons? Men contribute to family and society by their life.

Many men take to crime just because they have to feed family.

It is the men who are unsympathetic to men as they see other men as competitors (for sex). So, they want to be as harsh as possible to men because they know when other men are eliminated, they will have better availability of females.

I have only onething to say to such men.
Please wait, the turn of you and your family (498a) will also come. If not today or tomorrow, it will come in a decade or two.

"Save Indian Family" is all about saving families from misery and not from divorce.

It is a patriarchal instinct for most men to be chivalrous and they feel, the men who do not protect and provide women are losers.

Legal guy of comment 30
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Where did you study law? Who gave you the degree?
Do not talk in air.

Defamation is not a civil case. It is under Section 500 of Indian Penal Code and hence a criminal offence.

It is very easy to say that men can file counter cases against women and her families if the dowry case is found false.

No court in India accepts a defamation case or perjury case against a unscrupulous woman who filed false cases. The judges dismiss such applications fearing "feminist and media backlash".

One SIF founder's wife was proven to be wrong beyond reasonable doubt by Bangalore High Court. Even after 2 years has not been able to file a criminal case of "Malicious Prosecution" under Section 211 of IPC.

Why? Because Indian courts never punish women, especially those who are in reproductive age group. They want men to settle down and marry another female and protect and provide her.

We are confident one day we will put that female and her family behind bars.

Often courts make sure to tone down the language against women when they find the case is false. So, it becomes difficult for men to file counter cases.

Indian Media and Politicians have created a massive hype on "Social Justice" in stead of Individual Justice.

Justice Must be Available to all Irrespective of Caste, Creed, Religion and Gender.

The laws must be designed such that justice is available for all.

Just because no one question the law which considers people "Guilty till proven innocent" for so many years, should we all keep tolerating this kind of non-sense?

It is falsely assumed that all girls are from weak families and all boys from strong and influential families.

In the end, men will stop marrying just like men in Germany or Taiwan. Women with their new found sexual freedom will prostitute themselves.

When females in Taiwan sleep with foreigners in one night stands, I am sure they do not ask any alimony.

More than 50% of people cohabit in many countries in Europe.

The guys who are so concerned about children have simply nothing to say when feminists kill unborn children (calling it pro-choice).

The more patriarchal a person is the more the person is obsessed with absurd convictions about weakness of women.

Such people can not never imagine women can ever be strong.

Finally,

It is patriarchy, which is fueling radical feminism and hatred. A patriarchal judge has much greater chance of denying a husband the visitation rights than a equity oriented judge.

The patriarchal persons (as some above) always feel that men should have sex and leave woman with children, give some money and detach oneself from children.

Here is a simple fact.

A woman who hates her husband or males (due to whatever genuine or false reason), will never be able to develop close bond with her male children.

Even if such a woman gets child custody of her male kids, these kids finally return to their fathers.

I have met quite some second generation children from India and West. These male children distanced themselves from their mothers (even though she cradled the rock) as they are just not capable of tolerating her abuse which emanated from her inherent hatred for masculinity.

Feminism does not address such circular issues and side-effects. Even after 30 years of the movement, it still sticks to alarmism, lies and false propaganda.

To guys who have such sympathy for female victims:

Please come forward and create helplines for victims of dowry harassment. We, the SIFF members will give you our hard earned money to maintain telephones and websites.

I want you do it now. There are enough laws. But, these laws are not reaching to people. You make them reach to people in your locality with pamphlets.

Are you guys ready?

Rajat Shamra of IndiaTV and SIFF members do sting operation to expose Doctors who create false injuries on girl's bodies and give false medical certificates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHPUHszGIKo

and many more videos.

Sumanth you said... If a man do not get to have the child for 2 days in a week, he must not pay for the child.

Thats what I am saying too...why the hell does the so called victim father not fight for the rights. He has to get the order from the court for child visitation which is so simple. And there is NO COURT in India that refuses this.

If you expect mother to just give the child away for visitation with no court order( more so over when legl separation has happened) it is no possible.

