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Anand Jon Alexander, A Designer Rapist

March 15, 2007
Amrita Rajan

Anand Jon Alexander. Do you recognize the name? You will by the time you finish reading this.

The 33-year-old India born fashion designer, who made it to Newsweek's list of people to watch out for (Ha! The irony!) in 2007, has shifted residence from Beverly Hills to an L.A. county jail where he awaits bail on multiple charges of rape and assault on a minor.
anad_jon_accused_of_rape
According to TMZ.com, the alleged incidents (featuring at least three separate victims) occurred between October, 2004 and March 5, 2007. And if the comments section of their report is something to go by, nobody who knows Alexander should be surprised.

I interned for him so I know what a perverted creep he is, so I KNOW he did it ! He has major issues with his ego and if you don't accept his flirting then he gets very mean quick. He trys [sic] to take advantage of young wannabe fashion designers and models,
says one poster. Another, who will only say that she knows him personally, says pretty much the same thing.

This isn't Alexander's first brush with the law. A TMZ update says that Alexander got off with a three-year probation sentence in 2003 when he was accused of committing lewd acts on a child. The judge ordered him to stay away from kids under 18; an order he apparently mistook for a request because one of his latest victims is 15 years old. The same report carries the following quote from Alexander's lawyer:

My predecessor counsel [previous lawyer] did an excellent job of exposing the overcharged complaint and by doing so resolved the case for a low grade non-priorable, non-registerable, non-admissible plea of no contest, which was expunged and set aside by the court we are in now. At no time did the DA's office or the police ever disclose to the court any violations of any law during his three-year summary informal probation, which includes the 2004 incident to which he has now been charged for.

Alexander has some prominent Indian connections: his mother is the elder sister of Malayalam vocal artist Yesudas's wife and is well-known in Cochin where she ran a beauty salon for many years. His sister Sanjana Jon is a New York based fashion designer who made her debut at the 2006 New York Fashion Week. She also came to India with Miss Universe Zuleyka Rivera in 2006 as part of an AIDS awareness campaign. Looks like she should've started at home.

ParisH and Anand Jon
Alexander himself planned to bring his Fall 2007 collection to India this year ("Anand Jon has a unique talent for blending the spiritual with the chic") and had reportedly talked good friend Paris Hilton into making an appearance.

Wait! Wait! 'Good friend Paris Hilton'? Who're his other friends? Well, Michelle Rodriguez, the morose jailbird who got kicked off Lost and the always entertaining, often indecipherable Paula Abdul are some of the other names mentioned.

If that's the crowd he's running around with, I'm not surprised to find him cooling his heels in jail on a $1, 365, 000 bond while police search for an accomplice who apparently helped bro out by holding one of the alleged victims down while he raped her.

Nice. Creep me out some more, why don't you? Not that he's going to get the chance - at least, not if the immigration authorities have anything to say about it.

If convicted and handed the maximum sentence, Alexander can design overpriced jeans from prison... for the rest of his life.

Updates:
Anand Jon's Family Stands by Him
More Allegations


Amrita Rajan is a writer based in NYC
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#1
Kishore
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March 15, 2007
06:29 AM

I can leave a comment, but I'm pretty sure all the words will be blocked as a Spam.

#2
Deepti Lamba
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March 15, 2007
07:11 AM

So, we finally have a douche bag who doesn't live up to the reputation of being a law abiding docile Desi in USA.


#3
Tanay
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March 15, 2007
07:32 AM

Kishore, you don't need to spoil your mouth for this pevert. After all he is a fashion designer and may be its fashionable for his circle [Paris Hilton] and all to get involved in such lewd acts.

Arre these are hi-fi baade loog as they

Baadey loog and so baade baade kartootain :)

#4
Aaman
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March 15, 2007
08:24 AM

...you don't need to spoil your mouth for this pevert.

Right - you can do better, but if you do, remember to rinse your mouth with Dettol afterwards:)

#5
Tanay
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March 15, 2007
08:43 AM

Dettol

or

Listerine

decide :)

#6
Sakshi
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March 15, 2007
08:46 AM

I can imagine...Mahesh Bhatt calling in an urgent meeting with daughter Pooja and brother Mukesh..for their next real-life based philum "Darinda Darji".

#7
Aaman
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March 15, 2007
08:49 AM

...their next real-life based philum "Darinda Darji". - produced by F U Ramsay, no doubt.

#8
Amrita
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March 15, 2007
12:17 PM

Creep looks like a pervert too. His lame brain defense is that he's being framed by pissed off models - funny, i never saw so many pissed off models targeting another designer.

And has anybody seen the coverage on Indian tv? I can't believe they rounded up Indian fashionistas to talk about it. what're they supposed to say about some guy they never met?

#9
Socrates
March 15, 2007
01:51 PM

The question is how does one PROVE it is rape and not voluntary sex, afterwards being reported as rape by the woman concerned ? Just a matter of whose word to take.....but anyway to prove it in a court of law ?

#10
Aaman
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March 15, 2007
01:53 PM

Socrates, in the case of a minor, the alleged consent does not matter - it's still rape, and that's the charge.

#11
Amrita
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March 15, 2007
02:04 PM

Socrates - they show Law and Order SVU in almost every country that boasts a TV set. Give it a try and you'll find out.

#12
Socrates
March 15, 2007
03:37 PM

Aaman - thats okay because it assumed the minor cannot not and most proabaly will not lie.

Amrita - there's no real proof possible about diffrentating between rape and consensual sex by an adult woman. Any man can be accused and framed at will by a woman. Mike Tyson is a typical exmaple.

#13
Amrita
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March 16, 2007
01:17 AM

Right, and what are rape kits? Like I said, SVU is your friend.

#14
Socrates
March 16, 2007
01:38 AM

how can these "rape kits" say whether it was CONSENSUAL or NOT ? it just verifies the sex has taken place by marching DNA in any body fluids present.

#15
Aaman
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March 16, 2007
01:53 AM

Socrates, you seem rather exercised over this issue - anything you'd like to share with us?

#16
Amrita
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March 16, 2007
01:57 AM

Socrates, the answer to your question should be available if you perform even a basic google search. The internet is there to serve you. I, on the other hand, am not.

Aaman, ROFL!

#17
Socrates
March 16, 2007
03:08 AM

Just a warning to all men to be careful.....better have a 3rd witness around at all times. Its very difficult to prove or disprove rape allegations after consensual sex !

#18
Anonymous
March 16, 2007
05:00 AM

#17...It Should be

better have a 3rd "female(feminist)" witness around else it can always be concocted and projected as gang rape.

Better still have two females and have sex with both of them simultaneously, if one goes awry the other can pitch in to your favor and say that the three of them were engaging in consensual group sex. For a judge to believe that a man raped two women simultaneously would be little awkward. But you never know...these feminist if can break chair of a high court judge, they can always force judges to revise opinions even in such cases.

I am just hoping that such a culture builds up fast enough, thanks to feminists.

#19
Ashish
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March 16, 2007
07:18 AM

The idea about statutory rape charges in the case of minors is that they are not mature enough to make an informed decision. Hence, the concept of free consent is not supposed to work in their case.

#20
Amrita
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March 16, 2007
12:50 PM

Anonymous and Socrates - seriously? THAT's your opinion? well good luck hanging out with hookers coz the way you talk, you'll need to pay for what you get. Hey, that'll save you from allegations of rape too! Its a plan.

#21
DesiGirl
March 16, 2007
04:36 PM

The Anonymous bloke at #18:
rOFL!
I bet you pull the babes right in, dont ya?

Am:
Who's da creepozoid anyways? I don't mean these two, I meant the bloke who's superglued himself to Paris Hilton.

#22
Amrita
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March 17, 2007
12:56 AM

DG - I never heard of him before he got clapped in jail. But apparently my mom knows who he is coz of Yesudas and all. She was my primary source for all the er, local color. :D

Sells jeans. priced 130-750 dollars a pair. I kid you not. oh and we share an alma mater as my dad pointed out. :p spiritual-chic my ass.

#23
DesiGirl
March 17, 2007
04:37 AM

Good grief! My mum, who's a die-hard Yesudas is going to be really shocked by this blot on their family escutcheon.
Who the F buys jeans for that much dosh anyways? Tart Hilton, I bet.
Spiritual chic? LOL! What is that? Denim with OM printed all over it??

#24
Sumanth
March 17, 2007
06:34 AM

What a Pathetic "Trial by Bloggers".

Lets wait for the out of court settlements in stead of jail sentences.



#25
praveen nair
March 17, 2007
08:28 AM

Amrita rajan,
Hope me anand is not guilty as charged>hope you read about a simliar case in Britain were 2 Indians (one is a siKH) was chraged with rape(of a white woman).The case went on for 10 years and atlast a few months back the counsels found out that the woman was lying.The 2 guys wre let off but at what cost.The guys had lost everything their self esteem,career,wife etc.And the women got to maintain her anonymity inspite of her killer bluff.
Am not supporting rapists but i am trying to say that dont hang them without giving thema fair trial.If you are so interested in catching all the rapists by the collar i'll give you and eg of one in your home state
Who was jailed for raping a 7 year old girl,when he got out on parole last year he broke his record by raping a 1 year old kid.
You guys are after hi profile rapists but ignore demons like thei mentioned one above cos they are
a nobody.

#26
Deepti Lamba
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March 17, 2007
11:40 AM

They would even defend Satan if he is a man!

#27
Amrita
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March 17, 2007
12:33 PM

Sumanth and praveen nair - maybe you missed that part where it says he has a history of sex crimes? with minors?

and praveen - you can bottle up that pseudo-nationalist mumbo jumbo and peddle it somewhere else. my patriotism isnt bound up in defending sex offenders nor am I blind to what's going on locally and I've made my opinion the judicial process clear long before you showed up soapbox in hand.

Dee - but they won't coz Satan's Liz Hurley remember?

DG - you should've heard my mom on the subject. tch tch.

#28
Deepti Lamba
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March 17, 2007
01:34 PM

I've made my opinion the judicial process clear long before you showed up soapbox in hand.


OUCH!!!!! That gotta hurt

#29
DesiGirl
March 17, 2007
01:49 PM

ROFL
You go, girl!

#30
praveen nair
March 18, 2007
05:27 AM

Amrita rajan,
What is the source of your news---your mom?
I said i am not defending a rapist and i dont give a damn about anand jon being an Indian(so no nationalist/patriotic feelings here ie your own assumption). The major problem with this news in its credibility.While all other news channels have reported that Anand jon was convicted for rape this blog goes a step further and pronounces him guilty.Is this responsible journalism?There have been many high profile rape cases involving Indians(including child rape and agang rape) but why is there so much interest in this particular case?Looks like some kind of paid propaganda m/c is in working or is it personal angst.everyone is entitled to a fair trial even the terrorists.Even if you are a tabloid you should avoid charaacter assasination and publishing personal opinion as news.

#31
Tanay
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March 18, 2007
07:38 AM

Pradeep Nair:

1. What is the source of your news---your mom?
More than the author, I guess your comment here displays personal angst. Isn't it. The author has used sentences which if you read with precision are According to TMZ.com.... and likewise. Follow each of the underlined sources in the posts such as authorities have anything and you the answer to your question.

2. this blog goes a step further and pronounces him guilty I read this post and I didn't find it anywhere. On the contrary the author is awaiting for the judicial verdict or kinda. If convicted and handed the maximum sentence..... Note the use of the word "If" and hope I make sense now.

#32
buddhaofsuburbia
March 18, 2007
08:34 AM

Whether Anand Jon is guilty or not, the courts will decide.

One thing is sure, not being a US citizen - with a previous history - will make things a little difficult for him.

Secondly, if Amrita's posts are anything to go by, I reckon the inherent jealousy (leg pulling) in the Indian community, especially among the Mallus, is alive and kicking.

Bravo!

#33
Anonynous
March 18, 2007
10:14 AM

#31...those regular rants embellished with if's make a politically correct reading...

Why not state if the woman is a bitch, a liar , a money hungry shrew, a cheat, sticks a price tag for her body for making that last effort to earn a decent booty send her to jail...Hope i am emitting politically correct statement, but do not know what the hell that does not find as good a support from the feminist camp AS

if the man is convicted rapist he must be convicted blah blah blah...

The reason is simple. Feminist will not believe until their extinction that "Women lie and they love lying"...As if the gene that triggers capability to lie also decides the sex of a human.

Indarani jaisingh the hard core ass feminists says in Hindustan times column...
Indeed the well worn cry we hear from the Bench is "Women are misusing the law". This is yet another example of judges making remarks from the bench based on their perceptions, their sentiments rather that empirical data or reason.

