The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 - Big Brother has Arrived

Laws are made with Good intentions, but the implementation of the laws is almost always suspect. Just wait and see how much this ACT is going to be misused.

With great freedom comes great responsibility.... if our law makers just make laws without fool-proofing it with regards to chance of misuse, what good is a skewed law anyway.

One would slowly realise that the whole family which includes women being victimised by misuse of of DV Act, just as its happening with 498a.

Implementation....... is the key(just like almost every known/recognised concept in management is great, its execution is the key!)

See http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com/2006/10/dv-bill-laxman-rekha-for-surpanakhas.html , SIF members blog voicing his concerns about how DV Act could be hijacked by the undeserving, money-minded Family Terrorists.

"Most victims of domestic violence are women who come from all social and economic backgrounds."

This is just a conjecture and not a fact but the whole exercise is based on this conjecture.
regards

It is painful to see how stupid ministers could be in their own statements. Consider Renuka's statement " "The enactment of the law is a historic step towards ending gender discrimination"

Just by enacting a DV bill ONLY FOR WOMEN shows how biased and foolish the government and it's officials are.

If 70% of the women in India are victims of DV, show me a statistics and numbers......

You cannot interview 25 women for the women's rights organization and generalize the results.

Interestingly this law can be used only by women. And you are saying it is going to end gender discrimination.

I tell you !!! The law is in existance only because of 99.99% of Indians still do not know about this.

This DV act will add more misery to the tortured husbands and their family members due to its misuse and the unexpected rise in cases related to marital problems.

There is no doubt that our Indian culture in which marriage is depicted as a sacred institution, is going to end soon, very soon, and that too in the era of so called democratic and fee India.

I highly condemn this law as this is only going to destabilise the basic foundation of marriage. Women today are very smart and no sane person goes for violence / harrassment. Relationships are based on mutual acceptance and whoever are running this law forget that they can not forcefully make a relation work.. It would not lead to happiness. The lawmakers should know the practicality of the situation.. every police officer can be bribed and can be manipulated. These laws are a showcase of bunch of absurd abnormal, dumb female organisations. The point which is trying to be achieved here should be achived by MAKING AN INDIAN WOMAN INDEPENDENT. These women have got habituated to be dependent on husbands pay and harassing them and her in laws on her tunes. It is a gross violation of human rights.making a woman independent only can can let makeher right choices in her life and be happy.

I highly condemn this law as this is only going to destabilise the basic foundation of marriage.

i am with you kirti

anything this draconian that destablizes marriage should be trashed

or

failing which we should have another look at the institution of marriage itself

temporal, maybe this means that Indian men should stay away from Indian women in toto, whether it be the wife, the mother, or the neighbor's wife;) sanyaas time, perhaps?:)

hmmm

the trouble is dee when men stay away from women they make war not babies

(ref: see encyclopedia brittanica under war)

The worst ever act for indian family has finally arrived.The only goal of our womens organizations is to create laws which can severely blackmail a man.Their goal is to make man a puppet in the house.

1.Why do these women marry men? Cant they live happily in a single life?

2.Now women want to bring even live-in relationships under this law. So this law gives recognition for prostitution in India. Our women organizations have worked hard to safe guard prostitute rights.Example: Men who are in live-in relationships can now be arrested if they dont give gifts and money to the female live-in.The female can give a false complaint and arrest her partner if her demands are not fulfilled.

3.Is there any law to protect harassed husbands?

4.Women have cunningly used crying in public as a sympathy factor to fool our innocient legal system.

5.Rural and poor women continue to suffer and Urban/Rich/educated women continue to misuse the law and torture men with vengence.

6.The parlamentarians who consist mostly of useless men dont realize the fact that their families will be ruined by the misuse of this law.

7.Men will start avoiding marriage to live a happy and trouble free life.Women will cross all limits to commit adultry.

8.This act is the beginning of destruction of a family in India. Marriage will lose its sanctity. Divorce rate will triple.

9.Womens organizations have successfully worked towards increasing the divorce rate in our country in the name of womens liberation.

10.Innocient men will be tortured by all means.They will be blackmailed with criminal cases from women.

11. All the taxes paid by the men who boost our national economy are inturn used to fund such women organizations who create laws against men.

When will the men wakeup,unite and fight for their fundamental rights?

Good point, t - comment of the day:)

Kaliyug hein Temporal saahib, here Kali rules the roost, intellect gets eclipsed and morbid ego remains until theres life in this earth..... Satyayug is what we can yearn for(after pralaya), Kaliyug will have to end itself.

I wonder what this pralaya would manifest itself as, is it this DV itself!, or is it 'Bush'

Sakshi : If you follow the terms and conditions and talk at a broader level then domestic violence covers a wide spectrum of cases in India.If a female stays in B'lore,Mumbai,Delhi or some big city and is educated and is from upper/middle strata of the society,I am pretty sure that 6/10 would go out of the way and raise their voice against any injustice. Education,family support and societial outlook are the factors which drive the decisions of these females.

Now when you turn your eyes to rural India or mid towns in India, the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 would be most useful..But all depends how staunchly this is going to be implemented or is it going to be another law in paper but not in action/practise....

temporal : yes,there is going to be mis-use of this law too,especially by the educated females as in the name of law,they can go to a greater extent now..but then if someone wants to mis-use law for her benefit we cant do much...

Strange that so many posters are upset about this law. I believe it shall be difficult if not impossible to implement. But beyond the husbands, it is the protection the law provides from the natal family that is most important. So far domestic violence laws around the world have focussed on the partner (and the inlaws in some cases). Here is finally a law that recognises that women are mistreated by their birth families too: Brothers and fathers who feel their "honour" has been compromised, feel it is their right to control the women in their family etc. Interestingly since the act is not linked to any family law, it also will afford protection to women like the one recently who killed her father for sexual harassment.
It isn't a silver bullet but what is soooo awful about it?
Awaiting enlightenment on this one...

Who creates these Acts and Bills, which won't address even Genuine violence(see the punishment under DV is just 20,000 rupees or 'some' Jail- dont know whats the exact max term), neither does it fool-proof the misuse of this Act.

Why is these half-baked laws made in the first place, who are those jokers who impose these shoddy shit on us!?.

Come to think about these, aren't these ways to destabilise intelligent India and divert their resources and time fighting against shadows!(so that these corrupt politicians can stay corrupt, and keep on staying on top of us and "RULE" and probably connect his village with his wife's village with fully Air-conditioned "Gareeb Raths"!).

Pathetic.......... how much does a gun cost in Mumbai!(or Ex-Bihar price!)?.

Save Indian Family activist Mr.Asish Mukhi will be in the panel discussing Domestic Violence Act from 12 midnight tonight(going on right now!, as of 1.30 A.M 27/10/06): Domestic Violence Act came into force as of today 26/10/2006, and is full of Grey areas which will hit Indian family adversly yet again, just like misuse of IPC-498a.

The implementation of DV is going to be gargatuan, if not outright ridiculous(Protection officers are going to be balanced senior IAS!!!, tell me about it!)

Righta

Why are you all so upset.
If you all behave yourself and stop being violent, then the law wont harm you.

Infact I would even love another Act on the lines of DC policy(internet abuse of women) ie all those men taken into task who have called all women here Supranaks and all the other words.

Watch it , it is going to come soon.

Check out the updated excerpts of the DV act: http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?fromtimeline=true&id=95405&callid=1&template=womencrime

Righta

How long will the culprits escape.....the world is round and soon the chase is over.

1) All NRI husbands passports are being impounded, Interpol alerts have already been issued, and extradition process has started.
For more information and to see the actual picture of NRI marriages read here & here

lately there has been some respite to this misfortune, and several resolution offered by MOIA and NCW combined .

2) And now this---our group of men and women combined has finally done it.

All of our efforts have seen the light of day.

Some also correctly pointed out that women not only in in-laws houses but in their Natal home will also be given protection. She will not be forced to marry or discriminated against. That I think is also awesome.

I don't approve calling a "lady" - "Surpanaka". But if someone's actions translate into the image of a Surpanaka, why not :)(it is another angle/view that Surpanaka just had a crush on Laxman and she got her unmentionables chopped off for just that "sin", but we are talking about general 'images' from mythology here).

But if u check, I wouldn't have written anything like that on the net. Since I don't have anything against ladies/girls(I have a mother and a girl child, and I respect human beings for what they are, and strive to be).

Behaviours need be hated, not the person

I don't approve calling a "lady" - "Surpanaka".

ohhhhhh my God....I am so fazed out with this one.

Each and every lady of DC has been called a Supranaka on this space and as well as her blogs on the most irrelevant posts.

In fact I think Temporal had even written a post on that.

But still , my advise to you is move on and do something.

We are already one our next plan to stop internet abuse. (more on the lines of DC policy). It will take sometime, maybe alot but will happen.

Neha, It was not me, right?

See---that is where you guys have taken the beating. You do not stand as a TEAM.

If my team member says something, I will and we all will stand by it because we have one common goal.

No questions asked, no doubts and no arguments. WE only have our goals to achieve. That is to stop violence in this world against women.

If I say something, it is not me but my entire team by it expressing the same. That is where our UNITY is and lies. We have no ego in working for the team's goals, we are not scared, when our seniors question, we answer, we are ACCOUNTABLE inorder to enjoy our presence in the group.

Name calling and abusing will never work and will not yield any results. Exposing your better halfs details on the internet thinking it will work against her will not win you brownies. Certain notorious members of your group have tarnished your image permanently. Who knows that with the non-stop ranting and abusing on the internet by them, spamming our inboxes and inboxes of authoritative personalities has made it possible to bring this act into effect sooner.

Mirror- image theory has failed. Period.

The sacrifices of several women who were burnt alive, the ideologies of non-violence, & respect for fellow being have worked in our favor.
Sweet and diplomatic words, requests and highly regarded well worded arguments will always win.

(I hope this time you will not pompously and imprudently dismiss of by saying ...'they have no team or group' like last time u did on some other thread. Because now I know you know. We have had intruders from your group inside our group lately)

Just because some one called someone else Surpanakha does not justify the existence of crappy laws like 498a and DV Act. You need to get over your ego hassles with a couple of people who called you Surpanakha and look at the implications of there poorly conceived laws on the society.

Generation Next->According to Russian Women, Indian men are best Husbands. Marry Russian Girls. This way, no Indian Girl will need protection.

cheers.

I do not know how long will it take for Indian Girls to become equal.
What equality?
If they feel they are equal then Protection from what?

To 24

Chill......do carry on with the SUpranak calling.

My answer was for #22. Manners kiddo....

Whoever said calling SUparnaka was directly connected to 498a etc. Get off that syndrome and do something constructive.

Till now I only know rights of women in this site.
Can any one tell me what are/should be the duties of women as right comes with duties and not alone.

And what is your right to ask this question?

Who are you?

Is it a discussion Platform or do we have to buy rights from you SIR

Watever...

If you do not wish to answer me , then please do not question my .

If you do not wish to answer me , then please do not question my RIGHTS.

You never mentioned who you answer was for. And frankly, I don't care. My comment was for you though, Neha!

#24

Watever....carry on....

==For any feminism thought women(indian)==

you mean this dv act in its form is good for the country, unless you are thinking of your children or you are married and aged..

My mother never; uprightly throw it away. Reasons ==>

In Western nations, women are not supported by husband or anyone. It goes by give and take policy in marriage. In 2005 as per USA census
it is said Marriage is getting extinct in USA.

do you think any man on the land of india will accept someone he is feeding can control him meaninglessly? by criminal terror fear. Marriage will 100% destroy in a year or 10 yrs, But certainly it will. I guess, outsiders of india is involved for this.

Those women, who are not thinking and running fastly behind feminist organisations are not thinking in a dimension calmly whether it
really helps preserve our culture and soul.

These laws will be used sprucely only by manipulative women largely. If any sita using it, her mind will be slowly spoiled by other bad women to misuse it and "umbrella of control" starts in her family. Marriage closes shortly.

How can a luv/trust/attachment relationship runs with police, using economic/emotional abuse without physical abuse?

In otherwords, we are getting pulled by western nations for their form of life style. no one is thinking about this.

un married women age grows and they will be more burdened like western women to manage herself or her father less(if) family. No man will come forward to marry her or to live with her in fear of 498a or DV act. what will be the fate of the country?

If you see urban women look healthy and ready for beauty contest, but even higher position men or a bureacrat look dry face, peechy personality or dull/pale structure. Am I wrong in not making this research properly? though we call india, male-dominated, it is never. These men are attached and running their families blindly with no expectation. Such highly position men never take care of their women such way in any part of western life. This happens only in India. Now these men start thinking seriously. These men learn theri sons to stay away from urban women for marriages.

I came to know about this after looking life in the west for several years. Western nations are male dominated but not India.

Infrastructure of India will further deteriorate because all significant thinkers loose balance of their mind to perfectly.

Because of blackmail, by-controll, implicit marital conflicts and years together fight inside courts JUST for finance distribution
among couple. Bureacrats and intellectuals mind this way gets ruptured and can't contribute well or time for the infrastructure better for the country. Intellectuals continue to leave the country.

This is what you wanted DV or 498a in current form. if any innocent women is learnt about such laws, and one bad individual is enough to
change their minds to control their husbands. That starts destruction of marriage and take a lot of time and resources of individuals.

Today india infrastrcutre is affected, I believe, strong reason is 498a. Many officials participate in corruption as they became
imbalanced, selfish not thinking properly for the development of the country, just because their minds are affected for 5 to 15 yrs period
in controlled, blackmailed marriage. you can't imagine what happens to brain or physiology of human when stressed for years together. That outcome is the present physic structure of men in India.

In future, just like in the west, women be it mother, sister will be fed by only brothers or fathers only. Concept of husband will die. If
they get husbands, they get poor husbands, who are economically not well otherwise not. Just western life pervades all walks of life in
India. Marriage will not happen (bcoz, boys parents learn boys not to, I learn my son to..i need his physical health and mental helath
rather marriage life).

Laws when designed in bias to women should have been designed bias towards education and literacy as well. Govt must had designed DVact or
498a differently for educated women after 10th or intermediate atleast, so that misuse gets stopped and country would have flourished infrastructurally. Urban educated ill-women is as cruel as a urban educated ill-men. dont you agree? In that case, how do you agree to keep such laws in the hands of such women? dont you think such women crime increases in society and go unnoticed as there is no law for bad married women to get arrested.

Many intellecutals(70% 498a cases) masters, phds, engineers, doctors are around courts for 5 yrs to 8 yrs to just become innocent after
trials. Is this the way country using intellectual resources/proeprty for the country? is this what we wanted India to be?

There is chance for India only when dedicated, sacrifice women role is required. India doesn't afford feminism. It affords active role of
BEST women for the development of the nation. Women who are in wonderful marriage and at the same time helping hands for the country
flourish and not feminists.

I end up saying only one thing before western feminism takes its troll completely -

Good women ROLE is must for Indias growth and to preserve marriage value system and spiritual india. Pls. think calmly for a day or 2
and read western life and indian life difference, where it comes. I want my daughter to be part of this marriage system and not living
outside marriage with multiple parterns in the name of liberation.

Once majority of Indian men are learnt not to provide/protect/feed his wife for no reciprocation/expectation from herside, that is westernization.

Do you think, a man who simply becomes a pet dog with economic/emotional violence usage by a urban controlling any women. I dont think so. Marriage will 100% break. BUT if the man is
intelligent enough to become a beggar, what happens to the fate of that women in the current indian critcal/difficult economy, has any
one thought about it. She will be forced to enter into mal-profession for survival. Bad elements use her more and more. Is this feminism?

Such cases grow exponentially from year after year. Men stop marrying if not now, after 5 yrs. parents will no longer marry their boys. they learn them how to stay away and take care of themselves.

I disclaim all liabilities, these are my opinions & thoughts and experience for the help to other mankind preserving spiritual india.

It is Historic Law truely said by Renuka Choudhary. It law is definetly going to destroy the institution of marriage and will promote legal prostitution.

Do we need some enenmy to distroy any country? Law like this is sufficient. Very good Renuka ji. Please come-up with more innovative ideas to destroy the marriage and indian culture to promote legal prostitution.

BTW, what made your goverment feel that women are only subject to cruelty in indian household? Don't you have suicide statistics of india. If not please have a look.
http://www.who.int/ncd/mip2000/presentations/LVijayakumar/sld001.htm

Keep promoting legal prostitution.

Y Bhavy

Now what is the use of crying over spilled milk.
Sitting on the internet will not get these bills stopped.

Calling every women supranaka and her husband ravana....even namecalling is not forbidden, has served no purpose.

Now cry.

THE ONLY GOOD THING IS THAT EVEN THE BOYS MOTHER , SISTER AND DAUGHTER CAN MAKE GOOD USE OF THIS LAW.

Who makes a prostiture a one.

If she has no customers she will go home and stop her business.

By asking such stupid questions and assuming that most people here are unidimensional will not help.


BEAWARE OF NAME CALLING NOW.

DECCAN LINK
Women activists dismiss domestic abuse law


New Delhi, Oct 26: A leading women's rights group on Thursday said a new law against domestic abuse, though powerful on paper, will fall prey to lax enforcement.
The Domestic Violence Act 2005, which aims to protect women against physical, mental and verbal abuse by husbands and live-in partners, came into effect on Thursday. Violators face up to a year in prison and a fine of Rs 20,000, the ministry for women and child development said. Rights activists however said the legislation was a "half-hearted" attempt by the government to tackle the problem.

"The government has made a mockery of the whole legislation. Women will line up to file complaints with no mechanism in place. There will be a huge backlog," said Donna Fernandes, who founded Vimochana, a women's rights group 27 years ago.
The government has said it would appoint special "protection officers" to attend to complaints, but did not spell out how many officers will be recruited. Lawyers, who have been fighting to get the legislation through, said it would at least set a standard on fighting domestic abuse.

This is a diwali gift to Indian men!!!! Do not worry Indian men deserve this law to come in 21st century reality.

Let enjoy the life the way western men does marriage for 2 or 3 hours and pay her what she deserve, as Indian women considered all 600 million Indian Men in the same Plat form of Western man and made the Law Domestic violence Act

Indian Old Parents and Pregnant Sisters in JAIL?



-( Indian men deserve this law , because they are immature and bloody fool ), Purchase house joint name with wife ( to save tax ) , car in wife name , through out the age old parents to please the wife .. They deserve it.. No other way.. As I say there is only Ravans are there, laxman all are power less.



- But please note Indian Men are not so fool, now before marriage the House for the Girls is must... Without that who will marry and want to through out his age old parent??

- No cash to wife.. Payment only through Cheque!!!

- Voice recorder in the house.. Very nice and boost business.

- Before marriage at least four Legal Documents to be signed by wife and their parents.

- How many corporate mangers IIT, IIM, IT Engineers will donate the money to the cause of women well fare, let wait and watch!!!

- How many Corporate Mangers encourage the women for Promotion on the basis of her Capability..When his own wife will send him to jail or through out of house by using BV act.

- How many Top corporate Women will be able to lead a happy married life!!!

- How many NRI Guy will be really Interested to marry a Indian Girl ???



.. Like that a lot will come .



When our Government including President of India sold to those Modern Suparnakhs and Ravans , what you expect from them ?? They don’t want a Domestic harmony in India ... they want only Violence.. Violence.. More rape, more crime against women ...I don’t know how many Bhagat Singh , How many Jatin Das , how many Netaji .. will be come out to stop this legal terrorism !!!!!



Those women don’t understand what mistake they have done , they have diged their own well by them self . The war started by them.. Let see who won and who lost!!!!!!!



Let wait and watch, how Indian women start begging in Delhi- NH4 for a men forget the marriage, for a live together, for a part time father for their child!!!!!!

Legal first wife is likely to be cheated - Proposed Domestic Violence Bill !!



So Indian Men, get up and prepared to go to jail, Indian jail will be a Picnic Spot... As long back said by Nishant and for that a free Gate pass for your whole family will be available the moment you get married!!!



Another Step to Kill the Institution of Indian Marriage System.

Mr Raj Uncle of # 40

Did you forget to to put the entire post of the deccan article. The MOST important part where Indira Jaisingh washed out the Foona Fernandes.


Readers the entire article goes like this and please note the comment of Indira Jaisingh who we all know who she is

New Delhi, Oct 26: A leading women's rights group on Thursday said a new law against domestic abuse, though powerful on paper, will fall prey to lax enforcement.
The Domestic Violence Act 2005, which aims to protect women against physical, mental and verbal abuse by husbands and live-in partners, came into effect on Thursday. Violators face up to a year in prison and a fine of Rs 20,000, the ministry for women and child development said. Rights activists however said the legislation was a "half-hearted" attempt by the government to tackle the problem.

"The government has made a mockery of the whole legislation. Women will line up to file complaints with no mechanism in place. There will be a huge backlog," said Donna Fernandes, who founded Vimochana, a women's rights group 27 years ago.
The government has said it would appoint special "protection officers" to attend to complaints, but did not spell out how many officers will be recruited. Lawyers, who have been fighting to get the legislation through, said it would at least set a standard on fighting domestic abuse.

"The law is a benchmark of how society expects women to be treated. When women are aware of their rights, they can negotiate better with men, even if they do not press charges," said leading lawyer Indira Jaising, who has been demanding the law since 1994. Acc-ording to the National Crime Records Bureau, more than 7,000 women were killed in dowry disputes in 2004, 18,124 were raped and more th-an 1,75,200 suffered other crimes. At least 58,400 women also complained to police of cruelty by their husbands in 2004, the report said.

Everyone once again NOTE the figures of dowry deaths , rape and related crimes.

A law at the speed of premature ejaculation, that's what DV is right now. Not good for women(comment#40), not good for anyone, certainly bad for gentlemen directly(and his dependants and hence Indian family indirectly).

Neha(comment no#23), SIF is a decentralised "self-help" group which has no formal/central control, so you can't pin the group down with reference to what individual members might chose to do in their personal capacity. You would have gauged the clout of SIF when both India TV and CNN-IBN invited SIF activists in Panels for discussing the pros and cons of the newly enforced/ejaculated Domestic Violence ACT(and in India TV Ashish(SIF member) was in the company of two thorough-bred lady lawyers and the results were there for all to see- there were no were to run for the blind DV Act fanatists.

So don't sweat if you are unable to PIN SIF down undeservingly, take it easy :). Bring on your internet etiquette rule or whatever(or is it ACT or Bill or just a Scare-crow!), it seems that u need a job anyway :).

Coming back to the topic, DV bill "as it is", is a dud, no value/use for anyone but the law misusers, but I wonder why some ladies in here are not getting it(may be they are the real law misusers or their aides)

#42- nice data except not the same anamika. Btw, why the hysteria guys? All statistics show that women in India aren't particularly having the best time of their lives - domestic violence, rape (marital and otherwise), poor health, death in childbirth, lack of employment and education, and in many states a complete skewering of the demographics because female foetuses are being aborted. Sounds like a paradise for women all right. Oh, and this is without even going into the specific problems of the minority community thanks to the idiocy of the Shah Bano case.
The one good thing about this bill is that they haven't linked it to any religious personal law. So women like Imrana (remember her?) have a shot at getting legal help.
Yes of course there are implementation problem but those exist with the entire penal code. At least its a start...

Sakshi:
This is completely irrelevant to the article. But I was a bit confused when you used "Big Brother has Arrived". Did you use it as Orwellian Big Brother or like an Indian 'Big Brother' ('Main Hu Na') types?

I welcome this law. Yes, implementation is a problem but as Anamika said, that's a problem with the entire penal code. That's no reason this law should be deemed unnecessary.

The first thing that should be done is to use this law and make examples of a few so that everyone gets to know and the law acts as a deterrent to all idiots who dont respect women.

On the other hand, steps should be taken so that this law isnt misused or used to blackmail or coerce anyone.

But why they had to ejaculate it out of need for speed!. Don't we have enough think-tanks as our law makers, who could have thought of a much more decent law framing?. Why was the hurry, so that there is enough grey areas for the money making lobbies to thrive on?(as Ashish mentioned, the monkey makes hay in between the quarelling cats).

Do you think the law should have been framed like a 5 year olds attempt at poetry and then when they get time to sit and tighten it up that be done!. Whats the big funda of ejaculation in judicial process?.

Latest Update:
Due to huge back Lash , NCW and thier assoictes sister orginasation begging to media to stop the awareness campin of DV act.

A lot of young guys taken on surprise when they came to know , thier one night girlfrined also can book them under DV act ...

Suddenly Ms. Pinky Anand, Ms. Geeta Latur .. started to saying this law poorly drafted and it will be misused 24 times more than present 498a...

Haaa.. why sudden change???
Let continue the awareness programe in media and reach to each and every home of small small house??

Vidhya,
With your logic only ,Why you are so desprate to get the whole sale freelincence to do the domestic violence?
If the law is like this , who ever does the violence will be punished, what is the problem?
If you think women does not do violence , they will not be punished as per your theroy only ?
Why you all women are so much scared to make the DV act equall for all?
or
It is that you do not want that a violent women should not get any punishment?

This is another law that is only going to provide more ammo for vengeful women to get back at their husbands and these psychopaths call it a diwali gift for women (sic).

Nobody even wants to discuss how these laws can be misused and are being misused by unscrupulous women throughout the country.

This is a sick law drafted by psychopaths who want the easy way out of problems. Such laws will destroy the institution of marriage in our country.


I also want to know where they got their statistics from, saying 70% of women are subjected to some form of violence.

Now here's scenario married men (in fact, thanks to the diwali gift, u dont have be married anyomore to undergo this torture) have to face.

If wife refuses sex then then and husband wants it, then becomes a form of sexual violence. Vice versa becaomes emotional violence (sic)

If the wife whores around, its the guy with whom she whores around who is in trouble not the wife. If you go aroudn with a woman, then you are comitting adultery!!!!!

If u ask your wife to get a job then you are abusing her. If u ask her to quit her job, then u are still harassing her.

In short if you a woman in india, thanks to the new law now -

You can be a married whore
Siphon off your husband's hard earned money ( turn him into a talking, breathing ATM that can also perform tricks on demand) or else claim he is subjecting you to economic violence?
Isolate him from his friends and family and turn him into your slave (with no chance of liberty).
Beat up your husband and feel happy about it as there is no law against it.

AND THE ICING ON THE CAKE....
LODGE A COMPLAINT WITH THE COPS THAT HE IS ILL TREATING/HARASSING you IF HE REFUSES TO BE A SLAVE.

Why dont they also bring animals under the ambit of such laws so that you can get your hubby's pet dog arrested if it refuses to bark and/or bite at him on your command. I am sure this must find some place under our laws.After all if husband's relatives, friends and even those people the woman has never met or talked to can be arrested on 498a charges, then why not the the husband's pet (of course, provided the dog ain't ANOTHER BITCH!!!!!!!!)

Instead of trying to uplift women by making primary education compulsory and focussing on education and health at the grassroots level and focusing on rural areas where women need all the help they can get, these NGOs and women's organizations just hold the government to ransom and draft such bull shit laws to harass husbands and their family members.

This law will never benefit those for whom it is really intended. Rural women who suffer in slience and who do not have acess to support structures AND WILL CONTINUTE TO SUFFER.

Implementing such only gives instant gratification to so called women's organizations and embolden the so called educated urban woman to mercilessy harass men.

IF THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO PASS SUCH LAWS THEN IT SHOULD MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR ALL MEN WHO ARE GOING TO BE MARRIED TO ATTEND AWARENESS CLASESS ABOUT THESE LAWS.

THE GOVERNMENT AND THE NCW AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS KNOW PRETTY WELL THAT IF ANY MAN WHO is PLANNING TO GET MARRIED IS MADE AWARE OF THE PLETHORA OF LAWS STACKED AGAINST HIM (DV, ANTI DOWRY.. AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE FOR THE NEXT DIWALI..) HE WILL NEVER EVER WANT TO GET MARRIED AND THE GOVERNMENT WOULD SOON HAVE TO INSTITUTIONALISE PROSTITUTION AND MOST OF THESE MONEY SUCKING, GOLD DIGGING WOULD BE BRIDES WOULD HAVE TO TURN TO PROSTITUTION AS MEN WOULD SIMPLY REFUSE TO MARRY.

OTHERWISE ANY MAN WHO IS MARRYING, IF UNLUCKY, IS ONLY WALKING INTO A TRAP FROM WHICH HE IS NEVER GOING TO LIBERATE HIMSELF...

Soon, no man worth his salt would want to marry a girl from this country. He would rather go to a whore.... and also make sure he is not in a live-in relationship with a whore coz according to the law even whores can send you to jail. The last time we heard, it was only a legally married wife who could do such an honor?

Where the hell is this country heading.......

V

Righta,
You have mentioned about Mr.Asish Mukhi in India TV.
But you have not mentioned the persons name represent in CNN-IBN.
He had openly used the word like "Modern Sita" and "Modern Surpanakha" in his view that this LAW made in the name of "Modern Sita" and "Modern Surpanakha" will misuse that and modern Sita's life will be hell in the hand of "Modern Surpanakha" as DV act gives the right to live in relationship and for that the first legal wife's right will be cheated.

Yeha , the host and other side two female representative have not dare to use the word like "Gay" , "ashole", "bustered"..etc , though thier friends are are famous to use that in internate only.

Hi friends,
I think we must all appreciate Renuka Chaudhary , NCW & allies for
formulating such a wonderful method of Birth Control In India.

Surprised !!!!!!!!

Its Simple gentlemen.....

Now after 498A , we have DV to add to the agonies of Indian men.The
result will be a scare in the mind of Indian men to marry.

Consequences:::::::No marriage, No love, No sex....& so...no
CHILDREN....!!!!!!

WHAT A WAY OF BIRTH CONTROL IN INDIA....!!!!

Now the only question that comes to mind here is...Where will these
bitches go to satisfy their sex & lust hunger?????

Keep it up NCW...(Nation's Cunning Women)

Oh birth control was the goal of this premature 'DV' ejaculation, mmmm now it makes sense, thanx Umesh.

No discussions with citizens/expert groups, no systems in place, no appointing of officials, process half-ready, but promulgation ready & promptly done with, it happens only in India. (no love, no foreplay, no planning for the future, just premature ejaculation!)

VOTE BANK Politics Zindabad, just wait till these politicians start selling their bodies for votes(they have already sold their souls, so this is the only logical next).... like those buxom wannabe girls do in Elections South American nations(a "Kiss' for a 'Vote', but again what would male candidates offer in return to a 'vote'!?).

I despise the thought that we ourselves have let these jokers to rule and make us dance to their loony tunes, what a pity, what shame, what an existence......

Some FACTS from UNPF as well as other organizations that suggest that the Indian woman is not in such wonderful state as the posters protesting DV law seem to suggest:
- In 2005, 6,787 cases of dowry-related deaths were recorded.
- More than two-thirds of married women in India between the ages of 15 and 49 are victims of beating, rape or forced sex, according to a 2005 report by the United Nations Population Fund (UNPF).
- According to the National Crime Records Bureau, there were 155,553 crimes committed against women last year -- 68,810 of which were considered to be domestic violence. Torture and molestation were the most widespread crimes.
- Women's groups say the real figure could be 10 times more as many cases go unreported with victims unwilling to speak out, fearing the shame and stigma associated with being a divorced or separated woman in traditional Indian society.

