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The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 - Big Brother has Arrived

October 26, 2006
Sakshi Juneja

Domestic Violence is one of the gravest and the most pervasive of human rights violations in India. Most victims of domestic violence are women who come from all social and economic backgrounds. But from now on things might change and hopefully for the better.

Finally the knight in shining armor for the Indian Woman has arrived in the form of Domestic Violence Act 2005, which is applicable from today. The significant point of this Act is that it not only provides protection to women who are legally married but also those who are in live-in relationships, women who are sisters, widows or mothers. The new law also addresses sexual abuse of children and forcing girls to marry against their wishes. This certainly proves that the new Act has been formed keeping the current relationship culture in India and the irregularities in the previous Domestic Violence Laws in mind.

Hindustan Times Reports:

The new law provides an all-encompassing definition of domestic violence including not only physical violence by the husband, such as beating or physically hurting his wife, or sexual violence like forced intercourse, but also verbal or emotional violence such as insulting the wife or preventing her from taking up a job, and even economic violence such as not allowing the wife to use her salary.

"The definition includes threats of abuse and dowry demands too," said Renuka Chowdhury, Minister for Women and Child Development.

Chowdhury said around 70 per cent of women in India were victims of domestic violence in some form. "The enactment of the law is a historic step towards ending gender discrimination," she said.

Any man found guilty under the Domestic Violence Act 2005 would be sent to jail and/or fined upto Rs. 20,000. They can also be charged under other sections of the Indian Penal Code (IPC), if applicable.

Simply passing an Act and jotting it down on legal paper does not ensure that its main purpose will be served. In order to tackle this problem, the Ministry of Women and Child Development has issued another notification laying down rules framed for accurate implementation of the Act which also includes appointment of protection officers, service providers and counsellors.

Another very important feature of the new Act is women's right to secure housing, the statement said, adding it provides a right to reside in the matrimonial and shared household, whether or not she has any legal title in the household.

Women's welfare associations from all around the country have accepted this decision with open arms. However, there are some who are worried about its ill-effects and rightfully so. Pandurangi Reddy Bharati, who runs the Save Indian Family Foundation, said, "It will lead to the economic blackmail of men." Mr. Bharati's concerns cannot be taken lightly especially since over the years the numbers of false cases against husbands and in-laws have also been on the rise.

Chowdhury did not deny that the Act could be misused but said there would be "protection officers" to ensure it did not happen. "We will sensitise the officers on all aspects of the law," she said.

State governments will have to appoint a woman protection officer in each police station to book and pursue cases. Victims can seek compensation under the law.

The effectiveness of this revolutionary Act would only be judged once the intended implementation plans are put into action without any lengthy delays, a positive level of transparency between the Ministry and State governments is achieved and most important of all, the ones who are in charge of enforcing this Act carry out their duty in the rightful manner.

Saakshi O. Juneja is an active blogger, feminist and overboard dog lover. Currently working as a Business Development Manager for a sportswear manufacturing company in Mumbai, India. Did graduation in Marketing & Advertising from Sydney, Australia. As far as blogging is concerned...is a complete Blog-a-holic.
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#1
Righta
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October 26, 2006
09:58 AM

Laws are made with Good intentions, but the implementation of the laws is almost always suspect. Just wait and see how much this ACT is going to be misused.

With great freedom comes great responsibility.... if our law makers just make laws without fool-proofing it with regards to chance of misuse, what good is a skewed law anyway.

One would slowly realise that the whole family which includes women being victimised by misuse of of DV Act, just as its happening with 498a.

Implementation....... is the key(just like almost every known/recognised concept in management is great, its execution is the key!)

#2
Righta
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October 26, 2006
12:11 PM

See http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com/2006/10/dv-bill-laxman-rekha-for-surpanakhas.html , SIF members blog voicing his concerns about how DV Act could be hijacked by the undeserving, money-minded Family Terrorists.

#3
Dr Jogeshwar Mahanta
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October 26, 2006
12:50 PM

"Most victims of domestic violence are women who come from all social and economic backgrounds."

This is just a conjecture and not a fact but the whole exercise is based on this conjecture.
regards

#4
Satya
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October 26, 2006
12:57 PM

It is painful to see how stupid ministers could be in their own statements. Consider Renuka's statement " "The enactment of the law is a historic step towards ending gender discrimination"

Just by enacting a DV bill ONLY FOR WOMEN shows how biased and foolish the government and it's officials are.

If 70% of the women in India are victims of DV, show me a statistics and numbers......

You cannot interview 25 women for the women's rights organization and generalize the results.

Interestingly this law can be used only by women. And you are saying it is going to end gender discrimination.

I tell you !!! The law is in existance only because of 99.99% of Indians still do not know about this.

#5
NKumar
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October 26, 2006
02:28 PM

This DV act will add more misery to the tortured husbands and their family members due to its misuse and the unexpected rise in cases related to marital problems.

There is no doubt that our Indian culture in which marriage is depicted as a sacred institution, is going to end soon, very soon, and that too in the era of so called democratic and fee India.

#6
Kirti
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October 26, 2006
02:36 PM

I highly condemn this law as this is only going to destabilise the basic foundation of marriage. Women today are very smart and no sane person goes for violence / harrassment. Relationships are based on mutual acceptance and whoever are running this law forget that they can not forcefully make a relation work.. It would not lead to happiness. The lawmakers should know the practicality of the situation.. every police officer can be bribed and can be manipulated. These laws are a showcase of bunch of absurd abnormal, dumb female organisations. The point which is trying to be achieved here should be achived by MAKING AN INDIAN WOMAN INDEPENDENT. These women have got habituated to be dependent on husbands pay and harassing them and her in laws on her tunes. It is a gross violation of human rights.making a woman independent only can can let makeher right choices in her life and be happy.

#7
temporal
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October 26, 2006
02:57 PM

I highly condemn this law as this is only going to destabilise the basic foundation of marriage.

i am with you kirti

anything this draconian that destablizes marriage should be trashed

or

failing which we should have another look at the institution of marriage itself

#8
Deepti Lamba
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October 26, 2006
03:12 PM

temporal, maybe this means that Indian men should stay away from Indian women in toto, whether it be the wife, the mother, or the neighbor's wife;) sanyaas time, perhaps?:)

#9
temporal
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October 26, 2006
03:21 PM

hmmm

the trouble is dee when men stay away from women they make war not babies

(ref: see encyclopedia brittanica under war)

#10
Mahatma Gandhi
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October 26, 2006
03:27 PM

The worst ever act for indian family has finally arrived.The only goal of our womens organizations is to create laws which can severely blackmail a man.Their goal is to make man a puppet in the house.

1.Why do these women marry men? Cant they live happily in a single life?

2.Now women want to bring even live-in relationships under this law. So this law gives recognition for prostitution in India. Our women organizations have worked hard to safe guard prostitute rights.Example: Men who are in live-in relationships can now be arrested if they dont give gifts and money to the female live-in.The female can give a false complaint and arrest her partner if her demands are not fulfilled.

3.Is there any law to protect harassed husbands?

4.Women have cunningly used crying in public as a sympathy factor to fool our innocient legal system.

5.Rural and poor women continue to suffer and Urban/Rich/educated women continue to misuse the law and torture men with vengence.

6.The parlamentarians who consist mostly of useless men dont realize the fact that their families will be ruined by the misuse of this law.

7.Men will start avoiding marriage to live a happy and trouble free life.Women will cross all limits to commit adultry.

8.This act is the beginning of destruction of a family in India. Marriage will lose its sanctity. Divorce rate will triple.

9.Womens organizations have successfully worked towards increasing the divorce rate in our country in the name of womens liberation.

10.Innocient men will be tortured by all means.They will be blackmailed with criminal cases from women.

11. All the taxes paid by the men who boost our national economy are inturn used to fund such women organizations who create laws against men.

When will the men wakeup,unite and fight for their fundamental rights?

#11
Deepti Lamba
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October 26, 2006
03:30 PM

Good point, t - comment of the day:)

#12
Righta
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October 26, 2006
03:31 PM

Kaliyug hein Temporal saahib, here Kali rules the roost, intellect gets eclipsed and morbid ego remains until theres life in this earth..... Satyayug is what we can yearn for(after pralaya), Kaliyug will have to end itself.

I wonder what this pralaya would manifest itself as, is it this DV itself!, or is it 'Bush'

#13
Tanay
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October 26, 2006
03:37 PM

Sakshi : If you follow the terms and conditions and talk at a broader level then domestic violence covers a wide spectrum of cases in India.If a female stays in B'lore,Mumbai,Delhi or some big city and is educated and is from upper/middle strata of the society,I am pretty sure that 6/10 would go out of the way and raise their voice against any injustice. Education,family support and societial outlook are the factors which drive the decisions of these females.

Now when you turn your eyes to rural India or mid towns in India, the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 would be most useful..But all depends how staunchly this is going to be implemented or is it going to be another law in paper but not in action/practise....

temporal : yes,there is going to be mis-use of this law too,especially by the educated females as in the name of law,they can go to a greater extent now..but then if someone wants to mis-use law for her benefit we cant do much...

#14
anamika
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October 26, 2006
03:40 PM

Strange that so many posters are upset about this law. I believe it shall be difficult if not impossible to implement. But beyond the husbands, it is the protection the law provides from the natal family that is most important. So far domestic violence laws around the world have focussed on the partner (and the inlaws in some cases). Here is finally a law that recognises that women are mistreated by their birth families too: Brothers and fathers who feel their "honour" has been compromised, feel it is their right to control the women in their family etc. Interestingly since the act is not linked to any family law, it also will afford protection to women like the one recently who killed her father for sexual harassment.
It isn't a silver bullet but what is soooo awful about it?
Awaiting enlightenment on this one...

#15
Righta
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October 26, 2006
03:56 PM

Who creates these Acts and Bills, which won't address even Genuine violence(see the punishment under DV is just 20,000 rupees or 'some' Jail- dont know whats the exact max term), neither does it fool-proof the misuse of this Act.

Why is these half-baked laws made in the first place, who are those jokers who impose these shoddy shit on us!?.

Come to think about these, aren't these ways to destabilise intelligent India and divert their resources and time fighting against shadows!(so that these corrupt politicians can stay corrupt, and keep on staying on top of us and "RULE" and probably connect his village with his wife's village with fully Air-conditioned "Gareeb Raths"!).

Pathetic.......... how much does a gun cost in Mumbai!(or Ex-Bihar price!)?.

#16
Righta
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October 26, 2006
04:02 PM

Save Indian Family activist Mr.Asish Mukhi will be in the panel discussing Domestic Violence Act from 12 midnight tonight(going on right now!, as of 1.30 A.M 27/10/06): Domestic Violence Act came into force as of today 26/10/2006, and is full of Grey areas which will hit Indian family adversly yet again, just like misuse of IPC-498a.

The implementation of DV is going to be gargatuan, if not outright ridiculous(Protection officers are going to be balanced senior IAS!!!, tell me about it!)

#17
Vidhya M.S
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October 26, 2006
04:25 PM

Righta

Why are you all so upset.
If you all behave yourself and stop being violent, then the law wont harm you.

Infact I would even love another Act on the lines of DC policy(internet abuse of women) ie all those men taken into task who have called all women here Supranaks and all the other words.

Watch it , it is going to come soon.

#18
Righta
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October 26, 2006
04:34 PM

Check out the updated excerpts of the DV act: http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?fromtimeline=true&id=95405&callid=1&template=womencrime

#19
Neha
October 26, 2006
04:52 PM

Righta

How long will the culprits escape.....the world is round and soon the chase is over.

1) All NRI husbands passports are being impounded, Interpol alerts have already been issued, and extradition process has started.
For more information and to see the actual picture of NRI marriages read here & here

lately there has been some respite to this misfortune, and several resolution offered by MOIA and NCW combined .

2) And now this---our group of men and women combined has finally done it.

All of our efforts have seen the light of day.

Some also correctly pointed out that women not only in in-laws houses but in their Natal home will also be given protection. She will not be forced to marry or discriminated against. That I think is also awesome.

#20
Righta
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October 26, 2006
04:53 PM

I don't approve calling a "lady" - "Surpanaka". But if someone's actions translate into the image of a Surpanaka, why not :)(it is another angle/view that Surpanaka just had a crush on Laxman and she got her unmentionables chopped off for just that "sin", but we are talking about general 'images' from mythology here).

But if u check, I wouldn't have written anything like that on the net. Since I don't have anything against ladies/girls(I have a mother and a girl child, and I respect human beings for what they are, and strive to be).

Behaviours need be hated, not the person

#21
Neha
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October 26, 2006
05:25 PM

I don't approve calling a "lady" - "Surpanaka".

ohhhhhh my God....I am so fazed out with this one.

Each and every lady of DC has been called a Supranaka on this space and as well as her blogs on the most irrelevant posts.

In fact I think Temporal had even written a post on that.

But still , my advise to you is move on and do something.

We are already one our next plan to stop internet abuse. (more on the lines of DC policy). It will take sometime, maybe alot but will happen.

#22
Righta
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October 26, 2006
05:27 PM

Neha, It was not me, right?

#23
Neha
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October 26, 2006
05:57 PM

See---that is where you guys have taken the beating. You do not stand as a TEAM.

If my team member says something, I will and we all will stand by it because we have one common goal.

No questions asked, no doubts and no arguments. WE only have our goals to achieve. That is to stop violence in this world against women.


If I say something, it is not me but my entire team by it expressing the same. That is where our UNITY is and lies. We have no ego in working for the team's goals, we are not scared, when our seniors question, we answer, we are ACCOUNTABLE inorder to enjoy our presence in the group.

Name calling and abusing will never work and will not yield any results. Exposing your better halfs details on the internet thinking it will work against her will not win you brownies. Certain notorious members of your group have tarnished your image permanently. Who knows that with the non-stop ranting and abusing on the internet by them, spamming our inboxes and inboxes of authoritative personalities has made it possible to bring this act into effect sooner.

Mirror- image theory has failed. Period.

The sacrifices of several women who were burnt alive, the ideologies of non-violence, & respect for fellow being have worked in our favor.
Sweet and diplomatic words, requests and highly regarded well worded arguments will always win.

(I hope this time you will not pompously and imprudently dismiss of by saying ...'they have no team or group' like last time u did on some other thread. Because now I know you know. We have had intruders from your group inside our group lately)

#24
null
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October 26, 2006
06:25 PM

Just because some one called someone else Surpanakha does not justify the existence of crappy laws like 498a and DV Act. You need to get over your ego hassles with a couple of people who called you Surpanakha and look at the implications of there poorly conceived laws on the society.

#25
Manoj Singh
October 26, 2006
06:26 PM

Generation Next->According to Russian Women, Indian men are best Husbands. Marry Russian Girls. This way, no Indian Girl will need protection.

cheers.

#26
Manoj Singh
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October 26, 2006
06:33 PM

I do not know how long will it take for Indian Girls to become equal.
What equality?
If they feel they are equal then Protection from what?

#27
Neha
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October 26, 2006
06:34 PM

To 24

Chill......do carry on with the SUpranak calling.

My answer was for #22. Manners kiddo....

Whoever said calling SUparnaka was directly connected to 498a etc. Get off that syndrome and do something constructive.

#28
Manoj Singh
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October 26, 2006
06:36 PM

Till now I only know rights of women in this site.
Can any one tell me what are/should be the duties of women as right comes with duties and not alone.

#29
Anon
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October 26, 2006
06:47 PM

And what is your right to ask this question?

Who are you?

#30
Manoj Singh
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October 26, 2006
06:49 PM

Is it a discussion Platform or do we have to buy rights from you SIR

#31
Anon
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October 26, 2006
06:54 PM

Watever...

#32
null
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October 26, 2006
06:57 PM

If you do not wish to answer me , then please do not question my .

#33
Manoj Singh
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October 26, 2006
06:58 PM

If you do not wish to answer me , then please do not question my RIGHTS.

#34
null
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October 26, 2006
07:09 PM

You never mentioned who you answer was for. And frankly, I don't care. My comment was for you though, Neha!

#24

#35
Neha
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October 26, 2006
07:48 PM

Watever....carry on....

#36
sreedharan
October 26, 2006
09:42 PM

==For any feminism thought women(indian)==

you mean this dv act in its form is good for the country, unless you are thinking of your children or you are married and aged..

My mother never; uprightly throw it away. Reasons ==>

In Western nations, women are not supported by husband or anyone. It goes by give and take policy in marriage. In 2005 as per USA census
it is said Marriage is getting extinct in USA.

do you think any man on the land of india will accept someone he is feeding can control him meaninglessly? by criminal terror fear. Marriage will 100% destroy in a year or 10 yrs, But certainly it will. I guess, outsiders of india is involved for this.

Those women, who are not thinking and running fastly behind feminist organisations are not thinking in a dimension calmly whether it
really helps preserve our culture and soul.

These laws will be used sprucely only by manipulative women largely. If any sita using it, her mind will be slowly spoiled by other bad women to misuse it and "umbrella of control" starts in her family. Marriage closes shortly.

How can a luv/trust/attachment relationship runs with police, using economic/emotional abuse without physical abuse?

In otherwords, we are getting pulled by western nations for their form of life style. no one is thinking about this.

un married women age grows and they will be more burdened like western women to manage herself or her father less(if) family. No man will come forward to marry her or to live with her in fear of 498a or DV act. what will be the fate of the country?

If you see urban women look healthy and ready for beauty contest, but even higher position men or a bureacrat look dry face, peechy personality or dull/pale structure. Am I wrong in not making this research properly? though we call india, male-dominated, it is never. These men are attached and running their families blindly with no expectation. Such highly position men never take care of their women such way in any part of western life. This happens only in India. Now these men start thinking seriously. These men learn theri sons to stay away from urban women for marriages.

I came to know about this after looking life in the west for several years. Western nations are male dominated but not India.

Infrastructure of India will further deteriorate because all significant thinkers loose balance of their mind to perfectly.

Because of blackmail, by-controll, implicit marital conflicts and years together fight inside courts JUST for finance distribution
among couple. Bureacrats and intellectuals mind this way gets ruptured and can't contribute well or time for the infrastructure better for the country. Intellectuals continue to leave the country.

This is what you wanted DV or 498a in current form. if any innocent women is learnt about such laws, and one bad individual is enough to
change their minds to control their husbands. That starts destruction of marriage and take a lot of time and resources of individuals.

Today india infrastrcutre is affected, I believe, strong reason is 498a. Many officials participate in corruption as they became
imbalanced, selfish not thinking properly for the development of the country, just because their minds are affected for 5 to 15 yrs period
in controlled, blackmailed marriage. you can't imagine what happens to brain or physiology of human when stressed for years together. That outcome is the present physic structure of men in India.

In future, just like in the west, women be it mother, sister will be fed by only brothers or fathers only. Concept of husband will die. If
they get husbands, they get poor husbands, who are economically not well otherwise not. Just western life pervades all walks of life in
India. Marriage will not happen (bcoz, boys parents learn boys not to, I learn my son to..i need his physical health and mental helath
rather marriage life).

Laws when designed in bias to women should have been designed bias towards education and literacy as well. Govt must had designed DVact or
498a differently for educated women after 10th or intermediate atleast, so that misuse gets stopped and country would have flourished infrastructurally. Urban educated ill-women is as cruel as a urban educated ill-men. dont you agree? In that case, how do you agree to keep such laws in the hands of such women? dont you think such women crime increases in society and go unnoticed as there is no law for bad married women to get arrested.

Many intellecutals(70% 498a cases) masters, phds, engineers, doctors are around courts for 5 yrs to 8 yrs to just become innocent after
trials. Is this the way country using intellectual resources/proeprty for the country? is this what we wanted India to be?

There is chance for India only when dedicated, sacrifice women role is required. India doesn't afford feminism. It affords active role of
BEST women for the development of the nation. Women who are in wonderful marriage and at the same time helping hands for the country
flourish and not feminists.

I end up saying only one thing before western feminism takes its troll completely -

Good women ROLE is must for Indias growth and to preserve marriage value system and spiritual india. Pls. think calmly for a day or 2
and read western life and indian life difference, where it comes. I want my daughter to be part of this marriage system and not living
outside marriage with multiple parterns in the name of liberation.

Once majority of Indian men are learnt not to provide/protect/feed his wife for no reciprocation/expectation from herside, that is westernization.

Do you think, a man who simply becomes a pet dog with economic/emotional violence usage by a urban controlling any women. I dont think so. Marriage will 100% break. BUT if the man is
intelligent enough to become a beggar, what happens to the fate of that women in the current indian critcal/difficult economy, has any
one thought about it. She will be forced to enter into mal-profession for survival. Bad elements use her more and more. Is this feminism?

Such cases grow exponentially from year after year. Men stop marrying if not now, after 5 yrs. parents will no longer marry their boys. they learn them how to stay away and take care of themselves.

I disclaim all liabilities, these are my opinions & thoughts and experience for the help to other mankind preserving spiritual india.

#37
Y Bhavy
October 26, 2006
11:50 PM

It is Historic Law truely said by Renuka Choudhary. It law is definetly going to destroy the institution of marriage and will promote legal prostitution.

Do we need some enenmy to distroy any country? Law like this is sufficient. Very good Renuka ji. Please come-up with more innovative ideas to destroy the marriage and indian culture to promote legal prostitution.

BTW, what made your goverment feel that women are only subject to cruelty in indian household? Don't you have suicide statistics of india. If not please have a look.
http://www.who.int/ncd/mip2000/presentations/LVijayakumar/sld001.htm

Keep promoting legal prostitution.

Y Bhavy

#38
Santosh
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October 27, 2006
12:19 AM

Now what is the use of crying over spilled milk.
Sitting on the internet will not get these bills stopped.

Calling every women supranaka and her husband ravana....even namecalling is not forbidden, has served no purpose.

Now cry.

THE ONLY GOOD THING IS THAT EVEN THE BOYS MOTHER , SISTER AND DAUGHTER CAN MAKE GOOD USE OF THIS LAW.



