Desicritics Comments on News Analysis From Israel – The Evil Will Come From the North: Part 3: The Imminence of War

Comment by ushnishas

Tue, 27 May 2008 14:34:19 EDT

I apologise Aaman, yes, this is not an Indian website. But I didn't say anything about 'guest here' or 'desi.'

Comment by commonsense

Tue, 27 May 2008 12:12:11 EDT

Ruvy: ""I'm not one of those hand-wringing fools who feels he has to justify his existence to non-Jews.'' No siree! I am the other kind of hand-wringing fool who inhabits his own delusional world and hence has nothing to justify to anyone (hint: idiotes = greek for private world, in english, "idiot" = living in one's own world). ""They have cushy jobs in downtown Jerusalem"" While all I have is a cushy house on illegal settlement having displaced the Palestinians. And I make no excuses for that because I have the people covenant, a torah covenant AND a land covenant. So, will you really believe me or your own eyes and brains??

Comment by Aaman

Tue, 27 May 2008 12:11:47 EDT

ushnishas, etc., for the nth time - this is not an 'Indian' website, or even a purely 'desi' website - so that's a weak wicket to defend. No one is a 'guest here', desi or non-desi, we are all building a shared perspective.

Comment by commonsense

Tue, 27 May 2008 12:04:04 EDT

Quote: Ruvy: ""I am a truth teller and an iconoclast."" Unquote. And he claims he does not disrespect other religons! (truth teller?)

Comment by Anamika

Tue, 27 May 2008 03:35:52 EDT

"I am a truth teller and an iconoclast." Yes, in we Hindus know about "iconoclasts" - starting with the destruction of Somnath right down to the Bamiyan Buddhas. Do tell us exactly WHICH of our religious images do you plan on shattering? I assme your friends who talk of "yaduvansh" being "chosen" are part of this "iconoclastic" tradition? Man Singh, do explain HOW you reconcile the very specific information that Krishna's vansh was destroyed as per the Mahabharata as a result of Gandhari's curse (in a fratricidal war) with the today's "Yadavas" are the SAME as HIS clan/chosen people? And then how do you make the jump from yadavs to yehudis? Also what is YOUR basis for assuming that Javas and Yehudis are the same, unless of course you have special access to history? Could you provide some reference for this? Other than your own rendering of the text? Having said that, listening to Ruvy and Laloo is not too different, except that Laloo is more astute and funnier.

Comment by Ruvy

Tue, 27 May 2008 03:13:05 EDT

Thank you very much, Man Singh, What you write is certainly worth looking into. I've had my own theories on all this and some sources to work from, and this is yet another lead, another place to investigate. I may be a "child of the west" but I'm not Euro-centric (or Amero-centric) in my views.

Comment by Ruvy

Tue, 27 May 2008 03:01:49 EDT

Anamika, Does Root and Branch pay you to convert us poor desis to your cause? Again, you have managed to make me laugh. Get paid to post here? What a joke! I can understand the suspicion. This kind of thing has probably happened at Blog Critics Magazine when articles critical of China come out; often several "commenters" appear using the same machine ID. The Chinese Reds may have moved far away from the ideas of Marx, Engels, Stalin, and Mao, but they sure never forgot the "dictatorship" part of the "dictatorship of the proletariat". Anamika, I've given all the reason I need to to post here. You can ask the publisher to put a "for Desis only" sign if you wish and see if he obliges..... It's like selling vacuum cleaners - if you ask the mark to buy enough times, you might actually succeed and pocket the cash! As for "letting Israel down", I'm not one of those hand-wringing fools who feels he has to justify his existence to non-Jews. They have cushy jobs in downtown Jerusalem making excuses and then trying to wipe away the stink when the traitors on government hill here crap on Jewish honor. These folks who "always have a great case for Israel" only rouse the contempt of the enemies of the Jewish people. Would you stoop to justifying India to anybody? I am a truth teller and an iconoclast.

Comment by Man Singh

Mon, 26 May 2008 19:04:25 EDT

Good to know that CS. Hope my so called secular freinds also will alos disclose the hidden cause of their deep love to jehadis and their associates? After all DC is an oportunity to share the views of fellow desis.

Comment by commonsense

Mon, 26 May 2008 15:40:20 EDT

now we know of the thread that connects man singh to ruvy. thanks for clarifying this so clearly. but then, where exactly does gill come in?

