Desicritics Comments on A Threat to the Idea of India

Comment by Man Singh

Thu, 10 May 2007 11:22:17 EDT

Deppti truth is that God is neither he or she. Indian scriptured refer God as `tat' which is neither male nor female nor napunsak. `tat' is sexless in reality. But God is absolutely kind and depending upon the intellectual ability of devotess God has no limitations in appearing as `he' , `She' or even napunsak. There is no limitation of God's capabilities and that's why God is Omnipotent. God is capable of everything human mind can think of and even beyond. Again becoming one with God is a personal choice of a devotee. God never impose his will on devotee by like a compassionate mother always considers convenince of devotee first. Follwers of Bhakti marh do not want to becoem one with God. they want to enjoy permanent bliss and want to maintain separate identity from God. But Gyanis and Brahmwadis want to merge with God and God allows that to happen. `Aakashat patati toyam sagaram pratiganchati' saw Adi Shankara. Which means just like a drop of water merges with ocean the same way atamn merges with God. God's system is like buffet with infinite dishes. It depends of devotee which dishes he/she chooses. If Godman are really needed or not? What's needed and what's not is decided by market. Today market demands Godmen/Godwomen. Do teachers required? Do doctored required? Do MBA's required? Do politicinas required? Do soldires required? let's not be emotional and biased against profession of Godmen/Godwomen? They are professionals like engineers doctors lawyers politiciand professors consultanst stress managers, actors, dress designers etc. Good and bad stuff is is present in every profession Godmen/women no exception. let's be fair to all. let's see the market, let's see the earning potential, let's see the fees of the courses, let's see the job prospects and decide. Why we expect too much from Godmen/women? They are simply another professionals and earn their livelyhood. Doctors gives medical treatment and charges the fees. they give spritual treatment and accept Gurudakhina. Sujai, yes you will get women. Not after killing yourself and committing crime againt humanity as Muslim terrorists do to get 72 virgins as per Quarnic recommendations if you become sucide bomber and kill humanity. You will get women exactly the way doctors use women for their research in breast cancer and gynecology. As I told you earlier, your ability to observe level of happiness is the key to sucess in becoming Godmen. Just like you do experiment in Physics laboratory to calculate modulus of elasticity for different materials and then decide which material is best to use to design flexible structures. If your observations are wrong, your conlusions will be wrong. Examiner will fail the student. This is the same way here. It is foolsig tos ay that sexual activity odesn'nt give pleasure. It is foolish to say that drinking wine doesn'nt give pleasure. But how much? Compare it with pleasure given by meditation and prayers. Check yourself and follow whatever gives ye more. Its so simple. Everybody can'nt do every experiments. Ceratin things we trust whatever earlier scientists have done and establieshed after many cross verifications. same way some people belive what earlier seeker of pleasure recommended and do not waste their time in fresh experimentation. Vedic system is made of second type of seers. tantrik system is made up of first type of experimenters who don'nt belive anybody and wants to cross verify everything by themselves. Followers of Vedic system can reach upto Agya chakra (where they can control material nature) within 2 years of course. tankrik system takes around 5 years for them to reach their. But after Agya Chakra Vedi moves slowly and takes another 4 years but never fells down or deviates from that path. tantriks if reached Agya chakra level progress very fast further to sahasrar chakrra but always carry a risk of downfall. because after Agya chakra they have to remian highly disciplines and risk of downfall are quite high. Considering pros n cons vedic system is recomemnded by seers. However they didn'nt banend tantra or put never put tantriks in jail. This was their great tolerance and mutual respect for all ways to reach Godhead. Next session is beginning from coming Guru Poornima. Good Luck.

Comment by Vyom

Wed, 9 May 2007 17:05:48 EDT

Sujai at #100 ya 72 upon fulfillment of certain obligations. that too virgins

Comment by Sujai

Wed, 9 May 2007 16:28:05 EDT

Man Singh: I think you are God (not just God man). I read your comments. I am completely dedicated. I don't need crash course. I will go through the entire six year course. But please tell me one thing. Will I get women? I was always told that Gods and Godmen attract lot of women. Is that true?