Sound like the DV is the first step in the right direction. For those who seem to think the bill was hurried through, its been in the parliament channels since late 1990s because the various parties couldn't even agree to the lowest common denominator on it...

Wait a few days.
It would be fun to watch the same male lawmakers and law enforcers who
were behind this stupid law, appearing court to get bail for the cases filed by their own wives, daughters,sisters,nieces etc.

price for their act.

Let the women decide their fate, do not guide them.

And the source for this magical 20,000 men committing suicide? The number of dowry deaths are from India judiciary. Those are the ones CLASSIFIED as dowry deaths. They do not include gas cylinder explosions, from ailment because women are denied health care, or straight forward murders classified as suicides or murders. Amongst Muslim women in many areas - rickets is making a comeback because of the need for full burqa. Indian women have some of the highest death rates from uterine cancer and breast cancer again because these are "shameful" diseases that ought not to be treated by doctors or even diagnosed because the MAN's honour is compromised!
GROW up. All the breast beating by men on the forum doesn't change the fact that Indian women ARE poorly off and the law is one step in correcting that imbalance.

Anamika, would you please explian what is the logic of trying hard to same the bad women( Husband killer) of the society?

If wife sucide , not only husabnd all thier sister, mother, grand monther also goes behind the without any small investigation.
But when husband sucide or get killed or even proved also she had burnt her husband alive, still all get scot free ...

Is this called women empowerment , had husband killers to be saved in our society?

MEN HAVE TO AWAKEN THEMSELVES.MOST OF GROOMS ARE IGNORANT OF THESE LAWS AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE.

IF, THEY KNOW THESE LAWS THEY WILL NEVER MARRY AGAIN.

THE SOCIETY IS ON THE VERGE OF GETTING RUINED BY THE LAWS INITIATED BY THESE WOMEN ORGANIZATIONS.

Righta

Please cut the crap of decentralization et al.
Why so much problem? You anyway have washed your hands of all responsibilties..so?

On a lighter note, you guys will get heavy traffic on your site all the more. The largest [EDITED] group in India---opps sorry the largest decentralised group in India.

And yes let our DV bill be a dud or looser or a killer. happy :) It is ours, we worked for it , let it be as it is.

The mere introduction of it has given criminals sleepless in nights for 2 days. This is more than enough.

Get going man!!! Dont just sit there do something :):):):)

(btw, thank you so much for this time not giving an explanation of why you so arrogantly dismissed at another thread our existence. Remember how pompous you were!!We had to wait for the right time , right place to come around. Tell your boss to take some tips from us. Like the lion who gauges, makes a desicion , plans silently and attacks)

But again it is that same pompous nature that it makes you call it a dud huh. Wait for sometime, a practical example will come soon.

This law can be used by every women. Why are you all harping on only marriage. (got it , is it one more law to keep a vigil...)

Even your famous pregnant sisters and mothers can use it. Your daughters can use it too.

For such a long time you all were asking "what about our sisters and mothers who get no justice etc etc'

DONT WORRY.

We did your work also. Even they are welcome to use the law whenever they are victims. Instead of thanking us....goodness.

Now we ask you all to do only one thing. Behave

Behaved.. (thinking to myself .... latoan ka bhooth baathon se nahin maantha).

Neha :), u need [EDITED](go google it and find out what)

Righta

Oh my God your comment was deleted. Is this the 1000th time it has happened.

Look at the aggressive and violent language you have used.

Ladies and Gentlemen...here is how DV Act is so necessary

Sakshi...great article.
Once again DC moderators....you are all awesome.

Well you know what I have lots of ground work to do and are next project is already on the way. You guys keep yourself entertained on the internet...after all this is the only space where you all can confront us thanks to the imposition of the bail conditions you cannot come near our houses :)

(Btw...you are more than welcome to come on our site and say what you have to say baba.
)

Yes agreed Anamika is indeed a woman of import, so can v discuss DV now :)(the editing was needed, I think, since the word is pertains to a contraband substance in the US and hence DC editors found it safe to edit it, anyway I used 'it' in a lighter vein- sorry Anamika/Neha I won't engage in a personal fight with u, u can call up from US the guy u have falsel implicated, at the middle of the night, and continue what u r doing :). Thats what u deserve, so be it

What??

Explanantions galore...

Neha and me are 2 different entities. Once again the pompous attitude. Ignorance is bliss.
(let me tell you a little secret, we do not follow mulitple iDs system to rake our numbers)


Most people who run from their responsibilites and stay alone and die alone. That is what you deserve. Bagoda

Poor souls, hosh kho baitey hai. Sadma se nikalne mein thoda waqt lagega. Paaglapan bhi ho sakta hai!!

Forgive them coz they do'nt know what thay say or do.

It is shock, a major shock . I hope God gives these poor [EDITED - NO LEGAL INFERENCES CAN BE DRAWN] some forgiveness becuuse bad times lie ahead...difficult times.

Once again an informative straight article is ruined with personal attacks and cries of the wolves. What is the predicament of the situation? Why is that some males are so timorous every time a bill is passed in favour of women. Big deal!!

From the tirades of you all, it gives an outsider like me (who is happily married with 3 kids) the impression that men like the above commentators are here to create some kind of hullabaloo only to gain sympathy . The wining just does not stop. From one thread to another thread, it has been going on since the past fucking 6 months now. What the fuck men--grow UP. The S*F morons who seem to have major psychosomatic disorders , suffer from misogynosis , have blind hatred towards women and have dillusions of being victims, holler on each and every thread whenever the word women and her rights are mentioned. Go see a shrink man to take care of your insecurities.

This is a free country and you all men who claim to be victims of the law can have another bill passed or work on it or do something for yourselves. You all are educated -do something rather than creating a rumpus and crying non stop. It really makes me feel suspicions of your wolf-wolf cry whether it is fake or real. What the fuck men, the ranting just does not seem to stop.

Several women are raped everyday by the second, I do not see them going on a rampage on the internet. They deal with it and seek help from appropriate places.

Hats off to the women who have accomplished this and now gloating over their act. I read a comment where someone pointed out, that sitting on the internet and cheaply attacking the author of this post with adjectives like Supranakas and witches really shows the ******* of these men's balls. How bloody unmanly!

I do not see anything wrong with the contents of the act. There are enough officers appointed who are going to do some research and then apply the sections accordingly. It will not be as easy as it seems or is being made out to be.

1)Daughters are forced into marriages in rural areas and education is stopped or not given at all.
2)They are abused because they are taken as a burden by their rural/village fathers , brothers and mothers.
3) Where the women who is a raped is ordered to marry her rapist

There is nothing wrong with the those village/rural men , they are not wrong, they do not even realize they do wrong. It is the CULTURE. And since the culture cannot be changed and we have failed to change in the past 60years, it is best to incorporate these laws that will instill fear and thus stop the abuse.

Hopefully the next generation of daughters from the villages/rural areas will be better off.

Get a life you men, you put the rest of us in ignominy.

law and abuse of the law coexist everywhere: in progressive socities the abuse is kept under leash through effective law enforcement

NGOs fear new Act will break families
Vibha Sharma
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, October 26
On the day the government began its crackdown against domestic violence through a brand new Act in the country, several non-government agencies working in the area have voiced concern that the new law might become instrumental in "breaking families" and being misused for "economic blackmail of men".

Terming the new law to make home safe place for women a Divali gift for women, Minister for Woman and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury is upbeat about this new law. But even she cannot help but admit that there is a possibility of it being misused, assuring that all efforts will be made to sensitise officials concerned to ensure that this doesn't happen.

The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005, which came into effect from today, provides protection to wife or female live-in partner from the husband or male live-in partner and also his relatives.

The new law provides an all-encompassing definition of physical violence, stating that domestic violence under the Act included actual abuse or the threat of abuse whether physical, sexual, verbal, emotional or economic.

Harassment by way of unlawful dowry demands to the woman or her relatives will also be covered under the notification. And if a man commits any kind of violence or even insults his wife, he can land in jail with a fine up to Rs 20,000.

However, the law that has not drawn equally positive response from several quarters. Welcoming the law a step in the right direction, Save Indian Family Foundation member Abdul Wajid says it will take more than a law to change perceptions against domestic violence.

"There are problems in every household, but now situations are likely to arise when even after a minor tiff wife might decide to teach her husband a lesson....In this way the Act will only end up destroying families. The Indian joint family has certain framework with a family head, who everyone should respect and obey so the family stays together.. Moreover, it is also a fact that less than 10 per cent of the women who are actual victims of physical or emotional abuse step out of their homes and seek help. Real victims will not even be able to take advantage of the Act as most of them are illiterate and unaware of the law or the police."

Crime Against Man Cell president K.P. Chugh, a Supreme Court lawyer, fears that like Section 498 of the IPC, the new Act might also end up becoming one more way for women to harass men and their families.

" There are 1001 reasons for family discord. Ask any policeman working in the Crime Against Women cell and he will tell you how existing dowry laws are being misused. While real victims are hardly ever able to find justice, dowry laws are blatantly misused as tools of harassment and legal extortion," he says.

Advocate for NGO Shaktivahini Kamal Pandey adds that fate of majority of social legislations shows that implementation of such laws is usually a long delayed process.

"It is a step in the right direction. But I do not see any perceptible change in women's status overnight. Most of the social legislations are never implemented properly... It will take at least a decade before things change and that too provided the government puts proper machinery in place and the implementation agencies like police and women are made adequately aware of the Act," he said.

On its part, the government says that necessary administrative arrangements will immediately be put in place in all states and union territories for the commencement of the Act.

Santosh Kapadia,
Do you think Ms. Geetha Lathur, Ms. Pinky Anand ..like that a lot are there are Male?
Request to stop this agenda men vs women.

As per me this is not a LAW at all , because in a LAW , the procedure are there to check who is wrong and who is right.
This Act like a extrotion, the way does by Underworld Don, just threat and demand the money or property.

Domestic violence to be considered is a "crime" , and punishment should be who ever does it , but if you would like to say , women does not do the domestic violence , i will be happy to know that , but why women's are afrid to include them also... this act does not include the violence against women by another women.. would you please explin why?

Anamika and Neha,Congratulation for your sucess of getting a extrotion tools in the form of DV act( this not a LAW , this is weapen like AK47 , and the same available without any lincence in India) request to make the awareness this Act , the way AIDS control doen in News Media.Let every one know this LAW.

Let this act reach to each and every home.
Please ask your NCW and thier sister terrorist orginasation to spread the same in all News channel in ever 30 mins.

Why suddenly.. all stop !!!!!

UN: Women face greatest threat of violence at home

Violence against women by their live-in spouses or partners is a widespread phenomenon, both in the developed and developing world, as well as in rural and urban areas, the most comprehensive and scientific international study on the topic has confirmed.

In interviews with nearly 25,000 women at 15 sites in 10 countries, researchers from the World Health Organization found that rates of partner violence ranged from a low of 15%in Yokohama, Japan, to a high of 71%in rural Ethiopia.

At six of the sites, at least 50%of women said that they had been subjected to moderate or severe violence in the home at some point. At 13 sites, more than a quarter of all women said they had suffered such violence in the past year.

"Violence by an intimate partner is a common experience worldwide," the authors wrote of the findings, which are being published today in The Lancet, a medical journal in London. "In all but one setting, women were at far greater risk of physical or sexual violence by a partner than from violence by other people."

The report says that rural areas tend to have higher rates of abuse than cities. But no area was immune.

While researchers and women's groups have long known that domestic violence was widespread and other, smaller surveys have supported that notion the WHO study adds an important dimension to the topic because it provides an unusual amount of quantitative, scientific data on the subject.

Previous studies had focused mostly on developed countries, indeed mostly on the United States, said Claudia García-Moreno, a researcher with the WHO in Geneva who coordinated the study.

Because of a lack of scientific data on the magnitude of such violence, particularly in poorer countries, "there had been a lot of skepticism about whether it was a serious problem" or just a pet peeve of the women's groups, Dr García-Moreno said.

Most partner abuse is hidden, and only a tiny fraction is reported to the authorities.

So Temporal seth, where do u think India stand Progressive, Progressed, Regressive, Regressed?.

My view is only that, just like misuse of 498a, DV is also a prime candidate for misuse(when even pro-DV advocates/activists say that its a loosely framed ACT). In India not many genuinely exercise their rights(they are afraid of courts and other judicial processes- since they have been taught/conditioned that courts and police are "bad" and there is a perceived stigma in involving with/approaching them!), whereas abuse of rights/Acts are rampant(money minded people will be the first one to Tap the avenues made for genuinely disadvantaged people). The same way how 498a is not used by a lot of genuinely harassed wives, even after we advice them to use it at least to get their property back through 'out of the court' settlements(this is a major reason why many girls use 498a, to at least get back their property/gold and get a divorce from an unyielding husband, if not just for ego gratification!). Similar things can happen with DV too, the "advocatus diaboli" will show us how well DV could be misused in the coming days, its going to be easy in conjunction with the ever willing corrupt police and judiciary of India.

So this is to emphasise that no one here can probably be against recourse to rights when its genuinely applicable. I am only wondering how the administrators of a 100 crore plus nation can make such a loosely framed law after apparently considering its for 15 years!!!(someone here says that the Act/Bill was in consideration from 1990s!). They should not be enacting laws which even fails the tests of logic & common sense.

NGOs fear new Act will break families
Vibha Sharma
Tribune News Service(http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20061027/nation.htm#3)

New Delhi, October 26
On the day the government began its crackdown against domestic violence through a brand new Act in the country, several non-government agencies working in the area have voiced concern that the new law might become instrumental in "breaking families" and being misused for "economic blackmail of men".

Terming the new law to make home safe place for women a Divali gift for women, Minister for Woman and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury is upbeat about this new law. But even she cannot help but admit that there is a possibility of it being misused, assuring that all efforts will be made to sensitise officials concerned to ensure that this doesn't happen.

The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005, which came into effect from today, provides protection to wife or female live-in partner from the husband or male live-in partner and also his relatives.

The new law provides an all-encompassing definition of physical violence, stating that domestic violence under the Act included actual abuse or the threat of abuse whether physical, sexual, verbal, emotional or economic.

Harassment by way of unlawful dowry demands to the woman or her relatives will also be covered under the notification. And if a man commits any kind of violence or even insults his wife, he can land in jail with a fine up to Rs 20,000.

However, the law that has not drawn equally positive response from several quarters. Welcoming the law a step in the right direction, Save Indian Family Foundation member Abdul Wajid says it will take more than a law to change perceptions against domestic violence.

"There are problems in every household, but now situations are likely to arise when even after a minor tiff wife might decide to teach her husband a lesson....In this way the Act will only end up destroying families. The Indian joint family has certain framework with a family head, who everyone should respect and obey so the family stays together.. Moreover, it is also a fact that less than 10 per cent of the women who are actual victims of physical or emotional abuse step out of their homes and seek help. Real victims will not even be able to take advantage of the Act as most of them are illiterate and unaware of the law or the police."

Crime Against Man Cell president K.P. Chugh, a Supreme Court lawyer, fears that like Section 498 of the IPC, the new Act might also end up becoming one more way for women to harass men and their families.

" There are 1001 reasons for family discord. Ask any policeman working in the Crime Against Women cell and he will tell you how existing dowry laws are being misused. While real victims are hardly ever able to find justice, dowry laws are blatantly misused as tools of harassment and legal extortion," he says.

Advocate for NGO Shaktivahini Kamal Pandey adds that fate of majority of social legislations shows that implementation of such laws is usually a long delayed process.

"It is a step in the right direction. But I do not see any perceptible change in women's status overnight. Most of the social legislations are never implemented properly... It will take at least a decade before things change and that too provided the government puts proper machinery in place and the implementation agencies like police and women are made adequately aware of the Act," he said.

On its part, the government says that necessary administrative arrangements will immediately be put in place in all states and union territories for the commencement

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20061027/nation.htm#3

The article below also will give all of u a better perspective:

"Laws against domestic violence -Underused or Abused? "
Madhu Kishwar

http://www.indiatogether.org/manushi/issue120/domestic.htm

Written by Ms. Madhu Kiswar, and for kind information, she is not a male my dear !!!

Instrument of Blackmail?

Sadly, there are also any number of cases coming to light where Section 498A has been used mainly as an instrument of blackmail. It lends itself to easy misuse as a tool for wreaking vengeance on entire families, because, under this section, it is available to the police to arrest anyone a married woman names as a tormentor in her complaint, as "cruelty" in marriage has been made a non-bailable offence. Thereafter, bail in such cases has been denied as a basic right.

Many allege that such a drastic paradigm shift has lent itself to gross abuse, because arresting and putting a person in jail, even before the trial has begun, amounts to pre-judging and punishing the accused without due process. Although a preliminary investigation is required after the registration of the F.I.R, in practice such complaints are registered, whether the charges are proved valid or not, and arrest warrants issued, without determining whether the concerned family is actually abusive, or they have been falsely implicated. For example, there are any number of cases where the problem is mutual maladjustment of the couple rather than abuse by the entire joint family. However, a host of relatives, including elderly parents, who are not necessarily the cause of maladjustment, have all been arrested and put in jail for varying lengths of time before the trial begins. Lawyers have cited several cases where judges have refused bail unless the accused family deposits a certain sum of money in the complainant's name as a precondition to the grant of bail.

Some act..and win
Some react.. poorly

"Most partner abuse is hidden, and only a tiny fraction is reported to the authorities."

My dear frined reporter with reference to your own article one sided ( where the crime against men had not reported at all, any way no problem , the real stastics are available in internate both crime agisnt men as well as crime agaisnt women for comparision),

- On your view , please use the word "Partner" in the LAW itself.

Why you are so afrid to do the same in Domestic violence LAW.

Stop this men vs women gender war, ask your DON to use the word "Partner", so all the problem will be solved ... are you ready ???

CNN report

NEW DELHI, India (Reuters) -- Women in India will for the first time be given protection and compensation from abuse endured in their own homes under a new law which comes into force on Thursday.

The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 will recognize all forms of abuse against women in the home, including physical, sexual, verbal, emotional or economic abuse.

A senior official in the ministry of women and child development said the new law meant that marital rape could now be an offence. Previously, husbands could not be prosecuted for raping their wives, unless she was under 15 years old.

Officials say the new law focuses on empowering victims by giving them rights over their abuser's assets, rather than just penalizing offenders.

"It's going to orient women to stand up for their own rights and take the necessary precautions to empower themselves," Renuka Chowdhury, minister of women and child development, said.

According to the National Crime Records Bureau, there were 155,553 crimes committed against women last year -- 68,810 of which were considered to be domestic violence such as dowry deaths and cruelty by husbands and family.

But women's groups say the real figure could be ten times more as many cases go unreported with victims unwilling to speak out, fearing the shame (actual) and stigma associated with being a divorced or separated woman in traditional Indian society.

In addition, many women are financially dependent on their abusers and have nowhere to go if they complain to police about being mistreated, they say.

Officials say the new law will change this by providing for a share of the abuser's property and salary as well as medical damages for physical abuse and in certain cases, he will also have to cover the victim's legal costs.

The law also provides for the appointment of protection officers and private service-providers to help abused women get medical and legal aid and a safe place to stay.

But the most empowering clause relates to the women's right to residence in shared households where the law will protect the rights of victims to secure a house or live in her married home.

Despite some of the most powerful figures in India's political history being women, such as former Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and her daughter-in-law, Sonia Gandhi, who is president of governing Congress-led coalition, the country remains patriarchal.

According to the ministry of home affairs, a crime is committed against a woman in India every three minutes.

The most common reported form of domestic violence is dowry-related, where women are abused and beaten and even killed by their in-laws for not bestowing enough gifts or money to their husbands' families at the time of marriage.

Many die in infamous "stove burnings" in which in-laws set them ablaze and then say it was a kitchen accident.

Women's rights campaigners welcomed the law, which is not only applicable to married women, but also to those in live-in relationships as well as women who are sisters, widows, mothers and single women.

"This bill will provide them with a safeguard and a sort of sword in their hand so that now they are no more a thing, no more an animal and no more a shoe that you can wear any time and throw it any time," said Girija Vyas, chairwoman of the National Commission for Women.

Dear reporter friend, why your NCW want to hide the stastices of Crime against men and Husband killing stastics .. as it is 3 times higher than wives?
Why you want to safe gurd to all those husabnds killer of our society?

According to the National Crime Records Bureau and WHO reports , dear frined just check the stastics , you will find the actul data.
After marriage the Husbands are getting killed 3 times higher than wives, but some pople want to hide the same , do not know why!!!

Why shud NCW provide male statistics? It is not our job. We did our job for ourselves. Everyone has to do their own job. Why are you at our mercy that when NCW will glance at your existence.

Everything women will do for you or what. Learn to stand on your own feet.

You make NCM, GO. Do something constructive.

Divorce rate in india, increased after implementation of Dowry Prohibition Act (IPC 498A) and now after Domestic Violence Act, this will increase 50%, soon there will be more divorcees than married couple, and single parents.

The Act covers women, be they wives,live-in partners, sisters, mothers, mothers-in-law or any other woman relation. Also it says the law covers Any other verbal or emotional abuse.

So far women misused dowry law against husband and his family only,now any women can charge men without any proofs for their complaints.

Our government instead making correction in already widely misused law of IPC 498A, they give another tool to harass men.Result of this,
Indian men will not marry,Indian women.
There will be more one night stand.
Rapes will increase,when men are denied sex at home lawfully.
Men will take law in thier hand when they falsely accused with DV Act and when they did not get justice.
Husband sister or Mother will sue borthers/Sons Father in law,when her brother/Son falsely accused with dowry and DV Act.

It will ruin marriage and Indian Family System only.
wife will sue husband/her Father/Brother in laws, when is not able to adjust to husband family,her one word is enought to arrest all male members of husband Family.
she do not want any proofs and there is no clause to justify how husabnd insulting her or calling her with names.Law will totally fail on this matter.
All Indian women want to make men to be eunuchs, and soon indian will be Land of eunuchs.
Men will Affraid to stay/Marry Indian women,it will give raise in Homos and lesbians.
Men and women endup in One night Stand and there will be bastered kids all over India.
There will be AIDS all over India.

When eunuchs make laws, india will be Doomed, thats the Future i forsee for India

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MyNation

Be aready for the future of India, as AK 47 allready arrived in India in the form of DV Act. This is the news from a so colled developed country, be ready for India also.

23 girls brawl over handsome boy

Bulgaria: Police were called in Bulgaria after a mass fight broke out between 23 teenage girls over a handsome male student.

The girls, aged between 15 and 18, used brass knuckles, chains and beer bottles to fight over the lad whose name was not revealed.

The girls, from the Bulgarian capital Sofia, agreed to fight it out and skipped school to meet up in a local playground in the Gorublyane district of the city.

Several girls suffered minor injuries and dozens of passers-by reportedly witnessed the incident.

Winny Pooooooooooj...., go spread the good news of DV in India, then come back and tell us what happened, in about 1 year.

"Why shud NCW provide male statistics? It is not our job."
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So my dear Reporter friend , good , very good answer... will your "DON" agree to say this oepenly in all News Media???

Ohhh , I forget ....NCW have the whole sale free lincence to hide the stastics to do the Legal terrorism in India.
We got your answer .. tell this openly in all media.. ask your " DON".

By the way, NCW is a goverment recornised orginasation and as per Right to Information act , any one have the right to ask the same.
Other reporter friends can go through the link attached , the stastics and graph for both available men as well as women.

Its like giving a dagger to the killer and asking him to kill leagally in front of everyone knowningly.
It was a pitiable situation that such new sections and laws come up day by day in the society, giving less chances for the families to
continue in peace.....

I hate this DV LAW in the present form , as this LAW will kill the innocent family people.

SOLUTION FOR DV ACT.

Wanted live in Maid / Servant or Slave.

1). Should be women
2). Should be virgin.
3). Age should be 18+
4). Medically fit.
5). Should not had any Boy Friends
6). Should not have any police record.
7). Should be slim, tall and fair.
8). Should be well verse in all house hold things.
9). Should be Polite and humble.
10) Should be resourceful and willing to learn things.
11) She should allow owner to have sex. (beastality not included)
12) She should have children for her Owner.
13) She should respect owner all family members.
14) If her any givin Information found wrong, contract is terminated without notice and all givin assets seized and charged her with Fraud.
15) She should accompany with Owner for Functions and festivals.
16) She should not have sex other than Owner



Incentives.

1) She will be treated well and Respected.
2) Provided same food as owner
3) Medical bills paid.
4) Allowed to meet her relatives once a week.
5) Allowed to stay with her Family once a month. Or on Festivals and ceremonies.
6) Allowed own her own property and bank account.
7) Enough gold is givin to keep with her and use it.
8) She is allowed have Orgasm.
9) Allowed to go out, with permission.
10) Allowed to sleep till 6AM (Time Varies)
11) Allowed to watch TV and Movies.
12) Allowed to comment and give Advice.
13) Food/Cloths/Shelter Provided or paid in Cash if she want instead.
14) She will get pocket money.
15) Owner will help her in some house Hold things and Raising kids.

FOR:
MyNation

Well, B_right has given a lengthy format of what is being wanted from women. But then what about men in a marriage?? He is totally taken for granted. He is expected to don the dubious role of the provider and to go out of his own home early in the morning to slave, slog, compete,work and grovel so that he can earn enough to provide a house, safety, security , food,luxury for his wife.
He is made to return back late at night, tired and exhausted so that he can not even enjoy what he has earned and it is his wife who reaps the benifits of what ever he does!!!!
And he is made to feel that he has done a greatjob and that he should be proud of it. After all, what is he getting out of the marriage?? Why should he he enter the institution of marriage at all. And now the DV ACT!!He can be hauled up any moment at the filmiest of reasons and jailed.
IT IS TIME MEN STARTED TO WAKE UP, START TAKING STOCK AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THEM, START REACTING, START THINKING.
IT IS TIME FOR THE MALE BACK LASH.

Well, Ajay has hit the bulls eye. It time for men to start thinking, analysing, reacting, rejecting and shedding age old behavour modes imposed on him.His non-chalance towards these issues have today led to the introduction of the D.V.Act which is totally ANTI-MALE.
It is time for men to shrug off their ignorance and begin questionig as to what are they getting from the institution of marriage anyway, under the present circumstances and whether at all he should enter into such a distorted institution.

It is absolutely true that while today women are taught to think that they are made to slave in the marital home if they have to do the house hold work, they expect the man they marry to nonchalantly go out of his own home FOR THE ENTIRE the day, to slave and slog and earn and sacrifice the last penny of his hard earned income for satisfying the greed of his wife.
But then men are not taught to evaluate it as their slavery nor do women's organisations deem it so. They expect men to mutely go through the rigours of life and to be tremendously satisfied about it.
It is time for the male lash back.The D.V.Act will spell more misery for the Indian man. He will be totally taken for granted,made to slave for his wife and if he refuses, he will be jailed.
IT IS TIME FOR ALL MEN TO UNITE AND TO QUESTION THE TRADITIONAL ROLE MODELS THAT ARE IMPOSED ON HIM. IT IS TIME HE STARTS QUESTIONIONG THE INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE AND WHAT IT MAKES OUT IOF HIM AND FORCES HIM TO DO. IT IS TIME FOR HIM TO PONDER WHETHER HE SHOULD AT ALL ENTER INTO THE INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE OR SIMPLY REJECT IT SINCE IT HAS BECOME REDUNDANT AS FAR AS THE INDIAN MALE IS CONCERNED..

I am amazed yet again that male posters are hysterical about the collapse of the institution of marriage simply because women now have a legal tool to protest being beaten up, raped, abused or restricted. For the man who created that ad for a slave - you missed out a few things: requirements for that "married" slave according to the male posters include: her willingness to suffer in silence the punches and slaps she receives, determination to be raped constantly at the whim of her husband/master, her ability to work, study, move about curtailed. She has to possess the added benefit of then teaching her daughter to possess the same "qualities." In return, the institution of marriage shall be SAFE. Oh, lets not forget that if a brother beats up his sister,that is also okay. If a father rapes his daughter, that is also okay. All because FAMILY takes precedence over everything. Are you surprised then that women worked so hard for this act.
I am also intrigued by the silence of the usual DC liberal, peaceniks who go hoarse defending Islam, Pakistan, freedom of speech and criticizing the state of the nation. I guess women rights don't merit a "liberal" statement?
Sorely disappointed - Sujai, Mayank et al.

So the gender war started??

New Delhi, Oct. 26: A male backlash against the domestic violence act has begun even before the first man has been booked under the new law.

Save the Indian Family -- a foundation of non-government organisations -- today launched its campaign against the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act in earnest.

"This is nothing but terrorist activity by women's organisations," said Swarup Sarkar, a member of the foundation, which has also been protesting against the anti-dowry law saying it is heavily misused.

"I do not know how many Bhagat Singhs, Jatin Dases and Netajis will be born to stop this legal terrorism," Sarkar said.

From today, all forms of violence at home -- sexual, physical, verbal or economical -- will be punishable under the law. The act, which brings marital rape into the ambit of domestic violence for the first time, ensures protection to not just the wife, but all women sharing a home with a man.

Sachit Dalal, who shares Sarkar's scorn for such laws, has sent a message to the President, Prime Minister, members of Parliament and activists declaring that marriage has been "crucified".

"Finally the women of India have successfully crucified the sacred institution of marriage. When IPC 498 A (anti-dowry law) was not enough to satisfy the modern sadists (women), they introduced the domestic violence bill in order to loot the husband and the family legally," Dalal said.

The domestic violence bill was drawn up amid howls of protest from organisations like Save the Indian Family. Women spearheading the bill were labelled "modern Surpanakhas" and there was a constant barrage of attacks against the law posted on the Internet.

"I have also received such material," said Jyotsna Chatterjee of the Joint Women's Programme, which has been actively involved in drawing up the bill.

Welcoming the legislation, Chatterjee said: "Some people could have experienced the misuse of the anti-dowry law. But how much more have the women suffered?"

She pointed out that "recent studies have shown there has been no change in the way society perceives women. They still remain second-grade citizens".

For Sarkar, Dalal and the cheerleaders of Save the Indian Family, the domestic violence act spells disaster for Indian women, many of whom do not earn and are not educated. They feel the law would lead to a spurt in divorce cases, and these women would be left in the lurch.

Their ire is not just directed at women, though. The men who "yield" to women in their family "deserve" what they get because they are "immature and bloody fools", they say. On the list of "foolish things" are purchasing a house jointly with the wife to "save tax" and buying a car in the wife's name to "please her".

"So Indian men, get up and be prepared to go to jail," Sarkar said.