Comment by Man Singh

Mon, 26 May 2008 15:22:21 EDT

Sri MadBhagwat Puran says that around 5300 year ago when Lord Krishna plannd to leave the planet earth, he called some of his `choosen' people and asked them to migrate towards Prabhas Area along with seeds of crops and other neecssary things as after his demsise he predicted City of Dwarika will drown in the sea. The Lor promised to them that he will come on earh to protect them whenever they will be in need. Praitranaya sadhunaam.. Those people of Lord Krsina's clan are known as Yadavas today. Yeudus, Yahudis ,Yavas, Javas or jews are the same people. Skandha 11, chapter 6 shloka 35-38 They were choosen elders by Lord Krishna himself. Land was promised in Prabhas Khetra And a messia will be sent whenever they will be in trouble. This is the thread relating Hindus and jews. Euro-Centric historians will never accept this theory as this will give Indian civilisational values as more ancient and original then theirs. But I see no reason why Indians or Jews should reject this theory and not carry our further research on the topic,

Comment by Anamika

Mon, 26 May 2008 14:03:44 EDT

Ruvy - NOBODY forces you to be on DC. You CHOOSE to be on DC and use the site for hate-filled propaganda. And then complain when that goebbelsian bilge is challenged. You then either play victim or insult India and Hindus. As evidenced by your posts, you CHOOSE to be on DC simply and clearly to use it as a platform for anti-Islamist, anti-Palestinian propaganda. But just to clarify, it seems to me that YOU are the guest here as the non-desi and thus the onus is on you to not insult the host cultures. After all, no one FORCES you to post on DC. As such to insult the host culture reveals more of your own fanaticism than you imagine. But then its the same sort of thinking that motivates fanatic settlers in the occupied Palestinian territories: force your way into other people's lands/homes/towns, and then scream injustice and anti-Semitism when someone protests. So far beyond prevarications and outright fabrications, you have NOT explained your motivation for posting on DC. Does Root and Branch pay you to convert us poor desis to your cause? If so, you are letting them down. Or do the jihadis pay you to discredit the Israeli cause amongst desis? Because you're doing a really good job on their behalf!

Comment by Ruvy

Mon, 26 May 2008 07:42:32 EDT

Now I know why you spend so much of your time insulting Hinduism. What comes around goes around, Anamika. If you call me an extremist who raises his sons to love violence, a murderer, a thief, a persecutor, not to mention a genocidal maniac; and in addition, refer to my holy books as comics, and the G-d of Israel as a mere real estate agent, you'll get something in return. And it will not be pleasant. You have nothing to complain about, my dear lady. If you don't want your own faith and beliefs insulted, try a little courtesy - and perhaps an apology. Take a risk for peace, Anamika....

Comment by Anamika

Mon, 26 May 2008 06:23:50 EDT

"I'm interested in exploring the ties between Jewish books of wisdom and Indic ones." Thanks for that insight. Now I know why you spend so much of your time insulting Hinduism.

Comment by Ruvy

Mon, 26 May 2008 03:20:22 EDT

Ushnishas, You need to know the history of the site a bit to learn why I'm here. The original site I wrote on, where I met Aaman Lamba and his wife, Deepti, was Blogcritics Magazine. When he and Deepti returned to India from the States, they set up the Desi equivalent, a daughter site. I used to post simultaneously on both sites, Blogcritics, and Desicritics, until the decision was made that one could not post simultaneously - something to do with keeping the powers that be at Google happy. Anyway, this is one of those articles that was published simultaneously at both sites. That is not the only reason I'm here. I'm interested in exploring the ties between Jewish books of wisdom and Indic ones. But for the purposes of this article, I'm merely re-examining what I had written almost 18 months ago in the wake of the unsuccessful campaign in Lebanon in 2006. Do you have confidence in the Indian unshaken beliefs in justice and fairness? I only have faith in Divine justice of the G-d of Israel, Ushnishas. "Blessed is the man who believes in G-d, for G-d will be his Security." That is what I live by.

Comment by ushnishas

Mon, 26 May 2008 01:49:57 EDT

Dear Ruvy, Why are you expressing your fears for Israel in an Indian website? how do you think it will help? Do you have confidence in the Indian unshaken beliefs in justice and fairness? Mac, Calling us brown and talking about shoving things up one's butt speaks volumes for your level of civilisation and culture.