Comment by Aaman

Wed, 9 May 2007 15:19:37 EDT

You say cult, I say Tom Cruise

Comment by Deepti Lamba

Wed, 9 May 2007 15:13:11 EDT

So the Divine force is a 'He'? Is Godman the same as a Buddha? Where is the concept of enlightenment? Doesn't conversing with God mean he is separate from us and therefore we can never be part of him? Isn't that a Christian concept? And why do we need a Godman? Doesn't that make it a cult?

Comment by Man Singh

Wed, 9 May 2007 15:03:49 EDT

No books, no prophets, no religion nothing is requited to becoem Godman. You exist. This is teh first truth You will die : This is the second truth. You have creator : Don'nt know? This search of third question is the backbone of this course. I train disciples to directly call the creator to come to you if he exists. People have tried. creator came to them. Thye saw him talked to him and clarified any confusions. Then became Godman after knowing this third truth. People became mad behind these Godman. They made goiod money, they enjoyed royal worldly life as well. Therefore no confusion. Any religion follwoers can come, athiests also can come and have a look at creator. Enjoyyy friends. But unfortunately I don'nt have crash courses. But course is free.

Comment by Aaman

Wed, 9 May 2007 15:03:06 EDT

Is your website up yet? You cannot be a godman without a website nowadays. What's your USP?

Comment by Man Singh

Wed, 9 May 2007 14:58:30 EDT

Indian systems never put a fixed fees for Guru dakhina. It always depends on shradda of the diciple. Our forfathers distributed invaluable welath of knowledge just for 2 handfull of grains as Bhikhsa. Religion is opium. Yes its as per carl marx for semitic religions only especially islam and christinity that block the minds of its follwers. In these religions you have to `belive' in God while in Indian religions you have to `see' God. Therefore `belivers' religion is opium but `seers' religion is another branch of scince my friends. Therefore , even athists can join this course. Just like theer is no crash course for Ph D, teer is no Crash course for engineering or medicine or any other highre learning, I am sorry to say that there is no crash course to become Godman. Those claim to be offering are either ignorants of thuggs (not to offend anybody please) My friends true Godman never ask money from anybody. People shower money on them. Please experiment with your spritual heritage before abusing it. We spend 18 yrs in school/college/Univesity to get a professional degree and still not sure of Job. I am pretty sure that if an English speaking youngman learns Indian religions (Hinduism, Budhism, Sikhism, jainism etc), he is surely earn more then any IIM Ahamadabad MBA. This is a challenge. Just 6 year course. It is not a joke. best thing is there in GMAT for this. There is fee for it. Seats are unlimited. No reservation. No minimumn educational qualifications other then follwing: 1. English speaking capability to speak around the globe. 2. Determination to learn Indian civilisational values I assure my disciples that they will enjoy everything best available on this earth and iniverse. they will earn the most. They will enkoy material and spritual worlds. Bhog and Yog togather. But you havbe to be honest. You have enjoy like a human and not like an animal. Sleep with any number of woman/man but observe the level of pleasure honestly. Eat any food in the world but be vigilant and measure of pleasure level. Drink whatever you want and honestly measure the level of pleasure in each act of pleasure. Then do meditations, prayers and pooja and mesure the level of pleasure you get. Record your observations in your observation table and see what maximises your pleasure. Your own honestly is the key here. Follwo rest of the life whatever gives you max pleasure. This is the methodlogy of my training people in godmanship. Now please let me know what way this scinetific methodlogy is an opium? Let's use our own mind and never listen to what gangs of Mao, marx, macaulye and Mohamemd call names to Us and our civilisation. This civilisation respects everybody but respects itself as well. Indians have forgot this second part of my previous senstence. We respect all women and mothers of others. But we somehow try to ignore our own mother and always believe those who try to demonise our mother ion place bravely challenging them. may be due 1000 years of slavery has left some permananet marks of terror on our mind. Ohh Indians of all religion, arise awake and not stop till your mother is als equally respected along with others'. tell me some suitable dates when should I start my course to Godmanship.