#39
Santosh
URL
October 27, 2006
12:21 AM

Who makes a prostiture a one.

If she has no customers she will go home and stop her business.

By asking such stupid questions and assuming that most people here are unidimensional will not help.


BEAWARE OF NAME CALLING NOW.

#40
raj
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October 27, 2006
12:53 AM

DECCAN LINK
Women activists dismiss domestic abuse law


New Delhi, Oct 26: A leading women's rights group on Thursday said a new law against domestic abuse, though powerful on paper, will fall prey to lax enforcement.
The Domestic Violence Act 2005, which aims to protect women against physical, mental and verbal abuse by husbands and live-in partners, came into effect on Thursday. Violators face up to a year in prison and a fine of Rs 20,000, the ministry for women and child development said. Rights activists however said the legislation was a "half-hearted" attempt by the government to tackle the problem.

"The government has made a mockery of the whole legislation. Women will line up to file complaints with no mechanism in place. There will be a huge backlog," said Donna Fernandes, who founded Vimochana, a women's rights group 27 years ago.
The government has said it would appoint special "protection officers" to attend to complaints, but did not spell out how many officers will be recruited. Lawyers, who have been fighting to get the legislation through, said it would at least set a standard on fighting domestic abuse.


#41
A Reporter
October 27, 2006
01:44 AM

This is a diwali gift to Indian men!!!! Do not worry Indian men deserve this law to come in 21st century reality.

Let enjoy the life the way western men does marriage for 2 or 3 hours and pay her what she deserve, as Indian women considered all 600 million Indian Men in the same Plat form of Western man and made the Law Domestic violence Act

Indian Old Parents and Pregnant Sisters in JAIL?



-( Indian men deserve this law , because they are immature and bloody fool ), Purchase house joint name with wife ( to save tax ) , car in wife name , through out the age old parents to please the wife .. They deserve it.. No other way.. As I say there is only Ravans are there, laxman all are power less.



- But please note Indian Men are not so fool, now before marriage the House for the Girls is must... Without that who will marry and want to through out his age old parent??

- No cash to wife.. Payment only through Cheque!!!

- Voice recorder in the house.. Very nice and boost business.

- Before marriage at least four Legal Documents to be signed by wife and their parents.

- How many corporate mangers IIT, IIM, IT Engineers will donate the money to the cause of women well fare, let wait and watch!!!

- How many Corporate Mangers encourage the women for Promotion on the basis of her Capability..When his own wife will send him to jail or through out of house by using BV act.

- How many Top corporate Women will be able to lead a happy married life!!!

- How many NRI Guy will be really Interested to marry a Indian Girl ???



.. Like that a lot will come .



When our Government including President of India sold to those Modern Suparnakhs and Ravans , what you expect from them ?? They don’t want a Domestic harmony in India ... they want only Violence.. Violence.. More rape, more crime against women ...I don’t know how many Bhagat Singh , How many Jatin Das , how many Netaji .. will be come out to stop this legal terrorism !!!!!



Those women don’t understand what mistake they have done , they have diged their own well by them self . The war started by them.. Let see who won and who lost!!!!!!!



Let wait and watch, how Indian women start begging in Delhi- NH4 for a men forget the marriage, for a live together, for a part time father for their child!!!!!!

Legal first wife is likely to be cheated - Proposed Domestic Violence Bill !!



So Indian Men, get up and prepared to go to jail, Indian jail will be a Picnic Spot... As long back said by Nishant and for that a free Gate pass for your whole family will be available the moment you get married!!!



Another Step to Kill the Institution of Indian Marriage System.






#42
Anamika
URL
October 27, 2006
02:44 AM

Mr Raj Uncle of # 40

Did you forget to to put the entire post of the deccan article. The MOST important part where Indira Jaisingh washed out the Foona Fernandes.


Readers the entire article goes like this and please note the comment of Indira Jaisingh who we all know who she is

New Delhi, Oct 26: A leading women's rights group on Thursday said a new law against domestic abuse, though powerful on paper, will fall prey to lax enforcement.
The Domestic Violence Act 2005, which aims to protect women against physical, mental and verbal abuse by husbands and live-in partners, came into effect on Thursday. Violators face up to a year in prison and a fine of Rs 20,000, the ministry for women and child development said. Rights activists however said the legislation was a "half-hearted" attempt by the government to tackle the problem.

"The government has made a mockery of the whole legislation. Women will line up to file complaints with no mechanism in place. There will be a huge backlog," said Donna Fernandes, who founded Vimochana, a women's rights group 27 years ago.
The government has said it would appoint special "protection officers" to attend to complaints, but did not spell out how many officers will be recruited. Lawyers, who have been fighting to get the legislation through, said it would at least set a standard on fighting domestic abuse.

"The law is a benchmark of how society expects women to be treated. When women are aware of their rights, they can negotiate better with men, even if they do not press charges," said leading lawyer Indira Jaising, who has been demanding the law since 1994. Acc-ording to the National Crime Records Bureau, more than 7,000 women were killed in dowry disputes in 2004, 18,124 were raped and more th-an 1,75,200 suffered other crimes. At least 58,400 women also complained to police of cruelty by their husbands in 2004, the report said.

Everyone once again NOTE the figures of dowry deaths , rape and related crimes.

#43
Righta
URL
October 27, 2006
03:06 AM

A law at the speed of premature ejaculation, that's what DV is right now. Not good for women(comment#40), not good for anyone, certainly bad for gentlemen directly(and his dependants and hence Indian family indirectly).

Neha(comment no#23), SIF is a decentralised "self-help" group which has no formal/central control, so you can't pin the group down with reference to what individual members might chose to do in their personal capacity. You would have gauged the clout of SIF when both India TV and CNN-IBN invited SIF activists in Panels for discussing the pros and cons of the newly enforced/ejaculated Domestic Violence ACT(and in India TV Ashish(SIF member) was in the company of two thorough-bred lady lawyers and the results were there for all to see- there were no were to run for the blind DV Act fanatists.

So don't sweat if you are unable to PIN SIF down undeservingly, take it easy :). Bring on your internet etiquette rule or whatever(or is it ACT or Bill or just a Scare-crow!), it seems that u need a job anyway :).

Coming back to the topic, DV bill "as it is", is a dud, no value/use for anyone but the law misusers, but I wonder why some ladies in here are not getting it(may be they are the real law misusers or their aides)

#44
anamika
URL
October 27, 2006
03:21 AM

#42- nice data except not the same anamika. Btw, why the hysteria guys? All statistics show that women in India aren't particularly having the best time of their lives - domestic violence, rape (marital and otherwise), poor health, death in childbirth, lack of employment and education, and in many states a complete skewering of the demographics because female foetuses are being aborted. Sounds like a paradise for women all right. Oh, and this is without even going into the specific problems of the minority community thanks to the idiocy of the Shah Bano case.
The one good thing about this bill is that they haven't linked it to any religious personal law. So women like Imrana (remember her?) have a shot at getting legal help.
Yes of course there are implementation problem but those exist with the entire penal code. At least its a start...

#45
Sujai
URL
October 27, 2006
03:27 AM

Sakshi:
This is completely irrelevant to the article. But I was a bit confused when you used "Big Brother has Arrived". Did you use it as Orwellian Big Brother or like an Indian 'Big Brother' ('Main Hu Na') types?

#46
Atlantean
URL
October 27, 2006
03:38 AM

I welcome this law. Yes, implementation is a problem but as Anamika said, that's a problem with the entire penal code. That's no reason this law should be deemed unnecessary.

The first thing that should be done is to use this law and make examples of a few so that everyone gets to know and the law acts as a deterrent to all idiots who dont respect women.

On the other hand, steps should be taken so that this law isnt misused or used to blackmail or coerce anyone.

#47
Righta
URL
October 27, 2006
04:52 AM

But why they had to ejaculate it out of need for speed!. Don't we have enough think-tanks as our law makers, who could have thought of a much more decent law framing?. Why was the hurry, so that there is enough grey areas for the money making lobbies to thrive on?(as Ashish mentioned, the monkey makes hay in between the quarelling cats).

Do you think the law should have been framed like a 5 year olds attempt at poetry and then when they get time to sit and tighten it up that be done!. Whats the big funda of ejaculation in judicial process?.

#48
A Reporter
October 27, 2006
06:12 AM

Latest Update:
Due to huge back Lash , NCW and thier assoictes sister orginasation begging to media to stop the awareness campin of DV act.

A lot of young guys taken on surprise when they came to know , thier one night girlfrined also can book them under DV act ...

Suddenly Ms. Pinky Anand, Ms. Geeta Latur .. started to saying this law poorly drafted and it will be misused 24 times more than present 498a...

Haaa.. why sudden change???
Let continue the awareness programe in media and reach to each and every home of small small house??

#49
A Reporter
October 27, 2006
06:28 AM

Vidhya,
With your logic only ,Why you are so desprate to get the whole sale freelincence to do the domestic violence?
If the law is like this , who ever does the violence will be punished, what is the problem?
If you think women does not do violence , they will not be punished as per your theroy only ?
Why you all women are so much scared to make the DV act equall for all?
or
It is that you do not want that a violent women should not get any punishment?

#50
victor
URL
October 27, 2006
06:40 AM

This is another law that is only going to provide more ammo for vengeful women to get back at their husbands and these psychopaths call it a diwali gift for women (sic).

Nobody even wants to discuss how these laws can be misused and are being misused by unscrupulous women throughout the country.

This is a sick law drafted by psychopaths who want the easy way out of problems. Such laws will destroy the institution of marriage in our country.


I also want to know where they got their statistics from, saying 70% of women are subjected to some form of violence.

Now here's scenario married men (in fact, thanks to the diwali gift, u dont have be married anyomore to undergo this torture) have to face.

If wife refuses sex then then and husband wants it, then becomes a form of sexual violence. Vice versa becaomes emotional violence (sic)

If the wife whores around, its the guy with whom she whores around who is in trouble not the wife. If you go aroudn with a woman, then you are comitting adultery!!!!!

If u ask your wife to get a job then you are abusing her. If u ask her to quit her job, then u are still harassing her.

In short if you a woman in india, thanks to the new law now -

You can be a married whore
Siphon off your husband's hard earned money ( turn him into a talking, breathing ATM that can also perform tricks on demand) or else claim he is subjecting you to economic violence?
Isolate him from his friends and family and turn him into your slave (with no chance of liberty).
Beat up your husband and feel happy about it as there is no law against it.

AND THE ICING ON THE CAKE....
LODGE A COMPLAINT WITH THE COPS THAT HE IS ILL TREATING/HARASSING you IF HE REFUSES TO BE A SLAVE.

Why dont they also bring animals under the ambit of such laws so that you can get your hubby's pet dog arrested if it refuses to bark and/or bite at him on your command. I am sure this must find some place under our laws.After all if husband's relatives, friends and even those people the woman has never met or talked to can be arrested on 498a charges, then why not the the husband's pet (of course, provided the dog ain't ANOTHER BITCH!!!!!!!!)

Instead of trying to uplift women by making primary education compulsory and focussing on education and health at the grassroots level and focusing on rural areas where women need all the help they can get, these NGOs and women's organizations just hold the government to ransom and draft such bull shit laws to harass husbands and their family members.

This law will never benefit those for whom it is really intended. Rural women who suffer in slience and who do not have acess to support structures AND WILL CONTINUTE TO SUFFER.

Implementing such only gives instant gratification to so called women's organizations and embolden the so called educated urban woman to mercilessy harass men.

IF THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO PASS SUCH LAWS THEN IT SHOULD MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR ALL MEN WHO ARE GOING TO BE MARRIED TO ATTEND AWARENESS CLASESS ABOUT THESE LAWS.

THE GOVERNMENT AND THE NCW AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS KNOW PRETTY WELL THAT IF ANY MAN WHO is PLANNING TO GET MARRIED IS MADE AWARE OF THE PLETHORA OF LAWS STACKED AGAINST HIM (DV, ANTI DOWRY.. AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE FOR THE NEXT DIWALI..) HE WILL NEVER EVER WANT TO GET MARRIED AND THE GOVERNMENT WOULD SOON HAVE TO INSTITUTIONALISE PROSTITUTION AND MOST OF THESE MONEY SUCKING, GOLD DIGGING WOULD BE BRIDES WOULD HAVE TO TURN TO PROSTITUTION AS MEN WOULD SIMPLY REFUSE TO MARRY.

OTHERWISE ANY MAN WHO IS MARRYING, IF UNLUCKY, IS ONLY WALKING INTO A TRAP FROM WHICH HE IS NEVER GOING TO LIBERATE HIMSELF...

Soon, no man worth his salt would want to marry a girl from this country. He would rather go to a whore.... and also make sure he is not in a live-in relationship with a whore coz according to the law even whores can send you to jail. The last time we heard, it was only a legally married wife who could do such an honor?

Where the hell is this country heading.......

V



#51
A Reporter
October 27, 2006
06:47 AM

Righta,
You have mentioned about Mr.Asish Mukhi in India TV.
But you have not mentioned the persons name represent in CNN-IBN.
He had openly used the word like "Modern Sita" and "Modern Surpanakha" in his view that this LAW made in the name of "Modern Sita" and "Modern Surpanakha" will misuse that and modern Sita's life will be hell in the hand of "Modern Surpanakha" as DV act gives the right to live in relationship and for that the first legal wife's right will be cheated.

Yeha , the host and other side two female representative have not dare to use the word like "Gay" , "ashole", "bustered"..etc , though thier friends are are famous to use that in internate only.

#52
Umesh
October 27, 2006
06:51 AM

Hi friends,
I think we must all appreciate Renuka Chaudhary , NCW & allies for
formulating such a wonderful method of Birth Control In India.

Surprised !!!!!!!!

Its Simple gentlemen.....

Now after 498A , we have DV to add to the agonies of Indian men.The
result will be a scare in the mind of Indian men to marry.

Consequences:::::::No marriage, No love, No sex....& so...no
CHILDREN....!!!!!!

WHAT A WAY OF BIRTH CONTROL IN INDIA....!!!!

Now the only question that comes to mind here is...Where will these
bitches go to satisfy their sex & lust hunger?????

Keep it up NCW...(Nation's Cunning Women)

#53
Righta
URL
October 27, 2006
07:23 AM

Oh birth control was the goal of this premature 'DV' ejaculation, mmmm now it makes sense, thanx Umesh.

No discussions with citizens/expert groups, no systems in place, no appointing of officials, process half-ready, but promulgation ready & promptly done with, it happens only in India. (no love, no foreplay, no planning for the future, just premature ejaculation!)

VOTE BANK Politics Zindabad, just wait till these politicians start selling their bodies for votes(they have already sold their souls, so this is the only logical next).... like those buxom wannabe girls do in Elections South American nations(a "Kiss' for a 'Vote', but again what would male candidates offer in return to a 'vote'!?).

I despise the thought that we ourselves have let these jokers to rule and make us dance to their loony tunes, what a pity, what shame, what an existence......

#54
null
URL
October 27, 2006
07:55 AM

Some FACTS from UNPF as well as other organizations that suggest that the Indian woman is not in such wonderful state as the posters protesting DV law seem to suggest:
- In 2005, 6,787 cases of dowry-related deaths were recorded.
- More than two-thirds of married women in India between the ages of 15 and 49 are victims of beating, rape or forced sex, according to a 2005 report by the United Nations Population Fund (UNPF).
- According to the National Crime Records Bureau, there were 155,553 crimes committed against women last year -- 68,810 of which were considered to be domestic violence. Torture and molestation were the most widespread crimes.
- Women's groups say the real figure could be 10 times more as many cases go unreported with victims unwilling to speak out, fearing the shame and stigma associated with being a divorced or separated woman in traditional Indian society.

Sound like the DV is the first step in the right direction. For those who seem to think the bill was hurried through, its been in the parliament channels since late 1990s because the various parties couldn't even agree to the lowest common denominator on it...

#55
Shisheer
October 27, 2006
08:03 AM

Wait a few days.
It would be fun to watch the same male lawmakers and law enforcers who
were behind this stupid law, appearing court to get bail for the cases filed by their own wives, daughters,sisters,nieces etc.

price for their act.

Let the women decide their fate, do not guide them.

#56
anamika
URL
October 27, 2006
08:23 AM

And the source for this magical 20,000 men committing suicide? The number of dowry deaths are from India judiciary. Those are the ones CLASSIFIED as dowry deaths. They do not include gas cylinder explosions, from ailment because women are denied health care, or straight forward murders classified as suicides or murders. Amongst Muslim women in many areas - rickets is making a comeback because of the need for full burqa. Indian women have some of the highest death rates from uterine cancer and breast cancer again because these are "shameful" diseases that ought not to be treated by doctors or even diagnosed because the MAN's honour is compromised!
GROW up. All the breast beating by men on the forum doesn't change the fact that Indian women ARE poorly off and the law is one step in correcting that imbalance.

#57
Sumanth
URL
October 27, 2006
08:31 AM

Anamika, would you please explian what is the logic of trying hard to same the bad women( Husband killer) of the society?

If wife sucide , not only husabnd all thier sister, mother, grand monther also goes behind the without any small investigation.
But when husband sucide or get killed or even proved also she had burnt her husband alive, still all get scot free ...

Is this called women empowerment , had husband killers to be saved in our society?

#58
Indian Father
URL
October 27, 2006
09:11 AM

MEN HAVE TO AWAKEN THEMSELVES.MOST OF GROOMS ARE IGNORANT OF THESE LAWS AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE.

IF, THEY KNOW THESE LAWS THEY WILL NEVER MARRY AGAIN.

THE SOCIETY IS ON THE VERGE OF GETTING RUINED BY THE LAWS INITIATED BY THESE WOMEN ORGANIZATIONS.

#59
Neha
URL
October 27, 2006
10:49 AM

Righta

Please cut the crap of decentralization et al.
Why so much problem? You anyway have washed your hands of all responsibilties..so?

On a lighter note, you guys will get heavy traffic on your site all the more. The largest [EDITED] group in India---opps sorry the largest decentralised group in India.

And yes let our DV bill be a dud or looser or a killer. happy :) It is ours, we worked for it , let it be as it is.

The mere introduction of it has given criminals sleepless in nights for 2 days. This is more than enough.

Get going man!!! Dont just sit there do something :):):):)

(btw, thank you so much for this time not giving an explanation of why you so arrogantly dismissed at another thread our existence. Remember how pompous you were!!We had to wait for the right time , right place to come around. Tell your boss to take some tips from us. Like the lion who gauges, makes a desicion , plans silently and attacks)

But again it is that same pompous nature that it makes you call it a dud huh. Wait for sometime, a practical example will come soon.

#60
anamika
URL
October 27, 2006
10:54 AM

This law can be used by every women. Why are you all harping on only marriage. (got it , is it one more law to keep a vigil...)

Even your famous pregnant sisters and mothers can use it. Your daughters can use it too.

For such a long time you all were asking "what about our sisters and mothers who get no justice etc etc'

DONT WORRY.

We did your work also. Even they are welcome to use the law whenever they are victims. Instead of thanking us....goodness.


Now we ask you all to do only one thing. Behave

#61
Righta
URL
October 27, 2006
11:57 AM

Behaved.. (thinking to myself .... latoan ka bhooth baathon se nahin maantha).

Neha :), u need [EDITED](go google it and find out what)

#62
Anamika
URL
October 27, 2006
12:51 PM

Righta

Oh my God your comment was deleted. Is this the 1000th time it has happened.

Look at the aggressive and violent language you have used.

Ladies and Gentlemen...here is how DV Act is so necessary

Sakshi...great article.
Once again DC moderators....you are all awesome.

Well you know what I have lots of ground work to do and are next project is already on the way. You guys keep yourself entertained on the internet...after all this is the only space where you all can confront us thanks to the imposition of the bail conditions you cannot come near our houses :)

(Btw...you are more than welcome to come on our site and say what you have to say baba.
)

#63
Righta
URL
October 27, 2006
01:19 PM

Yes agreed Anamika is indeed a woman of import, so can v discuss DV now :)(the editing was needed, I think, since the word is pertains to a contraband substance in the US and hence DC editors found it safe to edit it, anyway I used 'it' in a lighter vein- sorry Anamika/Neha I won't engage in a personal fight with u, u can call up from US the guy u have falsel implicated, at the middle of the night, and continue what u r doing :). Thats what u deserve, so be it

#64
Anamika
URL
October 27, 2006
01:26 PM

What??

Explanantions galore...

Neha and me are 2 different entities. Once again the pompous attitude. Ignorance is bliss.
(let me tell you a little secret, we do not follow mulitple iDs system to rake our numbers)


Most people who run from their responsibilites and stay alone and die alone. That is what you deserve. Bagoda

#65
Woman
URL
October 27, 2006
01:54 PM

Poor souls, hosh kho baitey hai. Sadma se nikalne mein thoda waqt lagega. Paaglapan bhi ho sakta hai!!

Forgive them coz they do'nt know what thay say or do.

It is shock, a major shock . I hope God gives these poor [EDITED - NO LEGAL INFERENCES CAN BE DRAWN] some forgiveness becuuse bad times lie ahead...difficult times.

#66
Santosh Kapadia
October 27, 2006
09:35 PM

Once again an informative straight article is ruined with personal attacks and cries of the wolves. What is the predicament of the situation? Why is that some males are so timorous every time a bill is passed in favour of women. Big deal!!

From the tirades of you all, it gives an outsider like me (who is happily married with 3 kids) the impression that men like the above commentators are here to create some kind of hullabaloo only to gain sympathy . The wining just does not stop. From one thread to another thread, it has been going on since the past fucking 6 months now. What the fuck men--grow UP. The S*F morons who seem to have major psychosomatic disorders , suffer from misogynosis , have blind hatred towards women and have dillusions of being victims, holler on each and every thread whenever the word women and her rights are mentioned. Go see a shrink man to take care of your insecurities.

