Desicritics Comments on Why Bash Hinduism?

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Comment by Narayan

Sat, 12 May 2007 17:12:48 EDT

Bihari, Thank you for making it very clear where you come from and where you stand. Your experiences as a low caste hindu, who was mistreated by high caste hindu(s), which probably nipped the buds of your young life, has created so much frustration and anger in you, that you have now become completely delusional. You now believe that it is the religion Hinduism which is responsible for your sorry state of affairs. Let me assure you my friend, your anger and frustration is entirely misplaced. You have been a victim of a massive Exploitation Scam, which unfortunately was propagated under the name of relgion. And you are not the only victim, there are many more confused 'Hindus' just like yourself who to this date, uphold these false beliefs. Nowhere in Hinduism or its major scritpures,is humanity classified on a the basis of caste. This compound fracture of our society took place much later, when it suited a certain community (ies) with vested interests. These include Hindus as much as Non-Hindus. This is not Hinduism, this is divide and rule! (im sure you must have heard of that before) I, for one, am doing my best to heal this fracture in the commuinity, in whatever little way I can. Coming back to your ''point''. If your belief that anyone who criticizes another relgion is actually trying to defend their own religon or beliefs shortfalls is true, then surely you and your fellow anti-hindus must be must be feeling very insecure about your own religon or beliefs. There is very little one can do make you feel less insecure. Yes, your state has suffered a lot, due to this exploitation which continues even to this day and this also explains the religious scavengers circling your heads with a conversion agenda. But the poor still continues to be so, long after their 'conversions'. But dont blame hinduism for this, the same way you cant blame Christianity for slavery. A lot of this is primarily due to ignorance and naievity of the common man in your state. And No, I am not a upper caste hindu, but I know a few with both Upper and Lower caste backgrounds who treat me well for what I am and what I stand for.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Sat, 12 May 2007 16:19:28 EDT

Abhishek, Deepti and Aaman Lamba live in India... Carry on.

Comment by Abhishek

Sat, 12 May 2007 13:38:40 EDT

I am in India and far far away from the evil influences of the DC cabal :)

Comment by Deepti Lamba

Sat, 12 May 2007 13:35:34 EDT

Abhishek, The Divine Porky forgives you for your slanderous thoughts and violent curses. In his compassion he offers you split second enlightenment. Join his flock while there is still time. Dial- 1-800-PORKY-LUV

Comment by Abhishek

Sat, 12 May 2007 13:23:08 EDT

@Narayan, please follow the link under my name and this would take you to my blog. Please do contact me on the email; I would like to follow it up with the email instead of this public forum. @FF please do the same. Thanks. The best thing to have happened is that this post has attracted people from all places. I have met Anamika and Neeraj and we are on email contact. Narayan,Sanjay, FF please do email me. There is a lot I could learn from you all. Cheers. As for the Porky God..Oh my God! Where did this discussion come in from interpreting symbolism in Hinduism? By the way, I am a major Pink Floyd fan...but well, Deepti given the vitroilic and bad karma that you have generated doesn't leave a very good taste in the mouth. Anamika, thanks for telling me as to how confused I am. Each one of your comments posted in "response" to mine seems like "the last word". It only amuses me instead of irritating. I am surprised as to how people can draw conclusions out of thin air about correlating Hinduism and Sati or woman bashing. We do have latent feminists sitting here but then they are just hot air. I wonder anyone takes you so seriously. I remember reading about the bra burning version of feminists who enticed only press for themselves. Well you sure have your moments of ego massaging together as a cabal here.

Comment by Bihari

Sat, 12 May 2007 13:22:23 EDT

Pop psychology suits you and so does delusional paranoia. I made my point initially but you are trying your best to side track the issue. Why do you people point to the excesses of Islam to excuse your narrow minded impositions on Hinduism? Answer the core question! BTW, the state I come from has seen enough violence in the name of caste system but hey you rather sweep away the people who got downtrodden by the upper caste hindus. Let me guess you are an upper caste hindu arent you? Its always the elite who hate to lose the reins be it religion or wealth. Hows that for pop psychology?