A study conducted by the Centre for Women's Development Studies in 2002 revealed that 45 per cent of Indian women are slapped, kicked and beaten by their husbands and 50 per cent are kicked and beaten during pregnancy. India has the highest rate of violence during pregnancy.

Among women facing domestic violence, 74.8 per cent had wanted to commit suicide.

But the statistics fail to move Dalal. He says the domestic violence act is worse than the anti-dowry law as it "gives ridiculous rights to women to loot their husbands and in-laws. Women call it gender equality. Some women are bold enough to blurt out that now it is the men's turn to suffer."

Ajay;[comment 87] Men / Male / Owner will posess same qualities asked from Women.

And she will get all Incentives as said;

Still she goes to police and file False case with the support of 498A and DV,

Is there any protection for men...?

coz no one is there to justify women word, her lies. how law will findout truth is she telling Truth.

Victims AutobioGraphy

Anamika, hope you have to undersand the difference between a LAW and a AK47 without lincence.
This is not a LAW , this is a AK47 without lincence.
Still you have not answered, what is the problem to replace the word men/women to "partner".
Who ever do the domestice violence will get the punishment.
If you are confident women do not do the domestic violence , they will not be punished , if you agree this is a LAW , not a AK47.

The gender war has started. D.V. was not aimed at protecting women but is more of a reaction by feminists against the male back lash . They are feeling threatened at men raising their voices against the growing victimisation of men by women in the modern marriage and men challenging feminist concept. Hence this move by women's organisation is to muzzle men.

It is time woke up from their stupour. Marriage has become a useless institution as far men are concerned.We men are economically independent.So why marry and sacrifice our hard earned money to support women and be damned for that?? It is time to take a hard look at the reality.

Wisher is right.Most men are economically independent. So why not live your own life, spend all your money on yourself and be free and independent. Why should men marry at all and run the risk of being arrested and brutalised at the whims of the woman he is marrying.

Marriage has lost it's relevance

If there is no marriage, there is no D.V. iT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. It is time women learn to fend for themselves and stop depending on men and make them slaves for women and introduce laws for the physical and economic exploitation of men.

It is time men started smelling the coffee. It is time to take a hard look at the institution of marriage and chuck it in the Indian ocean and live a free life.After all you do not depend on women.
It is women who will suffer more if the institution of marriage goes to the docks. That is why they are introducing laws to force men to provide for them even if they are mentally cruel to him.

Some of the men have totally disgraced themselves.

Ranting and ranting and no onus of responsibility.
I personally know when men leave their wives and children because their demands have not been met.

The some of the above commentators sounds like the most idiotic lot and with every comment they are loosing their dignity and putting foward their scorn distastefully.

I couldn't believe when I read so many men writing about marriage and women with such contempt.

We, in India, haven't emancipated our women, and already we are here ready to denounce the liberation of women.

Educated and urban men (who write on these blogs) should understand that it is very different for most rural and semi-urban Indian women. They have not seen their emancipation as yet. They have not found their dignity as yet. Abuse, domestic violence, degradation is extremely common and they are nowhere close to getting their share of dignity. Few and meager examples where men get harassed should be seen as exceptions, not the norm.

This law should be welcomed by both men and women. Of course, there will always be some cases of misuse. That's no good excuse for shunning the law. We have come long way from burning our widows. But we haven't come far enough. We are still very far away from granting equal dignity to women in this country. And seeing some of the responses on this blog, I feel that we are eroding even those half-grown values.

Men are being selfish. Very selfish. They are looking at their own cosy little world and want to protect it. They are not bothered about so many women in this country who take birth and die not knowing what it means to read, see the light of knowledge, know what it means to desire, make choices, and take independent decisions that affect her and her life. We have lost many Marie Curies and many Jane Austens.

William Shakespeare mentioned in one of his epic
"JELOUSY AND CHEATING IS THE OTHERSIDE OF A WOMAN "

While almost all news agency is talking about DV act being good and encouraging India to have achieved this milestone, they are completely ignoring the ground facts or may be they are not aware of it. An ordinary look into Indian family will clearly reveal that mothers, sisters, daughters aren't abused nor do they need protection. In some worse case wives used to be abused but that too years ago and today there are more cases of IPC 498A abuse that use of it. Often these bad wives use children as their weapon to harass their husbands and inlaws and in that process children lose the vital part of their life and education. This additional law will only increase the mess and would do no good to children, elders and other women in an Indian family. Media shouldn't be blind to this fact and contribute in raising such issues rather than going with the flow and writing symmetrical reports to gain publicity.

Sujai #101,

Do you think women are benefitting from 498a or DP or Dv act.? i don't think so, basing my intensive research on this for 3 yrs.

It is women orgs and media which brought this hype of dowry killing and suicide of women.

Here are the real statistics"
Men:women is 1:1.1 suicide rates before men get married.
After marriage in 35s/40s men: women 3.4:1. may be this is surprsising for you. you know why this is hidden for decades, power of women orgs and processions all over india.

I agree women are suffering , for that we need social thinkers/social engineers to design laws. Our structure is very sensitive and complex. majority women org mbrs I believe are men hatred because of their personal marital problems. they take rvenge on society this way or for fund-for-selfish reasons. otherwise, funds gets stopped from various international organisations in miilions of they can't produce data or media news back to such organisatins. Lawyers, bad politicinas eveyrone is involved to have such laws in society one sided, coz they are surviving mainly on this. 72% cases in Indian courts are related to these cases only. If I am wrong do your intensive silent research. your research can be extensive, but do it without hate mongering.
you know western life, I see western lifefor last 6 yrs. Its absolutely give and take, and nothing else.

It is absolutely hype that women of india has been suffering from ages. no one is calmly researching this.
If you closely notice with indian city women and western women, you will find that indian women look healthy, shining and colored even in 40s/50s; compare it with same city men, you will reveal yourself secret of life in india. Men are oily/dull/peechy/un shining weak...majority are like as such..with bald head..this is not one generation effect...research into it...

This happens for stress through several generations to feed/provide for fello family members.

Problem is mind less and hurry more men in India are 90%. They are shouting and thinking that they are male dominated. but in reality it is their shouting and posing. These men blindly support and feed family/spouse without any reciprocation back from them. This never happens anywhere part of the world. Only developing nations.

Bringing laws like dvact/dpact/498a with much loops holes to misuse is nothing but, we are dragging this chance from women. these laws scaring men. Educated women are bad and good and same as men. So, laws should be designed carefully and not like this.

"I can't ask my wife her salary to share for me or my children (regardless of whether she can give her money to her parents) , but I must pay rent or give her money for day to day chores, othewise 20,000 Rs or 1 yr jail with non-bail."
Do you thnk how many gentleman start thinking seriously about staying with a wife in controlling environment.?

We are getting globalization, men start thinking seriously and twice about feeding or providing women. Acutally this is the century, wives in India have pamper husbands for the change of mind set; instead these things exponentially cause divroces in the soceity.
I will never leave my son to live with a women who controls him and gets him depressed mentally or physically. I dont want any inch of his bone to get reduced. When I thnk this much about my son, do you think I can marry with such laws and knowing reality of generation of men faces/physical structure...

These laws breaking the foundations of marriage. If women are abused at home and fresh wounds exists on the body, that is called domestic violence and laws should be designed as such.
what are these bloody things that women after coming to parental home and 1 yr later filing non-bailing 498a seciton on husbands. 98% of cases are acquitted in 498a though judges in india are far women biased just like blind media.

Men come of marriage in India, it is dangerous task for him, but for women it is finger tip. Is this human rights? If one knows his wife is adultery women, he has to think 10 times before leaving her and to go for mahabhart yudh preparation of 498a. And you call this a law.

Definition of a law from webster or oxford should be fair and free for the society. where is fairness here? why women are seen differently in society with vedic age look as laxmi or sita, when they are really not in urban india.

4 out of 6 girls you meet on the road in cities know about dance clubs and they are same or faster than boys and how do you think, I can let my son to be in their hands with these weapons. I dare to send my son to live with one such spouse, provided if both have fairness towards law. If he is cheated, he comes out of her or she should. But it costs 5 to 8 yrs on avg. to come out of courts to resolve a marital conflict. I say average.

I know many women who couldnt cope with husband family, could never cope with her own brothers wives at parental home and came out of 2 or 3 more such marriages later. What ever may be the problem after marriage, men and his family is blidnly accused.

tell me how many cases when a women die at husband family is not arrested? may be 5%. Police runningly catch, in-laws running file complaint to gain lumpsump from son-in-law to take advantage from own dauthers natural death.

this seems un real but these are 100% reall and happenings as usually in urband india.

I say at the end -- there is no MEN or no WOMEn. Only lies is good and bad. But bad ppl are acausing all problems.

1) SUICIDE RATE BEFORE MARRIAGE IN INDIA MEN:WOMEN 1:1.1 , AFTER MARRIAGE IN 30s/40s 3.4:1. 3.2 TIMES MEN DIE. IT INCREASING FURTHER
AFTER 50S AND 60S

2) ALL INDIAN STATISTICS FROM ALL AGENCY IS GOING BY police FIRs AND NOT BY COURT CONVICTIONS FROM 2 DECADES. FROM COURT IT IS 8% OUT OF THEM. IT IS A SURPRISE!! BCOZ NONE RESEARCHED.

3) 68% OF THESE FIRs ARE (44,000/YR) ARE RELATED TO MISUSE 498A.

4)MEDIA HYPE IN INDIA ABOUT BIASING WOMEN ON THIS FOR LAST 2 DECADES MADE TO THINK PPL(PARTICULARY YOUNG WOMEN) LIKE THIS, AND NO ONE IS INVESTIGATING THE REALITY.

5) ELDER ABUSE IN INDIA IS THE 4TH LARGEST IN THE WORLD

6) EVERY 3RD FAMILY HUSBAND IN URBAN INDIA IS SILENTLY SUFFERING REGARDLESS OF GOVT SERVANT OR PRIVATE

7) 498A IS FILED FOR MENTAL HARRASSMENT IN 92% CASES. REMAINING DOWRY DEMAND REASONS. NO FRESH WOUNDS ON THE BODY AT ALL, AND THESE 92%
STATISTICS FIRs PARTICIPATE IN JUDGING CRIME AGAINST WOMEN IN INDIA LARGELY

8) MEN ARE DYING AND GETTING PEECHY/WEAK/DEPRESSION DUE TO HEAVY BURDEN FROM HOME AND OUTSIDE AND NO ONE CARES AND BOTHERS

9)DIABESTES RATES FOR INDIAN MEN IN 40s IS ONE LARGEST IN THE WORLD

10) 7000 WOMEN DIE BY SUICIDE EVERY YR, BUT 22000 MEN DIE BY SUICIDE, WHY THESE STATISTICS ARE HIDDEN STATING OTHER REASONS.

11) INDIA GOT MORE THAN 400 WOMEN ORGS, THIS IS THE MAIN REASON FOR MEDIA HYPE AND SPOILING MINDS OF EVERYONE IN INDIA FOR FUND-FOR-
SELFISH REASONS.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061027/asp/frontpage/story_6923154.asp : "Malevolence for women's law"- Men go to PM against female 'terrorist activity'
MONOBINA GUPTA , The Telegraph, Calcutta

The posters above have just confirmed the need for the DV act. Sujai - thanks for the post, although must say it was lacking the passion that you usually bring to your postings. But we must be grateful for any support forthcoming.
Seems that many posters came up with statistics but have refused to provide the sources for the same. We know that the statistics for crimes against women in India are from UN as well as local authorities. Can you tell me where the data about men is coming from?
Also strange that everyone is focussing on how married women deal with their partners. But the DV bill also covers women who are mistreated by their sons, brothers and fathers. I assume there is no threat there to men?
Black box talks about what he would do for his son. I guess he need not worry about teaching his daughter the basic idea of gender equality.
Oh - guys who are screaming blue murder about getting married - research from various developed and under developed countries shows a simple fact: marriage cuts down the longevity of women while prolonging that of men. So for all the screaming about money, YOU get married because you live longer while you are married and have women to take care of you. On the other hand, all data shows, marriage is a poor life style choice for women - life indicators, economic indicators, psychological wellbeing included. So stop screaming and be grateful!

Here is the data you asked for:
suicide stats

For FIR and 498a conviction rate; pls. see or ask any lawyer in India, whether conviction rate is 2% or not in the last 10 yrs. Meanwhile, I search the article. For other info above..pls. research yourself, if one is interested seriously for infrastructure of the country. I will update STATS...

Fundoo; [comment 98]
DV Act Reads as this.....

The Act covers women, be they wives,live-in partners, sisters, mothers, mothers-in-law or any other woman relation. Also it says the law covers Any other verbal or emotional abuse.

Read this Act in Detail here
Domestic Violence ActBefore you write something.

Sujai #101

If rural women and semi urbal women are harassed, go and tell them there is law against harassment;

We are not against using law against men who harass thier women.

but make sure modern / urban women not misuse 498A or Dv law.

do you think 498A served its purpose and wisely used...?

NO.

As per study it says 98% complaints are false.

then what about 98% Victim men, is there any punishment those legal Terrorist...? Instead government is giving another WMD (weapon of men Destruction) in the Hands of women

what is the use..?

Shall we take law into our hand and shoot,these legal Terrorists...when we do not find JUSTICE from Judiciary.

Read, how i harassed by law under 498A, for not taking single paise as dowry for last 7 years,still there is not justice.

If i shot her the day before she filled 498A,Today i would be FREE man. but not with this 498A

BlackBox-Truth #104;

Good writeup; keep it up and keep coming.
but you forgot to mention;

In india 498A can be filed Even before marriage and After divorce.

thats mockery of LAW,or shall we call eunuchs Laws.

For:
MyNation

wonderful...

BlackBox-Truth #104
What you said is absolutely true. Men have to suffer through out their lives but they are taught that it is manly and masculine not to whimper and highlight it. Since his childhood he is taught that he should be stoic and not express his emotional and physical trauma.
In a marriage he is made to go out of his own home early in the morning to slave and slog to earn and provide for his wife and he comes back home late in the evening dog tired even to enjoy the results of his hard labour. It is his wife who benifits . He is made to fight it out in the harsh , grim and ruthless world outside so that his wife can live off him. And in return what he gets is blood pressure,diabeties,tension related disease, stroke. These are diseases which men suffer from predominantly. And why? Because men are made to adopt such life styles.
And on the top of it he is duped into believing from his early childhood that it is his honourable duty and responsibility to do it. He is dumped with the dubious role of the provider, protector and the head of the family and is conditioned to go through the trauma all through his life and feel that he doing a great job!!!
And now, he is at the mercy of his wife who can haul him to jail on the silghtest pretext of emotional abuse, imagined or otherwise.
WHAT ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL HARASSMENT THAT MEN HAVE TO UNDERGO IN THE HANDS OF THEIR WIVES.

Null and void has hit the bulls eye. With changing social concepts and norms, it is essential for men to re-evaluate their roles, responsibilities, role models that are thrust on him. It is time to seriously analyse the institution of marriage and what men are getting out of it in the present context.

Some of the women posters here are accusing men of being irresponsible!!!!
It is totally wierd!!!Men are not supposed to question, protest and analyse just as feminist are and have been doing? If men do it then they are irresponsible! What nonsense!!
If the institution of marriage has been twisted out of shape wherein at the slightest emotional harassment, a wife can have the husband arrested but a husband does not have similar rights, then it is very natural for men to question whather it is ater all advisable to enter into the institution of marriage.
It is natural for men to start seriously pondering as to what he may gain from marriage and what he stands to lose. He has the right to take his own decision and not to go on pretending as to how "responsible" he is.

Today, it is women who have ushered in the concepts of live-together whereby the institution of marriage has been challenged.
So if men start thinking similarly due to such atrocious acts like D.V. wherein he can be booked even on the grounds of the slightest mental harassment by his wife , while he cannot similarly book his wife even if she hurls intense mental and emotional abuse at him, why are women getting so alarmed at the idea of men questioning the institution of marriage and rejecting it if he so feels?

This law has all the potentialities of being tremendously abused by women who can get a man arrested at her slightest whims. If that be so, then why enter into a marriage or a live -together relation wherein he fears that he can be put behind bars any time , any day, any minute.
In view of these circumstances, men have all the right in the world to decide about their lives and avoid marriage or live-in.

1) She will be treated well and Respected.
2) Provided same food as owner
3) Medical bills paid.
4) Allowed to meet her relatives once a week.
5) Allowed to stay with her Family once a month. Or on Festivals and ceremonies.
6) Allowed own her own property and bank account.
7) Enough gold is givin to keep with her and use it.
8) She is allowed have Orgasm.
9) Allowed to go out, with permission.
10) Allowed to sleep till 6AM (Time Varies)
11) Allowed to watch TV and Movies.
12) Allowed to comment and give Advice.
13) Food/Cloths/Shelter Provided or paid in Cash if she want instead.
14) She will get pocket money.
15) Owner will help her in some house Hold things and Raising kids.

As Said ,these incentives if i get i`m ready to do all house hold things as stated in #86.Other than giving birth to a child.

Same i asked my Beloved wife,Bring money or earn as much money i earn and pay all the bills.

But she refused, and said "I`m not your slave to do all house hold things"

Moral of the Story...
Indian women do not want
Peacefull home and Family
Live with husbands parents.
Spend thier Salary on house hold
They do not want to Raise kids and take their responsiblities

They just want to
Control men (Husband)
Husband money and Property.
They want a Puppet Husband who dance to thier Tune

Sunny,$117, I fully agree with you that " why enter into a marriage or a live -together relation wherein he fears that he can be put behind bars any time , any day, any minute".
Why live in fear through out your life when you are economically independent. Why marry at all and get into trouble? Your wife can have extra marital affairs and if you protest, she can have you arrested on the grounds of mental harassment. And if you have an affair, even then she can haul you to the police on the similar charges of mental harassment.You get the picture ?She can abuse you totally and if you react or protest , you go to jail.
SO WHY GET INTO THE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. AVOID MARRIAGE OR A LIVE-IN.



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Marriage has lost it's relevance. Why get into the trouble ? Live your own life, spend all your hard earned money on yourself and enjoy life. And sex?? In the era of free sex that is not a problem.
At least you will not end up behind bars without any rhyme or reason or for no fault of yours.If you marry , you will be terrorised through out your life by your wife that she will lodge a false complain. She can even have sex with her boyfriend in the bed room of your own house in front of your eyes, and later on have you arrested by lodging a false complain to the police, if you want to file for a divorce or protest.
It is time to wake up.

Wishdom is right. Under the current circumstances , marriage needs to be reanalysed.

This law can be abused widely and rampantly by women . Men will be under perinial fear, THROUGH OUT HIS LIFE as he can be booked on the flimsiest of causes and reasons. When you are living with a person, there are quarrels,arguments,differences of opinions with your spouse. In any event your wife can get you behind bars on the grounds of emotional harassment at the flimsiest of reasons, which can not be proved or disproved. It is only the word of the woman and she can break hell on you.
Most men are today not aware of the ramifications of D.V.THERE IS NO OTHER WAY BUT TO ABSTAIN FROM MARRIAGE OR A LIVE IN IF MEN HAVE TO SURVIVE.

Statistics on Domestic Violence in Indian or Western world are same. Both Men and Women get abused equally by their intimate partners. Women are mentally more violent where as men are physically more violent.

In the end, the pain and the deaths due to DV are same for both Genders. As Men are considered disposable by all societies, so there are no provisions for protection for men from their wives, of brothers/fathers of their wives.

I know that BJP delayed this law by 10 years. This law was supposed to come in 1994. In US the equivalent law is known as VAWA.

The law Section 498a dwarfs the newly proposed DV law. So, the DV law can actually allow a guy to buy time as it is not a criminal law. A female will most likely file DV law before filing 498a.

We SIF guys should be happy because DV law will bring 10 times more men and their families to our folds. We will train men to campaign for stopping "protection and providing" for all females. For the first time in the history of Human Kind men will go beyond their evolutionary instinct of "Protecting and Providing" for women and family. Today, Men get a kick out of protecting and providing...

Finally, the Govt and Feminists are on a difficult ground. Indian Laws can only trap an ignorant, foolish husband. But, once the guy knows all the rope tricks, nobody can touch him.

The "recordings of abuse (of husband) by wife" by video cameras and mobile phones by husbands will simply neutralise all the advantages it has for the unscrupulous. So, I feel SIF should welcome this law as it will give us more recruits.

One good thing about Indian laws is, they are equal for rich, poor, politicians, judges, police and IAS guys.

So, already enough numbers of judges, politicians and IAS guys are living under threats of 498a. All these guys are creating massive systemic backlash.

So, this new DV law will take another 5 years to get implemented.

Anamika, if Indian women are suffering from DV and all diseases, then why they are living about 3-years more than an average Indian male?

Please check the stats on all diseases for both Genders?

Please check how many women were ever arrested for driving their husbands to suicide?

Its time, women in India start paying dearly for the game they only started. In US, the women getting jailed on a regular basis for all their misdeeds. Please look at the recent trends. Some beautiful damshels have started spending months and years in Indian Jails.

I think this law comes with, as usual, some good and some bad points...The good thing about this law is that the complainant need not be the 'victim' herself...but I would not like the penalty aspect of being sent to jail and fine of Rs. 20000...it won't help as it break family ties...it would be difficult for husband and wife to live together after that, if the wife stated before the authorities that he practiced domestic violence. To be precise, instead of treating it as a criminal offence, it should be treated as a civil wrong.

If any law is onesided and when the doors of justice and fair play are denied to one of the parties, people will take the law into their hands.

If a guy can get jailed when he is innocent, then soon husbands may prefer to beat the shit out of the female and then go to jail. In a more sophisticated way, a husband may go to local goons and start talking about paying money to them for getting the brothers and father of the female beaten up.

Today, often the female's parents pay bribe to police to harass the guy and his family. This is same as giving supari to a goon to harass and extort money. Its just a matter of time husbands may get to supari domain when they do not find justice in legal system.

These laws seem to benefit the woman on paper. In reality, I do not know even a single woman who has improved her life by filing these cases.

Men want DV and 498a. Because they are fed up protecting their sisters and daughters from the husbands. Its Men's revenge on other men/husbands (who screwed their sisters or daughters). Are woman just pawns in this game between two gangs of men?

Men of course do not like other men having sex with females. Men subconciously compete for sex. This includes all men including the ones who make laws in a parliament where women are just a minority.

In India, men start having sex at an average age of 25 which is much higher than many other countries. Laws like DV and 498a are mainly a competitive game between men to deny each other the sex. So, its natural that there will be a boom in Pondy industry and also number of rapes that are committed.

We are at cross roads. But, its a very interesting game for everyone. Its just a matter of time the complete legal system will breakdown with overload and bad laws. Then people will take law into their hands.

SIF should open its Branch office at Bangkok Thailand. Journey to Bangkok is much cheaper that handling an Indian Bitch for one month.

we all know what we get so cheap in Thailand.
Thats why foriegners travel to your country.

SIF will not open our branch in Thailand were Flesh business flourish

D.V. is a demonic law brought out to solely deal with the male back lash. Feminist organisations are feeling threatened at the thought of men questioning some blatantly female chauvinistic ideas propagated in the name of women's lib. Now they want to control men by passing such atrocious laws.

CONSIDER A HOUSE HOLD IN INDIA.THE HOUSE HOLD CONSISTS OF HUSBAND AND WIFE WITH/WITHOUT A CHILD WITH/WITHOUT HUSBANDS PARENTS.

IN 99% OF THE HOUSEHOLDS HUSBAND IS ALWAYS ELDER TO THE WIFE.WIFE BEING YOUNGER THAN THE HUSBAND SHOULD LISTEN TO HIM.THIS WILL CREATE HARMONY IN THE HOUSE. IF BOTH WANT TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECESIONS THEN IT WILL ENDUP IN CONFLICT.THE DV ACT WILL INCREASE THIS CONFLICT IN THE HOUSEHOLD AND EVENTUALLY END UP IN SEPERATION OF HUSBAND AND WIFE.

ONE THING IS CERTAIN THESE COURTS,LAGAL SYSTEM AND LAWYERS CANNOT RUN A FAMILY THEY WILL INFACT RUIN THE HOUSEHOLD BY MAKING EVERY ISSUE BIG IN THE HOUSE.

THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WOMEN WERE RESPECTED IN THE SOCIETY BECAUSE SHE WAS THE PERSON WHO USED TO PUT EFFORTS TO KEEP THE FAMILY TOGETHER.

BUT THE LAWS LIKE 498A AND DV ACT HAVE GIVEN RISE TO A MODERN INDIAN FEMALE WHO
A.DOES NOT HAVE KNOW HOW TO DRESS UP IN PUBLIC AND TALKS ABOUT HARASSMENT

B.DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO RESPECT THE HUSBAND AND ELDERS IN THE FAMILY

C.GETS INVOLVED IN EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS BY USING THESE LAWS TO HER ADVANTAGE.

D.GOES ALL THE WAY IN USING THE CHILD CUSTODY(IF ANY) AS A THREATENING TOOL TO HURT THE HUSBAND.

NOW LET US THINK ABOUT THE VIOLENCE IN THE HOUSEHOLD.

1.THERE ARE INSTANCES WHEN WIVES HAVE BEEN USING KITCHEN KNIVES TO STAB AND KILL THE HUSBANDS.

2.THERE ARE INSTANCES WHEN WIFE HAS POISONED THE FOOD GIVEN TO THE HUSBAND.(GOD ONLY KNOWS HOW MANY HUSBANDS HAVE DIES IN THIS WAY)

3.TEHRE ARE INSTANCES WHEN WIFE TRIES TO FORCE HUSBAND INTO SEXUAL ACT TO SATISFY HER BURNING DESIRE. ISNT THIS SEXUAL HARASSMENT?

4.WIVES DRESSING UP AND DOING MAKEUP IN A PROVOCATIVE MANNER ITSELF IS A SEXUAL HARASSMENT ON MEN.

5.WIVES COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LOW SALARY OF THEIR HUSBAND CAUSES EXTREME MENTAL PAIN TO THE HUSBAND.SOME HUSBANDS HAVE ENDED UP COMMITTING SUICIDES BECAUSE OF THIS.

6.WOMEN ARE INCREASINGLY USING THE BENEFITS OF CHILD CUSTODY RIGHTS AS A TOOL TO HARASS THE HUSBAND MAKING HIM GO INTO DEPPRESSION.

7.WORKING MOTHERS ARE NEGLECTING THE CHILDREN IN THE HOUSE.THEY BEAT THE CHILDREN TO DISCIPLINE THEM.ISNT THIS A HARASSMENT ON THE INNOCIENT CHILD WHO CANNOT EVEN COMPLAIN? ALL MOTHERS WHO BEAT THE CHILD SHOULD BE ARRESTED WITH A NON-BAILABLE ,COGNIZABLE AND NON COMPOUNDABLE LAW.

CAN THE FAMILIES SURVIVE WITH THESE LAWS?


THANKS,
INDIAN FATHER

If this law is really implemented and is abused as a weapon by women to flay men, then I think men have to seriously start re-thinking about the concept of marriage itself.
Why get into the system of marriage in the first place when you will have a gun pointed at your head all your life by a woman who can pull the trigger any time she wants,at the flimsiest of reasons and as per her whims.
This is a serious issue of which most men are blissfully unaware of.

ONE SOLUTION TO FAMILY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS "EASY COME OUT OF MARRIGE "AND CIVIL FIGHT AT COURT. THIS REDUCES ABRUPT 50% DOMESTIC CRIMES IN THE
COUNTRY. THIS WAY WOMEN GETS FINANCIAL COMPENSATION FOR A WHILE BEFORE THEY DECIDE AGAIN.

==OTHERWISE==
There will be too many murders in many families now. Story is closed for any
Indian husband to come out of marriage with duplication of domestic violence and 498a with emotional/econonmic abuse.

AS LONG AS THERE IS NO EASY WAY PROVIDED TO COME OUT OF BAD NON WORKING
MARRIAGES, THERE IS A BIG POSSIBILITY OF MORE DANGER KILLING CRIMES AGAINST WIVES.

-MAN LOOSES HIS TEMPER;

-BRAIN GETS INTO DEPRESSION AND IMBALANCE STATE CAUSE SUCH MURDERS.

-MAN NEEDS CALM DOWN STATE TO MOVE AWAY FROM DISRUPTED FAMILY FOR A FEW DAYS

-EMOTIONAL, ECONOMIC, LEGAL TERRORISM FEAR MAKES MEN TO LOOSE CONTROL COMPLETELY, FOR CENTURIES MEN ARE LEARN HEAD OF FAMILY; THESE LAWS ARE
OPPOSITE TO THAT...

INTELLIGENCE AND RESEARCH IS REQUIRED TO SOLVE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN INDIA AND NOT WOMEN ORGS SPONSORED MEN HATRED LAWS. GOVT. OF INDIA THINK ABOUT THIS.

Laws once framed get totally scrapped only if there is a mass upheaveal.That is not a probability in the near future as most men are unaware of the frightening possibilities of THE abuse of D.V.Give it another 5 years, and the abuse will be so wide spread and cutting across men of all stratas that men will have to come out of their shells, combine, and protest and decide accordingly.

BLACK-BOX has said that men have learnt to be heads of families, the provider and protector since centuries . It is exactly this that he has to now learn to let go.There is no point in trying to don the role of the provider and the head of the family. He has to learn to teach himself that he will be put to more economic and mental exploitation by feminists unless he lets go of these trappings.
It is exactly these role models that feminists, by the D.V. act, are trying to forcibly impose on men. D.V. states that men have to keep on providing for women even if she is mentally cruel to him. It does not have any space for the man to get out of a bad and failed marriage. It does not allow a man to walk out of a fruitless marriage and file for divorce and look for a brighter future. D.V. stresses that at the slightest hint of the husband protesting in a bad marriage, he is liable to be jailed by his errant wife. It states that he has to slave and slog and economically provide for her even if she is having an extramarital affair and if he protests and refuses , she can get him arrested.
Hence, D.V. is nothing but a desperate attempt by feminists to force men to go on discharging his traditional and outmoded role models, while women themselves have rejected their own role models.
A WOMAN CAN WALK OUT OF A BAD MARRIAGE ANY TIME SHE WANTS TO BUT D.V. STATES THAT IF A MAN DOES SO, HE WILL BE JAILED AT THE BEHEST OF HIS WIFE.
SO it is time to shed the trappings of the head of the family if men want to survive.

As the abuse of D.V. grows in the coming months, men will have to seriously start thinking about the entire concept of family,parent hood, marriage and the social structure and relationship with women. He has to radically change. His concepts have to be totally altered. It will be painful but he has got to do it if he has to survive.

As many paeprs have reported, D.V. WAS AIMED BY FEMINISTS AND WOMEN'S ORGS. TO COUNTER THE MALE BACK LASH. It is pretty sick. These feminists themselves propagate outrageous and double standard, sexiest ideas, and if men find out faults with them and protest and react, they introduce acts like D.V. to "control" men.
In reality D.V. has only added fuel to the male lashback.