This ass feminist should be asked, that the judges who are making such remarks are the ones who have seen all the evidences in the entire cases and come across zillion times more cases that she can think of.

This ass feminist should be asked that if you conduct survey with your chosen set of questions and ask those to your choosen set of people, how the hell are you going to not get results which coincide with your predetermined opinions. In a democracy this feminist practice is called rigging the polls.

#34
Amrita
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March 18, 2007
10:56 AM

Tanay - thank you. However, you should understand that people like Praveen Nair and Anonymous are not actually persons with a POV - all they have is prejudice and it seriously interferes with reading and comprehension skills. If they had any to begin with, of course.

The point here is not that they are fans of Anand Jon or are troubled by bloggers. The point is I am a woman and the crime discussed in this post was against a woman.

W-O-M-A-M. red flag to siffies.

#35
Amrita
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March 18, 2007
10:57 AM

um - that's W-O-M-A-N obviously :D

#36
Amrita
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March 18, 2007
11:09 AM

Praveen Nair - The major problem with this news in its credibility.While all other news channels have reported that Anand jon was convicted for rape this blog goes a step further and pronounces him guilty.

They reported he's been convicted already? Then what can I say that takes it a step further?

BuddhaofSuburbia - Yawn. Your bs is sooo old. On the other hand you could seriously believe it and in that case, I'm so sorry - but I understand the field of psychiatry is very advanced right now and you should be able to get help very easily.

Anonymous - I havent read your post because the moment I see "Anonymous" I know its some siffy who doesn't have the guts to introduce himself.

However, I did read the "if" thing and the thought came to me - If you had a brain, and If you weren't such a coward and If you had actually had the social skills to get along with both genders and If you had a life.... Would you be on the side of a sex offender? Would you perhaps notice the link that says in so many words that Jon has in fact been already convicted once of a sex offense?

Nah, I thought not. You're way to scared of women to see things like that.

#37
Anonymous
March 18, 2007
11:33 AM

Feminist, who stand exposed just like the king who was declared naked by a child in the crowd, would now stoop down to claiming prejudices in views that tend to differ from their preconceived notions and those that tend to align themselves with facts of this world.

Feminists!!!... Your ill-conceived notions of weak woman have been "PLUTOED"...thanks to debunking by men's right organizations all across the globe.

How strange...every mens organization speaks about women and rights even when they are fighting against its gross abuse against them...Not a single feminist organization speaks against misuse, leave alone speaking for men and their causes. The venal, immoral stands of feminists are highly deplorable and so are the feminists themselves.

#38
Anonymous
March 18, 2007
11:48 AM

Everybody criticizes rape...Nobody condones it...but only some people have the courage to speak against the bulk of those women who dare to abuse laws, thereby impeding justice for those precious few genuine victims.

Feminists on the other hand choose to paint everything in only two kinds of brushes...white for a woman and black for a man. If you speak against their bias, they have no option but to tag u as rapist or an assistant. Poor prejudice!!!

#39
Amrita
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March 18, 2007
11:53 AM

Dear anonymous, when you have the courage to at least publish your real name then come and talk about it. Until then, shut it and peddle it to your fellow Siffies coz I aint buying. get it?

#40
truth
March 18, 2007
04:22 PM

If you'll dig a little deeper, you'll be amazed at what you find.

It is my understanding that the multiple rape arrest of Anand Jon was ONLY for offenses committed in Beverly Hills. There are also charges of multiple other rapes being investigated by the national task force against internet predators in various other states - including Texas and New York. And, these alleged rapes and various sexual assaults include more underaged girls.

Additionally, it appears that Anand Jon may have never sold a SINGLE item of clothing in any store, any where.

On various of Jon's sites, he claims to have sold lines in:

Henri Bendel, New York, NY
Bergdorf Goodman, New York, NY
Wilkes Bashford, San Francisco, CA
Saks Jandel, Chevy Chase , MD
Kapsiki, Palm Beach, FL
Razooks, Greenwich, CT
Bleu, Los Angeles, CA
Madison & Emma Gold, Los Angeles, CA

However, each of these stores were contacted, and other than Kapsiki in Palm Beach, each store clearly states that not only have they not ever carried any of his products, they've never even heard of him.

The owner of Kapsiki's said he did know Anand Jon, and had taken two dresses on consignment, but didn't sell either one.

Additionally, at least one runway model used by Anand Jon explains that before one of the fashion shows she participated in, Jon had the girls cut the "foreign" labels out of all the outfits - so no one would know that his "original" designs were actually purchased items.

If you read the other Google news articles that are posted, you will also see that:

1. an Indian journalist has contacted everyone on the "Who's Who" list in India that Anand Jon claims to be good friends with, and every single one said that they did not have ANY relationship with him, and most had never met him.

2. at RadarOnLine.com:

"A source who has known him since 2003 says his "friendships" with stars such as Paris Hilton and Michelle Rodriguez were largely illusory.

3. in the same RadarOnLine blog:

The source recalls visiting Anand Jon's home in Beverly Hills last year to find he had two girls from Texas staying with him, ages 15 and 17.

"I said, 'I think you're going to get in trouble with these girls,'" the source recalls.

"He said, 'Why would I get in trouble? These bitches, all they want is fame and money, and I can give it to them.'

Unbelievable as it may seem, it appears that MOST of the claims that Anand Jon's websites make are merely fictional - including:

- HIS CELEBRITY "FRIENDS" - it now appears that most of the photos online with "famous" people - for example Anand's picture with Paula Abdul - are only "photo ops", no different than the hundreds of others pictures Paula makes with her adoring fans

- WHO WEARS HIS CLOTHING - no confirmation found that Jon "dresses" ANY of the scores of famous people he claims on his web sites

- WHO SELLS HIS CLOTHING - it is reported that all but one store listed by Jon as one of his "distributors" categorically denies that they have EVER carried his line, and the remaining one states he never sold a SINGLE item he displayed for Jon

- and -

- WHETHER OF NOT ANAND JON EVEN HAS A HAND IN DESIGNING HIS OWN RUNWAY ATTIRE - as evidence exists that at least some of his outfits were purchased offshore


Then what's it all about?

Why go to the trouble of staging all these fashion lines if he never intended to really sell anything?

What was in it for Anand Jon?

If not money, then what could it be that he was really after?

I wonder.

#41
buddhaofsuburbia
March 18, 2007
10:54 PM

Going by the various and lengthy posts on this blog, it is clear that Anand Jon was a bit of a Star. The obvious corrollary is that he is talented, full of ideas and has charisma.

As for Amrita, I have never known a so-called journalist to leave objectivity aside and get so involved in a debate on an article she penned. It is obvious that she has an axe to grind and is somehow emotionally involved in this case. Therefore, her editor should take her off the Anand Jon beat.

#42
Amrita
March 19, 2007
12:12 AM

Truth - where did you get all that from?

Buddhaofsuburbia - Oh my god, you're so clever and insightful... NOT! You didn't get even one thing right in #41. Does that surprise me? Um, no.

#43
praveen nair
March 19, 2007
10:11 AM

Amrita Rajan,
To tell you the truth Anand jon (a mallu famous among the hollywood elite)never existed for me before this senasational rape case came up in google news.Even Manorama(famous for showcasing and trumpeting even barely famous mallus outside Kerala) had never shown much interest in this guy till this rape case.So its that i dont know this guy ,i am not his fan and i am least interested in weirdo designer clothes he designs.I did a google search on this guy and found that he had indeed been accused of rape before but was proven innocent and let off.If he has indeed raped these women , he should be awarded harshest punishment(lifer).But what if all these allegations are false and if he is really innocent(inspite of his casanova image) and he gets a lifer for a crime he hasnt commited.
As goes the mallu saying.........
Even if 1000 criminals are let off not one innocent must be punished.
I have never seen anybody(esp the english journos) writing about Vithura scandal( the girl still hasnt got justice)many of our commie politicians ,filmstars and kottayam achayans are involved/Suryanelli case or Icecream parlor case.These arent glamorous right? and hasnt got the shock value (CBI and local police has solid proofs against the accused).If you are really so concerned about the plight of women first look into your own state KERALA(full of twisted shamless s** addicts)where women are not able to travel safely even in daytime.

#44
Amrita
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March 19, 2007
10:15 AM

Praveen - neither had I heard of this guy. That's why I started this post the way I did. As for the rest: why wait for other people to address what bothers you? You seem to have some strong opinion, why don't you start writing/talking/doing something about them? "Be the change you want to be".

#45
truth
March 19, 2007
08:02 PM

Amrita ...

I have a close personal friend who was another one of Jon's under-age rape victims.

Some of the information was gleened from online news sites. The rest came from investigations into his alleged wrong doings outside the state of California.

#46
Truth
March 19, 2007
08:11 PM

I just got an alert from Google that the L.A. prosecutor added 13 new criminal accounts against Jon, and 4 new rape victims:

(CBS) BEVERLY HILLS, Calif.
Fashion Designer Faces 13 More Criminal Charges
Anand Jon Alexander Was Initially Charged With 7 Counts

Prosecutors added 13 new criminal charges Monday against fashion designer Anand Jon Alexander, who is accused in a series of alleged sexual assaults.

Alexander, who remains jailed on $1.3 million bail, is due back in Beverly Hills Superior Court on April 4 for arraignment.

Alexander, 33, was initially charged March 13 with seven counts, including forcible rape, lewd act upon a child, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, sexual battery by restraint and attempted forcible oral copulation.

Those counts involved three alleged victims, while the new counts involve four additional alleged victims, according to Jane Robison of the District Attorney's Office.

An investigation into other possible alleged victims is ongoing, Robison said.

#47
socalgirl
March 19, 2007
09:06 PM

i would like to say a few things about Anand, and many of you may not know...

he is a caniving creep and don't think i'm naive and have no idea what im talking about. i experienced his rude behavior and at times, aggresive manner, first hand.

i was 16 when i met him. i sent in my pictures for a casting for la fashion week, it was something to do that day, because i was bored at home and decided to give it a shot... i didnt expect a call back because usually, these people take a while in returning your call to say if they're interested or not, so i didnt hold my breath. the next day, his casting agent, of name i wont name, called me and wanted me to attend the casting in LA. to make a long story short, i couldn't attend either casting. i dont live in LA, about 2 hours south, and i was occupied with other things. since i missed both castings, i didnt bother in trying again or searching for other opportunities with him. a few days later, i get a VERY random instant message from a screen name that wasnt familiar to me. it spelled out his name, so i was skeptical in talking to him for i didn't know if it was actually him or some other creep pretending (you never know on the internet). we started talking for a while, and the first thing he asked me, which i thought was a little innapropriate was: "whats the wildest thing you've ever done." by this time, i had already told him how i old i was, and he was very much aware of the location and restrictions i have, being a minor. i didn't know how to respond to this, seeing as though, i'm not a wild person, so my wildest thing wasn't what he was expecting.

he told me that i had the potential to make it big in this industry, for i had a very unique, "indian" looking face. (im mexican, but i get that a lot) he said it was sexy. ok, i didn't think much of it, because i didnt think it was a big deal that he was attracted to me. "he's 30" i thought.... yeah well i thought wrong.

he wanted to meet me in person in LA, so seeing as though i AM a minor, my parents both went up with me and all 4 of us had a meeting at some cafe in beverly hills. it was nice, we talked about all his triumphs, and the entire time, i realized how self absorbed he was, all he talked about was him, and thats fine, if that was what the meeting was for, but my parents and i were under the impression that we were going to discuss my "future" with him. he gave us this huge schpeal about how hes this industry in making celebrities and how HE created Paris Hilton's image. I'm sorry, but when he said that, i laughed quietly to myself, because here we have this heiress, celebrity, rich AT BIRTH, and this guy claims to have initiated her fame? i dont think so.