Comment by commonsense

Sun, 25 May 2008 10:49:12 EDT

Amen!

Comment by Ruvy

Sun, 25 May 2008 04:40:56 EDT

It's worthwhile re-reading this article - both to see the real issues driving events here, and to see my failures as a prognosticator. I still hold to the basic outline of events that I think will occur, events that seem foretold in the Torah (the prophecy of Bila'am for example), the Tana"kh, and in the Talmud and Zohar. That is to say that Israel will suffer massive missile attacks from the North, whether it is from Syria, Lebanon (under the control of HizbAllah) or Iran directly; the present Israeli entity will collapse under the assault, and another Jewish entity will begin to arise upon its ashes: "In fire and blood did Judea fall; in blood and fire Judea shall rise." This régime so condemned by so many will fall of its own inability and unwillingness to fulfill the prophetic vision of "fighting the wars of the messiah" and ushering in a Redemption of all Mankind. A régime dedicated to opposing Judaism will not last here, and of late, the régime has more and more opposed both the religion and the secular ideology that gave it birth, Zionism. In short, Zionism is dead. As is written in Tzefany�, Asqelon will be destroyed, and the inhabitants of Ashdod will be driven out at mid-day.[Tzefany� 2:4] We have already seen the foretaste of the destruction of the Galilee foretold in the Talmud. Under renewed war, this destruction will be more complete. I'm further convinced that the west will retaliate with nuclear weapons against Iran. Poisonous winds will wend their way east, which is the prime reason that events that occur here should be of concern to Indians and Pakistanis who otherwise have a full plate of concerns to contend with already. On my failings as a prognosticator. Here it is almost two years from the writing of this article, and the "imminent" war has not taken place. I have to admit that my "prediction" laid out in this article was merely a scenario for what might start a war here. I've given up laying out scenarios, and have come to the painful recognition that "imminent" in religious terms (Jewish religious terms, anyway) is not as "immediate" as I might have thought it to be. So I'm no longer convinced of the immediacy of these imminent events. I have the gnawing feeling that I'll see my youngest son serving in the well pressed uniform of the IDF (or the Border Police) before the terrible events that will overthrow this State and its evils occur. That's at least a year and a half away. As for the real issues driving events in this part of the world, we see that each time one of the criminals in power attempts "peace", it is derailed by the criminal acts of the "power-holders" themselves. This website in English is out-dated, ad it deals primarily with Sharon and his corrupt acts as prime minister, but the Hebrew site is not, and is indicative of the tremendous opposition to the corrupt régime in power, and the willingness of Israelis to expose its crimes. So we all know what trash sits on government hill in Jerusalem. The basic question we face is how to get rid of the scum. "A rising of the shire", as J.R.R.Tolkien described how the hobbits got rid of Saruman, will be bloody and difficult to organize. Other issues seem to have arisen in the last two years that point to a crisis coming to a head, issues that I did not really foresee. One of them are the artificial food shortages and high prices and riots they have brought in their wake. Another is the weakening of the dollar and the perception outside of the States that the U.S. has at long last lost its dominant role as a world power. Tied to this is the weakness of her military, stretched thin as piano wire world-wide. This leaves only the nuclear weapons as an effective weapon, the reason I'm so convinced that they will be used. So, the tragic-comedy continues, and another week begins.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:39:48 EST

Finally, aaman; To get back to topic here. Very few people seem to be noticing that there are war games going in the Persian Gulf, or if they are, it is being sanitized from my version of Google News. Even bloggers (in English) seem to paying very little attention to the tinderbox that is ready to blow here. Partly, this is because they just cannot believe that the tinderbox will blow. At BC Magazine, the sister site to this one in the States, very few people have commented on this piece. I certainly expected to hear from those who self-identified as gays, if nobody else, because a careless reading of what I wrote makes me sound like a homophobe, which I'm not. Apparently, the elections are going off as scheduled, and the administration in the States is waiting to see which way the wind blows before turning on their own "fan" of martial law. There is a sense of denial out there, and it is palpable. Events will have to force recognition of some very unkind realities that are driving events here and overseas.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:27:06 EST