The theory that men are from mars and women from venus, is starting to look very true, its almost like born enemies that they are treating each other these days(even when they are united in a marriage). Is it the materialistic culture which has brought about this intolerance, disrespect, agression, one-up(wo)manship, competition between genders?.

Both genders evolved the way they did only to compliment each other and be total when in unison. Ardhanareeswara concept is very relevant here, which basically says that every person ideally would have qualities of both genders(courage and compassion, aggression and patience, strength and subtleness and such other dipolar qualities), so if we ourselves are built of two distinct but seemlessly blended parts,which part are we loathing and why at all?

But in this age each person is trying to show his so-called "self-reliance"(me myself and my solitude/ego), well the cycle of life won't allow that un-natural trend, the sooner people learn to respect and love, to care and share, the better we all will get. Else courts will be full of warring couples(with no avail), who won't even know why they started the fight in the first place!.

Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu
Avigna masthu

Husbands protest Domestic Violence Act-Times Now.TV
http://www.timesnow.tv/articleshow/219068.cms
Sunday, October 29, 2006 06:40:37 pm

The Akhil Bhartiya Patni Atyachar Virodhi Sangh or the All India Harassed Husbands Association staged a demonstration against the Domestic Violence Act that was enforced late last week.

The protestors said that the Bill is biased against men and therefore does nothing to deliver them from the suffering they have had to endure at the hands of their oppressive spouses.

Darshan Devda, Secretary, Akhil Bhartiya Patni Atyachar Virodhi Sangh said, "The Act is not just. It should give equal rights to both the husband as well as the wife."

Another protestor strongly criticised the act, calling it repressive. "The act is repressive. The new generation might even fear from getting married."

The men may have a point. There is at least one school of thought that points to clauses in the Act are open to misuse.

In Chapter 4, clause S 17, the Act gives a woman unprecedented stake in her marital home. It says 'a part of the house can even be allotted to her for her personal use even if she has no legal claim or share in the property.'

In the same chapter, Clause S.18, the Act protects woman from acts of violence or even 'acts that are likely to take place in the future.'

In Chapter 5, clause S.32 (part 2) says that "under the sole testimony of the aggrieved person, the court may conclude that an offence has been committed by the accused."

It is precisely against these so-called arbitrary clauses that the men have come together in a protest that has Gandhian overtones.

== to any responsible women of India==

you mean this dv/dp/498a act in its form is good for the country, unless you are thinking of your children or you are married and aged..

My mother never; uprightly throw it away. Reasons ==>

In Western nations, women are not supported by husband or anyone. It goes by give and take policy in marriage. In 2005 as per USA census it is said Marriage is getting extinct in USA.

do you think any man on the land of india will accept someone he is feeding can control him meaninglessly? by criminal terror fear. Marriage will 100% destroy in a year or 10 yrs, But certainly it will. I guess, outsiders of india is involved for this.

Those women, who are not thinking and running fastly behind feminist organisations are not thinking in a dimension calmly whether it really helps preserve our culture and soul.

These laws will be used sprucely by manipulative women largely. If any sita using it, her mind will be slowly spoiled by other bad women to misuse it and "umbrella of control" starts in her family. Marriage closes shortly.

How can a luv/trust/attachment relationship runs with police, using economic/emotional abuse without physical abuse?

In otherwords, we are getting pulled by western nations for their form of life style. no one is thinking about this.

un married women age grows and they will be more burdened like western women to manage herself or her father less(if) family. No man will come forward to marry her or to live with her in fear of 498a or DV act. what will be the fate of the country?

If you see urban women look healthy and ready for beauty contest, but even higher position men or a bureacrat look dry face, peechy personality or dull/pale structure. Am I wrong in not making this research properly? though we call india, male-dominated, it is never. These men are attached and running their families blindly with no expectation. Such highly position kinda men never take care of their women such way in any part of western life. This happens only in India. Now these men start thinking seriously. These men learn theri sons to stay away from urban women for marriages.

Laws when designed in bias to women should have been designed bias towards education and literacy as well. Govt must had designed DVact or
498a differently for educated women after 10th or intermediate atleast, so that misuse gets stopped and country would have flourished infrastructurally. Urban educated ill-women is as cruel as a urban educated ill-men. dont you agree? In that case, how do you agree to keep such laws in the hands of such women? dont you think such women crime increases in society and go unnoticed as there is no law for bad married women to get arrested.

I came to know about this after looking life in the west for several years. Western nations are male dominated but not India.

Infrastructure of India will further deteriorate because all significant thinkers loose balance of their mind to perfectly. 5% intellectuals responsible for 70% growth of the country, anyone thought about this. and this 5% disturbed for 5 to 20 yrs due to 498a or dv act!! what happens? present fate of country happened.

Because of blackmail, by-controll, implicit marital conflicts and years together fight inside courts JUST for finance distribution among couple. Bureacrats and intellectuals mind this way gets ruptured and can't contribute well or time for the infrastructure better for the country. Intellectuals continue to leave the country.

This is what you wanted DV or 498a in current form. if any innocent women is learnt about such laws, and one bad individual is enough to change their minds to control their husbands. That starts destruction of marriage and take a lot of time and resources of individuals.

Today india infrastrcutre is affected, I believe, strong reason is 498a. Many officials participate in corruption as they became imbalanced, selfish not thinking properly for the development of the country, just because their minds are affected for 5 to 15 yrs period in controlled, blackmailed marriage. you can't imagine what happens to brain or physiology of human when stressed for years together. That outcome is the present physic structure of men in India.

In future, just like in the west, women be it mother, sister will be fed by only brothers or fathers only. Concept of husband will die. If they get husbands, they get poor husbands, who are economically not well otherwise not. Just western life pervades all walks of life in India. Marriage will not happen (bcoz, boys parents learn boys not to, I learn my son to..i need his physical health and mental helath rather marriage life).

Many intellecutals(70% 498a cases) masters, phds, engineers, doctors are around courts for 5 yrs to 8 yrs to just become innocent after trials. Is this the way country using intellectual resources/proeprty for the country? is this what we wanted India to be?

There is chance for India only when dedicated, sacrifice women role is required. India doesn't afford feminism. It affords active role of BEST women for the development of the nation. Women who are in wonderful marriage and at the same time helping hands for the country flourish and not feminists.

I end up saying only one thing before western feminism takes its troll completely -

Good women ROLE is must for Indias growth and to preserve marriage value system and spiritual india. Pls. think calmly for a day or 2 and read western life and indian life difference, where it comes. I want my daughter to be part of this marriage system and not living outside marriage with multiple parterns in the name of liberation.

Once majority of Indian men are learnt not to provide/protect/feed his wife for no reciprocation/expectation from herside, that is westernization.

Do you think, a man who simply becomes a pet dog with economic/emotional violence usage by a urban controlling any women. I dont think so. Marriage will 100% break. BUT if the man is intelligent enough to become a beggar, what happens to the fate of that women in the current indian critcal/difficult economy, has any
one thought about it. She will be forced to enter into mal-profession for survival. Bad elements use her more and more. Is this feminism?

Such cases grow exponentially from year after year. Men stop marrying if not now, after 5 yrs. parents will no longer marry their boys. they learn them how to stay away and take care of themselves.

I disclaim all liabilities, these are my opinions & thoughts and experience for the help to other mankind preserving spiritual india.

Only a fool will buy a house/apartment:

Its sure that the female will put the domestic violence law against the husband to throw him out of the house. Her brothers can find it easy to grab a house. The lawyers will fleece the guy.

Most logical, rational idiots foolishly assume that a husband's family is strong and a wife's family is weak (even when they see cases like that of Nitish's Katara's murder).

The battle is not between the husband and wife, but it is between two families. The woman's brothers and father can start calling shots and can use DV law to grab property of the man (who has to run away from house after the Protection Order from a Judge).

The unscrupulous bothers and father of the woman can simply bribe the "Protection Officer" to get the job done.

Only a fool will keep his edu certificates and passport at his house:

The law says husband can not keep anything is locker in house. So, the woman can very well burn his certificates and passport. Sex starved black coats will never punish such bitches.

So, the best way for men is to spend on all money.

Swarup Sarkar was on CNN-IBN.

SIF can ensure 90% protection for a husband facing threat of DV Laws or 498a. Now that SIF is on National Scene, our membership will grow rapidly. Just in last one week 60 people have joined. The SIF yahoogroup has become the biggest Yahoogroup in the category of Divorce.

Swarup, Flavia Agnes on CNN-IBN with Sagarika Ghosh,Part I

Swarup, Flavia Agnes on CNN-IBN with Sagarika Ghosh-Part II

We have done enough research on Flavia Agnes and the Domestic Violence law, so Swarup (an Engineer) could take on a prominent advocate and feminist (for 30 years) powerfully.

The CCD cameras, Sting operations and telephone tapping will "clean bowl" many unscrupulous women who will become "overconfident" with DV law and also 498a.

There is no punishment for filing false case. But, if a woman calls a guy's mother a prostitute, her case in the family court will be finished (if the guy records it).

The real female victims will not get justice as the "Protection Officers" will be bought (by money) if the Male is really an Abuser and has powerful connections.

Finally, Men will stop marrying and there will be premarital sex everywhere and women will become unpaid prostitutes.

It is true that D.V. was brought into existence with the primary aim to muzzle the male back lash. Many news papers had reported it and many women in this column have also conveyed similar felings, though with a sense of achievement.
It is most surprising that so called feminists feel terribly rattled and worked up at the notion of the "male lashback".They react like spoilt children from whom a toy has been taken.Some how they have convinced themselves that men will not react or that they have no right to react.
Feminism is full of lopsided ideas and postures and is tremendously anti-male. If men are realising it and pointing it out, feminists are over reacting and bringing in atrocous laws like D.V. to "control" men and to muzzle him so that he does not react or is jailed if he reacts.
ARE WE LIVING IN THE MEDEAVAL ERA???

I AM LOSING RESPECT FOR FEMINISTS AND WOMEN'S ORGANISATIONS. THEY ARE TURNING OUT TO BE TREMENDOUSLY ANTI-MALE. THEY WANT TO CONTROL MEN, DEMEAN THEM WHILE THEY THEMSELVES TALK ABOUT INDEPENDENCE, LIBERATION AND EMPOWERMENT OF WOMEN.FEMINISTS ARE APPEARING TO BE NOTHIG BUT FEMALE CHAUVINISTS .

I do not know where this will all end. If the act is aimed at muzzling men , then it has only encouraged men to speak out against feminists and their anti-male tirade.

Female Chauvinism is an accepted and understood concept(its in dictionaries too, to the delight of Temporal Sahib!), and it applies to many of our sisters and lady goons and their ilk, unleashed by valueless movements in the name of good old feminism!.

I am not able o understand as to how could women's organisations come out with such a demonic act. How could they possibly think that after an act like this, a sane minded, economically independent man will willingly enter into a liason with a woman called "marriage".
I think women's organisations have taken men totally for granted and have some how convinced themselves that men will gladly go on "marrying" and let himself be brutalised, abused, terrorised by the woman he marries.

If you look at the history of feminism, it full of such lopsided theories. You have to understand the mental set up these women organisations. Feminism has given them an identity and the feeling of empowerment. So if feminism fails, their sense of identity also fails. They become identitiless.
Hence, they are desperate that feminism should not fail. They are desperate that feminism should not be challenged or it's concepts be questioned. As men are pointing out some such glaring defects of feminism, they are getting tremendously perturbed and their sense of identity is getting shaken.
HENCE, SUCH ACtS ARE INTRODUCED TO MUZZLE MEN SO THAT HE DARE NOT SPEAK OUT AGAINST FEMINISTS AND THEIR FEMALE CHAUVINISM.

Dear Sakshi,

Tell me one thing that there are so many law to protect women from unscrouplous men.

What are the laws to protect men from unscrouplous women. If you know any, please enlighten our society.

Warm Regards,
Y Bhavy

Good going guys - haven't laughed this much in a while. The stuff above reminded me why I married a non-Indian man! And why I will make sure my daughter doesn't marry one either. Seems that most men on this forum are either scared of losing their power over women or so weak that they can only exert their power over their wives as their means of proving their masculinity.

If its sooooo bad guys, don't marry, kill your daughters at birth, and push your sisters off the bridge in order to protect other men from the hideous fate of marriage. Oh and shoot your mums because they might have stood up for you against your father way back when you were kids. How could she dare to protect her son from her husband!

For the poster who said the following: "To be precise, instead of treating it as a criminal offence, it should be treated as a civil wrong."

If it were a civil offence, it would have to be mitigated on religious grounds. So it could be rejected by Muslim personal law boards as not being based in the Shariah. Or by Christians - as in case of the divorce laws, which Indian Catholics have no right to simply because the Catholic church doesn't permit it. Never mind that most Western Catholic countries allow divorce.

So it was a smart move to bring in the act as a criminal one. It cuts across all sections of society without pandering to the religious nuts.

Why is no one discussing the issues of violence by brothers or fathers? I assume that this violence - towards women in one's birth family = is considered such a major traditional and social right that most men above don't even feel the need to discuss it.

Just more fodder for the fire....

Null, people discuss the context they are aware of, u know cases where fathers and brothers offend girls, do write that. Don't just provide fodder here and there, eat it and then if u may and then do something about it!(other than having a good nonsensical laugh oblivious to the plight of Indians, whom u have alienated from already).

What the HELL?!

I missed this article completely - two days later I find that I'm in some sort of "Misogynists Anonymous" meeting....seriously people - you need to get a LIFE!

Anamika - sorry if the liberals have seemed to have deserted you on this forum. I really didn't see this going on. Though I'd have to say here - given the sorts of vicious comments emerging, having an argument is a bit like casting pearls before swine.

By the way people - if you're going to try to post a comment, do us the favour of actually trying to write it in coherent English? I'm getting kinda tired of trying to decipher messages that end up being unworthy of the time I spent on them.

Budha, u could return to what u where busy doing till now, since here people are trying to communicate about a social menace(this is not an English speaking/writing class; if that's what its intended to be there should have been warnings to that effect, so u could contact the webmasters of this site and ask whether some thing of that sort can be arranged for, and then display your colourful feathers and dance before your liberal crowd in bliss, and do whatever u r adept in doing after that!)

These gender biased laws are violation of basic fundamental rights said have been bestowed by our constitution, these laws are bound to be social menaces, that even results in the peril of the same women who might be misguided to misuse this, along with innocent Indian families(if u really want to get the message).

We are not talking bad about the genuine use of this, but trying to shed light and the ample opportunities of misuse in these loosely framed Acts(have u ever read DV Act, my dear Smiling Budda?, read it here if u may:
http://www.geocities.com/gokul_p_r/PIFmumbaiNGO/DomesticViolenceAct2005.pdf
to see what it used to look like at the Bill stage:
http://mynation.net/dvbill.htm). They are loosely framed, if u wanna debate pointedly on that, come ahead, don't throw statements in hot air and go back hiding in the anonymity of the NET, u game enough, u proclaim the debate..... u man enough, u come affront, Then I will respect you and debate with you, else u can go back to hiding behind the internet's "Pallu". My signature is found below, u r welcome to any place to debate, ur place or mine...

Liberal's are those who have liberty to do something else other than defending for themselves for dear life in the first place. Those who are disadvantaged/cornered/trapped by vexatious legal proceedings against them won't be liberal to the standards you yearn them to be of.

Get on with ur life, if u have no social responsibility to understand what serious discussions are going on in ur favourite gossip channel!... dear Budda.

Chullu bar paani mein doobh jaa, i get reminded of that song some how, budda... do know that?

From our correspondent

18 July 2006

KOLKATA - So many men are crowding a special West Bengal police cell set up to handle cases of violence against women that a senior police officer has mooted a new cell to help men battered by their wives.

The surge of men at the women's grievance cell of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) in Bhavani Bhawan here is an absolutely new trend, according to media reports. "More and more men are lodging complaints of torture against their wives. We have received a large number of such complaints over the past few months. Since ours is a women's grievance cell, we cannot do anything about the cases" Deputy Superintendent of Police, Neelu Sherpa, who heads the cell, told an English daily.

But the cell is counselling women against whom charges of mental or physical torture have been levelled by their bruised and battered husbands.

In the last nine months, nearly 200 husbands have lodged complaints of assault, mental and physical torture against their wives, according to official statistics.

"We called several women against whom complaints had been lodged to the centre. Most of them are educated and wanted to instil fear in the men. We told the women that they are violating the law. The counsellors tried to mend the marriages", said a CID officer.

Sherpa says that 60 to 70 per cent of the torture complaints by wives against husbands turn out to be baseless. "In most cases, women lodge complaints only to harass their husbands."

Often, both parties are at fault. "We call them to our centre and try to sort out their differences. In some cases, women lodge complaints of domestic violence under Section 498A, which is a non-bailable offence", she added.

P. Ravi, Deputy Inspector-General of Police, added: "Wives are increasingly misusing the law to teach their husbands a lesson. This is very unfair."

With the number of battered husbands on the rise, Ravi has mooted the idea of a separate cell for men...

Budda, this is for you, my signature:


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Buddha Smiled

Hey welcome to the muddle of theirs(but dont stay too long) . As I said they suffer from what seems to be a major psychosomatic disorders , misogynosis , have blind hatred towards women and have dillusions of being victims, holler on each and every thread whenever the word women and her rights are mentioned.

Sometimes (in this thread itself) one of their clones has said .."it is a good thing that DV came along...welcome" and then you have the others who still go on and on and on and on.

They call it discussion ...well discussion is between 2 sets of group or more. Here if we say something sagacious, then we are orderd to back to our daily work by Mr Righta who seems to control the thread with his nonsensical cut copy paste tripe and hits out openly. Be it Buddha, Deepti, Salshi, Neha or Anamika--all of us have been asked to either agree with him or get lost.

It is this very blatant snooty , stuck-up attitude who wants to not only control women but other human beings on the thread that has resulted them to face consequences by their women. I don't see them on these threads spewing venom like the men above . I am sure wherever these women are , they must be happy and content.

Immaturity and juvenile behavior to the core and reflects on each and every word of theirs. Seething in poor loss of the fact that they have lost control of women. It is not surprise why their own women have deserted them .

Hi Santhosh, Salutations to ur intellect, anyway do point out where I have asked anyone to get out!. If u want to write something after ur morning cuppa, u could use that ass-wipe, perhaps that piece of paper won't mind ur travesty, perhaps!.

Discussions may continue ;)(since I seem to be in control, wow, Aman, when was that!)

Buddha & Santhosh kapadia:

There is not even a single cent doubt in my mind that you are unmarried. Read my postings and Rajans postings #102, I guess.

I know various upbringing kids from lower middle class where everything in their family is normal. These kids became highly educated and going into marriage-world of middle class (or higher middle class) from that lower middle class status.

To any unmarried middle/higher middle class youngster:

Beware! pls. know before your health gets affected and it leads to another bald or pale, dull, oily head/face uncle in society in 30s. Learn IPC 498a, emotional/economic violence from dvact and their misuse of 98% in Indian society in last 10 yrs. Learn the truth of 1 out of 3 families uncle is in legal/depression fear with hen-pecking in urban cities in india. I challenge if this stats is wrong with anyone.

I challenge with any person in India. Any unmarried indian urban boy JUST the day before marriage 100% MUST KNOW about what is ANTICIPATORY BAIL and BAIL and SESSION, DISTRICT COURT and 498a (and now dv act). If he doesn't he is welcoming DEATH or DEPRESSION TRAP to himself and or his parents.

These are truths. Learn statistics. Very significant point is already bald headed suffering uncles NEVER talk TRUTHS about their suffering outside. you meet them and they look normal.

These are my opinions and research and disclaim all liabities of any consequences and nothing to do with others.

This discussion is the example how men are raised in India. Even for there rights they are fighting hard like nice guys where the gals are are not only pinching but making a joke of them. How miserable. What lesson do you learn from here? Stop vomiting and start filing counter cases on the girl and who ever else is involved since most of the cases are False. Say no to blackmail. Fight for justice. I assure you, within 3 years all this euphoria will vanish.
Time has come for the boys to become practical and not emotional.

Don't just provide fodder here and there, eat it and then if u may and then do something about it!(

Budha, u could return to what u where busy doing till now, since here people are trying to communicate about a social menace

Get on with ur life, if u have no social responsibility to understand what serious discussions are going on in ur favourite gossip channel!...

to quote a few.......

Now what ? Will I be also called a Duryodana, Kans, Ravan and feminist and supranka's son by you and your delirious souls?

I rather be called this coz I am very happy with my wife and children. I am not alone and will not die alone. I pity the men who have abandoned their wife/children over ego fights and misused power coz they sure do not know what bliss and paradise they are missing out on in their child's growing years & family life. The saga will be a terrible lonely old age.

Carry on with your one sided tirade , by your self and amongst yourselves.

Spare us folks; you put the rest of us men to utter ignominy & disrepute. I need to keep both my sons away from you guys.

Please note the words in between the Quotes

Don't just provide fodder here and there, eat it and then """if u may""" and then do something about it!(

Budha, u """"could""" return to what u where busy doing till now, since here people are trying to communicate about a social menace

Get on with ur life, """"if u""" have no social responsibility to understand what serious discussions are going on in ur favourite gossip channel!...

Did u notice that they are conditional statements!(and not marching orders!), oh but how can i expect u to have noticed all that, right?. Anyway as an academic exercise lemme try and educate what """if u may""" , """"could""" return & """"if u""" have no social responsibility ..... means(also see the respective statements in their entirety, above.)

Are u paid to be stupid, or what!. Ur sons will have a tough time overcoming the genetic lack of intellect, if not anything else, what to do, curse of "fixation" or is it plain "dim-wittedness"!

Please not to expose ur ignorance anymore, else ur sons will have no where to run when u visit their schools!

Aha..... but why do uninterested people come here and try to dissuade us, when we were discussing to the point in question. Bad manners.... ha?..... papa bear and posse, bad manners ;).

Cool it people, lets discuss and not spill each others beans or the lack of it LOL.

By the way many of oppressed people like me are denied a life with their kids, but its not because of petty ego fights, its because of the propensity of the girls(or their advisors) to misuse laws. Laws which pose no "fear of punishment" even if misuse is evident!... So thats why Papa Bear, we are fighting like this and we will fight till last, since we don't want this to happen to any other innocent person, including ur kids and mine too

OK...carry on loner. (so you started you english classes too huh)

Agree my sons will lack intelligence but they have a present father and love me unconditionally and we are a family unit.

Atleast they will have both parents mark the attendance in school.

My daughter and sons have both parents around in school.

Because that is what family is all about.

Buddha smiled, now you are stuck. After you have been accused of being unmarried, un-Indian etc, you are just told to get out of the business because you are not "Indian enough" - meaning you are not patriarchal enoug. Meanwhile, half the domestic violence (NCW figures: I dont quote or cut and paste random unreferenced articles) in India comes from the natal family - fathers and brothers are the biggest culprits but various other family members also help along. Much has been made of "honor killngs" by the Turkish immigrants in Germany or indeed in various Islamic countries, but NONE of the posters here have bothered acknowledging that it exists here in India - and NOT just amongst the Islamic populations. Western India is the major area for domestic violence against women although it also occurs in other parts of the country. And ALL of it is about male honour!
You want to know that DV exists against family members? Just pick up ANY newspaper: Panchayats killing young women because they dared to marry someone that fathers and brothers did not accept is an EVERY DAY story. So far they don't turn up as crimes against women because there hasn't been a specific law for it. In fact, just look at panchayat decisions all in Haryana and Punjab alone (not even counting the cow belt) for massive crimes against women. This is the country that when a woman gets raped, the "generous" public decision is to force her to marry her rapist.
While on the topic: Did you guys back the killing of Priyadarshini Mattoo too? Wasn't that her fault as well? And BOY did Santosh Singh get a bad rap from the courts! I am surprised that you all haven't organised a sympathy morcha for him. But of course, I forgot - he tried raping and killing WITHOUT marrying the woman. Oh, sorry, terrible mistake there! If he had married her, he could rape her, beat her, torture her and kill her AND have widespread support from MCPs that abound on this forum. In fact, I am sure the blogger who wrote in his defence would get the blogger of the day status for a whole month!

i know santhosh and buddha. infact, they r unmarried.

Am glad for your sons Santosh, they are actually getting the education they need and deserve to respect and trust women. They are also privileged to learn to love, respect and admire women in a way that the protestors on this forum can't! Congratulations. And best of luck!
I remember my grandmother - a good old fashioned Bihari - who raised eight children to be successful model citizens. However loving she was, she would have shot her sons or grandsons for perpetuating violence against women. We all knew that she thought that men who didn't respect women were lowest of the low. And so we all learned to live otherwise. And this from a woman born in 1923. She would have been thrilled with DV - just what she had tried to teach everyone through out her life but had no legal basis for.
Just so everyone knows - most of these misogynist morons posting above don't represent the bulk of Indian men!

Thanks Samar
That was a good one and so well said. They definately DO NOT represent mankind or rather even the humanrace . I think they are a shame to mankind as a whole.

Null---I dont know who you are and I dont want to know either lest my 'stupidity' infects you.

By the way--the fact you cannot digest the fact that happily married men exist and do exist. We have made our married lives successful. And are darn proud of it.

Santhosh - you are happy morally that is more than enough.

BUT you should digest that BAD women are there in urban cities as ill as BAD men. These ppl are fighting for that, because to arrest such women..there are no laws in India.

Women are going to clubs, dances, free birds like men now; According to these men, city women only files 86% of 498a cases every year. You are really a lucky person, if you are married and happy. It is inevitable to find such a good women who do not misuse in Urban India now.

Sorry, I meant other way round. inevitable to find BAD women in urban india.

I am a Lucky man huh. I do not think so. I have worked hard and imbibed some of the finest values from my parents.

My dear Pyare Mohans, be proud since the fire has not still reached your house. That's why you are feeling safe. But the fact is, its spreading fast and the number of victims is growing. If you are apathetic to the victims so be it. But you can not ignore the fact that families with even slight dispute are vulnerable now.

Santosh,Think about a family where the boy also worked hard and imbibed some of the finest values from his parents like you. But got cheated in marriage and his whole family gets ditroyed by a BAD women and her family.

Rathor.

If you are apathetic to the victims so be it. But you can not ignore the fact that families with even slight dispute are vulnerable now to domestic violence too.

Women get beaten up everyday in India and abused and called names by you jerks on this site so openly on the internet.

If you did the same name calling and abusing to your wife, then obvioulsy she would take action. What do you expect her to do?

'Women get beaten up everyday' - After so many strict laws. Then is making a new law solution to it?
2nd - You are of the mindset which thinks all women are good and only men are criminals.
My friend, come out of 16th century minset. 21st Century girl's also kill their husbans with the help of their lovers and get caught only atfer her own child confesses to Police. I hope you do not skip these stories while reading news.

We have got a society nurtured with Pro women news for decades. That's why; society tries to justify every wrong doing of women while Men are at the receiving end even before justification. It's like the verdict is out before trial. Then why do we need Judiciary when all of us are Judges?

Well! well! well! This is getting out of hand. This is turning into a messy street brawl between the sexes.
Well! men are bad and they deserve tough treatment. But women are also not sati-savitris any longer, and they can not demand to be spared either!
As far as name calling is concerned, Some men here have called women 'PROSTITUTES" etc, which is highly objectionable. We all have our rights, I mean men and women. Each has it's point of view, and lets respect it.
If men feel that D.V. will be abused by women and that these Acts are used by women to harass their husbands, then they are entitled to state that.But let us maintain the decorum.

Righta $153 says that
"P. Ravi, Deputy Inspector-General of Police, added: "Wives are increasingly misusing the law to teach their husbands a lesson. This is very unfair."
Now even police are stating that laws are being misused by women. With the introduction of D.V., even this Deputy Inspector-General of Police can be arrested at the hint of the slightest marital dispute or quarrel.
Just look at the wide ambit of D.V. It's misuse can affect men of all stratas.It can equally affect men ranging from the President to the peon,the industrialist to the industrial worker,the law maker to the law breaker and billionaire to the bell boy.
And if this legal terrorism continues, it will unite them all. D.V. is a boon in disguise for the male back lash.

The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act, 2005 will do a youmen service for the uplift of the women folk only in case the central and state governments take immidiate steps for implimentation/enforcement tools of the Act.

In order to ensure the dissimination of rights granted under the Act to women especially those living in villages, it will be essential to publish the provisions of the Act as well as pamphlets in all the regional languages of India. This will be in keeping with the duties of the central and state governments in terms of section 11 of the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act, 2005.

RTPS Tulsi, is right. The sooner and wider publicity the Act is given, the sooner and wider it's abuse will start, and the severer will be the reaction against it. It will save men a lot of botheration to publicise the evil effect of the ACT.
Hence, as advised by Tulsi, women's group should immediately start an all out effort to convince the Govt to publicise the Act.Then the shit will hit the fan!!

This Act envisages that only women are victims. Change the word 'HUSBAND" to "partner" in the act and you will see feminists and women's organisations running for cover.

From the reaction that I have gathered from some of the women's organisations which had helped in drafting this one sided and extreme Act,one of the main aims was to "teach men a lesson" for having the "audacity" to usher in "male backlash".
Feminists are seething in rage at the very concept of now men coming out and criticising some of the feminists preachings and they wanted desperately to do some thing about it.
But sadly for them, male backlash is here to stay. It is a reality emanating from certain distorted versions of feminism. It is time women's organisations started accepting it.

I know this tactic of not hearing/reading what's actually said/written and being persistent on repeating what you want to impress upon, in the fond hope of drilling those "ideas" into minds of whoever would listen and the unwary/uninitiated(my in-laws used do the same, so I realise this ploy right when u start typing ur tirade out).

Santosh Kapadia, Aapka kapda uthaarna pada, uskeliye keliye sorry. I had to say what I said/wrote, to try and make u realise (and mindless others, who were not really realizing what's being said, or did not want to realize/acknowledge for whatever reason) that u r just getting fanatic/fixated with ur mindless opposition towards some imaginary enemy.

This enemy, for your info, I/we are not, we are fighting for our rights to live free and to get Justice,********** we are not at all trying to take away any rights that women rightly should be bestowed with*********

Pls try and understand this first before u probably start hitting back with out-of-context, null and void "cover fire"!, have you though about who u r trying to cover(or end up covering), the quasi-feminists, Feminazies, the money-mongering goons in the garb of women's rights/empowerment?!!, is that what u intend?).

As for me, I am just a man(among multitudes of similar Indian men) who is dragged into this an ordeal of defending my family and myself, from being falsely persecuted. This persecution has been relentlessly happening for about 4 years, directed against us, by the same lady to whom I had given my heart and soul, and to whom I had reiterated that I belong to her even after coming out of remand of 3 days, after getting a bail(in the false Mental and Harassment case against us), this info is just to give some clarity on the context- try not to get into unnecessary arguments on my situation, I do not intend to give any proof, to make u all believe but u may believe if u may(I don't hope to get justice in a public trial, so there's no point in doing so, if u know what I mean).