Comment by Sujai

Tue, 8 May 2007 14:31:28 EDT

OK. Man Singh- Aaman's offer is more tempting! You need to come up with some crash courses!

Comment by Deepti Lamba

Tue, 8 May 2007 14:19:39 EDT

Make sure you have a holy book and a marketing fellow and of course a visa to US;)

Comment by Aaman

Tue, 8 May 2007 14:18:11 EDT

My course only takes two hours and can be delivered over the Internets - beat that, Man Singh. Better yet, send Rs 2000/- in unmarked bills to my P.O.Box.#4234

Comment by Sujai

Tue, 8 May 2007 14:16:21 EDT

I am joining Man Singh's cult right away. I want to become a Godman in six years. I am enlightened. All you atheists, burn in Hell!

Comment by Balaji

Tue, 8 May 2007 14:13:51 EDT

religion is the opium. what more do u expect from opium aaman? it's doing its job honestly and seriously.

Comment by Aaman

Tue, 8 May 2007 14:03:58 EDT

You're serious, aren't you?

Comment by Man Singh

Tue, 8 May 2007 13:50:36 EDT

Anybody doing good work should be appreicated. Anybody doing bad should be punished. Therefore no person is absolutely good and none is absolutely bad. It is time space and environment that decide the sate of goodness or beadness wrt to some acts of a creatures. Hindu scriptures stress these three words Desh(Space or place or country), Kaal (Time) and paristhiti(circumestances) and that's why Hindus are the most liberal and humanistic lot around the earth who allowed a Muslim to be a president, a Sikh a prime Minietr and a Roamn catholic the supreme leader in spite of being 85% in population. Can you Imagine a chief minister of Punajb to be a Hindu? can you even Imagine a chief minietr of Kashmir as Hindu? Can you Imagine any Hindu to be Vatican Boss? never never and never. This is what a civilised mind does dear friends. Fanatics have only two choices.Either a person is beliver or non beliver, a faithful or infidel. Either a person is Muslim or enemy of Islam. Either loyal to jesus or satan ie enemy of Jesus. there is no intermediate stage in a fanatics mind. let's expsoe who are propgating fanaticism and who are not? Increase in number of fanatics will harm this nation and increase and strenthening of moderate will strenthen the nation. Let me analyse the Godmans: 1. kanchi Shankara : is the only religious leader who spends at least some money of mutt to run schools and hospitals even upto North east of India where Christian missions have converted upto 90% of Indian to christianity by exploiting their poverty. Rest of godman's never do any such service. I never donated even a single rupee to kanchi mutt and hence have no moral right to absue the person. Government of India never donated even a single rupee to this mutt then how dare we comment on usgae of money? Did ever anybody commented how u use ur hard earned money? 2. Sri Sri ravishanka: Spreading Indian cultural heritage in 170 countrie and I never donated even a single ruppe to him or his organisation till date. he invested more then 100 crore in India he earned from foreign countries? Do we Indian have any problem if some Indian is earning from abraod and investing in india and side by side spreading Indian culture around the globe. 3. Saibaba: having around 2 crore follwoers. rarely took any money from any Indian including me. His overseas devoteed gave him millions of dollors and he invested that in India built a ultramodern hospital, University, music school, vedic etaching school and what not? Why Indians should cry on him? 4. Amma Amritanadamayi: Donated more then 100 crore to tsunami victims without accepting any money from Indians. I never gave her a single rupee though I enjoyed free lunches in her programs. Why should I crticise them? 5. Swami Prabhpada Founder of hare Krishna) : Landed in America with 17 Dollors and 37 cents and created a folloeing of around 2 crore people around the globe and invested around 500 crores in India creating employment and wealth fro Indians : I never even bothered to pay membership fees and enjoyed free food at least 200 times till date : Do I have any right to crticise such great people who are spreading positive Image of India around the globe. 6. Maharshi mahesh Yogi: have invested around 700 Million dollors in India without taking a single penny out. Opened at least 10,000 maharshi vidya mandirs creating employment for around 100,000 Indians? Shoule we abuse him? 7. Even Rajneesh: Brought aborun 2 Billion $ assets to India. What India gave to Him back? All these people might habe managed to murder few people, all these people might have managed to sleep with few men or women. So waht? Who is not doing it? Muslims preachers are doing it, Chrsitians preachers are doing it, politicians are doing it, Judges are doing it, police officers are doing it without contributing anythin g to Indian coffers. then decide logical who is doing better for India. Should we appreciate their efforts or should we condemn them? Let's be rational and logical. Let's be truly athiest and judge the people based on their merit and contribution to nation, culture and humanity and not by nasty propganda being carried out in media by gangs of anti Indian ideologoes of mao, marx macaulye and mohammed. Why we dun try to become godmen/women and bring billions of dollors to India to help creating employment and education for our fellow brethern. I am running a 6 year rigorous course to become truly Godmen/women. All are welcome. Let's stop condemning these great souls of India working day n night for India's properity. Let's forgive them fro their minor offences of one or two muerders or slepping with one or two additional women/men? be practical and grow high.

