Bajour Madrassa Raid: Tackling Islamic Militancy

Zainub

that strike was a warning shot across Mushy's bow's that he should avoid signing treaties such as the waziristan one and second, if he cant control the beards, the americans will.

Trial? What trial were those in the World Trade Center Twin Towers given? Which judge did they have the chance to plead before? You want to give your fellow Islamic militants what you won't give to others.

Indians should certainly not be trying to appease or negotiate peace with those who have no credibility -- and by this I mean those who will murder and justify their fellow murderers in their midst while claiming they are peace bringers.

Whatever quarrels the US has had with the rest of the Islamic world, the fact is that for the duration of the Cold War, Pakistan was the lone pampered poodle in Uncle Sam's lap, and thus has the least credibility in whining against it. It's not like Pakistan was treated like the Palestinians. The country most pampered by the Americans was the one to give it the big backstab -- quite an ethnic tradition in those parts, I must say.


"but even if they were, my common sense seemed to dictate to me killing them in this manner, as opposed to closing down the madrassa, and charging those running it in a fail trial, or some other similar non-violent procedure, would have the been the more effective way of going about the matter in the long run"

Dream on. There was no trial after Pearl Harbour. There was Midway. There was Iwo Jima. And there was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Don't go picking fights if you don't like others to fight back. I realize that this must sound very harsh to the soft Pakistani ears which are used to being cuddled -- but there's reality and then there's "Islamic reality". The two certainly aren't one and the same.

The future for Pakistan is that its own soldiers will have to be fighting US and NATO troops directly, if they don't kill the jihadis on their behalf. Take it or leave it. Nobody's giving you a choice here. You don't deserve one.

This is an excellent piece and clearly shows the anguish of a concerned Pakistani citizen.

this attack was carried out by a drone

anyone has information if the army has access to drones there?

last year a journalist was killed the day after he reported that a similar attack in the region was carried out by the US forces

Your idea of a fair trial or dialogue with the terrorists is certainly a high ideal. However, when was the last time that they were even willing to listen to peaceful solutions...and those few times an agreement was made, which ones were kept when it became no longer in their best interests to do so? I am American and we have been attacked time and time again by these terrorists without any provocation on our part for doing so...and certainly with no inclination for negotiations.

about budda

I hope we all realize that the universe was not born on 9/11. The world existing long before that also. Yes there is a new paradigm since that date. Just like Lebanon (after last summer) provides yet another new prism through we have to now look.

If a thread is just a means to attack all people regardless of any logic or sense of history then we are doing a good job.

But a thread like this, a forum like this can can transport us on its platform to a new frontier where the understanding and not hate rules.

Do not waste time before it runs out. Do not waste youth before we become old. Let new technology help us conquer old fears.

Shaan,

every society , every religious community has problems and their fair share of plusese and minuses.

There are two mapproaches to tackling the problems.

1. be honest, recognise the problems analyse root cause and take corrective action.
2. Blame `others' for your ills and run away from the problem. Demonise `others' and let your socuety suffer.

It is not a favoritism to any or biased against any?

Look at hindus. they have social problems of untouchability. Problem is real. people accepted it. laws were made , reservations were ensured , people were penalised and in last 50 years visible sucess has been achived when mayawati was voted to pwer by Brahmins along with victims dalits.

Muslim community also have problems. They are diferent then Hindus. Mullas are still doing the same what Brahmins used to do 1500 years ago. But Muslims have no courage to see the root of teh problem. They try to follwo path no 2. Huimanity is sufereing but in the zeal of mullas to prove `islam is the best in teh world' they are not ready to recognise the propblems of muslim communities. They always blame others and all of us sometimes believe.

The amount of money being spend on jehad, can change the quality of life of all Muslims around the globe if utilised for human welfare. But do we have courage to say that education is more important then jehad?