If the mother (as per your theory) files for child support coz she is greedy eetc etc then BINGO, that very time the father should file for visitation rights and the matter will settle. But do you know why this does not happen?
Coz the father skirts the issue of child support and we all have proof of that and he is a hurry to get the divorce first and remarry.

I also know many many many children who hate the mention of their father. By the time the kids are 20-25 the father's colorful life is over and he wants his kids, at that time he is all alone with no one.

Sumanth

And the SIF founder guy you talk above, he tooo is more interested in filing counter cases rather than child custody. Correct? His child is being fed, loved , nurtured , cared for the mother and her parents every single day. If the mother hates the father,that is obvious.

If he was found innocent, then no court in India can refuse him child visitation rights or possibly full custody. What has he done to achieve this. Nothing. And also in India the welfare of the child is seen first and foremost and laws support that.

In fact we have been informed that he even refused to pay for the child's surgery a few years back because he thinks that the mother provided him with an incorrect figure. What a petty thing to do. Now few years down the line he has not paid a dime NOR made any inclination to see his child.

Sumanth

You talk about dowry lines,I had called you too when I was harrassed by my ex after I saw one of your helpline numbers on the internet.

To cut the whole story short....

But you suspected tht I was lying and much to my dismay you have given solace to my ex who is not innocent. He hides behind you all and gloats about that too...

After all according to you all women who take legal recourse are 498 ***** arent they?

#46 - 498a is not a legal recourse, but legal terrorism. 498a is a tool of blackmail, and will remain so until it is amended suitably. And those who use this tool deserve all round condemnation of the society. All responsible citizens should work towards increasing the awareness among general populace about the abuse of 498a.

Any law in India should be made considering all [billions].

Lets discuss it from the perspective of women who are genuine victims ...

1> Do we have enough stringent laws for protecting Women?
2> If Yes, then why it's not successful in curbing the crime?
3> If No, then is making more new stringent laws will solve this problem?

To me, we have enough stringent laws for protecting women but then where do we lack?
We lack in its implementation.

We Indians are always laughed about not planning before executing.

Example - DV act states that all the states will have POs[Protection Officers?] who will be qualified enough and act as an initial gate for DV complains.
The act got implemented without ensuring even that.
In all most all of the states Police are directly acting in confusion and making arrests on the same line as 498A. Now states are raising their hands that they do not have enough man power for POs, when the law is all ready implemented.
Was this done hurriedly or was it a calculative move for allowing the misuse while eyeing the women vote bank?

Failure of the overall system to implement existing laws can not be overcome by making new and more stringent laws.

These new laws are eating a lot of innocent families [side effect of the law] through its LEGAL MISUSE !!!

So what's the solution?

1> The women activists, who break chairs in the AC rooms on public money, should go to rural areas and make the families sensitive about girl education.
2> The Police and Judiciary should not be too sensitive to one Gender and have to impart their duty professionally. This is Govt. and Court's Job. Police and Judges should also be made accountable for deliberately favoring one gender and biased judgments.
3> People [Husband and their Family here] should not be arrested before investigation and should get regular bail. If in trial they are proven wrong, they will definitely get the punishment. This is where the true victims will get justice.
4> And finally, the act should be modified to include same punishment for the opposite party if its proven that they have misused the courts time, energy and resources with a false case. Because if the number of false cases reduces, the court's time will be used in dealing with genuine cases and these cases can reach to their conclusion only in a years instead of a decade.


Can't we modify and manage our laws in such a way that it serves its purpose and at the same time does not allow it to be misused. I know it's possible but do our law makers have the will power and intention to do that?

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Prashant,

I gave you the solution, you twisted it, I can't help it.

Imagine the solution:

The judge sees no evidence of torture, but still denies the bail to the husband and his family, because he has been fed by mischief mongers, as all others have been, that she would be burnt alive if he doesn't do so.

The husband and his family rot in jail. The wife lives in her matrimonial home. Husbands loses job, there is no source of income.

There are kids to feed. The wife applies for maintenance, it gets dismissed because husband is in jail and has no source of income.But, she still stays in her matirmonial home, because, her parents refuse to take charge, as the burden of responsibility would shift on them. How can they let this happen afer all what are courts for, its their responsibity now.