The end result of all these rubbish was just that the me and my ex-wife are still entangled in a series of cases and counter cases against each other(for about 4 years, sounds fun right?, yeah right....... it's a national waste when u consider lakhs of such cases which would have been diffused/resolved, if only someone had tried to solve the issues(whatever they might have truly been) in a mature and responsible way, but alas some insinuating blood hounds with money in their mind are instigating these fights(so that they can be the fox who will drink the blood of the two warring goats who charge and bang their head against each other until both die a gory death!).

Above all my Kid is growing up without a full family, thinking that her father is so loveless that he doesn't even come to see her, what my child does not know(yet) is that my soul is smouldering in her thoughts, thousands of miles away from her and not to see her the best option for me(else the kids mind will be poisoned against me, and we all will have another lady whose mind is skewed with respect to gender and relationship, the same thing which I wanted to avoid and which lead the break-up, read my site for more details regarding this, if u want: http://gokul.go.to ).

We appreciate that many of you are living with full families and are doing so very successfully. We are happy for all of you and would do everything to sustain this love and tranquility in our society(and that's exactly what our higher objective is, to Save and Protect Indian Family from disruption, from moral/value decay, from legal vultures who make a living out of instigating life-partners against each other).

But does all this mean that I don't deserve a productive life with honour and dignity along with my only girl child?, just because my in laws(now 'ex') decided to leverage the one sided laws of India to send the entire government machinery against three people in, what's left of, my family?.

Brothers and Sisters we can do what we intend to do with out much of your help, but we would do better if you don't mindlessly oppose(or even banter against) us. If u do not like or do find errors/faults in what we say, please do definitely point out or critisise, but do it with rhyme and reason, don't do it like some brain-washed, mindless , morons (that u sometimes end up portraying yourselves as).

But before u all 'probably' go doing autopsy of my personal history(which is also documented at my webpage, if u all feel the need to cross check. If I had been out of this case-chakravyuh I would have given even my ex-wife's email for u all to cross check, but for that I need to wait for some more time(like eons, since its Indian legal system in which I am entangled, thanks to its inherent throughput rate!)

************Where did we all say that genuine recourse to DV Act(or for that matter IPC 498a and other laws instituted to protect women) is undesired/wrong!!!.**************

Lets discuss this and get clarity, and then move on to other arguments, which people may have.

It seems I am in control of the discussions/comments on this article, so be it. People take good note, no one moves a muscle ;) without addressing the above question!.



Live and let live, Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu... Avigna Masthu

Future of DV on India:

Unlike 498a (STATS for 498a)there would be some color changes due to this act. Here they are:

Majority of cases filed under this act would be related to economic - mental -emotional harrassment.

Already throughout India 9 cases registered so far, physical violence is 4, remaining all above stated. In the long run Physical hrssment would be far lesser and above harrassments would be 80% of cases.

Rich ppl hardly comes into this act. If rich women wanna catch, it catches BIG fish 498a only.

Most domestic problems arise due to MONEY. Economic abuse doesn't arise with them. No RICH or modern sub-rich lady goes for Rs20K or 1 yr jail one to get booty from her hubby.

Only sufferers are middle class husbands. It is difficult to survive in this difficult economy. Wife can't undrstand ...they are towards fast temporary western solution to recieve money for household chores or movies..They go for DV.

Also these women as modernized in cities..look to have property on their side to be on th safe side. So they create problem in family and make sure to file DV and take a portion of the home(as it happened yesterday in fresh DV from Andhra). They think once property is on thier side after the disputer by DV at court; they could resume marriage again.

50% DV cases in urban cities would go by property attack(indirectly brainwashing lady by her father or brothers).

On the other hand winter session parliament will be passing elder abuse preventtion act costing 3mnths jail to HUSBAND and or Rs5000.

Now FUN comes into picture in INDIA. Men in India no longer look like human beings. Their faces look like sheeps; limbs like buffalo legs: I can't explain further. I just pity them. God save these innocent F***. They can't even fight or protest on raods for their minimum human being rights. LINK GIFTED

If one asks young children in urban indian cities. 80% children states "my father is nice, but mummy is angry (i.e., arrogant)". Still these men can't learn.

IndraJaisingh successfully able to help her colleagues (advocates)before she retires by having hands in bringing this DV act.

no of Men orgs in India NULL; Women orgs in India 524; salary generation; survival; funds..they needed women crimes to show; they succeeded in their game for last 20 yrs. It is a fact that women are suffering; BUT it is absolutely a fact that SO many women media and women orgs shown in stats is NOT (STATS HERE).

when it comes to URBAN india. 100% fact is MEN are actually harrassed more than women. How many know this. Mental strength is stronger than physical. Men are harrassed mentally; their reaction is physical.

Indirectly NATURE LEARNS BY ITS OWN COURSE. Men learn by their pressure and stress itself;

Most men are as sex starved, as usual run blindly for marriages; have continous sex for an year; come to know stress and pressure due to DV and DP & 498a; comes out of marriages in 1st year by paying lumpsump; believe me most urban men family learn them to pay and get rid of her; women divorcees are all over the streets; just western life in sarees all over;(LINK. If children involved..worst situation; God help urban India.

There is no doubt that poor man would be safer and physically largely stronger than city men.
poor women actually feeds 35% salary for her family. Urban women feeds 0% but tries to get much more than a salray from her husband (TV,wshMchne etc.,).


In otherwords, who ever do not save money; do not buy any property or inherit property from his parents; who is a spend thrift WILL LIKELY TO HAVE LESS problems with urban women.


NRIs straight away reject wives within 6 mnths of marriages due to knowledge of DV or DP or 498a within a ripple effect by the grace of bride or her family.

In other words - what goes around, comes back will certainly happen to the feminists, I believe. Nature learning men to take care by itself in India.

All these my perceptions and research only and nothing to do with others and disclaim all liabilities from deciphering outcomes.

BlackBox please could you repeat what you said

Voidless, Khujli karega beta?, math mere laal ;)

how can a Void understand? regardless of suffix "less"

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Sex & The City : What are men scared of?
CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA WONDERS ABOUT THE POSSIBLE REASONS THAT LED MEN TO LAUNCH A PROTEST PLATFORM IN THE WAKE OF THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ACT



(I request all members of SIF who receives this email, to register their response at the above feedback channels, so that "The Telegraph" knows what you all think about the article, which is quoted at the bottom of this mail for your ready reference. And also do alert the relevant authorities about this article, for their necessary action)



Hi Chandrika,



To put it all in a nut-shell: We are not protesting now that women have better legal protection against Violence and Oppression... PERIOD



These gender biased laws(like IPC 498a(see
http://www.saveindianfamily.org for info, if u r ever interested) and are violation of basic fundamental rights said have been bestowed on us by our constitution, these laws are bound to be social menaces, that even results in the peril of the same women who might be misguided to misuse this, along with innocent Indian families(if u really want to get the message).


On any point mentioned above if u happen to have reservations or need more info to be convinced yourselves, just ask me (at drmura (at) hotmail (dot) com or gokul (at) mynation (dot) net ) and I would be happy to provide u with "Objective" data and statistics published by Government and other authentic sources. We are here to prove our point, and achieve our goals of building a greater Nation by getting its basic unit the "Indian Family" harmonious and productive on the fundamental foundations of love and respect.

We are not talking bad about the genuine use of this, but trying to shed light and the ample opportunities of misuse in these loosely framed Acts.


The DV ACT is loosely framed and waiting to be misused, if u want to debate pointedly on that, come ahead. Ahhh then you would argue that what happens to the genuine victim-women: Their interests should be of course protected, but not at the cost of making innocent young productive men(And their families, which includes their mothers, sisters and other women of the family) of this country of ours vulnerable of being victimised by misuse of these laws.



Where is the maxim of law, with respect to these draconic and lopsided laws?: "Even if 100 culprits escape the law, not a single innocent should be convicted"( Please note that here more than a verdict of "Conviction", the real punishment which all accused but innocent men and families have to undergo, is the fact that they have to go through the rigmarole of India Judicial system and Police processes, which in itself is a big shock which kills many an Indian citizen, as it definitely had in the past too



Read my blog entry on Supreme terming misuse of these gender biased laws as "Legal Terrorism": http://at498a.blogspot.com/2006/07/please-report-on-misuse-of-ipc-section.html ..





************ epilogue: Courtesy Comment section of Article: The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 - Big Brother has Arrived

***********

Laws are made with Good intentions, but the implementation of the laws, as seen in India, is almost always suspect. Just wait and see how much this DV ACT is going to be misused.

With great freedom comes great responsibility.... if our law makers just make laws without fool-proofing it with regards to chance of misuse, what good is a skewed law anyway.

One would slowly realise that the whole family which includes women being victimised by misuse of DV Act, just as its happening with 498a.

Implementation....... is the key(just like almost every known/recognised concept in management is great, its execution is the key!).

Who creates these Acts and Bills, which won't address even Genuine violence(see the punishment under DV is just 20,000 rupees or 'some'(1 year) Jail, neither does it fool-proof the misuse of this Act. Why are these half-baked laws made in the first place, who are those jokers who are imposing these shoddy shit on us!?. Why isn't it that these important and critical laws not even ratified with realities of life, before they are enforced!.

The theory that men are from mars and women from venus, is starting to look very true, its almost like born enemies that they are treating each other these days(even when they are united in a marriage). Is it the materialistic culture which has brought about this intolerance, disrespect, aggression, one-up(wo)manship, competition between genders?.

Both genders evolved the way they did only to compliment each other and be total when in unison. Ardhanareeswara concept is very relevant here, which basically says that every person ideally would have qualities of both genders(courage and compassion, aggression and patience, strength and subtleness and such other dipolar qualities), so if we ourselves are built of two distinct but seamlessly blended parts, here which part are we loathing and why at all?

But in this age each person is trying to show his so-called "self-reliance"(me myself and my solitude/ego), well the cycle of life won't allow that un-natural trend, the sooner people learn to respect and love, to care and share, the better we all will get. Else courts will be full of warring couples (with no avail), who won't even know why they started the fight in the first place!.

Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu
Avigna masthu

Also see the discussion about DV Act, in the comment section(this feedback will also be posted in here) of Article: The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 - Big Brother has Arrived(I had given the URL, Aman , D & T , Happy?, I know u all are, enjoy.....)


We, at SIF, urge "The Telegraph" to adopt responsible journalism and diligent curbing of irresposible journalism, in the interest of our Nations overall interest. Else we, at Save Indian Family" will react in an appropriate manner to curb this tendency of un-reasearched and unbalanced reporting, which is apparently being promoted for pandering to sensationalism and baser needs of some vested interests. And as a result articles in reputed publications and national dialies are turning out to be outright one-sided and scandalous, as Ms.CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA has managed to do, in your publication, in full world public purview.





Warm Regards

P.R.Gokul

B.E(E.C.E), M.B.A, C.P.I.M

Director, Protect Indian Family, Mumbai (NGO working for Marital & Familial Harmony)


*************** The Article in question as published in "The Telegraph"*************


What are men scared of?
CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA WONDERS ABOUT THE POSSIBLE REASONS THAT
LED MEN TO LAUNCH A PROTEST PLATFORM IN THE WAKE OF THE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE ACT

The first arrest has been made under the domestic violence act. But
last week, with the act barely out of Parliament, a group of men
went slightly wild. To protect the hallowed institution from the
threat of "legalised terrorism" by women, they launched a protest
group called Save the Indian Family. When anyone who has been in
touch with contemporary Indian culture knows that nothing can save
the Indian family since Rakhi Sawant burst onto the scene and I will
not dwell on the word "burst" in this context.
[EDITED]

Yeah I am guilty of "The Copy Paste Tripe", so what do u guys wanna do now? ;). Chal Hath

Aman, Smiling?. I have invited hordes of media personnel in here, watch ur "eyeball" counters. Happy kya?

DV Bill: Threat to family or Boon for Domestic harmony

Since the introduction of the bill, men have been protesting against the bill and women are wondering "What are men scared of?" Yes the reasoning behind the protest and wonder is missing, but yes the drafters of the bill are all well aware of the reasons but are silent to see their ulterior motives being realized through this act.

First and foremost, the objective of the bill is misguided in the title and preamble. A man of reason will reasonably believe that DV bill, will aim at curbing the domestic violence. The ulterior objective of the bill is hidden behind the nice words of protecting women from domestic violence and actually has nothing to do with curbing domestic violence and promoting domestic harmony within family sphere.

The domestic violence can be committed by anybody and everybody with the family and offenders do not have gender. On the contrary, the bill limits the victims only to women and perpetrators only to men. A general experience, with 498a is that there are many threats given to husband and his relatives to meet the demands of wife and her relatives before actually filing the complaint. The DV Bill legalizes this procedure and gives more teeth to such women. After the protection order is passed, an imagination of what will happen is sufficient to see the extreme domestic violence imposed on man by this law. Usually, whatever be the point of difference, a woman will be encouraged by her clout/feminists or even lawyers and protection officers to provoke the man to engage in acts akin to domestic violence. It can be easily noted that mere one or two acts of provoked domestic violence does not have sever impact on the woman, but the gains out of such provocation are huge for the woman, under domestic violence act. The definition of domestic violence is also such that mere consented acts of woman may also be accounted as domestic violence. Thus it is extremely easy for any woman to obtain protection order, whether in reality the act of male has caused damage to the extent of grievance of woman or not. However as soon as the protection order is obtained, the woman becomes all powerful in the domestic sphere. The implications of the violation of protection order on man and his family are extremely sever.

It is not actually necessary for any act of domestic violence to have happened actually to cause the damage to the man's life under the provisions of this act, a mere allegation is enough. Violation of protection order is a non-bailable offence. If the woman goes into police station and only reports that the domestic violence has again been committed in any imaginary form, the man will be immediately arrested and sent to jail without enquiry. Arrest for one day is enough punishment for anybody. The humiliation and wrath and depression is only added damage not to forget the provision under law that a day's arrest will by default result in loss of employment. Besides the stigma in society after the arrest is made is nearly unbearable for any man. The fear of loss of shelter and property is also tremendous. A man whose female relative has obtained protection order against him, will fear her to death. There is nothing with him which he cannot lose. The punishment of living under protection order shall be worse than living in jail for one year.

Such position makes the woman, extra-ordinarily powerful at home. The man shall be under absolute control of the woman and vulnerable to the domestic violence, which may extend to any form of abuse such as verbal, emotional and even physical. The man obviously by definition of this law cannot obtain any protection against the violent woman.

It is a misnomer promoted by feminists that woman is alone, weak and cannot handle herself. Women are socially powerful elements and have often taken help from natal home, to establish and assert their power in matrimonial home. Such trend will take a boost, due to this law.

The provisions of this act also do not leave much scope for enough opportunity for hearing from man during trial and do not leave any scope for material evidence. The offence is convictable, by the word of devil herself. The monetary benefits and benefit of power within home is such that the irrational behavior is simply irresistible for most women.

The opportunities for NGOs and corrupt officers are also aplenty and are further protected by law. NGOs have been given free hand to mishandle the man and his opinions in the family matter. Police officers have been given mandatory functions to intimidate him. The lure of money and power over the household will be simply irresistible for such unaccountable aides to woman.

A man will lose all his opinions in the household and will have to silently see his household destroyed by the unscrupulous women and people around. He may never be able to protect his children against any such abuse.

The ridiculous provisions of keeping the women outside the ambit of domestic violence act, will actually promote domestic violence by women in the family sphere and men shall lose all the reasonable opinions in the house and their lives will also be jeopardized socially economically and physicially.

The above explanation is sufficient to foresee the domestic violence promoted by enactment of Domestic Violence Act.

The objective of the act should have been to prevent domestic violence within domestic sphere and allow for reasonable opportunities for all parties at home and government should have looked for the earliest opportunity to withdraw the intervention inside the home after ensuring that reasonable circumstances exist for restoration of domestic harmony at home. The domestic violence act is going create a mess in our backyard, and no one shall forgive feminists and irrational questions such as "What are men scared of?"

I think there is a need to define a creamy layer among women just like Supreme court did for SC/ST and OBC categories in its verdict on reservation.
Categorisation is the need of hour. If not looked into ASAP it will lead to civil unrest.

Some time back i wrote an article on this on DC.
May be there is definitely a way to arrive at the much needed categorisation.

Ms. Bhattacharya, (In response to Article: telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp )

I was not really annoyed after I read your article but can't help feeling that the content of the same were brewed out of strong a gender bias and possible journalistic populism. You might have heard of Domestic Violence, you must have shivered at stories of brides been burned to succumb, beaten up for dowry and coerced to face all possible attrocities imaginable. You heard stories that are told. But people like me do have different stories to tell. Stories which do not boost newsprint sell, do not create resentment, not even raise eyebrows! But nevertheless stories that are reality. Stories that you seldom will care to listen or pay any heed to. I would not care either to waste either of our time on laments that I have passed. Only I must tell you, laws that give women unquestioned legal supremacy over (all) men, are often the cause of their own peril. Please find out how many women's life and dignity these laws (Article 498A and Dowry/ DV laws) have saved and how many families they have ruined. I am certian the outnumbering statistics would actually more than surprise you. In my own case, my "beloved" wife comfortably chose the way of retribution (to what she only knows) to petty adjustments and in her mad rage tried to put me and my parents behind bars, even if for a day. God wanted otherwise and she failed. Now that I am divorced and shiver at the very thought of marital alliance (or even women around me), who do I blame? I guess my wife for sure, but no less the laws! I became paranoid towards all thoughts concerning women and hopelessly averse to any gender-relationships. I earned all the bad repute that I never deserved, my education in the best of colleges in your city went under the guillotine so smoothly and my whole psyche marred with a never before experienced trauma. But what happens to my wife? After all the money she could launder from the divorce and all the sadistic pleasures she enjoyed from her heinous acts, she is surely in a worse catastrophe than me. She is nowhere. She is now exposed and her life shredded under the acts of violence that she intended to bestow on me. The CIRCLE IS COMPLETE. Without the Draconian Laws, our marriage would have survived, our relationship would have survived, I would have survived and most importantly, she would have survived! But that was not to be. Please be assured that none of us at SIF are Anti-Women or even pro-men. We are just battered souls trying to alleviate this gross misjudgment of the family as a relationship per se. DV Act will only be to break more families and generate more awe in men towards relationships as sacred as marriage. But I guess that is the kind of aggression and action that most women want. But no amount of threat is enough to "chastise" a self-respecting person (man) who compromises with his best efforts till the point he breaks and can take no more! Threat can NEVER be the foundation of any relationship and more so a marriage (a false notion that women like my wife are given to nurture). You can oppress a man only up to a point where he is still just allowed to feel his fear of indignation and disrepute has not been outweighed by the burden of his very survival.

I personally have always cried about ONE damn thing. Keep 498A, Keep Dowry Act, keep even the DV Act. But do keep provisions in the laws itself for strict penalties for perjury and malice. You can take my word for it- Ninety Five per cent of all the filed cases would vanish in a wink! Anyway, it's a long way to that. To (again) quote Led Zeppelin at the fag end (one of my most uttered lines of late), all these make me to really believe now "...Lots of people talking but few of them know.. soul of a woman was created below...". Let the women be the judge if they want to live up to that reputation. I hope there is still time to "Save (the) Indian Family" after all!

Regards.

Sudipto De Sarkar
Kolkata

Mr Righta

I do not think I want to hear a sermon from a guy who has deserted his wife (as per your blog and the link you provided) I went through some parts of it and I think it is really pathetic like a typical MCP you would expect your wife to have the exterior beauty that you have so expressed ur desire on your site and went on to quote that it was disappointing for you that she was not 'fair' as in the picture provided to you, which I feel too sorry for you and your low expectation in life. Comon everyone looks different in pics and that is why there is a term called 'personal meeting'. Irrespective of that, choosing a life partner based on 'color' to me a job of the goal-less who suffer from inferiority complexes and vile minded people. Further you have crucified that vulnerable lady (am so sorry for saying this lady but I shall put it across the best way I can possible), a single mother by now by describing certain physical illness of her that caused a skin aliment publicly. Which I think is so distasteful , repugnant and detestable.

No man or woman is expected to do this. In fact it is illegal to speak of anyones ailments on a public domain . If you were in USA, you would be behind bars for 10 years for sure. Regardless of that , what happened to maintaining some dignity in personal relationships as a matter of respect to the bond and being HUMANE.

I feel bad for children in these kinds of marriages, they either turn out be like sunajy dutts, abu salmes or miss thailands. They suffer in their childhood if they have parents like these.

Every year women drive 22,000 husbands to suicide and each one of these criminals go scot free because Men are considered disposable by society.

Joining hands with their boy friends (who are supporting DV bill) Women also murder about 2000 husbands every year.

Let National Crime Bureau publish statistics from both sides. They we will see real fun.

Its women who indulge in constant mental and economic abuse of men. Since ages, wives have been forcing men to fight with their brothers for a bigger share of property.

Men get a sexual kick by dreaming women as vulnerable and hence all these bullshit laws are getting enacted.

If women are vulnerable, then why their suicide rate is much lower than that of men? Why women have a higher life expectency than men?

Women do beat up men in Indian society. Men do not come out in open as other men (like you) ask them, "why the hell you did not beat the pulp out of her?"

So, if a man complains of beating by his wife, then he is blamed for not hitting her. If he hits her even once (after getting hit by her 100 times), he is a MCP and wife abuser.

IG Radha got beaten up in front of TV Channel camera? Ever MCP makes fun of him because he is not hitting his wife. Even being a Police IG, he is not able to protect himself.

The Gender War begins.

By the way, why the hell the women in DC are silent on this issue where as sex starved MCPs (are coming in support of this biased law) in a country where judicial accountability is a myth?

Because, women (who have brains) now know where the whole country will lead to. The idiot conservative MCPs who call us "sons of bitches" are jumping around.

Law has to be same for both genders.
For same crime, the punishment has to be the same.

Women who drive husbands to suicide are going scot free because sex starved MCPs want to hang around females.

SIF is not a minority. It is the largest Yahoo Group on Divorce (in the world) now. Its membership is growing rapidly. Once our branches open in each and every city and village and once we expose the deeds of criminal women (including recordings) in Internet, we will see which DV law will save the unscrupulous women.

Many feminists are bringing up their sons as daughters and at the same time they want the sons to be competitive/risk taking and protect and provide for her and the whole family in future.

So, they want to have Cake and Eat it too.

As predicted, SIF has taken on a veteran like Flavia Agnes on IBN-Live. If we are a bunch of fools (without strategy) we would not have grown so rapidly and we would not received any attention.

SIF guys work in some of the best organisations in Indian and abroad. Till now, you have only seen the Trailer. The movie will begin very soon when Indian women will start working as "Unpaid Prostitutes" just like women in many so called advanced countries.

The world is FLAT. Indian men are in great demand by women in other countries who have already dumped feminism. Once, the IT guys start living with females (dumping the principles) of other nationalities, the sex/money starved Indian females will come to track.

Foolish Feminist Journalist gives Free Advertisement of SIF in Telegraph.

Read the story.

There is nothing (in this world) which can be called negative publicity. She writes:
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The first arrest has been made under the domestic violence act. But last week, with the act barely out of Parliament, a group of men went slightly wild. To protect the hallowed institution from the threat of "legalised terrorism" by women, they launched a protest group called "Save the Indian Family". When anyone who has been in touch with contemporary Indian culture knows that nothing can save the Indian family since Rakhi Sawant burst onto the scene and I will not dwell on the word "burst" in this context.
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Did we go slightly wild? In fact, I always believed that we guys are fully wild.

SIF is a conglomeration of more than 10 different organisations which got formed on March 9th 2005.

One can see the evidence here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saveindianfamily/

One of the big mistakes the feminists who get DDT from SIF do is to categorise SIF as a Conservative Organisation. Annie Zaidi from Cartel did that in 2005.

Is SIF a conservative organisation?

"Save Indian Family" means save innocent parents, brothers and sisters. Its not really about saving marriages. We love to swim along with the stream. The stream is towards "no marriage, free love and no children."

SIF guys are schrewed enough to remain in "Liberal Boat" and make holes in it than getting attacked royally if they sit in conservative camp. Some pseudo-liberals worshipping "Tits, clits and elephant dick" are now talking against free speech (after they got SIF DDT).

It has been found, the more liberal a judge is, the better s/he treats the guy and his family.

What this Bong "Chandima" Journalist forgot to mention is that SIF has grown 6 times in one year and it will grown another 6 times in next one year.

Indian marriage will become like American marriage, European marriage very soon. If you feel EAST is different, then I must say, Indian marriage will soon reach the stage where "Taiwanese Marriages" are today. They still have joint family system and yet cohabitation (before marriage) is universal. In such a situation, men will no longer remain sex starved (like most Indian male bloggers).

Once sex starved MCPs (who support DV LAW) get fully satiated, they will dump femininists in the middle of national highway, where feminists will get the truck drivers to become part time fathers for their children.

Many MCPs want gender equality, because they want more females in their workplace so that they can romance at day time as well. I ask most of them, "would u report to a female boss? Then their real colour emerges."

Its the MCPs who are advocating in favour of DV Laws now. Feminists want to Piggyback on these MCPs. Good luck to feminists.

We will do this, we will do that....bragging frenziedly all over the place.

Predications that are insane and derivations that will cease to happen.

DO SOMETHING. And show us the results.


When sex starved clients have a desire only then prostitutes come into existence .

"DO SOMETHING. And show us the results."
Means this Mr./Miss null atleat understood our logic. Well done all.

Mr./Miss null did not realise but we already took the first step i.e. creating awareness. He/She is an aware person now.

Santosh Kapadia, is not only a Judge, he is GOD. He knows every thing about every body and passes the verdict right away. HC and SC judges should take his views as declaration rather than going for a lenthy trial Process. At least we can save a lot of time and energy of Judiciary.
First verdict - Send All Husbands to Jail.
OH forgot to add a clause - EXCLUDING MR. Kapadia

Comment 190# Those portions which you have referred are from my legal documents, in which my advocate had a stake in expressing whatever he thought would "shine" in court.

I haven't vetted those documents much, lest I get my advocate upset(legal proceedings once started is best left to the lawyers, its the stages before that we can hope to have control of, which in my case was almost 'no control' because my in-laws were in a hurry to see me on the streets and my body in floating in 'Juhu' beach!).

Anyway as I said its not personal discussions which is the order of the day. I am sorry if I hurt u in anyway, I did that only to shake u guys up, and re-focus on the topic at hand.

Thanx
Mr.Gokul ;)(now that the cat is out of the bag !)

Santosh, If you know so much about US laws you know how strict DV laws gets followed. One 911 call and you can expect justice. Why the hell girls who come here after marriage does not press this number, if they are in trouble. All most all of them are educated and smart English speaking ladies. Why they always prefer to go back to India to file (FALSE) cases? Because there is every chance, if they do so in US, they will be caught and charged for fabricating the matter where as in India they are just Goddess with tears in their eyes.
Check the immigration warnings from the consulate to know that US and Canada warns the NRIs from marriage cheating by brides in India and threat of false cases. This has not happened in a day. The same US mercenary investigated the matter and then added it to their travel warning list.
Looks like you urgently need to get wise.

Righta
"Shine in court"---since when are personal attacks or facial features or skin textures or skin colors part of the judicial trail. It seems to me more like personal digs of a resentful husband who under any circumstance needs to get back at his wife. So resorts to this. But still you know best. A divorce happens and bitter ones, but one need not resort to personal attacks of human being's looks.
I think in that case my parents taught me better. Marriages are for a life time to grow old together and wrinkles to be accepted. Yes it would make me suicidal if my wife left me coz I am bald now.

Rathor
I also know of current INTERPOL warnings issued against NRI husbands and some whose extradition process have started. Note that half the Indian NRI crowd in USA is on that Interpol list. It is all over the place. The list is even put up on the Indian embassy gates. So it is both ways.

D.V. is autocratic, one sided, malacious and sexiest.A woman can get away with what ever physical and mental torture that she hurls on the husband but the husband is liable to be persecuted even on the slightest mis-statement.
The question which is time and again revolving is that why should men then at all enter into a marriage or a live-in with a woman . In any marriage or a live-in there is bound to be mutual conflict, differences of opinion,quarrels- some mild and some severe. But the marriage goes on. But if it persists, and if the parteners ultimately decide to part, then a divorce takes place.
But D.V. lays down that at the hint of the slightest argument, a woman can claim that she has been mentally abused and can get her husband or partner booked. But the man, even in the face of the severest mental and physical onslaught by his wife or partner, has no similar redressal.
what-so-ever.
The introduction of such a blatantly twisted Act by women's organisations is hinged on the deliberate misconcept that the modern woman is the "abala, sati-savitri". We are living in the 21st century where women indulge in rampant pre-marital sex,have wanton extra-marital affairs and mentally,physically and financially torture their husbands and his family.
Hence, D.V. IS AN ACT TOTALLY OUT OF TUNE WITH THE MODERN REALITY and has been introduced with the sole purpose of "TEACHING A LESSON" to the "MALE BACKLASHERS", who are questioning some of the attitudes of the so called modern women.
IT IS TIME FOR MEN TO BE AWARE OF THE EVIL DESIGNS OF WOMEN'S ORGANISATIONS.

Do not worry, men are slowly getting aware of feminists, women's organisations and their attitudes. Men generally have sympathy for women but it seems it will slowly fade.

Women organisations are turning out to be female chauvinists.A lot of evil intent,supressed anger and malacious design has gone into the framing of the D.V. act, which is extremely apparent.
Before the passage of the Act there was no discussion in the media whatsoever. It was carried out with utmost secrecy so that men's groups would not get a hint of it and protest and scuttle the passing of the Act.

You are correct. It was a planned move with the malacious intention to control the male lash back.Protection of women is only a garb.

Have you ever thought that in this wrold bad women also are there and good men
are also there??
Do you know that Raja Harish Chandra and Raja Ram mohan was a Men only ....

So , Save indian family's on filed NGO head is not a Men , she is a Women only
... for your kind update!!!

Men are scared or not i do not know , but women like you are really scared and
all are trying to do the damage control activity , but it is too late as your AK
47 allready started to fire ..and in front of that no one will spare , let it be
men or women or child... that is the reality.
This is to update your biased and not to ready to accept the reality of 21st
century and your some jurnalist team continously prove the Male hating
articles , proved behoyend resonalbel dought that they does not have a small
honesty or wonder are they really taken a drop of a honest mother milk to
think honestly and write the honest view.

Just few months back regarding the misuse of LAW 498A Supreme court caution
to all for the Legal Terrorism of India and you all forget that very nicely
and insted of taking any corrective action,
all prefers , Just enjoy the terrorist activity of Modern Supernakha , as
Supreme court allready say , " Stop this Legal Terrorism In India " , but
who cares ?

Now your article reminds me this article for your ready reference:-
"Youngsters, if your parent's are illiterate or do not have knowledge about
the LAW, SINCERELY CAUTION YOU, BEWARE and acknowledge yourself and your
parents before marriage, else one may possibly gets trapped in a hand of
criminal almost as powerful as a felony.