the day went on, and as it was coming to a close, he invited me, quite politely, to accompany him to this AIF conference that night. i found this a little strange, i had just met this guy, and now he wants to take me as his date to some place i dont even know anything about? hmm ok? so ok, my parents liked him, they liked how intelligent he sounded, and thought he was an ok guy. that passed. so i bought a dress that day, and his assistant, who no longer is his assistant, drove us to the hotel where the conference was taking place. the only GOOD thing about that night, was the food. i had never tried Indian food, but i would like to say, that i LOVE it now. it was around 10 pm, and we were sitting at our table listening to the speakers, and Anand decided to scoot his chair closer to mine. i didnt think much of it. (lets keep in mind, i was 16, naive, and didn't really know how to handle a situation in which a grown MAN made a move on me). he then, placed his hand on my leg, since i was wearing a relatively short dress, it was "easy access" for him. i then, just immediately decided not to make a scene, so i took his hand in mine, so he wouldn't try to go up my leg. he then let go of my hand, and put his hand on my leg again, but this time he tried to go under my dress. i think took his hand, and pushed it aside, looked at him, he looked at me, interlocked his hands with his elbows on the table, and then turned around to look at the speaker. my mom came to pick me up, we said our goodbyes, and then my parents and i came back home. i didnt know whether or not to tell them what he was doing, because i was AT THE TIME a tad bit star struck, so i decided to keep it quiet.

the 2nd time i went up to LA and went to an event with him, we attended one of his friend's (whose name i wont name) 'events' and this time it was in Anaheim. to make a long story short, he tried to kiss me that night, and i turned my head just in time, so he ended up kissing my cheek. he didnt try anything after that because we were meeting important people, and i got to meet the director of "bend it like beckham" it was quite exciting. we ended up leaving there pretty early for he had a meeting with another friend who worked for HP, at Four Seasons in Beverly Hills. i accompanied him, and the entire time, he was holding my hand, i didnt think much of it again, for i decided that it wasnt that big of a deal to hold hands, i just didnt want other people to get the wrong impression, or HIM for that matter to get the wrong impression of me. i behaved unlike a normal, naive 16 year old would have, and i believe i handled the situation in a classy manner. we get to the hotel and his friend was running a little late, so he tells me that he wants to go back to his apartment (in bev hills) and change into something more casual, (when i was still wearing the really elegant dress... ok?) so i agree, and holding a very tight grip on my cellphone, we walk the 2 blocks to his apartment, we go upstairs, and i was skeptical to go inside, but i did. thankfully, his casting agent was there, so i felt a little more comfortable. he went and got dressed, and since he was taking a while, i decided to sit down on the couch, admiring his racks of clothes and boxes, and complete mess the apartment was in. he comes back out, and i noticed he had this Shrine in his apartment... so he walks up to it, gets a small book out, reads something, and then sits a little TOO close to me. he then puts his hand around my shoulders, and his other on my leg, i was confused, so i didnt say anything, i was waiting to see exactly how far he'd go. he then leaned in to kiss me, WHILE gliding his hand under my dress. in that instant, i was panicked. i didnt know if i should just not do anything, or scream. he had a tight grip on my shoulder, so i couldn't really get up that easily. he achieved in kissing me once, and it was something that i honestly didn't want to do... i really had no control over the situation. i forgot that there was someone IN the apartment, so i immediately turn around, move his hand away from mine, stand up, and walk towards the door. he gets up, gets his coat, and opens the door. he acted as if nothing had happened, and told me that i should lose weight so by the next time i see him, i'll be in better shape for a photoshoot. i'm not fat by the way. i'm a size 3 and he wanted me to lose another 15 pounds or something. hes an idiot.

the third and FINAL time i went back up to LA to see him, i didnt go alone, my mom, make up artist, and 3 of my friends went up with me. HE was under the impression that all 4 of us MINORS were going up alone, and were going to spend the night in HIS apartment, and he thought it was going to be "FUN". BULLSHIT. when we met up with him at his apartment complex, my mom told him that he was sadly mistaken if he thought we were going to stay there without any supervision by her. he then decides to be quite rude and arrogant towards my mother and said... "why dont we talk about this when we get there." my mom said ok. when we finally do arrive, he didnt delay in getting me and one of my friends out of the car, to take us inside. my mom bluntly told him that if he didnt find us a hotel by midnight, that we're all going to go home that night, and he agreed. my friend and i didnt look our age, in fact, we actually did pass for 21, so no one carded us, but my other 2 friends looked around 18 so that caused a few problems with alcohol. Anand's friend was a little nervous so he decided to order water for everyone. he was getting a little close to my friend, (the older looking one) and i was trying to find out why... he told me "thats the girl i would fuck." i was shocked and somewhat disgusted at hearing this. he said that "i need a friend thats the complete opposite of me so that she would do all the work for me." and he was referring to her. this is coming from a 30 year old... who shouldn't even be thinking, let alone saying these things to a MINOR.

all in all, i think he's a creep and deserves whatever he gets. we all have to pay our dues in this life, and that is precisely what he is doing right now. its not even about rape, its about the mere fact that he tried to cross the border line between being a FRIENDLY ADULT, to being a CANIVING PERVERT. that was the icing on the cake for me, i didnt talk to him after that... he tried texting me a few times, and coincidentally, he texted me on March 6th saying.. "heya" and i responded... "hi". and after that he didnt text back, which i found a little weird seeing as though hes stuck on his phone 24/7 and usually responds immediately, i know now why though, he was arrested that day.

thats what i have to say about Anand Jon. personally, i dont think hes a rapist, because he had the opportunity to do it to me AND my friend, and didn't. i DO however think that hes a pervert and should never be allowed to be around minors alone ever again.

only a few people know this story, and now that everything he did has come out to light, i decided to share it with everyone JUST in case you were thinking of giving him the benefit of the doubt. it really affects someone when you KNOW the person being convicted, but deep down i cant feel bad for him, for i know how he really is, and if you dont, you're lucky, because you in no way are scarred. I, however, have trust issues with any man over the age of 18, being disrespectful to me. i am a young woman now, i know better than i did before, im not stupid, and im very opinionated, i know whats right and wrong, and have gone through more than most of you have. please dont take this lightly, for when someone's true colors come out, theres no hiding it there on out.

i feel bad for Anand Jon, but he had to get caught, and learn his lesson eventually. sadly, hes learning it the hard way. oh well.

#48
nyhottie
March 19, 2007
11:03 PM

I don't feel bad for Anand Jon, he thinks he can hire overpriced lawyers and they will get him off and he can have fun again. hopefully, someone will do something this time. Why don't other designers face this sort of thing?

#49
nyhottie
March 19, 2007
11:04 PM

because unlike others, he is a real smear on the Asian culture.

#50
socalgirl
March 20, 2007
12:30 AM

i agree with you... but at the same time, no one expects a notable designer to willingly ruin his lifes work just for a few minutes of pleasure with a younger girl, if that was the case.

its a sick fantasy if you ask me.

#51
truth
March 20, 2007
12:38 AM

socalgirl ...

i'm very sorry this happened to you, and to so many other innocent, under-age girls just like you.

i believe it's quite important for you and your mom to know, that even though this man did not follow through with the rape, under the laws of California, what he did to you is a felony - in fact - several felonies.

in fact, of the 20 current charges against him, 10 of them are for doing the same things that he did to you. they are:

1. LEWD ACT UPON A CHILD, defined as: "a lewd and lascivious act upon and with the body of a minor, with the intent of arousing, appealing to, and gratifying the lust, passion, and sexual desires of the defendant who is at least 10 years older than the victim"

This act is a felony, punishable up to 3 years in prison FOR EACH ACT.

2. From reading your post, it looks like a minimum of 3 different violations of the LEWD ACT UPON A CHILD, which is punishable up to 9 years in prison.

3. SEXUAL BATTERY BY RESTRAINT, defined as
touching an intimate part of a minor that is being restrained by said defendant against the will of said person and for the purpose of sexual arousal, sexual gratification, and sexual abuse.

This act is also a felony, and is punishable by up to 4 years in prison, FOR EACH ACT.


socalgirl, the District Attorney is actively looking for more of Jon's victims. The District Attorney handling the case is Steve Cooley, and his Deputy is Mara McIlvain. The number is (310) 285-2172.

PLEASE share this message with your mom.





#52
socalgirl
March 20, 2007
12:52 AM

truth...

thank you so much for the information, my mom wanted me to get somewhat involved in the investigation but, i dont peronally like to be interrogated, but you're right, he did do many things to me that were innapropriate in all sense of the word. i'll share this with her. i was just stuck between a rock and a hard place because i didnt know what to do, if i should say something, or if i should just let it be... at the time i was new at this whole modeling thing, so i figured "oh well, he knows what hes doing." sad times. anyway, i do thank you for the information. =]

#53
Amrita
March 20, 2007
12:57 AM

Socalgirl - that's terrible, I don't know what I would have done if that had happened to me when I was 16. You're lucky you had your mom and got out when you did. Oh, and at size 3? You don't need to lose weight. That's just a mind fuck he tried on.

Truth - I'm so sorry. I hope your friend is getting some help and sees his ass nailed.

Nyhottie - I don't particularly care if he's a smear on Asians everywhere, but I do care that he's a man with a lot of access to minors who're frequently messed up enough as it is without any help from him.

#54
Amrita
March 20, 2007
12:58 AM

Updates are now up. Not as detailed as Truth's :) but a reminder nonetheless that there's more to this story with every passing day.

#55
kela
March 20, 2007
01:12 AM

So what's new about celebs fucking underage girls ?i bet all the so called victims were willing accomplices in anand jon's sexual exploits.Everyone knows all these models are just high class hookers and nothing else.

#56
Amrita
March 20, 2007
01:15 AM

Kela - and you, of course, speak from personal experience.

#57
kela
March 20, 2007
01:24 AM

amrita- yeah i keep my eyes and ears open :) I'm not condoning anand jon's behaviour but i think its really stupid when you bring culture and race into the discussion

#58
socalgirl
March 20, 2007
01:34 AM

hahaha wow this is too funny.

kela- i would bet money that MOST of these 'so called victims' werent willing to be exploited. i'm sorry. some girls are slutty as hell and would give away their body for fame, and most of them do in fact end up getting raped, or pregnant, or infested with STDs, which basically already ruins a future for modeling. because a runway show here, and a few tear sheets from a magazine, isnt gonna get you FAME overnight. these girls are stupid for thinking that. but this is where im coming from... WHY would a "high class hooker" get involved with Anand? hes not that famous, dude, hes not famous at all in LA haha. no one knows really knows about him. he doesn't have the fame he claims to have.

#59
Amrita
March 20, 2007
01:37 AM

Kela - I don't think its a matter of race or culture either, look at post 53. But I dont think it's a matter of gender or profession either like you seem to think.

#60
kela
March 20, 2007
02:02 AM

social girl- maybe you're right,he's not very famous and you're not very high class :)
The point is many of these self-centred,fame and money lusting mothers force/encourage their little girls to get into this profession and thus make them easy targets for abuse.A teenage girl obviously doesn't have the mental faculties to analyse and judge a situation .I'm not blaming the modelling/movie industry in particular,I think any place ,where young ppl have to constantly interact with adults ,such things happen.In the modelling world its just so much easier.So young boys and girls would be better off focussing on getting an education and maturing before entering into these professions.

#61
socalgirl
March 20, 2007
02:25 AM

kela-


i totally agree. thats what i had discussed with a few people here, who are willing to do whatever it takes to get in the industry. the safest way to go about it is through an agency. if you're a tough person, and at the age and maturity level to handle situations of the sort, then you may just be ready to handle the hardships and the "true colors" of the modeling world, if not, its not the end of the world, go to school, get an education, graduate, and make more money than you'd make by merely booking a few jobs here and there, that are all a matter of looks. beauty only lasts so long anyway.

anyways, point is, i know a mother like that. manipulating bitch is what she was, and forced her daughter to do horrible things for she saw herself in her daughter. that lady was crazy.


by the way... when i said 'getting involved', i didnt mean working with him on a professional level, i meant in an intimate level, something that i did not choose to do. for i am first of all, NOT a "hooker" and second of all, much smarter than people seem to think.

modeling was a side thing for me. i'm graduating in two months, i've been accepted to the university, and i couldn't be happier. but sadly, for some girls, modeling is their life... and thats one of the things that usually is the reason for their downfall... the fact that the have nothing to back them up with WHEN they fall.

#62
kela
March 20, 2007
03:11 AM

socialgirl - well you seem a level-headed girl.That's nice you're graduating and modelling just being a side thing for now.I think thats the way to go about things.I hope you do well in life and if what you say about that anand jon guy is true i hope he goes to prison and becomes everyone's bitch :)

#63
kela
March 20, 2007
03:22 AM

amrita - in your post 53 your're absolutely right ,so why leave your teenage daughters/relatives in their hands.I bet they're hundreds of anand jon's.Why target him only ? socialgirl herself has said in her last post she knows of mothers who make their kids do horrible things.So surely Anand Jon isnt the only one guilty in this.I think he's just an easy target considering his ethnic background and all

#64
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 20, 2007
03:31 AM

Kela, his ethnicity is what got him in the limelight otherwise he would have just another pedophile coming under the grind of the law and we would not have cared about him and by 'We' I mean the Desi crowd.

