Indian Domestic Violence Law Has Fascist Overtones

fantastic article,what else can be expected from Renuka,she shamelessely admitted on TV that 498a is being misused and nothing has been done to rectify it,not even a word of consolation for the harassed families,perhaps she is just looking for votes of wives who dont want a husband and a family.

Hats off to Renuka's GUTS that she suggested that misuse possibly happens

She has thrown the ball in your court by challenging COME FORWARD or SPEAK UP OPENLY (openly means not on the internet). Openly means in front of the parliament.

Renuka or the other woman or any man---they will ALL support the Harmonious DV Act

After all the parliament is filled with MEN who passed the DV ACT.
Including our Dear Secular President.

Advise : Be Proactive.

One can read the "DV Law" from following links.

DV Law (in Brief- 15 pages)

DV Law (detailed- 40 pages)

Excellent writeup. Indian Institution of Marriage is now on the rocks. Soon days will come when Indian women will beg Indian men to marry them. Soon Indian government will have to establish more courts, hire more judges, and build more jails, to harass, humiliate, blackmail and kill Indian men, and their families. Congratulations to Indian lawmakers for this Diwali gift. Soon India will be as "Western" and modern, as they dream and desire.

Great job, Sumanth!

and sumanth (# 4) you can read it here;)


fascist
banana
republic

Jinesh on DV Laws.

DV Law FAQ

Temporal habitually does not go beyond first few words.
Anyway,
DV act == Daughter-in-law Vengeance act.

This act will put Talibanies from Afganistan to shame if we compare the atrociously barbaric, inhuman and gender biased nature(though orthogonal in this case) of the two.

I do not understand why all great feminist bloggers are not encouraging so called abused women to use this law and 498a.

I went to blogs of Nehasri, Indianwritings, Annie Zaidi, Mangs and then did a thorough google blogsearch. I am really disappointed that have totally ignored this path breaking law without sharing, "how they are using this diwali gift".

As per statistics, it has to be filed on 70% of Indian Men. What are feminists waiting for? The state of Madhyapradesh can be converted into a Jail or ghetto which can house all those male criminals who constitute 70% of male population.

In the meanwhile, police are arresting people and claiming that they are arresting under new DV Law.

DV Law says, its a civil law where the magistrate will pass the Protection Order. How the hell police has come into picture and why they are violating the legal procedures?

Every moron wants to "save indian marriage". The police also want to save it.

Many are claiming that DV Law will restore gender equality.

So, why do not free men from protecting and providing for women first?

Most Sex Starved Indian Men are still confused. They still want to preserve Indian Culture by Starving themselves and entering innocently into the trap of male-haters.

Many do not want pre-marital sex. They are argueing that they do not want to convert their sisters and daughters into sluts who sleep with multiple partners every month.

I do not understand why these men do not leave these decisions to Indian Women. Now, Indian women can decide what they want. Whether they want Misuse of Domestic Violence Law or whether they want to sleep with multiple partners.

Women must have this choice. Men must not decide what is good for them.

Let us see how many men will marry after knowing full details about DV law, Section 498a and its combined cocktail.

India is at cross roads.

Indian women are at cross roads.
They have to decide what they want.
They have to decide it fast.

The DV Law can not change now.
It was passed in Parliament.
It was signed by President of India.

The damage is done.
If the law has to be modified with checks and balances, then it has to go to parliament again. It is extremely embarassing for the Govt, if it is done.

Parliament has done nothing to amend section 498a in spite of a directive by Supreme Court on 20July2005.

So, Its just a matter of time we will see suicides and self emolations due to State Sponsered Legal Terrorism by these laws.

Men are wondering what do they get in marriage, which they can not get/buy in a Modular manner.

Many nations have made this journey before India. India has also started this journey and it can not stop now. All those countries, who made this journey have 100% pre-marital sex.

Indian feminists must encourage their daughters to have Pre-marital sex with multiple partners from an early as like in US, Europe, Russia and Taiwan. That way, we can make the country same as developed countries. At present, India looks like a Arab country.

A lot of young men are also extremely eager to get westernised. They are struggling to get to 21st century from 16th century.

The silence of Indian Feminist Bloggers and neutral stand by Main Stream Media is vety frustrating for SIF.

Interestingly, the Western Feminists are rejoicing when this law is passed. Western Media (which did not get SIF-DDT) is jumping around like a monkey with a banana in its ass. The western morons have no brains to even understand what "misuse of law" is.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050402/delhi.htm
---Renuka discharged in assault case---
Tribune News Service--
New Delhi, April 1--
A Delhi court today discharged the Union Tourism Minister, Ms Renuka Chowdhury, in a 1993 assault case wherein she allegedly abused and beat up a policeman, who stopped her car as the Prime Minister was to pass by on that route.
"Metropolitan Magistrate Siddharth Sharma has committed illegality by taking cognizance of the case without condoning the delay. Accordingly, his order of February 9, 2005, wherein he directed framing of charges against Chowdhury is set aside with the observation that chargesheet was filed after period of limitation, cognizance of which could not have been taken in absence of delay explained by prosecution or condonation of delay by a concerned court," Additional Sessions Judge D S Paweriya said.
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This case was dismissed only because the Congress party was in power. Thanks to Ms Renuka Chowdhury, women now have an unrestricted license to beat up men (and all the women in their families), and although men will not have the right to file any kind of complaint against an abusive woman, even if they do, technically their abusive behaviour cannot be considered a crime.

In a recent interview on Rediff, Ms Renuka Chowdhury said:
Being born a woman was hugely empowering. A tremendous advantage I had was I had no brothers. I had two other sisters, so we girls were brought up as people and not as women and girls. We were taught to be competitive and to put out our best.
Maybe I was considered a bit radical in my time. This was 30 years ago when I was in school and colleges. I drove tractors; I rode motorcycles even then. However, coming into a complex world of gender stereotyping, I found that there were conflicting moments when I wanted to conform to that. I said hey, maybe life would be easier if I just go back into being a girl and doing pretty much what is expected of me. Other times, I rebelled against it.

I don't know if my girls are going to find decent men with the kind of father and grandfathers they have grown up with. In our family, we were brought up to be equal. They have grown up with those yardsticks. There is a bit of a conflict when we look at societies and families outside of our homes where stereotyping still takes place. But I'm also very proud that my girls are such flexi girls that they've learnt to survive everywhere. They don't compromise on their personal lives or preferences.
Workplaces have to learn to embrace the biological differences of gender and cater to the needs of women. I don't like women having to make either-or choices, saying either you have a baby or you have a promotion. I think that you have to learn to tell your workplaces -- listen, friend, I'm a woman. These are my needs. This is my biological right, and I am going to live by that. You change your corporate policy for that.

Electorate's endorsement of Ms Renuka Chowdhury
Election Result of Khammam Lok Sabha Constituency
Total electorate 12,28,365
Total votes polled 9,48,088
Poll percentage 77.18 percent
Valid votes 9,16,571
Votes polled in favour of the first four leading candidates:
(1) Smt. Renuka Chowdhury -I.N.C. 3,28,596 35.85 percent
(2) Baby Swarna Kumari Maddineni -T.D.P. 3,20,198 34.93 percent
(3) Shri Guguloth Dharma -C.P.I-M 1,84,422 20.12 percent
(4) Smt. Aruna Chandra -Ind. 52,971 5.78 percent

A MCP would never,just like that, attack a female(wife) because he would never want to stoop down to the level of wife as it will hurt his personal pride.
Other males would never dare challange or involve himself with a woman in their petty issues.

I am surpised to learn from Minister Renuka that at least 70% of men do not fall in either of above categories.

So the question remains...why would any man beat a woman, unless he is gravely provoked. Does this then put a question of woman's role/contribution towards doemstic violence.

REDIFF ON THE NET

Naidu a 'pickpocket standing near a bus stand': Renuka

M S Shanker in Hyderabad

Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Nara Chandrababu Naidu is a 'pickpocket standing near a bus stand'. That shocking statement has been made by former Union minister and sidelined Telugu Desam Party leader Renuka Choudhary.

Choudhary couldn't help making this confession to a private television channel!

Earlier this year, Renuka had created a storm when she called the party's Rajya Sabha member and actress Jayaprada a 'bimbo'.

Incidentally, both the statements were made in the firebrand politician's interviews to the same televison channel.

Choudhary is angry with Naidu as he refused to nominate her to the Rajya Sabha for the third time earlier this year.

Naidu, for his part, was reportedly unhappy with Choudhary because she got into the Inder Kumar Gujral government without his consent. The TDP president had lobbied for Jayaprada, but Gujral favoured Renuka.

So what's Naidu doing about Choudhary's outburst? He has ordered his cadre to seize the video tapes of the said interview. ''How could she do this when he is already struggling with growing indiscipline in the party?'' is said to be the view shared by several leaders in the party.

Like in the Congress, groupism and intra-party rivalries at district and mandal levels are causing great concern to the party chief.

To add to his woes, an internal party survey has clearly warned Naidu of tough days ahead.

Against such a backdrop, Naidu would not like indiscipline to spread. Sources say he has received copies of the video tapes. If he finds that Choudhary had indeed made derogatory remarks against him, he may expel her from the party.

Renuka storms police station over land dispute


Union Minister of State for Health and Family Welfare Renuka Choudhary stormed a police station in Hyderabad along with 200 supporters as her battle with two builders took a murky turn.

The bone of contention is a prime plot of land, measuring 5,000 square yards, in the posh Somajiguda locality, near Raj Bhavan. The minister claimed the land, belonging to her family, has been grabbed by the builders -- Gowrishankar Gupta and Jaffer Nawab.

As allegations and counter-allegations vitiated the atmosphere, the builders said the minister's security guards trespassed on their land and misbehaved with them. Similar charges were levelled against three of Choudhary's supporters who were arrested by the police.

In turn, a case was slapped against the builders for ''threatening a woman security guard of the minister'' even as Choudhary virtually laid siege to the Punjagutta police station at the weekend.

As her action created ripples in the administration, Choudhary refused to leave the police station till the three arrested Telugu Desam workers were released. However, she left the police station after Assistant Commissioner of Police Srinivas assured that necessary action would be taken.

According to a senior police official, the land has been under litigation for several years now. If so, what triggered the unsavoury incident? According to the police, action had to be taken when the minister's supporters alleged visited Jaffer Nawab's residence, threatening him with dire consequences.

Chief Minister N Chandrababu said he would inquire into the case. ''I will find out the facts and take necessary action,'' he told the media.

''It is shocking that a central minister behaves in such a high-handed manner,'' one Telugu Desam leader said.

Renuka Choudhary:

A firebrand Congress leader known more for her brawls with political rivals and aggressive campaign style, she started her political career in the Telugu Desam Party in 1984 with a dramatic flourish. Choudhary, then a young housewife and a fan of N T Rama Rao, shot into the limelight when she participated in the agitation that broke out following the unseating of actor-turned-politician by his deputy N Bhaskar Rao in August 1984.

Starting her career as a corporator in the Banjara Hills division, Choudhary, a polyglot, earned instant recognition in the TDP when she was nominated to the Rajya Sabha in 1986 and served the Upper House for two terms till 1998.

She was expelled from the TDP in 1994 for indulging in 'anti-party activities' and criticising NTR's second wife Lakshmi Parvathi's loyalists in the NTR cabinet.

Even after being expelled from the party, she continued to be in the Rajya Sabha as a TDP-II representative. She served as Union health minister in the United Front government in 1997-98.

I dont believe this woman has any sense. She is material existence only. what she talks or behaves, she doesn't know. How dare she says men can suffer? who is she?

Useless even to talk about such people.

Till Men stop protecting and providing for mothers, sisters and
daughters, they will remain in this pathetics state.

Its funny that even when men are depressed, think of committing
suicide and lead a pathetic life, they think of "Saving the CULTURE"
in stead of saving themselves.

Pre-marital sex will certainly come. This threat has deterred many
Indian feminists in blogosphere that they are totally silent today.

If Indian mothers, sisters and daughters DO NOT want to become SLUTs,
then its time they WAKE UP and fight throw feminists out of the
country.

In stead, all Indian Women are (looking otherway) when FEMINIST
bitches are murdering the culture. Many of these moderate women also
secretly sympathise with feminists.

If SIF members tell about the possible FUTURE to their mother,
sisters and daughters, then all these women can decide what they want?

actually men in marriages gets more weak in fear of this law, their modern wives may possibly slip for adultery with young boys. On the other side, unmarried boys cant go with unmarried women(DV act applies), they try these modern married women badly. It is like nrth, south pole heaviness. culture will be zero in a few yrs. pls. dont tell me to marry indian girl, plssss.

===TO A RESPONSIBLE WOMEN==

My intensive research on this for 3 yrs.

It is women orgs (particularly men-hatred and family broken women) and media which brought this hype of dowry killing and suicide of women.

Here are the real statistics"
Men:women is 1:1.1 suicide rates before men get married. (http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1821/18210960.htm)
After marriage in 35s/40s men: women 3.4:1. may be this is surprsising for you. you know why this is hidden for decades, power of women orgs and processions all over india.

I agree women are suffering, for that we need social thinkers/social engineers to design laws. Our structure is very sensitive and complex. majority women org mbrs I believe are men hatred because of their personal marital problems. they take rvenge on society this way or for fund-for-selfish reasons. otherwise, funds gets stopped from various international organisations in miilions of they can't produce data or media news back to such organisatins. Lawyers, bad politicinas eveyrone is involved to have such laws in society one sided, coz they are surviving mainly on this. 72% cases in Indian courts are related to these cases only. If I am wrong do your intensive silent research. your research can be extensive, but do it without hate mongering. you know western life, I see western lifefor last 6 yrs. Its absolutely give and take, and nothing else. These feminists orgs and western interests are trying to break this feed/provide/protect Indian women by their husbands (mild thinking husbands) to bring westernisation into India.

It is absolutely hype that women of india has been suffering from ages. no one is calmly researching this.
If you closely notice with indian city women and western women, you will find that indian women look healthy, shining and colored even in 40s/50s; compare it with same city men, you will reveal yourself secret of life in india. Men are oily/dull/peechy/un shining weak...majority are like as such..with bald head..this is not one generation effect...research into it...

This happens for stress through several generations to feed/provide for fello family members.

Problem is mind less and hurry more men in India are 90%. They are shouting and thinking that they are male dominated. but in reality it is their shouting and posing. These men blindly support and feed family/spouse without any reciprocation back from them. This never happens anywhere part of the world. Only developing nations.

Bringing laws like dvact/dpact/498a with much loops holes to misuse is nothing but, we are dragging this chance from women. these laws scaring men. Educated women are bad and good and same as men. So, laws should be designed carefully and not like this.

"I can't ask my wife her salary to share for me or my children (regardless of whether she can give her money to her parents) , but I must pay rent or give her money for day to day chores, othewise 20,000 Rs or 1 yr jail with non-bail."
Do you thnk how many gentleman start thinking seriously about staying with a wife in controlling environment.?

We are getting globalization, men start thinking seriously and twice about feeding or providing women. Acutally this is the century, wives in India have pamper husbands for the change of mind set; instead these things exponentially cause divroces in the soceity.
I will never leave my son to live with a women who controls him and gets him depressed mentally or physically. I dont want any inch of his bone to get reduced. When I thnk this much about my son, do you think I can marry with such laws and knowing reality of generation of men faces/physical structure...

These laws breaking the foundations of marriage. If women are abused at home and fresh wounds exists on the body, that is called domestic violence and laws should be designed as such.
what are these bloody things that women after coming to parental home and 1 yr later filing non-bailing 498a seciton on husbands. 98% of cases are acquitted in 498a though judges in india are far women biased just like blind media.

Men come out of marriage in India, it is dangerous task for him, but for women it is finger tip. Is this human rights? If one knows his wife is adultery women, he has to think 10 times before leaving her and to go for mahabhart yudh preparation of 498a. And you call this a law.

Definition of a law from webster or oxford should be fair and free for the society. where is fairness here? why women are seen differently in society with vedic age look as laxmi or sita, when they are really not in urban india.

4 out of 6 girls you meet on the road in cities know about dance clubs and they are same or faster than boys and how do you think, I can let my son to be in their hands with these weapons. I dare to send my son to live with one such spouse, provided if both have fairness towards law. If he is cheated, he comes out of her or she should. But it costs 5 to 8 yrs on avg. to come out of courts to resolve a marital conflict. I say average.

I know many women who couldnt cope with husband family, could never cope with her own brothers wives at parental home and came out of 2 or 3 more such marriages later. What ever may be the problem after marriage, men and his family is blidnly accused.

tell me how many cases when a women die at husband family is not arrested? may be 5%. Police runningly catch, in-laws running file complaint to gain lumpsump from son-in-law to take advantage from own dauthers natural death.

this seems un real but these are 100% reall and happenings as usually in urband india.
Disclaimer: This is entirely my opinion only, and there is no attempt to cloud anyone's judgement or manipulate perceptions in anyway, and statistics taken from indiastat.com, frontline. names changed. email id removed if mailed back with subject "remove".