Mac, "null," Let's not quibble over silly things. Both south Asians and Europeans are Caucasians by racial composition. We have far more in common than we have separating us, and the Causasian race is not davka based on "white" skin. The average Neapolitan girl has a skin color very similar to an Arab, a Persian or a Desi. My sister-in-law, who was born and raised in Minnesota of Ashkenazi Jews, tans so dark in that in the summer that you would think she came from Guyana. By contrast, her sister, my wife, has such pale skin that she burns instead of tans. Only after five years in the Judean sun has her skin gotten any tan to it.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:15:22 EST

Aaman, We'll get back to topic in a comment or two. First, some more basic Hebrew. Hebrew is a language that is built largely on three letter roots. Because I studied linguistics, I use a liguistics approach to learning a language that is very foreign to me, and I study it using the roots of the words to expand my understanding, not just of vocabulary, but of nuance and color as well. N-Tz-R is the root for the concept of safety, save, etc (there is a letter for the Tz sound in Hebrew). So, the safety button on a rifle is n'tzir�. Lintz�r means to save - as in to put a gun on safety. Natz�r is safe, as in a clean weapon. This word generally does not have the nuance of "to rescue," which is l'hatz�l or to save as in to reserve a seat; reserved seats will have a sign on them saying sham�r. I learnt this today while learning how to use an M16. But what burned the word into my mind is the fact that there are two other words that use this root. L'hitnatzér means to convert oneself to become a Christian, and Notzr� is the Hebrew word for Christian - a saved one. The Hebrew word for Divine salvation is not related to this at all. That word is l'hosh�'a, the word that is the root for the Hebrew word hosh�'an� which is the root for the English word "hosanna."

Comment by Aaman

Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:24:35 EST

Back to topic, folks, leave the macacas to their games:) Ruvy, today is D-Day in more ways than one. Do let us know of any updates.

Comment by Mac

Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:02:29 EST

?? But you ARE brown...?? Should I attack kanjisheik for degrading white people and then apologize for using the term brown people in a way that's not even slightly disparaging? Null, you have macacas up your butt.

Comment by null

Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:39:06 EST

Mac, us 'brown people' got macacas on our side - do you have any idea how racist it sounds in this day and age to use 'brown people'? We're glad you're cheering, but you can take your condescending attitude and shove it up God/Allah's throne.

Comment by Mac

Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:19:31 EST

G-d doesn't pick on fags - humans do that. Certainly, there are some things you just don't mess with in the State of Israel though. For example, becoming the PM and then giving away Gaza to a bunch of freaking savages. That can seriously mess you up. The homos should be fine though. BTW, true story: Ruvy, I saw your article here at Desicritics.org and I was intrigued by it, so I checked out some of the responses. The Torah desecration sort of angered me, I admit. However, I had no idea there was such a heavy eastern focus (and, I assume, readership) so when I wrote that long statement, I thought it was mainly lefties that would be reading it. Not 100's of millions of brown people. Therefore, allow me to clarify. I don't have anything against Muslims as individuals. I have nothing against Islam as a faith. I have a serious problem with Islamic society though, mainly because it stinks. I am always cheering for countries like India and Ethiopia, but don't see much hope because there's too many countries like Somalia and Pakistan. Anyhow, thanks Durgesh for clearing that whole thing up. I was a little mad at you but I think we're totally cool now.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem

Mon, 6 Nov 2006 06:25:14 EST

Durgesh, I get an e-mail of all comments posted to my articles. So, I got the original unedited comment before the comments editor got to expurgating it. In other words, don't sweat it. I know exactly what you meant in comment #13. Thank you for the kind words. A note for you all. Since the "pride parade" scheduled for Friday has been ORDERED to be allowed to go on by the little prick who has the title "attorney general" in Israel, I would expect G-d to show a grim sense of humor. Look at all this from an Arab or Moslem point of view, the point of view of a Moslem who takes his faith seriously and who is thoroughly disgusted by these goings on. Moslems call Jerusalem Al Quds (the Hebrew equivalent is "haQodesh") "the holy one". In that person's eyes, "not only are the filthy Zionist occupiers occupying our Holy City, which is bad enough, they are hauling in their fag whores in to parade naked in the Holy City, AND they are doing it on the same day that we gather in the Al Aqsa mosque to pray. Damn them, double damn them, triple damn them, they deserve to die for their desecrations against Allah!" Hmmm... Wouldn't it be interesting if Hizballah (actually Iran) decided to start an attack on Israel during this parade? And wouldn't it be even more interesting if one of their missiles fell on it?