#65
kela
March 20, 2007
03:40 AM

deepti- i disagree,he's in the media cause he's a celeb and because he's a pussy indian he's getting his ass kicked

#66
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 20, 2007
04:15 AM

Apart from the Desi media where else is he still being talked about?

He is stale news for Western Media, even the dead Anna Nicole would continue to rouse more interest in the Western mind than some vague brown designer.

You are giving the color of his skin too much credit.

#67
socrates
March 20, 2007
05:25 AM

its very common knowldge that women always offer sexual favours to climb up the ladder or get what they want.

#68
kela
March 20, 2007
05:26 AM

well deepthi we weren't exactly discussing his credibility as a celebrity.Western media or "desi" media ,makes no difference to me,unless of course you 'desi' media guys feel second rate to your western counterparts.Well despite what you say ,Anand Jon did appear on the US TV show America's Next Top Model and was named by Newsweek magazine in its list of people to watch in 2007.

#69
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 20, 2007
06:23 AM

I think he's just an easy target considering his ethnic background and all.....he's a pussy indian he's getting his ass kicked

Pussy Indian? You make it sound as if there is an ongoing witch hunt for Indian celebs by the media.

Western media or "desi" media ,makes no difference to me,unless of course you 'desi' media guys feel second rate to your western counterparts

Since readership and interests differ so does media's news reports. One doesn't see too much news coverage of Sudan or Rawanda. Why? Its a matter what interests the readers/viewers.

You don't see Bill Mahers on NDTV right? or Aaj Taak on Fox for obvious reasons. Doesn't mean that one is superior to inferior to the other, merely that they cater to different people across the world or society.

Thats what I meant by Anna Nicole being important to Americans but being of no consequence to Indians. Need me to simplify it more for you?


By pointing him to be part of Newsweek list or that god forsaken model competition you have shown the Indian need for Western recognition.

Its a colonial habit many have yet to break.

He is merely a wannabe designer who got caught for being a pedophile and thats the end of the story. His ethnicity should be of no importance.

Like I said before for the Western Media he's yesterday's news but for us Desis he continues to be a much talked about item because he is a desi.

Its the other way round.

#70
kela
March 20, 2007
09:04 AM

depti- "Pussy Indian? You make it sound as if there is an ongoing witch hunt for Indian celebs by the media"

no,i meant indian americans are usually thought of as wimps and thus easy targets to bash


"Its a colonial habit many have yet to break............"

you're the one who brought up the subject of the "western media's" waning interest in Jon.It really doesn't matter to me.I am reading about this thing for first time.But,nevertheless ,this news caught my attention cause it isn't everyday that indians are accused of fucking underage american models.
And ,m'aam if you wish to pursue a career in journalism you would do well to read magazines such as Newsweek and Time which are known the world over for their high journalistic standards( btw i just went through your blog and i am not impressed at all.You could do well by working on your vocabulary for starters.Talk about a western hangover I didn't know Snoop Dogg was so popular among the desi's)
And you're desperate attempts at tarnishing Anand Jon's credibility as a designer without any proof just makes you look spiteful and really foolish.

PS ANTM maybe stupid shows but they're still popular in the US,I dunno if they're watched here though.

#71
kela
March 20, 2007
09:13 AM

"Thats what I meant by Anna Nicole being important to Americans but being of no consequence to Indians. Need me to simplify it more for you?"

from what i know,Anand Jon is known more in the US than in India.He's after-all based there isn't he ?If you didn't know this you should visit his website.And contrary to what you might think Anna Nicole made more news in India than Anand Jon.It's not me you need to simplify things for,you need to bring more clarity in your thought process and get rid those cobwebs in your head.

#72
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 20, 2007
09:31 AM

First of all get my name right- Its Deepti not Deepthi or depti- Pussy Indian. It seems you love to hit below the belt when all arguments fail but thats just a reflection of your low mentality.

Second of all I am not getting into a sparring match over what gives Anand credit- his wanton lust for little girls or his over hyped career.

My credibility? Mr Kela you were the one sympathizing with socalgirl on one hand and now siding with a wanna be designer.

All your arguments are getting personal by pointing out the stuff you don't like on my blog instead of countering the points I made above to rebuttal your statements on Desicritics.

No one said you had to like my blog, I ain't out there to please all and sundry. Western Hangover? Shit! Dawg you ain't seen me go Vernacular. Bro, I kinda rock when I put on da Indian accent..but thats a discussion for another time.

There are enough people who don't like Time or Newsweek. Its a subjective opinion which Freedom of Speech allows every one just like you have the right to hate my guts and that of my blog.

Whatever man......getting into an argument with you is like braying back in front of a frothing mule.

My argument stands - whatever be his heritage or his profession if he is proven to be a pedophile he should rot in jail and the only reason why we should care media included is to ensure that there is one less pedophile on the street.



#73
kela
March 20, 2007
09:51 AM

deepti- sorry abt getting your name wrong.

That said don't give me this crap about the media being all holy and all,they just feed of crap like this.Forget western media this thing wouldnt have made any news if it werent for a celeb being involved.For instance did you know about the British pedophile who was caught running an orphange in Goa .His cronies were recently brought to India for sentencing.And this was a huge racket spread all over the world but it hardly made any news in India.
I didnt mean to hit below the belt or anything of that sort,and I have tried to cover all your points in my arguments.i just expressed what i felt going through your blog,it was an amateurish attempt at best.I like people who are gutsy and bold but it shouldnt come across as being childish which you were by continuing to dismiss Anand jon as a desinger without any proof.And I am not taking his side at all but i wouldnt call him a wannabe.Give respect where its due.He's a good designer.Michael Jackson slept with little boys,is he a wannabe ? R.Kelly was caught having sex with a minor ,is he a wannabe too ?Don't confuse things

#74
kela
March 20, 2007
09:57 AM

"No one said you had to like my blog, I ain't out there to please all and sundry. Western Hangover? Shit! Dawg you ain't seen me go Vernacular. Bro, I kinda rock when I put on da Indian accent..but thats a discussion for another time"

ummm.......can you translate that in english please.

you know what i had bookmarked you blog thinking it might be a breath of fresh air.But if you're hell bent on not making an effort to improve it i won't be visiting at all

#75
Amrita
URL
March 20, 2007
10:44 AM

Kela - from your comments about Indo-Americans, it seems you're projecting your personal angst onto this case.

Anand Jon is being targeted because he did something wrong. Put on Oprah anyday and you'll see proof positive that its not just Indian Americans who get caught up in this sort of shit.

As for "everybody is doing it" - well, if "everybody" is sleeping with minors, indulging in sexual battery with multiple women and otherwise exploiting their employees, then "everybody" is going to hear from the law when their victims speak up.

#76
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 20, 2007
11:14 AM

Kela, some time during my teenage years I accepted the fact that I cannot be liked by all no matter how hard I tried. If you read my blog I'd appreciate the time you put in reading it and even if you don't like it, well even then its okay since its your prerogative and right not to.


Amrita, what gets to me about sex offenders is that they tend to prey with love and incentives and somehow in their sick mind think that makes they perverted behavior okay.



#77
Patel M
March 22, 2007
06:54 AM

I heard that he raped so many Indian girls. No Indian girls will come forward because of their culture. This is just a tip of an iceburg

#78
Anamika
March 22, 2007
07:46 AM

Well from an Indian perspective (as in from India), Anand Jon is a nobody in the design circuits where people would talk of a JJ Vallya or Manish Malhotra so at best he is a C-lister. In Western terms, he is no Philip Lim in terms of an upcoming name, nor is he an Armani or Versace. So he is basically some Z-lister "wannabe" whose claim to fame is limited to the Indian-American media in the US.

And now it seems that he has been using that Z-list status to abuse minors within his community, especially because nobody beyond it seems to know him. Hence the lack of interest from the mainstream US media but a great deal of interest in the "desi" US media.

Seems a little ridiculous to compare some wannabe to Michael Jackson btw. And also for those talking of "slutty" models, most modern laws have an age of consent! A fourteen year old could be stark naked and being thrown at a person by their parents but it still counts as RAPE because they are below the age of consent. So can we get this right! Makes me ill - this blame the victim logic.

Finally, how come our local SIF guys haven't jumped to his defense. Seems like the perfect poster boy for them: apparently a professional desi male being "falsely" accused by "unreliable" women seems like just their project. ;-)

#79
Patel M
March 22, 2007
08:19 AM

I heard lots of bad stuff when he was in ft lauderdale. He molested lots of desi girls there.

#80
Patel M
March 22, 2007
08:22 AM

I never seen a sigle model came in his favor, please read the posting of model Titus. She posted before his arrest.

#81
Gupta Kutha
March 22, 2007
08:39 AM

Italian mafia set up anad jon for this sexual crimes. Fashion industry is controlled by Italian mafia.

#82
Amrita
URL
March 22, 2007
10:00 AM

Anamika - right you are! :)

Patel M - Where are you getting this fort lauderdale thing?

Gupta Kutha - lmao. that's a good one.

#83
ny hottie
March 22, 2007
01:47 PM

I don't care what Amrita particularly cares or doesn't care about. What I mean to say, is that the behavior of Anand Jon Alexander, speaks of his own lack of culture, which is hilarious considering he is always bringing up South Indian culture, his own religious-cultural background in interviews with the press. And I get this, from his official website. If you're going to flaunt your so-called values, your ethnic chic, then be prepared to defend it when the truth comes out. There are designers around the globe who actually walk their talk, but Alexander is not one of them. He always mentions that his mother and sister are his inspiration, but he doesn't apply this towards his attitude regarding women in general. Aren't the women he victimized, somebody's sister, cousin, daughter etc?

#84
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 22, 2007
02:19 PM

ny hottie- there is a patent line used in Hindi films-

Groped Woman: Tere ghar me ma bhen nahi hai?

"Pervert: Tum jasee nahi!

#85
Amrita
URL
March 22, 2007
02:30 PM

NY hottie - Fair enough. Hypocrisy is fair game. I gave Ted Haggard a hard time, why shouldnt you give Anand Jon the same?

Dee - :D wrong on so many levels.

#86
Anamika
March 22, 2007
03:28 PM

Agreed. The bit on Italian mafia btw is hilarious!

#87
Patel M
March 22, 2007
09:03 PM

i dated his mother in eighties

#88
kela
March 23, 2007
03:30 AM

Anamika- Are you so fucken ignorant or stupid that you can't read and understand text ?I never compared Anand Jon to Michael Jackson.BTW are you implying that because MJ is MJ ,he can rape little boys and ply them with "jesus juice".FOR FUCKS SAKE if he's proved to be guilty of what he is charged then let justice be done but you guys seem more interested in damning his credibility as a designer.WHO the FUCK is JJ Vallya anyway? has he been featured on NEWSWEEK ,TIME or any international publication of repute? has been on a popular TV show ?How many ppl have heard of him other than in India ?

#89
Anamika
March 23, 2007
05:05 AM

Kela, quite beyond the fact that you cannot spell, even when you are obviously using your favourite profanity, may I remind you of your own "defense" of the man where you stated: "Give respect where its due.He's a good designer.Michael Jackson slept with little boys,is he a wannabe?"

Sounds like a comparison! And a confused one at that. The issue isn't whether MJ is a paedophile but whether Anand Jon is a wannabe, or rather a designing nobody.

MJ has a music career dating back to the 1970s, has sold millions of albums, and amassed a fortune that a WANNABE like Jon can only dream of. He may well be a paedophile but he isn't a wannabe.

On the other hand, your beloved Mr. Jon is a nobody in fashion terms. He is a Z-list designer in the US. A designer like Manish Arora gets more press in in a week of fashion shows in London and New York than Jon does in a full year!

For the record, JJ Vallaya has been covered extensively as part of IFW reporting by the international media you mentioned. So I suggest you read up a little on the fashion scene before you jump to the rescue. Or at least start with a basic guide to spelling.

#90
Anamika
March 23, 2007
05:10 AM

PS: Indian designers don't get coverage in the international media as token exotica btw, as Mr. Jon does. Moreover, anyone with a clue of fashion knows that the ONLY indicator of a designers success and potential is Anna Wintour. And she has stayed notably mum on Mr. Jon's potential as a designer "to watch."