In the whole 1400 years of history of Islam, muslims have kileld and tortured more muslims then non muslims.

therefore blaming `others' for every eveil in of in muslim society will never solve the problem. This forum in my opinion gives an opportunity to honestly share the views and concerns we have with each other.

I welcome every muslim to list their grevance with Hindus or other communities. let;s togather analyse these grevances and establish by logic if theya r Muslim centric of hindus also suffer the same way ?

Hindus also lits their grevances and lets; analyse them as well if they contain any grain of truth or ...

That's how problems are solved in civil society.

Man Singh

"Muslim community also have problems. They are diferent then Hindus. Mullas are still doing the same what Brahmins used to do 1500 years ago."

You make life difficult for me by saying that the Mullah is in charge of Islam. The reality is that Sunni Islam does subscribe to a Clergy Class. There is no institutionalized role for a Mulla in Islam. The Mulla is just another guy, he has no special status or authority. But this Mulla listens to you, and thinks maybe you know something, and then this Mulla based on your utterance tries to take control of Islam. You see my problem. Please don't encourage the Mulla by feeding him BS.

"But Muslims have no courage to see the root of teh problem. They try to follwo path no 2. Huimanity is sufereing but in the zeal of mullas to prove `islam is the best in teh world' they are not ready to recognise the propblems of muslim communities. They always blame others and all of us sometimes believe."

All of humanity blames others rather than take responsibility. This is our common problem, why just blame the Muslims.

"The amount of money being spend on jehad, can change the quality of life of all Muslims around the globe if utilised for human welfare. But do we have courage to say that education is more important then jehad?"

I live in USA, no one has ever come to me for charity for Jehadis. Are you sure this problem exists or are we just exaggerating to create a boogyman ?

"In the whole 1400 years of history of Islam, muslims have kileld and tortured more muslims then non muslims."

More Australians have killed other Australians than those killed by Non-Australian. More Mexican have killed other Mexicans etc tec. I don't know the exact statistics but what is the point. Are you saying that it is Ok to kill Muslims ?


"That's how problems are solved in civil society"

Problems will be solved when we stop what Erik Erikson called pseudo specialization. We need to stop thinking less of others. We need to respect all. You calling me a terrorist and I calling you an Arsehole will not get us anywhere. A lot of this is just fear. From today you have a brother in Islam and I have a brother in Sikhism. I will clarify my misunderstanding via you and you do the same via me.

Muslims themselves have killed more muslims in history rather then by non muslims.

Muslims have destroyed more Mosques in hsitory rather then non muslims.

In spite of that muslims blame non muslims for all their eveils.

Look how jehadis pretend to justify crime againsyt humanity in India as reaction of Ayodhya, Gujraat or Modi though truth is that this jehadi mentality is bleeding India since 713 AD till date. let Indians (Hindus , Muslims Sikhs jains christians etc.) togather analyse the problem in totality and expose the lies of Jehadis that try to `demonise the victims'

It is always "fun" to see the immediate and dramatic polarisation when the topic of terrorism involving muslims comes to the fore.

India has been a victim of the extreme situations that prevail on the other side of the border.

Prior to 9/11 it fell on deaf ears. One must not forget the blatant episode just a few months or so before 9/11 when the Indian Airlines plane was hijacked to Kandahar and the Pakistani terrorists - who are now loafing around in Pakistan openly - got released.

India found it so hard to get international attention on the fact that the Taliban was facilitating this act and Pakistan was designed to be the beneficiary.

Post 9/11/ Post Iraq, America has made such a mess that any benefit we could have as a nation derived from international recognition of terrorism, and of Pakistan for what it is, has been squandered.

Pakistan provides an explosive cocktail of anti-India sentiment and religious extremism. The thesis of their state on creation was that they are un-Indian; 60 years later their definition continues to be an articulation of their anti-Indian sentiment.

Whenever they have an untenable internal situation Kashmir becomes an issue and war happens.

Mush's current situation is precarious; it makes me nervous that our country is going to face another misadventure by Pak generals.

