http://desicritics.org/ Superior South Asian bloggers on Culture, Media, Politics, Sport, Business, and Technology. en Copyright 2006 by the authors Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:12:49 EDT http://backend.userland.com/rss BC custom software http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-157106 Chandra :A brahman has to continously seek the truth.Me being a syrian christian is just part of that and it doesn't end there.The hinduism you talk about is something we left ages ago.You not being of privileged birth are not worthy of discussing such subjects so its best you concentrate on work you're supposed to do :) 157106@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:12:49 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-157087 Kela "See this is very complicated not for small minds like you" Looks like you wrote all those sentences before that and got confused yourself :-) Your acceptance of the superiority of Hinduism is gladdening to one and all. Starting from saying you are a syrian christian to refusing to convert and then accepting being a Hindu is indeed a great thing. rgds 157087@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:02:12 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-157077 Chandra - i am happy for you but you cannot categorise me as "hindu" .I refuse to be called one,since first of all you being of lower birth have no authority to make such claims and secondly a brahman is created in God's image and according to brhaminism a brahman is god himself and soemone who can even control god.See this is very complicated not for small minds like you.Also brahman doesnt mean priest,it means a learned person,someone who excells in what he does. 157077@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:51:49 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-157075 Kela Well..I am thrilled to hear that you are finally beginning to accept your hindu roots. I am even more glad that you wish to be a priest. Congratulations. Welcome.:-) rgds 157075@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:36:22 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-157070 Chandra - you are partially right ,I am a born Brahman,so technically i am your master and you have no right to question me.Even in 7 births you shall never become a brahman. 157070@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:27:23 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-156611 Kela You are born a Hindu and will become one soon. Hinduism is the only way. Sooner or later i am confident you will accept that. In the meanwhile I would request you to read the superior hindu texts to understand yourself better. Where are you located? I can send someone from my organisation to visit you to explain the advantages of being an Hindu over other religions. Your life will change dramatically after that. You will recognise your true innerself and get in touch with your soul. That is the only way to salvation. Christianity is a foreign religion, meant for white skins only. It enslaves you to the white skins forever. It is better you leave it quickly. rgds 156611@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:08:27 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-156565 Chandra- you being hindu should actually seriously consider adopting buddhism which is really the progression from hinduism.Look at the countries where buddhism is accepted- Japan,Korea way ahead of india.And look at nepal the erstwhile only hindu nation 156565@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 01:23:08 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-156564 LOL no thanks,hinduism is the reason for the mess India is in right now.Take for instance the notion of Kal-Yug, this belief is the reason for the rot in India,no one wants to do any good because they think all is doomed since this is Kal-Yug.I am a syrian christian from kerala,we were never hindus nor will ever be and shall resist all attempts at forcible conversions and violation of human rights. 156564@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 01:19:41 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-156542 Kela About christian dalits and muslim dalits: Thats just my opinion. I agree with you that the current situation is not what I described in my post We are working hard to ensure that all dalits in these relions are reconverted back to Hindu. They are treated properly by fellow upper caste hindus, they are given opportunities and can progress as equals in society. Laslty,Yes, India is not a Hindu nation, we are a 'secular' country. But many of us are working hard to ensure that Hindu will become a Hindu nation where all of us will practice just one religion. The great religion of my birth and my nation- Sanatan Dharma. If you are not an Hindu, I would sincerely request you to quickly adopt this religion. Your life and outlook to it will change dramatically. Donot resist it. rgds 156542@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 01:08:33 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-156501 Chandra- Indian is not a Hindu nation,where does it say so ? Thats an inflammatory statement.You are obviously speaking from ignorance since Hindus are actually the invaders.This country belongs to the Dalits who are essentially pagans and are not really hindus.Dalits Muslims?christians are rightly entitled to reservation if there are to be any.ANyways as a christian why should i bear the burden of past discriminations of hindus.CAste is a hindoo problem why should christians suffer ? 156501@desicritics.org Wed, 4 Apr 2007 00:15:44 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-156043 Kela: if you are pro-reservation surely you would have no prob in Christian and Muslim dalits benefiting therefrom Chandra: No. They dont. This is a Hindu nation. Hindus should get all preferences and jobs. Christians wishing reservation can migrate peacefully to christian countries and muslim dalits to OIC. We can create a small budget for this migration, not a problem rgds 156043@desicritics.org Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:46:03 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-155999 Chandra- "The data shown here is from the report: Employment and Unemployment Situation Among Social Groups in India, 2004-05." who has conducted the survey/study. if you are pro-reservation surely you would have no prob in Christian and Muslim dalits benefiting therefrom 155999@desicritics.org Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:03:39 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-155957 you said 60% businesses are held by upper caste and then deny it in the next post ,amazing 155957@desicritics.org Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:18:14 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-155954 go figure out ?? 