This is a free country and you all men who claim to be victims of the law can have another bill passed or work on it or do something for yourselves. You all are educated -do something rather than creating a rumpus and crying non stop. It really makes me feel suspicions of your wolf-wolf cry whether it is fake or real. What the fuck men, the ranting just does not seem to stop.

Several women are raped everyday by the second, I do not see them going on a rampage on the internet. They deal with it and seek help from appropriate places.

Hats off to the women who have accomplished this and now gloating over their act. I read a comment where someone pointed out, that sitting on the internet and cheaply attacking the author of this post with adjectives like Supranakas and witches really shows the ******* of these men's balls. How bloody unmanly!

I do not see anything wrong with the contents of the act. There are enough officers appointed who are going to do some research and then apply the sections accordingly. It will not be as easy as it seems or is being made out to be.

1)Daughters are forced into marriages in rural areas and education is stopped or not given at all.
2)They are abused because they are taken as a burden by their rural/village fathers , brothers and mothers.
3) Where the women who is a raped is ordered to marry her rapist

There is nothing wrong with the those village/rural men , they are not wrong, they do not even realize they do wrong. It is the CULTURE. And since the culture cannot be changed and we have failed to change in the past 60years, it is best to incorporate these laws that will instill fear and thus stop the abuse.

Hopefully the next generation of daughters from the villages/rural areas will be better off.

Get a life you men, you put the rest of us in ignominy.



#67
temporal
URL
October 27, 2006
10:51 PM

law and abuse of the law coexist everywhere: in progressive socities the abuse is kept under leash through effective law enforcement

#68
A Reporter
URL
October 28, 2006
02:47 AM

NGOs fear new Act will break families
Vibha Sharma
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, October 26
On the day the government began its crackdown against domestic violence through a brand new Act in the country, several non-government agencies working in the area have voiced concern that the new law might become instrumental in "breaking families" and being misused for "economic blackmail of men".

Terming the new law to make home safe place for women a Divali gift for women, Minister for Woman and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury is upbeat about this new law. But even she cannot help but admit that there is a possibility of it being misused, assuring that all efforts will be made to sensitise officials concerned to ensure that this doesn't happen.

The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005, which came into effect from today, provides protection to wife or female live-in partner from the husband or male live-in partner and also his relatives.

The new law provides an all-encompassing definition of physical violence, stating that domestic violence under the Act included actual abuse or the threat of abuse whether physical, sexual, verbal, emotional or economic.

Harassment by way of unlawful dowry demands to the woman or her relatives will also be covered under the notification. And if a man commits any kind of violence or even insults his wife, he can land in jail with a fine up to Rs 20,000.

However, the law that has not drawn equally positive response from several quarters. Welcoming the law a step in the right direction, Save Indian Family Foundation member Abdul Wajid says it will take more than a law to change perceptions against domestic violence.

"There are problems in every household, but now situations are likely to arise when even after a minor tiff wife might decide to teach her husband a lesson....In this way the Act will only end up destroying families. The Indian joint family has certain framework with a family head, who everyone should respect and obey so the family stays together.. Moreover, it is also a fact that less than 10 per cent of the women who are actual victims of physical or emotional abuse step out of their homes and seek help. Real victims will not even be able to take advantage of the Act as most of them are illiterate and unaware of the law or the police."

Crime Against Man Cell president K.P. Chugh, a Supreme Court lawyer, fears that like Section 498 of the IPC, the new Act might also end up becoming one more way for women to harass men and their families.

" There are 1001 reasons for family discord. Ask any policeman working in the Crime Against Women cell and he will tell you how existing dowry laws are being misused. While real victims are hardly ever able to find justice, dowry laws are blatantly misused as tools of harassment and legal extortion," he says.

Advocate for NGO Shaktivahini Kamal Pandey adds that fate of majority of social legislations shows that implementation of such laws is usually a long delayed process.

"It is a step in the right direction. But I do not see any perceptible change in women's status overnight. Most of the social legislations are never implemented properly... It will take at least a decade before things change and that too provided the government puts proper machinery in place and the implementation agencies like police and women are made adequately aware of the Act," he said.

On its part, the government says that necessary administrative arrangements will immediately be put in place in all states and union territories for the commencement of the Act.

#69
A Reporter
October 28, 2006
02:52 AM

Santosh Kapadia,
Do you think Ms. Geetha Lathur, Ms. Pinky Anand ..like that a lot are there are Male?
Request to stop this agenda men vs women.

As per me this is not a LAW at all , because in a LAW , the procedure are there to check who is wrong and who is right.
This Act like a extrotion, the way does by Underworld Don, just threat and demand the money or property.

Domestic violence to be considered is a "crime" , and punishment should be who ever does it , but if you would like to say , women does not do the domestic violence , i will be happy to know that , but why women's are afrid to include them also... this act does not include the violence against women by another women.. would you please explin why?


#70
A Reporter
October 28, 2006
03:01 AM

Anamika and Neha,Congratulation for your sucess of getting a extrotion tools in the form of DV act( this not a LAW , this is weapen like AK47 , and the same available without any lincence in India) request to make the awareness this Act , the way AIDS control doen in News Media.Let every one know this LAW.

Let this act reach to each and every home.
Please ask your NCW and thier sister terrorist orginasation to spread the same in all News channel in ever 30 mins.

Why suddenly.. all stop !!!!!

#71
Reporter
URL
October 28, 2006
03:04 AM

UN: Women face greatest threat of violence at home

Violence against women by their live-in spouses or partners is a widespread phenomenon, both in the developed and developing world, as well as in rural and urban areas, the most comprehensive and scientific international study on the topic has confirmed.

In interviews with nearly 25,000 women at 15 sites in 10 countries, researchers from the World Health Organization found that rates of partner violence ranged from a low of 15%in Yokohama, Japan, to a high of 71%in rural Ethiopia.

At six of the sites, at least 50%of women said that they had been subjected to moderate or severe violence in the home at some point. At 13 sites, more than a quarter of all women said they had suffered such violence in the past year.

"Violence by an intimate partner is a common experience worldwide," the authors wrote of the findings, which are being published today in The Lancet, a medical journal in London. "In all but one setting, women were at far greater risk of physical or sexual violence by a partner than from violence by other people."

The report says that rural areas tend to have higher rates of abuse than cities. But no area was immune.

While researchers and women's groups have long known that domestic violence was widespread and other, smaller surveys have supported that notion the WHO study adds an important dimension to the topic because it provides an unusual amount of quantitative, scientific data on the subject.

Previous studies had focused mostly on developed countries, indeed mostly on the United States, said Claudia Garca-Moreno, a researcher with the WHO in Geneva who coordinated the study.

Because of a lack of scientific data on the magnitude of such violence, particularly in poorer countries, "there had been a lot of skepticism about whether it was a serious problem" or just a pet peeve of the women's groups, Dr Garca-Moreno said.

Most partner abuse is hidden, and only a tiny fraction is reported to the authorities.



#72
Righta
URL
October 28, 2006
03:05 AM

So Temporal seth, where do u think India stand Progressive, Progressed, Regressive, Regressed?.

My view is only that, just like misuse of 498a, DV is also a prime candidate for misuse(when even pro-DV advocates/activists say that its a loosely framed ACT). In India not many genuinely exercise their rights(they are afraid of courts and other judicial processes- since they have been taught/conditioned that courts and police are "bad" and there is a perceived stigma in involving with/approaching them!), whereas abuse of rights/Acts are rampant(money minded people will be the first one to Tap the avenues made for genuinely disadvantaged people). The same way how 498a is not used by a lot of genuinely harassed wives, even after we advice them to use it at least to get their property back through 'out of the court' settlements(this is a major reason why many girls use 498a, to at least get back their property/gold and get a divorce from an unyielding husband, if not just for ego gratification!). Similar things can happen with DV too, the "advocatus diaboli" will show us how well DV could be misused in the coming days, its going to be easy in conjunction with the ever willing corrupt police and judiciary of India.

So this is to emphasise that no one here can probably be against recourse to rights when its genuinely applicable. I am only wondering how the administrators of a 100 crore plus nation can make such a loosely framed law after apparently considering its for 15 years!!!(someone here says that the Act/Bill was in consideration from 1990s!). They should not be enacting laws which even fails the tests of logic & common sense.

#73
Righta
URL
October 28, 2006
03:08 AM

NGOs fear new Act will break families
Vibha Sharma
Tribune News Service(http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20061027/nation.htm#3)

New Delhi, October 26
On the day the government began its crackdown against domestic violence through a brand new Act in the country, several non-government agencies working in the area have voiced concern that the new law might become instrumental in "breaking families" and being misused for "economic blackmail of men".

Terming the new law to make home safe place for women a Divali gift for women, Minister for Woman and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury is upbeat about this new law. But even she cannot help but admit that there is a possibility of it being misused, assuring that all efforts will be made to sensitise officials concerned to ensure that this doesn't happen.

The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005, which came into effect from today, provides protection to wife or female live-in partner from the husband or male live-in partner and also his relatives.

The new law provides an all-encompassing definition of physical violence, stating that domestic violence under the Act included actual abuse or the threat of abuse whether physical, sexual, verbal, emotional or economic.

Harassment by way of unlawful dowry demands to the woman or her relatives will also be covered under the notification. And if a man commits any kind of violence or even insults his wife, he can land in jail with a fine up to Rs 20,000.

However, the law that has not drawn equally positive response from several quarters. Welcoming the law a step in the right direction, Save Indian Family Foundation member Abdul Wajid says it will take more than a law to change perceptions against domestic violence.

"There are problems in every household, but now situations are likely to arise when even after a minor tiff wife might decide to teach her husband a lesson....In this way the Act will only end up destroying families. The Indian joint family has certain framework with a family head, who everyone should respect and obey so the family stays together.. Moreover, it is also a fact that less than 10 per cent of the women who are actual victims of physical or emotional abuse step out of their homes and seek help. Real victims will not even be able to take advantage of the Act as most of them are illiterate and unaware of the law or the police."

Crime Against Man Cell president K.P. Chugh, a Supreme Court lawyer, fears that like Section 498 of the IPC, the new Act might also end up becoming one more way for women to harass men and their families.

" There are 1001 reasons for family discord. Ask any policeman working in the Crime Against Women cell and he will tell you how existing dowry laws are being misused. While real victims are hardly ever able to find justice, dowry laws are blatantly misused as tools of harassment and legal extortion," he says.

Advocate for NGO Shaktivahini Kamal Pandey adds that fate of majority of social legislations shows that implementation of such laws is usually a long delayed process.

"It is a step in the right direction. But I do not see any perceptible change in women's status overnight. Most of the social legislations are never implemented properly... It will take at least a decade before things change and that too provided the government puts proper machinery in place and the implementation agencies like police and women are made adequately aware of the Act," he said.

On its part, the government says that necessary administrative arrangements will immediately be put in place in all states and union territories for the commencement

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20061027/nation.htm#3

#74
Righta
URL
October 28, 2006
03:11 AM

The article below also will give all of u a better perspective:

"Laws against domestic violence -Underused or Abused? "
Madhu Kishwar

http://www.indiatogether.org/manushi/issue120/domestic.htm

#75
A Reporter
URL
October 28, 2006
03:14 AM

Written by Ms. Madhu Kiswar, and for kind information, she is not a male my dear !!!

Instrument of Blackmail?

Sadly, there are also any number of cases coming to light where Section 498A has been used mainly as an instrument of blackmail. It lends itself to easy misuse as a tool for wreaking vengeance on entire families, because, under this section, it is available to the police to arrest anyone a married woman names as a tormentor in her complaint, as "cruelty" in marriage has been made a non-bailable offence. Thereafter, bail in such cases has been denied as a basic right.

Many allege that such a drastic paradigm shift has lent itself to gross abuse, because arresting and putting a person in jail, even before the trial has begun, amounts to pre-judging and punishing the accused without due process. Although a preliminary investigation is required after the registration of the F.I.R, in practice such complaints are registered, whether the charges are proved valid or not, and arrest warrants issued, without determining whether the concerned family is actually abusive, or they have been falsely implicated. For example, there are any number of cases where the problem is mutual maladjustment of the couple rather than abuse by the entire joint family. However, a host of relatives, including elderly parents, who are not necessarily the cause of maladjustment, have all been arrested and put in jail for varying lengths of time before the trial begins. Lawyers have cited several cases where judges have refused bail unless the accused family deposits a certain sum of money in the complainant's name as a precondition to the grant of bail.

#76
Reporter
URL
October 28, 2006
03:15 AM

Some act..and win
Some react.. poorly

#77
A Reporter
October 28, 2006
03:20 AM

"Most partner abuse is hidden, and only a tiny fraction is reported to the authorities."

My dear frined reporter with reference to your own article one sided ( where the crime against men had not reported at all, any way no problem , the real stastics are available in internate both crime agisnt men as well as crime agaisnt women for comparision),

- On your view , please use the word "Partner" in the LAW itself.

Why you are so afrid to do the same in Domestic violence LAW.

Stop this men vs women gender war, ask your DON to use the word "Partner", so all the problem will be solved ... are you ready ???

#78
Reporter
URL
October 28, 2006
03:27 AM

CNN report

NEW DELHI, India (Reuters) -- Women in India will for the first time be given protection and compensation from abuse endured in their own homes under a new law which comes into force on Thursday.

The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 will recognize all forms of abuse against women in the home, including physical, sexual, verbal, emotional or economic abuse.

A senior official in the ministry of women and child development said the new law meant that marital rape could now be an offence. Previously, husbands could not be prosecuted for raping their wives, unless she was under 15 years old.

Officials say the new law focuses on empowering victims by giving them rights over their abuser's assets, rather than just penalizing offenders.

"It's going to orient women to stand up for their own rights and take the necessary precautions to empower themselves," Renuka Chowdhury, minister of women and child development, said.

According to the National Crime Records Bureau, there were 155,553 crimes committed against women last year -- 68,810 of which were considered to be domestic violence such as dowry deaths and cruelty by husbands and family.

But women's groups say the real figure could be ten times more as many cases go unreported with victims unwilling to speak out, fearing the shame (actual) and stigma associated with being a divorced or separated woman in traditional Indian society.

In addition, many women are financially dependent on their abusers and have nowhere to go if they complain to police about being mistreated, they say.

Officials say the new law will change this by providing for a share of the abuser's property and salary as well as medical damages for physical abuse and in certain cases, he will also have to cover the victim's legal costs.

The law also provides for the appointment of protection officers and private service-providers to help abused women get medical and legal aid and a safe place to stay.

But the most empowering clause relates to the women's right to residence in shared households where the law will protect the rights of victims to secure a house or live in her married home.

Despite some of the most powerful figures in India's political history being women, such as former Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and her daughter-in-law, Sonia Gandhi, who is president of governing Congress-led coalition, the country remains patriarchal.

According to the ministry of home affairs, a crime is committed against a woman in India every three minutes.

The most common reported form of domestic violence is dowry-related, where women are abused and beaten and even killed by their in-laws for not bestowing enough gifts or money to their husbands' families at the time of marriage.

Many die in infamous "stove burnings" in which in-laws set them ablaze and then say it was a kitchen accident.

Women's rights campaigners welcomed the law, which is not only applicable to married women, but also to those in live-in relationships as well as women who are sisters, widows, mothers and single women.

"This bill will provide them with a safeguard and a sort of sword in their hand so that now they are no more a thing, no more an animal and no more a shoe that you can wear any time and throw it any time," said Girija Vyas, chairwoman of the National Commission for Women.




#79
A Reporter
URL
October 28, 2006
03:35 AM

Dear reporter friend, why your NCW want to hide the stastices of Crime against men and Husband killing stastics .. as it is 3 times higher than wives?
Why you want to safe gurd to all those husabnds killer of our society?

According to the National Crime Records Bureau and WHO reports , dear frined just check the stastics , you will find the actul data.
After marriage the Husbands are getting killed 3 times higher than wives, but some pople want to hide the same , do not know why!!!

#80
Reporter
October 28, 2006
03:38 AM

Why shud NCW provide male statistics? It is not our job. We did our job for ourselves. Everyone has to do their own job. Why are you at our mercy that when NCW will glance at your existence.

Everything women will do for you or what. Learn to stand on your own feet.

You make NCM, GO. Do something constructive.

#81
B_right
URL
October 28, 2006
03:47 AM

Divorce rate in india, increased after implementation of Dowry Prohibition Act (IPC 498A) and now after Domestic Violence Act, this will increase 50%, soon there will be more divorcees than married couple, and single parents.

The Act covers women, be they wives,live-in partners, sisters, mothers, mothers-in-law or any other woman relation. Also it says the law covers Any other verbal or emotional abuse.

So far women misused dowry law against husband and his family only,now any women can charge men without any proofs for their complaints.

Our government instead making correction in already widely misused law of IPC 498A, they give another tool to harass men.Result of this,
Indian men will not marry,Indian women.
There will be more one night stand.
Rapes will increase,when men are denied sex at home lawfully.
Men will take law in thier hand when they falsely accused with DV Act and when they did not get justice.
Husband sister or Mother will sue borthers/Sons Father in law,when her brother/Son falsely accused with dowry and DV Act.

It will ruin marriage and Indian Family System only.
wife will sue husband/her Father/Brother in laws, when is not able to adjust to husband family,her one word is enought to arrest all male members of husband Family.
she do not want any proofs and there is no clause to justify how husabnd insulting her or calling her with names.Law will totally fail on this matter.
All Indian women want to make men to be eunuchs, and soon indian will be Land of eunuchs.
Men will Affraid to stay/Marry Indian women,it will give raise in Homos and lesbians.
Men and women endup in One night Stand and there will be bastered kids all over India.
There will be AIDS all over India.

When eunuchs make laws, india will be Doomed, thats the Future i forsee for India

For:
MyNation

#82
A Reporter
URL
October 28, 2006
03:50 AM

Be aready for the future of India, as AK 47 allready arrived in India in the form of DV Act. This is the news from a so colled developed country, be ready for India also.

23 girls brawl over handsome boy

Bulgaria: Police were called in Bulgaria after a mass fight broke out between 23 teenage girls over a handsome male student.

The girls, aged between 15 and 18, used brass knuckles, chains and beer bottles to fight over the lad whose name was not revealed.

The girls, from the Bulgarian capital Sofia, agreed to fight it out and skipped school to meet up in a local playground in the Gorublyane district of the city.

Several girls suffered minor injuries and dozens of passers-by reportedly witnessed the incident.

#83
Righta
URL
October 28, 2006
03:57 AM

Winny Pooooooooooj...., go spread the good news of DV in India, then come back and tell us what happened, in about 1 year.

#84
A Reporter
URL
October 28, 2006
04:00 AM

"Why shud NCW provide male statistics? It is not our job."
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So my dear Reporter friend , good , very good answer... will your "DON" agree to say this oepenly in all News Media???

Ohhh , I forget ....NCW have the whole sale free lincence to hide the stastics to do the Legal terrorism in India.
We got your answer .. tell this openly in all media.. ask your " DON".

By the way, NCW is a goverment recornised orginasation and as per Right to Information act , any one have the right to ask the same.
Other reporter friends can go through the link attached , the stastics and graph for both available men as well as women.

#85
Kumar Pyare
October 28, 2006
05:45 AM

Its like giving a dagger to the killer and asking him to kill leagally in front of everyone knowningly.
It was a pitiable situation that such new sections and laws come up day by day in the society, giving less chances for the families to
continue in peace.....

I hate this DV LAW in the present form , as this LAW will kill the innocent family people.

#86
B_right
URL
October 28, 2006
06:02 AM

SOLUTION FOR DV ACT.

Wanted live in Maid / Servant or Slave.

1). Should be women
2). Should be virgin.
3). Age should be 18+
4). Medically fit.
5). Should not had any Boy Friends
6). Should not have any police record.
7). Should be slim, tall and fair.
8). Should be well verse in all house hold things.
9). Should be Polite and humble.
10) Should be resourceful and willing to learn things.
11) She should allow owner to have sex. (beastality not included)
12) She should have children for her Owner.
13) She should respect owner all family members.
14) If her any givin Information found wrong, contract is terminated without notice and all givin assets seized and charged her with Fraud.
15) She should accompany with Owner for Functions and festivals.
16) She should not have sex other than Owner



Incentives.

1) She will be treated well and Respected.
2) Provided same food as owner
3) Medical bills paid.
4) Allowed to meet her relatives once a week.
5) Allowed to stay with her Family once a month. Or on Festivals and ceremonies.
6) Allowed own her own property and bank account.
7) Enough gold is givin to keep with her and use it.
8) She is allowed have Orgasm.
9) Allowed to go out, with permission.
10) Allowed to sleep till 6AM (Time Varies)
11) Allowed to watch TV and Movies.
12) Allowed to comment and give Advice.
13) Food/Cloths/Shelter Provided or paid in Cash if she want instead.
14) She will get pocket money.
15) Owner will help her in some house Hold things and Raising kids.

FOR:
MyNation

#87
Ajay
October 28, 2006
06:42 AM

Well, B_right has given a lengthy format of what is being wanted from women. But then what about men in a marriage?? He is totally taken for granted. He is expected to don the dubious role of the provider and to go out of his own home early in the morning to slave, slog, compete,work and grovel so that he can earn enough to provide a house, safety, security , food,luxury for his wife.
He is made to return back late at night, tired and exhausted so that he can not even enjoy what he has earned and it is his wife who reaps the benifits of what ever he does!!!!
And he is made to feel that he has done a greatjob and that he should be proud of it. After all, what is he getting out of the marriage?? Why should he he enter the institution of marriage at all. And now the DV ACT!!He can be hauled up any moment at the filmiest of reasons and jailed.
IT IS TIME MEN STARTED TO WAKE UP, START TAKING STOCK AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THEM, START REACTING, START THINKING.
IT IS TIME FOR THE MALE BACK LASH.