#91
kela
March 23, 2007
03:46 PM

well you're right amrita ,i don't know anything about the fashion industry and I think most of them are just bull crap who copy designs of a few really talented ones.However I do try to keep myself abreast of current affairs.What about you? What gives you authority to make such statements and categorising anyone as a "A" list or "Z" list ?
At least Anamika is being honest by admitting Anand Jon is the most well known and highly regarded of Indian desginers abroad.

PS as regards my spelling,i was merely emphasizing the pronunciation :)

#92
Anamika
March 23, 2007
08:00 PM

Kela, do try reading please. I never said Anand Jon is the "most well known and highly regarded of Indian desginers abroad."

In fact as far as I am concerned he is not an Indian designer but an American one who is of ethnic Indian origin. He may have been listed by a news magazine but in the fashion world, its the editor of Vogue - Anna Wintour - who counts. And so far she has said little about Mr. Jon.

I consider Mr. Jon a Z-lister because he was hardly to be seen in the New York Fashion Week 2007 which is USA's biggest fashion event. He is also not particularly well considered - or even covered - by the fashion press either in London, Paris, Milan or NYC which are the major haute couture capitals.

I would also not say that he is the "best known Indian (or ethnic origin) designer" simply because the biggest sensation for London Fashion Week in 2007 was Manish Arora's collection that got written up with full colour full page spreads all over European press.

Since Mr. Jon is not in the Armani, Versace, Dolce Gabbana, Miuccia Prada category, he is obviously not A-list designer. He is also not of the Vera Wang or Phillip Lim category, so not even a step down to a B-list. He is not even of Manish Arora or Victor and Rolf buzz of excitement. His turnover isn't even large enough for the smaller Greek and Belgian designers. Hence, he is a Z-lister wanna-be.

To put it in nonfashion terms: its like pretending that Punjab National Bank is in the same league as Citibank!

#93
Patel M
March 23, 2007
11:02 PM

Keral...U know anything about rape industray?

#94
Patel M
March 23, 2007
11:03 PM

i dated jons mother in ft lauderdale and clearwater tampa

#95
Patel M
March 23, 2007
11:03 PM

i dated jons mother in ft lauderdale and clearwater tampa

#96
Patel M
March 23, 2007
11:04 PM

jon ia a rapist..i have no dout

#97
Patel M
March 23, 2007
11:06 PM

anamika....u stupid...
jon is an indian designer, he in usa in business visa.

#98
Amrita
URL
March 23, 2007
11:17 PM

Kela - what're you talking about?

Anamika - don't forget Abu Sandeep who dont get write ups but have dressed people like Judi Dench at the Oscars.

Patel M - right. got you first time.

#99
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 23, 2007
11:36 PM

Oye! I like Punjab National Bank! Anamika glad you're back in action:)

#100
Patel M
March 23, 2007
11:38 PM

it is time to close this chapter...jon is history

#101
Amrita
URL
March 24, 2007
01:05 AM

I didnt know you were a fashionista, Anamika. Care to cover some for DC? :) We don't see much of that kind of thing and it'd be cool.

What do you think Dee?

#102
kela
March 24, 2007
01:16 AM

manish arora is a homo no wonder he gets such publicity.anand jon is a straight heterosexual man and that is rare in the fashion industry

Munaf Patel - yes i've heard abt the rape industry,[EDITED - PERSONAL ATTACK]

ANYWAYS the point is almost 99% of the women in the glamour business are nothing but high & middle class hookers.There have been enough exposes by tv channels and tabloids to prove that,for eg the Amar Singh tapes ,Salman Khan tapes and several other exposures on hidden cameras by sundry tv channels.So its amusing to see some of these women who are most probably some jealous women who have decided to target Jon cause he's an Indian and we brown skins are easy targets.Thats what i meant by saying pussy indians.Just see whats happening in American Idol lately;the only indian guy to ever make it so far is being given such a hard time and all kinds of naasty things are being said about him,like he's a wannabe -a bathroom singer -and the to top it is that they think the only reason he never gets voted out is because all the indian call centre employees are voting for him.HOW STUPID AND RETARDED IS THAT.

#103
Amrita
URL
March 24, 2007
01:37 AM

Kela - firstly, its Manish Malhotra.

secondly, you're one step away from getting your ass banned if you can't keep a civil hold on your keyboard.

thirdly, you sound like you're on the verge of a breakdown. Put the vodka away, get off the internet and go to sleep. Wake up tomorrow and look for a shrink.

#104
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 24, 2007
06:43 AM

Amrita, Anamika's been offered to post on DC a number of times but she's graciously declined the offer. However we continue to have the 'open door' policy;)

#105
Anamika
March 24, 2007
06:58 AM

Thanks Deepti. Amrita - writing formally isn't really my thing which is why I don't write posts for DC. Which is why its great to post on the threads but not write proper posts. :-)

I am an obsessive fashionista in terms of following the trends and news but not in terms of translating them into my own wardrobe. My mum was a big believer of "style" vs "stylish" and that seems to have stayed. :-)

I agree about Abu Jani being quite high profile but they DO get written about in the fashion press. They are established names. Sort of the Dianne von Fustenberg of India whose designs are respected without the press hoopla. And having your clothes on the red carpet at Oscars on a major star is one indication of a designer's credentials. Haven't seen an Anand Jon creation there yet. Or indeed on the Indian film red carpets.

Deepti - I did mean Manish Arora not Manish Malhotra. Malhotra is Bollywood's favourite designer/stylist but Arora is the one London went crazy about this year. It was slick 60s London style with serious glamour thrown in. Imagine an Edie Sedgewick with money. And the fashion press lapped it up.





#106
Patel M
March 24, 2007
07:14 AM

u r right, fashion industry is controlled by gay italian maffia. Vesacce was one time head of the gang. i firmly belive tahat gays set up jon. because he is straight fashion designer.

#107
kela
March 24, 2007
07:41 AM

hmm...abt the personal attack thing aren't you all kinda guilty about that calling Jon a wannabe,rapist and so on when it has yet to be proved.Accusations are one thing and being convicted for the crime another.Besides I thought Mr Patel made it personal with me in his post.
Anyways Amrita you really need to watch what you type or else you end up looking foolish.Anamika and me were both talking about Manish Arora.About being banned ;well i don't really care go ahead ban me :)I'll keep posting as i like.At least I don't make it personal like you guys and I won't type something just to please you all :)

PS BTW I don't drink shitty vodka,I only drink the finest whisky's imported from ireland and scotland :)

#108
Patel M
March 24, 2007
10:19 AM

i know jon screwed lots of desi girls..then he moved to the blonds. [THAT'S NO LADY - ONE'S MY WIFE]

#109
kela
March 24, 2007
10:33 AM

i'm a guy assbrain

#110
Amrita
URL
March 24, 2007
10:49 AM

Lol, Patel M - you're one funny man. From the way you write about Versace I wonder if you're a victim.

Kela - so you were writing about Arora, my mistake. However, the next time you start cussing Anamika or Patel M out, pls bear in mind its not termed "talking" or "discussion" and you and your IP will be finito.

As for that comparison to Anand Jon - why are people like you so predictable? I could see that one coming a mile away and the answer should be perfectly obvious to anyone with half a brain... oh wait, never mind.

#111
Amrita
URL
March 24, 2007
10:52 AM

Anamika - that's so sad. But its not really "formal" writing. Just a review, like. :D Talking of Edie Sedgewick is too painful. The other day somebody wrote about how Paris Hilton was the new Sedgewick. I refuse to believe we've fallen so low.

Dee - :(

#112
kela
March 25, 2007
04:55 AM

Amrita accusing me of being predictable is quite ironic since most of your articles are just that.You're nothing more than a copy and paste monkey;lifting articles from sundry websites you visit and putting them here is not journalism.Talk about personal attacks ,you've been attacking me in all your posts and yet I've always refrained from taking the bait.You want to ban me but you don't even own this site LOL , you're just so pathetic.Why don't you and M.Patel take a room and fulfill your frustrations and spare us the indulgence in these forums.

#113
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 25, 2007
07:13 AM

You're nothing more than a copy and paste monkey;lifting articles from sundry websites you visit and putting them here is not journalism

Kela, don't make rank allegations!

There are rules that we writers and commentators alike adhere to on this site.

#114
DesiGirl
March 25, 2007
09:59 AM

Dee,
I was accused of the same thing (Ctrl C + Ctrl V) not too long back. Even though we know it is crap, it still hurts.
Don't worry Am - you've got us! :)

#115
Amrita
URL
March 25, 2007
10:37 AM

Kela - people who don't have the guts to post comments on an internet board using their real name and don't possess the ability or talent to string together a coherent sentence (as is seen by each and every one of your posts so far on this board) and make grandiose claims of having a "discussion" when all they've managed to do is call other people names -

these are not people whose opinion or allegations I care for. If you've something to say, why don't you prove it? Until then, why don't you crawl back into your banana peel and hide out from all the people who you think actually care enough about you to come after you?

As for banning you - I don't have to. If you werent so intellectually challenged you'd have clicked on the comment policy above and known what I was talking about.

Shut it and peddle it someplace else.

#116
Amrita
URL
March 25, 2007
10:41 AM

Dee - thanks :) Kela's moonshine is acting up.

DG - thanks babe. I've the hide of a rhino though and I don't cater to inefficient trolls like banana peel above.

#117
Aaman
URL
March 25, 2007
11:10 AM

Jon, come write for us - read this and mail me.

#118
Amrita
URL
March 25, 2007
11:23 AM

Aaman - wrong board :) He's on the Sanjaya post

#119
kela
March 25, 2007
12:10 PM

Amrita I don't know if your intention is humour here since i find your comments really amusing.You are now actually accusing me of everything I said you were guilty of lol,this is hilarious.You are the one going around dissing people like Anand Jon and Sanjaya Malakar as wannabes without any proof which actually amounts to libel.Contrary to what you might think Sanjaya has made it to where he is right now not by any freak of luck but purely on his own talent.Do you Ms Amrita have any idea about singing ? What gives you the authority to make disparaging remarks on Sanjaya's abilities? Well i could go on about this but i guess there's no point since this is obviously beyond you and you just prefer hitting below the belt and make rude personal remarks.
BTW if you need my name and address i will gladly give it to you .

#120
kela
March 25, 2007
12:12 PM

amrita you are actually quite witty when you are your original self I'll give you that :)

#121
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 25, 2007
01:00 PM

Amrita, its called the spank and caress affect:)

#122
kela
March 25, 2007
01:11 PM

deepti ur funny too :)

#123
kela
March 25, 2007
01:14 PM

deepti i won't say anything,i've been reading your blog he he

#124
kela
March 25, 2007
01:15 PM

spank and caress sounds more proper i think :)

#125
kela
March 25, 2007
01:16 PM

*effect

#126
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 25, 2007
01:21 PM

Yeah, I stand corrected- effect!

#127
Amrita
URL
March 26, 2007
01:04 AM

Kela - I was going to smack you back into your itty bitty banana peel but then I heard you were a member of the Soul Patrol and realized that its not your fault you're the way you are.

I'm still waiting for you provide a link to back up your allegations btw. Nice try trying to skate out of that one.

And as for your name and address - its very easy to SAY that, but not so easy to do it. So why don't you? Here's an open board. Go ahead.

Dee - you've got a fan :D

#128
Aaman
URL
March 26, 2007
01:53 AM

We'd edit out Kela's address so as to not cause any slip-ups on the banana peel of privacy.

#129
kela
March 26, 2007
01:57 AM

Amrita- i'm not a member of anything,i'm a free-spirit and i like it that way :)
that name and address thing is a tired argument don't you think ? especially when you guys have my ip address and I dont use a proxy server :)
btw what are you talking about as regards me having to back up with links ? all comments i made were with regard to your posts.

#130
Amrita
URL
March 26, 2007
02:00 AM

Kela - the word you're looking for is T-R-O-L-L not free spirit.

pls refer to 112 for the rest.

#131
Amrita
URL
March 26, 2007
02:01 AM

Aaman - hey, he's the one who offered. Although not any more I notice. bleh.

#132
kela
March 26, 2007
02:39 AM

[IRRELEVANT RACIST CRAP]

#133
kela
March 26, 2007
05:50 AM

pfft

#134
Anand Menon
March 26, 2007
12:52 PM

133 Comments !WOW!.....and still going strong!

Ms Amrita Rajan must be thrilled....this post has all the ingredients..amongst other things...designer rapists,italian mafia,wannabe singers,nubile nymphets,moms and sisters,rank allegations,Punjab National Bank,cut and paste monkeys,overpriced jeans,Mahesh Bhatt,bad spelling,Dettol ,Listerine and last but not least one very slippery never say die kela:)))...phewwwww.