Current Suicide rates in India:

"National rate: 11 persons per 100,000-IndiaStat.com

For males in the age group of 30 to 44, the Suicide rate is a whopping 508
per 100,000 persons; for women it is 220. The Suicide rate among men in the
age group of 45 to 59 is a shocking 1,812 per 100,000 persons and among
women, nearly 550. So much more people are dying due to SOWRY (reverse of
DOWRY) harassment than the DOWRY harassment. "

However, among divorced males the suicide rate is 164 per 100,000 persons,
but even in this class, among females the rate is only 63 per 100,000. While
the suicide rate for separated men is about 167, for females it is only 41
per 100,000 persons.

Above statistics are surprising but is reality. Culturally India is very
inclined/respected/supportive to women and the advantage taken by women
organizations."

Just take a Break and put your brian in a Balanced way, as this is
definetely will going to break your sleep, as this is not a Normal Criminal,
extra high profile criminal with cool hearted action plan...

Story of Kiranjit Ahluwalia is just an Example. She like thousands of other
Indian women in India and around the world is a Hard Core Criminal, who
justify her crime and got scot free. But what makes Kiranjit stand-apart is
that she found the Loope Whole deep within, which made her finally put an
end to the Story and not give any socpe to her husabnd to say the truth.
More at :
http://pariwariksuraksha.blogspot.com/

Is It the time for Making 498B and 304C ?


CC : Uma - your appreacation are in right directions .. this we want the more
they will try to destory SIF , the same will be more and more strong .. our
fight for justice will continue and all those husabnds killer will not be able
to hide any more in our society.

Current DV system falls in first category and has made regular living
of millions of men a nightmare and disaster.

For instance, I know of man whose life can be summarised as following

1) Married for 7 years, one 2 year old kid
2) Occassional skirmishes with family members by wife
3) No alcohol, smoking, physical
3) Both well educated, both working in good position except during
her pregnancy
4) They had decent 2 bedroom house in which 3 people lived.
5) They had One 2002 car driven by both
6) Married with zero dowry and shared expenses of marriage equally
7) Wife was very dear to Father-in-law since he always craved
a daughter. Both were too comfortable with each other and wife
usually counted on FIL to support her as needed.
8) They had a full time servant to assist in household chores
9) Both Parents lived within 5 kms of husband and wife and
visited once a week on average ...
10) They vacationed once a year and went overseas too

The mother of all battle started when one day wife demanded that she
must have a separate car for herself. She did have a need, which husband
was not denying. Both were sharing and cooperating in use of their one car.
Husband did calculations based on all committed expenses and told car can
only be purchased after 6 to 8 months. He did not say NO to second car,
only wanted some time to organize.

She, on the other hand, was not prepared to wait. She went and filed a
DV complaint and FALSE DOWRY case.

Result 6 months LATER:

Husband and his mother were arrested and released on bail.
He lost his job bcos of this
He now spends his days combing the road aimlessly
He sold his car
House payments are now made by his younger brother
Mother has contracted some weird skin disease and
Father-in-law has gone into depression and does not come out of his room
Their young son has contracted Asthma


And these are just the few problems caused by her complaint
I've painted a one very softened up misuse of this law against a simple
Indian family ...

I HOPE I HAVE SHOWED YOU THE REASON OF FEAR THAT YOU
HAVE SOMEHOW MISSED.

In this case described, car was actually a tip of the iceberg. With all his
vices & virtues, this guy was introvert and would never talk. At work, He often
would
stand more than necessary in lift, because he could not say "EXCUSE ME"
to person blocking the passage. As it was discovered later, wife was leaning
towards another man at her work and probably needed car so that she could
go to meet him. I do not want to bash her. I know her for long time.
She is extremely brilliant woman. In her line or work, I would go to her
without hesitation.

comment # 198: Yes, I know best, so I rest my case, on to the relevant discussion at hand....

Mr Kapadia... is 500 years old...he was born and brought up in 16th century, but is living in 21st.
I am eagerly waiting for his "well nurtured" and value oriented son to grow up and then for all the noble, good kind guy his father made him to be, he gets implciated in false dowry, 498A or DV case.

May God make Mr Kapadia's son noble, humble, kind and woman loving, because only then can he and his family will be exploited by yet another devious woman.

"The Copy Paste Tripe", watcha gonna do.... when they come for u.......

Dear Sir/ Madam,

This is in response to the article: What are men scared of? By CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA, link: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp

Many sensible social activists are much scared of increasing misuse of laws against family ethos and peace than anything else. The laws that are made with sweeping powers against the accused, without giving any of the option to prove their innocence are being heavily used as a weapon of assassin, as in the case of widespread misuse of sec. 498A of IPC, the dowry harassment law. Many lawyers say that the law of 498a has been massively misused by educated and urban-middle class wives in more than 90% of the cases against innocent husbands and their parents to blackmail them for money, property and other articles. But the major casualty is the Indian culture, society and the sacred institution of marriage that is at our core, which will erode in years to come, without any doubt.

As in this Domestic Violence Act 2005, there is a S. 32 (2) that goes even further and says that "under the sole testimony of the aggrieved person, the court may conclude that an offence has been committed by the accused".

So just realize what kind of weapons are just waiting to be targeted against the innocent families relatives, in a way of a threatening to them.

Now, at least don't assume and acclaim that why the men are so scared as it is not about men, but its about family where men and women coexists, and may be tomorrow, one could be you or your close one who would be targeted by its misuse, believe me, it has happened with many earlier.

Read the Report on Indian Marriage Problems and Issues at link: http://reportmaritalproblems.blogspot.com/

Regards
Nishant Kumar

Dear Chandrima
The unjustice that has happned under Section 498a and Dowry laws is again going to be repeated and the sucide statistics is going to continuously go worse . The obnoxious behaviouor of Rani Mukherjee in the movie Kank is not a figment of imagination but a reality which many men live .

The continuous verbal , physical and mental abuse faced by men has lead to around 23000 men commiting sucide driven by wife and this is not my statistics . This is statistics from WHO on the difference.

Many men who are tortured unable to meet the lifestyle demand of thier wife , taunts by in laws for not bringing enough moolah for meeting the materialistic demand end thier lives . Some of them also happen to be farmers.

Does this not haunt you that married men's suicide is higher then unmarried mens sucide where are there is no differnce in suicide rate between married and unmarried women. A simple higher rate of sucide by men in India it is 2:1( Crime bureau of In dia 2004 ) is sufficient to conclude that men need emotional and mental protection from harassment.The innocent Autorickshaw driver in karimnagar who jumped off the tall builinding , Aswath kumar , Manjunath all need the protection .

Men do not have a right of justice currently . Under the DV law men will also loose the right of protection against injustice.

When Womens organisations make up statistics in your article which any Gynaecologist will tell you is simply not true in their sample obviously the womens organisation statistics has come to light.

This is not a law . A law allows for investigation , fair trial , hearing from both parties before passing any orders .

The collective experince of men in the section 498a where in there evidences which they have plenty are nver even considered a reality . let me quote a Retired Juge on the preface of Dowry Harassment Handbook
a. "I was once invited to lecture on human rights at police training college .While discussing about faulty investigation and misuse of the some of the statutes DSP said that the instructions in Dowry prohibition act are , they need to examine on the girl's side only .I asked whether it was not necessary to examine the boys side to find out the truth . He said their instructions are that accused should be directed to prove their innocence in the court . I was shocked . The judgment of Supreme court in Nandini Satpati case ( AIR 1978 SC 1025 and many other judgments including those of Privy council have been safely forgotten Even the police standing orderOr. 566 hs not been followed

This has been the colelctive experience and clearly the law is made with an intention for "men to suffer " as one lady said on TV who happens to be one of the ministers. IF this is the stance and approach it is no wonder that men are right to fear when they make the mistake of marriying an abusive wife the tribe of which seems to increasing becuase it has become profitable to be abusive. Injustice is only going to increase .
In no other criminal law is any financial advantage provided to a complainant . This si the unique law providing a financial advantage to abusive complainant. with no repurcussion on being abusive. the massive misuse of Dowry laws have demonstarted that given incentives and no deterrent people will jump the bandwagon for gain .
It is not a wonder given this background that man men fear this law will be applied in ideological fashion in a mechanical way as complaining women good , others bad.

Contributed by SIF veteran and online columnist Bharathi(aka Pandurangi Reddy Bharati, who is referred to in this article)

Dear Ms. Chandrima,

In your article "What are men scared of?" in The
Telegraph (link:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp)
you said, "But I was just wondering what made the men
feel so threatened. There doesn't seem to be much
reason."

People who do not understand why men feel threatened
by the Domestic Violence Act will probably not even be
able to imagine why women would feel threatened by
this Act. Anyone who has been awake the last two
decades knows how section 498A of IPC has been heavily
misused, dragging innocent men and women into police
stations, lock-ups and courts, thus depriving many
young children of a happy childhood, many youth of
productive careers and many senior citizens of mental
peace in the last leg of their lives. Whoever said
that India "loves to pass acts that will never be
implemented", must take a look at how IPC section 498A
has been not only very poorly formulated but how badly
it has been implemented.

As if this 498A fiasco is not enough jingoistic
feminists have come up with another Act, along the
same lines of 498A only with larger loopholes waiting
to be used against many more Indian citizens. As, you,
Ms. Chandrima point out, many women who really need
protection from Domestic Violence will probably never
know about it and even if they do, never use it. This
law will be yet another weapon in the hands of
unscrupulous women who will misuse it at the slightest
opportunity. If men were living on an Island and have
nothing to do with the rest of their family and the
law is doing some sort of negative selection against
genuinely abusive men, then there would be no problem.
However, in a society where men and women live
together what affects one affects the other. When a
man is thrown out of his own house under true or false
allegations of domestic violence or cruelty everyone
who is dependent on him is bound to suffer. That will
include dependent parents and siblings who can be male
or female. It is unfair enough to penalize an entire
family even if an accused man is truly abusive. Unfair
is a subtle word to describe a situation in which an
innocent man, along with his family, is tortured by
misuse of law. Injustice is a subtle word to describe
how women, who commit perjury and harass families for
years on end go unpunished.

Many men suffer in silence in India unable to meet the
unending financial and emotional needs of their wives.
Some of them even face physical violence. This section
of the Indian population is completely missed by the
radar either intentionally or because men are too
embarrassed to admit their misery lest they be labeled
as sissies who cannot fix problems in their homes. On
the other hand many a men who belong to this category
are facing threats or fighting false cases filed
against them by their wives.

Domestic violence is committed by men and women and it
is not always directed against the opposite sex. This
is even more true considering the wide range of areas
covered by the Domestic Violence Act. Where do
husbands harassed by wives seek retribution? Where do
women harassed by their daughters-in-law or
sisters-in-law seek protection? In fact every family
that has so far been falsely accused and tormented in
the name of Section 498A has been subjected to
Domestic Violence as defined by the law. The only
catch is that not everyone is covered by the law. On
the other hand, victims of Domestic Violence are ever
more vulnerable and at risk of being legally harassed
by thoughtless women. That, Ms. Chandrika, is what all
of us men and women are scared about.

Contributed by SIF member(a lady!, yes ladies get stuck in this quicksand too, that's what we are talking about, Monsieur) and a co-accused along with her brother in 498a, who remains anonymous because of legalities

I can't disclose my identity due to pending
litigation.
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Chandrima,

DVA and 498A are acts that say that you are guilty unless you prove yourself innocent. These two acts start by grouping all men with the boors, the abusers, the morons and the losers.

If these acts are supposed to protect women, then you should also remember that our mothers and sisters are women and not just the "wives"

This instant, my mother and my sisters are in jail charged under 498A. I can't get them out on bail as the ex-father in law is a local goon and is pretty well connected.

My ex is living here in the US since the last two
years. She never lived with them for more than 20-30 days at the most collectively. Please tell me, how does one harrass a person you have not spoken to or seen or exchanged emails with in years ?

I know what domestic violence is. I also know what dowry harrassment is. I am for the protection of women and I would really like to see this pernicious thing called dowry disappear.

But the times have changed and 498A is actually an extortion tool and not a law any more. DVA will be used as an extortion tool as well.

Here is my question. Why would a woman want to live with anyone who is an abuser or one who demands dowry ? If financial dependence is the only reason to do so, then the law should address that.

The reaction by men to DVA and 498A is not about male hegemony or males losing "Control". This is about the basic tenets of decency and rights afforded under the constitution which says that you are innocent until you prove yourself guilty.

DVA and 498A empower unscrupulous women and do nothing to empower the vast majority of the silent sufferers which now include the sisters and mothers of men who are born in this land and were/are married to unscrupulous women.

Forget about women. Thanks to these acts, the guys who are laughing all the way to the bank are the cops and the lawyers.

I hope that you didn't write this article because it's fashionable to pose as a feminist or because it was sure to provoke a reaction and get some attention.

Regardless, I do hope that you are never subjected to the kind of blackmail that I am being subjected to right now or ever see the inside of a prison.

I did sense some hurt in your article and i sincerely hope that you have not come to know a man only as a boor, a moron or an abuser. These kind of men exist, but form a subset of the male population, just as unscrupulous women form a subset of the female population.

I also hope that you'd think twice before you write this kind of tripe again.

Regards

-J

Contributed by SIF member(a lady!, yes ladies get stuck in this quicksand too, that's what we are talking about, Monsieur),who remains anonymous because of legalities

Hi all,
At least in previous days, Sec 498A (2), has given the power to notorious
ladies to make complaint that husbands harass them to demand property ie
money or gold.
In my so many mails, I wrote about my case, ie 498A is meant for general
harassment or any motive shoud be there?
But now it is cleared that, there can be no demand and if you talk to your
wife with a hyper pitch tone, then that is enough to book you under 498A.
Enough scope for more and more false cases.
Ultimate Indian Legal Machinery will going to be very busy in writing FIRs,
issuing Charge Sheets, blah blah altogther just for running more and more
false cases
Women liberation is nothing but threatening innocent males.
Once they kill their husbands, they are free.
But if they kill they will be booked under Sec 302 of IPC.
If husband commits suicide, they are not guilty and they are not booked.
Women Liberation starts and ends with the death of their husbands.
It is Indian Law.
We are true Indians and faithful followers of Law.
regards
Ramnath(SIF member)

my mail to chandrima is as below:

dear chandrima,

i just read your article.

well you are asking what are men really scared of?
the men on the streets are not the ones who abused their wife, they are the ones who are abused. they are the ones who have to cook the food(in some cases), or serve self, or get the homework done of kids only because the wife is busy watching saas bahu serial. all after a stressful working day with pressure of earning money.and then also perform better than last so that he may avoid the impotency tag for a few more days. (it is tough under stress and at gunpoint, its official, i can put you to so many cases since i also handle helpline) in spite of them doing all the chores and putting money, they are scared of misuse of the law.

the bashers are all enjoying life, where as their wives is not making use of the law. where as surpanakhas are.
read my article that coined the term of modern surpanakha and sita and this campaign. for better understanding of this terms.
http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com/2005/08/498a-made-for-sita-but-surpanakhas-are.html

read other articles too. on http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com one after the other in series, you will realise the plight of a male who is afraid of this law being misused on his sister, sister in law, father and brother. the guys on the streets are not anti women
and mother.

i repeat
the guys on the streets are not anti women

pls don't be so inconsiderate in categorising all the men as bashers do make way for good guys too who can be like your brother who has the same family values like you. after all these guys are also someones brothers and sons and fathers too. we do call a surpanakha a surpanakha. but sita a sita and we have them in our group.

our fight is that law is inconsiderate and wife centric. and has a lot of scope of misuse with no machinery of penalty to back up on misuse. i hope you would not mix up on the two things hence forth.

we are all about domestic harmony. i have been straight forward on certain issues for better understanding and representation.

pls feel free to write back. this is in the right spirits.

kind regards,

jinesh zaveri.

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- Mahatma Gandhi in "My Experiments with Truth" Part 4 - Chapter 39.

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Kapadia's and etal ...some food for thought...
I am ashamed and embarrassed to narrate you my story.
The bitch and daughter of the most dilapidated dog I accidentally got married to through matrimonial column is perhaps the most crooked woman one could ever imagine.
Now listen carefully and believe it if you can...
my f**king wife told me the first week that his fucking father sexually assaulted her when she was in class 8 and so did his father's friend on numerous occasions and now these two bastards (my FIL and my wife) have joined hands and planted a totally false 498A case against me. This is when if you can believe me, I never ever discussed this issue ever since she first told me. We never abused her for the 30 days she stayed with my family.
This is just a trailer...My story does not start here and end here, but since i can be caught in litigation i have to be careful...

Now Two things arise...
1) My wife would have been telling me truths...in that case you can see for yourself the kind of family they are.
2) My wife was playing some sympathy card and she like all other woman do. was lying...imagine a mean girl who can defame her parents in front of her husband for all 25-30 odd years she spent with them for cheap gain of sympathy...what kind of cheap woman would she be.
Infer for yourself.
Now when i go and tell anybody the first impression is that i am trying to defame my in-laws as an after thought...but over here on the anonymous web platform I guess I gain/loose nothing by putting truth upfront.
From what i have undergone...I have been assured that rape and sexual assault is derogatory only to patriarchal MCPs. For Women rape sexual assault blah blah is just a means to earn sympathy. Rape comes very natural to a woman and she does not feel any guilty on embarrassment inwards. But yes outwardly, she wants to win sympathy from everybody so she cribs and wails about it lying to everybody just like any other creature of same gender.
MCPs who are looking for sexual favours, provide protectionist attitude and shelter to women causes under the genetically hard wired sub conscious thought, that having erased/removed/defeated one more male from sexual competition, there is an increase(even if miniscule) in probability of finding that available mate for having some more sex.

[personal attack deleted]

Santosh,
"So it is both ways". After so much of discussion now you agree that its both ways. But where are the protection laws for Men and their families. If situation exists both ways then why the hell we have laws which are one way. Why can't we make a balanced law which can protect the interest of real victims and at the same time protect innocents from getting harassed? Do our law makers are as DUMB of Biased in views as their followers?

And to clear your another confusion on current INTERPOL warnings on NRI Husbands here are the facts:
1>Travel warning from brides in India who are cheats - was put by US Govt. after their own investigation, where as
2> INTERPOL warnings on NRI Husbands - Is pushed by Indian Govt. under extreme pressure from NCW. US agency has accepted the Indian Govt. request on her Face value.
If you do not know the ideology of NCW of vote bank politics, please research a bit on your own.

I do not have to agree with you on everything.

It would have put you in better light if you would have presented both sides of the case instead of clinging on to gender wars.

Do not be political Mr. Santosh Kapadia. All NGOs, NCW -funded by the tax payer's money are there to voice for one gender with unidirectional attitude. If a person wants to voice the concern for bringing harmony and protect the other gender, he in advance becomes a criminal. Even his miseries which include his mother and sisters too is mocked and laughed at. According to you I have got two options, either try to come in better light by sticking to the unidirectional approach and die or fight for justice and live.
I choose to live.

A Blessing - Written by Vivekananda The Mother's heart, the hero's will, The softest flowers' sweetest feel; The charm and force that ever sway The altar-fire's flaming play; The strength that leads, in love obeys; Far-reaching dreams, and patient ways, Eternal faith in Self, in all, The light Divine in great, in small; All these and more than I could see, Today may "Mother" grant to thee!


See Mother how these sons have abused you.

Guys, If we provoke the feminists, then they will write against us
and discuss about us as done by "CHANDIma Bitch".

That will give us free publicity and more and more men will know
about us. As more men join us, we have more capability to tell to
more and more men about it.

Once all men get Vaccinated by SIF, the bitches will really have a
tough time (as men will get fully wired to record all the physical,
mental, economic violence that that face from their wives).

Lets also advertise in Indian websites using Google adwords so that
more and more men can reach us.

We also need to tell men to stop marrying and start livein relations
even if it meant spending a lot of money on the female. Then, we
should tell the religious conservatives that feminists and
politicians are breaking families. Conservatives are still the
majority in India. They will screw the feminists and the politicians.

Dear Bharti Ji,

Under the DV law men will also loose the right of protection against injustice.
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Forget about to get justice, Indian husabnds do not deserve to get protection for injustice in India as ... some tom , dick or harry 100 yeras ago have done some injustice to some bad women!!!

And in 21st century , the first word from Honerabale minister was..." Now it turns to suffer all the men". But is per me it is not the men it is the time to suffer all honest people , let it be men/women/child as "Terrorism" kill only innocent .

But unable to understand why media want to hide the sucide stastics???
Wonder , waht happend to all honest jurnalist , and why they are so much afrid to disclose the same in front of Public???


On 11/2/06, Bharati wrote:
Dear Chandrima
The unjustice that has happned under Section 498a and Dowry laws is again going to be repeated and the sucide statistics is going to continuously go worse . The obnoxious behaviouor of Rani Mukherjee in the movie Kank is not a figment of imagination but a reality which many men live .

The continuous verbal , physical and mental abuse faced by men has lead to around 23000 men commiting sucide driven by wife and this is not my statistics . This is statistics from WHO on the difference. <<<>>>
BY Swarup Sarkar, Senior SIF Member and Evangelist(in Reply to Pandurangi Reddy Bharathi(who is quoted in the 'root' Article), as appearing in the comment# 208, also a Senior SIF member and evangelist)

Comment#213: "MCPs who are looking for sexual favours, provide protectionist attitude and shelter to women causes under the genetically hard wired sub conscious thought, that having erased/removed/defeated one more male from sexual competition, there is an increase(even if miniscule) in probability of finding that available mate for having some more sex."............. "Somebody who already Commented".......... I don't know, for sure, what's the reality in your case, but I agree to the above line of thought, about males feeling obliged to think in favour of a woman ,even when he sees a lot of men helplessly trying to get out of the turmoil they are pushed into by unscrupulous wives/girls, who would almost always lie about the reality. This "Common unaffected" man would not believe that women could be such cold-blooded predators who tries to target her target-victim's emotional stability and his above 'soft-corner' for women, which is conditioned in him by centuries of culture and traditional upbringing- these 'common unaffected but fixated, and un-inquisitive male types will only sit and think about the 'conspiracy theories' when the killer meteorite smashes his planet(or beliefs, self-imposed but stupid sensitivities, and his out-of-touch-with-reality dogmas!) into smithereens, then he will sit-up and realize , yes this was what SIF talked on that day.......... Welcome to Armageddon , where u either stand alone and wither away or you team-up with other 'Born again Men' and fight for justice even if it's a fight till death.... This is the reality monsieur, this is the truth, it may be bitter, but u will do better to verify and realize this ASAP, lest we meet a bit for the Apocalypse, sooner the better, we need to save this society from moral decay and mindless destruction

If we have Christian and Muslim theologies ready to get on the war path(some say that's the actual apocalypse which has been talked about in mythology) , we already have wars between Male and Female genders, as an undercurrent in our societies for a long time, this disturbing and avoidable trend is assuming dangerous proportions, that's a worrying specter, and that's why we need to ACT NOW.


I would also add another point about why a man feels compelled, if not for this sub-conscious need for advancing in the queue in the "mating game!".... this propensity to side women mindlessly comes from the conditioning which makes us think that "all women are helpless, weak and defenseless and we are supposed to be the 'Knights in Armour' who are responsible for protecting her against any harm, even at our own peril(that's supposed to be a Gentleman's hallmark, to lay his life down for a lady, yes I too believed it, but now I know better; like being cautious about the possibility of back-stabbed when you least expect it by the same lady you would have laid you life in the line of fire!).

This conditioning is in line with the age-old "Rakhi" tradition, when rakhi was instituted as a way to ensure protection to women by making men their 'mooh bolah' brothers(adopted brothers or whatever one may call this 'Rakhi').

While females(can't call them ladies or even women, and I am not talking about each every female on the face of this earth, I am talking about some malignant strain/breed of the female kind) have evolved and taken to predatory, 'imperialistic', & selfish manipulations and who would wrongly take recourse to lopsided laws, and misuse these draconic laws which inherently lack any degree of rudimentary checks and balances, feigning with some false pretext(the laws which they(or malignant money-making, power-mongering lobbies of these sick feminazies/females) push through leaving logic and 'natural justice' and other primal Maxims of all laws, in lurch(Maxims of Law including not an Innocent should be convicted even if 100 criminals escape the "net" of Law- leave alone 1 innocent, lakhs of innocent victims of misuse of these gender biased laws are wallowing in the dark and trying to team up with their brethren who are like minded, of similar fate or just plain just and honest, good Samaritans).

And in between these struggles to try and get our society evolve in the direction, simpletons driven by love of poetry or plain pompous gay abandon, end up quoting poems in which are very 'nice' but perfectly out of context when you consider that they are directed as taunts at members of SIF J (referring to comment # 217). But if 'null' had changed his comment after the poem as "See Mother how these sons of yours are taking on to what you had wished", ... then it would have been an excellent tribute to some of those hardworking, selfless activists of SIF who are selflessly spending mighty man-hours online and offline to make a difference. The efforts which would be cherished by our successors(including the children of the same detractors of SIF and similar uprisings, who are now mindlessly opposing our messages and intend, leave alone not agreeing to our cause, they don't even allow a patient hearing of what we are clarifying, that "we are here to try and reduce the misuse, if not eliminate it- not to take away these rightful recourses which women obviously need - we are not here to increase the gender divide, we are here to reduce it by accepting both genders as important and blissfully different/complimentary in unison, and hence both deserve an equal footing".

An equal footing cannot be achieved before we, as a start, eliminate the 'glaring' bias in the laws like IPC 498a and DV Act, which almost assumes that violence, cruelty or harassment are ambit of the "male form" only!, what's this absurd logic about?, where has it come from. Yes, we all observe that more women get abused/violated/oppressed/harassed than males in a marital set-up(but this as a proportion compared to males being oppressed in a marital set-up is increasing thanks to these draconic laws), but please introduce checks and balances to prevent misuse by anybody and which ensures the genuine victim, irrseptive of gender gets justice.

I hope to have a consensus on the fact that our aim should not be to mould a legislature which is wide open for misuse and which will put men and their families(which includes sisters and mothers, who do not possibly qualify as "women"!) at perpetual risk and liable to oppression, unduly disadvantaged and manipulation.

With this I hope to have ur favourable audience and articulate discussions, be good to your selves and other's(who might not "seem" to have a privileged life, as you seem to be having). Don't just sit and spit out roobish as they say ;), enjoyyy life anyway.

The Men like Michael Caines in movie "Blame it on Rio" are the first ones to encourage the girl to put 498a.

These guys first have physical relationship with innocent young girls (especially daughters of their friends) and later on they use their clout to screw their future husband.

The so called logical, rational men, who have physical relationships with their sisters and daughters are the ones who encourage the females to file false cases of 498a and indulge in legal terrorism.

The Govt of US has given travel warning against the unscrupulous females and their incestous fathers and brothers. Supreme Court of India has warned against Legal Terrorism under 498a and told parliament to modify the law.

The parliament did nothing to stop misuse of 498a and jailing of innocent old and sick elders. Now, they bring in a highly one-sided Domestic Violence Law which can be applied to increase the torture on men before is filed 498a.

The counsellors and protection officers will be as corrupt as today's police and if the wife's parents have got all contacts, they will screw the guy, rape his sister and get away by using the fear of Domestic Violence Law.

In Orissa, a female was raped first by her brother's in-laws and then she was put in jail by police.

The current DV Law gives no protection to a lady if her daughter abuses her. The lady can get jailed if she objects to the verbal, mental invectives and abuse by a the father and brothers of her daughter-in-law.

Shabana Azmi (when she was young) acted in a movie called AVATAR where her daughter-in-law accuses her of Theft and throws her and her husband(Dilip kumar) away from the house.

Today, Shabana Azmi and Hema Malini can shout in favour of 498a (and jailing of innocent elders) and now they can support DV Law.

Many times brothers employ their sisters as prostitutes. When their husbands object, the brothers and the females put 498a on the husbands.

There are thousands of permutations and combinations.

Once Video and Audio (recorded) evidence can save the men and expose the terrorist women. The crocodile tears will be of no use then.

The MCPs are supporting DV law because the violent never get into any legal problems in India.

Whoa....no one is spared!

I need to keep my partner away from all this.

[EDITED]

I dont undertand what wrote. Jail?? what does that mean? How can you guess about my partner..what is the base...Ahhh...the same as the way you have illusions of violence against men.

Why do you care who my partner is. Who is yours under those several multiple Ids

In anycase , you are free to visit my home and loving family, hoping for the best that my toddler gives you some inspiration ie love for thy family.

But the only thing I am scared ;( of when my husband meets you lest he get infected with your thoughts.

Recent study show that women are just as likely to physically attack their male partners as vice versa.

Women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.


Several studies of domestic violence have suggested that males and females in relationships have an equal likelihood of
acting out physical aggression, although differing in tactics and potential for
causing injury.

Women assailants will more likely throw something, slap, kick, bite, or punch their partner, or hit them with an object.
While males will more likely beat up their partners, and choke or strangle them.

[please use small letters to make your point]

Renuka Chowdhury, Minister for Women and Child Development,Government of India says that, around 70 per cent of women in India
were victims of domestic violence in
some form.

Domestic violence has been admitted as a common
Matrimonial problem in Indian Society in general.

Why then the "MOIA" and "NCW" are maligning "NRI" & "PIO"
Comunity based in US abd UK ?

There are around 70 per cent broken Homes in INDIA itself as a result of
FAILED AND FRAUDULENT MARRIAGES !!!

Join the SIF group. Get vaccinated and be protected for life from women

SIF vaccination---100% results---protection for life.

Soon India will have reputation of Domestically Violent Nation.

Indian Women have ceased to be protected by their near and
dear ones !!!

Indian Women will now be protected by the Police !!!

But who will protect the Indian Women from the Indian Police,
which is known as world's biggest criminal mafia in uniform ?

"Null" comment 229: Women have laws to protect them from what you are fearing too, they now have laws and more laws, but the problem is that they won't have in-laws or sane partners in the process.

But its also that : If its law, its gonna be an ASS(since law is an Ass, which doesnt discern anything which is not presented to it in a manner it understands before it gives an unemotional verdict!)

So women will now have to be happy of being proected by as "ASS", how sad :), but some enjoy this fact, ha, null bai, some still would enjoy it... how do u and me care a damn anyways, we are Born again Men, who have almost been shown the "other world" by these Asses combine!.
(Aman and websmater's the names are not being remebered by ur webpages and hence many a comment is by "Null", do take care).

"In Orissa, a female was raped first by her brother's in-laws and then she was put in jail by police."
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Not a bad Idea Sumanth!!!!
Whole sale free lincence to rape a girl , only thing you need to be a Brother of such 498a girl..right??

Mr.Reporter,

Its the Indian Courts and Indian parliament who are giving whole sale licence. I am a small fish.

Just look at Jessica Lal case. The courts and the judiciary and law enforcement system need to take responsibility.