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1) SUICIDE RATE BEFORE MARRIAGE IN INDIA MEN:WOMEN 1:1.1 , AFTER MARRIAGE IN 30s/40s 3.4:1. 3.2 TIMES MEN DIE. IT INCREASING FURTHER
AFTER 50S AND 60S --suicide stats (498a.org/contents/general/frontline_suicide.pdf)

2) ALL INDIAN STATISTICS FROM ALL AGENCY IS GOING BY police station FIRs AND NOT BY COURT CONVICTIONS FROM 2 DECADES. FROM COURT RULING ONLY IT IS 8% OUT OF THEM ARE REAL (this is not chosen as stats by feminists). IT IS A SURPRISE!! BCOZ NONE RESEARCHED.

3) 68% OF THESE FIRs ARE (44,000/YR) ARE RELATED TO MISUSE 498A.

4)MEDIA HYPE IN INDIA ABOUT BIASING WOMEN ON THIS FOR LAST 2 DECADES MADE TO THINK PPL(PARTICULARY YOUNG WOMEN) LIKE THIS, AND NO ONE IS INVESTIGATING THE REALITY.

5) ELDER ABUSE IN INDIA IS THE 4TH LARGEST IN THE WORLD

6) EVERY 3RD FAMILY HUSBAND IN URBAN INDIA IS SILENTLY SUFFERING REGARDLESS OF GOVT SERVANT OR PRIVATE

7) 498A IS FILED FOR MENTAL HARRASSMENT IN 92% CASES. REMAINING DOWRY DEMAND REASONS. NO FRESH WOUNDS ON THE BODY AT ALL, AND THESE 92%
STATISTICS FIRs PARTICIPATE IN JUDGING CRIME AGAINST WOMEN IN INDIA LARGELY

8) MEN ARE DYING AND GETTING PEECHY/WEAK/DEPRESSION DUE TO HEAVY BURDEN FROM HOME AND OUTSIDE AND NO ONE CARES AND BOTHERS

9)DIABESTES RATES FOR INDIAN MEN IN 40s IS ONE LARGEST IN THE WORLD

10) 7000 WOMEN DIE BY SUICIDE EVERY YR, BUT 22000 MEN DIE BY SUICIDE, WHY THESE STATISTICS ARE HIDDEN STATING OTHER REASONS.

11) INDIA GOT MORE THAN 400 WOMEN ORGS, THIS IS THE MAIN REASON FOR MEDIA HYPE AND SPOILING MINDS OF EVERYONE IN INDIA FOR FUND-FOR-
SELFISH REASONS.

Disclaimer: These are my personal views and research and experience in this field and nothing to do with others or their nature.

My intensive research on this for 3 yrs.

It is women orgs (particularly men-hatred and family broken women) and media which brought this hype of dowry killing and suicide of women.

Here are the real statistics"
Men:women is 1:1.1 suicide rates before men get married. www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1821/ 18210960.htm
After marriage in 35s/40s men: women 3.4:1. may be this is surprsising for you. you know why this is hidden for decades, power of women orgs and processions all over india.

I agree women are suffering, for that we need social thinkers/social engineers to design laws. Our structure is very sensitive and complex. majority women org mbrs I believe are men hatred because of their personal marital problems. they take rvenge on society this way or for fund-for-selfish reasons. otherwise, funds gets stopped from various international organisations in miilions of they can't produce data or media news back to such organisatins. Lawyers, bad politicinas eveyrone is involved to have such laws in society one sided, coz they are surviving mainly on this. 72% cases in Indian courts are related to these cases only. If I am wrong do your intensive silent research. your research can be extensive, but do it without hate mongering. you know western life, I see western lifefor last 6 yrs. Its absolutely give and take, and nothing else. These feminists orgs and western interests are trying to break this feed/provide/protect Indian women by their husbands (mild thinking husbands) to bring westernisation into India.

It is absolutely hype that women of india has been suffering from ages. no one is calmly researching this.
If you closely notice with indian city women and western women, you will find that indian women look healthy, shining and colored even in 40s/50s; compare it with same city men, you will reveal yourself secret of life in india. Men are oily/dull/peechy/un shining weak...majority are like as such..with bald head..this is not one generation effect...research into it...

This happens for stress through several generations to feed/provide for fello family members.

Problem is mind less and hurry more men in India are 90%. They are shouting and thinking that they are male dominated. but in reality it is their shouting and posing. These men blindly support and feed family/spouse without any reciprocation back from them. This never happens anywhere part of the world. Only developing nations.

Bringing laws like dvact/dpact/498a with much loops holes to misuse is nothing but, we are dragging this chance from women. these laws scaring men. Educated women are bad and good and same as men. So, laws should be designed carefully and not like this.

"I can't ask my wife her salary to share for me or my children (regardless of whether she can give her money to her parents) , but I must pay rent or give her money for day to day chores, othewise 20,000 Rs or 1 yr jail with non-bail."
Do you thnk how many gentleman start thinking seriously about staying with a wife in controlling environment.?

We are getting globalization, men start thinking seriously and twice about feeding or providing women. Acutally this is the century, wives in India have pamper husbands for the change of mind set; instead these things exponentially cause divroces in the soceity.
I will never leave my son to live with a women who controls him and gets him depressed mentally or physically. I dont want any inch of his bone to get reduced. When I thnk this much about my son, do you think I can marry with such laws and knowing reality of generation of men faces/physical structure...

These laws breaking the foundations of marriage. If women are abused at home and fresh wounds exists on the body, that is called domestic violence and laws should be designed as such.
what are these bloody things that women after coming to parental home and 1 yr later filing non-bailing 498a seciton on husbands. 98% of cases are acquitted in 498a though judges in india are far women biased just like blind media.

Men come out of marriage in India, it is dangerous task for him, but for women it is finger tip. Is this human rights? If one knows his wife is adultery women, he has to think 10 times before leaving her and to go for mahabhart yudh preparation of 498a. And you call this a law.

Definition of a law from webster or oxford should be fair and free for the society. where is fairness here? why women are seen differently in society with vedic age look as laxmi or sita, when they are really not in urban india.

4 out of 6 girls you meet on the road in cities know about dance clubs and they are same or faster than boys and how do you think, I can let my son to be in their hands with these weapons. I dare to send my son to live with one such spouse, provided if both have fairness towards law. If he is cheated, he comes out of her or she should. But it costs 5 to 8 yrs on avg. to come out of courts to resolve a marital conflict. I say average.

I know many women who couldnt cope with husband family, could never cope with her own brothers wives at parental home and came out of 2 or 3 more such marriages later. What ever may be the problem after marriage, men and his family is blidnly accused.

tell me how many cases when a women die at husband family is not arrested? may be 5%. Police runningly catch, in-laws running file complaint to gain lumpsump from son-in-law to take advantage from own dauthers natural death.

this seems un real but these are 100% reall and happenings as usually in urband india.
Disclaimer: This is entirely my opinion only, and there is no attempt to cloud anyone's judgement or manipulate perceptions in anyway, and statistics taken from indiastat.com, frontline. names changed. email id removed if mailed back with subject "remove".




---------------
1) SUICIDE RATE BEFORE MARRIAGE IN INDIA MEN:WOMEN 1:1.1 , AFTER MARRIAGE IN 30s/40s 3.4:1. 3.2 TIMES MEN DIE. IT INCREASING FURTHER
AFTER 50S AND 60S --suicide stats (498a.org/contents/general/ frontline_suicide.pdf)

2) ALL INDIAN STATISTICS FROM ALL AGENCY IS GOING BY police station FIRs AND NOT BY COURT CONVICTIONS FROM 2 DECADES. FROM COURT RULING ONLY IT IS 8% OUT OF THEM ARE REAL (this is not chosen as stats by feminists). IT IS A SURPRISE!! BCOZ NONE RESEARCHED.


3) 68% OF THESE FIRs ARE (44,000/YR) ARE RELATED TO MISUSE 498A.

4)MEDIA HYPE IN INDIA ABOUT BIASING WOMEN ON THIS FOR LAST 2 DECADES MADE TO THINK PPL(PARTICULARY YOUNG WOMEN) LIKE THIS, AND NO ONE IS INVESTIGATING THE REALITY.

5) ELDER ABUSE IN INDIA IS THE 4TH LARGEST IN THE WORLD

6) EVERY 3RD FAMILY HUSBAND IN URBAN INDIA IS SILENTLY SUFFERING REGARDLESS OF GOVT SERVANT OR PRIVATE

7) 498A IS FILED FOR MENTAL HARRASSMENT IN 92% CASES. REMAINING DOWRY DEMAND REASONS. NO FRESH WOUNDS ON THE BODY AT ALL, AND THESE 92%
STATISTICS FIRs PARTICIPATE IN JUDGING CRIME AGAINST WOMEN IN INDIA LARGELY

8) MEN ARE DYING AND GETTING PEECHY/WEAK/DEPRESSION DUE TO HEAVY BURDEN FROM HOME AND OUTSIDE AND NO ONE CARES AND BOTHERS

9)DIABESTES RATES FOR INDIAN MEN IN 40s IS ONE LARGEST IN THE WORLD

10) 7000 WOMEN DIE BY SUICIDE EVERY YR, BUT 22000 MEN DIE BY SUICIDE, WHY THESE STATISTICS ARE HIDDEN STATING OTHER REASONS.

11) INDIA GOT MORE THAN 400 WOMEN ORGS, THIS IS THE MAIN REASON FOR MEDIA HYPE AND SPOILING MINDS OF EVERYONE IN INDIA FOR FUND-FOR-
SELFISH REASONS.

Disclaimer: These are my personal views and research and experience in this field and nothing to do with others or their nature.

Sumanth, though this may deviate a little from the thread, I wanted to point out that often when a spouse is physically/mentally abused, be it a man or a woman, the children too become the victims.

I have often wondered who takes care of the little ones. Is there some organization where one can turn to when one sees a child being harmed by the parents?

google triggered this article into my email under topic "dowry 498a"

thanks sumanth for ur try

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1841630,0008.htm

"Renuka wants entire village booked for sati."

This article says that "Sati cases are too few and far between". However, Renuka Choudary is pushing for ammendments in Sati prevention Act so that entire villages can be booked even if one case of Sati is reported. Wonderful!

There are thousands men, women and children who have been caught up in the web of misuse of IPC section 498a. Many people have committed suicides, lost their health, jobs and mental peace. Many children have lost their chance of a healthy childhood. But no ammendments will be made to incorporate checks and balances and punishment for misuse of law. The reason often stated is that there are only stray cases of misuse. How can stray cases fill up police cells and courtrooms and how can there be thousands of innocent victims from very few cases of misuse. Is "thousands" not a big enough number?

Very very honest write-up.
It is very unfortunate that the persons who could never make their own family, who have SKEWED PERSONALITY, who have GENDER BIASNESS are making FAMILY LAWS in India.
This law is made with ulterior motive of destroying FAMILY SYSTEM in India, because the law makers themselves could not adjust to it.
Its time we take social responsibility and remove such persons from law making authorrity.

Sumanth
Thanks for spreading the word that this DV act is Retro Effective
Your helplines will only get busier.

Deepti
The children remain with the mothers. Commonly fathers go on to marry again very easily and do no want the perceived excess baggage(children) which may pose as a hurdle.

I can show introduce you to such 35 women I know anytime.

Pro-activist, men cannot remarry unless they get through all the legal hassles. Even if they get a divorce they would still have to wait long enough to make sure the wife will not appeal the decision (even if it was a mutual consent divorce). So, if you get sued when you are thrity, you are talking about trying to get remarried when you are past 35. That is not very easy. Also, most of these men are once bitten twice shy. A lot of them do not have the desire to remarry left in them. I can show you thousands of them.

Children remain with their mothers, a lot of times because women tend to exercise more rights on their children and not necessarily because men think of kids as a baggage. There are many fathers who pine for their children but they are not allowed to see them. They cannot even secretly visit their children for the fear that the wife might file additional cases against them in the name of attempt to child abduction or something like that. So, it is really not as simple as you put it.

Domestic violence against children, as Sumanth says, is not addressed by Indian law. Children abused in their homes have nowhere to go. Just as a thought experiment, I wonder how it would be if a child's word is taken for its face value and every adult (man or woman) who abuses them is arrested immediately.

UC, your arguments are baseless and childish. Or it is a desperate attempt to shield the men behind women.

Half the Indian men who have married again have never divorced their first wife.

1)Several famous south indian actors are examples of this.

2)Muslim men are free to marry 4 times by merely saying 3 words.
3) Ravi Kishen too
4) Boney Kappor and Dharmendra
5)and in rural society divorce never exists. It is Ok to marry.

Wake up.

Sued......LOL LOL...In india huh?? Possible??? ;)
Seems like you are hell bent on getting married.

If you go on the sif website(which I am sure you have) and we too have recieved those kinky videos on our email ids--almost forced down on us and we all thouhgt it was porn first. But when we saw it, we saw 2 cruel women begging for justice and asking NCW to forgive them coz they are women. Bullshit. What hypocrisy. Guilt is written all over their faces.

Coincidently..one of the women was the SIL of my aquaintance and I happen to know her coz we helped her out. And she is begging NCW to forgive her. From what I heard from this victim, her husband and SIL are suffering to the core coz of their own deeds and their own mother died alone.

The beauty of NCW is that it treats everyone equally.


Whereas children remain with their mothers coz men themselves do not wnat their child and dont even pay child maintenace. We do not even want it lest the fathers demand time. We can manage it.

You know what advise men are given " you are young, dont pine for your kids, remarry again"

Proactivist,

pls. do not loose your tongue against the truth. pls. have self-respect by yourself, when you see in a mirror. After all we die, with this self-respect and reality and not hatredness as feminist orgs do.

proactivist - are you from other planet? dunno present middle class india in the last few years. If any men are in the hands of bad women, they are finished in India for 80 yrs span in any small court. you can't hide the truth. when you talk celebrities, they are westernised, I am talking about a common wo/ men

I meant 8 yrs - apologize

Time to come together at throw this useless Congress (UPA) Govt. out of power for ever.
9 out of 10 of their decisions are getting challenged in Supreme Court. There is no leadership as every ministry is trying to come to light by generating more and more controversies to their benefit. Our useless PM is just a doll who became PM by accident and definitely not willing for another term. If he speaks in his congress pariwar against Super PM or ... , he might be slapped with DV for emotional, economical (think more) abuses.

This all is happening on cost of our Nation.

This UPA Govt. and especially Congress and CPI are anti-Men Parties. The tainted ministers in UPA are not resigning as Congress explains-'Every one is innocent until proven guilty in the court of Law'. The same party revoked TADA and POTA because of its misuse. But the same Congress makes and supports draconian laws like 498A, 304B and now DV where accused are guilty until they prove themselves innocent. And even if they prove themselves innocents, there is no law to punish the misuser of law. Are we not governed by a double standard party (coalition). .

Let's throw this party out of power to teach a lesson to the Opposition that they should start speaking in favor of Men too.

Renuka Chaudry want to see many women divorced as she left her husband.

From its name it self it says its Domestic Violence Act instead Domestic Harmony Bill.thats her real hidden agenda.

For:Dv Act Award Site

Sumanth

Here is the proactive response of Respected Madame Renuka Chowdhury. Remember she is a DOER and reactionary


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New Delhi, November 11: Dismissing criticism that the new Domestic Violence Law was too harsh on men, Minister for Women and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury has said women lived in dangerous situations and ruled out any immediate amendments to it.


"Women live in dangerously self-embracing situations. Even if you see it as a ferocity in the Act or the ambit is too wide, please understand that women are burnt to death, beaten to insensitivity," Chowdhury told Karan Thapar in his Devil's Advocate interview for CNN-IBN.

Asked whether she would consider amendments to the law in the light of the criticisms, she said she was open to doing it but not at the moment.

"There's always need for corrections and amendments in any law as we progress, as a society develops and the needs arise. But for what? Hypothetically, before we reach the bridge and cross it if you want me to make amendments, I won't," Chowdhury said.

To a question on whether men should suffer before the Act undergoes changes, she said in a lighter vein, "That's not a bad idea except I have such pity for men."

"Any law is better than no law at all" when protecting women are concerned, she said.

Questioned about the concept of verbal abuse, which has been criticised by former Attorney General Soli Sorabjee, as being silly to convert sarcasm into an offence, Chowdhury said, "What you deem as silly is really not something I've created today. Under the IPC speaking in a vein that is denigrating to the status of women, which removes her from dignity, is very much an act (offence)."

"It's over-trivialising and over-simplifying this Act. Please understand, despite all the checks, women are burnt," Chowdhury said.

She dismissed doubts being raised about the law on grounds that it could be misused, saying, "Because of a minute percentage of people who misappropriate an Act are you saying I should not bring an Act?"

Chowdhury said the law reflects the need for a society to be given direction. "We have put in broad parameters and we will see in which direction the law goes."

When questioned about the law covering divorced wives and former girlfriends, she justified this by saying, "Because women even in those relationships have been harassed and held to ransom. There have been enough divorced women who have been divorced for various reasons and their money is not returned.

"Because a woman is removed from her house, she is threatened, forced, coerced and then you have an ex-parte divorce... I cannot accept every divorce has been examined on the merits of the case," she said.