#88
Fundoo
URL
October 28, 2006
06:47 AM

Well, Ajay has hit the bulls eye. It time for men to start thinking, analysing, reacting, rejecting and shedding age old behavour modes imposed on him.His non-chalance towards these issues have today led to the introduction of the D.V.Act which is totally ANTI-MALE.
It is time for men to shrug off their ignorance and begin questionig as to what are they getting from the institution of marriage anyway, under the present circumstances and whether at all he should enter into such a distorted institution.

#89
Anadi
October 28, 2006
06:57 AM

It is absolutely true that while today women are taught to think that they are made to slave in the marital home if they have to do the house hold work, they expect the man they marry to nonchalantly go out of his own home FOR THE ENTIRE the day, to slave and slog and earn and sacrifice the last penny of his hard earned income for satisfying the greed of his wife.
But then men are not taught to evaluate it as their slavery nor do women's organisations deem it so. They expect men to mutely go through the rigours of life and to be tremendously satisfied about it.
It is time for the male lash back.The D.V.Act will spell more misery for the Indian man. He will be totally taken for granted,made to slave for his wife and if he refuses, he will be jailed.
IT IS TIME FOR ALL MEN TO UNITE AND TO QUESTION THE TRADITIONAL ROLE MODELS THAT ARE IMPOSED ON HIM. IT IS TIME HE STARTS QUESTIONIONG THE INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE AND WHAT IT MAKES OUT IOF HIM AND FORCES HIM TO DO. IT IS TIME FOR HIM TO PONDER WHETHER HE SHOULD AT ALL ENTER INTO THE INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE OR SIMPLY REJECT IT SINCE IT HAS BECOME REDUNDANT AS FAR AS THE INDIAN MALE IS CONCERNED..

#90
anamika
URL
October 28, 2006
07:13 AM

I am amazed yet again that male posters are hysterical about the collapse of the institution of marriage simply because women now have a legal tool to protest being beaten up, raped, abused or restricted. For the man who created that ad for a slave - you missed out a few things: requirements for that "married" slave according to the male posters include: her willingness to suffer in silence the punches and slaps she receives, determination to be raped constantly at the whim of her husband/master, her ability to work, study, move about curtailed. She has to possess the added benefit of then teaching her daughter to possess the same "qualities." In return, the institution of marriage shall be SAFE. Oh, lets not forget that if a brother beats up his sister,that is also okay. If a father rapes his daughter, that is also okay. All because FAMILY takes precedence over everything. Are you surprised then that women worked so hard for this act.
I am also intrigued by the silence of the usual DC liberal, peaceniks who go hoarse defending Islam, Pakistan, freedom of speech and criticizing the state of the nation. I guess women rights don't merit a "liberal" statement?
Sorely disappointed - Sujai, Mayank et al.

#91
A Reporter
URL
October 28, 2006
07:34 AM

So the gender war started??

New Delhi, Oct. 26: A male backlash against the domestic violence act has begun even before the first man has been booked under the new law.

Save the Indian Family -- a foundation of non-government organisations -- today launched its campaign against the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act in earnest.

"This is nothing but terrorist activity by women's organisations," said Swarup Sarkar, a member of the foundation, which has also been protesting against the anti-dowry law saying it is heavily misused.

"I do not know how many Bhagat Singhs, Jatin Dases and Netajis will be born to stop this legal terrorism," Sarkar said.

From today, all forms of violence at home -- sexual, physical, verbal or economical -- will be punishable under the law. The act, which brings marital rape into the ambit of domestic violence for the first time, ensures protection to not just the wife, but all women sharing a home with a man.

Sachit Dalal, who shares Sarkar's scorn for such laws, has sent a message to the President, Prime Minister, members of Parliament and activists declaring that marriage has been "crucified".

"Finally the women of India have successfully crucified the sacred institution of marriage. When IPC 498 A (anti-dowry law) was not enough to satisfy the modern sadists (women), they introduced the domestic violence bill in order to loot the husband and the family legally," Dalal said.

The domestic violence bill was drawn up amid howls of protest from organisations like Save the Indian Family. Women spearheading the bill were labelled "modern Surpanakhas" and there was a constant barrage of attacks against the law posted on the Internet.

"I have also received such material," said Jyotsna Chatterjee of the Joint Women's Programme, which has been actively involved in drawing up the bill.

Welcoming the legislation, Chatterjee said: "Some people could have experienced the misuse of the anti-dowry law. But how much more have the women suffered?"

She pointed out that "recent studies have shown there has been no change in the way society perceives women. They still remain second-grade citizens".

For Sarkar, Dalal and the cheerleaders of Save the Indian Family, the domestic violence act spells disaster for Indian women, many of whom do not earn and are not educated. They feel the law would lead to a spurt in divorce cases, and these women would be left in the lurch.

Their ire is not just directed at women, though. The men who "yield" to women in their family "deserve" what they get because they are "immature and bloody fools", they say. On the list of "foolish things" are purchasing a house jointly with the wife to "save tax" and buying a car in the wife's name to "please her".

"So Indian men, get up and be prepared to go to jail," Sarkar said.

A study conducted by the Centre for Women's Development Studies in 2002 revealed that 45 per cent of Indian women are slapped, kicked and beaten by their husbands and 50 per cent are kicked and beaten during pregnancy. India has the highest rate of violence during pregnancy.

Among women facing domestic violence, 74.8 per cent had wanted to commit suicide.

But the statistics fail to move Dalal. He says the domestic violence act is worse than the anti-dowry law as it "gives ridiculous rights to women to loot their husbands and in-laws. Women call it gender equality. Some women are bold enough to blurt out that now it is the men's turn to suffer."

#92
B_right
URL
October 28, 2006
07:50 AM

Ajay;[comment 87] Men / Male / Owner will posess same qualities asked from Women.

And she will get all Incentives as said;

Still she goes to police and file False case with the support of 498A and DV,

Is there any protection for men...?

coz no one is there to justify women word, her lies. how law will findout truth is she telling Truth.

Victims AutobioGraphy

#93
A Reporter
October 28, 2006
07:55 AM

Anamika, hope you have to undersand the difference between a LAW and a AK47 without lincence.
This is not a LAW , this is a AK47 without lincence.
Still you have not answered, what is the problem to replace the word men/women to "partner".
Who ever do the domestice violence will get the punishment.
If you are confident women do not do the domestic violence , they will not be punished , if you agree this is a LAW , not a AK47.


#94
Vivek
October 28, 2006
09:55 AM

The gender war has started. D.V. was not aimed at protecting women but is more of a reaction by feminists against the male back lash . They are feeling threatened at men raising their voices against the growing victimisation of men by women in the modern marriage and men challenging feminist concept. Hence this move by women's organisation is to muzzle men.

#95
Wisher
URL
October 28, 2006
09:59 AM

It is time woke up from their stupour. Marriage has become a useless institution as far men are concerned.We men are economically independent.So why marry and sacrifice our hard earned money to support women and be damned for that?? It is time to take a hard look at the reality.

#96
Anish .P.
URL
October 28, 2006
10:04 AM

Wisher is right.Most men are economically independent. So why not live your own life, spend all your money on yourself and be free and independent. Why should men marry at all and run the risk of being arrested and brutalised at the whims of the woman he is marrying.

#97
Pandey
URL
October 28, 2006
10:10 AM

Marriage has lost it's relevance

#98
Fundoo
URL
October 28, 2006
10:18 AM

If there is no marriage, there is no D.V. iT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. It is time women learn to fend for themselves and stop depending on men and make them slaves for women and introduce laws for the physical and economic exploitation of men.

#99
Hulk
URL
October 28, 2006
10:24 AM

It is time men started smelling the coffee. It is time to take a hard look at the institution of marriage and chuck it in the Indian ocean and live a free life.After all you do not depend on women.
It is women who will suffer more if the institution of marriage goes to the docks. That is why they are introducing laws to force men to provide for them even if they are mentally cruel to him.

#100
Santosh Kapadia
October 28, 2006
11:42 AM

Some of the men have totally disgraced themselves.

Ranting and ranting and no onus of responsibility.
I personally know when men leave their wives and children because their demands have not been met.

The some of the above commentators sounds like the most idiotic lot and with every comment they are loosing their dignity and putting foward their scorn distastefully.

#101
Sujai
URL
October 28, 2006
12:54 PM

I couldn't believe when I read so many men writing about marriage and women with such contempt.

We, in India, haven't emancipated our women, and already we are here ready to denounce the liberation of women.

Educated and urban men (who write on these blogs) should understand that it is very different for most rural and semi-urban Indian women. They have not seen their emancipation as yet. They have not found their dignity as yet. Abuse, domestic violence, degradation is extremely common and they are nowhere close to getting their share of dignity. Few and meager examples where men get harassed should be seen as exceptions, not the norm.

This law should be welcomed by both men and women. Of course, there will always be some cases of misuse. That's no good excuse for shunning the law. We have come long way from burning our widows. But we haven't come far enough. We are still very far away from granting equal dignity to women in this country. And seeing some of the responses on this blog, I feel that we are eroding even those half-grown values.

Men are being selfish. Very selfish. They are looking at their own cosy little world and want to protect it. They are not bothered about so many women in this country who take birth and die not knowing what it means to read, see the light of knowledge, know what it means to desire, make choices, and take independent decisions that affect her and her life. We have lost many Marie Curies and many Jane Austens.

#102
William Shakespeare
URL
October 28, 2006
02:53 PM

William Shakespeare mentioned in one of his epic
"JELOUSY AND CHEATING IS THE OTHERSIDE OF A WOMAN "

#103
PanicIndian
October 28, 2006
03:06 PM

While almost all news agency is talking about DV act being good and encouraging India to have achieved this milestone, they are completely ignoring the ground facts or may be they are not aware of it. An ordinary look into Indian family will clearly reveal that mothers, sisters, daughters aren't abused nor do they need protection. In some worse case wives used to be abused but that too years ago and today there are more cases of IPC 498A abuse that use of it. Often these bad wives use children as their weapon to harass their husbands and inlaws and in that process children lose the vital part of their life and education. This additional law will only increase the mess and would do no good to children, elders and other women in an Indian family. Media shouldn't be blind to this fact and contribute in raising such issues rather than going with the flow and writing symmetrical reports to gain publicity.

#104
BlackBox-Truth
October 28, 2006
03:32 PM

Sujai #101,

Do you think women are benefitting from 498a or DP or Dv act.? i don't think so, basing my intensive research on this for 3 yrs.

It is women orgs and media which brought this hype of dowry killing and suicide of women.

Here are the real statistics"
Men:women is 1:1.1 suicide rates before men get married.
After marriage in 35s/40s men: women 3.4:1. may be this is surprsising for you. you know why this is hidden for decades, power of women orgs and processions all over india.

I agree women are suffering , for that we need social thinkers/social engineers to design laws. Our structure is very sensitive and complex. majority women org mbrs I believe are men hatred because of their personal marital problems. they take rvenge on society this way or for fund-for-selfish reasons. otherwise, funds gets stopped from various international organisations in miilions of they can't produce data or media news back to such organisatins. Lawyers, bad politicinas eveyrone is involved to have such laws in society one sided, coz they are surviving mainly on this. 72% cases in Indian courts are related to these cases only. If I am wrong do your intensive silent research. your research can be extensive, but do it without hate mongering.
you know western life, I see western lifefor last 6 yrs. Its absolutely give and take, and nothing else.

It is absolutely hype that women of india has been suffering from ages. no one is calmly researching this.
If you closely notice with indian city women and western women, you will find that indian women look healthy, shining and colored even in 40s/50s; compare it with same city men, you will reveal yourself secret of life in india. Men are oily/dull/peechy/un shining weak...majority are like as such..with bald head..this is not one generation effect...research into it...

This happens for stress through several generations to feed/provide for fello family members.

Problem is mind less and hurry more men in India are 90%. They are shouting and thinking that they are male dominated. but in reality it is their shouting and posing. These men blindly support and feed family/spouse without any reciprocation back from them. This never happens anywhere part of the world. Only developing nations.

Bringing laws like dvact/dpact/498a with much loops holes to misuse is nothing but, we are dragging this chance from women. these laws scaring men. Educated women are bad and good and same as men. So, laws should be designed carefully and not like this.

"I can't ask my wife her salary to share for me or my children (regardless of whether she can give her money to her parents) , but I must pay rent or give her money for day to day chores, othewise 20,000 Rs or 1 yr jail with non-bail."
Do you thnk how many gentleman start thinking seriously about staying with a wife in controlling environment.?

We are getting globalization, men start thinking seriously and twice about feeding or providing women. Acutally this is the century, wives in India have pamper husbands for the change of mind set; instead these things exponentially cause divroces in the soceity.
I will never leave my son to live with a women who controls him and gets him depressed mentally or physically. I dont want any inch of his bone to get reduced. When I thnk this much about my son, do you think I can marry with such laws and knowing reality of generation of men faces/physical structure...

These laws breaking the foundations of marriage. If women are abused at home and fresh wounds exists on the body, that is called domestic violence and laws should be designed as such.
what are these bloody things that women after coming to parental home and 1 yr later filing non-bailing 498a seciton on husbands. 98% of cases are acquitted in 498a though judges in india are far women biased just like blind media.

Men come of marriage in India, it is dangerous task for him, but for women it is finger tip. Is this human rights? If one knows his wife is adultery women, he has to think 10 times before leaving her and to go for mahabhart yudh preparation of 498a. And you call this a law.

Definition of a law from webster or oxford should be fair and free for the society. where is fairness here? why women are seen differently in society with vedic age look as laxmi or sita, when they are really not in urban india.

4 out of 6 girls you meet on the road in cities know about dance clubs and they are same or faster than boys and how do you think, I can let my son to be in their hands with these weapons. I dare to send my son to live with one such spouse, provided if both have fairness towards law. If he is cheated, he comes out of her or she should. But it costs 5 to 8 yrs on avg. to come out of courts to resolve a marital conflict. I say average.

I know many women who couldnt cope with husband family, could never cope with her own brothers wives at parental home and came out of 2 or 3 more such marriages later. What ever may be the problem after marriage, men and his family is blidnly accused.

tell me how many cases when a women die at husband family is not arrested? may be 5%. Police runningly catch, in-laws running file complaint to gain lumpsump from son-in-law to take advantage from own dauthers natural death.

this seems un real but these are 100% reall and happenings as usually in urband india.

I say at the end -- there is no MEN or no WOMEn. Only lies is good and bad. But bad ppl are acausing all problems.

#105
rajan
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October 28, 2006
03:45 PM

1) SUICIDE RATE BEFORE MARRIAGE IN INDIA MEN:WOMEN 1:1.1 , AFTER MARRIAGE IN 30s/40s 3.4:1. 3.2 TIMES MEN DIE. IT INCREASING FURTHER
AFTER 50S AND 60S

2) ALL INDIAN STATISTICS FROM ALL AGENCY IS GOING BY police FIRs AND NOT BY COURT CONVICTIONS FROM 2 DECADES. FROM COURT IT IS 8% OUT OF THEM. IT IS A SURPRISE!! BCOZ NONE RESEARCHED.

3) 68% OF THESE FIRs ARE (44,000/YR) ARE RELATED TO MISUSE 498A.

4)MEDIA HYPE IN INDIA ABOUT BIASING WOMEN ON THIS FOR LAST 2 DECADES MADE TO THINK PPL(PARTICULARY YOUNG WOMEN) LIKE THIS, AND NO ONE IS INVESTIGATING THE REALITY.

5) ELDER ABUSE IN INDIA IS THE 4TH LARGEST IN THE WORLD

6) EVERY 3RD FAMILY HUSBAND IN URBAN INDIA IS SILENTLY SUFFERING REGARDLESS OF GOVT SERVANT OR PRIVATE

7) 498A IS FILED FOR MENTAL HARRASSMENT IN 92% CASES. REMAINING DOWRY DEMAND REASONS. NO FRESH WOUNDS ON THE BODY AT ALL, AND THESE 92%
STATISTICS FIRs PARTICIPATE IN JUDGING CRIME AGAINST WOMEN IN INDIA LARGELY

8) MEN ARE DYING AND GETTING PEECHY/WEAK/DEPRESSION DUE TO HEAVY BURDEN FROM HOME AND OUTSIDE AND NO ONE CARES AND BOTHERS

9)DIABESTES RATES FOR INDIAN MEN IN 40s IS ONE LARGEST IN THE WORLD

10) 7000 WOMEN DIE BY SUICIDE EVERY YR, BUT 22000 MEN DIE BY SUICIDE, WHY THESE STATISTICS ARE HIDDEN STATING OTHER REASONS.

11) INDIA GOT MORE THAN 400 WOMEN ORGS, THIS IS THE MAIN REASON FOR MEDIA HYPE AND SPOILING MINDS OF EVERYONE IN INDIA FOR FUND-FOR-
SELFISH REASONS.

#106
Righta
URL
October 28, 2006
03:50 PM

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061027/asp/frontpage/story_6923154.asp : "Malevolence for women's law"- Men go to PM against female 'terrorist activity'
MONOBINA GUPTA , The Telegraph, Calcutta

#107
Pathetic!
URL
October 28, 2006
10:25 PM

The posters above have just confirmed the need for the DV act. Sujai - thanks for the post, although must say it was lacking the passion that you usually bring to your postings. But we must be grateful for any support forthcoming.
Seems that many posters came up with statistics but have refused to provide the sources for the same. We know that the statistics for crimes against women in India are from UN as well as local authorities. Can you tell me where the data about men is coming from?
Also strange that everyone is focussing on how married women deal with their partners. But the DV bill also covers women who are mistreated by their sons, brothers and fathers. I assume there is no threat there to men?
Black box talks about what he would do for his son. I guess he need not worry about teaching his daughter the basic idea of gender equality.
Oh - guys who are screaming blue murder about getting married - research from various developed and under developed countries shows a simple fact: marriage cuts down the longevity of women while prolonging that of men. So for all the screaming about money, YOU get married because you live longer while you are married and have women to take care of you. On the other hand, all data shows, marriage is a poor life style choice for women - life indicators, economic indicators, psychological wellbeing included. So stop screaming and be grateful!

#108
rajan
URL
October 29, 2006
12:21 AM

Here is the data you asked for:
suicide stats

For FIR and 498a conviction rate; pls. see or ask any lawyer in India, whether conviction rate is 2% or not in the last 10 yrs. Meanwhile, I search the article. For other info above..pls. research yourself, if one is interested seriously for infrastructure of the country. I will update STATS...

#109
B_right
URL
October 29, 2006
12:29 AM

Fundoo; [comment 98]
DV Act Reads as this.....

The Act covers women, be they wives,live-in partners, sisters, mothers, mothers-in-law or any other woman relation. Also it says the law covers Any other verbal or emotional abuse.

Read this Act in Detail here
Domestic Violence ActBefore you write something.

#110
B_right
URL
October 29, 2006
12:40 AM

Sujai #101

If rural women and semi urbal women are harassed, go and tell them there is law against harassment;

We are not against using law against men who harass thier women.

but make sure modern / urban women not misuse 498A or Dv law.

do you think 498A served its purpose and wisely used...?

NO.

As per study it says 98% complaints are false.

then what about 98% Victim men, is there any punishment those legal Terrorist...? Instead government is giving another WMD (weapon of men Destruction) in the Hands of women

what is the use..?

Shall we take law into our hand and shoot,these legal Terrorists...when we do not find JUSTICE from Judiciary.

Read, how i harassed by law under 498A, for not taking single paise as dowry for last 7 years,still there is not justice.

If i shot her the day before she filled 498A,Today i would be FREE man. but not with this 498A

#111
B_right
URL
October 29, 2006
12:47 AM

BlackBox-Truth #104;

Good writeup; keep it up and keep coming.
but you forgot to mention;

In india 498A can be filed Even before marriage and After divorce.

thats mockery of LAW,or shall we call eunuchs Laws.

For:
MyNation

#112
anamika
October 29, 2006
01:09 AM

wonderful...

#113
null and void
URL
October 29, 2006
01:52 AM

BlackBox-Truth #104
What you said is absolutely true. Men have to suffer through out their lives but they are taught that it is manly and masculine not to whimper and highlight it. Since his childhood he is taught that he should be stoic and not express his emotional and physical trauma.
In a marriage he is made to go out of his own home early in the morning to slave and slog to earn and provide for his wife and he comes back home late in the evening dog tired even to enjoy the results of his hard labour. It is his wife who benifits . He is made to fight it out in the harsh , grim and ruthless world outside so that his wife can live off him. And in return what he gets is blood pressure,diabeties,tension related disease, stroke. These are diseases which men suffer from predominantly. And why? Because men are made to adopt such life styles.
And on the top of it he is duped into believing from his early childhood that it is his honourable duty and responsibility to do it. He is dumped with the dubious role of the provider, protector and the head of the family and is conditioned to go through the trauma all through his life and feel that he doing a great job!!!
And now, he is at the mercy of his wife who can haul him to jail on the silghtest pretext of emotional abuse, imagined or otherwise.
WHAT ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL HARASSMENT THAT MEN HAVE TO UNDERGO IN THE HANDS OF THEIR WIVES.

#114
Manoj Srivastava
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October 29, 2006
01:55 AM

Null and void has hit the bulls eye. With changing social concepts and norms, it is essential for men to re-evaluate their roles, responsibilities, role models that are thrust on him. It is time to seriously analyse the institution of marriage and what men are getting out of it in the present context.

#115
A.Nag
URL
October 29, 2006
02:03 AM

Some of the women posters here are accusing men of being irresponsible!!!!
It is totally wierd!!!Men are not supposed to question, protest and analyse just as feminist are and have been doing? If men do it then they are irresponsible! What nonsense!!
If the institution of marriage has been twisted out of shape wherein at the slightest emotional harassment, a wife can have the husband arrested but a husband does not have similar rights, then it is very natural for men to question whather it is ater all advisable to enter into the institution of marriage.
It is natural for men to start seriously pondering as to what he may gain from marriage and what he stands to lose. He has the right to take his own decision and not to go on pretending as to how "responsible" he is.