And now there's me in this rich stew.....no need to sample Prem Koshy's tepid, overrated,overpriced,stuff anymore.

Right!....after all this excitement a nuanced stand is not going to be entirely popular...but here goes...


Comments by Ms Amrita and response:
1."Anand Jon Alexander, A Designer Rapist(Headline)..."

Praveen did say in his comment..."this blog goes a step further and pronounces him guilty..."...Amrita denies this but the headline is a dead giveaway...he has been ACCUSED of rape but not convicted yet...the headline is significant...you see even tabloids are careful in their screaming headlines....if this were a bollywood film rag they would have posed the teasing question "ANAND JON!!!!!....A DESIGNER RAPIST???"....because even they are worried about being sued....even though they like pushing the limits.....Ms Amrita should be a bit more careful here....she does mention..."....Praveen - neither had I heard of this guy. That's why I started this post the way I did...."....if she doesn't know him and has already labelled him a rapist before the courts do so she would be open to criticism.....there is such a thing as due process....till such time the matter is sub-judice.

2."...Creep looks like a pervert too..."

If one were to go by Ms Amrita's definition of a creep/pervert there are are lots of guys out there who would qualify....no girl would go to Koshy's after this.

3."...Sumanth and praveen nair - maybe you missed that part where it says he has a history of sex crimes? with minors?...."

Jon has the following history..He had been arrested in 2003 on charges of committing a lewd act upon A CHILD.....not many minors as mentioned.. He pleaded no contest(this is also known as plea-bargaining:))).. then to a lesser charge of misdemeanor disorderly conduct....not sex crimes as mentioned. In 2005, Alexander completed his probation, which required that he do a year of sex therapy and 'not associate with any child under the age of 18 years without a responsible adult present.'

4."....Right, and what are rape kits? Like I said, SVU is your friend.....Socrates, the answer to your question should be available if you perform even a basic google search. The internet is there to serve you. I, on the other hand, am not....."

I took Ms Amrita Rajan's advice and did just that.....about evidence collected through rape kits,The American Academy of Family Physicians says.."It is important to remember that evidence collected more than 48 to 72 hours after the assault often may be difficult to recover or may be invalid. Thus, it is not only imperative to document the time frame (from time of assault to medical examination), but also to encourage victims to proceed with evidence collection. Should the victim wish to pursue prosecution at a later date, evidence collected with the rape kit becomes a vital part of the case....".....we don't know if these women who have come forward to accuse Anand Jon have all done this within a span of 72 hours....accusing him is one thing....confronting him with solid evidence quite another...

Even that evidence might not stand scrutiny ....DR. MICHAEL BADEN, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST adds" Usually, a physician can't tell consensual from non-consensual. They can tell whether there's been intercourse or no intercourse, but not whether it's consensual because one can have bruises and certain injuries from consensual sex and one can have no injuries from non-consensual sex...."


And now to you kela,praveen,socrates,anonymous.....
ever heard of "flaming" guys?...its the equivalent of road rage on a blog...

Coming back to Anand Jon,the man has a bit of history....eventually it could come down to his word against the girls and the kind of witnesses both parties are able to produce in court...Ron Richards, Alexander's attorney admitted..."They accused him because they were mad. Anand had [sexual] relations with some [of them] and they felt they were not getting enough prominence," ...he told the media that some women flew in to do modeling jobs, had sex with Alexander and claimed they were raped when he did not put them on his show.

He'll have a tougher time defending a charge of lewd act upon one child in Beverly Hills, California....because sex with a underage person is defined as "statutory rape"...Legal Encyclopedia says.."The criminal offense of statutory rape is committed when an adult sexually penetrates a person who, under the law, is incapable of consenting to sex. Minors and physically and mentally incapacitated persons are deemed incapable of consenting to sex under rape statutes in all states. These persons are considered deserving of special protection because they are especially vulnerable due to their youth or condition.

Most legislatures include statutory rape provisions in statutes that punish a number of different types of sexual assault. Statutory rape is different from other types of rape in that force and lack of consent are not necessary for conviction. A defendant may be convicted of statutory rape even if the complainant explicitly consented to the sexual contact and no force was used by the actor. By contrast, other rape generally occurs when a person overcomes another person by force and without the person's consent.

The actor's age is an important factor in statutory rape where the offense is based on the victim's age. Furthermore, a defendant may not argue that he was mistaken as to the minor's age or incapacity. "

"May not argue".....ultimately that and the fact that he has a bit of history would well work against him.

I agree with some of the comments the guys made...if Anand Jon indeed committed those crimes he deserves to be hanged...but if he isn't he'll become a victim as Sumanth said of "Trial by Blogging"

And oh!...someone mentioned Newsweek....which dubbed Anand Jon "One To Watch In 2007" , even though Newsweek probably didn't mean it in a "watch him or else he'll try and rape you " sense:))

And finally.... all these laws have something to do with policing of desires both of men and women....watch out for an article coming soon on the same subject by C R Sridhar who writes for desicritics ...

Cheerios.














#135
Amrita
URL
March 26, 2007
01:33 PM

Anand - wow, you seem to be a person with a lot of time and weirdly tuned into CR Sridhar. I'm afraid I've neither that kind of patience nor ESP that can tell you whether someone is the future is going to explain everything to you but here's a short answer:

Everything I have to say, I've said above and don't care to elucidate any more. Like you note 133 is a pretty big number even if its filled out by trolls, so whatever. Your post is your interpretation and you're entitled to it.

#136
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 26, 2007
01:55 PM

Anand,

Your entire argument is one gigantic muddle. What are you trying to get at?

Ms Amrita Rajan must be thrilled....this post has all the ingredients..amongst other things...designer rapists,italian mafia,wannabe singers,nubile nymphets,moms and sisters,rank allegations,Punjab National Bank,cut and paste monkeys,overpriced jeans,Mahesh Bhatt,bad spelling,Dettol ,Listerine and last but not least one very slippery never say die kela:)))...phewwwww.

On what authority have you based your assumption that Amrita Rajan enjoyed the thread? And what if she did? What are you trying to say?

He'll have a tougher time defending a charge of lewd act upon one child in Beverly Hills, California....because sex with a underage person is defined as "statutory rape"...

I was going to take this up with you bit by bit but then when I read this part I realized that for most decent people that statement made above should be enough for them to want the man to put behind bars forever.

Anand, here is a little info for you from a victim who had been mauled and groped when she was no more than sixteen.

It kills you from within. The first time a man preys on you and makes you feel powerless, nothing more than an insect caught in a web and what it does to the person's psyche is sometimes beyond repair. Maybe you should read one of DG's posts where she talked about it and where the buddies you seemed to agree with had such filth to say.

Moral policing? What the fuck is wrong with your thinking? A man should be allowed to fuck an underage child? Isn't it enough that there are homes where kids get abused by their parents and then there are people like you who discuss the difference between mauling and penetration? Oh , wait a minute between Statutory rape and actual rape - right?

Does it matter whether a woman is mauled or raped?
Should there be degrees to it?



#137
Amrita
URL
March 26, 2007
02:24 PM

Dee - I was gonna do a point by point reply to him but seriously, it's not worth it. You know that already, you know you do - you're the one who tells me about it. :)

#138
Anamika
March 26, 2007
05:09 PM

Well said Dee! I am surprised that there are men out on DC who are so keen on defending paedophilia. Call it "statutory rape" or anything else, its child abuse pure and simple. And that makes it morally indefensible (we aren't even going into the legalese). I am surprised that there are so many men sooooo keen to defend Mr. Jon so passionately.

Amrita: On a lighter note, thought of you when I was looking up some stuff on the history of Vogue. Dianne Vreeland the former editor was known for her pithy quotes. My favourite: "Pink is the navy blue of India." :-)

#139
Anand Menon
March 26, 2007
10:40 PM


Ms Lamba- My comments were not in defence of paedophilia...please read them carefully... it does say if Jon is guilty he must be strung up...okkk....so we would dearly like to string him up(....well they don't do that any more in the U.S....its the chair or lethal injection)....so how do we go about doing it?..i was trying to analyse it from the point of view of U.S law....and his chances of "skating through" as Ms Rajan put it earlier in one of her comments..i fail to see how my comments can be misconstrued as defending paedophilia.....or siding with the boys.....i did say that a nuanced stand would make me unpopular ...so be it....If one were to take a rather crude analogy it would be the Jessica Lal case.....there were witnesses who saw Manu Sharma fire the fatal shot....everyone knows HE did it....but does that mean Manu Sharma should be denied a lawyer or be denied a chance to defend himself?....however ridiculous his defence sounds?(And Ram Jethmalani tried his best to sound ridiculous)...there is such a thing as due process......everyone is entitled to a fair trial....the principles of natural justice are based on "innocent until proven guilty"...ultimately that is the harsh truth..whether for rapists or war criminals...suppose i were a girl who has been abused by Jon...i would have a whole host of issues to contend with..first of all the the trauma .....next evidence would have to be presented within 72 hours...next the uphill task proving consent or rape later on....assembly of witnesses if any....and so on...Lets be clear on this... the key word is "consent"....without consent all else would be rape..how is Jon going to prove consent??...how are the girls accusing him going to prove rape??...Ms Rajan doesn't really want to go into those details.....they have a whole host of laws in various states of the union with definitions of what constitutes rape varying from state to state.....the police-ing of the crime of rape....and therefore of the larger issue of police-ing desire hence varies from state to state....that is my point.....are you saying we cannot discuss "legalese"?...unless you discuss the legal aspects and point out loopholes and shortcomings in the system how are you going to extirpate crimes like rape?...do you want only assenting one-line comments?..maybe i should get off this site....i realise that this is not EPW but we still cannot have trial by blogging ...sorry....there are crazies out there trying to defend the indefensible ....they can get under your skin...but your entire attitude is one of ganging up and shutting out dissent entirely .

and one more thing ...as moderator you have an added responsibility....I don't think sentences like "What the fuck is wrong with your thinking?"....are in good taste....i could use the same kind of langauage but i won't....

Ms Amrita Rajan- i am still interested in that point by point rebuttal..

#140
Aaman
URL
March 26, 2007
10:48 PM

Consent is irrelevant below 16, as pointed out before.

#141
Deepti Lamba
March 26, 2007
10:52 PM

Lets be clear on this... the key word is "consent
Under the age of sixteen 'consent' is immaterial that itself takes care of your long 'rambling' argument and BTW no where have I called you any names just challenged your thinking. Get a thicker hide.

#142
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
12:54 AM

Anand - is there some part of you're "not worth it" that you don't understand? I repeat, everything you talk about has already been addressed above but you need to actually understand what you're reading.

Talking about understanding what you read - I would also like to make clear that while every guilty party is entitled to a day in court (I believe I wrote an entire article about the subject and expressed it a lot more clearly if I do say so myself) the rest of us are free to make up our own minds as long as it doesn't slip into slander or libel.

Anand Jon's record speaks for itself. Pls refer to the latest issue of Outlook if you want further details.

And excuse me, but calling people by an honorific doesnt automatically bestow any elevated status on you, it only manages to show up as the affectation it is when put in context with the general style of your comments. Like Dee says, grow a thicker skin.

#143
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
12:55 AM

Anamika - well its about time I reminded someone of something light :)

#144
Hardy
March 27, 2007
01:36 AM

The world has become skeptical of, every time a hue and cry is made about women issues(rape inclusive)...True that this skepticism takes toll of scant genuine victims, but it is also to be seen that this skepticism has its roots in the fact that a lot of lies have been propagated in the name of woman and feminism. The blatant lies have resulted into punishment of so many innocent people that these days when ever one hears of any such incidence the first question that almost always comes to his/her mind is "Is this another hoax/concocted story?".

Some thirty years back people almost always used to blindly believe women. The scenario has gone under drastic change. People now look upon women with suspicious eyes. That is the reason you find so many people questioning the authenticity of reported crimes which may be as heinous as rapes.

The lies of women and feminist could not carry them even for thirty years. In fact when have wolf cries and liars persisted too long. That people raise eyebrows and questions women on their version of reported/alleged crime is inevitable. The strong biased nature of laws, the attitude to let go the women who frame a false case, and the magnitude of abuse of pro-women laws, will only contribute towards creating more and more resentment in masses about the role and credibility of women in general. Feminist because of their inherent lack of fortitude have only ruined the cause of women and will only contribute to their sufferings in future. To think from larger, intellectual and all-encompassing perspective was never a forte of feminists and they have demonstrated it amply by the way they have handled women in society.