She said divorced wives and girlfriends were deliberately included within the ambit of the Act to cater to situations in which a man violates his custodial rights or his restraint order.

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BRAVO LADY....you have given many a sleepless nights

Renukas team..I agree that she has given many a sleepless nights. BUT only those who do not know SIF. SIF is made by ppl like freedom fighters of India. DV act possibly bring sleepless nights to either your mother, brother or your son, for which they are fighting.

Deepti,

Children who are in abusive families grow in distress. The damage to these children is irrepairable. The social impact of this is huge. No amount of laws can rectify them, if they take to crime in future.

But, you can notice that enlightened citizens of this country do not want to take any responsibility to create a better society.

In stead, they want to delegate the social work to Corrupt and unjust Police, Judiciary and govt officials.

They feel laws and police can transform a country when the citizens have no social responsibility. Even in Gender issues, I do not think any citizen has taken any social responsibility apart from asking police to do the job.

The problem is with the citizens of this country and not with the government. They do not want to empower themselves. They want to empower police.

Indians also have a poor sense of acknowledgement of their rights and rights of others. Indians believe that rights of a person are not defined, but change according to situation.

The pathetic behaviour of people reflects in the behaviour of the parliamentarians.

Just yesterday, we had a sif bloggers meet at Press Club and then we went to Cunningham Road. I can see small children working (cleaning) in a restaurent.

How many Bangaloreans will even take a note of it?

Its is upto the citizens to decide whether they want power in their lives or they want power in the hands of Police or corrupt govt officials.

You can just find millions of rupees paid as bribes in Property Registration offices. It happens in open. How many citizens think of recording it and putting it in the internet or protesting against it? Citizens do not even understand that corruption is a criminal offence.

you mean this dv/dp/498a act in its form is good for the country, unless you are thinking of your children or you are married and aged..

My mother never; uprightly throw it away. Reasons ==>

In Western nations, women are not supported by husband or anyone. It goes by give and take policy in marriage. In 2005 as per USA census it is said Marriage is getting extinct in USA.

do you think any man on the land of india will accept someone he is feeding can control him meaninglessly? by criminal terror fear. Marriage will 100% destroy in a year or 10 yrs, But certainly it will. I guess, outsiders of india is involved for this.

Those women, who are not thinking and running fastly behind feminist organisations are not thinking in a dimension calmly whether it really helps preserve our culture and soul.

These laws will be used sprucely by manipulative women largely. If any sita using it, her mind will be slowly spoiled by other bad women to misuse it and "umbrella of control" starts in her family. Marriage closes shortly.

How can a luv/trust/attachment relationship runs with police, using economic/emotional abuse without physical abuse?

In otherwords, we are getting pulled by western nations for their form of life style. no one is thinking about this.

un married women age grows and they will be more burdened like western women to manage herself or her father less(if) family. No man will come forward to marry her or to live with her in fear of 498a or DV act. what will be the fate of the country?

If you see urban women look healthy and ready for beauty contest, but even higher position men or a bureacrat look dry face, peechy personality or dull/pale structure. Am I wrong in not making this research properly? though we call india, male-dominated, it is never. These men are attached and running their families blindly with no expectation. Such highly position kinda men never take care of their women such way in any part of western life. This happens only in India. Now these men start thinking seriously. These men learn theri sons to stay away from urban women for marriages.

Laws when designed in bias to women should have been designed bias towards education and literacy as well. Govt must had designed DVact or
498a differently for educated women after 10th or intermediate atleast, so that misuse gets stopped and country would have flourished infrastructurally. Urban educated ill-women is as cruel as a urban educated ill-men. dont you agree? In that case, how do you agree to keep such laws in the hands of such women? dont you think such women crime increases in society and go unnoticed as there is no law for bad married women to get arrested.

I came to know about this after looking life in the west for several years. Western nations are male dominated but not India.

Infrastructure of India will further deteriorate because all significant thinkers loose balance of their mind to perfectly. 5% intellectuals responsible for 70% growth of the country, anyone thought about this. and this 5% disturbed for 5 to 20 yrs due to 498a or dv act!! what happens? present fate of country happened.

Because of blackmail, by-controll, implicit marital conflicts and years together fight inside courts JUST for finance distribution among couple. Bureacrats and intellectuals mind this way gets ruptured and can't contribute well or time for the infrastructure better for the country. Intellectuals continue to leave the country.

This is what you wanted DV or 498a in current form. if any innocent women is learnt about such laws, and one bad individual is enough to change their minds to control their husbands. That starts destruction of marriage and take a lot of time and resources of individuals.

Today india infrastrcutre is affected, I believe, strong reason is 498a. Many officials participate in corruption as they became imbalanced, selfish not thinking properly for the development of the country, just because their minds are affected for 5 to 15 yrs period in controlled, blackmailed marriage. you can't imagine what happens to brain or physiology of human when stressed for years together. That outcome is the present physic structure of men in India.

In future, just like in the west, women be it mother, sister will be fed by only brothers or fathers only. Concept of husband will die. If they get husbands, they get poor husbands, who are economically not well otherwise not. Just western life pervades all walks of life in India. Marriage will not happen (bcoz, boys parents learn boys not to, I learn my son to..i need his physical health and mental helath rather marriage life).

Many intellecutals(70% 498a cases) masters, phds, engineers, doctors are around courts for 5 yrs to 8 yrs to just become innocent after trials. Is this the way country using intellectual resources/proeprty for the country? is this what we wanted India to be?

There is chance for India only when dedicated, sacrifice women role is required. India doesn't afford feminism. It affords active role of BEST women for the development of the nation. Women who are in wonderful marriage and at the same time helping hands for the country flourish and not feminists.

I end up saying only one thing before western feminism takes its troll completely -

Good women ROLE is must for Indias growth and to preserve marriage value system and spiritual india. Pls. think calmly for a day or 2 and read western life and indian life difference, where it comes. I want my daughter to be part of this marriage system and not living outside marriage with multiple parterns in the name of liberation.

Once majority of Indian men are learnt not to provide/protect/feed his wife for no reciprocation/expectation from herside, that is westernization.

Do you think, a man who simply becomes a pet dog with economic/emotional violence usage by a urban controlling any women. I dont think so. Marriage will 100% break. BUT if the man is intelligent enough to become a beggar, what happens to the fate of that women in the current indian critcal/difficult economy, has any
one thought about it. She will be forced to enter into mal-profession for survival. Bad elements use her more and more. Is this feminism?

Such cases grow exponentially from year after year. Men stop marrying if not now, after 5 yrs. parents will no longer marry their boys. they learn them how to stay away and take care of themselves.

I disclaim all liabilities, these are my opinions & thoughts and experience for the help to other mankind preserving spiritual india.

Renuka'sTeam,

Good luck. I would request you and your team to come out with more amd more such laws.

70% of women are facing domestic violence in India (says UN). I am really worried about wives of the "Male Dominated" parliament. They have to educated first about this law.

I am single. I carry voice recorders and wireless CCD cameras. Every day SIF members are making me listen hours of verbal abuse and threats recorded on their mobile phones.

DV Law will get neutralised once the man or his family has the recorded evidences.

Soon each man (or woman) can wear a permanent data logger which can keep records of all the interactions that a person has. Physical, mental, economic and sexual.

My Guru Kevin Warwick already did that years back(Link).

Many Men are vowing not to marry to Indian women till laws are made Gender Neutral. Let us see who has a bigger need.

Indian Men must follow President APJ Abdul Kalam, former prime minister AB Vajpayee and Ratan Tata.

These guys have lived life their way. They are healthy and they have a very meaningful life.

After the implementation of Domestic Violence Law and its increasing popularity, I guess thousands of considerate men will line up to marry the girls who filed 498a or domestic violence law against their innocent husbands and in-laws.

SIF members are rejoicing. Some have created a database with "MTV Fully Falthu" style naming conventions.

Many considerate men will also line up to marry sisters and daughters of politicians, police officials, judges, social workers and influential people.

Many men would also like to marry those women whose husbands have committed suicide after a simple, silly, petty quarrel.

Nitish Katara was a man of great courage that he choose the date a women with such great and considerate brothers.

I can see one such brother lurking out there who is ready to do everything for his sister. It seems his sister is not getting any maintenance. A woman will not get any maintenance if she is working or her husband is not earning anything.

So, now it is the time for brothers of woman to beat up, murder, harass the boyfriend/husband of the woman. Their grouse, "how the hell you sleep with my sister?" The views of the sister are not important at all as in case of Nitish Katara.

I am getting regular calls where the brothers of the woman want to settle scores while the woman has no problems with her husband. After forcing the sister to take irreversible actions, the brothers go around ranting that the life of their sister is ruined. Such men are so controlling that they will not allow the sister to marry again as well.

Men want to protect and provide for women. So, one set of men have declared war against another set. Everyone is claiming that in this war between two groups of men, women will get empowered.

As it is dawning on 21st century Indian female bloggers, there is a sudden silence from them. The Male Chauvinistic Pigs (like a guy called "Sriraam") who call others "Sons of Bitches" even while swearing about "women's rights/respect to women" are still in 16th century.

My own father-in-law and his patriarchal male relatives verbally abused, insulted my mother in the most offensive manner. That moron even wrote nasty emails saying that my mother does not care about society, caste people and she lives her life the way she wants to live. I have all records in my official and private email accounts. Still, I tolerated that fellow for years by forgiving him.

That patriachal moron also gave me lessons on how I need to control my mother.

Indian Legal system gave no justice to my mother. Indian judicial system did not recognise my mother's right to dignity and right not to get abused on phone and emails. I have all records.

I was in a foreign country for most part of my marriage.

How can I trust that this Judicial System can give justice to any innocent women, which does not even consider that a man's mother can be abused by brothers and father of his wife.

Is there a provision to stop this kind of violence against women in DV Law?

Now the feminazis are resorting to the type of cheap tricks Bush used to convince people about the threat of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. There are articles of women being abused everywhere in India. And this media hype is supposed to instil fear and convince everyone that women in India are living in the most precarious conditions one can imagine. Are they assuming that the Indian public is so dumb? Well maybe they are. But the Domestic Violence Act might just be the thing that'll shake up and wake up the youth of India and remind them that we cannot sleep like our parental generation did and let morons rule us.

This is an extraordinary eye-opening string!! I have used the example of bride burning for many years as an example in my Moral Reasoning classes. I will certainly stop using it! What the explosion of FCPs has done in America is by and large led to the end of marriage. It is vastly safer in America to "shack up" and have children out of the abusive system of marriage than to marry. Men who have children outside of marriage, only pay child support, a vastly less expensive proposition than the downright theft that occurs when a marriage dissolves. Marriage is now an institution that punishes whichever partner makes a larger income. What this means is as the state becomes more and more invasive, marriage will inevitably simply disappear in the West. Marriage is simply becoming too dangerous. Check out RADAR.

The institution of Marriage was framed to provide and feed women. It was the demand and expectation from women that they should be fed and taken care of while they produce babies.

The only binding force for a woman in marrige is the security(primarily financial) that it provides. With ferocious and draconian laws like 498A and DV act out in public, all modern women have become aware that they can blackmail and exhort money from husband and family by threatening them of abusing the provisions in law.

Now whenever there is a difference, the first question that comes to a woman's mind is, Can I live with this difference and enjoy the money earned by husband or Should I go for a booty(jackpot) and opt out of marriage.

With women organizations and feminists propogating the idea of pseudo liberal
woman, more and more women are looking for the viability of second option. The woman's financial security is guaranteed, even if she opts out of marriage, irrespective of reason.
All this bullsit about why woman would want to break her marriage is all farce. For a woman all that matters are the financial implicaitons, whether it comes from remaining within a marriage or being outside it by claiming a huge alimony. This is something very intrinsic to the female gender.
The cliams about social pressure e.t.c keeping a woman bound to marrige are mostly hollow. It is only the men who have believed in the concept of sacrifice for common cause and maintaining culture and tradition.
Women since ages have only been forced to follow culture and tradition by male dominated society of yesteryears. Women never bought this concept of value and culture system, they were just forced to follow.
Now that the cat is out of bag, you can not challenge a woman to curb her internal instincts of doing whatever she feels is in her best interest even if it amounts to claiming otherwise immoral share from others(husband and family inclusive).

"For a woman all that matters are the financial implicaitons, whether it comes from remaining within a marriage or being outside it by claiming a huge alimony. This is something very intrinsic to the female gender."

"It is only the men who have believed in the concept of sacrifice for common cause and maintaining culture and tradition."

Those are kind of sweeping statements, aren't they...Just as the statements made by the likes of Renuka?

Sumanth

IF what you tell is true, then it is awful what your mother endured.

Such women if come to us and if they give us incorrect information will obviously not be helped. Though we trust them point blank, they cannot be helped coz the info is false.

It is simple: If you want to be helped and want mmoral support, then we all need to speak the truth so that we can take the right action path.

Voice recorders, even we do carry them, use and have them, monbile phones that record converssations etc . Let us see.

In all probability you are talking about a different set of men and me a different set of women.

I am sorry...if I hurt some good women...there are always some good apples :). BTW, I am speaking totally from my personal experience ... having gone through in last less than a year.

I was different(totally different) a year back...alas having realised the truth first hand I can never be the same again...

I know how it is! I was a different man few years back, and after going through immense trauma of 498A for more than four years, my entire mindset has changed. Of course, my entire family came out clean from the false 498A case, but I have seen my innocent old parents' and sister's silent suffferings for no fault of their's. After this 498A mess, my parents look so weak, frightened and atleast 10 years more older than their actual age. Whom to blame? I will never be the same man again!

Hardy and Bharat,

you have a duty infront of you to cleanse this society and remove "radical feminists" from their positions before they take India completely and make it west.

Become like freedom fighters. Write clearly and boldly to the point questioning primeminister, president and almost all MPS, cabinet with nice email content asking them again and again..why they are getting responsible in making Indian culture to the west?

Why are they bluntly accepting laws designed by selfish organisations like NCW, feminists-orgs and why not social-engineers for the complex structure?

It is simple, man or women undergo domestic violence inside a marriage (whoever is weak). Then provide immediate relief for physical violence whenever happens (by fresh wounds). Compensate the victim.

RATHER having BULLSHIT laws like CURRENT 498a, DV act, DP act, emotional, economic, verbal etc.,
These women orgs are not specialized in designing laws (as cardiologist knows ones heart) for complex Indian structure; ask them( by email) why they allowed such women to implement laws?; Question them continously till your email gets response. Create more family rights orgs. Talking here doesn't help.


regds
shahid

Marriage is supposed(My Assumption) to tone down any experimental, eratic, daring, teenage tendencies of young males which may result( or provoke them) into suicides.

Apparently, the suicide stats thus cited seems to portray a even more gloomer picture of married Indian males. If my above assumption is true then the ratio of frustration/exasperation of men:women due to domestic issues is more than "44.7 : 25".

Please watch Devil's advocate in CNN-IBN now. It is interview of Renuka Chowdhury on DV Law and she is in bad shape.

STATISTICS AND EMPIRICAL ANALYSIS:

NCRB shows 45% men and 25% women suicide after marriage in India
(http://ncrb.nic.in/ADSI-03.pdf)

Nagaraj research study (reliable stats : 498a.org/contents/general/
frontline_suicide.pdf) states men vs women suicide rates change after
marriage (before marriage 1:0.9) to 3.4 times (age 35-40).

This means

a) suicide rates till marriage Women vs. men: 1: 0.9

b) suicide rates after marriage (nagaraj study): 1: 3.4

c) suicide rates overall : 25%: 46% (http://ncrb.nic.in/ADSI-03.pdf)

d) dowry dispute deaths by police FIR stats (shown at National crime stats
bureau, you can get a copy using RTI) in 2004: 98%: 2% (2585 women in#s: 53 men
in #s suicided in 2004). THIS IS WHAT WOMEN ORGS SHOWING TO THE WORLD.

This 2% men are from women (daughter-in-law) side. Men suiciding in marriage
is not shown here. This figure is terrorizing to rule women orgs, NCW in
amending dangerous laws like 498a and DV/DP act into cultural society.


CORRECTIONS:
Now my question is what happened to 3.4 times maried men?? where they
are?? I mean

That means 10000 suicides in 2004 Nagarajan study ("b")
states --2270 women suicide and 7730 men suicide BUT above "d" states 53 men
only (which is men died from daughter-in-laws family)

Balance 7677 (53 subtracted from 7730) -what happened??. Where are these men
deaths?? That means 7677 men died JUST LIKE THAT. They died due to NO family
problems. Reliable stats already states main reason for suicide is family
problems/issues in India.

So empirical analysis from above research shows that "d" (i.e, 98%
vs. 2%), which is FIRs at police station AND FOOLING COMMAN PPL AND MEDIA
BRINGING DANGEROUS LAWS LIKE 498A, DV ACT.

CORRECT STATS SHOULD BE STUDIED/RESEARCHED IN-DEPTH FOR EMPIRICAL ANALYSIS BY
SOCIAL ENGINEERS AND NOT MANIPULATORS OR MEN HATRED ORGANIZATIONS. I BELIEVE,
THEY ARE IN CAPACITATED BY THEIR INTELLIGENCE TO STUDY THIS.