The poor Mr. Average in Pakistan is as much a victim of this as India is. I know many Indians may find it hard to accept that there is a Mr. Average in Paikistan. But there is.

And the Itinerant Indian has met and befriended enough of them to know that they are gushing in their admiration of India, Indians and Indian movies, perhaps in the reverse order.

They may murmur about what they have been fed or read about "Hindu atrocity on Muslims" in India. But we know and they know in their hearts, it is more to do with the friction of few people rushing for scarce resources in a country of over a billion people. It is not systematic. And it is better than how the average Shia is considered by the average Sunni.

We are still a fairer country and dont look at each other through colored lenses on a daily basis, though the odd political convulsion makes it look so.

(Recently, though, in London, a church had put up a sign that the Archbishop of Madras was going to speak on "Status of Dalits in Indian Society". Washing dirty linen in public? Inviting others to fish in troubled Indian waters? God knows.)

There is no systematic preaching against any community per se; in Pakistan the anti-Shia sentiment is scary. What is happening in Iraq is sad and the Prophet cannot be happy with what his followers are doing to each other in his name.

Paikstanis have a lot to envy India for. I hope and pray they start to see point of a stable state with economic gains. It may keep the mullahs in the mosque and the generals in the barracks.

Right now both of them are in the drivers seat and neither belongs there.

The US is probably delighted with this polarisation within the muslim world. But by the standards they seek to impose on the rest of the world, Mr Bush is a war criminal. The numb quiet of the Senate and the Congress on an eminently impeachable President is puzzling.

Perhaps he is considered a complete idiot who is likely to respond with: "Impeachment? No, I just had dinner."

In the meanwhile, they continue with their foreign policy blunders. Denying Hamas the democratic victory was stupid. A week in power, and Hamas would have become toothless. (Remember Lech Walesa? Nelson Mandela? Vaclav Haval? Success at rebellion defangs the rebel. All these guys succeeded at revolt, and are now part of the wall paper. Hamas, on the other hand rules.)

US handling of Pak is another blunder. But this blunder is on Indias border.

Pray!

Yes Shan,

More Australians has kilel australians but they never hide it and blame `infidels'.

More Mexians have killed mexicans then non mexicans but they never blame `infidles' for tehir problems.

Opposite to that Muslims blame each n every evil within their society on `infidles conspiracy'.

from where money is flowing to kashmiri terrorists who have kileld 35000 Hindus and 45000 Muslims in kashmir valley?

From where money is flowing in thailand where muslims are in killing spree?

From where money is coming in Chechenya, Algeria, saudi arabisa and Palestien where Muslims are killing muslims.

Muslims in India shout loud for unfortunate event of Gujraat and ayodhya (in spite of majority Hindus apologetic for that), But they keep quite when Muslims themselves has destriyed tousands of Mosques and kileld hundres of thousands of muslims.

My opinion is that criminals has no religion. But I have seen muslim community comes out openly whenever a muslim criminal is arrested in any part of te world for any crime including terror.

when Bombay train blast took place, all Muslims members of Parliaments came out on teh streets of Bombay next day to theaten the Police that `Muslim youth should not be harrassed'. what nonsense?

How police should work? If a terrorist is being sheleterd in aMosque or temple, where ploice should go?

malegaon blast Muslims plaaned the whole blast ina Mosque during a marraige ceremony of a influencosl muslims's son.

I m not blaming whole community here. But I do blame the over reaction of muslimswhenerver any muslim if found engaged in any crime. `discrimination by infidels' is takiyakalam.

have you ever seen any other community leaders on teh street if a criminal is arrested from their community?

because crime is crime. a religious person can never be a criminal.

I am sorry if I have used some offending words.

Man Sin

Even if all the Muslims went to hell in a hand basket, you will still have to deal with lack of positivity within you. You have a choice, you can look at the glass as half full or you can look at the glass as half empty. Unfortunately very rarely in life you will be in a situation were everything will be perfect.