Comment by kela

Sat, 5 May 2007 03:25:51 EDT

sujai,though i wouldn't call myself an atheist,I do agree that the institutionalised religions of today leaves a lot to be desired

Comment by kela

Sat, 5 May 2007 03:23:23 EDT

sujai,your post #46 had me in splits lol

Comment by kela

Sat, 5 May 2007 03:20:17 EDT

sorry i can't call you my bro,with a nick like that...u know what i mean,don't you ? btw you keep referring to me as the son of god,like I'm some prophet or something,mind you some ppl over here won't take kindly to that

Comment by Sujai

Sat, 5 May 2007 03:19:48 EDT

badindianmofo: I don't know who you are- but I am a bit curious as to why you used religious terms while talking about me- "Krish-bhakt", "new messiah", "praise the Lord", "heathen", "how benevolent the Lord is", "biblical names", etc. I am an avowed atheist. My interest in names come from linguistic and regional backgrounds and NOT religious overtones. I have never expressed my love for any religion. Talking against one religion is NOT the same as love of another religion.

Comment by Sujai

Sat, 5 May 2007 03:19:42 EDT

Comment by badindianmofo

Sat, 5 May 2007 03:12:15 EDT

Keep it coming, brother Kela. So the world can see how glorious the sons of God are. True messengers of peace and tolerance. Didn't know Sri Sri was into all that kinky stuff. Thought all the naughty ones only subscribed to the true God.

Comment by badindianmofo

Sat, 5 May 2007 02:36:03 EDT

...when i see your type(s) i get all rabid... Understandable. The Lord does say to watch out for heathens.

Comment by badindianmofo

Sat, 5 May 2007 02:34:42 EDT

Brother Kela, you continue to hurt me when all I'm trying to do is help praise the Lord. Oh please Lord, show some light to brother Kela who's lost his way among the heathen. And bro, why the call-centre-employee hate? They're just poor kids working for extra pocket money, no?

Comment by badindianmofo

Sat, 5 May 2007 02:05:05 EDT

...kele!!!

Comment by badindianmofo

Sat, 5 May 2007 02:01:31 EDT

Why you gettin all hot under the collar bro? I just praisin the Lord. Btw Kela, can you attack someone without frothing at the mouth? Oh, I forget - you've been trained to froth at your mouth all your life. Must have been all those...