Conclusions:
In year 2004, 2585 women suicided/killed and 7730 (or close) men
suicided/killed after marriage. This is empirical analysis from above.

Could someone please record and upload Karan Thapar interviewing Renuka. That would be so wonderful.

Looks like proactivist saw the interview too. He/she sounds so different already. Talking about truth, honesty and helping female victims of law!!!! Is this the same proactivist who made senseless remarks earlier? 180 degrees about turn!!! Jai hind!

So do not belive it.
While you guys wait for the countdown to begin...we will do our work
UC are you counting.

Yes, my dear. And we are doing our work too!

The link has been removed.

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/26051/11_2006/devils_renuka1a/the-week-that-wasnt.html

Lets call 'Kick Congress Out' movement. This is the only way to control the devil's design as at this point logic and truth fails to bring change.
And we should/must throw this party out for ever.

Ms. Renuka Chaudhary and her political masters are simply abusing and destroying
the 30000 year old successful Indian Joint family Culture, Indian Social Order and
centuries old Indian Traditions.

With Westernization, the concept of nuclear families where a newly wed couple start
their life alone has caught up in Urban India to some extent. They have to nurture their
children with their own knowledge and earnings; Nuclear woman has to do all the jobs,
single handed, yet also attend to outside work to make both ends meet. The modern
day nuclear kid comes home from school to find an empty house with none to move
around with and he would be fast asleep when his parents return back from work.

But the rural India, which form the major population, (approximately 75%) still follow
the joint family norms.

In an Indian joint family system the father, mother, grandfather,grandmother, sons,
daughters, daughters-in law, their children, etc all live under the same shade sharing
the same food and earnings. Such a gathering of almost three generations is a common
sight in many of India's villages.
The men are the sole-bread winners and they are responsible for the financial security
aspect of the household. The women do all the house chores without any hassles as
they share their work of cooking, cleaning, doing the dishes, washing, etc.
The children have a wonderful time as they have lots of children to play with and elders
to guide them both spiritually and physically.
The joint family system transfers its knowledge about the culture and traditions of the
country to the new generations. So the younger generation learns to live a disciplined life. Financial stability is brought about in the family.
Any imbalance between spouses is easily measured out since there are many elders to
guide and hence has a low rate of divorcees in Joint families.

The Institute of marriage is not only Legal Bond; but it is also Legacy of cultural heritage
with sanctity of value system. This is unparalleled outcome of civilisation.

Social and family order is more important than individual rights.;
and woman's sexuality should be sacrificed to ensure legitimacy.

Ms. Renuka Chaudhary and her Political Masters have Denigrated, Polluted, Dismembered
and Annihilated the Indian Society through the Rubbish gender laws.

Why not disband the Institute of marriage rather to poison the Joint Family System?

Indian Social Scientists and Religious leaders appears to be sleeping with no innovation
and thinking.

Please watch "Devil's Advocate" in CNN-IBN at 4:30pm today(Monday). Karan Thapar takes on Ms.Renuka Chowdhury.

Sure sure.And how she left Karan speechless with her retorts and clarity. A powerful towering lady has achieved alot and DONE ALOT. Karam karam karam karam is what makes a difference. DOER DOER DOER

The ACT has come into force.

Do not cry over spilled milk.
A vernacular geek will keep saying the same thing again and again like a parrot. But a parrot remains in a cage when he repeats like a geek. What happens when he is freed. Nothing.

People have to change. Smartness can fetch anyone loads of bounties even if the book geeky intelligence is lacking. Smartness is what is needed today.

Sumanth

A recent charity event for the upliftment of rural women was held in New York right after Diwali saw huge success. The who's who of town were there to be part of the event. Minimum advertising, no internet converage nothing.

The catch: Personal invitations were sent out to make the event special and extremely private and custom made. Entry only by invitation.

To the point. A entertaining event was put together and big shots, business tycoons of Manhatten were there to mark their presence.

You know how much was collected. More than 10 million. Helloooooo dollars huh???

I wonder and u wonder too, can you fathem if the entry tickets were put on sale what could the collections have been!!!!!

But the goal was not 20 million. The goal was to make everyone feel special and make them feel important while they make a difference to someones like with their contribution.


More such events are happening in the other parts of USA too. Keep a look out, study and realize the facts.

I am sure you must have some contacts in New York, you can check it out with them. Feel free to confirm

Team...ha ha ha...it is at best Renuka's gang...The gang sitting on female sympathy that is evaporating much faster than anticipated by women...

sure hardy.

Was is not you who on another thread concluded foolishly that the DC act cannot have women arrested. Ahem ahemm.....remember??

was it not you who commented on another thread that "why cant we have a powerful lawyer for Jessica Lal??" and a learned female had to put things in perspective for you.

Yours is already evaporated. I can understand a victim of shock huh??

Why is Renuka's team following this discussion and getting all so upset if what general junta thinks is so insignificant? They got what they wanted. Why don't they just go party?

If any LAW maker does not have the sufficient knowledge , then why they make such a stupid LAW ??

The question is unswared , what punishment you will recomended , when a dishonest doughter in law ( Modern Supnakhas ) , abuse our mother and sister ??

The Question is unswered , if your dishonest wife ( Modern Suparnakhs ) , have a adultry relationship and if you asked , why what punishment in this domestic violence bill provides ??

The question is unswered , if a Modern Ravan , bring his girl friend , how a legal wife will through her out of house ??
The question is unswared , when a person know that his wife can through his all family member in the name of Domestic violence from their own house , will any one will dare to marry a girl who does not have a house in her name ??
This is a very badly drafted bill and the definition of domestic violence , mention as Verbal abuse , mental harasement and economical abuse and the word relative is the problem , which the LAW maker are not ready to accept .

If any LAW maker does not have the sufficient knowledge , then why they make such a stupid LAW ??

So , well come this domestic violence bill and ensure that Indian women should dig thier own feet , the way today in 498A case 70 % people are behind the bar without any investigation are women only !!!!

All

This is not a biased but from a true innocent person of an India.

From the biography of Ms Renuka Choudhary it is very clear and evident that she did not have a brother. I hope she has/had legal father to begin with. Then she does not have a son as she has only daughters that too 2, who will be unlucky to marry them....?

Also she has left her husband and BTW as per medical science daughters are borned because of the chromosomes in a man and because of a woman but we all Indians are unlucky to have her husband such chrmosomes to get only daughters.

Now from this statistics what all you expect from her. She has no feelings whatsoever for father, brother, husbands and sons. And that is why this man-hatred law. Guyd did you follow anything?

Thanks,
Truefriend

#65(null) thanks for the squabble you choose to pickup...

> Was is not you who on another thread concluded
> foolishly that the D'V' act cannot have women
> arrested. Ahem ahemm.....remember??

No I was not...You must be reading you own comments to have concluded that...

> was it not you who commented on another thread > that "why cant we have a powerful lawyer for
> Jessica Lal??" and a learned female had to put
> things in perspective for you.

My experience with law and crime is very limited...I hope the "learned female" had a more vast expereince with the world of crime and murder. Anyway I am happy that i was enlightened with information...and I am least bothered where it come from...unlike you who pretty much want to think in closed doors and listen just to yourself and your favourite renuka, irrespective of how illogical rant she and her gang had been braying all these years...

To Hardy

296
Hardy
November 9, 2006
02:08 AMHi Abhijeet, It is not that people do not realize that women can be cruel and mean as well. Even the women themselves know for sure how cunning and evil they are. All philosophers and men of all ages have always been wary of evil women. This bull shit of women being weak and sufferers at homes has been pushed through only in last 30 odd years. People before that knew how well to manage family disputes within four walls. Houses where female had the upper hand in internal affairs were almost in same proportion to where males had a dominant role. Just that when it came to external affairs men were more active and visible.


It is the MCPs (looking for sexual favors from any woman who-so-ever available) and the politicians looking for votes who pretend this ignorance.

As for DV act, it has been carefully drafted to avoid clashes between women. 498A was poorly drafted in the sense that some woman (mothers and sisters) cribbed about it being used against them. A whole hearted attempt to remove that deficiency/snag has been made in the newly crafted DV Act, such that it is now an all out war between males and females. Alas, MCPs are making best use of women as commodities by seeming to speak in favour of women laws.

CLOSED MEMORY HUH??

uc

Party huh?? No we do not party. We WORK.

Upset and us. Those words cannot be said in the same sentence about us.

we are now working on protection to women at workplace.

Tell me how much time you need to stop us from that or what are you doing constructive. I have been sent here to distract you guys.

null...I stand corrected...thanks

My reading of DV act...

DV act can be applied only against respondants(who are defined as males) and no arrests can be made by Police..if police have made any arrests prima facie under DV act it is illegal...Arrests are made only if protection order issued by Majistrate is breached...

It is possible that Police unknowingly and taking due advantage of ignorance of the victim(unfortunately the respondant party) may have arrested them...but it is deemed illegal.

Let Renuka and the fascists pass thousand laws, nothing will happen.

They claim India is a male dominated country.

Ok. Is there a single country in the world, which is female dominated?

SIF-DDT is enough.

When bitches can not do any damage to men by 498a, attempt to murder and false rape laws, what the hell will they achieve with all these silly laws (accept exposing their naked selves).

Everything listed in DV Law was already going on in Indian Courts (unofficially). But, people who have never been to a court did not have common sense to understand.

With DV Law, the existing terror is formalised.

We SIF guys are enjoying.

Now, we will create such a massive awareness that Millions of women will put DV Law on their husbands. Then the backlash will start as divorces increase, parents are tortured and men are tortured.

Feminists have taken much more than what they can chew in their plate.

Thousands of Dollars collected in Charities will lead to nothing.

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Social Transformation does not happen with Money.
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SIF counsels women who are abused by their husbands. I myself donate to organisations which give employment to women.

Now, people can understand the difference between a vernacular geek and a UBI (unfortunately born in India).

Please use all money to promote so called women's laws which lead to abuse of other women.

Please...

The story of "oppressed women" is oversold and it is at saturated levels.

In last 25 days, the SIF argument has grown more than 100 times. To increase the intensity of feminist argument even 10%, you need one billion.

We are not bothered to win battles.
We will lose battles and win the war.

In last 15 days, the feminist argument in India has taken a serious beating. People are thinking if they can trust women and feminists.

People who are/will be falsely implicated will not sit still. They will make sure to damage whatever goodwill that women (all women) enjoy in the society.

6 lac men face serious threats and abuse every year. The female members of their family are also quite badly abused by male members of their wive's family.

DV Law and 498a will get completely offset once the men start recording evidences. The overconfident female will only have fun in the beginning. But as litigation proceeds, the man will produce proper evidence and get rid of her.

As awareness on Talibani DV Law spreads, Men will stop marrying Feminists, women who file 498a (real or false).

Please note, many influential men/women are/will also get implicated in DV Laws or 498a. Do you think, they are/will keep quite?

YES
Crime is a crime.

Dear team Renuka,

None of us at SIF are worried about any more stupid laws. We already have been struck by one. And we gladly welcome more ridiculous laws because it seems as if that is the only way more and more citizens will become aware of their rights and understand the nasty mindset of you feminazis. Bring it on, baby!

Thank you for the detailed explanations...justifications...and as usual butting in(though no one asked you)

Btw...please check out the previous thread on how worried you all seem. As usual your talks are childish

Gladly welcome huh....then why call it family breaker and fascist.

Choose one or otherwise you sound you suffer from some disorder.

And no need to call me Dear etc and I know you are starved of attention.
Save that for your own members.

also did u check the videos out on who 2 cruel women are crying their crocodile tears and terribly worried about the laws.

Wonderful videos...pleading NCW to forgive them just coz they are women,

Here is the difference between a prostitute and a 498A wife.
And you will find a prostitute is better then 498A wife.

Please read wife = false 498A wife. Renu??'s sisters.

1. Prostitute can blackmail only on husband not his family.

2. Prostitute "kaam karke khana khati hai", not like a wife.

3. Prostitute will say "I will take .... money, first". While wife
enter the house and extort money on the base of 498A.

4. Prostitute has only herself while wife has lots of inlaws support
to earn money. Mostly parents are working as a Dalals of their
daughter.

5. If we trapped in police with prostitute, then prostitute will not
say that his family members are also involved with him. While Police
will arrest our family member on the base of her toungue twist.

6. Prostitute word came from entertainment category while wife came
from divine category, while false 498A wife came from Indian
parliament product.

7. Prostitute taking money on the ground of her beauty, while wife
takes money on 498A (Don't need to have beauty, intelligence,
nothing .............)

8. Prostitutes are Prepaid while Wife is postpaid services, which
man have to pay.

9. Prostitute take ONLY money as a profession, while wife take
Ijjat, Career, jewellery, money, bank balance, property on the base
of blindly support of Indian Parliament and woman organisations.

10. Prostitute get hate from society, while 498A wife get symphathy
from society and law system also, depend upto how they marketing.

11. If police arrest prostitute then, police can enjoy benefit from
prostitute, so she will suffer from it. While in 498A complaint
police enjoy monetary benefit from husband family. Real criminal
(498A wife) enjoy monetary benefit with Indian Parliament Support.
(Karega koi Bharega koi)

12. Prostitutes are in demand, she will be at another place after a
night willingly, while after having 498A wife is not easily remove
from our legal marriage life. (Divorce case takes lots of time)

13. Prostitute can be a wife, but WIFE CANNOT BE A PROSTITUTE.
Stupid thinking of Indian Law.

14. Prostitutes are subjective to sex, while wife are objective to
extract money and harassment on husband.

15. On the compromise of quarrel, If prostitute and a man trapped
then people will see guilty on prostitute while in 498A marriage,
people will advise man to take care of his wife (after 498A cruelty
also)

16. Prostitute never try to sell her childrens, even sometime she
came into this business for survival of childrens FUTURE also. While
wife put childrens in mental and social and career trouble.

17. May be prostitute convert into good life living, while wife
convert into worst life living after 498A due to having their ego
problem.

18. Prostitute can earn lots of money after having work with lots of
people, while wife can try earn lots of money after having 1-2
marriages with 498A tool.


If you find prostitutes are better then false 498A wives then
comment on this.

India has never lacked for laws! the issue is implementation. and implementation always happens after interpretation! and interpretation can be done eitherways bepending upon where the moola is. so, basically all this bruhaha is over really, nothing- just money!!!

NCW and Renuka's team gives the right to abuse the mother and sisters of a husband by the brothers of the wife.

Here is an example. The brother of a woman using the name "null" is ridiculing two sisters who went to NCW to get support (without knowing that NCW is a treacherous corrupt organisation).

I always suspected that feminism is mistress of Patriarchy.

Just one hour back, my lawyer gave some inside information that many feminists in south india who have the habit of sleeeeppping with many, whom they accuse of being patriarchal and powerful.

I was shocked. He refered to specific cases which happened 5 years back and then these cases were supressed.

Dear null,

Thank you for your very detailed remarks too. But as you pointed out we owe you no explanations. So, moving along with more important things...


Karan Thapar's interview is catching on like wildfire. The transcript as well as the video are everywhere and men and women are expressing disgust (that's a subtle word) for the devilish Renuka (I am a woman so I can call people names!) and concern over the demonic law she is supporting. 498a has been increasingly misused for 23 years. Renuka and her ilk call the 98% of false cases as minute proportion of misuse (time for math lessons!) and there has been no talk about amendments to that barbaric law yet. Renuka admits that DV Act may be misused but she will think of amendments when she comes across misuse. Renuka, who misused power to introduce a law which serves as a weapon to further harass and humiliate men (because she thinks it is their turn to suffer) misusing law would not be a big concern. If anything she will congratulate women who misuse law to destroy the lives of others. Renuka will continue to use "women being burnt to death" as her justification for DV Act just as George Bush used weapons of mass destruction and terrorism to support war in Iraq. But the game is already up. DV Act was a stupid move...just like the war in Iraq. In fact DV Act is a more stupid move than the war in Iraq because Ranuka outright declared war on the citizens of her own country. People will not remain silent when they understand that they are being robbled of their fundamental rights in broad daylight. Renuka outdid every politician in this regard. The DV Act threatens every family of legal harassment. And people WILL respond...just like anyone would if their house catches fire.

On the lighter side...

A new idea for men who are genuinely and justifiably frustrated with a woman but are afraid to follow human instinct and call her names because she might use the DV Act against you:

Just call her Renuka Choudary! She's a pretty "bad name"!

Dear Mrs. Thapar, I applaud you for exposing how radicals like Mrs. Chowdhary are falling back to stereotypical rants about how many people of the group they are representing are enduring this or that, once they are asked to back up their claims and give some definitive answers. This behaviour is consistent with radicals all over the world and in all flavours.
Something must have happened to Mrs. Chowdhary, there are clear signs of furious misandry, even hardly hidden anti-male hatred. Generally, no matter which group of people this hatred is directed against, such people are very dangerous and should not be in a responsible position.