#116
Siddhu
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October 29, 2006
02:09 AM

Today, it is women who have ushered in the concepts of live-together whereby the institution of marriage has been challenged.
So if men start thinking similarly due to such atrocious acts like D.V. wherein he can be booked even on the grounds of the slightest mental harassment by his wife , while he cannot similarly book his wife even if she hurls intense mental and emotional abuse at him, why are women getting so alarmed at the idea of men questioning the institution of marriage and rejecting it if he so feels?

#117
Sunny
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October 29, 2006
02:14 AM

This law has all the potentialities of being tremendously abused by women who can get a man arrested at her slightest whims. If that be so, then why enter into a marriage or a live -together relation wherein he fears that he can be put behind bars any time , any day, any minute.
In view of these circumstances, men have all the right in the world to decide about their lives and avoid marriage or live-in.

#118
B_right
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October 29, 2006
02:18 AM

1) She will be treated well and Respected.
2) Provided same food as owner
3) Medical bills paid.
4) Allowed to meet her relatives once a week.
5) Allowed to stay with her Family once a month. Or on Festivals and ceremonies.
6) Allowed own her own property and bank account.
7) Enough gold is givin to keep with her and use it.
8) She is allowed have Orgasm.
9) Allowed to go out, with permission.
10) Allowed to sleep till 6AM (Time Varies)
11) Allowed to watch TV and Movies.
12) Allowed to comment and give Advice.
13) Food/Cloths/Shelter Provided or paid in Cash if she want instead.
14) She will get pocket money.
15) Owner will help her in some house Hold things and Raising kids.

As Said ,these incentives if i get i`m ready to do all house hold things as stated in #86.Other than giving birth to a child.

Same i asked my Beloved wife,Bring money or earn as much money i earn and pay all the bills.

But she refused, and said "I`m not your slave to do all house hold things"

Moral of the Story...
Indian women do not want
Peacefull home and Family
Live with husbands parents.
Spend thier Salary on house hold
They do not want to Raise kids and take their responsiblities

They just want to
Control men (Husband)
Husband money and Property.
They want a Puppet Husband who dance to thier Tune

#119
Anand
URL
October 29, 2006
02:22 AM

Sunny,$117, I fully agree with you that " why enter into a marriage or a live -together relation wherein he fears that he can be put behind bars any time , any day, any minute".
Why live in fear through out your life when you are economically independent. Why marry at all and get into trouble? Your wife can have extra marital affairs and if you protest, she can have you arrested on the grounds of mental harassment. And if you have an affair, even then she can haul you to the police on the similar charges of mental harassment.You get the picture ?She can abuse you totally and if you react or protest , you go to jail.
SO WHY GET INTO THE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. AVOID MARRIAGE OR A LIVE-IN.



URL

#120
WISHDOM
URL
October 29, 2006
02:33 AM

Marriage has lost it's relevance. Why get into the trouble ? Live your own life, spend all your hard earned money on yourself and enjoy life. And sex?? In the era of free sex that is not a problem.
At least you will not end up behind bars without any rhyme or reason or for no fault of yours.If you marry , you will be terrorised through out your life by your wife that she will lodge a false complain. She can even have sex with her boyfriend in the bed room of your own house in front of your eyes, and later on have you arrested by lodging a false complain to the police, if you want to file for a divorce or protest.
It is time to wake up.

#121
null and void
URL
October 29, 2006
07:42 AM

Wishdom is right. Under the current circumstances , marriage needs to be reanalysed.

#122
PARTHO
URL
October 29, 2006
07:48 AM

This law can be abused widely and rampantly by women . Men will be under perinial fear, THROUGH OUT HIS LIFE as he can be booked on the flimsiest of causes and reasons. When you are living with a person, there are quarrels,arguments,differences of opinions with your spouse. In any event your wife can get you behind bars on the grounds of emotional harassment at the flimsiest of reasons, which can not be proved or disproved. It is only the word of the woman and she can break hell on you.
Most men are today not aware of the ramifications of D.V.THERE IS NO OTHER WAY BUT TO ABSTAIN FROM MARRIAGE OR A LIVE IN IF MEN HAVE TO SURVIVE.

#123
Sumanth
URL
October 29, 2006
01:23 PM

Statistics on Domestic Violence in Indian or Western world are same. Both Men and Women get abused equally by their intimate partners. Women are mentally more violent where as men are physically more violent.

In the end, the pain and the deaths due to DV are same for both Genders. As Men are considered disposable by all societies, so there are no provisions for protection for men from their wives, of brothers/fathers of their wives.

I know that BJP delayed this law by 10 years. This law was supposed to come in 1994. In US the equivalent law is known as VAWA.

The law Section 498a dwarfs the newly proposed DV law. So, the DV law can actually allow a guy to buy time as it is not a criminal law. A female will most likely file DV law before filing 498a.

We SIF guys should be happy because DV law will bring 10 times more men and their families to our folds. We will train men to campaign for stopping "protection and providing" for all females. For the first time in the history of Human Kind men will go beyond their evolutionary instinct of "Protecting and Providing" for women and family. Today, Men get a kick out of protecting and providing...

Finally, the Govt and Feminists are on a difficult ground. Indian Laws can only trap an ignorant, foolish husband. But, once the guy knows all the rope tricks, nobody can touch him.

The "recordings of abuse (of husband) by wife" by video cameras and mobile phones by husbands will simply neutralise all the advantages it has for the unscrupulous. So, I feel SIF should welcome this law as it will give us more recruits.


#124
Sumanth
URL
October 29, 2006
01:39 PM

One good thing about Indian laws is, they are equal for rich, poor, politicians, judges, police and IAS guys.

So, already enough numbers of judges, politicians and IAS guys are living under threats of 498a. All these guys are creating massive systemic backlash.

So, this new DV law will take another 5 years to get implemented.

Anamika, if Indian women are suffering from DV and all diseases, then why they are living about 3-years more than an average Indian male?

Please check the stats on all diseases for both Genders?

Please check how many women were ever arrested for driving their husbands to suicide?

Its time, women in India start paying dearly for the game they only started. In US, the women getting jailed on a regular basis for all their misdeeds. Please look at the recent trends. Some beautiful damshels have started spending months and years in Indian Jails.




#125
meerakaura
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October 29, 2006
08:35 PM

I think this law comes with, as usual, some good and some bad points...The good thing about this law is that the complainant need not be the 'victim' herself...but I would not like the penalty aspect of being sent to jail and fine of Rs. 20000...it won't help as it break family ties...it would be difficult for husband and wife to live together after that, if the wife stated before the authorities that he practiced domestic violence. To be precise, instead of treating it as a criminal offence, it should be treated as a civil wrong.

#126
Sumanth
URL
October 29, 2006
10:36 PM

If any law is onesided and when the doors of justice and fair play are denied to one of the parties, people will take the law into their hands.

If a guy can get jailed when he is innocent, then soon husbands may prefer to beat the shit out of the female and then go to jail. In a more sophisticated way, a husband may go to local goons and start talking about paying money to them for getting the brothers and father of the female beaten up.

Today, often the female's parents pay bribe to police to harass the guy and his family. This is same as giving supari to a goon to harass and extort money. Its just a matter of time husbands may get to supari domain when they do not find justice in legal system.

These laws seem to benefit the woman on paper. In reality, I do not know even a single woman who has improved her life by filing these cases.

Men want DV and 498a. Because they are fed up protecting their sisters and daughters from the husbands. Its Men's revenge on other men/husbands (who screwed their sisters or daughters). Are woman just pawns in this game between two gangs of men?

Men of course do not like other men having sex with females. Men subconciously compete for sex. This includes all men including the ones who make laws in a parliament where women are just a minority.

In India, men start having sex at an average age of 25 which is much higher than many other countries. Laws like DV and 498a are mainly a competitive game between men to deny each other the sex. So, its natural that there will be a boom in Pondy industry and also number of rapes that are committed.

We are at cross roads. But, its a very interesting game for everyone. Its just a matter of time the complete legal system will breakdown with overload and bad laws. Then people will take law into their hands.

#127
Miss.Thailand
URL
October 29, 2006
11:27 PM

SIF should open its Branch office at Bangkok Thailand. Journey to Bangkok is much cheaper that handling an Indian Bitch for one month.

#128
B_right
URL
October 30, 2006
12:15 AM

we all know what we get so cheap in Thailand.
Thats why foriegners travel to your country.

SIF will not open our branch in Thailand were Flesh business flourish

#129
Ashish
October 30, 2006
12:33 AM

D.V. is a demonic law brought out to solely deal with the male back lash. Feminist organisations are feeling threatened at the thought of men questioning some blatantly female chauvinistic ideas propagated in the name of women's lib. Now they want to control men by passing such atrocious laws.

#130
Indian Father
URL
October 30, 2006
12:34 AM

CONSIDER A HOUSE HOLD IN INDIA.THE HOUSE HOLD CONSISTS OF HUSBAND AND WIFE WITH/WITHOUT A CHILD WITH/WITHOUT HUSBANDS PARENTS.

IN 99% OF THE HOUSEHOLDS HUSBAND IS ALWAYS ELDER TO THE WIFE.WIFE BEING YOUNGER THAN THE HUSBAND SHOULD LISTEN TO HIM.THIS WILL CREATE HARMONY IN THE HOUSE. IF BOTH WANT TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECESIONS THEN IT WILL ENDUP IN CONFLICT.THE DV ACT WILL INCREASE THIS CONFLICT IN THE HOUSEHOLD AND EVENTUALLY END UP IN SEPERATION OF HUSBAND AND WIFE.

ONE THING IS CERTAIN THESE COURTS,LAGAL SYSTEM AND LAWYERS CANNOT RUN A FAMILY THEY WILL INFACT RUIN THE HOUSEHOLD BY MAKING EVERY ISSUE BIG IN THE HOUSE.

THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WOMEN WERE RESPECTED IN THE SOCIETY BECAUSE SHE WAS THE PERSON WHO USED TO PUT EFFORTS TO KEEP THE FAMILY TOGETHER.

BUT THE LAWS LIKE 498A AND DV ACT HAVE GIVEN RISE TO A MODERN INDIAN FEMALE WHO
A.DOES NOT HAVE KNOW HOW TO DRESS UP IN PUBLIC AND TALKS ABOUT HARASSMENT

B.DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO RESPECT THE HUSBAND AND ELDERS IN THE FAMILY

C.GETS INVOLVED IN EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS BY USING THESE LAWS TO HER ADVANTAGE.

D.GOES ALL THE WAY IN USING THE CHILD CUSTODY(IF ANY) AS A THREATENING TOOL TO HURT THE HUSBAND.

NOW LET US THINK ABOUT THE VIOLENCE IN THE HOUSEHOLD.

1.THERE ARE INSTANCES WHEN WIVES HAVE BEEN USING KITCHEN KNIVES TO STAB AND KILL THE HUSBANDS.

2.THERE ARE INSTANCES WHEN WIFE HAS POISONED THE FOOD GIVEN TO THE HUSBAND.(GOD ONLY KNOWS HOW MANY HUSBANDS HAVE DIES IN THIS WAY)

3.TEHRE ARE INSTANCES WHEN WIFE TRIES TO FORCE HUSBAND INTO SEXUAL ACT TO SATISFY HER BURNING DESIRE. ISNT THIS SEXUAL HARASSMENT?

4.WIVES DRESSING UP AND DOING MAKEUP IN A PROVOCATIVE MANNER ITSELF IS A SEXUAL HARASSMENT ON MEN.

5.WIVES COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LOW SALARY OF THEIR HUSBAND CAUSES EXTREME MENTAL PAIN TO THE HUSBAND.SOME HUSBANDS HAVE ENDED UP COMMITTING SUICIDES BECAUSE OF THIS.

6.WOMEN ARE INCREASINGLY USING THE BENEFITS OF CHILD CUSTODY RIGHTS AS A TOOL TO HARASS THE HUSBAND MAKING HIM GO INTO DEPPRESSION.

7.WORKING MOTHERS ARE NEGLECTING THE CHILDREN IN THE HOUSE.THEY BEAT THE CHILDREN TO DISCIPLINE THEM.ISNT THIS A HARASSMENT ON THE INNOCIENT CHILD WHO CANNOT EVEN COMPLAIN? ALL MOTHERS WHO BEAT THE CHILD SHOULD BE ARRESTED WITH A NON-BAILABLE ,COGNIZABLE AND NON COMPOUNDABLE LAW.

CAN THE FAMILIES SURVIVE WITH THESE LAWS?


THANKS,
INDIAN FATHER

#131
Persecuted
URL
October 30, 2006
12:41 AM

If this law is really implemented and is abused as a weapon by women to flay men, then I think men have to seriously start re-thinking about the concept of marriage itself.
Why get into the system of marriage in the first place when you will have a gun pointed at your head all your life by a woman who can pull the trigger any time she wants,at the flimsiest of reasons and as per her whims.
This is a serious issue of which most men are blissfully unaware of.

#132
BlackBox_Truth
URL
October 30, 2006
01:09 AM

ONE SOLUTION TO FAMILY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS "EASY COME OUT OF MARRIGE "AND CIVIL FIGHT AT COURT. THIS REDUCES ABRUPT 50% DOMESTIC CRIMES IN THE
COUNTRY. THIS WAY WOMEN GETS FINANCIAL COMPENSATION FOR A WHILE BEFORE THEY DECIDE AGAIN.

==OTHERWISE==
There will be too many murders in many families now. Story is closed for any
Indian husband to come out of marriage with duplication of domestic violence and 498a with emotional/econonmic abuse.

AS LONG AS THERE IS NO EASY WAY PROVIDED TO COME OUT OF BAD NON WORKING
MARRIAGES, THERE IS A BIG POSSIBILITY OF MORE DANGER KILLING CRIMES AGAINST WIVES.

-MAN LOOSES HIS TEMPER;

-BRAIN GETS INTO DEPRESSION AND IMBALANCE STATE CAUSE SUCH MURDERS.

-MAN NEEDS CALM DOWN STATE TO MOVE AWAY FROM DISRUPTED FAMILY FOR A FEW DAYS

-EMOTIONAL, ECONOMIC, LEGAL TERRORISM FEAR MAKES MEN TO LOOSE CONTROL COMPLETELY, FOR CENTURIES MEN ARE LEARN HEAD OF FAMILY; THESE LAWS ARE
OPPOSITE TO THAT...

INTELLIGENCE AND RESEARCH IS REQUIRED TO SOLVE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN INDIA AND NOT WOMEN ORGS SPONSORED MEN HATRED LAWS. GOVT. OF INDIA THINK ABOUT THIS.

#133
Sudhir
URL
October 30, 2006
06:28 AM

Laws once framed get totally scrapped only if there is a mass upheaveal.That is not a probability in the near future as most men are unaware of the frightening possibilities of THE abuse of D.V.Give it another 5 years, and the abuse will be so wide spread and cutting across men of all stratas that men will have to come out of their shells, combine, and protest and decide accordingly.

#134
Anil morampodi
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October 30, 2006
06:45 AM

BLACK-BOX has said that men have learnt to be heads of families, the provider and protector since centuries . It is exactly this that he has to now learn to let go.There is no point in trying to don the role of the provider and the head of the family. He has to learn to teach himself that he will be put to more economic and mental exploitation by feminists unless he lets go of these trappings.
It is exactly these role models that feminists, by the D.V. act, are trying to forcibly impose on men. D.V. states that men have to keep on providing for women even if she is mentally cruel to him. It does not have any space for the man to get out of a bad and failed marriage. It does not allow a man to walk out of a fruitless marriage and file for divorce and look for a brighter future. D.V. stresses that at the slightest hint of the husband protesting in a bad marriage, he is liable to be jailed by his errant wife. It states that he has to slave and slog and economically provide for her even if she is having an extramarital affair and if he protests and refuses , she can get him arrested.
Hence, D.V. is nothing but a desperate attempt by feminists to force men to go on discharging his traditional and outmoded role models, while women themselves have rejected their own role models.
A WOMAN CAN WALK OUT OF A BAD MARRIAGE ANY TIME SHE WANTS TO BUT D.V. STATES THAT IF A MAN DOES SO, HE WILL BE JAILED AT THE BEHEST OF HIS WIFE.
SO it is time to shed the trappings of the head of the family if men want to survive.

#135
Anadi
URL
October 30, 2006
07:01 AM

As the abuse of D.V. grows in the coming months, men will have to seriously start thinking about the entire concept of family,parent hood, marriage and the social structure and relationship with women. He has to radically change. His concepts have to be totally altered. It will be painful but he has got to do it if he has to survive.

#136
Null and void
URL
October 30, 2006
07:11 AM

As many paeprs have reported, D.V. WAS AIMED BY FEMINISTS AND WOMEN'S ORGS. TO COUNTER THE MALE BACK LASH. It is pretty sick. These feminists themselves propagate outrageous and double standard, sexiest ideas, and if men find out faults with them and protest and react, they introduce acts like D.V. to "control" men.
In reality D.V. has only added fuel to the male lashback.

#137
Righta
URL
October 30, 2006
09:21 AM

The theory that men are from mars and women from venus, is starting to look very true, its almost like born enemies that they are treating each other these days(even when they are united in a marriage). Is it the materialistic culture which has brought about this intolerance, disrespect, agression, one-up(wo)manship, competition between genders?.

Both genders evolved the way they did only to compliment each other and be total when in unison. Ardhanareeswara concept is very relevant here, which basically says that every person ideally would have qualities of both genders(courage and compassion, aggression and patience, strength and subtleness and such other dipolar qualities), so if we ourselves are built of two distinct but seemlessly blended parts,which part are we loathing and why at all?

But in this age each person is trying to show his so-called "self-reliance"(me myself and my solitude/ego), well the cycle of life won't allow that un-natural trend, the sooner people learn to respect and love, to care and share, the better we all will get. Else courts will be full of warring couples(with no avail), who won't even know why they started the fight in the first place!.

Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu
Avigna masthu

#138
Righta
URL
October 30, 2006
09:44 AM

Husbands protest Domestic Violence Act-Times Now.TV
http://www.timesnow.tv/articleshow/219068.cms
Sunday, October 29, 2006 06:40:37 pm

The Akhil Bhartiya Patni Atyachar Virodhi Sangh or the All India Harassed Husbands Association staged a demonstration against the Domestic Violence Act that was enforced late last week.

The protestors said that the Bill is biased against men and therefore does nothing to deliver them from the suffering they have had to endure at the hands of their oppressive spouses.

Darshan Devda, Secretary, Akhil Bhartiya Patni Atyachar Virodhi Sangh said, "The Act is not just. It should give equal rights to both the husband as well as the wife."

Another protestor strongly criticised the act, calling it repressive. "The act is repressive. The new generation might even fear from getting married."

The men may have a point. There is at least one school of thought that points to clauses in the Act are open to misuse.

In Chapter 4, clause S 17, the Act gives a woman unprecedented stake in her marital home. It says 'a part of the house can even be allotted to her for her personal use even if she has no legal claim or share in the property.'

In the same chapter, Clause S.18, the Act protects woman from acts of violence or even 'acts that are likely to take place in the future.'

In Chapter 5, clause S.32 (part 2) says that "under the sole testimony of the aggrieved person, the court may conclude that an offence has been committed by the accused."

It is precisely against these so-called arbitrary clauses that the men have come together in a protest that has Gandhian overtones.

#139
BlackBox_Truth
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October 30, 2006
02:16 PM

== to any responsible women of India==

you mean this dv/dp/498a act in its form is good for the country, unless you are thinking of your children or you are married and aged..

My mother never; uprightly throw it away. Reasons ==>

In Western nations, women are not supported by husband or anyone. It goes by give and take policy in marriage. In 2005 as per USA census it is said Marriage is getting extinct in USA.

do you think any man on the land of india will accept someone he is feeding can control him meaninglessly? by criminal terror fear. Marriage will 100% destroy in a year or 10 yrs, But certainly it will. I guess, outsiders of india is involved for this.

Those women, who are not thinking and running fastly behind feminist organisations are not thinking in a dimension calmly whether it really helps preserve our culture and soul.

These laws will be used sprucely by manipulative women largely. If any sita using it, her mind will be slowly spoiled by other bad women to misuse it and "umbrella of control" starts in her family. Marriage closes shortly.

How can a luv/trust/attachment relationship runs with police, using economic/emotional abuse without physical abuse?

In otherwords, we are getting pulled by western nations for their form of life style. no one is thinking about this.

un married women age grows and they will be more burdened like western women to manage herself or her father less(if) family. No man will come forward to marry her or to live with her in fear of 498a or DV act. what will be the fate of the country?

If you see urban women look healthy and ready for beauty contest, but even higher position men or a bureacrat look dry face, peechy personality or dull/pale structure. Am I wrong in not making this research properly? though we call india, male-dominated, it is never. These men are attached and running their families blindly with no expectation. Such highly position kinda men never take care of their women such way in any part of western life. This happens only in India. Now these men start thinking seriously. These men learn theri sons to stay away from urban women for marriages.

Laws when designed in bias to women should have been designed bias towards education and literacy as well. Govt must had designed DVact or
498a differently for educated women after 10th or intermediate atleast, so that misuse gets stopped and country would have flourished infrastructurally. Urban educated ill-women is as cruel as a urban educated ill-men. dont you agree? In that case, how do you agree to keep such laws in the hands of such women? dont you think such women crime increases in society and go unnoticed as there is no law for bad married women to get arrested.

I came to know about this after looking life in the west for several years. Western nations are male dominated but not India.

Infrastructure of India will further deteriorate because all significant thinkers loose balance of their mind to perfectly. 5% intellectuals responsible for 70% growth of the country, anyone thought about this. and this 5% disturbed for 5 to 20 yrs due to 498a or dv act!! what happens? present fate of country happened.