#145
kela
March 27, 2007
01:57 AM

anand menon- i am no flamer.besides you havent said anything that hasnt been already said by other posters.My points have only been-1) Don't pronounce a person guilty of something that has yet to be proved by the courts.2) the fact that ANand jon is Indian has made him an easy target.Indians are easy pushovers and lack unity,our history is proof of that.3)labeling him a wannabe is unfair with no proof to back it up

#146
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
01:59 AM

Hardy - I see the main SIFfy voices are coming out rather than the part timers who;ve been trolling so far.

Let me tell you how your logic would apply -

If I were to take you and your friends as an example of mankind, then the next man I meet I'll wonder if he's a misogynistic, blinkered, embitttered and ignorant person who thinks rape and pedophilia are debatable concepts based on the gender of the alleged victim.

Frankly, it would make me uncomfortable to be in the same room as such a person much less try and interact with them. And obviously, if I thought you were all indicative of the larger body, then I would automatically assume that men aren't people I want to interact with.

Fortunately, I am not you. I don't make generalizations of that sort and I live a healthy life.

That's the difference.

#147
Anamika
March 27, 2007
02:12 AM

"Some thirty years back people almost always used to blindly believe women. The scenario has gone under drastic change. People now look upon women with suspicious eyes. That is the reason you find so many people questioning the authenticity of reported crimes which may be as heinous as rapes."

Not really. Statistics show otherwise. Even today less than ten percent of the rapes reported are convicted even in the western world. Even the police say that less than ten percent of all rape cases are even reported. The statistics are even more horrific in case of child abuse (paedophilia, statutory rape). The situation is even worse in places like India where social mores blame the victim rather than the perpetrator. So this logic that "feminism" made things worse for rape victims is not borne out by facts. The mere fact that there are women police officers has made reporting rape easier and THAT is an achievement made possible by feminism.

On the other hand, I had been wondering how come the SIFY-wallahs were not out in full (loud) force defending and supporting Jon. Guess that doubt has now been laid to rest.

#148
Hardy
March 27, 2007
03:32 AM

Even today less than ten percent of the rapes reported are convicted even in the western world


I am not sure whether that indicates apathy of our judicial process or the extent of false reporting. BTW in India as per a high court judgment, a mere sex with a woman can be construed as rape and consent is increasingly being treated secondary in such cases.

On another note...
I wonder how do they calculate the unreported incidences in case of adults.

> The situation is even worse in places
> like India where social mores blame
> the victim rather than the perpetrator.

I disagree...I have myself seen bloodshed happening for the honor of women in many families. Forget about rape, even a eve teasing flares up into life long enmities.
It is another story that when their is a powerful person involved the cases are almost always hushed up but then they get hushed up even when that person has committed a murder of a man.



women police officers has made reporting rape easier and THAT is an achievement made possible by feminism

That is common sense...I guess feminism wants to take credit for it.

#149
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 27, 2007
03:54 AM

Anamika and Amrita, its the same argument that most men have problem accepting

1)How can she say 'no' to me at the very last minute?

2)Huh? She is a minor? Holy shit! I should have seen her driving license before screwing her and not taken her word for it.

3) She maybe a minor but it was mutual consent.

4)So what if there are Statutory rape cases against me I am innocent till I slither out of the 'guilty' part.

5) And when all else fails- I was framed, framed you hear me, by the feminists and those minor hos.

Obviously most men here (not all since some have been rational) do not understand what is being discussed or are deliberately trying to skirt the issue and its Anand's predilection for nubile barely out of school girls and let me say it for the last time consent is immaterial when it comes to having sex with minor whatever be the gender and even female school teachers have gone to jail for having affairs with their male students.

#150
Hardy
March 27, 2007
04:44 AM

Well...My stand is not orthogonal to #149...the requirement for Statutory rape case is goes all fine with everybody. My(and I am sure everybody) arguments are not against "Statutory rape" per say.

However, Feminist these days are lobbying for reducing the age bracket of boys because they feel their are enough cases where such ghastly acts act have been committed by slightly younger(say 14 yrs old) people as well. I have no issues to that except that the requirement of "Statutory rape" may also be altered to include victims who are below puberty age.

Now that last statements may sound harsh to feminists, but they fail to realize how brazenly can( and are) these laws being abused. If a juvenile 14 yrs old can dare commit such a audacious mortifying act of rape, how can one not assume that the juvenile of same age but from another gender cannot lie. A lie which would do the least of damage to that woman (atleast in western world) but can at the drop of hat fetch her handsome wealth. That should strike you to tell you the extent of abuse.

Not limiting myself to women victims, people who commit shameful acts like rape dare to commit much more ghastly acts on fellow human beings irrespective of gender. I will love to find an exception where a criminal has actually committed only "the felony of rape" in his/her life thus far and no other crime.

Thus to support and frame sweeping laws based on acts of chosen few anti social elements, just because a share of those chosen few happen to be males, is being a plain moronic.

#151
kela
March 27, 2007
05:16 AM

Laws are there for a reason.Paedophiles and rapists should be castrated and put out to rot in jail.There's no two ways about that and no amount of intellectual argumentation can dispute that.But the same laws dont seem to apply for everybody.
One example i would like to mention to back up my earlier comments is that of acclaimed actor/director woody allen- the pervert was raping his adopted daughter all through,his wife left him but he never went to jail,and now he's married his daughter just to give a stamp of legality to his wrongdoings.If this isnt racial discrimination ,then what is ?You have racial profiling in airports so dont give me crap that racism doesnt exist.

#152
Anamika
March 27, 2007
07:33 AM

Deepti I agree. The issue is statutory rape which is rape regardless of "consent" because a minor is assumed to be incapable of informed and mature decision. To argue anything else - or to blame it on the victims or feminists - shows a moral depravity that is quite beyond the bounds.

About men fighting about "honour" of women and bloodshed by men, isn't it odd that it is the "honour" of women (and the men they are related to) that is damaged when they are raped and not of the men who have raped them! It shows a sick patriarchal mindset and two men bloodying each other is hardly a logical form of justice for the women. It is the same kind of ridiculous logic that has panchayats marrying off the rape victim to the rapist!

About men who rape committing other crimes: there are is NO evidence that men who rape are automatically antisocial or criminal. In fact all statistics show that the majority of rapes are committed by men who are known to the women. Rape is about POWER over the woman and not SEX. As such a rapist can be a man in a suit and/or a 40-something old father of five. They never have to commit any other form of crime, and most rapists don't! This is one reason their "respectability" is often cited in their defence.

Finally - Woody Allen wasn't prosecuted for statutory rape because there was no evidence that the sexual contact with Mia Farrow's adopted daughter happened while she was a minor. This doesn't make it RIGHT and I have never been able to watch an Allen film after that episode. But it does make prosecution and conviction difficult if not impossible.

#153
kela
March 27, 2007
08:07 AM

well for me the fact that his wife left him is proof enough

#154
Hardy
March 27, 2007
08:08 AM

About men fighting about "honour" of women and bloodshed by men, isn't it odd that it is the "honour" of women (and the men they are related to) that is damaged when they are raped and not of the men who have raped them! It shows a sick patriarchal mindset and two men bloodying each other is hardly a logical form of justice for the women. It is the same kind of ridiculous logic that has panchayats marrying off the rape victim to the rapist!

There is no talk of logic here...it is the plain simple fact of our social life...degrading modesty of woman is considered extremely derogatory and that is it...what are you trying to cook up from it...what is this unwanted deviation to panchayats and so on so forth...
Modesty of woman is more precious than modesty of a man any time any day any person...And in fact as a modern males who believes in equality ,It should be a high concern that there are no laws to protect modesty of a male while there is every law(in addition to social reinforcement) to cater to woman's modesty..




> In fact all statistics show that the
> majority of rapes are committed by men
> who are known to the women

Excluding children from consideration...it also indicates that their is much higher probability those women were intimate with the alleged offender before the reported incidence and that things could have been reported out of grudge.

I will not buy the bullshit of feminists who claim that a man can lay his hands on weak(???) woman any day at his own will. Let one man try it without woman's consent and i am sure he will have to repent for his entire life. And here i mean without taking legal/criminal hassles into account.

If you quote people who bear any remote semblance to charcaters in movies like Damini e.t.c. that you must not forget that such people are free roaming goons otherwise in their lives as well who will pester every other person they come across whom they consider weak.

#155
Hardy
March 27, 2007
09:09 AM

There is yet another contradiction below...

Rape is about POWER over the woman and not SEX. As such a rapist can be a man in a suit and/or a 40-something old father of five.

You cite a 40 yr old sex maniac as your example who rapes a 5 year old...I can not imagine what kind of power equation exists between a 40 year old man and a 5 year young child. For God sake please try to distinguish between a pedophile and a woman rapist.

I do understand that to generalize and hide behind child causes has been a trait of feminists industry, but please maintain some coherency in arguments.

On other hand I do agree that rapes are mostly about power, but this power gradient(superiority) is felt by rapists in all other walks of lives and hence they are most likely to be criminals even otherwise. It is another issue, that they may have been roaming free and have not been caught and punished by law thus far.

#156
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
10:06 AM

Dee & Anamika - do you guys now see why I said it was a waste of time talking to SIFfies?

#157
Anamika
March 27, 2007
10:22 AM

"I can not imagine what kind of power equation exists between a 40 year old man and a 5 year young child."

The exact same kind as exists between men who BUY ten year olds as sex slave in the prostitution marts of Delhi, Mumbai, Calcutta.

"...it also indicates that their is much higher probability those women were intimate with the alleged offender before the reported incidence and that things could have been reported out of grudge."

Which is why less than five percent of rapes are reported in India. Because the rapists are fathers, brothers, uncles, father-in-laws, brother-in-laws, husbands and family friends etc. Get over your little Bollywood fantasy of what rape means and start looking at real facts!

#158
Anamika
March 27, 2007
10:30 AM

Amrita - I know its useless. The SIFY sickos turn my stomach with their blatantly male chauvinist talk and their sanctimonious hypocrisy.

But I wanted to see just how far these self proclaimed "defenders of Indian family" will go in their women-hating. And they have made their stand quite clear with the posts on this thread: they openly support rape and paedophilia. Of course its all for the sake of "defending the Indian family."

Guess now we know the "Indian family" the SIFY are fighting for - one that rapes its women and abuses its children!!

You know how a hand full of deluded terrorists give Islam a bad name? Same with this lot! They are the worst of India and unfortunately give Indian men a bad reputation.

#159
Hardy
March 27, 2007
10:33 AM

I guess when one has too few arguments to support the facist attitude of feminists, it is in his/her best interest to remain mute.

Rapists are aberrations on soceity, AND feminists are new brand of rapists in themselves.

#160
kela
March 27, 2007
10:54 AM

i agree with you hardy.The women on these forums take to personal attacks when they have nothing intelligent to contribute.and they have the gall to call me a TROLL

#161
Hardy
March 27, 2007
11:00 AM

Frankly speaking...I guess feminists have either some comprehension problem or have the habit of twisting (err restructuring) statements to suit their arguments...The are wonder fully good at putting words to mouth and putting their own imagination by stretching a statement to their wishful domain.

No doubt this strategy of theirs worked well for past few decades.

Because the rapists are fathers, brothers, uncles, father-in-laws, brother-in-laws, husbands and family friends etc

I am worried about the social circle you are part of where such incidences of such worrying magnitude take place. Leave alone the criminal justice system, I am surprised how come a guilty father/brother is able to lead a life after other family members come to know of his deed.

A famous feminist hoax, says one in six women is raped. Since every family has almost half the women and If i couple your logic as above,then every second/third family has a rapist father or brother.

I know my family is a sacred family, And the two of us belong to separate families.

...I have started to enjoy the hoaxes.

#162
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
11:01 AM

That's right Kela - you've NEVER made a personal comment in your life. pure as the driven snow, that's you.

And what else were you saying? Oh yeah, that you don't want to hang around here.

R-i-i-ght.

#163
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
11:05 AM

Hardy - since you bring up your sacred family: does your mother think of herself as being inferior to the men in her family? Like you and your father? Or does she expect an equal amount of respect? Coz if she does the latter, guess what?

Your mother's a feminist.

And if you don't like what the women on this board have to say, why do you read it?

#164
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
11:14 AM

Anamika - I've been trying to tell them the difference between a support group and a social movement but they don;t seem to understand.

I used to think it was just ignorance talking and then I realized it was all willful which downgraded it into outright stupidity and then I couldnt care less.