What I am missing from the interview is a confrontation with the fact that 1. there are strong indications (over 150 international studies) that suggest men and women are similarly likely to start domestic violence (though women are, on average, more dangerously injured, as one would expect) and 2. massive abuse of these laws especially in the US and Canada has been documented, with millions of restraint orders per year. Just recently, the case of Frances and Leonardo Campione was in the news in Canada. The mentally unstable wife deprived the man of his property, contact to the children and even his freedom with her false allegations. The case would have been just one of many - but then, one day, she killed her two little girls.
I have been observing such matters for years and collected countless other cases. I have first-hand experience with women's rights groups consciously omitting or falsifying information to support their agenda, and being amateurish about hiding this fact.

I don't know how large the percentage of English speaking Indians is, but I am surprised that your country is about to make the same mistake as others already did in plain view, but in an even more dramatic way. All this with plenty of information about what is going to happen to anyone who speaks English and is willing to do some research.

UC

You are a victim of major shock...now u say DV act threatens ...cool.

Sometimes you say you welcome it....nice and to welcome more laws. Nice you are only fit to welcome and do nothing.

Whats next.

Take your time to recover from the shock.

Your whole affair is so transparent. You want to call someone develish...
Then watch those videos. Pure witchism.

But in the other vidoes I know some men are fighting for their right truly.
But see the saddistic videos of those women, criminilism exposed.

and where did I point out to you that you owe me no explanations. Quote me.
Do not put words in my mouth.

Carry on with your big ever so long remarks.

Dear Mrs. Minister,

U are agreeing in every interview that law will be misused and if men will suffer they should speak up. Don't u think its like "you will first spray cynide for mosquitos in your home and then if any of your family member dies u will go for a lesser toxic spray". First use a Baygon spray and then if required go for a higher toxic one. U need to first cover some aspects of domestic violence which u think are a must and there would be no misuse of those in the hands of a bad judge or a clever lawyer.

In the context of an Economic Abuse:
If i am thnking of my brother's marriage i should first enquire about her would be's level and standard of living, their net home income, her shopping habits etc. So, if only the economic status of both the families matches then only he should think of marriage. Don't you think you are opening a 'bazaar' in the institution of marriage.

Don't u think the advice (in my opinion it was a threat rather)u gave to karan was an act of domestic violence. Or may be u were directing the society (women members only) through this new framework.

Thanks,
Neeraj

Karan, Hats Off. This clearly shows how ridiculous politicians can be while they define a law. I don't know why Mrs. Renukaji is so arrogant in defending her silly point even after presenting the statistics. I am part of that 98% false dowry cases. We are a family who are being continuously harrassed on a false 498a since an year. Don't know when will these ministers will AGREE to amend 498a.

Now, here comes another great Politician who is so facinated about her law just to add up to the misery. She doens't even have any clue and goes on to call "Domestic Voilence" of a simple word clash on a TV Interview. I am happy that Mrs.Renukaji is very open for amendment IF SITUATION comes. I am sure one day some politicians will also learn to "LISTEN" or "READ" existing statistics on 498a and in future there will be numbers on DV as well. God knows when DV act can be amended.

Sir, Thapar I will not be surprised if another act comes in the lines of DV. Look at the way these senior politicians are trying to prove their wrong/mis-interpreted point against the society. I doubt if they ever had any education in dealing with definition of law.

In these lines, we must get ready for another similar law; who knows any sister of Renukaji may come forward after 5 years with another law ignoring then statistics on both DV and 498a.

And tell you, if you call her into Devil's advocate -- answer will the same. Why do you need another law? answer will be exactly the same. "We need some law; Thats it."

All the best!!
Srinivasa

News from IBN live:

In the above video2, this participant ruler of the country clearly knows 98% cases of IPC-498a (dowry law) i.e, 98% misuse of dowry laws.

what is 98% MISUSE by dowry law means?:

1) Every year atleast 50,000 families (out of 70,000 police FIRs on 498a) for nearly 15+ yrs (total 7 lkhs 50,000 families or around 0.5 crore people) including intellectuals of the country (5% intellectuals creates 65% infrastructure in most countries) who are responsible for the infrastructure of the country(like scientists, phds, engineers, doctors) wasted their precious time, value, money for 5 to 8 yrs(minimum time it takes in any court for dowry law in india) declared as innocents by hight courts/supremecourts/session courts. These ppl lost faith, trust on the justice system and governance of the country. Many out of these ppl (very elders) depressed, died, diseased, lived in fear cursing at courts at old age before dying. See how the resources of the country wasted for nothing. who is responsible for this? Is this the way country use/d intellectuals or resources for the country.

No one cares poor real suffering several women who not even inside this 100% 498a cases.

Domestic Violence Bill, which is more commonly called AK-47 for modern women has being pass in the Parliament by politicians on the recommendation of women's organisation who are fighting for women's rights. Rights ? ya whatever.

It basically protects the rights of women whenever she is exposed to domestic violence, which includes the following : 1) Any kind of physical assault. 2) Any kind of mental harassment 3) Economic, sexual or emotional abuse. Now this needs to be understood much clearly from the practical perspective about its applicability.

1) Physical assault, well, we all agree that women are much more physically aggressive then men. Men most often refrain from misusing his physical strength especially when it comes to family. On the other hand, women turn extremely hostile when things doesn't work as per her wishes and she would even throw articles and break household objects. The scene is indeed difficult to watch because she out of rage trying to intimidate the family and letting them know that if others do not follow her instructions then she will get more violent. Therefore, more often women are the ones who are the perpetrators of physical assault.

2) Mental harassment. Please let me know if our scientists have managed to objectively quantify the mental harassment of a person. What I know is that mental harassment is highly subjective and relative. It depends on person to person and it is not qualified to compare it with somebody else. If you plan to meet your wife at a restaurant and you turn up 5 minutes late because of the traffic, will this amount to mental harassment ? Yes, it does amount to mental harassment IF your wife refuses to understand the situation. If your wife ask you to buy her a piece of jewelry and if you give her an excuse that you can't afford it, does it amount to mental harassment ? Yes, it does IF your wife wants to be inconsiderate towards you. There are "n" number of incidents happening on a daily basis which only to be rewarded with understanding and let-go attitude. Nobody can agree more that understanding and let-go attitude is the secret of a healthy marriage life. However, what would you do if your wife knows that there exist a law wherein she can accuse you of mental harassment and can send you to jail ? Well, I am pretty sure you would at least give a benefit of doubt to your wife saying that, "nah, I know my wife, she can't accuse me like this, we are having a nice married life, so why should I worry about this law." That is exactly most of the people who are being accused and imprisoned said that same thing what you are saying.

3) Economic, sexual and emotional abuse. Firstly, why would you abuse your wife economically ? I mean, if her desires for buying something important for the family or house, why would you refuse her ? You won't, right ? But if she is demanding something irrational like wanting you to give adhoc payments to her parents then you would certainly want to think twice. You surely respect her parents but not at the cost of your own financial condition. However, on this decision of yours, she has given so-called rights to accuse you of economic abuse. I know its hard to imagine something like this could happen but, yes, its true and it is happening these days. How could your wife accuse you of sexual abuse ? This is indeed hard to digest because if you are married to her then certainly you would also want to have a healthy sex life. Emotional abuse is yet again a relative term and can't be objectively quantified and cannot be presented as proof in the court of law. Even you could be emotionally abused by your wife when she ask you to kick your parents out of your house and if you don't do it, then you are accused of emotional abuse. Now this is a wonderful example. If you are forced to kick your parents out of the house, it isn't emotional abuse and if you don't, it is an emotional abuse to your wife. Wow, we must thank women's organisation to come with such a fantastic rule to ruin all possible scope of understanding between husband and wife.

But, why would these women's organisation come up with such a disastrous rule within the marriage setup ? There is a reason. We all know that women issue is the hot topic of the decade and of course who will not want to gain some popularity by exaggerating any given situation. They pretty well know that their efforts will not be appreciated in rural areas so they try their luck in urban areas and big cities and guess what, they are getting what they are looking for. They would get all the non-sense stories from rural areas on how women are treated and would start a mass campaign in urban cities by using media. They will prepare a report and send it to the Government for approval and as usual the politicians would be too happy to know that they will surely receive their vote if they approve their recommendations. Who is the sufferer ? We people living in urban cities. I wonder how much more time it will take for men to understand their precarious situation in the society because of these women organisation and their ridiculous laws. I hope you have understood what Domestic Violence Bill means. It means you either live like a slave to your wife or go to jail. Now its your choice whether you want to sit relaxed till it happens to you or you do something. What can be done ? You first start talking about it with your friends, colleagues and relatives and persuade them not to tolerate this malpractice. I am sure you are convinced by now that Domestic Violence Bill is no way a solution to marital discord. Now its your choice what you want to do, tolerate or fight.

Comon...Were you guys not WELCOMING THE ACT.

No Unity......ahhhh

What NCW and the Minsitry of Women and Child Welfare should have done:

If NCW and the Ministry of Women and Child Welfare were truly interested in improving the living conditions of women in India they would have focused on empowering women through education (not to confuse with just literacy). Education builds self-confidence and gives one the ability to stand up for oneself. Educating women can also ensure that the next generation of children are raised to treat each other with respect and be better citizens. The Ministry would have worked in collaboration with social scientists and psychologists to understand human behavior in the context of changing social conditions and standards and think about workable solutions to deal with Domestic Violence and other forms of abuse instead of criminalizing ordinary citizens.

Instead of positive measures that can bring about domestic harmony and more sustainable living conditions for both men, women and children, feminists have chosen destructive measures that will have severe consequences on the present and future of India. Feminists are condoning misuse of law and legal exploitation of men, women and children. They are creating a situation of fear and mutual distrust which is bound to have a great impact on interpersonal relationships between men and women in the society. This kind of an environment is very unhealthy for children, who have been completely ingored by the Ministry (whose job includes Child Welfare).

This brings to question if these so called feminists (whom some of us like to refer to as feminazis) have a healthy mindset to begin with and if their agendas are free of ulterior motives. From Mrs. Renuka Chaudary's interview it is crystal clear that there has been no in depth analysis of any sort in bringing about laws like IPC 498a or the DV Act. These laws are simply the result of unhealthy attitudes of a section of women who have developed hatred for men. The laws were introduced only for vindictive purposes and on this front the feminists have been very successful. It is important for Indian citizens to think about whether it is advisable to allow people who lack the ability for balanced thought and who shun social responsibility to occupy positions of power.

Stop preaching and do something.

Atleast welcoming is better.

Try better to mislead.

Have a coconut juice , will give you clarity of thought.

I am not an expert on this subject. I am not familiar with anti-dowry law, etc.

But here's a piece on this subject in today's THE HINDU.

Dowry harassment: low conviction rate adds to victims' woes

230 dowry death cases were reported in the State last year

# Anti-Dowry Cell of CoD investigates dowry death cases in State
# About 75 per cent of the cases filed are not contested, says official

Bangalore: Even after years of campaigning by voluntary organisations against the menace of dowry and their efforts to create awareness on it, the number of dowry deaths and dowry harassment cases is on the rise.

But justice eludes most of the victims of dowry harassment, as the conviction rate in such cases is low.

According to statistics available with the Police Department, 230 dowry death cases were reported in the State last year, of which 39 were from Bangalore. With respect to dowry harassment reported in the city, 213 cases were filed in 2003, which increased to 227 in 2004. Last year, 287 cases were recorded, while till the end of September 2006, 206 such cases have been reported.

"There has been a steady increase in the number of women complaining about harassment," says Hema Deshpande of Vanita Sahaya Vani, a women's helpline (Ph: 1091) functioning on the premises of the office of the City Police Commissioner.

Sources in the Corps of Detectives (CoD) also said that there was an increase in cases of women being victimised for dowry and also in the number of dowry deaths in the State.

Last year, around seven persons had been convicted under the Dowry Prohibition Act (DPA) and Section 498 (A) of the Indian Penal Code (IPC), while in 2004, 13 convictions had taken place, sources told The Hindu.

V. Janardhan, Deputy Director, Prosecution, told The Hindu that about 75 per cent of the cases filed were not contested as witnesses, including family members of the victims, turned hostile and did not give evidence as a result of compromise between the contesting parties.

"Of the contested cases, ten per cent are found to be cases filed on frivolous grounds and those in which the harassment charge is not proved properly. It is only in 15 per cent of the contested cases that conviction takes place," he added.

Counselling

"We hold counselling sessions and have been able to reconcile the differences in about 40 per cent of the cases," Ms. Deshpande says.

"There were many contradictions in the DPA Act and that may be the reason for the low rate of conviction" she said. The Committee on Reforms of Criminal Justice System has recommended amendment in the IPC and making the offence under Section 498 (A) bailable and compoundable.

There are degrees of domestic violence and not all conflicts in a relationship can be termed as domestic violence. This law trivializes the issue of domestic violence by including minor differences in its realm and by explicitly denying protection to half of the population.

The law in its current form is grossly inadequate to tackle the problem of domestic violence. It imposes a lot of responsibility on men, without giving them rights. On the other hand, it gives lots of rights to women without requiring them to be responsible. At the very minimum, it should be made gender neutral, offering protection to both men and women. Also, provisions for stringent punishments need to be incorporated into the law to prevent misuse. Moreover, the law needs to be made more practical by differentiating between various degrees of conflicts and by unambiguously defining what constitutes domestic violence.

The fact is domestic violence is a serious problem and a neutral and unprejudiced law is needed to protect the genuine victims of domestic violence, irrespective of gender. The perpetrators of domestic violence need to be appropriately punished and dealt with. At the same time, protection cannot be withheld from real victims for any reason whatsoever, least of all their gender. One can be certain that there is something sinister about a law, when it intimidates and instills fear in innocent people. When a person who has not committed any crime, begins to fear punishment under the provisions of a law, it is not a law anymore - it is state sponsored terrorism.

Source: http://savemarriages.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/the-domestic-violence-law-of-india-a-shield-or-a-sword/

that is great Sujai.
Now you know!!!!!!!!

To null and Sujai,

Invite your views by making India falling in to feminists hands. See India as america shortly in next 5 yrs. Once men stop protection/feeding/providing women; that is the end of ERA of FAMILY civilization of India. Go with feminists and enjoy. Before that, I request learn closely the life style in western nations(everyday person has to search for a sex either by phone call or through friend circle or somehow). At the end, women loose and really not men. whoever is jumping behind radical feminists would see the tunnel of night stand lives, with sexual connections 24/7 and nothing else.

I am telling you real stats are different and what you see in the indian media are different. Media is hijacked; I believe strongly when it comes to family related death issues. That is the power of feminism. cool research reveals and which you are not doing that..

#98 ...do not get carried away by what was reported in #96.

Here is the fact...
Statement: 75 % are not contested
Fact: 75% men are afraid and do not have guts of to spend time fighting biased judiciary and running around in courts...so they settle for divorce by mutual consent by paying up a huge cash out of court.
There is no rocket science reqd to understand rampant fear of common man from courts and judiciary and it is but natural to accept that this is the fact. You need not to media run polls and accumulate statistics to find out how much people fear from courts and lawyers.


Did you see the wording "as a result of compromise between the contesting parties". How can a compromise be reached...Only when the husba nd parties shells out the "booty" can the compromise be reached otherwise why the hell would the girl compromise... she filed 498A to ear money in the first place...how easy na !!...

Feminists are feeling threatened and it is showing. They were never challenged in the past but now the challenge is filtering through and they are getting rattled. Too bad....

Feminists are not feeling threatened, they are literally foaming from the mouth in repressed anger. The turn of events and the male back-lash has caught them totally by surprise. There is no feminist bull-shit in news papers these days. They are thinking twice before opening their mouths as they know that they are liable to be criticised , analysed and portrayed as female chauvinists, if required.

D.V. is so devious in it's intent that a close reading and the subsequent reactions by feminists gives one the impression that it primarily aimed at throttling the male backlash and to "teach men a lesson" for having the audacity to challenge feminists.
It is aimed by feminists to force men legally to slave and slog for women and to maintain them and to fulfill their lust for a luxirious life even if women are mentally cruel,manipulative and unfaithful towards their husbands. Mind you, women today are turning out to be just these. They are no longer the sati-savitris and they do not want men to stand up and protest.
They want men to be shackled to the 16th century role models while they themselves have discarded such role models.They still want to legally force men to marry and be the faithful , loving, caring husbands, fathers, providers, protectors etc, while women themselves have challenged the role models of being mothers, wives etc. Today they indulge in rampant adultery and glorify it as their independence but want economically independent men to be yolked to the role models of the protector, provider and head of the family.
IF MEN PROTEST THEY COME OUT WITH D.V. TO FORCE MEN INTO IT.