They have married the daughter, the job is done. It was a bad marriage, so what. The husband and his family are in jail, right things been done. Daughter has no source of income, she will manage somehow. They have given enough dowry, she can sell them off.Its not their responsibility now.

Has the situation of wife improved? Yes, as you say she cannot be burnt alive now. The life can move on now, justice has been served. Let her commit suicide, die of starvation, beg, borrow or steal.
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Prashant, my simple point was, in a bad marriage the parents have to take charge. That is the only solution. The parents who think that after marrying thier daughter they are absolved of all responsibilities and the woman is compelled to live in her matrimonial home, only because she cannot go to her parental home, they should be the first one to be jailed without any bail.

Prashant,

We SIFFERS won't tolerate jailing of innocent people just because some people, at some other place, at some other time, feel/felt that their daughter is/was a burden to them, it is/was better for her to die and than take charge of her.

sumanth

I believer your friend akka sif founder is well to do and rich and working and has sane mind and in all circumstances capable of taking care of the child...so what is stopping him to do so?

Oh i get it, it will be an expense for him right?

And Mr Kris or whoever you are...what is your problem. 498 is legal terrorism, what BS is that? Then all men who demand big weddings and come on a horse demanding dowry must be thrown in jails with no trail.

All IRRESPONSIBLE men who evade child support and do not bother to file for full custody or visitation must be condemned by the society and must be thrown in dungeons withe other likewise men so that they can never reproduce.

All the women who refuse to work and support children should be jailed.

Once you take the gaurdianship of the child you better work and support the child. The women who wants addional financial support and payment for looking after a child should be be incarcerated.

All women who file false cases hsould be thrown to jail without tril .

Even in a post about a purported victory for men's rights, you folks devolve into generalized name-calling, etc., basically closing out all other conversation.

#53 ragini: could you tell us how many children after a divorce are handed over to their fathers? How many Indian men take care of their children like a mother should: change diapers, feed them, wake up in the middle of the night, look after their needs, give them a bath, cook for them, run to a doctor if they are sick? So the least a guy could do out of decency is offer financial support to a woman who is going to raise his child, something that a full time nanny would do for half his salary, right? Are men who refuse and evade child support jailed? Do you know? They are not. A woman with a child to raise is left to fend for herself, her chances of getting remarried are less because men dont want to raise someone else's child. Even in Prashanth's case, he is a celebrity, Grihalakshmi is not. In terms of just being a woman in an Indian society, she is now a single mother whose name was tarnished by Prashanth and his SIFFER company in newspapers, whose life will dissolve into the background even as Prashanth jumps on this publicity brigade which will work in favor of his career. Her child will be raised by her and her parents while Prashanth and his Siffer friends have quite carefully condemned her to a life of bad reputation without any solid proof just based on a hunch and an un-annulled previous marriage. Will the Siffers make sure that Prashanth pays child support? I dont think so. They think that if a woman can conceive a child, give brith to a child then she should bear all responsibility, emotional, financial, etc. No court should hold a man responsible for anything he ever does. We will only know the after effects of this Siffer intervention when 20 years have passed and this child has grown enough to provide society with his own perspective on the matter on who was there for him as a parent. But until then Siffers will have no interest in this matter. They will have satisfied their own need in protesting a law that according to them is being abused by all women...not some, but ALL. Such impartial prejudice has been, still is and will always be the death of justice in India. Protesting feminism on an online site is what they consider their fight against injustice. One doesnt know whether to laugh at their presumptious self-importance or dismiss their overzealous attempts at doing something they very obviously are NOT doing: Saving Indian Families. According to them Family does not mean Man, Woman, Children: it means a guy and his old parents. They are trying to save these people from being falsely accused in dowry cases without first establishing whether the claim is false or not.

This story is not about victory of any men's rights.

Is Prashanth's mother a Man?

Is Prashanth's sister a Man?

This is just an article which brings some aspects of a issue. The court has not put anyone behind bars. So, where is the question of victory?


Regarding Child Visitation to a father:

Indian Courts take 6 months to 5 years to give a visitation order. Do you know what k