In stead, if innocent men are crucified by picking them from anywhere, then women will have a much tougher time ahead.

Well, the choice is upto people like you.

If biased laws remain in place, then we SIF members will scare the the men in all over the country. We have enough time to do all that. Now, we are monetarily strong enough to create awareness amoung men. As it continues, Men will decide how to lead their lives. They will decide whether to live-in or to get married (lose money, lose mind).

Media bias has created huge opportunity for us. If I publish a book tomorrow on these topics, I may make millions. Its a completely inexplored terrotory and we have the research with us. PhD guys are approaching us from India and abroad.

"These women have got habituated to be dependent on husbands pay and harassing them and her in laws on her tunes. It is a gross violation of human rights.making a woman independent only can can let makeher right choices in her life and be happy."

Well I am not Indian, but feel that an outsider's comments might be helpful here.

First of all women everywhere have become dependent on men, not just in the aspect of husband's pay but in every aspect...and that will not change overnight.

So I think men will have to be patient with this and try to work within the intent of the law whichi is to protect women, who have been the victims of domestic violence, forced marriages, abandonment as children, etc., in every society since humanity first crawled out of the primal mists.

I don't think the law should be disregarded because a few cases of women abusing it have come to light over a few years. Those women should be properly punished but the intent of the law should still be honored which is to protect vulnerable women and their children...

"Recent study show that women are just as likely to physically attack their male partners as vice versa.

Women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners."

Many of these studies were put out in the west by men attempting to eviscerate our domestic violence laws here...they frequently try to equate a woman who might slap a man in an argument with a man who breaks a woman's nose by punching her in the face.

They have tried to include within the definition of domestic violence the 'crime' of 'using sex as a weapon' in other words not wanting to sleep with your husband after an argument...Or not wishing to cook for your husband as a form of domestic violence...

Total nonsense...

Don't pay too much attention to these attempts by mens rights advocates to mess with your domestic violence laws the way they have screwed up ours here.

Dear NY mom, have you ever been out of NY and gone to India to even have any idea what we all are talking about? Just save your advice for someone naive and dumb enough to believe you.

An Indian woman.

"I don't think the law should be disregarded because a few cases of women abusing it have come to light over a few years. Those women should be properly punished but the intent of the law should still be honored which is to protect vulnerable women and their children..."

NYMOM,

Try getting your son married to a nasty Indian woman and get falsely accused and get screwed by our police, lawyers and courts. Then you can discuss at length as to what lengths India should go to "protect" its women. We know our reality better. Thanks for trying to provide an outsider's perspective though. Hope you also understand all the insiders' perspective which is based on hard facts and bitter reality.

Dear Sir/Madam,

I have to protest against your arcticle

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp

It seems that the journalist has not done any reasearch on the subject and has just expressed her views in a half baked manner - pretty similar to how this law was drafted. Allow me to quote some of her comments.

"What happens when every day, after a hectic time at the office, the woman comes and sees the floor strewn with empty plastic bottles, which means that not only she has to put them back, but also fill them with filtered water? Then the wait at the filter? Then to find that an empty pizza box is lying on the bed? To find that the fan had not been switched off, though he left home later and came back earlier? That the clothes are all to be folded, while he watches the recap of how India lost because they played Dhoni at number six? To feel too tired by the end of dinner to give in to his wish -- of watching a movie together? To have to scream at him, though that's not how it should have been at all? Day after day after day? "

You want a law to be made for these things ? Do you have any common sense at all ? and what would the law say - jail a man if he happens to be unclean ? (This is not to say that all men are !!) Are you totally out of your mind ? Then, should they make laws for women who fret over which dress is better, or who constantly blabber about which star was wearing what dress ? or who are constant clean freaks !!

The unfortunate fact is that you just want to dominate and control your man. That is the agenda that you are trying to pursue here. You seem to think that men exist only to serve a woman. This is what is called feminazism. You are not for gender equality. You are for gender domainance. You and your kinds want to terrorize men by legally binding him.

"But it leaves out some notoriously unspoken facts about the tortures of living with a man. They can lead to slow death for the woman. "

So, you are against living with a man. It is pretty clear that you abhor marriages and consider cohabiting with a man a "slow death". However, most women find their men a pillar of strength, who stick with them through highs and lows. The men teach the kids to how to protect and take care of families and how to be responsible. Men and women make a family and are equals in it. What role an individual plays in a relationship is best left to the couple. No laws can define that.

I would have loved to blast your arguments (or the lack thereof) to pieces, however, that would assume that you are capable of understanding logic. And oh ! about not living with a man, dont worry, any reasonably intelligent man who has read this article of yours, would rather stay away from you, given that you are still living in a fairy tale in which there are no responsibilities ("The Daily Grind" as you mention). Do all of us a favor. Please dont mess up the seriousness of this issue with the biggest problem in your life .. which seems to be waiting for the water to be filtered.

The fact is that you are trivializing this debate over the domestic violence law. Forget about being compelling , your arguments are uncohesive and ill defined .. much like your article. However, the saddest part is that they lack sincerity.

Journalism is a very responsible profession and it is apparent that you need a lot of growing up to do before you can take on this responsibility.

Mr. Editor, If Telegraph wants to keep its reputation of a respected newspaper intact, please hire responsible journalists. I have posted this article on various journalism forums as a "fine example" of what goes in the name of journalism nowadays.

In any case, if you want a more serious debate on the domestic violence law, please visit the following links , http://savemarriages.wordpress.com
http://givemejustice.wordpress.com

Regards,
Nishant

PS - Chandrima, now dont you go and cry in the arms of the misguided women organizations and hopefully you will not file any false cases of violence (sexual or otherwise) against men around you, just because you are not happy with how your life has turned out !!

(Written by an individual fighting for gender equality)

Well when you post on the internet which is a universal territory, so to speak, you have to expect people from other locales to comment.

AND I have no sons, only daughters. But guess what: I wouldn't want them marrying your sons if they have your entitled attitude.

Okay.

Just to let you know.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-322617,curpg-2.cms

SUNDAY DEBATE: Is verbal abuse domestic violence? No. Read the full article at the link above

1. Husband pegs a tent outside wife's house

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=76498

2. Home truth: Alleging harassment by wife, man stages dharna

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=207844

News Contents :

1. Husband pegs a tent outside wife's house

Husband pegs a tent outside wife's house
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Thursday, November 02, 2006 at 1950 hours IST

Phagwara, November 2: Allegedly tormented by his wife, a bank employee resorted a novel form of protest pegging a tent in front of his wife's house and saying he would continue to stay there till 'justice' was done to him.

Paramjit Singh Lamba placed a cot, chairs and other items of daily use in the tent and put up a banner saying 'Patni Peedat' (tormented by wife).
Lamba said that his wife Jatinder Kaur had assaulted him with an iron rod while he was asleep in his house in September last year. He alleged he had suffered grievous injuries and remained in hospital for many days then.
He charged his wife was not allowing him to enter in the house since September three last year.

"I had repeatedly knocked at the doors of police, given complaints to it but nothing had been done so far", rued Lamba.
"Even though the interim order of the court had said that both husband and wife could stay in the house, I was not allowed entry into the house by my wife and forced to live like a gypsy," he claimed.
"The women's wing of police here had also given a favourable decision", Lamba added.
Police said it could intervene in the matter only after it got a direct order from a court.
Though Jatinder was not available for comment, she had earlier alleged that it was her husband who was harassing her.

2. Home truth: Alleging harassment by wife, man stages dharna

Home truth: Alleging harassment by wife, man stages dharna

Express News Service

Jalandhar, November 2: More than a week after the Domestic Violence Act gave voice to women, a man alleging harassed by his wife, sat on a dharna in front of his house and is seeking help from police to enter his house.
Paramjit Singh Lamba, a bank officer with Punjab and Sindh Bank in Banga and a resident of Vishkarma Colony in Phagwara, today pegged a tent outside his house and sat on a dharna.


He said he got married in 1987 to Jatinder Kaur and his divorce petition is pending in the court for the last four years. He alleged that his wife was not allowing him to enter his own house despite the fact that the court has allowed him to live there.
He demanded police protection from his wife and also filed a complaint against her. Interestingly, his wife has also lodged a complaint with the women wing of the police.
Phagwara Assistant Superintendent of Police Sukhchain Singh said without any direction from the court police cannot interfere.
Meanwhile, in the evening, police went to the spot and uprooted his tent and asked him to not to create nuisance. SHO (City) Gurwinder Singh also visited the spot though the area comes under Sadar Police.

Dear Friends,

I am please to blog this on behalf of this 17 Yr Old College going Girl, She Writes

I being a 21st Century Girl doesn't believe that India is a male dominated country because now-a-days abla's are sabla's I mean to say that today's generation women always want to get something which is new branded and which also has a status symbol that too sitting at home without earning anything. This whole pressure comes on the poor husband who has to listen to his parents, to his in-law, to his boss to his children's demand too. Irrespective of his demand he has to fulfill his family demand first.

If demand is not fulfilled by him then he has to listen to his wife's taunts, his children's frustration to face other problems too. Husbands also have only one person to whom they can talk i.e. to their wife, But dominating nature of wives make them more angry and violent due to which male remove their frustration in form of anger and violence. After that, the spouse or man's better half do the propaganda of their so called plight without thinking about their husband's mental status. Thus, adding fuel to fire. They do this with their sure shot and powerful weapon i.e. Tears. Some wives are so great that they directly go to the cops without thinking once about the consequences on their husbands and his family members, Due to which males like (Ram) have to suffer a lot.

This thought of mine can be explained with my personally witnessed experience some days back in my friend's case. She was genuinely eve teased by some notorious guys in her neighborhood. Her father came to know about this incidence and he called the cops. The guys were taken to question by the police. But to my surprise the police did not even question us at all!!! They took us on face value and the guys were bashed royally by police. And we were not even questioned at all. I could sense the loop hole that I hear many elder married guys stuck in divorce who talks about it, like the one in my neighborhood. Before which I had no whiff about the whole thing.

I asked the police if we could leave and he understood my gesture on face. And he said to us that "You are like our daughters and we have now to be extra cautious about our image too, especially after the rape cases"

And that is where after the NC was lodged I could make out that men are really really vulnerable and women is actually dominating men using men (police) and law to the maximum of their advantage.

No doubt my friends' grievance was genuine but the statement of the police and the treatment given to the accused at the face value of the whole matter made my conscience prick me to the extent of telling me that thank god I do not have a brother else he could have been victimized and would have been equally vulnerable to this attitude of the police.

"That keeps me pondering on the question that "Is India Really a Male Dominated Country???"


Sneha Kala.
XII Commerce, C-11.
Thakur College

NYMOM,

Have you forgotten story of what actor Christian Slater's wife did to him? He got 20 stiches. And you are preaching here about virtues of women.

Do not worry. Looks like you are conveying the pathetic state of women in your country (ie. the enlightened MODERN United States of America). This Bullshit country is only 300 years old compared to 3000 years of Indian Civilisation which influenced China, Japan, Middle East, Ruled Far east for centuries.

I fully agree that the situation of women is pathetic in US, Europe and all developed countries including Taiwan and Japan in east.

Women in these Modern, Developed countries have to sleep with 500 Men before they can even think of getting married. Same way, Men sleep with 500 women before they get married. Many men and women do not marry at all.

Do not worry, Indian Libertarians and Male Chauvinistic pigs (supporting DV/VAWA Law) will bring Indian Women to that very state in just 2 years.

Just look, not even a single Indian woman is commenting in this post here. Because most Indian women do not want such a "prostitute for free" role for women in India. The Western feminists have screwed the Indian Women and whatever power they have.

India is progressing fast towards where many modern countries in east and west are. Premarital sex will increase 20 folds every year till all boys and girl start having casual sex from age of 15.

To Indian Women:
Welcome to the New World Order.

Battles can be fought with shock-and-awe, blitzkrieg etc.

But one of the strategies used in modern warfare is to take on the
communications infrastructure of the enemy. Once, a portion of the
nervous system gets crippled, the enemy gets weakened considerably.

Many creatures including snakes use poison to cripple the prey's
nervous system.

Shock-and-awe can be used only when you have high degree of
superiority over the enemy. So, it will not work in our case.

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So, how to cripple the "feminist lobbies" which are holding onto our
continous onslaught for change in 498a and other family laws?
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1) There are about 5000 to 10,000 feminist intellectuals, writters
who run the inner core of the Feminist Lobby.

2) We need to locate and list them in our database.

3) Then, our specialised teams will engage them just the way we
engage feminists in blogosphere. One of our senior member can take on
10 such feminists in one go.

4) Feminist push themselves with hate and anger. Both these
attributes are like Gun-Powder. When subjected in controlled
quantities and focused, Gun Powder can do a lot of damage. But, if
enemy iginites the gun powder storage, the end will be shift.

Same way, we can use feminist anger/hatred against them by
provoking them continuously. This continuous provocation will disable
their creative faculties and they will start avoiding the feminist
topics.

5) So, we have to bombard these 5000-10000 feminist writters,
professors with mails, letters etc. When their theories are
challenged and provoked, these creatures will go blind with anger and
start making blunders in their literature.

6) We need to prepare Multilinguage pamplets and PDFs for
distribution. Our local chapters will distribute them in different
states.

7) We need to send 498a related CDs to all at least 2000 senior
feminists. This will greatly frustrated them and force them to get
defensive and then, they will start making blunders.

8) We need to distribute another 2000 CDs to Judges, politicians etc.


This entire operation spanning about "6 months" will cripple enemy
thought process.
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Get vaccinated by SIF---100% results and protection from women

MYMOM says: First of all women everywhere have become dependent on men, not just in the aspect of husband's pay but in every aspect... ... since humanity first crawled out of the primal mists

WHAT SHE REALLY MEANS: Women have been parasites since ages and will continue to remain so. Men need to understand, bear and provide for such parasites. In any violence mental, verbal, emotional, the women have the sole exclusive unquestionable claim to wolf as victims, irrespective of who the actual perpetrator is and who is the actual cause for it.
But yes if the crime by women amounts to things like murder, mutilations then it becomes too grave and hence it can not be hushed up easily behind veils of public outcry and sympathy for females.

In that case let us produce distorted statistics and try to downplay and label such crimes as isolated incidents to save skin of women.

Women statistics in most cases are hyped by claiming unreported cases. What is actually means that all those cases where woman thought that she get can get enough support because she can be caught red handed, she withdraws in shell. Such withdrawing in shell is not acceptable to women organizations as it is a defeat of a woman even if it is trump of truth over falsehood.
They do not want such cases(a dare by woman to challenge others on false grounds) to go unaccounted and hence include them as unreported cases in their statistics.

The feminazies supported by Male Chauvinistic pigs are now working towards another biased, misandrist anti-male law called "Harassment at workplace Act".

Please do not confuse it will "sexual harssment at workplace". It is just harassment at workplace law only meant for women.

Now, the bastards working to collect statistics will ask women questions like:

1) Did your boss ever called you when you were at your house?

2) Did he ever say, come lets go for coffee?

3) Did he ever said, she is an under performer and she needs to improve?

With such kind of questions, they will conclude, 70% of women face harassment at workplace at one time or other in their life.

What a bullshit, the same statistics will hold good for men as well.

If ridicule, name calling is domestic violoence (please read fine print on the law), then 90% of men also would have faced this "domestic violence" from their wives, mothers or sisters. Threat of suicide is also domestic violence. Does not women do that as well.

I know specific cases where a man was mentally tortured for years by his dominating, controlling sister. In another case, two boys were tortured for years by their grandmother. One of them was my friend and coworker. I know numerous cases where anti-male feminist mother brutally abuse their sons.

If men discuss domestic violence by women, then they are idiots, morons and sons of bitches. Only women have "wholesale free licence to bitch about real and imaginary."

Men will simply stop marrying. World is FLAT. Women in other developed countries are eager to sleep with Indian Men, while the Indian women keep flashing all the laws on the face of Men.

The corrupt police, judiciary and protection officers will make a mockery of the whole process. Just now, I saw a small kid serving food in a well known restaurent in Bangalore. What happened to the law passed recently? What is the women and child minister Renuka Chaudhury doing?

The real victims will get nothing because the real abusers will bribe the protection officers and get away. The female and her family who have right contacts and power will abuse the whole process of law.

One final outcome may be, the innocents who get harassed may take law into their hands.

Indian has become a Banana republic. They could have at least given a chance to husband to file at least a complaint (even if they do not punish the wife).

When, I went to police station when my in-laws ransacked my house, locked my door and went away, the police told me, "we can not believe a woman and her parents can harass a man. We can not take your complaint."

So, men must not go anywhere but serve a bitch. If they stay with the bitch, then it is a problem. If they leave her, then it is domestic violence.

Only CCD Cameras and audio recordings will do. The other way many can think is to take law into one's hands and fall on the bastards who are supporting these unscrupulous FEMINZIES and disgusting biased laws as path breaking.

Not a single women has ever been arrested for driving husbands to suicide. Every year, 22000 men are driven to suicide by their wives. Because, men are disposable.

someone please tell me whether there is a provision for men to report(if so, how exactly this can be done by a man), and have recourse against, domestic violence directed against them by women folk(be it their wives, sisters or mothers- yes I know a man who was subjected to domestic violence by his mother from childhood to the time he could stand on his feet(and run for his sane mind and life), and that man is my father!.... so, I hope u all understand the authenticity limitations, and hence please don't ask for authentic and/or verifiable proof, I won't just be able to give that if u know what I mean)


So where do man run to when he its violated with oppression/harassment and violence at home/social spheres, where do we go?. Do u know, do u all really sincerely know an effective way to counter these offences by women!?

(for people with personal grouse against me, let me disclaim my availability for slander and personal insults, we have a social issue at hand and that's what we are trying to dissect and analyse for general good... thanks u all for your kind understanding and patience)

Dear Ms. Sandhu,

This has reference to your article "Men new 'victims' of domestic violence" hosted at http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/artMailDisp.aspx?article=05_11_2006_001_016&typ=1&pub=47

I would like to express our sincere appriciation on behalf of SIFF, to your unbiased opinion.

We at SIFF are not exactly against a Law to Protect and Stop Women from being Ill-treated and Harassed be it at Home or Outside. All of us do respect WOMEN - and do acknowledge that there are many a cases of Ladies not being given their due dignity and respect. And would sincerely support the punishment of the Culprit.

What, we sincerely request is that there needs to be counter Laws with harsh punishments applicable incase of a false allegation purely with the intention of harassment, degradation and for financial gains. And these laws must be applicable to all parties including the Police who draft their verdict with no proper investigation, Lawyers who instigate for the same.

And that the Law and Order Machinery of the Republic of India which mainly includes the Politicians, Police, Lawyers and Judges rather than encouraging the misuse of these laws should encourage towards fixing up the problems if any, by force if needed. This would rather decrease the number of divorces in our country and also be benificial to the children of these broken marriages who are at most times the silent VICTIMS of a Divorce.

Are we doing Justice to these innocent victimised children, by instigating the use of these laws?

We talk and take pride of our Indian Sanskars and Parumparas - what would remain of these?

I do sincerely request you to bring to light the actual statestics of the Misuse of these laws to the actual cases.

Would the Indian Women protected by these laws have any effect getting Married and also getting hired for jobs - due to the fear instilled by these laws into the minds of the general public and the knowledge of their misuse and no protection against it?

Are these Laws actually intended to do Good or Bad to the Society especially the Women and Children in Particular?

Hoping that you would do the necessary, all the necessary survey and research information could be made made available to you for your perusal, in the case you need to refer.

Thanking you in anticipation
With Best Regards

Binoe Manuel(SIF Member)
B'lore

CC : To All our other Media Personality , to speek the truth , to speek
PS.: Request the other Media Personalities too to study and enlighten the Public and help.

Hi Binoe and Other responsible citizens of Republic of India,

Binoe, I have posted this comment of yours at http://desicritics.org/2006/10/26/070855.php , where we are analysing DV Act incisively and with a view to bring out the best of this law for all Indian citizens.

So I would request all of the recipients to check out the above link at Desi Critics(one among India's best online collaborative Journal, general/techie wisdom stuff and New Portal). The discussion until now will give you what the interested commenters thinks about these Gender biased laws, and how people are suffering in this quagmire they have been wrongly pushed into by their oppressors.

They, the common man of India, wonders how the rulers of a 100 crore could make such shoddy, lopsided laws in full purview of the World at large!, its Shame, its a shame that intellectual India is producing such draconic and shameful laws which can effectively be misused by cruel, selfish, money-mongering girls and/or their advisors/folks!.

Save Indian Family supports law which alleviates Oppression and disadvantage to any human being, but we insist that this process of injustice alleviation be available to the Males of this country too..... we want Gender Equality in Law and our social Sphere, we desist Gender skewed legislation and societal perceptions.

We will fight till we win, we are here to stay

Warm Regards

P.R.Gokul
B.E(E.C.E), M.B.A, C.P.I.M
Director, Protect Indian Family, Mumbai (NGO working for Marital & Familial Harmony)
http://gokul.go.to
Tele/Fax : +91 22 25614188(Bombay, Res), +91 9821414336
24-hour All India Helpline Number:+91-9243473794
Volunteer Helpline Numbers(limited contact hours,send SMS if unavailable)
Delhi : 9871734980, 9810611534, 9911119113
Bangalore : 080 55334135, Jaipur : 9352562456
Mumbai : 9224335577, 9869323538, Calcutta: 033 25217318/25347398
See ongoing awareness campaigns: http://at498a.blogspot.com/

Generally spaeking, men are not against giving women their necessary rights. It is true that the Indian women has been treated quite badly at timen by the male dominated society and history is witness of this fact.
It is because of this overwhelming sympathy, that men have not criticised for the last three decades some of the blatantly twisted and female chauvinistic ideas mooted and implemented by feminists .
However, as the events are unfolding, feminists and women's organisations are wanting to bite more than they can chew which is leading to a male protest. It is time for our women's organisations to have a hard look at the reality and what they are preaching and it's repercussions

Letter to President and other responsible citizens of our country(revised version)->

Hi Binoe and Other responsible citizens of Republic of India,

Binoe, I have posted this comment of yours at http://desicritics.org/2006/10/26/070855.php , where we are analysing DV Act incisively and with a view to bring out the best of this law for all Indian citizens.

So I would request all of the recipients to check out the above link at DesiCritics(one among India's best: online collaborative Journal, general/techie wisdom resources and New Portal). The discussion until now will give you what the interested commenters thinks about these Gender biased laws(like IPC 498a and Domestic Violence Act), and how people are suffering in this quagmire, into which they have been wrongly pushed/forced/trapped by their oppressors.

These acts of "Legal and Family Terrorism" is resulting in a National wastage and will definitely lead to a considerable(even monumental) loss of National wealth owing to loss of time and resources of young and productive Indian citizens who are pitted against Indian Judiciary for extended periods of time, with vexatious and oblique intent and motives on the part of the oppressors who should actually be termed as "Enemies of the State"(lets see some legislation addressing this treason against state, if we have political will, we would respect and be indebted you if we all are able to do this!).

At least there should be "fear of punishment" for lodging false complaints using these powerful laws which are instituted as safe-guards to genuinely suffering women, and these should not be toys in the hands of mindless amazons and such puerile or putrid minds of any gender/lobby.

They, the common man of India, wonders how the rulers of a 100 crore plus population, could make such shoddy, lopsided laws in full purview of the new age World at large!, its shame, ......its a shame that intellectual India is producing such draconic and shameful laws which can effectively be misused by cruel, selfish, money-mongering girls and/or their advisors/folks!.

Save Indian Family supports law which alleviates Oppression and disadvantage to any human being, but we insist that this process of injustice alleviation be available to the Males of this country too..... we want Gender Equality in Law and our social Sphere, we desist Gender skewed legislation and societal perceptions.

We will fight till we win it for Indian family, we are here to stay with our families :).

We will dream of building happy families and hence a greater Nation.

Warm Regards

P.R.Gokul
B.E(E.C.E), M.B.A, C.P.I.M
Director, Protect Indian Family, Mumbai (NGO working for Marital & Familial Harmony)
http://gokul.go.to
Tele/Fax : +91 22 25614188(Bombay, Res), +91 9821414336
24-hour All India Helpline Number:+91-9243473794
Volunteer Helpline Numbers(limited contact hours,send SMS if unavailable)
Delhi : 9871734980, 9810611534, 9911119113
Bangalore : 080 55334135, Jaipur : 9352562456
Mumbai : 9224335577, 9869323538, Calcutta: 033 25217318/25347398

See ongoing awareness campaigns: http://at498a.blogspot.com/

PS:If the weblinks are not working, you can copy&paste the link on to your browser.
Request the Media Personalities to study and enlighten the Public and help
CC : To All our other Media Personality , to speak the truth , to speak out without fear or bias!

Who let the dugs out ...who let the dugs out....bow vow bow bow....

women women women women.....see what you have made out of the above.

and yes...MEN too. It is after all majority of the men who passed the bill and made it into an ACT in the parliament.

Kuddos to you all and now do us a favour.

Cancel the concept of bail in India or ban all people out on bail to use the internet

Throw them all in the darkest dungeons.

Anil (a brother --very active brother of a victim and a spy)

Thou shalt not use un-parliamentary language hither
PM & President will be taking a tour of DC(Especially this article) soon :).....

So cut to chase, lets get jiggy with it

Blog on DV: http://o3.indiatimes.com/presentindia/archive/2005/12/07/366241.aspx

Let's raise our voice the way we can and tell the world what v feel.

Do not just move around on the NET only ... raise your voice each and every where.

Read the specail coverage on ToI webiste on DV act at
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/specialcoverage/168047.cms

Request to all of u to poll on their(ToI) site:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/showpoll/msid-172048.cms

The Domestic Violence Act will empower women. :) really....... I mean it. It will also empower men in the process, thats the best part!

Blog on DV(Featured on Times of India website:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/specialcoverage/168047.cms ): http://o3.indiatimes.com/presentindia/archive/2005/12/07/366241.aspx

************ The Blog reads like this************
Domestic Violence Bill
Domestic Violence Bill, which is more commonly called AK-47 for modern women has being pass in the Parliament by politicians on the recommendation of women's organisation who are fighting for women's rights. Rights ? ya whatever. It basically protects the rights of women whenever she is exposed to domestic violence, which includes the following : 1) Any kind of physical assault. 2) Any kind of mental harassment 3) Economic, sexual or emotional abuse. Now this needs to be understood much clearly from the practical perspective about its applicability. 1) Physical assault, well, we all agree that women are much more physically aggressive then men. Men most often refrain from misusing his physical strength especially when it comes to family. On the other hand, women turn extremely hostile when things doesn't work as per her wishes and she would even throw articles and break household objects. The scene is indeed difficult to watch because she out of rage trying to intimidate the family and letting them know that if others do not follow her instructions then she will get more violent. Therefore, more often women are the ones who are the perpetrators of physical assault. 2) Mental harassment. Please let me know if our scientists have managed to objectively quantify the mental harassment of a person. What I know is that mental harassment is highly subjective and relative. It depends on person to person and it is not qualified to compare it with somebody else. If you plan to meet your wife at a restaurant and you turn up 5 minutes late because of the traffic, will this amount to mental harassment ? Yes, it does amount to mental harassment IF your wife refuses to understand the situation. If your wife ask you to buy her a piece of jewelry and if you give her an excuse that you can't afford it, does it amount to mental harassment ? Yes, it does IF your wife wants to be inconsiderate towards you. There are "n" number of incidents happening on a daily basis which only to be rewarded with understanding and let-go attitude. Nobody can agree more that understanding and let-go attitude is the secret of a healthy marriage life. However, what would you do if your wife knows that there exist a law wherein she can accuse you of mental harassment and can send you to jail ? Well, I am pretty sure you would at least give a benefit of doubt to your wife saying that, "nah, I know my wife, she can't accuse me like this, we are having a nice married life, so why should I worry about this law." That is exactly most of the people who are being accused and imprisoned said that same thing what you are saying. 3) Economic, sexual and emotional abuse. Firstly, why would you abuse your wife economically ? I mean, if her desires for buying something important for the family or house, why would you refuse her ? You won't, right ? But if she is demanding something irrational like wanting you to give adhoc payments to her parents then you would certainly want to think twice. You surely respect her parents but not at the cost of your own financial condition. However, on this decision of yours, she has given so-called rights to accuse you of economic abuse. I know its hard to imagine something like this could happen but, yes, its true and it is happening these days. How could your wife accuse you of sexual abuse ? This is indeed hard to digest because if you are married to her then certainly you would also want to have a healthy sex life. Emotional abuse is yet again a relative term and can't be objectively quantified and cannot be presented as proof in the court of law. Even you could be emotionally abused by your wife when she ask you to kick your parents out of your house and if you don't do it, then you are accused of emotional abuse. Now this is a wonderful example. If you are forced to kick your parents out of the house, it isn't emotional abuse and if you don't, it is an emotional abuse to your wife. Wow, we must thank women's organisation to come with such a fantastic rule to ruin all possible scope of understanding between husband and wife. But, why would these women's organisation come up with such a disastrous rule within the marriage setup ? There is a reason. We all know that women issue is the hot topic of the decade and of course who will not want to gain some popularity by exaggerating any given situation. They pretty well know that their efforts will not be appreciated in rural areas so they try their luck in urban areas and big cities and guess what, they are getting what they are looking for. They would get all the non-sense stories from rural areas on how women are treated and would start a mass campaign in urban cities by using media. They will prepare a report and send it to the Government for approval and as usual the politicians would be too happy to know that they will surely receive their vote if they approve their recommendations. Who is the sufferer ? We people living in urban cities. I wonder how much more time it will take for men to understand their precarious situation in the society because of these women organisation and their ridiculous laws. I hope you have understood what Domestic Violence Bill means. It means you either live like a slave to your wife or go to jail. Now its your choice whether you want to sit relaxed till it happens to you or you do something. What can be done ? You first start talking about it with your friends, colleagues and relatives and persuade them not to tolerate this malpractice. I am sure you are convinced by now that Domestic Violence Bill is no way a solution to marital discord. Now its your choice what you want to do, tolerate or fight.
posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:53 PM

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The Domestic Violence Act will empower women. :) really....... I mean it. It will also empower men in the process, thats the best part!.

http://web.ncf.ca/ez771/ : Has a download PDF document (public Domain), entitled;"Pathologically Narcissistic Women and the Gender-Biased Criminal Harassment Law in Canada. That site also has a Canadian Charter Challenge to the Criminal Harassment Law, widely abused by police in Canada through "tunnel vision." See: http://web.ncf.ca/ez771/No264/Narcissism_Harassment_Law.pdf

Also see the various comments at the DV blog: http://o3.indiatimes.com/presentindia/archive/2005/12/07/366241.aspx

Pls forward this to all Indians who believe in Family System.