Sanjay Jain is right. Women have introduced tremendous changes in the last 3 decades in the name of women's lib which has hit at the base of the institution of marriage.
Premarital sex was unheard of in our society but it has been lauded as "creativity" of women and we are today seeing teenaged girls indulging in group sex and sexual orgies. But ironically the modern Indian woman herself will not marry a man who is promiscous and had sexual relations with a series of women.
Rampant promiscuity has led to young educated women flocking call girl rackets for easy money and sexual kick and it is glorified as
"empowerment" of women.Infact, a few months back there was a serious attempt by women's organisations to legalise prostitution so that women can freely practice prostitution.One could not have even dreamt of this 10 years back.
Extra marital sexual affairs have been widely promoted as "independence" of women . Today casual sexual affairs are common among married women especially those who work in offices and come in contact with other men. It was unthinkable even a few decades back.
Divorces were not a part of our culture, but today women divorce their husbands at the drop of the hat and on flimsy grounds.
WHAT IS UTTERLY DEVIOUS IS THAT THIS SAME MODERN WOMAN IS NOT WILLING TO GIVE THE SAME FREEDOM TO HER HUSBAND.THEN SHE WANTS TO POINT A GUN AT HIS HEAD AND AT THE SLIGHTEST SMELL OF HER HUSBAND NOT ABIDING TO HER WHIMS AND FANCIES, SHE WANTS TO PULL THE TRIGGER. SHE REFUSES TO ALLOW HIM TO GET OUT OF A BAD AND ROTTEN MARRIAGE.SHE WANTS TO FORCE HIM TO GO ON SACRIFICING HIS EARNINGS TO SATISFY HER DESIRES EVEN IF THE MARRIAGE HAS BROKEN DOWN.SHE REFUSES TO ALLOW HIM TO HAVE FREE SEXUAL AFFAIRS. SHE WANTS TO TERRORISE HIM WITH D.V. SO THAT HE SUBMITS AND DOES NOT SPEAK OUT.

It is for all of us to see.Reality can not be hidden. Rampant and free pre-marital sex, growing extra-marital affairs, open prostitution,divorces on whims and fancies, all of these were unknown to our society and have been deliberately and pursuasively ushered into our society by women and have been actively and wildly promoted as emancipation of women.
But these same bunch of women who strut around as "liberated women", are not willing to accept similar changes for men. At the slightest hint of the change in the attitude of men, in the form of the male back lash, these women libbers have introduced D.V. so that the male reaction can be supressed forcibly and legally.
Feminists are just so pathetic.....

Presently premarital and extra-marital sex has become common because of feminist's propaganda of women's empowerment and newly crafted women's protection laws.
The feminists financed by National Commission for Women; have sold their souls. They maintain and justify, whatever they are teaching in the name of "liberation" and "empowerment" is women's
right.Tremendous moral decay and total loss of values brought aboutby distorted versions of feminism has given rise in prostitution in
posh hotels, especially among young college going girls. Such trends are spreading among the middle class girls, who were presumed to be
beyond the clutches of such vices. In fact today young girls and even house wives are increasingly joining such vice rackets.The cause of such acute moral degradation in today's women
lies squarely at the doors of feminists who have vociferously mooted rampant pre-marital sex, extra marital sex , adultery and sexually cheating ones husband in the name of creativity
and empowerment of women.When such role models are being deliberately created for the
modern women to follow , it is not at all surprising that the modern woman deems it nothing wrong in satisfying the sexual
perversity and fantasies of strange and unknown men in exchange for money and she is made to feel that she is being terribly liberated.Feminists are teaching women that indulging in wild sexuality,
having multiple pre and post marital sexual partners,having extra
marital affairs,cheating on ones husband and joining call girl rackets
constitute their road to creativity and empowerment.Feminists are also freely advising women to misuse specially crafted
domestic violence laws actually introduced to protect the victims.
Under these laws, who-ever is accused and named by a woman isguilty till they prove themselves innocent. The entire family of accused
is being arrested without bail and jailed without Enquiry or Investigation.What is being propagated in the name of feminism and blindly
accepted by women is sickening, vulgar, pathetic, insane and defies all prudence and logic.How could women do it to other women and claim themselves to be "liberators" of woman kind.

COMMENTS ON ABOVE BLOG:

.Rahul Says It is true that in the name of women's right , feminists are fighting to introduce a legislation so that prostitutes soliciting cannot be arrested. Thus our entire country will be converted into a prostitute's den and we will find women prostituting in market places, bus stops, offices, malls etc. And we also find some men supporting these feminists and pretend that they are very liberal. In a decade or so our country will be converted into a Red Light District of Amsterdam

Satyajit Kumar Says:

In the name of women's lib, women have suddenly lost their sense of judgement, values, morals and the capability to decide issues. Prostituting and joining call girl rackets have become common among educated women and even house wives are joining such rackets . If feminists are allowed to have their way then the entire country will become a red light area.

Nandini Modi Says:

I was aghast to learn that feminists are trying to legalise prostitution and want to pass a legislation where by call girls soliciting in public places will not be prosecuted. What is our country coming to? Has our government, politicians, bureacrats lost their senses and are pretending to show how "liberal" they are by supporting such wild and insane ideas promoted by a bunch of crazy women styling themselves as women libbers.Today moral values have hit such a rock bottom in the name of feminism that we have lost our sense of judgment.

Asmita Dey Says:

Feminists are responsible for the whole scale moral erosion of today's women.As a result more and more married women today sexually lust for other men and have sex with other men behind the back of the unsuspecting husband. Many housewives today leave their homes on the pretext that they are working in some office and join call girl rackets. Most Young college going girls are into prostitution these days thanks to feminism and hence feminists want to legalise prostitution so that these women who are blindly following them do not get arrested. Feminists have ruined the attitudes of the Indian women .

Aditi Say:

While today most Young college going girls are into prostitution these days, most parents do not know what their daughters are up to.They come to know when it is too late. Once a young girl enters the sordid world of prostitution rackets, she is only sexually exploited by her clients and pimps, blackmailed and coerced to continue even if she wants to leave,runs the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, AIDS etc,has abortions , takes to drugs and ends up cheated, used, abused and mentally and morally dumped.And she is made to believe by her mentors i.e.feminists, that she is becoming empowered and multi-dimensional!Will women continue to be eternally cheated and betrayed, first by men and now by women themselves.

Vijayeta Vohra Says:

We have been so much indoctrinated by feminists ideas that we have lost the capacity to see through the arguments forwarded in the garb of feminism and correctly evaluate them and decide independently as to how much of such ideas are really helpful to women.It is a sorry state of affairs that women have been led to believe that prostituting paves the way for their empowerment and she becomes multi-dimensional. What has happened to women? Has she lost all sense of judgment ?

Falguni Chopra Says:

The moral degradation of today's woman is shocking.And what is even more pathetic is that she has been tutored to believe that she has become empowered and multi-dimensional. What utter nonsense!!!!


Sudha Patel Says:

Today we are witnessing the phenomenon of teenage sex where school girls are indulging in group sex and oral sex with their boy friends. The minds of the persent generation has been totally corrupted in the name of feminism.If the desire of feminists to legalise prostitution and to enable call girls to solicit openly at all public places comes through , then we will soon witness the phenomenon of teenage prostitution as well. School girls will also have no qualms to join such sleaze rackets at the behest of their mentors i.e. feminists. Long live feminism !And let women be stripped of all her sense of values, morals , judgment and ethics!!!

Ragini Says:

It is pathetic that while boys are encouraged to display their creativity by being artists, painters, singers , explorers,musicians,today's girls are being taught that their "creativity" lies in wearing exposing clothes and revealing her tits, having group sex, oral sex ( i.e. sucking a man's penis),sexually cheating her husband and lusting for other men,prostituing in posh hotels and gratifying the carnal desires and sexual fantasies and perversities of strange and unknown men in exchange of money!!!!! And then she is being told that she has become MULTIDIMENSIONAL!!!!! HOW PERVERSE, SICK, MENTALLY RETARDED CAN FEMINISTS BE ?? HOW CAN THEY TAKE WOMEN FOR GRANTED AND EXPECT HER TO BLINDLY FOLLOW FEMINISTS??

Sunanda Sanyal Says:

It is true that today's women have been made to believe that sucking a man's penis, having sex with a group of men, watching pornography, hiring male strippers and male prostitutes is a highly "creative" activity, thanks to feminism.

Manisha Roy Says:

Sucking a man's penis is creativity for women!! What has happened to the Indian woman??

Aditi Says:

What will feminists teach women next? There has been a tremendous moral degradation of the Indian woman in the last two decades. Today house wives are joining call girl rackets when the husband is away in the office,school girls are sucking their boy friend's penis and taking photographs on the mobile( DPS incident), married women are lusting for other men and are indulging in multiple extra marital sexual relations and are using the husband's house to lure in other men while the husband is in the office and educated college girls are frequenting hotels as call girls. The moral degradation of women is absolute and she is brainwashed into believing that she has become multi-dimensional. How sick can feminists become? Where are they leading women to???

Soma Says:

The minds of the modern woman needs to be vaccum cleaned of all the filth taught in the name of feminism

SUTOPA Says:

women have been so much brain washed by feminists that she is blindly accepting what ever feminists are saying as the gospel truth.

NRI lost interest and respect for the place when recently got into this trap. Previously was visiting India regularly and also contrubuted at places of need. Totally innocent but now even scared to place information here with name and address.....simply because you never know what can happen. My life is valued by me and dont want it ruined by some thugs when such law exists in India. Can we please have more Gandhis from the politicians of India? Gandhi opened this employment.....that is Official Indian Politics. So let us give something in return to HIM please. UK Guy.

They used to say when you marry a lady, the 2 families also get married. The problems get sorted out by the 2 families. But remember now.....REMEMBER.....NRI guy and and others dont only marry an Indian lady from India but also marries the Indian police, who are the first ones to arrest you before you are found guilty. Why we blame the law? The law is there. The people who put the law in place are the ones to take the responsibility. So why marry an lady from India in the first place

Reading all this about the misuse of law and in particular misuse of 498A, I have a suggestion for NRI. Go to India for a holiday. Like now, don't get involved with politics and business there in India. By now after many years abroad, you have got this title of being a NRI. Most likely you are born abroad. So be a NRI. They used to say when you marry a lady, the 2 families also get married. The problems get sorted out by the 2 families. But remember now.....REMEMBER.....NRI guy and others dont only marry an Indian lady from India but also marry the India police, who are the first ones to arrest you before you are found guilty. Why we blame the law? The law is there. The people who put the law in place are the ones to take the responsibility. So why marry a lady from India in the first place? There are plenty of Indian ladies abroad also where you now live. The Indian lady from India will find it difficult to adjust to the life abroad.....in particular UK and then will blame you and they have the additional police force in India who they can rely on to lock you up next time you are in India or can call you to India by arresting your family member in India, if you have any there. Why marry one and try to see if she adjusts to the life in UK. Why take this risk as she has the Indian police on her side to even ruin your future visits to India. Be safe where you belong and serve that country. You are a NRI and be a NRI. Yes, visit India, see the place, enjoy the Darshans at religious places, enjoy the food and get out after that, back to where you belong. Sorry India this is happening now after personal experience. I am giving my points only about this one problem in India. It is up to others and India herself to address other issues. UK guy.

Indians

SOME VERY IMPRESSIVE FACTS ABOUT INDIANS IN USA !!!

There are 3.22 Million Indians in America

38% of Doctors in America are Indians.

12% of Scientists in America are Indians.

36% of NASA employees are Indians.

34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians

28% of IBM employees are Indians

17% of INTEL employees are Indians

13% of XEROX employees are Indians

23% of Indian Community in America is having Green-Card'

Above information from an email

So why they went to USA in the first place?

Why so many more still want to go to USA and UK in 2006?

WAKE UP INDIA.

Why they left India?..... Because many of them might be children of the leaders and the rich in India and prefer to live in the west.

Arre...yahin to dhokha kha gaya India..

Promiscuity , extra-marital affairs, free teen sex, prostitution etc were unknown to our society but are a common phenomenon today among women. Such attitudes have been promoted and justified under the veil of women's lib.
But strangely, modern women will not allow their husbands, boy friends or live-in-partners to be similarly sexually liberated and enjoy free sex with other women.
Most probably if he does so, he will be dragged to jail under "domestic violence".

The changes in the attitudes of women have been tremendous but they are unwiling to accept changes in the attitudes of men.They simply want to arrest him and dump him in jail if he wants to change . They are desperate to bind men to his 16th century role models.It is so wierd.

The face of the Indian society has been totally altered in the last few decades. There has been an acute moral degradation. It is pathetic that rampant pre-marital sex,extra-marital sexual flings,prostitution by college going girls, easy divorce, sexual orgies by 12-13 year old girls have been glorified and encouraged by various women's magazines but they are afraid and threatened to grant their husbands, boyfriends and live-in-partners the same sexual freedom.
It is a fact that the so called liberated Indian woman will not marry a man whom she knows to be a sexual philanderer but she herself wants to give in to sexual lust before marriage and accuses men of being "narrowminded" if he objects. For them sexual freedom is for women and not for men.

It is really bewildering that while women themselves have introduced concepts of free and open sex in our society, they themselves will not marry a man who has open sexual liasons with other women prior to his marriage.
It is also equally true that no feminist worth her salt will tolerate her husband, live-in-partner or boy friend to have sexual relations with other women. She will dump him immediately and will ensure that he rots in jail on grounds of "mental cruelty".
The mask is off the face of feminism.

I am bewildered by the blatant double standards of the modern woman.They want to enjoy rampant pre-marital sex, desire to have sex with other men behind their husband's/boy friend's back and indulge in open prostitution. Yet they frame laws so that they can have their husbands and live-in-partners arrested if he deviates.
The modern liberated woman seems to be the devil incarnate.

Respect and Love are not disciplines which can be enforced by law, if this is agreed whats the need to prevent something like verbal abuse, that too so irresponsibly without defining what would amount to an 'offense' with respect to verbal abuse.

Power seems to have gone into the heads of feminists. Their egos have inflated to an extent that have lost touch with reality. They have pushed women to lives of sexual debauchery and iresponsibility and do not feel accountable for it.It is a total mess.The institution of marriage is on the verge of collapse.

Things will get messier, nastier and dirtier. It is time we all, men and women both, wake up and behave in a matured and balanced fashion.This ding-dong battle will lead nowhere. If feminists react, men will also react . It is no longer that feminists can get away by dishing out distorted and garbled versions of women's lib.It is time to accept the ground realities.

IPC section 498a was originally designed to protect married women from being harassed or subjected to cruelty by husbands and/or their relatives. This law was mainly aimed at curbing dowry harassment. Unfortunately, this law has been misused to harass men and their families rather than protect genuine female victims of harassment. The Supreme Court of India itself has labeled the misuse of section 498a as "legal terrorism" and stated that "many instances have come to light where the complaints are not bona fide and have been filed with an oblique motive. In such cases, acquittal of the accused does not wipe out the ignominy suffered during and prior to the trial. Sometimes adverse media coverage adds to the misery. " In agreement with the above statement, the findings of a study conducted by The Center for Social Research indicated that 98 percent of the cases filed under IPC section 498a are false. Nevertheless, the law has been always justified based on its intention of protecting women. At this point it would be worthwhile to think about how IPC section 498a has really affected women.

It has been argued by Government officials favoring the law that despite the establishment of legal measures to counter harassment of married women, there is an increase in the number of cases of harassment. The first part of the statement suggests that women who are harassed should be utilizing this law as a means of protection. If harassed women indeed used the law then we should see a decrease in the number of cases of harassment over time. Considering the stringent consequences imposed by the law and the inordinate delays inherent in the legal system, no ordinary citizen, male or female, would be impudent enough to risk being implicated under this law for the sake of satisfying their monetary or even sadistic desires for that matter.

The fact is that many women who are actually beaten up and harassed by their husbands and in-laws rarely file 498a or resort to other dowry related laws. A lot of them live in rural areas, unaware of the law or lack the necessary economic and moral support from their natal families. Going by the conviction rate the proportion of women who have genuine cases is 2%. Most women who file 498a are from urban backgrounds and are either capable of fending for themselves or have enough family support to fall back on. The proportion of women who belong to this category is 98%. In the 98% of false cases, in every instance that 1 daughter-in-law files a false complaint at least 2 women (an innocent mother-in-law and sister-in-law) are arrested and undergo stress, humiliation and harassment in the hands of the exploitative police, lawyers, staff and officials in Indian courts before being acquitted several years later. So, in every 100 cases 2 women genuinely benefit, 98 women get away with perjury and extortion, and at least 196 women suffer needlessly.

The number of cases that are filed in police stations or courts are the basis for the official statistics of dowry harassment. So, given that the law allows women unlimited scope to fabricate lies (with no penalty of perjury) and given that women are encouraged to keep filing false cases the statistics of "dowry harassment" are bound to rise while the problem of genuine harassment is left unchecked. So, the government has, in the name of protection of women, done grave injustice to two groups of women. The first group constitutes the genuine victims of dowry harassment whose misery remains unmitigated but is constantly alluded to in order to justify the law. The second group consists of innocent mothers and sisters of husbands who are criminalized and harassed by the police and the legal system without any regard to their age, health or marital status. Pregnant women, unmarried sisters, ailing mothers and even aged grandmothers have been sent behind the bars under false allegations but their pain and suffering has not even been acknowledged leave alone addressed by the Government. Through IPC section 498a, the Government is actually protecting those women that indulge in perjury, blackmail, extortion and harassment of their husbands and in-laws.