Comment by Narayan

Sat, 12 May 2007 12:52:44 EDT

Bihari, ''The only idiot here is the one who uses the excesses of another religion to hide the chauvinism in one's own faith'' This statement is a factual representation of what you (along with other Pro-Islamists) are doing. You attack hinduism only because your faith/religion/belief has a crack in its foundation. An Inferiority complex, leading to a common form of defence mechanism known as 'Reaction formation' ''Our reformers were least concerned about Islam when they went on their religious and social crusades.'' What Religious and Social crusades are you talking about? Somebody has told you a lie and you were naive enough to fall for it. The only crusades worth mentioning were led by people who had Conversion agenda, or a Commerical one. Hinduism had neither. ''Let see because you people always use fear against Islam as reason for turning conservative.'' Fear is not a word 'we people' would use. Aware if a more proper word. Was the US 'scared' or 'fearful' of Afghanistan when it attacked it? I dont think so..nonetheless it was very important to destroy the Islamic Taliban, or else it would spread like a virus. (maybe it already has). ''Islam needs reformation which we already had and by taking away people's rights to interpret our faith we become no different from the mullahs.'' Where on earth did you get the idea that Islam could be reformed. The entire Islam as written in Bukhari, Ishaq, Tabari, the Sira, Ta'rikh, Hadith, and the Quran are written in concrete. The Question of reform or change doesnt exist. There just isnt the scope. Unlike Hinduism which is more a concept, a way of life, a hand me down through the generations, and less of written rules. Islam can only be interpreted in one way, the way it was written. ''Debating is a Hindu tradition from ancient past that should be forwarded and not leaving it to be the religious elites.'' Debating is a Human tradition, not just a Hindu tradition. It could be done for Islam, Christianity, or any other religion out there. Constructive Debates are the need of the hour, rather than random superflous comments flavoured with personal insults.

Comment by Indian

Sat, 12 May 2007 12:36:19 EDT

Is that what it told you late on night?

Comment by Deepti Lamba

Sat, 12 May 2007 11:30:58 EDT

Sujai, The Flying Pig is happy with you and as a bonus gives you 2 tickets for the Pink Floyd show;)

Comment by Hardy

Sat, 12 May 2007 11:18:22 EDT

#323....Well I did talk about Hinduisms and excerpts from its history too...I do not think we are being fair if we associate forced Sati with Hinduism. The mal-treatment of women does not have direct correlation with Hinduism. As for men and wars...What I was essentially saying is that men were discriminated and chosen as soldiers to die in battles, while women remained behind...Is not it a kind of discrimination imbibed into our culture. There are numerous instances in history, where many men were force-picked to join battlefields. Essentially Sati and such practices like (Nar Bali) should not be quoted out of context. Rani Laxmi Bia and Sati belong to same era. The draconian form these practices took, was because of lack of education and direction in the society, fall in Hinduism perhaps being one of them. Thus, such kind of sweeping statements that women were selectively chosen for mal-treatment is incorrect and the whole argument that "women have been selectively chosen for mal-treatment" is questionable and a possible hoax. There is a huge incentive to feminists for spreading hoaxes and it makes a sense for them to be doing so. Lastly I talked about some post independent statistics because you mentioned about some post independence factors which have direct bearing to status and treatment of women e.g. female feticide. If we choose not to consider post independence statistics of women to analyze Hinduism for some reason, we should refrain from correlating post independent factors with Hinduisms as well. I shall try to put across my perspective w.r.t. female feticide in another post. However I admit female feticide (which surpasses all religious boundaries) poses a grave threat to our society.

Comment by Indian

Sat, 12 May 2007 11:06:35 EDT

Sujai, Why act smart when I am not? I probably learned that from you. I promise I will start using late on night, definitely. While I am at it, maybe I can also mix up to, too and two, and also use apostrophe for plurals. Deepti, >>Typical misdirection is a weak form of argument.??? Are you missing a punctuation point in there? Seriously, the English 101

Comment by Sujai

Sat, 12 May 2007 10:17:38 EDT

#332: Why act smart when you are not? 'After being out late on night, he invited Linda to his room.' Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_McDermott From Nancy Rhyne's MORE TALES OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA LOWCOUNTRY Late on night, after attending a ball at the St. Cecilia Society, Alice became ill. Link: Link The debate came to a head late on night of 26 June, when the Dutch and Tanzanian Ministers presented a five paragraph text on financial issues for the political statement. http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/pol-cn.htm --- You try to use 'English 101' that happens to be American terminology. So, how come you are not aware of the American grammar which allows 'late on night'?