Because of blackmail, by-controll, implicit marital conflicts and years together fight inside courts JUST for finance distribution among couple. Bureacrats and intellectuals mind this way gets ruptured and can't contribute well or time for the infrastructure better for the country. Intellectuals continue to leave the country.

This is what you wanted DV or 498a in current form. if any innocent women is learnt about such laws, and one bad individual is enough to change their minds to control their husbands. That starts destruction of marriage and take a lot of time and resources of individuals.

Today india infrastrcutre is affected, I believe, strong reason is 498a. Many officials participate in corruption as they became imbalanced, selfish not thinking properly for the development of the country, just because their minds are affected for 5 to 15 yrs period in controlled, blackmailed marriage. you can't imagine what happens to brain or physiology of human when stressed for years together. That outcome is the present physic structure of men in India.

In future, just like in the west, women be it mother, sister will be fed by only brothers or fathers only. Concept of husband will die. If they get husbands, they get poor husbands, who are economically not well otherwise not. Just western life pervades all walks of life in India. Marriage will not happen (bcoz, boys parents learn boys not to, I learn my son to..i need his physical health and mental helath rather marriage life).

Many intellecutals(70% 498a cases) masters, phds, engineers, doctors are around courts for 5 yrs to 8 yrs to just become innocent after trials. Is this the way country using intellectual resources/proeprty for the country? is this what we wanted India to be?

There is chance for India only when dedicated, sacrifice women role is required. India doesn't afford feminism. It affords active role of BEST women for the development of the nation. Women who are in wonderful marriage and at the same time helping hands for the country flourish and not feminists.

I end up saying only one thing before western feminism takes its troll completely -

Good women ROLE is must for Indias growth and to preserve marriage value system and spiritual india. Pls. think calmly for a day or 2 and read western life and indian life difference, where it comes. I want my daughter to be part of this marriage system and not living outside marriage with multiple parterns in the name of liberation.

Once majority of Indian men are learnt not to provide/protect/feed his wife for no reciprocation/expectation from herside, that is westernization.

Do you think, a man who simply becomes a pet dog with economic/emotional violence usage by a urban controlling any women. I dont think so. Marriage will 100% break. BUT if the man is intelligent enough to become a beggar, what happens to the fate of that women in the current indian critcal/difficult economy, has any
one thought about it. She will be forced to enter into mal-profession for survival. Bad elements use her more and more. Is this feminism?

Such cases grow exponentially from year after year. Men stop marrying if not now, after 5 yrs. parents will no longer marry their boys. they learn them how to stay away and take care of themselves.

I disclaim all liabilities, these are my opinions & thoughts and experience for the help to other mankind preserving spiritual india.

#140
Sumanth
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October 30, 2006
10:17 PM

Only a fool will buy a house/apartment:

Its sure that the female will put the domestic violence law against the husband to throw him out of the house. Her brothers can find it easy to grab a house. The lawyers will fleece the guy.

Most logical, rational idiots foolishly assume that a husband's family is strong and a wife's family is weak (even when they see cases like that of Nitish's Katara's murder).

The battle is not between the husband and wife, but it is between two families. The woman's brothers and father can start calling shots and can use DV law to grab property of the man (who has to run away from house after the Protection Order from a Judge).

The unscrupulous bothers and father of the woman can simply bribe the "Protection Officer" to get the job done.

Only a fool will keep his edu certificates and passport at his house:

The law says husband can not keep anything is locker in house. So, the woman can very well burn his certificates and passport. Sex starved black coats will never punish such bitches.

So, the best way for men is to spend on all money.






#141
Sumanth
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October 30, 2006
10:30 PM

Swarup Sarkar was on CNN-IBN.

SIF can ensure 90% protection for a husband facing threat of DV Laws or 498a. Now that SIF is on National Scene, our membership will grow rapidly. Just in last one week 60 people have joined. The SIF yahoogroup has become the biggest Yahoogroup in the category of Divorce.

Swarup, Flavia Agnes on CNN-IBN with Sagarika Ghosh,Part I

Swarup, Flavia Agnes on CNN-IBN with Sagarika Ghosh-Part II

We have done enough research on Flavia Agnes and the Domestic Violence law, so Swarup (an Engineer) could take on a prominent advocate and feminist (for 30 years) powerfully.

The CCD cameras, Sting operations and telephone tapping will "clean bowl" many unscrupulous women who will become "overconfident" with DV law and also 498a.

There is no punishment for filing false case. But, if a woman calls a guy's mother a prostitute, her case in the family court will be finished (if the guy records it).

The real female victims will not get justice as the "Protection Officers" will be bought (by money) if the Male is really an Abuser and has powerful connections.

Finally, Men will stop marrying and there will be premarital sex everywhere and women will become unpaid prostitutes.

#142
Victor
October 31, 2006
03:17 AM

It is true that D.V. was brought into existence with the primary aim to muzzle the male back lash. Many news papers had reported it and many women in this column have also conveyed similar felings, though with a sense of achievement.
It is most surprising that so called feminists feel terribly rattled and worked up at the notion of the "male lashback".They react like spoilt children from whom a toy has been taken.Some how they have convinced themselves that men will not react or that they have no right to react.
Feminism is full of lopsided ideas and postures and is tremendously anti-male. If men are realising it and pointing it out, feminists are over reacting and bringing in atrocous laws like D.V. to "control" men and to muzzle him so that he does not react or is jailed if he reacts.
ARE WE LIVING IN THE MEDEAVAL ERA???

#143
AMRIT
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October 31, 2006
03:23 AM

I AM LOSING RESPECT FOR FEMINISTS AND WOMEN'S ORGANISATIONS. THEY ARE TURNING OUT TO BE TREMENDOUSLY ANTI-MALE. THEY WANT TO CONTROL MEN, DEMEAN THEM WHILE THEY THEMSELVES TALK ABOUT INDEPENDENCE, LIBERATION AND EMPOWERMENT OF WOMEN.FEMINISTS ARE APPEARING TO BE NOTHIG BUT FEMALE CHAUVINISTS .

#144
randhir singh
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October 31, 2006
03:27 AM

I do not know where this will all end. If the act is aimed at muzzling men , then it has only encouraged men to speak out against feminists and their anti-male tirade.

#145
Righta
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October 31, 2006
03:29 AM

Female Chauvinism is an accepted and understood concept(its in dictionaries too, to the delight of Temporal Sahib!), and it applies to many of our sisters and lady goons and their ilk, unleashed by valueless movements in the name of good old feminism!.

#146
Fundoo
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October 31, 2006
03:33 AM

I am not able o understand as to how could women's organisations come out with such a demonic act. How could they possibly think that after an act like this, a sane minded, economically independent man will willingly enter into a liason with a woman called "marriage".
I think women's organisations have taken men totally for granted and have some how convinced themselves that men will gladly go on "marrying" and let himself be brutalised, abused, terrorised by the woman he marries.

#147
Ajit
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October 31, 2006
04:31 AM

If you look at the history of feminism, it full of such lopsided theories. You have to understand the mental set up these women organisations. Feminism has given them an identity and the feeling of empowerment. So if feminism fails, their sense of identity also fails. They become identitiless.
Hence, they are desperate that feminism should not fail. They are desperate that feminism should not be challenged or it's concepts be questioned. As men are pointing out some such glaring defects of feminism, they are getting tremendously perturbed and their sense of identity is getting shaken.
HENCE, SUCH ACtS ARE INTRODUCED TO MUZZLE MEN SO THAT HE DARE NOT SPEAK OUT AGAINST FEMINISTS AND THEIR FEMALE CHAUVINISM.

#148
Y Bhavy
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October 31, 2006
05:22 AM

Dear Sakshi,

Tell me one thing that there are so many law to protect women from unscrouplous men.

What are the laws to protect men from unscrouplous women. If you know any, please enlighten our society.

Warm Regards,
Y Bhavy

#149
null
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October 31, 2006
06:48 AM

Good going guys - haven't laughed this much in a while. The stuff above reminded me why I married a non-Indian man! And why I will make sure my daughter doesn't marry one either. Seems that most men on this forum are either scared of losing their power over women or so weak that they can only exert their power over their wives as their means of proving their masculinity.

If its sooooo bad guys, don't marry, kill your daughters at birth, and push your sisters off the bridge in order to protect other men from the hideous fate of marriage. Oh and shoot your mums because they might have stood up for you against your father way back when you were kids. How could she dare to protect her son from her husband!

For the poster who said the following: "To be precise, instead of treating it as a criminal offence, it should be treated as a civil wrong."

If it were a civil offence, it would have to be mitigated on religious grounds. So it could be rejected by Muslim personal law boards as not being based in the Shariah. Or by Christians - as in case of the divorce laws, which Indian Catholics have no right to simply because the Catholic church doesn't permit it. Never mind that most Western Catholic countries allow divorce.

So it was a smart move to bring in the act as a criminal one. It cuts across all sections of society without pandering to the religious nuts.

Why is no one discussing the issues of violence by brothers or fathers? I assume that this violence - towards women in one's birth family = is considered such a major traditional and social right that most men above don't even feel the need to discuss it.

Just more fodder for the fire....

#150
Righta
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October 31, 2006
09:14 AM

Null, people discuss the context they are aware of, u know cases where fathers and brothers offend girls, do write that. Don't just provide fodder here and there, eat it and then if u may and then do something about it!(other than having a good nonsensical laugh oblivious to the plight of Indians, whom u have alienated from already).

#151
The Buddha Smiled
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October 31, 2006
10:47 AM

What the HELL?!

I missed this article completely - two days later I find that I'm in some sort of "Misogynists Anonymous" meeting....seriously people - you need to get a LIFE!

Anamika - sorry if the liberals have seemed to have deserted you on this forum. I really didn't see this going on. Though I'd have to say here - given the sorts of vicious comments emerging, having an argument is a bit like casting pearls before swine.

By the way people - if you're going to try to post a comment, do us the favour of actually trying to write it in coherent English? I'm getting kinda tired of trying to decipher messages that end up being unworthy of the time I spent on them.

#152
Righta
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October 31, 2006
12:11 PM

Budha, u could return to what u where busy doing till now, since here people are trying to communicate about a social menace(this is not an English speaking/writing class; if that's what its intended to be there should have been warnings to that effect, so u could contact the webmasters of this site and ask whether some thing of that sort can be arranged for, and then display your colourful feathers and dance before your liberal crowd in bliss, and do whatever u r adept in doing after that!)

These gender biased laws are violation of basic fundamental rights said have been bestowed by our constitution, these laws are bound to be social menaces, that even results in the peril of the same women who might be misguided to misuse this, along with innocent Indian families(if u really want to get the message).

We are not talking bad about the genuine use of this, but trying to shed light and the ample opportunities of misuse in these loosely framed Acts(have u ever read DV Act, my dear Smiling Budda?, read it here if u may:
http://www.geocities.com/gokul_p_r/PIFmumbaiNGO/DomesticViolenceAct2005.pdf
to see what it used to look like at the Bill stage:
http://mynation.net/dvbill.htm). They are loosely framed, if u wanna debate pointedly on that, come ahead, don't throw statements in hot air and go back hiding in the anonymity of the NET, u game enough, u proclaim the debate..... u man enough, u come affront, Then I will respect you and debate with you, else u can go back to hiding behind the internet's "Pallu". My signature is found below, u r welcome to any place to debate, ur place or mine...

Liberal's are those who have liberty to do something else other than defending for themselves for dear life in the first place. Those who are disadvantaged/cornered/trapped by vexatious legal proceedings against them won't be liberal to the standards you yearn them to be of.

Get on with ur life, if u have no social responsibility to understand what serious discussions are going on in ur favourite gossip channel!... dear Budda.

Chullu bar paani mein doobh jaa, i get reminded of that song some how, budda... do know that?

#153
Righta
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October 31, 2006
12:23 PM

From our correspondent

18 July 2006

KOLKATA - So many men are crowding a special West Bengal police cell set up to handle cases of violence against women that a senior police officer has mooted a new cell to help men battered by their wives.

The surge of men at the women's grievance cell of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) in Bhavani Bhawan here is an absolutely new trend, according to media reports. "More and more men are lodging complaints of torture against their wives. We have received a large number of such complaints over the past few months. Since ours is a women's grievance cell, we cannot do anything about the cases" Deputy Superintendent of Police, Neelu Sherpa, who heads the cell, told an English daily.

But the cell is counselling women against whom charges of mental or physical torture have been levelled by their bruised and battered husbands.

In the last nine months, nearly 200 husbands have lodged complaints of assault, mental and physical torture against their wives, according to official statistics.

"We called several women against whom complaints had been lodged to the centre. Most of them are educated and wanted to instil fear in the men. We told the women that they are violating the law. The counsellors tried to mend the marriages", said a CID officer.

Sherpa says that 60 to 70 per cent of the torture complaints by wives against husbands turn out to be baseless. "In most cases, women lodge complaints only to harass their husbands."

Often, both parties are at fault. "We call them to our centre and try to sort out their differences. In some cases, women lodge complaints of domestic violence under Section 498A, which is a non-bailable offence", she added.

P. Ravi, Deputy Inspector-General of Police, added: "Wives are increasingly misusing the law to teach their husbands a lesson. This is very unfair."

With the number of battered husbands on the rise, Ravi has mooted the idea of a separate cell for men...

Budda, this is for you, my signature:


Warm Regards

P.R.Gokul
http://gokul.go.to , http://cruiserdeep.blogspot.com
http://at498a.blogspot.com

#154
Santosh Kapadia
October 31, 2006
01:50 PM

Buddha Smiled

Hey welcome to the muddle of theirs(but dont stay too long) . As I said they suffer from what seems to be a major psychosomatic disorders , misogynosis , have blind hatred towards women and have dillusions of being victims, holler on each and every thread whenever the word women and her rights are mentioned.

Sometimes (in this thread itself) one of their clones has said .."it is a good thing that DV came along...welcome" and then you have the others who still go on and on and on and on.

They call it discussion ...well discussion is between 2 sets of group or more. Here if we say something sagacious, then we are orderd to back to our daily work by Mr Righta who seems to control the thread with his nonsensical cut copy paste tripe and hits out openly. Be it Buddha, Deepti, Salshi, Neha or Anamika--all of us have been asked to either agree with him or get lost.

It is this very blatant snooty , stuck-up attitude who wants to not only control women but other human beings on the thread that has resulted them to face consequences by their women. I don't see them on these threads spewing venom like the men above . I am sure wherever these women are , they must be happy and content.

Immaturity and juvenile behavior to the core and reflects on each and every word of theirs. Seething in poor loss of the fact that they have lost control of women. It is not surprise why their own women have deserted them .

#155
Righta
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October 31, 2006
03:38 PM

Hi Santhosh, Salutations to ur intellect, anyway do point out where I have asked anyone to get out!. If u want to write something after ur morning cuppa, u could use that ass-wipe, perhaps that piece of paper won't mind ur travesty, perhaps!.

Discussions may continue ;)(since I seem to be in control, wow, Aman, when was that!)

#156
BlackBox_Truth
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October 31, 2006
03:52 PM

Buddha & Santhosh kapadia:

There is not even a single cent doubt in my mind that you are unmarried. Read my postings and Rajans postings #102, I guess.

I know various upbringing kids from lower middle class where everything in their family is normal. These kids became highly educated and going into marriage-world of middle class (or higher middle class) from that lower middle class status.

To any unmarried middle/higher middle class youngster:

Beware! pls. know before your health gets affected and it leads to another bald or pale, dull, oily head/face uncle in society in 30s. Learn IPC 498a, emotional/economic violence from dvact and their misuse of 98% in Indian society in last 10 yrs. Learn the truth of 1 out of 3 families uncle is in legal/depression fear with hen-pecking in urban cities in india. I challenge if this stats is wrong with anyone.

I challenge with any person in India. Any unmarried indian urban boy JUST the day before marriage 100% MUST KNOW about what is ANTICIPATORY BAIL and BAIL and SESSION, DISTRICT COURT and 498a (and now dv act). If he doesn't he is welcoming DEATH or DEPRESSION TRAP to himself and or his parents.

These are truths. Learn statistics. Very significant point is already bald headed suffering uncles NEVER talk TRUTHS about their suffering outside. you meet them and they look normal.

These are my opinions and research and disclaim all liabities of any consequences and nothing to do with others.

#157
A.K Rathor
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October 31, 2006
03:57 PM

This discussion is the example how men are raised in India. Even for there rights they are fighting hard like nice guys where the gals are are not only pinching but making a joke of them. How miserable. What lesson do you learn from here? Stop vomiting and start filing counter cases on the girl and who ever else is involved since most of the cases are False. Say no to blackmail. Fight for justice. I assure you, within 3 years all this euphoria will vanish.
Time has come for the boys to become practical and not emotional.


#158
Santosh Kapadia
October 31, 2006
04:03 PM

Don't just provide fodder here and there, eat it and then if u may and then do something about it!(

Budha, u could return to what u where busy doing till now, since here people are trying to communicate about a social menace

Get on with ur life, if u have no social responsibility to understand what serious discussions are going on in ur favourite gossip channel!...

to quote a few.......

Now what ? Will I be also called a Duryodana, Kans, Ravan and feminist and supranka's son by you and your delirious souls?

I rather be called this coz I am very happy with my wife and children. I am not alone and will not die alone. I pity the men who have abandoned their wife/children over ego fights and misused power coz they sure do not know what bliss and paradise they are missing out on in their child's growing years & family life. The saga will be a terrible lonely old age.

Carry on with your one sided tirade , by your self and amongst yourselves.

Spare us folks; you put the rest of us men to utter ignominy & disrepute. I need to keep both my sons away from you guys.

#159
Righta
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October 31, 2006
04:18 PM

Please note the words in between the Quotes

Don't just provide fodder here and there, eat it and then """if u may""" and then do something about it!(

Budha, u """"could""" return to what u where busy doing till now, since here people are trying to communicate about a social menace

Get on with ur life, """"if u""" have no social responsibility to understand what serious discussions are going on in ur favourite gossip channel!...

Did u notice that they are conditional statements!(and not marching orders!), oh but how can i expect u to have noticed all that, right?. Anyway as an academic exercise lemme try and educate what """if u may""" , """"could""" return & """"if u""" have no social responsibility ..... means(also see the respective statements in their entirety, above.)

Are u paid to be stupid, or what!. Ur sons will have a tough time overcoming the genetic lack of intellect, if not anything else, what to do, curse of "fixation" or is it plain "dim-wittedness"!

Please not to expose ur ignorance anymore, else ur sons will have no where to run when u visit their schools!

#160
Righta
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October 31, 2006
04:27 PM

Aha..... but why do uninterested people come here and try to dissuade us, when we were discussing to the point in question. Bad manners.... ha?..... papa bear and posse, bad manners ;).

Cool it people, lets discuss and not spill each others beans or the lack of it LOL.

By the way many of oppressed people like me are denied a life with their kids, but its not because of petty ego fights, its because of the propensity of the girls(or their advisors) to misuse laws. Laws which pose no "fear of punishment" even if misuse is evident!... So thats why Papa Bear, we are fighting like this and we will fight till last, since we don't want this to happen to any other innocent person, including ur kids and mine too

#161
Santosh Kapadia
October 31, 2006
04:35 PM

OK...carry on loner. (so you started you english classes too huh)

Agree my sons will lack intelligence but they have a present father and love me unconditionally and we are a family unit.

Atleast they will have both parents mark the attendance in school.

My daughter and sons have both parents around in school.

Because that is what family is all about.

#162
null
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October 31, 2006
06:06 PM

Buddha smiled, now you are stuck. After you have been accused of being unmarried, un-Indian etc, you are just told to get out of the business because you are not "Indian enough" - meaning you are not patriarchal enoug. Meanwhile, half the domestic violence (NCW figures: I dont quote or cut and paste random unreferenced articles) in India comes from the natal family - fathers and brothers are the biggest culprits but various other family members also help along. Much has been made of "honor killngs" by the Turkish immigrants in Germany or indeed in various Islamic countries, but NONE of the posters here have bothered acknowledging that it exists here in India - and NOT just amongst the Islamic populations. Western India is the major area for domestic violence against women although it also occurs in other parts of the country. And ALL of it is about male honour!
You want to know that DV exists against family members? Just pick up ANY newspaper: Panchayats killing young women because they dared to marry someone that fathers and brothers did not accept is an EVERY DAY story. So far they don't turn up as crimes against women because there hasn't been a specific law for it. In fact, just look at panchayat decisions all in Haryana and Punjab alone (not even counting the cow belt) for massive crimes against women. This is the country that when a woman gets raped, the "generous" public decision is to force her to marry her rapist.
While on the topic: Did you guys back the killing of Priyadarshini Mattoo too? Wasn't that her fault as well? And BOY did Santosh Singh get a bad rap from the courts! I am surprised that you all haven't organised a sympathy morcha for him. But of course, I forgot - he tried raping and killing WITHOUT marrying the woman. Oh, sorry, terrible mistake there! If he had married her, he could rape her, beat her, torture her and kill her AND have widespread support from MCPs that abound on this forum. In fact, I am sure the blogger who wrote in his defence would get the blogger of the day status for a whole month!

#163
null
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October 31, 2006
06:59 PM

i know santhosh and buddha. infact, they r unmarried.

#164
Samar
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October 31, 2006
07:41 PM

Am glad for your sons Santosh, they are actually getting the education they need and deserve to respect and trust women. They are also privileged to learn to love, respect and admire women in a way that the protestors on this forum can't! Congratulations. And best of luck!
I remember my grandmother - a good old fashioned Bihari - who raised eight children to be successful model citizens. However loving she was, she would have shot her sons or grandsons for perpetuating violence against women. We all knew that she thought that men who didn't respect women were lowest of the low. And so we all learned to live otherwise. And this from a woman born in 1923. She would have been thrilled with DV - just what she had tried to teach everyone through out her life but had no legal basis for.
Just so everyone knows - most of these misogynist morons posting above don't represent the bulk of Indian men!