The Domestic Violence Bill claims that it will protect women from Domestic Violence which includes physical, verbal, emotional, sexual and economical abuse. According to the law an aggrieved person is defined as "any woman who is, or has been, in a domestic relationship with the respondent..." and a respondent is defined as "an adult male person who is, or has been, in a domestic relationship with the aggrieved person...". Thus, the law only recognizes domestic violence committed by a man on a woman in a household shared in the past or present. While this law is heavily biased against men, many supporters of the law are claiming that this law is good for women. The following are some gross inconsistencies in the law that prove that the DV Act is not good for women either.

There are several instances where a daughter-in-law and/or her blood relatives commit Domestic Violence (as defined by the law) against her mother-in-law, sister-in-law or any other females related by marriage. In addition, mothers or step-mothers abuse their children (who include daughters or step-daughters) physically, verbally, emotionally and economically and vice versa. In such a situation, the law does not provide any protection to female victims of Domestic Violence. Thus, the law can only be used by a wife or a girlfriend (present or former) and their relatives/friends against a man and his family.

According to Clause 17 of the Act legally divorced women and former separated girlfriends/live-in partners can claim right to residence in the home of their former husband or former partner even though the Act says they may not have any right, title or beneficial interest in the same. The law can thus force a former wife or former girlfriend on a man's household and violate the rights of his present wife or partner. The law does not provide protection to a man's current wife or girlfriend/live-in partner or even dependent mothers and sisters under such circumstances. Here, the law favors divorced women and former girlfriends at the cost of the rights of a legally wedded wife/live-in partner and other female relatives that share a household with a man.

According to Section 19 a man can be removed from his own household and him and his relatives can be restrained from entering any portion of the household in which the aggrieved person resides. Through this clause the law supports the encroachment of property by a girlfriend (former or present) at the expense of the right to residence of a man, his legally wedded wife and any other dependent female members of a family. In the name of protecting a section of women who may be making true or false allegations, the law penalizes innocent women who are related to an accused man.

Despite documented evidence that section 498a of IPC has been heavily misused affecting more and more women (along with men) everyday, no amendments to this law have been proposed so far. As with section 498a of IPC, the Domestic Violence Act is replete with loopholes and is bound to be misused. The DV Act will allow legally wedded women, divorced women and girlfriends (former or present) to subject a man and his relatives (male and female) to domestic violence and legal harassment. This Act, like Section 498a of IPC will result in the harassment of many more innocent women than it claims it will protect. It is important for the Government to acknowledge the fact that IPC 498a and DV Act are bad laws that criminalize ordinary citizens (male and female) and violate their fundamental rights. Unless urgent amendments are made to prevent the misuse of these laws, credibility of women will be lost. In addition to lost credibility, an overload of false cases will worsen the delays in the judicial process and deny timely justice to women who are genuinely aggrieved.

Unreasonable and easily misused laws like IPC 498a and DV Act are already creating a situation of fear and mutual distrust and adversely affecting interpersonal relationships between men and women in the society. This is resulting in more and more broken families and depriving children of a healthy childhood. If the Government and women's organizations were truly interested in improving the living conditions of women in India they would focus on empowering women through education. Education builds self-confidence and gives a person the ability to stand up for oneself. Educating women can also ensure that the next generation of children are raised to treat each other with respect and be better citizens. The Government and women's organizations can also lend support for rehabilitation of abused women and protect them from further harassment without doing injustice to innocent men. It would behoove the Government and women's organizations to work in collaboration with social scientists and psychologists to understand human behavior in the context of changing social conditions and standards in India and think about workable solutions to deal with Domestic Violence and other forms of abuse instead of criminalizing ordinary citizens. Positive measures that can bring about domestic harmony are the only way to ensure family stability and long-term social stability.

Now that feminists have declared war on Indian Family, the following are the methods to give the medicine back.

Let us see how many men can dare to date feminists or marry any feminist.

Most men are still sleeping as the message seeps into their mind. Protests and awareness campaigns are long overdue.

The backlash in Media against feminism has already done some permanent damage. Once the credibility is lost, its very difficult to rebuild it again.

Now, the data and estimates are available with SIF regarding the whole campaign. The thousands of hours of internet debates helped us fine tune our arguments for future TV Shows. So, we do little mistakes and avoid the cheap arguments effectively.

Were not the SIF arguments in TV moderate, logical and rational?

SIF is creating a special SIF-Free Software Foundation. The softwares developed by this foundation will be given free with messages of truth about feminism.

And this genre of free software could be called "Truthware" :)

Will this be the Christmas gift?

Feminists have lost their minds. They are cornered and they are desperate. Hence they are coming out with such atrocious laws to force men to go on discharging his traditional roles of the provider, protector and a loving, caring and faithful husband in a marriage, while women themselves have rejected the institution of marriage and have ushered in vigorously concepts of live-in, free sex, extra-marital sex in our daily lives.

It is time feminists face the reality.They have lost their credibility.

feminists are behaving like cornered cats. They are lashing out at the male reaction with what ever they have and the result is D.V.They wanted men to go on providing for women even if women no longer deserve it and wanted to throw men to jail if men refused.

It is time feminists start waking up and smell the coffee.They are no longer the "powerful" entities they used to think about themselves. They have been badly exposed, their power base eroded and male sympathy is tottering.

It is simply incridible!On one hand, women are being taught in the name of feminism that they should have extra-marital affairs,indulge in pre-marital sex,cheat their husbands,refuse to do the house hold chores,join call girl rackets, take divorces on flimsy reasons etc.
On the other hand,they want men to go on being the faithful, loving, caring husband who should slave and slog his entire life to provide for his wife and satisfy her desires for luxury.Feminists threaten that if men do not mutely discharge these roles, he should be thrown to jail.
Feminists have simply lost the track of what they are saying.

It is really wierd, utterly sexiest and female-chauvinistic.

Feminists must have lost credibility among women too,who look up to them to lead them and guide them.

Have feminists ever considered where they are leading general women to? What if growing number of men refuse to provide and be faithful towards wives and declare that they are "liberating" themselves? What will happen to these women then?Are feminists aware of the consequenses of what they are preaching?

I think feminists are been totally irresponsible towards women also. THEY have pushed teen aged girls towards sexual orgies when it time for them to study and build a strong future,they have broken marriages of women by teaching women that behaving irresponsibly and having wanton extra-marital affairs is her "empowerment",they have made young college girls believe that frequenting call girl rackets is a mark of her "creativity".
They have simply led women to the gutter and have taught her that she is terribly liberated.
IT IS SIMPLY INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!

If 10 nice intellectual women participates against this injustice and feminists. Katham. Feminists would take right about turn. Feminists harming normal women more than indian men. 70% fake statistics they utter. They show only FIRs stats to the world where in 98% are wrong FIRs ending up with innocency for defendants. With DV now they will show 1in 2 women are beaten or DVed after 2 yrs.

"Intellectual women" an oxymoron I believe.

Yes women are everything ... intelligent, clever and cunning but Intellectual. And add the spice of politics and money, you have a vampires at your hands.

Hardy,

"Intellectual women" is not an oxymoron. There are many intellectual women who have made significant contributions to varied fields of study. It is unfortunate if you have not come across any. I can understand that you may have come across women who are (intelligent, clever, cunning) anything but intellectual. In this fight against gender inequality and feminazis who perpetrate it, you cannot lose sight of the fact that there are all kinds of women and men in the world.

(My earlier comment was deleted. And this might be deleted too. But I am giving this another shot).

According to Ms. Renuka Chaudhary Ministry of Indian family-welfare,70 percent women in Indian Families are subjected to Domestic Violence
and Unwanted & Forced SEX.

At the same time, India's leading criminal lawyer, and Ex Law Minister Mr.Ram Jethmalani says in Jessica Lall's case that; "if a woman refuses a man sex he can kill her and we must all try and understand."Men find it hard to accept any kind of insult to their 'sexual manhood".

SHOULD THE "VIAGRA" BE BANNED UNDER DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ACT OF INDIA TO CONTROL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN?

""VIAGRA""" IS ENHANCING "SEXUAL MANHOOD".

Men find it hard to accept any kind of insult to their
"SEXUAL MANHOOD" ...............Says Ram Jethmalani

hey Ram!.......

http://www.vaarttha.com/vaarttha/karimnagar/hed6.asp

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1848308,000600030008.htm

The above story (covered in one national and one regional daily newspaper) is as follows:

A woman and her husband (who had two children) got separated due to domestic issues. The woman filed a 498a case (undoubtedly a false one) on her husband three years ago. She has an affair with another man during this time even while the divorce proceedings are still on. One fine morning she climbs a water tank and threatnes to kill herself if her lover does not marry her. With the help of the police she is successful in getting the lover to marry her atop the water tank. But she gets arrested for bigamy and attempt to suicide as soon as she descends. The whole story sounds very funny but what's not told here is the domestic violence (as defined by the law) committed against the poor husband. So much for domestic violence on men. Amen!

In a related issue: DV Act is blatantly misused and this time the victim is none other than Mr.Azim Premji of Wipro, one of the Richest Men in India, and a normal tax paying citizen(whose fundamental rights, supposedly protected by our Constitution!)

There's no dating allowance: Premji
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/556309.cms

BANGALORE: IT bellwether Wipro Ltd denied it had any "dating
allowance" for its employees and declined to comment on reports of a summons issued by a court on a complaint by the spouse of an employee.

In a statement here, the company said it had not received any notice from the Kanpur court so far.

"We would like to categorically state we don't have a dating
allowance in any form and hence cannot elaborate on this alleged issue. We have no formal intimation on this, the statement said.

The denial came following the reported summons from chief additional metropolitan magistrate of Kanpur Ravindra Kumar to Wipro chairman Azim H. Premji and human resource department head Pratik Kumar on a writ petition filed by Tripti Nigam from that city alleging the company was providing a dating allowance to her husband, Gaurav
Nigam, working in Wipro Technologies as a software engineer.

The complainant had alleged that her husband was keeping away from her and has not been visiting Kanpur since he was getting a dating allowance from the company.
******************* Epilogue*************
Ex-wives vent ire on new law http://www.ibnlive.com/news/exwives-vent-ire-on-new-law/26999-3.html

Arunima
CNN-IBN

Posted Saturday , November 25, 2006 at 10:19
Updated Saturday , November 25, 2006 at 10:26
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WOMEN'S WOES: Wives feel the Act has masked the real problem by granting the same rights to live-in partners.


New Delhi: "Only my son and I know how we manage to live. There are loans after loans and inspite of a job, it's not an easy life what with my son's tuition fee and the expensive standards of living."
This is Poornima Kharga's lament. Poornima - a theatre artist - has been fighting for the last six years to get maintenance from her husband who walked out of their marriage leaving her and their 11-year-old son with no financial support.
Poornima was banking heavily on the Domestic Violence Act so that her husband would give her maintenance or face punishment under the law, but now even that ray of hope is fading, and her life's tragedies are now like the plays she acts in.
The new law gives as much right to her husband's live in partner as it does to her.
"The law has to find a solution. This way any man can start living with someone and not give any maintenance to the wife," says she.
Poornima works with the National School of Drama and it's her only source of income, but her contract ends next year and finances are a constant worry.
Says Supreme Court lawyer, Geeta Luthra, "The act provides that maintenance has to be given to both the live-in partner as well as the wife. It is obviously an attack on the rights of the wife."
For the first time, an act of law has made live in legal in India. According to UK laws, a live-in partner gets maintenance only after two years of living together, but the Domestic Violence Act makes no such distinction - a loophole, which lawyers say can be easily exploited.
The Domestic Violence Act promised the world to people like Poornima, but all in vain.
In fact they now feel that the Act has now masked the real problem by granting the same rights to the live-in partner.
Lawyers feel it's now up to the judges to interpret the law in such a way that the institution of marriage is saved from this apprehended attack

************ A comment to the above article, where the Legal Wife's honour and rights are left in the lurch!*********

This is horrible and seemingly from the stone age!. In this report the first wife was never divorced when the husband seemingly went on to have a live-in relationship (which may not be actually illegal since technically there is no marriage between this new girl and the husband of Poornima, and hence there is technically no offence of Bigamy, arguably there is only an issue of desertion).

The real issue which is worrying for all legal wives is that, a living partner (girl)/a girl friend or girl/lady who even "claims" to have a relation akin to marriage (even while the legal wife is also existing side by side!) is readily given rights on the man's property/income, equal to the rights of a legal wife.

This way the loosely drafted and even more shoddily enforced(what can anyone even say when Wipro's Azim Premji himself can be falsely accused of the offence of abetting domestic violence supposedly done by a Wipro employee) Domestic Violence Act is actually instrumental in bestowing a 'girl friend/live-in partner' with the position/rights of a 'legally wedded wife', and , more importantly, there by actually pushing, a legal wife into jeopardy and uncertainty and by making her a victim of possible misuse of this Law/Act by the unscrupulous "other woman".

This misuse can even take away all the rights of a legal wife(for example: the "other woman" could claim that she is the first wife by virtue of her conjugal relationship with the man in question, which is allegedly preceding the legal wedding!, in which case she can even file a case for nullification of the 'legal/factual' marriage and get the 'wife' into hell a lot of trouble including denying her any rights to the man's property, and, worse!, a possible frivolous prosecution against the 'legal wife', by falsely accusing her with offences of abetting bigamy(now, the "legal wife" becomes the offender!, and the other woman actually could acquire the status of the "genuinely aggrieved victim-wife!")
The situation elucidated above can be very easily achieved by the "other woman", and she could actually acquire the status of the "genuinely aggrieved victim-wife!"- if she plays her cards well, which many wicked vixens are capable of, hands down!).

There by actually giving "Bigamy" a silent nod of approval, legal sanctity and legal protection of the protection of rights!(for the other woman, who is not technically a wife!).

The law is contradicting the LAW itself!....... DV Act is in direct contradiction of "Laws/protection against Bigamy", against protection/rights of Legally wedded wife, against rights/protection of other dependants of the man like his elderly and dependant parents!

************TOI news Report: Wipro DV Act the True Picture**********
Was Wipro staffer beaten by wife? : K R Sreenivas & Mini Joseph | TNN Publication:Times Of India Delhi; Date:Nov 26, 2006; Section:Times Nation; Page Number:14

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=Q0FQLzIwMDYvMTEvMjYjQXIwMTQwMw==&Mode=HTML&Locale=english

Bangalore: Gaurav Nigam, a Wipro employee whose wife has sued company chairman Azim Premji for providing a 'dating allowance', took a curious turn on Saturday when Gaurav accused his wife, Tripti, of beating him.

Backed by NGOs -- Asha Kiran and Save Indian Family Foundation, Gaurav who spoke to TOI on phone from Delhi said he wasn't paid any dating allowance and she was dragging Wipro chairman's name just to ''harass me''.

Gaurav (32) has been working for Wipro for the last six years as technical consultant. He has now taken a temporary transfer to the Gurgaon office of Wipro to fight legal battles. Gaurav alleged his wife used to hit him after arguments over petty issue. ''She would pressurise me to transfer the ownership of the Sarjapur Road house and the car into her name and when I would refuse, she would beat me,'' he said.

Gaurav alleged Tripti filed a case against him and his family stating that they had gone to her Kanpur house to kill her, but he could prove with documents that Tripti was in Bangalore as she had a phone connection installed on that day. Based on that complaint, the police had arrested his parents, but later he filed a case in the court and got them released.