155954@desicritics.org Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:16:00 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-155920 Kela Go figure out!!! rgds 155920@desicritics.org Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:02:02 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-155906 chandra- yeah,so what does that mean ?explain what you typed ?you're the one looking foolish. 155906@desicritics.org Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:39:06 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-155487 Read this...very sad:( http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videos.aspx?id=12666 155487@desicritics.org Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:50:01 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-155484 Kela here it is in full...who are you fooling?? In the BSE sensex, 3 communities control..60% of the top positions- Punjabi,Gujarati, Marwari/Baniya...... If 3 communities control 60% of business positions....what hope do lower castes have..nothing!!! 155484@desicritics.org Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:46:38 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-155441 chandra;Clearly Punjabi and Gujarati are not castes. If you think they are, I am sorry..:-) ref #43 -"If 3 communities control 60% of business positions....what hope do lower castes have..nothing!!! This reminds me of John Kerry 155441@desicritics.org Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:23:24 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-154922 Reservations are no solution ,it will create another problem -a class divide ,the only way out is the abolishment of caste 154922@desicritics.org Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:54:08 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-154662 Well, supreme court is right in asking these questions. My only question to supreme court is if I just for an example feel Jayalalitha is a corrupt politician and file a case against her saying she is too corrupt to be CM of any state until she is found innocent of all her charges. What will SC do in this case? I am sure I for one won't get any publicity. Media highlights only what it likes highlighting (like in this case media is so pro anti reservation) . I have seen Aaj Tak, Star News, NDTV etc nnoone supports the other side of this anti reservation. My only question is why? There are two sides of every coin and I think we need to shed our pride and look at the other side. 154662@desicritics.org Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:48:08 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-154658 Well, supreme court is right in asking these questions. My only question to supreme court is if I just for an example feel Jayalalitha is a corrupt politician and file a case against her saying she is too corrupt to be CM of any state until she is found innocent of all her charges. What will SC do in this case? I am sure I for one won't get any publicity. Media highlights only what it likes highlighting (like in this case media is so pro anti reservation) . I have seen Aaj Tak, Star News, NDTV etc nnoone supports the other side of this anti reservation. My only question is why? There are two sides of every coin and I think we need to shed our pride and look at the other side. 154658@desicritics.org Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:46:39 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-154345 Kela The 3 communities mentioned are Punjabi,Gujarati, Marwari/Baniya...... Clearly Punjabi and Gujarati are not castes. If you think they are, I am sorry..:-) Kela: Isn't is logical ?when you have caste based politics. Chandra: Please elaborate as to how reservations benefit the ruling congress party? Kela: "I haven't changed my views. I am not for reservation,but it they have to exist the deserving should not be deprived which includes Obc's" Chandra:This reminds me of John Kerry " I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" Tell me something. What would your solution be so that all all castes benefit equally. And I mean specific actionables as opposed to saying "improve primary education" which is very generic. 154345@desicritics.org Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:20:07 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-154313 Abolish the caste system,simple as that.Reservations doesn't abolish caste it even create class conflict. But if reservations are to stay the deserving should not be deprived. as regards - "Kela: you said 60% businesses were in the hand of marwaris and other upper castes so its a logical conclusion they'll be doing all the employing Chandra: No I did not say this" ref post #43 "If 3 communities control 60% of business positions....what hope do lower castes have..nothing!!! " Kela: reservations are politically motivated Chandra: Prove this!!! Isn't is logical ?when you have caste based politics. Chandra: Great, so why do you also say "No need for Reservation"???????........ i said reservations exist on that pretext ,i wasn't justifying it. I haven't changed my views.I am not for reservation,but it they have to exist the deserving should not be deprived which includes Obc's 154313@desicritics.org Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:19:07 EDT http://desicritics.org/2007/03/30/143603.php#comment-154309 Kela Chandra: " Good. So that means it does not really matter if we have reservations isn't it?" kela:yes Chandra: So whats the whole point of the debate then?:-) You start of by saying you support reservation and then you end by saying you dont. Here..let me quote you "I'm not too keen on reservation in professional stuides either but unless caste system is abolished there seems to be no way out" "No way out" Then you say "And the fact that now we live in a free country everyone should be given freedom to choose his profession.So there's actually no need of reservation" "No need for Reservation" How can you move from "no way out" to "no need for reservation" in a span of few posts? Kela: reservations are politically motivated Chandra: Prove this!!! Kela: a very senior member on a debate on NDTV. Chandra: Who? Kela: you said 60% businesses were in the hand of marwaris and other upper castes so its a logical conclusion they'll be doing all the employing Chandra: No I did not say this Kela: Reservations exist due to societal reasons not economic,low castes are not given respect and treated like shit much like apartheid Chandra: Great, so why do you also say "No need for Reservation"???????............ You have changed your view multiple times. Forget it. I will get confused after sometime :-) rfds 154309@desicritics.org Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:09:14 EDT