#165
Santosh Kapadia
October 31, 2006
07:48 PM

Thanks Samar
That was a good one and so well said. They definately DO NOT represent mankind or rather even the humanrace . I think they are a shame to mankind as a whole.

Null---I dont know who you are and I dont want to know either lest my 'stupidity' infects you.

By the way--the fact you cannot digest the fact that happily married men exist and do exist. We have made our married lives successful. And are darn proud of it.

#166
Sreedharan
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October 31, 2006
08:14 PM

Santhosh - you are happy morally that is more than enough.

BUT you should digest that BAD women are there in urban cities as ill as BAD men. These ppl are fighting for that, because to arrest such women..there are no laws in India.

Women are going to clubs, dances, free birds like men now; According to these men, city women only files 86% of 498a cases every year. You are really a lucky person, if you are married and happy. It is inevitable to find such a good women who do not misuse in Urban India now.

#167
Sreedharan
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October 31, 2006
08:17 PM

Sorry, I meant other way round. inevitable to find BAD women in urban india.

#168
Santosh Kapadia
October 31, 2006
08:20 PM

I am a Lucky man huh. I do not think so. I have worked hard and imbibed some of the finest values from my parents.

#169
A.K Rathor
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October 31, 2006
08:26 PM

My dear Pyare Mohans, be proud since the fire has not still reached your house. That's why you are feeling safe. But the fact is, its spreading fast and the number of victims is growing. If you are apathetic to the victims so be it. But you can not ignore the fact that families with even slight dispute are vulnerable now.

#170
A.K Rathor
URL
October 31, 2006
08:30 PM

Santosh,Think about a family where the boy also worked hard and imbibed some of the finest values from his parents like you. But got cheated in marriage and his whole family gets ditroyed by a BAD women and her family.

#171
Santosh Kapadia
October 31, 2006
08:41 PM

Rathor.

If you are apathetic to the victims so be it. But you can not ignore the fact that families with even slight dispute are vulnerable now to domestic violence too.

Women get beaten up everyday in India and abused and called names by you jerks on this site so openly on the internet.

If you did the same name calling and abusing to your wife, then obvioulsy she would take action. What do you expect her to do?

#172
A.K Rathor
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October 31, 2006
08:49 PM

'Women get beaten up everyday' - After so many strict laws. Then is making a new law solution to it?
2nd - You are of the mindset which thinks all women are good and only men are criminals.
My friend, come out of 16th century minset. 21st Century girl's also kill their husbans with the help of their lovers and get caught only atfer her own child confesses to Police. I hope you do not skip these stories while reading news.

#173
A.K Rathor
URL
October 31, 2006
09:15 PM

We have got a society nurtured with Pro women news for decades. That's why; society tries to justify every wrong doing of women while Men are at the receiving end even before justification. It's like the verdict is out before trial. Then why do we need Judiciary when all of us are Judges?

#174
Nandu
URL
November 1, 2006
12:21 AM

Well! well! well! This is getting out of hand. This is turning into a messy street brawl between the sexes.
Well! men are bad and they deserve tough treatment. But women are also not sati-savitris any longer, and they can not demand to be spared either!
As far as name calling is concerned, Some men here have called women 'PROSTITUTES" etc, which is highly objectionable. We all have our rights, I mean men and women. Each has it's point of view, and lets respect it.
If men feel that D.V. will be abused by women and that these Acts are used by women to harass their husbands, then they are entitled to state that.But let us maintain the decorum.

#175
Anadi
URL
November 1, 2006
12:35 AM

Righta $153 says that
"P. Ravi, Deputy Inspector-General of Police, added: "Wives are increasingly misusing the law to teach their husbands a lesson. This is very unfair."
Now even police are stating that laws are being misused by women. With the introduction of D.V., even this Deputy Inspector-General of Police can be arrested at the hint of the slightest marital dispute or quarrel.
Just look at the wide ambit of D.V. It's misuse can affect men of all stratas.It can equally affect men ranging from the President to the peon,the industrialist to the industrial worker,the law maker to the law breaker and billionaire to the bell boy.
And if this legal terrorism continues, it will unite them all. D.V. is a boon in disguise for the male back lash.

#176
RTPS Tulsi, Advocate
URL
November 1, 2006
12:38 AM

The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act, 2005 will do a youmen service for the uplift of the women folk only in case the central and state governments take immidiate steps for implimentation/enforcement tools of the Act.

In order to ensure the dissimination of rights granted under the Act to women especially those living in villages, it will be essential to publish the provisions of the Act as well as pamphlets in all the regional languages of India. This will be in keeping with the duties of the central and state governments in terms of section 11 of the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act, 2005.




#177
Randhir Singh
URL
November 1, 2006
01:24 AM

RTPS Tulsi, is right. The sooner and wider publicity the Act is given, the sooner and wider it's abuse will start, and the severer will be the reaction against it. It will save men a lot of botheration to publicise the evil effect of the ACT.
Hence, as advised by Tulsi, women's group should immediately start an all out effort to convince the Govt to publicise the Act.Then the shit will hit the fan!!

#178
null and void
URL
November 1, 2006
01:28 AM

This Act envisages that only women are victims. Change the word 'HUSBAND" to "partner" in the act and you will see feminists and women's organisations running for cover.

#179
Ajit
URL
November 1, 2006
01:37 AM

From the reaction that I have gathered from some of the women's organisations which had helped in drafting this one sided and extreme Act,one of the main aims was to "teach men a lesson" for having the "audacity" to usher in "male backlash".
Feminists are seething in rage at the very concept of now men coming out and criticising some of the feminists preachings and they wanted desperately to do some thing about it.
But sadly for them, male backlash is here to stay. It is a reality emanating from certain distorted versions of feminism. It is time women's organisations started accepting it.

#180
Righta
URL
November 1, 2006
01:55 AM

I know this tactic of not hearing/reading what's actually said/written and being persistent on repeating what you want to impress upon, in the fond hope of drilling those "ideas" into minds of whoever would listen and the unwary/uninitiated(my in-laws used do the same, so I realise this ploy right when u start typing ur tirade out).

Santosh Kapadia, Aapka kapda uthaarna pada, uskeliye keliye sorry. I had to say what I said/wrote, to try and make u realise (and mindless others, who were not really realizing what's being said, or did not want to realize/acknowledge for whatever reason) that u r just getting fanatic/fixated with ur mindless opposition towards some imaginary enemy.

This enemy, for your info, I/we are not, we are fighting for our rights to live free and to get Justice,********** we are not at all trying to take away any rights that women rightly should be bestowed with*********

Pls try and understand this first before u probably start hitting back with out-of-context, null and void "cover fire"!, have you though about who u r trying to cover(or end up covering), the quasi-feminists, Feminazies, the money-mongering goons in the garb of women's rights/empowerment?!!, is that what u intend?).

As for me, I am just a man(among multitudes of similar Indian men) who is dragged into this an ordeal of defending my family and myself, from being falsely persecuted. This persecution has been relentlessly happening for about 4 years, directed against us, by the same lady to whom I had given my heart and soul, and to whom I had reiterated that I belong to her even after coming out of remand of 3 days, after getting a bail(in the false Mental and Harassment case against us), this info is just to give some clarity on the context- try not to get into unnecessary arguments on my situation, I do not intend to give any proof, to make u all believe but u may believe if u may(I don't hope to get justice in a public trial, so there's no point in doing so, if u know what I mean).

The end result of all these rubbish was just that the me and my ex-wife are still entangled in a series of cases and counter cases against each other(for about 4 years, sounds fun right?, yeah right....... it's a national waste when u consider lakhs of such cases which would have been diffused/resolved, if only someone had tried to solve the issues(whatever they might have truly been) in a mature and responsible way, but alas some insinuating blood hounds with money in their mind are instigating these fights(so that they can be the fox who will drink the blood of the two warring goats who charge and bang their head against each other until both die a gory death!).

Above all my Kid is growing up without a full family, thinking that her father is so loveless that he doesn't even come to see her, what my child does not know(yet) is that my soul is smouldering in her thoughts, thousands of miles away from her and not to see her the best option for me(else the kids mind will be poisoned against me, and we all will have another lady whose mind is skewed with respect to gender and relationship, the same thing which I wanted to avoid and which lead the break-up, read my site for more details regarding this, if u want: http://gokul.go.to ).

We appreciate that many of you are living with full families and are doing so very successfully. We are happy for all of you and would do everything to sustain this love and tranquility in our society(and that's exactly what our higher objective is, to Save and Protect Indian Family from disruption, from moral/value decay, from legal vultures who make a living out of instigating life-partners against each other).

But does all this mean that I don't deserve a productive life with honour and dignity along with my only girl child?, just because my in laws(now 'ex') decided to leverage the one sided laws of India to send the entire government machinery against three people in, what's left of, my family?.

Brothers and Sisters we can do what we intend to do with out much of your help, but we would do better if you don't mindlessly oppose(or even banter against) us. If u do not like or do find errors/faults in what we say, please do definitely point out or critisise, but do it with rhyme and reason, don't do it like some brain-washed, mindless , morons (that u sometimes end up portraying yourselves as).

But before u all 'probably' go doing autopsy of my personal history(which is also documented at my webpage, if u all feel the need to cross check. If I had been out of this case-chakravyuh I would have given even my ex-wife's email for u all to cross check, but for that I need to wait for some more time(like eons, since its Indian legal system in which I am entangled, thanks to its inherent throughput rate!)

************Where did we all say that genuine recourse to DV Act(or for that matter IPC 498a and other laws instituted to protect women) is undesired/wrong!!!.**************

Lets discuss this and get clarity, and then move on to other arguments, which people may have.

It seems I am in control of the discussions/comments on this article, so be it. People take good note, no one moves a muscle ;) without addressing the above question!.



Live and let live, Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu... Avigna Masthu

#181
BlackBox_Truth
URL
November 1, 2006
01:57 AM

Future of DV on India:

Unlike 498a (STATS for 498a)there would be some color changes due to this act. Here they are:

Majority of cases filed under this act would be related to economic - mental -emotional harrassment.

Already throughout India 9 cases registered so far, physical violence is 4, remaining all above stated. In the long run Physical hrssment would be far lesser and above harrassments would be 80% of cases.

Rich ppl hardly comes into this act. If rich women wanna catch, it catches BIG fish 498a only.

Most domestic problems arise due to MONEY. Economic abuse doesn't arise with them. No RICH or modern sub-rich lady goes for Rs20K or 1 yr jail one to get booty from her hubby.

Only sufferers are middle class husbands. It is difficult to survive in this difficult economy. Wife can't undrstand ...they are towards fast temporary western solution to recieve money for household chores or movies..They go for DV.

Also these women as modernized in cities..look to have property on their side to be on th safe side. So they create problem in family and make sure to file DV and take a portion of the home(as it happened yesterday in fresh DV from Andhra). They think once property is on thier side after the disputer by DV at court; they could resume marriage again.

50% DV cases in urban cities would go by property attack(indirectly brainwashing lady by her father or brothers).

On the other hand winter session parliament will be passing elder abuse preventtion act costing 3mnths jail to HUSBAND and or Rs5000.

Now FUN comes into picture in INDIA. Men in India no longer look like human beings. Their faces look like sheeps; limbs like buffalo legs: I can't explain further. I just pity them. God save these innocent F***. They can't even fight or protest on raods for their minimum human being rights. LINK GIFTED

If one asks young children in urban indian cities. 80% children states "my father is nice, but mummy is angry (i.e., arrogant)". Still these men can't learn.

IndraJaisingh successfully able to help her colleagues (advocates)before she retires by having hands in bringing this DV act.

no of Men orgs in India NULL; Women orgs in India 524; salary generation; survival; funds..they needed women crimes to show; they succeeded in their game for last 20 yrs. It is a fact that women are suffering; BUT it is absolutely a fact that SO many women media and women orgs shown in stats is NOT (STATS HERE).

when it comes to URBAN india. 100% fact is MEN are actually harrassed more than women. How many know this. Mental strength is stronger than physical. Men are harrassed mentally; their reaction is physical.

Indirectly NATURE LEARNS BY ITS OWN COURSE. Men learn by their pressure and stress itself;

Most men are as sex starved, as usual run blindly for marriages; have continous sex for an year; come to know stress and pressure due to DV and DP & 498a; comes out of marriages in 1st year by paying lumpsump; believe me most urban men family learn them to pay and get rid of her; women divorcees are all over the streets; just western life in sarees all over;(LINK. If children involved..worst situation; God help urban India.

There is no doubt that poor man would be safer and physically largely stronger than city men.
poor women actually feeds 35% salary for her family. Urban women feeds 0% but tries to get much more than a salray from her husband (TV,wshMchne etc.,).


In otherwords, who ever do not save money; do not buy any property or inherit property from his parents; who is a spend thrift WILL LIKELY TO HAVE LESS problems with urban women.


NRIs straight away reject wives within 6 mnths of marriages due to knowledge of DV or DP or 498a within a ripple effect by the grace of bride or her family.

In other words - what goes around, comes back will certainly happen to the feminists, I believe. Nature learning men to take care by itself in India.

All these my perceptions and research only and nothing to do with others and disclaim all liabilities from deciphering outcomes.

#182
Voidless
URL
November 1, 2006
02:28 AM

BlackBox please could you repeat what you said

#183
Righta
URL
November 1, 2006
06:54 AM

Voidless, Khujli karega beta?, math mere laal ;)

#184
BlakBox_Truth
URL
November 1, 2006
09:37 AM

how can a Void understand? regardless of suffix "less"

#185
Righta
URL
November 1, 2006
09:41 AM

To:

CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA
[EDITED - PERSONAL INFO[


Copied to:

The Editor Telegraph India: The Telegraph
6 Prafulla Sarkar Street, Calcutta 700001
Email: [EDITED]



In response to Article: telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp

Sex & The City : What are men scared of?
CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA WONDERS ABOUT THE POSSIBLE REASONS THAT LED MEN TO LAUNCH A PROTEST PLATFORM IN THE WAKE OF THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ACT



(I request all members of SIF who receives this email, to register their response at the above feedback channels, so that "The Telegraph" knows what you all think about the article, which is quoted at the bottom of this mail for your ready reference. And also do alert the relevant authorities about this article, for their necessary action)



Hi Chandrika,



To put it all in a nut-shell: We are not protesting now that women have better legal protection against Violence and Oppression... PERIOD



These gender biased laws(like IPC 498a(see
http://www.saveindianfamily.org for info, if u r ever interested) and are violation of basic fundamental rights said have been bestowed on us by our constitution, these laws are bound to be social menaces, that even results in the peril of the same women who might be misguided to misuse this, along with innocent Indian families(if u really want to get the message).


On any point mentioned above if u happen to have reservations or need more info to be convinced yourselves, just ask me (at drmura (at) hotmail (dot) com or gokul (at) mynation (dot) net ) and I would be happy to provide u with "Objective" data and statistics published by Government and other authentic sources. We are here to prove our point, and achieve our goals of building a greater Nation by getting its basic unit the "Indian Family" harmonious and productive on the fundamental foundations of love and respect.

We are not talking bad about the genuine use of this, but trying to shed light and the ample opportunities of misuse in these loosely framed Acts.


The DV ACT is loosely framed and waiting to be misused, if u want to debate pointedly on that, come ahead. Ahhh then you would argue that what happens to the genuine victim-women: Their interests should be of course protected, but not at the cost of making innocent young productive men(And their families, which includes their mothers, sisters and other women of the family) of this country of ours vulnerable of being victimised by misuse of these laws.



Where is the maxim of law, with respect to these draconic and lopsided laws?: "Even if 100 culprits escape the law, not a single innocent should be convicted"( Please note that here more than a verdict of "Conviction", the real punishment which all accused but innocent men and families have to undergo, is the fact that they have to go through the rigmarole of India Judicial system and Police processes, which in itself is a big shock which kills many an Indian citizen, as it definitely had in the past too



Read my blog entry on Supreme terming misuse of these gender biased laws as "Legal Terrorism": http://at498a.blogspot.com/2006/07/please-report-on-misuse-of-ipc-section.html ..





************ epilogue: Courtesy Comment section of Article: The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 - Big Brother has Arrived

***********

Laws are made with Good intentions, but the implementation of the laws, as seen in India, is almost always suspect. Just wait and see how much this DV ACT is going to be misused.

With great freedom comes great responsibility.... if our law makers just make laws without fool-proofing it with regards to chance of misuse, what good is a skewed law anyway.

One would slowly realise that the whole family which includes women being victimised by misuse of DV Act, just as its happening with 498a.

Implementation....... is the key(just like almost every known/recognised concept in management is great, its execution is the key!).

Who creates these Acts and Bills, which won't address even Genuine violence(see the punishment under DV is just 20,000 rupees or 'some'(1 year) Jail, neither does it fool-proof the misuse of this Act. Why are these half-baked laws made in the first place, who are those jokers who are imposing these shoddy shit on us!?. Why isn't it that these important and critical laws not even ratified with realities of life, before they are enforced!.

The theory that men are from mars and women from venus, is starting to look very true, its almost like born enemies that they are treating each other these days(even when they are united in a marriage). Is it the materialistic culture which has brought about this intolerance, disrespect, aggression, one-up(wo)manship, competition between genders?.

Both genders evolved the way they did only to compliment each other and be total when in unison. Ardhanareeswara concept is very relevant here, which basically says that every person ideally would have qualities of both genders(courage and compassion, aggression and patience, strength and subtleness and such other dipolar qualities), so if we ourselves are built of two distinct but seamlessly blended parts, here which part are we loathing and why at all?

But in this age each person is trying to show his so-called "self-reliance"(me myself and my solitude/ego), well the cycle of life won't allow that un-natural trend, the sooner people learn to respect and love, to care and share, the better we all will get. Else courts will be full of warring couples (with no avail), who won't even know why they started the fight in the first place!.

Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu
Avigna masthu

Also see the discussion about DV Act, in the comment section(this feedback will also be posted in here) of Article: The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 - Big Brother has Arrived(I had given the URL, Aman , D & T , Happy?, I know u all are, enjoy.....)


We, at SIF, urge "The Telegraph" to adopt responsible journalism and diligent curbing of irresposible journalism, in the interest of our Nations overall interest. Else we, at Save Indian Family" will react in an appropriate manner to curb this tendency of un-reasearched and unbalanced reporting, which is apparently being promoted for pandering to sensationalism and baser needs of some vested interests. And as a result articles in reputed publications and national dialies are turning out to be outright one-sided and scandalous, as Ms.CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA has managed to do, in your publication, in full world public purview.





Warm Regards

P.R.Gokul

B.E(E.C.E), M.B.A, C.P.I.M

Director, Protect Indian Family, Mumbai (NGO working for Marital & Familial Harmony)


*************** The Article in question as published in "The Telegraph"*************


What are men scared of?
CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA WONDERS ABOUT THE POSSIBLE REASONS THAT
LED MEN TO LAUNCH A PROTEST PLATFORM IN THE WAKE OF THE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE ACT

The first arrest has been made under the domestic violence act. But
last week, with the act barely out of Parliament, a group of men
went slightly wild. To protect the hallowed institution from the
threat of "legalised terrorism" by women, they launched a protest
group called Save the Indian Family. When anyone who has been in
touch with contemporary Indian culture knows that nothing can save
the Indian family since Rakhi Sawant burst onto the scene and I will
not dwell on the word "burst" in this context.
[EDITED]

#186
Righta
URL
November 1, 2006
09:55 AM

Yeah I am guilty of "The Copy Paste Tripe", so what do u guys wanna do now? ;). Chal Hath

Aman, Smiling?. I have invited hordes of media personnel in here, watch ur "eyeball" counters. Happy kya?

#187
Righta
URL
November 1, 2006
10:45 AM

DV Bill: Threat to family or Boon for Domestic harmony

Since the introduction of the bill, men have been protesting against the bill and women are wondering "What are men scared of?" Yes the reasoning behind the protest and wonder is missing, but yes the drafters of the bill are all well aware of the reasons but are silent to see their ulterior motives being realized through this act.

First and foremost, the objective of the bill is misguided in the title and preamble. A man of reason will reasonably believe that DV bill, will aim at curbing the domestic violence. The ulterior objective of the bill is hidden behind the nice words of protecting women from domestic violence and actually has nothing to do with curbing domestic violence and promoting domestic harmony within family sphere.

The domestic violence can be committed by anybody and everybody with the family and offenders do not have gender. On the contrary, the bill limits the victims only to women and perpetrators only to men. A general experience, with 498a is that there are many threats given to husband and his relatives to meet the demands of wife and her relatives before actually filing the complaint. The DV Bill legalizes this procedure and gives more teeth to such women. After the protection order is passed, an imagination of what will happen is sufficient to see the extreme domestic violence imposed on man by this law. Usually, whatever be the point of difference, a woman will be encouraged by her clout/feminists or even lawyers and protection officers to provoke the man to engage in acts akin to domestic violence. It can be easily noted that mere one or two acts of provoked domestic violence does not have sever impact on the woman, but the gains out of such provocation are huge for the woman, under domestic violence act. The definition of domestic violence is also such that mere consented acts of woman may also be accounted as domestic violence. Thus it is extremely easy for any woman to obtain protection order, whether in reality the act of male has caused damage to the extent of grievance of woman or not. However as soon as the protection order is obtained, the woman becomes all powerful in the domestic sphere. The implications of the violation of protection order on man and his family are extremely sever.

It is not actually necessary for any act of domestic violence to have happened actually to cause the damage to the man's life under the provisions of this act, a mere allegation is enough. Violation of protection order is a non-bailable offence. If the woman goes into police station and only reports that the domestic violence has again been committed in any imaginary form, the man will be immediately arrested and sent to jail without enquiry. Arrest for one day is enough punishment for anybody. The humiliation and wrath and depression is only added damage not to forget the provision under law that a day's arrest will by default result in loss of employment. Besides the stigma in society after the arrest is made is nearly unbearable for any man. The fear of loss of shelter and property is also tremendous. A man whose female relative has obtained protection order against him, will fear her to death. There is nothing with him which he cannot lose. The punishment of living under protection order shall be worse than living in jail for one year.