UN RESOLUTION (Against Domestic Violence Laws(As-they-exists!) world over):Regarding the UN Study on Violence Against Women

Full text with weblinks for the references, at: http://at498a.blogspot.com/2006/11/un-resolution-against-domestic.html

RESOLUTION
Regarding the UN Study on Violence Against Women
1. Whereas, the World Health Organization has reported that twice as many men die from
violence-related causes as women,1
2. Whereas, men are more than three-times more likely than women to die from injuries
sustained from armed conflict,1
3. Whereas, 3.5 times as many men commit suicide worldwide as women, 1
4. Whereas, in almost every country around the world, men have shorter life expectancies than
women, reaching a 13-year disparity in the Russian Federation,2
5. Whereas, a compilation of 195 scientific studies of partner violence concludes, "women are
as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with spouses or
male partners,"3
6. Whereas, according to a Statistics Canada report, 7% of women and 6% of men report
violence by a current or previous partner in the previous five years.4
7. Whereas, according to a recent international study of severe violence among dating couples,
55% was mutual violence, 16% was male-only, and 29% of violence was female-only.5
8. Whereas, the president of the American Psychological Association has recently noted that
"Several studies of domestic violence have suggested that males and females in relationships
have an equal likelihood of acting out physical aggression,"6
9. Whereas, reports from Africa reveal that domestic violence against men is widespread, but
men are reluctant to report the abuses,7,8
And
10. Whereas, the United Nations recently released the Secretary-General's Study on Violence
Against Women,
11. Whereas, the report ignores the fact that half of all partner violence is mutual, and glosses
over the problem of male victimization altogether, 9
12. Whereas, the report uses misandrous and inflammatory language such as "patriarchal" in
falsely stereotyping men,
13. Whereas, leading family violence researchers around the world have criticized the report's
portrayal of domestic violence as being "biased" and ensuring "that both women and men
will continue to be victimised in this way,"10
And
14. Whereas, programs similar to those proposed by the Secretary-General's report have caused
undesirable outcomes for women,11
15. Whereas, the report fails to require persons who allege domestic violence to provide
objective evidence of abuse, and false allegations are known to result in harm to children,12
16. Whereas, the report also calls for stronger law enforcement and prosecution efforts, which
have been shown to result in widespread violations of due process protections,13
17. Whereas, the result of such domestic violence programs has been to weaken families, bias
divorce proceedings, and deprive children of contact from their fathers.14
2
Therefore, the undersigned organizations urgently call on the Third Committee to:
1. Simply "Note" (but not "Welcome") the recent Secretary-General's report.
2. Discourage implementation of the recommendations of the Study on Violence Against
Women until its effects on families and children are analyzed and understood.
3. Request incoming UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to undertake a counterpart Study on
Violence against Men.
Mark Rosenthal
RADAR: Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting
Australia:
James Adams
Dads on the Air
Tony Miller
Dads in Distress
James Adams
Fathers 4 Equality
Barry Williams
Lone Fathers' Association
Micheal Woods
Men's Health Information
& Resource Centre
Sue Price
Men's Rights Agency
John Flanagan
Non-Custodial Parents
Party
Edward Dabrowski
Shared Parenting Council
of Australia
Belgium:
Jan Van Baelen
Families for Justice
Canada:
Lise Bilodeau
ANCQ (Action Nouvelles
Conjointes du Québec)
Georges Dupuy
Coalition pour la Défense
des Droits des Hommes du
Québec
Earl Silverman
Family of Men Support
Society
Brian Jenkins
Fathers are Capable, Too:
Parenting Association
Kris Titus
Fathers 4 Justice -
Canada
Daniel Laforest
Fathers-4-Justice Québec
Jean Marie Pomerleau
Fathers-4-Justice -
Outaouais, Québec
Jean-Claude Boucher
l'Après-Rupture, Ateliers
pour les Liens Père-
Enfants, Inc.
Brian Johnson
Regina Shared Parenting
Network
Czech Republic:
Miroslav Kapr
Aliance pro Deti a Rodice
Jiri Solc
Cesky Svaz Muzu
Jiri Fiala
K213
Jiri Vodicka
PVVP
Lubos Patera
Spravedlnost Detem
France:
Bertrand Giraud
L'Enfant et Son Droit
Germany:
Grigori Gurewitsch
Düssel Mums & Dads
Dr. Eugen Maus
MANNDAT
Thomas Sochart
Vaeter Aktuell
3
Greece:
Nicolas Spitalas
Sos Sygapa (Men's and
Father's Dignity)
Ireland:
Mary Cleary
AMEN (Abused Men)
Daniel Desmond
Christian Democrats/The
National Party
Nora Bennis
Mothers At Home
Roger Eldridge
National Men's Council of
Ireland
Malta:
John Zammit, Ph.D.
Association for Men's
Rights
Netherlands:
Peter A.N. Tromp, PhD
Dutch Foundation for
Child and Access
Peter A.N. Tromp, PhD
Familyrights4Europe
Eugen Hockenjos
Fathercare Knowledge
Centre Europe
Ad Verdiesen
Gescheiden Vaders
Nederland (Divorced Dads
of the Netherlands)
Theo M. Nieuwenhuizen,
PhD
Stichting Ouders zonder
Omgang
(Dutch Foundation of
Parents without Access)
New Zealand:
Jim Bailey
HandsOnEqualParent
Trust
South Africa:
Steven Pretorius, MBChB
Fathers4Justice South
Africa
United Kingdom:
Shaun O'Connell
Family Links International
John Bannon
Environmental Law Centre
Erin Pizzey
International Founder of
Refuges (Shelters) for
Victims of Domestic
Violence
Stephen Fitzgerald
The ManKind Initiative
Dave Mortimer
Men's Aid
USA:
Mike McCormick
American Coalition for
Fathers and Children
David Usher
American Coalition for
Fathers and Children -
Missouri
Tom Smith
American Union for Men
Rinaldo Del Gallo III
Berkshire Fatherhood
Coalition
Susan Wolpin
Bucks County FACE
Harry Crouch
California Men's Center,
San Diego
Sally Jacobs
Center for Children's
Justice - Carolinas
Chapter
James Hays
Coalition of Fathers and
Families, NY
Mark Charalambous
CPF/The Fatherhood
Coalition
Paul Clements
DADD-NH
Bruce Eden
Dads Against
Discrimination (DADS )--
New Jersey
James Blackstone
DADS - Alabama Chapter
James Semerad
DADS and MOMS of
Michigan
Michael Burns
Dialogue on Sustainable
Community
George Gilliland
Domestic Rights Coalition
Bob Batterbee
Equal is Equal
Charles Corry, PhD
Equal Justice Foundation
4
Michael Ross
Family Rights Coalition of
Michigan
Angela Pedersen
"Father:" A Child's Right
Mike East
F.A.T.H.E.R.S.
Jeff Golden
Fathers' and Children's
Equality (FACE)
Dan Hogan
Fathers and Families
Jamil Jabr
Fathers for Justice
Ron Jagannathan
Fathers for Virginia
Alan Rusmisel
Fathers 4 Justice --
Alabama
Joseph Mixon
Fathers 4 Justice - New
Hampshire
Carl Steppling
Florida Coalition for
Families and Children
Tony Spalding
Florida Dads
Don Mathis
The Fourteen Percenter
Alan Millard
Men and Fathers for
Justice
Scott Garman
Men's Activism News
Network
Jeffrey Dick
Men's Custody Shelter
Network
Tom Golden
Men's Equality Conference
Michael G. Rother
National Coalition of Free
Men
Deborah Watkins
National Coalition of Free
Men-- Dallas/Fort Worth
Chapter
Marc Angelucci
National Coalition of Free
Men--Los Angeles
Chapter
Michael Geanoulis
National Congress for
Fathers and Children --
New Hampshire Chapter
Marty Nemko
National Organization for
Men
Joe Mastromarino, MD
NH Commission on the
Status of Men
Marc Snider
NHCustody.org
Grayson Walker, Ph.D.
Parents Without Rights
Judith Brumbaugh
Restoration of the Family
David Burroughs
Safe Homes For Children
and Families Coalition
Lee Newman
SAFE (Stop Abuse for
Everyone)- International
Debra Roy/Joanie Comeau
SAFE (Stop Abuse for
Everyone)-NH
Pastor Kenneth Deemer
Shattered Men
Teri Stoddard
Shared Parenting Works
Lisa Scott
TABS: Taking Action
against Bias in the System
Terri Lynn Tersak
True Equality Network
June Marsh
True Equality Network -
Alaska
Tammy Sears
True Equality Network -
Arizona
Carol Johnson
True Equality Network -
California
Eve Smith
True Equality Network -
Colorado
Alice Barnard
True Equality Network -
Florida
5
Karla Stavich
True Equality Network -
Georgia
Gina Holleran
True Equality Network -
Illinois
Julie Garafollo
True Equality Network -
Iowa
Jane Tomaccicio
True Equality Network -
Maryland
Ashley Carnes
True Equality Network -
Massachusetts
Susan Austin
True Equality Network -
Michigan
Christine Hoffen
True Equality Network -
New Hampshire
Kris Whitehall
True Equality Network -
New Jersey
Loraine Martin
True Equality Network -
Oregon
Tina Jordan
True Equality Network -
North Dakota
Kathy Michaels
True Equality Network -
Pennsylvania
Marsha Folley
True Equality Network -
Tennessee
Jackie Meyers
True Equality Network -
Texas
Sylvia Domeco
True Equality Network -
Utah
Janice Larken
True Equality Network -
Virginia
Debbie Weltz
True Equality Network -
Wisconsin
Pete Kerr
Walk for Children

References:
1 World Health Organization: World Report on Violence and Health. Geneva, Switzerland, 2002.
2 United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs: World Mortality Report 2005. New York City, NY,
2006.
3 Fiebert MS. References examining assaults by women on their spouses or male partners: An annotated
bibliography. Accessed October 15, 2006.
4 Statistics Canada: Family Violence in Canada: A Statistical Profile. Ottawa, Ontario. 2005.
5 Strauss MA: Dominance and symmetry in partner violence by male and female university students in 32 nations.
Presented at the conference on Trends in Intimate Partner Intervention, May 23, 2006. Table 3.
6 Koocher GP. President's column. Monitor on Psychology. Volume 37, No. 9, October 2006, page 5.
7 Daily News. Men urged to join war against domestic violence. Gaborone, Botswana. April 15, 2004.
8 The Herald: Cases of women abusing men rise. Harare, Zimbabwe, April 14, 2005.
9 Finley GE. Is the U.N. a threat to the health and wellbeing of men? IntellectualConservative.com, October 17,
2006.
10 RADAR Press Release: UN report criticized as deliberately biased. Rockville, MD: Respecting Accuracy in
Domestic Abuse Reporting, October 23, 2006.
11 RADAR: Six reasons why VAWA is bad for women. 2006.
http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/VAWAIsBadForWomen-flyer.pdf
12 RADAR: Perverse incentives, false allegations, and forgotten children. 2006.
http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/Perverse-Incentives.pdf
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13 RADAR: Bias in the judiciary: The case of domestic violence. 2006.
14 RADAR: Without restraint: The use and abuse of domestic restraining orders. 2006.

November 4, 2006

As they say "This is a court of law, not a court of Justice!", likewise these are unfortunately sad and futile battles of law, not of soft emotions, patience, empathy, wits or Tolerance. Try to appreciate the fact that law once misused against someone, leaves him with no other chance other than to(try and) deliver a fitting legal proceeding/salvo to counter and defend it........ which may well seem even more uncouth, gory and inhumane to a third party- but that's the characteristic of any war, where everything's fair. That's exactly why Indian Family should not be pushed into this path of war, by was of lack/absence of checks and balances.

By the virtue of the loosely drafted, draconic, gender-skewed laws like Domestic Violence and I.P.C 498a, more law misusers take advantage of these laws, than genuine sufferers. Worse than this fact is the incidents like the one mentioned in the comment #365 in the Article " The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 - Big Brother has Arrived" in DesiCritcis: desicritics.org/2006/10/26/070855.php(Ex-wives vent ire on new law , where the live-in partner is reducing the chances of natural justice due to the legal wife , in the name of Domestic violence law.)

Even if one argues that incidents like the one above are exceptions, what about the 1000s of innocent families including husbands, his aged mother and father, his unmarried sisters, married sisters along with their minor children and husbands, lady neighbours/maids, or anyone who the law misusing parties decide to falsely accuse and implicate?, aren't they suffering because of the misuse of law?.

Where is the maxim of law which is supposed to ensure that even if 100 criminals escape, not even a single innocent will be punished(the protracted legal/police proceedings itself kills half of the falsely accused persons, so the status of being accused itself is a punishment, as supreme court has rightly acknowledged in a related judgment where this trend of law misuse was rightly termed as "legal terrorism". Read more about this Supreme Court judgement at: http://cruiserdeep.blogspot.com/2006/01/i-had-posted-below-petition-at-sites.html

*********** Quoting excerpt from the above link*****************
The supreme court judgment(in the writ number 141 of 2005) acknowledges that there is rampant misuse of 498a. Especially when Supreme Court of India acknowledges that misuse of 498A is on the rise, and has hinted that the legislature may have to find ways to deal with misusers of 498A, terming this trend as Legal Terrorism. And implicitly directing other indian courts by saying "Till then the courts have to take care of the situation within the existing framework.

The excerpt of this judgment, regarding misuse of 498a, in writ petition No.141 of 2005 of Supreme Court is reproduced below:

*************** Excerpt of the Supreme Court Judgment ***************

"The object of provision is prevention of the dowry menace. But as has been rightly contented by the petitioner, many instances have come to light where the complaints are not bonafide and have been filed with oblique motive. In such cases acquittal of the accused does not in all cases wipe out the ignominy suffered during and prior to trial. Sometimes adverse media coverage adds to the misery. The question, therefore, is what remedial measures can be taken to prevent the abuse of well-intentioned provision. Merely because the provision is constitutional and intra vires, does not give a license to unscrupulous person to wreck personal vendetta or unleash harassment. It may, therefore become necessary for the legislature to find out ways how the makers of frivolous complaints or allegations can be appropriately dealt with. Till then the courts have to take care of the situation within the existing framework. As noted above the object is to strike at the roots of dowry menace. But by misuse of the provision a new legal terrorism can be unleashed. The provision is intended to be used as a shield and not as an assassin's weapon. If cry of wolf is made too often as a prank assistance and protection may not be available when the actual wolf appears. There is no question of investigation agency and courts casually dealing with the allegations. They cannot follow any straitjacket formula in the matters relating to dowry tortures, deaths and cruelty. It cannot be lost sight of that ultimate objective of every legal system is to arrive at truth, punish the guilty and protect the innocent. There is no scope for any pre-conceived notion or view. It is strenuously argued by the petitioner that the investigating agencies and courts start with the presumption that accused persons are guilty and that the complainant is speaking the truth. This is too wide available and generalized statement. Certain statutory presumptions are drawn which again are rebuttable. It is to be noted that the role of investigating agencies and the courts is that of watch dog and not of a bloodhound. It should be their effort to see that innocent person is not made to suffer on account of unfounded, baseless and malicious allegations. It is equally indisputable that in many cases no direct evidence is available and the courts have to act on circumstantial evidence while dealing with such cases, the law laid down relating to circumstantial evidence has to be kept in view."

The above S.C ruling clearly shows that the judiciary is silently trying to do its best to avoid IPC section 498a being used as a weapon in the hands of assailants, we are sure that the Police force too will follow the same attitude towards 498a accusations, which are found to be false in more than 75% of all the reported cases.

*********** Unquote**********

I hope that from the above arguments it "may" be clear to most of the articulate readers that these skewed laws bring more misery to people(including women), than justice to genuinely agrrieved. So the need of the hour is to make laws like Domestic Violence Law, IPC 498a, etc. "difficult"(if not impossible) to be misused, at the same time facilitating legal recourse to the genuinely aggrieved people.

Domestic violence laws are being criticised even at UN, because of the proven rate and scale of abuse in US, Africa and elsewhere(DV is VAWA-Violence Against Women Act, in US). For the ready reference of the articulte readers, the link is: http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/UN-ViolenceReport-Resolution.pdf (the text of which is pasted in comment# 371)

Finally.... this is how the women's right activists come (cook/fudge/manufacture/doctor/immaculately conceive!) up with 70% domestic violence(rape, physical abuse, etc.) in India!: http://www.mediaradar.org/alert20061113.php , these statistics are concocted and then perpetuated by high profile spokesmen(like Brinda Karat, Renuka Choudary, etc., in the fond hope that it gets a cloak of credibility/autheticity over a period of time!, while there's no verifiable source for such statistics(or rather, figments of fertile and diabolically skewed imagination!), even though they claim the source for this "70%" figure is some UN documents(supposedly this figure was mentioned in a U.N. Population Fund report, of 2005- but no one could find it anymore!- Abacadabra...... it must have went pooofff ), read the above link to know the full saga of conspiracy behind these kinds of false propaganda, exposed by RADAR (Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting - is a non-profit, non-partisan organization of men and women working to assure that the problem of domestic violence is treated in a balanced and effective manner.)

Renuka's Tryst with Dowry cases and Domestic Violence Act


Brothers and Sisters

The Domestic Violence Act promulgated this Deepavali day is bound to rob honest men (and their parents and sisters) their civil rights

It is an unique piece of legislation that gives un surpassed powers to the wife to file cases against the husband AND his parents relatives

Renuka Chaudry, [now minister] who got this Domestic Violence Act promulgated seems to have a long history of filing dowry cases !

Read below a news items of Renuka Chaudry

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http://www.telegraphindia.com/1021027/asp/nation/story_1329371.asp

Renuka's [ FALSE ?? ] dowry case against her son in law ?

| Sunday, October 27, 2002 |

Renuka in dowry battle

Hyderabad, Oct. 26: Congress MP Renuka Chowdhary has filed a complaint against daughter Poojita¢s in-laws, accusing them of harassment for dowry, says our special correspondent.

Poojita was married to London-based opthalmologist Satya Sai Prasad a few months ago.

Renuka called on police officials and chief minister Chandrababu Naidu recently after filing the complaint on October 18.

Poojita's father-in-law, Lajpat Roy, a British national, was arrested at the airport when he arrived in Hyderabad from London. [Note : elders are the MOST abused in such cases. Many innocent mothers / fathers have been arrested :-( ]

He was released on bail.

The police had so far kept the issue under wraps.

Those who do not wish to see India become yet another terrorist state need to focus immediately on stopping what feminists are doing in the United Nations.......

(excerpt from: The American Daily, Article: Feminist Takeover of the U.N. is an Issue of National Security
By David R. Usher (11/20/06) : http://www.americandaily.com/article/16467 )