= issued in public interest =

hello friends,

while india has great laws for oppressed women since 1983. but these laws offlate have been more misused than used.

while the guilty are effectively punished, these law also facilitates a women to falsely accused the parents-in-law for false dowry and mental torture. and attempt to physical torture. many innocents including pregnant sisters of husband and old parents have been arrested on false complaint of the daughter in law. no proofs required. no penalty for misuse of the law or lies.

to counter the false case threats and practices, the victims are coming together and forming a group on a global scale. they have also come up with self funded helplines. the victims are all law abiding from a very decent family with no criminal records but are caught or fear to be falsely implicated in false dowry cases like false 498a, and domestic violence.

if you come across any innocent family harassed by the daughter in law for vested interest you may pass on the following contacts:

www.saveindianfamily.org ; www.498a.org ; www.mynation.net

save our innocent parents and siblings from being jailed.

Delhi: 9911119113, 9810611534
Calcutta: 033-25347398 , 033-25217318 (Vineet Ruia)
Chandigarh: 9888562582
Bangalore: 80-55334135
Mumbai: 9870466318, 9224335577, 9869323538
Ahmedabad: 9898989884
Gujrat: 09825365816
Hyderabad: 09848280354
Jaipur: 09352562456
Nasik: 9371988132
United States (USA): 650-430-9544, 612-812-4340 (Avro, call between 9-12 EST))

Kind Regards,

Jinesh Zaveri(SIF Member)
Mumbai.

In Western nations, women are not supported by husband or anyone. It goes by give and take policy in marriage. In 2005 as per USA census it is said Marriage is getting extinct in USA.

do you think any man on the land of india will accept someone he is feeding can control him meaninglessly? by criminal terror fear. Marriage will 100% destroy in a year or 10 yrs, But certainly it will. I guess, outsiders of india is involved for this.

Those women, who are not thinking and running fastly behind feminist organisations are not thinking in a dimension calmly whether it really helps preserve our culture and soul.

These laws will be used sprucely by manipulative women largely. If any sita using it, her mind will be slowly spoiled by other bad women to misuse it and "umbrella of control" starts in her family. Marriage closes shortly.

How can a luv/trust/attachment relationship runs with police, using economic/emotional abuse without physical abuse?

In otherwords, we are getting pulled by western nations for their form of life style. no one is thinking about this.

un married women age grows and they will be more burdened like western women to manage herself or her father less(if) family. No man will come forward to marry her or to live with her in fear of 498a or DV act. what will be the fate of the country?

If you see urban women look healthy and ready for beauty contest, but even higher position men or a bureacrat look dry face, peechy personality or dull/pale structure. Am I wrong in not making this research properly? though we call india, male-dominated, it is never. These men are attached and running their families blindly with no expectation. Such highly position kinda men never take care of their women such way in any part of western life. This happens only in India. Now these men start thinking seriously. These men learn theri sons to stay away from urban women for marriages.

Laws when designed in bias to women should have been designed bias towards education and literacy as well. Govt must had designed DVact or
498a differently for educated women after 10th or intermediate atleast, so that misuse gets stopped and country would have flourished infrastructurally. Urban educated ill-women is as cruel as a urban educated ill-men. dont you agree? In that case, how do you agree to keep such laws in the hands of such women? dont you think such women crime increases in society and go unnoticed as there is no law for bad married women to get arrested.

I came to know about this after looking life in the west for several years. Western nations are male dominated but not India.

Infrastructure of India will further deteriorate because all significant thinkers loose balance of their mind to perfectly. 5% intellectuals responsible for 70% growth of the country, anyone thought about this. and this 5% disturbed for 5 to 20 yrs due to 498a or dv act!! what happens? present fate of country happened.

Because of blackmail, by-controll, implicit marital conflicts and years together fight inside courts JUST for finance distribution among couple. Bureacrats and intellectuals mind this way gets ruptured and can't contribute well or time for the infrastructure better for the country. Intellectuals continue to leave the country.

This is what you wanted DV or 498a in current form. if any innocent women is learnt about such laws, and one bad individual is enough to change their minds to control their husbands. That starts destruction of marriage and take a lot of time and resources of individuals.

Today india infrastrcutre is affected, I believe, strong reason is 498a. Many officials participate in corruption as they became imbalanced, selfish not thinking properly for the development of the country, just because their minds are affected for 5 to 15 yrs period in controlled, blackmailed marriage. you can't imagine what happens to brain or physiology of human when stressed for years together. That outcome is the present physic structure of men in India.

In future, just like in the west, women be it mother, sister will be fed by only brothers or fathers only. Concept of husband will die. If they get husbands, they get poor husbands, who are economically not well otherwise not. Just western life pervades all walks of life in India. Marriage will not happen (bcoz, boys parents learn boys not to, I learn my son to..i need his physical health and mental helath rather marriage life).

Many intellecutals(70% 498a cases) masters, phds, engineers, doctors are around courts for 5 yrs to 8 yrs to just become innocent after trials. Is this the way country using intellectual resources/proeprty for the country? is this what we wanted India to be?

There is chance for India only when dedicated, sacrifice women role is required. India doesn't afford feminism. It affords active role of BEST women for the development of the nation. Women who are in wonderful marriage and at the same time helping hands for the country flourish and not feminists.

I end up saying only one thing before western feminism takes its troll completely -

Good women ROLE is must for Indias growth and to preserve marriage value system and spiritual india. Pls. think calmly for a day or 2 and read western life and indian life difference, where it comes. I want my daughter to be part of this marriage system and not living outside marriage with multiple parterns in the name of liberation.

Once majority of Indian men are learnt not to provide/protect/feed his wife for no reciprocation/expectation from herside, that is westernization.

Do you think, a man who simply becomes a pet dog with economic/emotional violence usage by a urban controlling any women. I dont think so. Marriage will 100% break. BUT if the man is intelligent enough to become a beggar, what happens to the fate of that women in the current indian critcal/difficult economy, has any
one thought about it. She will be forced to enter into mal-profession for survival. Bad elements use her more and more. Is this feminism?

Such cases grow exponentially from year after year. Men stop marrying if not now, after 5 yrs. parents will no longer marry their boys. they learn them how to stay away and take care of themselves.

I disclaim all liabilities, these are my opinions & thoughts and experience for the help to other mankind preserving spiritual india.

Dear friends ( especially Sakshi)

You all must know who Chandrima is by now. Her articles were posted all over the place on this site.

To have a clear read ...here it is.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp

Well well well , her fortitude was not too well digested by you know who??

She was bombarded with emails full of abuse in her inbox. I know it because I wrote to her an email explaining the miserable mental state of the above men who have been exposed by the DV and Dowry laws, thanks to their own deeds and the atrocities they have inflicted on their women (as alleged by their wives and admitted by them)

As usual she too was threatened with 'sue you with defamation' crap but it never will see the light of the day. We know their routine hollow threats.

NOW the lady Chandrima took a total turnaround and posted all the detestation emails she has received and also the emails with even the most ABUSIVE crude language strewn on her. We are all familiar with the S*F dirty uneducated language and words.

Her turnaround has thrown the men flying across to another planet hitting hard on their faces.

Please read her unperturbed and mirthful calm response to their despicable shameful emails and how wonderfully she has made a MOCKERY (but gracefully) of their words and abuse.

In a way humorous (I can actually hear her laughing ) . An amusing read to the core -her response.


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061107/asp/calcutta/story_6966070.asp

Mailbox of male hate
Flooded by abuse, Chandrima S. Bhattacharya knows what violence is, especially the sort "scared" men are capable of
SEX & THE CITY

I learnt a new word today to describe myself. It's "misandrist". It is the rarely used feminine equivalent of "misogynist", which means "woman-hater".

Now I could simply call myself a "man-hater", but that sounds so crude, bald, nasty, brutish and short, that it sounds exactly like a wife-beater. So I looked for a word of Latin origin and am hiding behind it for the time being.

But I can't escape my fate. Hate mail is pouring into my mailbox from men from every corner of the country, hurling the dreaded word at me. One of the men has threatened to sue me.

The reason: in my last column, I wondered why men are so scared by the Domestic Violence Act. I said that it is likely that the Act, though most welcome and well-intentioned, may not translate into women reporting the violence against them in far greater number.

"What are men scared of?" I had demanded loftily in the headline -- in case you want to quote me, because I am famous now after so much mail and can barely keep the sound bytes down.

The men were so angry. They seemed to have leapt at me straight out of the accompanying cartoon. I think it was the word "scared". They charged me with two things. They said I was one-sided, stupid and biased and was deliberately blind to the suffering of men at the hands of women.

They added that I was criminal in my tendency to avoid the issue of potential misuse of the Act by unscrupulous women just waiting to do unsuspecting men and their families in by lodging false charges, which would be assumed to be the truth by the judiciary under this Act, as they were under the Dowry Act.

I love the men in my life -- and I will immediately distance myself from the kind of women that the men warn me of. I agree absolutely there are "bad" women, terrible women, like there are terrible men. But I just want to say that the enormity of violence against women, and the many subtle, complex ways it happens and the ways in which women accept it make me wonder again how many more women will drag men to court armed with this Act.

And in the comparison between violence against men and violence against women, women win hands down. What is the ratio? 1:4,000? 1:2,000? 1:1,000? How many men in this country have been burnt by their wives or in-laws? And if any man can point out an Act that has not been misused, let him cast the first stone.

But what really made me scared -- and perplexed -- was the way the mails kept coming, jamming the mailbox, hurling abuse after abuse. I will present some excerpts. The authors reserve all rights to the spelling, syntax and meaning. (DV stands for domestic violence.)

Writes K**h Rudra (swa_):

"This is not a LAW at all, this is a AK 47 with out licence, when it will fire not only men, including women and child, whoever will come will be killed. First learn the bais of any LAW, then write. If you do not understand what is law, that does not consider that all will be fooled by your anti male articles."

I am learning, I am learning.

Says Gocool, (drmura):

"We are not talking bad about the genuine use of this (Act), but trying to shed light and the ample opportunities of misuse (have u ever read DV domestic violence Act, my dear Smiling Budda?)"

Who is the "Smiling Budda"? Me? Why?

Says Saurabh Ojha (saurabhko):

"You do not need to worry about the skewed sex ratio or domestic violence. Thanks to DV act which in the very short time will wake and shake up the society either positively or negatively. In both the cases Feminists are the winners. But its a good sign for young males who either won't marry or marry to Russian Girl's. They are far better than the current lot Indian girls. According to them, Indian Husband's are the BEST."

How do the Russian women know so much?

Says S**rup Sarkar (s**rup1973):

"Story of Kiranjit Ahluwalia (the UK-based woman who killed her husband after 10 years of inhuman torture and was acquitted) is just an Example. She like thousands of other Indian women in India and around the world is a Hard Core Criminal, who justify her crime and got scot free. But what makes Kiranjit stand-apart is that she found the Loope Whole deep within, which made her finally put an end to the Story and not give any socpe to her husabnd to say the truth."

Sure, I want to find the 'Loope Wholes' too -- they sound like just the thing a woman should be equipped with.


But two letters really hammered the point in. "She needs full dose...," says Manish Gupta (om), the three dots ominous.

Says S**rup (): "Need some dose this feminist bastered -- Terrosit Jurnalist."

At this point, the mailbox collapsed. But I think I know what violence is, especially the sort "scared" men are capable of. Next week, I will talk jharoo ponchha.

This has been my big day.

I am DONE being the side kick of the abusive dumb members of delhi group. But had to it for the sake of my sister. To get to the core of the group and its activities.

Fortunately for me (and most members will agree) that I was in Delhi and that lot is the easiest lot to tackle. Just to a little EGO massaging, some false story and encourage them in their bossgiri activities and you are in with no questions asked,

True they have harrassed many members but they still remain powerful and have in their own way ruined the image of S*F for good or a long time to come with their illiterate activities.

In other cities we have to put a couple of expensive pegs down their throat to get information but Delhi is the EASIEST. But at the same time it was torturous because had to stick around with FOOLS big time.

My work is done and soon you will see and feel how. WATCH OUT.

Member, I am watching u, khel beta khel, aakhir is godh mein vapas aana pedega thereko, kya samjha.

Jadoo Tarka..... karo, aukath jo hein tumhara

Don ko pakadna mushkil hi nahin, namumkin hein, bachey mummy se doodh mangke pee, aur soja, thats good for ur health :)

PUNISH THE MAKERS OF THIS TALIBANI LAW

The Domestic Violence (DV) law is actually a talibani law, the only difference is that Taliban regime used such laws against their women, and here the DV law will be heavily misused against men in India due to its loopholes. It is loosely drafted law, which would work as AK47 in hands of terrorists and innocents will be its targets.

Those people who are responsible for making it shall be hold responsible for their ulterior motive to disintegrate the Indian society and for spreading and supporting gender based hatred and laws. They shall be tried in the courts and punished duly for justice and sensibility to prevail in our society.

PUNISH THE MAKERS OF THIS TALIBANI LAW TO SAVE MARRIAGES AND OUR 5000 YEARS OLD INDIAN CIVILIZATION, WHICH ARE UNDER THREAT DUE TO LEGAL TERRORISTS AND SOME WOMEN ORGANISATIONS INCLUDING THE NCW.

It is a fact of today, that all the laws that are made for protection of women like the dowry harassment law of sec. 498A of IPC, are misused by unscrupulous wives to blackmail family and husband for large amount of money, property, jewelry and other articles. In the same way, the new law of Domestic Violence Act will also be misused by modern educated wives to threaten and blackmail their in-laws and husband.

In India which is one of world's most corrupt country, the biased laws like sec. 498A and Domestic Violence Act are bound to be heavily misused by educated women with support of their parents against innocent families and husbands.

The problem of domestic violence is more in rural and economically backward community, than in urban homes. It is very unlikely that an educated husband from a well to do family comes home drunken to beats his wife daily or harasses his wife to demand dowry and money from her. It is usually found that all such types of complaints registered in police station are falsely fabricated by cruel wives with support of their parents and relatives who bribe and influence the officials. It is to take the sympathy of the biased laws to blackmail husbands and family.

The statistics of past 5 years show that how the law of 498A was increasingly used in cities like Delhi and Hyderabad, where most of the above said cases were filed by educated and well aware women.

DV act itself approves that the domestic violence is mostly done by men towards women and that it does not considers a situation in which vice versa would be happening.

At last, its a threat to the Indian culture and great civilization where marriage is at core and considered as a sacred institution, which will not be safe in the times of democratic and free India.

With MCP's like "member" and the tongue of " A silient active member" the verbal abuse is held to shame. The abuse and hatred campaign unleashed by MCP's and feminists against men in general by projecitng them as liberals is the final effort by femenists to salvage their position.

The feminists like chandarma are hell bent to mask their own polished abuses about men under the mask of liberal journalism. Their days are counted and they are trying their last ditch effort to supress the voice from the other camp by misusing their journalism.

Male abuse statistics

With Mrs. Renuka Choudhary, talking about overwhelming evidence and asking men to speak up, SIF wishes to present the statistics of male abuse. The male abuse mainly comes from emotional and legal abuse and sometimes even physical abuse by woman, in collusion with her natal family and friends.



Well also please note that even if statistics of male abuse is lower than women abuse, that is not reason to ignore the male community altogether. If one man is abused, and 100 women are abused, it is ridiculous to ignore that man, because he is a man. Please follow through the overwhelming data, Mrs. Renuka Choudhary and parliamentarians need to think about male abuse.



Look at the following statistics reported by Ministry of Home Affairs

No. suicides due to marital dispute in year 2004

(These are men and women who died in discord akin to domestic violence)

Male - 321 (42%)

Female - 441 (58%)



Suicides due to dowry dispute in year 2004

Male - 53 (2%)

Female - 2585 (98%)

Common reason for men to commit suicide are false complaints and lawful harassment due to stringent feminist laws. The number for females deaths include all unnatural female deaths within 7 years of marriage, which makes this number extra ordinarily high, because all female unnatural deaths for almost 10% female population (in age group of 20-30) are reported as dowry deaths.



With these statistics my head is spinning to find reason, why Domestic violence act is applicable only to men? Does the government want to bring the no. of suicides by men more than that of women?



No. of Dowry cases registered : 58319

No. of dowry cases not chargesheeted based on frivolous grounds : 10491 (18%)

No of dowry cases chargesheeted : 47828 (82%)

Convicted : 5739 (9.8%)

Acquitted (due to innocence, faulty investigation, false complaint, bad prosecution etc) : 24127 (41%)



For these 58319 registered cases, 134757 people underwent arrest under 498a & b and Dowry Prohibition Act.

Age wise distribution:

Below 18 years: 358 (0.2 %)

Above 60 years: 4744 (3.5 % )

between 18-60 : 129655 (96 %)

That is on average 2.3 people were arrested in every complaint of woman. There were 358 children and 4744 senior citizens arrested. Out of 129655 cases, approximately 18% were not chargesheeted, which means 23337 arrests of innocent people were caused only because these acts are non-bailable and cognizable, to handover power of arrest of man to woman through frivolous complaints. Does this not convince the government about viciousness revengeful attitute of women, that another act is pressed on society.



Is it not enough deterrent to government for drafting a balanced domestic violence act? Please also remember that the statistics vary more or less the same every year i.e. over 1,30,000/- people are legally tortured every year in India, for the sake of women's liberation. the number is going to increase 10 fold, with domestic violence act. Please note the note of World Health Organization on legal torture. (Document no. WHO/NMH/VIP/02.1, WHO/NMH/NPH/02.2 Title Missing Voices http://www.498a.org/legalTorture.htm )



The laws must be changed; it is not only in the interest of gross national happiness, but also in the interest of our future generation and women themselves. We must learn from the histories of family laws in other countries. The UK had similar legal system for women 30 years back. Today, the youngsters of UK, do not want to marry. Attempt to enforce morality in family system by such fear of law, will only cause destruction of this delicate system. (http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/07/28102739/27419)

(Source of this information is response to RTI application with reference no. 24013/20/2006-SC/ST-W, reported by Public information officer Sumita Mukherjee)



We do need a legal framework, where men and women are respected. But the current framework of Domestic Violence Act, seems to only frame the men and in the process destroy families. Mrs. Renuka Choudhary, please wake up to the fact that tommorrow's generation is not going to thank you but curse you for your Diwali gift to India.



The solution to what you are seeking is not what you have done through domestic violence act. We need a family framework, in which elder's have more say than judge, reconcilliations are attempted. Family members have better say in and also have chance to force union of family and also have opinion in the punishment for guilty within family sphere and law enforcement agencies help in promoting dialogue within family, rather than threatening men all the time.

Submitted by Anon.(SIF Member)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/347817.cms

If men have a problem they should speak up? Mrs.
Renuka, are you sure you have been awake all these
days?

You cite official statistics of dowry and other kinds
of harassment to support anti-dowry laws and DV act in
their current form. Come to think of it, who has
collected this data? How have they collected it? And
who has checked their validity? Very often the number
of cases that are filed in police stations or courts
are the basis for the official statistics of dowry
harassment. So, if you make a law that gives women
unlimited scope to fabricate lies and get away with
perjury and if women keep filing false cases then the
statistics will always be on the rise. Then you can
argue more strongly in support of your own hypothesis
and the need for biased laws.

Please check court records and see how many thousands
of cases are rotting without trial for years under
section 498a...False cases that have been filed
against men AND WOMEN who are being tormented by the
police and courts as we speak. And when all these
victims of misuse of law get acquitted will those
statistics be publicized to support the introduction
of new laws that punish women who are abusing laws?

You want men to speak up? Men and women are not just
speaking up but crying out loud wherever they can but
the media and women like you have been unsuccessfully
trying to muffle them up. These voices will not die
down. They will continue to rise and echo until
injustice to Indian men and women in the name of
pro-women laws is elminated. You cannot fool everyone
forever, Mrs. Renuka.

UC
In face of between a brother and sister let us see who WINS.

Some of your enemies are my best friends and in my pcoket. Your gender is ur liability.

I will sabotage anything for my sister. Have the guts comon to India anf t

In its annual 'progress report' on human rights the US State
Department concluded that "numerous serious problems" remained
in India including "excessive use of force"

It also highlighted corruption in both the police and the administration,
saying that it was "endemic in the government and police forces, and
the government made little attempt to combat the problem, except for
a few instances highlighted by the media."

This is how the law-enforcing machinery normally works in India.
You approach police or their brokers and negotiate the price.
They will convert a civil case, and register into criminal case.
They will arrest the accused and produce him before magistrate.
The magistrate will immediately grant police custody,
without bothering about nature of case.
Now police will demand money, otherwise the accused will not get
bail.
The magistrate will grant bail only when public prosecutor gives
him signal that money has been received and it will be honourably
distributed.
There is Criminal +Police+Judicial nexus for Extortion

In extradition proceedings at London court; India's best
known supreme court lawyer appearing for the accused said:
"Indian Police are the most corrupt,
dishonest, vicious and murderous
in the world"
The plea was accepted by the honourable court.
Indian Police is the most corrupt and criminal biggest
Uniformed organisation in the world is well known.
When we have such a system, how can there be Justice?

Secondly If Indian Government desires respect for the laws
they must first make the laws respectable.
For example some of the problems with the section 498A
of IPC are as under:

1. It rewards frauds and cheats for using the law.

2. It makes the accuser the prosecutor, the judge
and the jury all rolled into one.

3. It makes all the families subject to destruction
on the whims and fancies of criminals
(girl and her families who want to get rich).

4. It has no safeguards for the innocent.

5. It facilitates elder and child abuse by the
accusers without any fear of punishment.

6. It lays down no automatic punishments for the
UN-scrupulous accuser(s), even after it is
proved that the accused persons were innocent
and the complaints were fraudulent.

7. It enables violation of the privacy, sanctity
and the dignity of the innocent families, and
throws the very existence of Indian families to
the vultures in the police force, criminals in
the society and at the mercy of the lawyers and
the inefficiencies of the court system in India.

8. It provides monetary inducements for corruption,
falsehoods, revenge, blackmail and extortion;
therefore an invitation to the increasing crimes
in India.

9. It is a monster and menace, created by the
law; and does not belong in any civilised and
democratic society as it smells like fascism.

10. The guilty who make frivolous and scandalous
complaints or start false prosecutions get off
Scott free at the cost and expense of the public
exchequer
Only fascist dictatorships and enemies of the society create
laws that destroys the very society they claim to protect..

Feminists laws legislated during the past two decades
have unleashed a New Legal Terrorism, and they are also
responsible for Rape of Indian Legal System as well as
Indian Culture including Social order.Supreme court has
said in recent judgement that provisions in feminists laws
are often being misused to settle personal scores.These
laws are no License to settle scores,or blackmail for Extortion;
merely because the provisions are legal.These laws does not
give a licence to unscrupulous persons to wreak personal
vendetta or unleash harassment by lodging frivolous complaints
and allegations. The provisions in women's laws are intended to
be used as a shield not an assassin weapon. Government need
to reflect whether the laws have reached a stage where the pendulum
has swung to the other extreme, whether it has become a tool for
corruption,obstruction, delay, harassment blackmail and extortion.

Indian legal system has completely and miserably
failed to protect innocent persons.
Many instances have come to light where the
complaints are not bonafide and have been filed
with an oblique motives with the collusion of
corrupt law enforcing machinery.

The acquittal does not wipe out the ignominy
suffered during and prior to trial by the innocent
accused family who were all arrested without bail
and jailed without committing any offence.

The Judicial system must strongly deal with
frivolous complaints and prosecutions by
unscrupulous corrupt law enforcers; for
wasting court's precious time and putting financial
burden on public exchequer. The costs should be
recovered from guilty and the victim should be
compensated.

Preventing the miscarriage of justice, is just as much
the work of the Courts, as it is their work to uphold the
law of the land.

Perjury ( a statement that is false, made under oath)
destroys the very foundations of the legal process as
perversion of the truth is a 'crime against justice'.
False statements, retracted statements, and witnesses
turning "hostile" has been growing at our judicial system .
It is about time that the Courts put to use sanction and
sentence "perjurers" as offenders, for their culpability.
Their attempts to usurp and mock the authority of the Courts,
the legal process, the rule of law, and the law of the land, have
to be thwarted for in doing so they are aiding and abetting the
miscarriage of Justice.

Unless Cry "Wolf" too often as a prank by
feminists is stop-ed and unless unscrupulous persons
including corrupt government machinery are properly and
severely dealt with ; The Rape of Indian legal system and
Indian society by UN-social elements will continue.

The present Domestic Violence bill will most
certainly be useful for the urban woman in an
adulterous relationship because if caught, she
can accuse her husband/his parental family of
domestic violence, have them jailed while she
takes over all their assets.

The marriage is becoming a very dangerous
commodity for vulnerable middle class families.
The marriage and subsequent discord between
the spouses has become a more serious crime for
husband, than committing rape or murder in which
heinous crime at least entire family is not arrested
and jailed, without proof or investigation. Most joint
middle class families are greatly suffering from the
curses and horrors of these barbarian laws.

The amendment to the Evidence Act was made,which
effected, shifting the burden of proof of innocence to the
accused, much against normal criminal jurisprudence.
Section 498A became part of the Criminal Law Act on
25 December 1983.
Therefore according to normal criminal jurisprudence,the
prosecution under section 498A is not only immoral and
against internationally accepted law but also smells of
fascist regime in India.
The prosecution of the accused under 498A is nothing
but sending a soldier to the battlefield with both his hands
chopped off.

The social laws have never succeeded in India.
On the contrary they have led to runaway corruption.
These social laws are goldmines for law enforcers for
making illegitimate money and the vote bank for politicians.
The unholy criminal-police-judicial-political nexus begins
and is sustained on the back of these social laws
It is only common people that suffers because of the climate
of criminality that survives in Indian system.

There are hundreds of false cases going on in India against
overseas Indians specially against USA , Canadian and UK
citizens with the motive being blackmail and extortion of
Dollars as alimony in settlement of divorce.

Despite the presence of so many Indian-American women's
organisations, pro-women US laws,an excellent legal system
and Strong police force to protect women; Why then un-scrupulous
Indian women, who are married to US citizens and residents of Indian
origin are going to India to file criminal cases under section498A
of Indian Penal Code against their husbands and his parents?
Why these un-scrupulous women are over-riding the US System,
and misusing Indian corrupt, notorious and in-efficient Judicial system
without any Jurisdiction?
The answer is very simple
1. "IPC 498A of Indian Law is an easy weapon
to purchase and use by the criminal, vindictive
and abusive Indian wife / daughter-in-law, with
which the husband and his entire parental family
as well as friends can be harassed, Jailed and
subjected to blackmail and extortion.
2. The US legal system and police force investigates
in details all the accusations and find the Truth.
If the woman is found to be lying, she is being dealt
with and punished.

There are hundreds of innocent NRI's in USA alone who are suffering
from blackmail, extortion and humiliation at the hands of the unscrupulous spouses for the SIN of marrying Indian girl.The old parents of NRI's in India
are jailed . NRI'S can not return without being arrested and jailed.in spite
of sufficient proof of innocence.

The problem is so serious that US state department has issued
Advisory to US citizens of Indian Origin warning as under:
A number of U.S. citizen men who have come to India to marry
Indian nationals have been arrested and charged with crime related
to dowry extraction.
Many of the charges stem from the U.S.citizen's inability to provide
an immigrant visa for the prospective spouse to travel immediately
to the united states.
The courts sometimes order the U.S.citizen to pay large sums of
money to his spouse in exchange for the dismissal of charges

Canadian Government has also issued following advisory:
Growing numbers of Canadian citizens have been caught up
in marital fraud and dowry abuse in India. Most cases involve
Indo-Canadian males who abandon their wives in India after
cheating them out of large sums of money. Other cases
involve misuse of Indians Dowry Prohibition Act. This law,
which was enacted to protect women and makes demanding
a dowry a crime, is sometimes used to blackmail men through
false allegations of dowry extortion. Individuals facing charges
may be forced to remain in India until their cases have been
settled or pay off their spouses in exchange for the dismissal
of charges.
To avoid such problems, you are advised to register your marriage
in India along with a joint declaration of gifts exchanged, as well as
consider a prenuptial agreement.

Going to Police station does not solve the family problems or save the marriage. Fools will never cease to be stupid. They will try to interpret everything as a fools paradise. It is sickening height of stupidity to use Domestic Violence Act to endanger tranquillity and domestic Harmony.

This Act will only be misused for blackmail and revenge, resulting in breaking of joint families. Only un-scrupulous girls and women without any self respect will go to Police station to settle the scores with family, relatives and friends.

This legislation is totally sexist and discriminatory. This will mean that men will now have to bear the brunt of female hostility. The judiciary is supposed to be neutral. If it parts with the woman, then it loses its credibility and trust-worthiness. This makes it all the more easier for women to frame men in all types of gender related criminal cases.

Problems of adjustment in family or in marriage are highly private and personal matters between family members or husband and wife, where no third party has any role whatsoever. All issues of any kind between them has to be resolved by them without the any interference from any external agency. Police or judiciary has no role till it takes a violent form and creates a law and order problem. Let us not encourage police or judiciary to enter the homes and bedroom of citizens, failing which India will turn into Police state.

Filing of complaint with Police is the first step to legally break the family or matrimonial relationship without any chance of repair. Woman is dead as a sister, daughter, dependent or wife, the day she enters the police station to settle the scores. Police is a temprary solution.

Police help is the maximum Intended, wish-full and over-estimated power felt by her, under the law, to destroy her adversery husband and the family. She feels that, with weapon of Domestic Violence Act and section 498A on her side, she is much stronger than her husband and/or parent's family. She cannot do anything more legally or otherwise, but ends up in bargain, and she becomes unworthy to be part of the family, relatives and friends. The end results after trials in courts lasting for several years have shown that only few cases of crime against women have achieved the objectives and desired results. In most cases accused get scot free.

Misuse of section 498A showing dowry as reasons for the dispute has become common because this law; is an easy weapon to use by the criminal, vindictive and abusive Indian wife/ daughter-in- law and her parents, with which the husband and his entire parental family as well as friends can be harassed, jailed, and are subjected to maximum extortion and blackmail at the initial level. Subsequently after court trial, the misuse of law is established in 98 percent cases.

The correct answer is the "Counselling" and" Divorce" in case of husband/wife discord. Social support centers, Mass awareness is reguired and not the gender devide. Why not make divorce laws simple, as simple as they are in US, UK, Canada and other parts of civilised and modern world? The fact is that, even two unwilling animals cannot stay together without violence. Some families who got their daughters married to NRIs with great expectations appears to be victims of their own greed and miscalculations. Bad apples are always there in both sexes. The cheques and transactions bounce in business every day in large numbers, that does not mean that all businesses are Cheats. However the misfortunes and miseries are the part and parcel of life, which cannot be avoided.

Null , I AM a sister of a brother. And I don't care whose enemies are in whose pockets. We will not stop fighting for justice. And null, who are YOU to challenge me to come to India. It's my country, my home and I can't wait to come and fight my battles.

This is not a gender war. This is a battle against injustice being done to many mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters.

Oh sure...carry on with your geeks. [EDITED] After stamping on everyones chest in delhi and others yo think we will let u go u fool.
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How much time u and ur geeks need.

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