I must say however that its been educational meeting the SIFfies - they're what I never want to be if tragedy ever strikes me. I think I'll have them to remember if ever I find myself falling into that place.

#165
Hardy
March 27, 2007
11:16 AM

I said..."I can not imagine what kind of power equation exists between a 40 year old man and a 5 year young child."

#157 said...The exact same kind as exists between men who BUY ten year olds as sex slave in the prostitution marts of Delhi, Mumbai, Calcutta.


What was that? I think you had a comprehension issue there. You rebuttal is found wanting...Sex maniac tendencies in a 40 yr old and another one who goes to marts are no different. I am surprised you could spot a power quotient in both of them where as i see it in none...They are both abberatins on society but are examples of sex starved pedophiles and none of them is a power hungry rapist. I guess you will better understand what a power hungry rapist means, once if you get a chance to analyze, introspect and dissect a staunch feminist.

#166
kela
March 27, 2007
11:19 AM

"Because the rapists are fathers, brothers, uncles, father-in-laws, brother-in-laws, husbands and family friends etc "

i met this girl on yahoo chat , she was a model and she had this amazing story to tell.It seems she had an abusive alcoholic mother who was estranged from her husband(the girl's dad).Well one fine day(when the girl is aged 7) the mother decides to accept her husband back in her life.Since the girl isn't too comfy with the idea the mother gets upset and abuses her physically so the girl runs from home and goes over to her aunt's.The aunt sexually abuses her and even encourages her husband to do the same.She runs from there,hangs around the streets for a while and then ends up in some foster home where the abuse ordeal starts over again.

#167
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
11:23 AM

Hardy - pedophilia IS rape. thats the comprehension issue you seem to be glossing over. There are diff kinds of rape is the point.

#168
Hardy
March 27, 2007
11:31 AM

Hardy - ... does your mother think of herself as being inferior to the men in her family? Like you and your father? Or does she expect an equal amount of respect? Coz if she does the latter, guess what?

Your mother's a feminist.


My mother "gets" more respect than others(say my father) and she does not consider herself as feminist because she thinks she is as much of a human as others are in the family.

Feminists expect(as does the famous SRK at least on stage) a larger than life character of women and a smaller than insect characater for men. No my mother does not think that way and hence fair enough she is not a feminist.

#169
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
11:38 AM

Hardy - Feminists expect(as does the famous SRK at least on stage) a larger than life character of women and a smaller than insect characater for men.

Thats where your own insecurities show.

#170
Hardy
March 27, 2007
11:46 AM

#167...

"pedophilia" is as much of crime as is a disease...see wikipedia

Rape is crime...

Not to be lost in words...I, BTW, was trying to point out how power equation has been freely but intentionally generalised to include pedophilia without any substantiations.

#171
kela
March 27, 2007
12:05 PM

#170

ha ha ha just as i suspected.I wouldnt be surprised to know if hardy is gay.the way these homo's try to jusify their actions i was beginning to fear the pedos would start demanding their rights too and your post proves that.well if pedophilia is a disease its a deadlier disease than AIDS.People with aids die on their own so i guess pedophiles need to be assisted in that regard

#172
Amrita
URL
March 27, 2007
12:06 PM

Hardy - I, BTW, was trying to point out how power equation has been freely but intentionally generalised to include pedophilia without any substantiations.

that's where you're mistaken. Yes, pedophilia is a disease as well as crime while rape is not a disease but a crime. But you cannot look at pedophilia as just one without the other.

There is a real victim in pedephilia and that victim differs from an adult rape victim in terms of age but undergoes the same psychological process, only with lesser tools to deal with it.

Any type of rape takes control away from the victim - it is therefore a power equation. A child has even lesser means to refuse than an adult because they're taught to trust adults and to obey them. the perpetrator does not even need to use physical force in most cases.

Maybe you should've been reading about rape instead of pedophilia? Actually, look up Oprah - she did a wonderful series of shows on pedophilia which will explain the power equation straight from the mouths of experts.

#173
kela
March 27, 2007
12:15 PM

blogging is a disease too,i'm done for the day

#174
Anand Rapeji
March 27, 2007
10:18 PM

Amand Menon And Anand Jon are my Bothers

#175
Anand Menon
March 28, 2007
12:28 AM

Aaman -refer#140 and #141- Jon has been accused of rape by women over the age of consent and under.the age of consent.The defence of consent doesn't stand much of a chance in the case of the under age girl.It stand a better chance against those women who are above the age of consent.That is what i meant.
Deepti Lamba-I realise you are co-owner and comments moderator on this site.However the choice of language in response to an emotive issue leaves much to be desired...If you have any pretensions of becoming a world class blogging site you better drop that kind of writing soon.....its possible to have differences in opinion..i was trying to discuss the nuances of various laws pertaining to rape....the privelege of ownership doesn't bestow the right to use bad language.Aaman doesn't "flame" up like you do...You said..."...Get a thicker hide....."...When i want your advice i'll remember to ask for it.

#176
kela
March 28, 2007
01:14 AM

i agree with you Anand.Maybe you could complain to the sponsors or the management of blogcritics.I wouldnt mind taking over the management of this blog

#177
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 28, 2007
01:15 AM

Anand, I speak the way I think. Please read the comment policy to see what's allowed and what isn't.

And I am not Aaman, no two people are alike. On DC people have the right express themselves using their 'wisdom' along with light moderation.

The DC board thrives on variety, passion and all that makes us human.

This isn't a site where we moderators sit around with red markers as if we are a couple of school monitors throwing our weight around.

You do need to grow a thicker hide. When you swim with sharks you're bound to get bitten, live with it.

With regards to the ownership of the site I don't see how thats any of your business but since you asked I see myself as just another writer on DC, no more no less with certain alloted duties that I try to perform to the best of my abilities.

Enough said?

#178
Amrita
URL
March 28, 2007
01:23 AM

Dee - Word.

#179
kela
March 28, 2007
01:23 AM

just curious,but do you use such profanities when you're conversing in the real world ?

#180
Anamika
March 28, 2007
06:05 AM

Dee - well said. Unfortunately, there is a pattern of male posters attempting intimidation on articles dealing with women's issues which doesn't bode well.

K, I didn't notice any profanities in Amrita and Dee's posts. Yours on the other hand have been stellar in the use of particularly poor idiom. I am assuming that you do?

Reminds me of the brilliant editorial piece Monday in the Times on how the internet IS real and requires the same social manners and restraints that the "real" world does! (It was in response to the "net-suicide" story where the person was heckled and encouraged by fellow chatroom posters).


#181
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 28, 2007
07:06 AM

Anamika, we women know the difference between the men and the boys;)

#182
Hardy
March 28, 2007
07:57 AM

> there is a pattern of male posters
> attempting intimidation on articles
> dealing with women's issues which
> doesn't bode well.

Unfortunately looking from a fairness perspective they are men's issues because they affect men and families only. When unites states attacked Iraq, it was not called American war, it was called "IRAQI" WAR.

Feminist made red/green faces every time an isolated incidence against a woman is reported, but expectedly(though undesirably) they have serious objections when men lobby for their own rights.

#183
kela
March 28, 2007
08:35 AM

Anamika ref #136 - Dee types" What the fuck is wrong with your thinking? "
very degrading and insulting
i'm a TROLL(at least thats what y'all think) i'm allowed to use such language but that coming from a co-owner/senior reporter somehow isnt very appropriate.

#184
Amrita
URL
March 28, 2007
10:14 AM

Anamika - Kela, in addition to being a troll (and a very bad one btw) is also delusional. He's basically talking to himself at this point so why bother?

#185
kela
March 28, 2007
12:03 PM

anamika i think you can judge for yourself.Ms - (whose name i cannot take) is just jealous I am the most prolific commentator on DC for the past 7 days and I shall be receiving a special memento from Mr Aaman(not a boot i hope)

#186
kela
March 28, 2007
12:13 PM

#181 how.....the size of the penis ?

#187
Tanay
URL
March 28, 2007
01:49 PM

kela, if you follow the Deepti's comment #177
On DC people have the right express themselves using their 'wisdom' along with light moderation.

The DC board thrives on variety, passion and all that makes us human.


Just concentrate on the words 'wisdom' and 'that makes us human'.

So when some reader on this site feels something that s/he can connect to or relate to passionately, s/he expresses his/her own way by leaving a comment. Mind you, its a reasonable and rational comment, a critical appreciation, a humorous reply, something created out of 'wisdom' and 'that makes us human'. So in such a scenario, the number of comments doesn't matter to a reader or for that matter anyone else. Also grow up dude, how does you having posted the most comments in the last 7 days, matter to anyone....

Ooops! did you think that you would get something as prize so went about trolling and posting comments. I guess it won't work out.

Aaman, did you promise kela a special momento ? I asked you this because kela goes ahead with a very assertive claim "I shall be ..." :)
Ohhh, or is it again a figment of his imagination.
Someone please clarify this.

As for comment #186, kela, why don't you grow up. Again notice that Deepti, mentioned to use 'wisdom' and not 'vice dom'.

#188
Aaman
URL
March 28, 2007
02:36 PM

kela gets a bunch of yellow ripe bananas

#189
Desigirl
March 28, 2007
02:37 PM

er, does this meant Am's leading the max comments count?

#190
Amrita
URL
March 28, 2007
02:41 PM

DG - only in Kela's bizarre parallel universe with its population of one.

#191
Desigirl
March 28, 2007
02:45 PM

comment?

#192
Amrita
URL
March 28, 2007
02:52 PM

Surely you must have noticed that Kela lives in a different zip code?

#193
Desigirl
March 28, 2007
03:03 PM

Oh? You mean the Fruit Zone?

#194
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 28, 2007
03:17 PM

Since morning I've been singing Chuckh De Phate...wonder why?;)

Fruit Zone!!!! You girls crack me up!

#195
Desigirl
March 28, 2007
03:19 PM

Dee,
There you are! Wonder where you went!!

Well, we try to do our best - eh, Am?
:D

#196
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 28, 2007
03:30 PM

Tanay, what's life without a little passion peppered with wisdom?;)

#197
Anamika
March 28, 2007
05:57 PM

Hey Dee and Amrita - you might want to check salon.com for the "broadsheet" article on the woman blogger who had to quit blogging because of death threats! Her crime wasn't that she was "feminist" or even particularly incendiary, simply that she was a woman! Anonymous men thought they were being SOOOOO masculine harassing her! Reminds me of some of the posts on DC, although of course DC thanks to its editorial policy edits out the worst ones.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/?last_story=/mwt/broadsheet/2007/03/28/kathy_sierra/

Sigh...cant seem to get it as a link! :-(

#198
Deepti Lamba
URL
March 29, 2007
12:23 AM

Anamika I saw the news piece yesterday. Check this

blog entry It makes one want to throw up!

#199
Amrita
URL
March 29, 2007
12:57 AM

Dee & Anamika - give those guys a day or two and I'm sure they'll come up with some sort of rationalization which will come around to the conclusion that it was all her own fault - coz you know, she's a woman and she's on the net. Obviously, she deserves death threats. Get thee back in the kitchen woman where you belong etc etc.

I think people like us live in a bubble where we are so used to meeting "normal" people that we forget the kind of sickos that still live out there. And then something like this happens and its a wake up call.

Disgusting.

#200
kela
March 29, 2007
12:58 AM

DG- it means i am on top of the leader board.Look to the right of your page ---------> scroll to the top

#201
kela
March 29, 2007
01:04 AM

Socrates- #17
I plan on videotaping mine henceforth

#202
truth
April 1, 2007
12:12 AM

reliable sources believe there will be literally HUNDREDS of rape and/or sexual assault charges filed against this man.

there are multiple rapes being investigated against him in a number of states other than calif ... including texas and new york.

and, the police are likely to charge accomplices to these crimes as well ... including - if sources are correct - one or more people very close to anand jon.

one reliable source inside the investigation says that approximately 100 young women - a significant number underaged - have already come forward to charge jon with rape and/or other sexual assaults.

#203
Aaman
URL
April 5, 2007
03:02 PM

Indian designer in US out on bail

A celebrity fashion designer in the US has been released on bail after pleading not guilty to multiple charges of sexually assaulting women and girls.

Indian-born Anand Jon Alexander, who is well-known in Hollywood, was released after a court hearing in Beverly Hills.

#204
kela
April 20, 2007
02:26 AM

NY: Indian woman found guilty of having sex with students-- http://specials.rediff.com/news/2007/apr/20sex.htm


SICKO

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