Comment by Deepti Lamba

Sat, 12 May 2007 10:08:24 EDT

Typical misdirection is a weak form of argument. Your lob shot needs work- you are missing the wood for the trees.

Comment by Indian

Sat, 12 May 2007 10:05:41 EDT

I don't think anyone here wants to know what you did with a pig late at night, Deepti. To each his/her own :) BTW "late on night"?? Really??? I recommend English 101 :):)

Comment by Sujai

Sat, 12 May 2007 10:03:41 EDT

Correction: In #323, 'CONTEND' should be replaced by 'CONTEND AGAINST'.

Comment by Sujai

Sat, 12 May 2007 09:59:13 EDT

Narayan: Especially when an Pro Islamist is criticizing Idol worshipping. Who is criticizing Idol worshiping?

Comment by Bihari

Sat, 12 May 2007 09:40:09 EDT

Narayan, the only ~~idiot~~ here is the one who uses the excesses of another religion to hide the chauvinism in one's own faith. Our reformers were least concerned about Islam when they went on their religious and social crusades. Why then are your panties getting all wedged up? Let see because you people always use fear against Islam as reason for turning conservative. Good luck to you and your paranoid tribe. Most of us Hindus prefer to enjoy the freedom of loving which ever god or goddess we identify with and have our own way of expressing the beauty that is Hinduism. Islam needs reformation which we already had and by taking away people's rights to interpret our faith we become no different from the mullahs. If someone projects it incorrectly you have the right to debate and show them the errors in their thinking. Debating is a Hindu tradition from ancient past that should be forwarded and not leaving it to be the religious elites.

Comment by Imran

Sat, 12 May 2007 09:37:37 EDT

How dare you make fun of the Kaaba. It is you and your stupid religion which on the verge of extinction. Islam is a faith which is growing evey second. very soon,we will take dominate the world, not to mention a third world country like yours. learn to respect the prophet (peace be upon him)and you will be saved.

Comment by Deepti Lamba

Sat, 12 May 2007 09:27:54 EDT

Sujai, I have started a new pig cult and take offense to the term pig headed!! Pigs are divine. The pig god manifested himself to me late on night and gave me the 'Porky Sutra.' Come join my sect. Discounts available;)

Comment by Narayan

Sat, 12 May 2007 09:12:00 EDT

Bihari, your comment is very typical of so many people in this forum. Changing the goal post, when you dont have a shot. You are wrong bihari. This thread is an open discussion. There is no rule prohibiting comments on Islam. Especially when an Pro Islamist is criticizing Idol worshipping.

Comment by Bihari

Sat, 12 May 2007 08:56:59 EDT

Yawn..Islam again? You people dont get it. Pointing out how dark the other religion is does not mean we curb our own religion. This thread is not discussing the pros and cons of Islam but the right of people to interpret Hinduism as they see Fit which sets it apart from Islam

Comment by Narayan

Sat, 12 May 2007 08:00:57 EDT

The biggest stone worshippers are Muslims, who travel thousands of miles, wear all white, and in the scorching heat, walk around a stone covered in a black cloth.

Comment by Sujai

Sat, 12 May 2007 06:26:46 EDT

Hardy: In that discussion, Abhishek was talking about Hinduism as a long term entity (not the post-Independence India). My attempt was NOT to assert that Hinduism was brutal to women, but to CONTEND another assertion that Hinduism ALWAYS treated its women really good. When someone asserts 'Person X always tells the truth', an example of the Person X telling a lie will act as a contention to that assertion. That's what I was doing. And now compare it to men who used to get killed in wars just because they were men. Should one deduce that Hinduism was oppressive towards men or women or both? I don't know what to make of this. Dying does NOT NECESSARILY mean oppression. Not all deaths are due to oppression. Dowry deaths are, but deaths due to a tsunami are not.

Comment by Sujai

Sat, 12 May 2007 06:14:42 EDT

Tripurasundari: To Sujai - a pig god may seem amusing to you, but it teaches Hindus to respect all forms of life. Here is what I write on another article published recently on this forum. Link: The Beauty of Hinduism - If There is Any 'I see beauty in Hinduism for various reasons.' '...Any one living in this land could come up with their definition for a god and pray to it. No questions asked. They could pray to a widow, or a tree, a snake or a stone...' In addition to life, I also include in here non-living objects.