Such position makes the woman, extra-ordinarily powerful at home. The man shall be under absolute control of the woman and vulnerable to the domestic violence, which may extend to any form of abuse such as verbal, emotional and even physical. The man obviously by definition of this law cannot obtain any protection against the violent woman.

It is a misnomer promoted by feminists that woman is alone, weak and cannot handle herself. Women are socially powerful elements and have often taken help from natal home, to establish and assert their power in matrimonial home. Such trend will take a boost, due to this law.

The provisions of this act also do not leave much scope for enough opportunity for hearing from man during trial and do not leave any scope for material evidence. The offence is convictable, by the word of devil herself. The monetary benefits and benefit of power within home is such that the irrational behavior is simply irresistible for most women.

The opportunities for NGOs and corrupt officers are also aplenty and are further protected by law. NGOs have been given free hand to mishandle the man and his opinions in the family matter. Police officers have been given mandatory functions to intimidate him. The lure of money and power over the household will be simply irresistible for such unaccountable aides to woman.

A man will lose all his opinions in the household and will have to silently see his household destroyed by the unscrupulous women and people around. He may never be able to protect his children against any such abuse.

The ridiculous provisions of keeping the women outside the ambit of domestic violence act, will actually promote domestic violence by women in the family sphere and men shall lose all the reasonable opinions in the house and their lives will also be jeopardized socially economically and physicially.

The above explanation is sufficient to foresee the domestic violence promoted by enactment of Domestic Violence Act.

The objective of the act should have been to prevent domestic violence within domestic sphere and allow for reasonable opportunities for all parties at home and government should have looked for the earliest opportunity to withdraw the intervention inside the home after ensuring that reasonable circumstances exist for restoration of domestic harmony at home. The domestic violence act is going create a mess in our backyard, and no one shall forgive feminists and irrational questions such as "What are men scared of?"

#188
Hardy
November 1, 2006
11:21 AM

I think there is a need to define a creamy layer among women just like Supreme court did for SC/ST and OBC categories in its verdict on reservation.
Categorisation is the need of hour. If not looked into ASAP it will lead to civil unrest.

Some time back i wrote an article on this on DC.
May be there is definitely a way to arrive at the much needed categorisation.

#189
Righta
URL
November 1, 2006
11:57 AM

Ms. Bhattacharya, (In response to Article: telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp )

I was not really annoyed after I read your article but can't help feeling that the content of the same were brewed out of strong a gender bias and possible journalistic populism. You might have heard of Domestic Violence, you must have shivered at stories of brides been burned to succumb, beaten up for dowry and coerced to face all possible attrocities imaginable. You heard stories that are told. But people like me do have different stories to tell. Stories which do not boost newsprint sell, do not create resentment, not even raise eyebrows! But nevertheless stories that are reality. Stories that you seldom will care to listen or pay any heed to. I would not care either to waste either of our time on laments that I have passed. Only I must tell you, laws that give women unquestioned legal supremacy over (all) men, are often the cause of their own peril. Please find out how many women's life and dignity these laws (Article 498A and Dowry/ DV laws) have saved and how many families they have ruined. I am certian the outnumbering statistics would actually more than surprise you. In my own case, my "beloved" wife comfortably chose the way of retribution (to what she only knows) to petty adjustments and in her mad rage tried to put me and my parents behind bars, even if for a day. God wanted otherwise and she failed. Now that I am divorced and shiver at the very thought of marital alliance (or even women around me), who do I blame? I guess my wife for sure, but no less the laws! I became paranoid towards all thoughts concerning women and hopelessly averse to any gender-relationships. I earned all the bad repute that I never deserved, my education in the best of colleges in your city went under the guillotine so smoothly and my whole psyche marred with a never before experienced trauma. But what happens to my wife? After all the money she could launder from the divorce and all the sadistic pleasures she enjoyed from her heinous acts, she is surely in a worse catastrophe than me. She is nowhere. She is now exposed and her life shredded under the acts of violence that she intended to bestow on me. The CIRCLE IS COMPLETE. Without the Draconian Laws, our marriage would have survived, our relationship would have survived, I would have survived and most importantly, she would have survived! But that was not to be. Please be assured that none of us at SIF are Anti-Women or even pro-men. We are just battered souls trying to alleviate this gross misjudgment of the family as a relationship per se. DV Act will only be to break more families and generate more awe in men towards relationships as sacred as marriage. But I guess that is the kind of aggression and action that most women want. But no amount of threat is enough to "chastise" a self-respecting person (man) who compromises with his best efforts till the point he breaks and can take no more! Threat can NEVER be the foundation of any relationship and more so a marriage (a false notion that women like my wife are given to nurture). You can oppress a man only up to a point where he is still just allowed to feel his fear of indignation and disrepute has not been outweighed by the burden of his very survival.

I personally have always cried about ONE damn thing. Keep 498A, Keep Dowry Act, keep even the DV Act. But do keep provisions in the laws itself for strict penalties for perjury and malice. You can take my word for it- Ninety Five per cent of all the filed cases would vanish in a wink! Anyway, it's a long way to that. To (again) quote Led Zeppelin at the fag end (one of my most uttered lines of late), all these make me to really believe now "...Lots of people talking but few of them know.. soul of a woman was created below...". Let the women be the judge if they want to live up to that reputation. I hope there is still time to "Save (the) Indian Family" after all!

Regards.

Sudipto De Sarkar
Kolkata

#190
Santosh Kapadia
URL
November 1, 2006
02:59 PM

Mr Righta

I do not think I want to hear a sermon from a guy who has deserted his wife (as per your blog and the link you provided) I went through some parts of it and I think it is really pathetic like a typical MCP you would expect your wife to have the exterior beauty that you have so expressed ur desire on your site and went on to quote that it was disappointing for you that she was not 'fair' as in the picture provided to you, which I feel too sorry for you and your low expectation in life. Comon everyone looks different in pics and that is why there is a term called 'personal meeting'. Irrespective of that, choosing a life partner based on 'color' to me a job of the goal-less who suffer from inferiority complexes and vile minded people. Further you have crucified that vulnerable lady (am so sorry for saying this lady but I shall put it across the best way I can possible), a single mother by now by describing certain physical illness of her that caused a skin aliment publicly. Which I think is so distasteful , repugnant and detestable.

No man or woman is expected to do this. In fact it is illegal to speak of anyones ailments on a public domain . If you were in USA, you would be behind bars for 10 years for sure. Regardless of that , what happened to maintaining some dignity in personal relationships as a matter of respect to the bond and being HUMANE.

I feel bad for children in these kinds of marriages, they either turn out be like sunajy dutts, abu salmes or miss thailands. They suffer in their childhood if they have parents like these.

#191
Sumanth
URL
November 1, 2006
03:38 PM

Every year women drive 22,000 husbands to suicide and each one of these criminals go scot free because Men are considered disposable by society.

Joining hands with their boy friends (who are supporting DV bill) Women also murder about 2000 husbands every year.

Let National Crime Bureau publish statistics from both sides. They we will see real fun.

Its women who indulge in constant mental and economic abuse of men. Since ages, wives have been forcing men to fight with their brothers for a bigger share of property.

Men get a sexual kick by dreaming women as vulnerable and hence all these bullshit laws are getting enacted.

If women are vulnerable, then why their suicide rate is much lower than that of men? Why women have a higher life expectency than men?

Women do beat up men in Indian society. Men do not come out in open as other men (like you) ask them, "why the hell you did not beat the pulp out of her?"

So, if a man complains of beating by his wife, then he is blamed for not hitting her. If he hits her even once (after getting hit by her 100 times), he is a MCP and wife abuser.

IG Radha got beaten up in front of TV Channel camera? Ever MCP makes fun of him because he is not hitting his wife. Even being a Police IG, he is not able to protect himself.

The Gender War begins.

By the way, why the hell the women in DC are silent on this issue where as sex starved MCPs (are coming in support of this biased law) in a country where judicial accountability is a myth?

Because, women (who have brains) now know where the whole country will lead to. The idiot conservative MCPs who call us "sons of bitches" are jumping around.

Law has to be same for both genders.
For same crime, the punishment has to be the same.

Women who drive husbands to suicide are going scot free because sex starved MCPs want to hang around females.

SIF is not a minority. It is the largest Yahoo Group on Divorce (in the world) now. Its membership is growing rapidly. Once our branches open in each and every city and village and once we expose the deeds of criminal women (including recordings) in Internet, we will see which DV law will save the unscrupulous women.

Many feminists are bringing up their sons as daughters and at the same time they want the sons to be competitive/risk taking and protect and provide for her and the whole family in future.

So, they want to have Cake and Eat it too.

As predicted, SIF has taken on a veteran like Flavia Agnes on IBN-Live. If we are a bunch of fools (without strategy) we would not have grown so rapidly and we would not received any attention.

SIF guys work in some of the best organisations in Indian and abroad. Till now, you have only seen the Trailer. The movie will begin very soon when Indian women will start working as "Unpaid Prostitutes" just like women in many so called advanced countries.

The world is FLAT. Indian men are in great demand by women in other countries who have already dumped feminism. Once, the IT guys start living with females (dumping the principles) of other nationalities, the sex/money starved Indian females will come to track.

#192
Sumanth
URL
November 1, 2006
04:17 PM

Foolish Feminist Journalist gives Free Advertisement of SIF in Telegraph.

Read the story.

There is nothing (in this world) which can be called negative publicity. She writes:
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The first arrest has been made under the domestic violence act. But last week, with the act barely out of Parliament, a group of men went slightly wild. To protect the hallowed institution from the threat of "legalised terrorism" by women, they launched a protest group called "Save the Indian Family". When anyone who has been in touch with contemporary Indian culture knows that nothing can save the Indian family since Rakhi Sawant burst onto the scene and I will not dwell on the word "burst" in this context.
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Did we go slightly wild? In fact, I always believed that we guys are fully wild.

SIF is a conglomeration of more than 10 different organisations which got formed on March 9th 2005.

One can see the evidence here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saveindianfamily/

One of the big mistakes the feminists who get DDT from SIF do is to categorise SIF as a Conservative Organisation. Annie Zaidi from Cartel did that in 2005.

Is SIF a conservative organisation?

"Save Indian Family" means save innocent parents, brothers and sisters. Its not really about saving marriages. We love to swim along with the stream. The stream is towards "no marriage, free love and no children."

SIF guys are schrewed enough to remain in "Liberal Boat" and make holes in it than getting attacked royally if they sit in conservative camp. Some pseudo-liberals worshipping "Tits, clits and elephant dick" are now talking against free speech (after they got SIF DDT).

It has been found, the more liberal a judge is, the better s/he treats the guy and his family.

What this Bong "Chandima" Journalist forgot to mention is that SIF has grown 6 times in one year and it will grown another 6 times in next one year.

Indian marriage will become like American marriage, European marriage very soon. If you feel EAST is different, then I must say, Indian marriage will soon reach the stage where "Taiwanese Marriages" are today. They still have joint family system and yet cohabitation (before marriage) is universal. In such a situation, men will no longer remain sex starved (like most Indian male bloggers).

Once sex starved MCPs (who support DV LAW) get fully satiated, they will dump femininists in the middle of national highway, where feminists will get the truck drivers to become part time fathers for their children.

Many MCPs want gender equality, because they want more females in their workplace so that they can romance at day time as well. I ask most of them, "would u report to a female boss? Then their real colour emerges."

Its the MCPs who are advocating in favour of DV Laws now. Feminists want to Piggyback on these MCPs. Good luck to feminists.

#193
null
URL
November 1, 2006
04:41 PM

We will do this, we will do that....bragging frenziedly all over the place.

Predications that are insane and derivations that will cease to happen.

DO SOMETHING. And show us the results.


When sex starved clients have a desire only then prostitutes come into existence .

#194
A.K Rathor
URL
November 1, 2006
05:49 PM

"DO SOMETHING. And show us the results."
Means this Mr./Miss null atleat understood our logic. Well done all.

Mr./Miss null did not realise but we already took the first step i.e. creating awareness. He/She is an aware person now.

#195
null
URL
November 1, 2006
05:55 PM

Santosh Kapadia, is not only a Judge, he is GOD. He knows every thing about every body and passes the verdict right away. HC and SC judges should take his views as declaration rather than going for a lenthy trial Process. At least we can save a lot of time and energy of Judiciary.
First verdict - Send All Husbands to Jail.
OH forgot to add a clause - EXCLUDING MR. Kapadia

#196
Righta
URL
November 1, 2006
06:15 PM

Comment 190# Those portions which you have referred are from my legal documents, in which my advocate had a stake in expressing whatever he thought would "shine" in court.

I haven't vetted those documents much, lest I get my advocate upset(legal proceedings once started is best left to the lawyers, its the stages before that we can hope to have control of, which in my case was almost 'no control' because my in-laws were in a hurry to see me on the streets and my body in floating in 'Juhu' beach!).

Anyway as I said its not personal discussions which is the order of the day. I am sorry if I hurt u in anyway, I did that only to shake u guys up, and re-focus on the topic at hand.

Thanx
Mr.Gokul ;)(now that the cat is out of the bag !)

#197
A.K Rathor
URL
November 1, 2006
06:16 PM

Santosh, If you know so much about US laws you know how strict DV laws gets followed. One 911 call and you can expect justice. Why the hell girls who come here after marriage does not press this number, if they are in trouble. All most all of them are educated and smart English speaking ladies. Why they always prefer to go back to India to file (FALSE) cases? Because there is every chance, if they do so in US, they will be caught and charged for fabricating the matter where as in India they are just Goddess with tears in their eyes.
Check the immigration warnings from the consulate to know that US and Canada warns the NRIs from marriage cheating by brides in India and threat of false cases. This has not happened in a day. The same US mercenary investigated the matter and then added it to their travel warning list.
Looks like you urgently need to get wise.

#198
Santosh Kapadia
URL
November 1, 2006
09:09 PM

Righta
"Shine in court"---since when are personal attacks or facial features or skin textures or skin colors part of the judicial trail. It seems to me more like personal digs of a resentful husband who under any circumstance needs to get back at his wife. So resorts to this. But still you know best. A divorce happens and bitter ones, but one need not resort to personal attacks of human being's looks.
I think in that case my parents taught me better. Marriages are for a life time to grow old together and wrinkles to be accepted. Yes it would make me suicidal if my wife left me coz I am bald now.

Rathor
I also know of current INTERPOL warnings issued against NRI husbands and some whose extradition process have started. Note that half the Indian NRI crowd in USA is on that Interpol list. It is all over the place. The list is even put up on the Indian embassy gates. So it is both ways.

#199
null and void
URL
November 2, 2006
12:33 AM

D.V. is autocratic, one sided, malacious and sexiest.A woman can get away with what ever physical and mental torture that she hurls on the husband but the husband is liable to be persecuted even on the slightest mis-statement.
The question which is time and again revolving is that why should men then at all enter into a marriage or a live-in with a woman . In any marriage or a live-in there is bound to be mutual conflict, differences of opinion,quarrels- some mild and some severe. But the marriage goes on. But if it persists, and if the parteners ultimately decide to part, then a divorce takes place.
But D.V. lays down that at the hint of the slightest argument, a woman can claim that she has been mentally abused and can get her husband or partner booked. But the man, even in the face of the severest mental and physical onslaught by his wife or partner, has no similar redressal.
what-so-ever.
The introduction of such a blatantly twisted Act by women's organisations is hinged on the deliberate misconcept that the modern woman is the "abala, sati-savitri". We are living in the 21st century where women indulge in rampant pre-marital sex,have wanton extra-marital affairs and mentally,physically and financially torture their husbands and his family.
Hence, D.V. IS AN ACT TOTALLY OUT OF TUNE WITH THE MODERN REALITY and has been introduced with the sole purpose of "TEACHING A LESSON" to the "MALE BACKLASHERS", who are questioning some of the attitudes of the so called modern women.
IT IS TIME FOR MEN TO BE AWARE OF THE EVIL DESIGNS OF WOMEN'S ORGANISATIONS.

#200
SUNIL
URL
November 2, 2006
12:36 AM

Do not worry, men are slowly getting aware of feminists, women's organisations and their attitudes. Men generally have sympathy for women but it seems it will slowly fade.

#201
Ashutosh dey
URL
November 2, 2006
12:42 AM

Women organisations are turning out to be female chauvinists.A lot of evil intent,supressed anger and malacious design has gone into the framing of the D.V. act, which is extremely apparent.
Before the passage of the Act there was no discussion in the media whatsoever. It was carried out with utmost secrecy so that men's groups would not get a hint of it and protest and scuttle the passing of the Act.

#202
Ajit
URL
November 2, 2006
12:45 AM

You are correct. It was a planned move with the malacious intention to control the male lash back.Protection of women is only a garb.

#203
A Reporter
November 2, 2006
01:40 AM

Have you ever thought that in this wrold bad women also are there and good men
are also there??
Do you know that Raja Harish Chandra and Raja Ram mohan was a Men only ....

So , Save indian family's on filed NGO head is not a Men , she is a Women only
... for your kind update!!!

Men are scared or not i do not know , but women like you are really scared and
all are trying to do the damage control activity , but it is too late as your AK
47 allready started to fire ..and in front of that no one will spare , let it be
men or women or child... that is the reality.
This is to update your biased and not to ready to accept the reality of 21st
century and your some jurnalist team continously prove the Male hating
articles , proved behoyend resonalbel dought that they does not have a small
honesty or wonder are they really taken a drop of a honest mother milk to
think honestly and write the honest view.

Just few months back regarding the misuse of LAW 498A Supreme court caution
to all for the Legal Terrorism of India and you all forget that very nicely
and insted of taking any corrective action,
all prefers , Just enjoy the terrorist activity of Modern Supernakha , as
Supreme court allready say , " Stop this Legal Terrorism In India " , but
who cares ?

Now your article reminds me this article for your ready reference:-
"Youngsters, if your parent's are illiterate or do not have knowledge about
the LAW, SINCERELY CAUTION YOU, BEWARE and acknowledge yourself and your
parents before marriage, else one may possibly gets trapped in a hand of
criminal almost as powerful as a felony.

Current Suicide rates in India:

"National rate: 11 persons per 100,000-IndiaStat.com

For males in the age group of 30 to 44, the Suicide rate is a whopping 508
per 100,000 persons; for women it is 220. The Suicide rate among men in the
age group of 45 to 59 is a shocking 1,812 per 100,000 persons and among
women, nearly 550. So much more people are dying due to SOWRY (reverse of
DOWRY) harassment than the DOWRY harassment. "

However, among divorced males the suicide rate is 164 per 100,000 persons,
but even in this class, among females the rate is only 63 per 100,000. While
the suicide rate for separated men is about 167, for females it is only 41
per 100,000 persons.

Above statistics are surprising but is reality. Culturally India is very
inclined/respected/supportive to women and the advantage taken by women
organizations."

Just take a Break and put your brian in a Balanced way, as this is
definetely will going to break your sleep, as this is not a Normal Criminal,
extra high profile criminal with cool hearted action plan...

Story of Kiranjit Ahluwalia is just an Example. She like thousands of other
Indian women in India and around the world is a Hard Core Criminal, who
justify her crime and got scot free. But what makes Kiranjit stand-apart is
that she found the Loope Whole deep within, which made her finally put an
end to the Story and not give any socpe to her husabnd to say the truth.
More at :
http://pariwariksuraksha.blogspot.com/

Is It the time for Making 498B and 304C ?


CC : Uma - your appreacation are in right directions .. this we want the more
they will try to destory SIF , the same will be more and more strong .. our
fight for justice will continue and all those husabnds killer will not be able
to hide any more in our society.

#204
Kavi Sammelan
November 2, 2006
03:07 AM

Current DV system falls in first category and has made regular living
of millions of men a nightmare and disaster.

For instance, I know of man whose life can be summarised as following

1) Married for 7 years, one 2 year old kid
2) Occassional skirmishes with family members by wife
3) No alcohol, smoking, physical
3) Both well educated, both working in good position except during
her pregnancy
4) They had decent 2 bedroom house in which 3 people lived.
5) They had One 2002 car driven by both
6) Married with zero dowry and shared expenses of marriage equally
7) Wife was very dear to Father-in-law since he always craved
a daughter. Both were too comfortable with each other and wife
usually counted on FIL to support her as needed.
8) They had a full time servant to assist in household chores
9) Both Parents lived within 5 kms of husband and wife and
visited once a week on average ...
10) They vacationed once a year and went overseas too

The mother of all battle started when one day wife demanded that she
must have a separate car for herself. She did have a need, which husband
was not denying. Both were sharing and cooperating in use of their one car.
Husband did calculations based on all committed expenses and told car can
only be purchased after 6 to 8 months. He did not say NO to second car,
only wanted some time to organize.

She, on the other hand, was not prepared to wait. She went and filed a
DV complaint and FALSE DOWRY case.

Result 6 months LATER:

Husband and his mother were arrested and released on bail.
He lost his job bcos of this
He now spends his days combing the road aimlessly
He sold his car
House payments are now made by his younger brother
Mother has contracted some weird skin disease and
Father-in-law has gone into depression and does not come out of his room
Their young son has contracted Asthma


And these are just the few problems caused by her complaint
I've painted a one very softened up misuse of this law against a simple
Indian family ...

I HOPE I HAVE SHOWED YOU THE REASON OF FEAR THAT YOU
HAVE SOMEHOW MISSED.

In this case described, car was actually a tip of the iceberg. With all his
vices & virtues, this guy was introvert and would never talk. At work, He often
would
stand more than necessary in lift, because he could not say "EXCUSE ME"
to person blocking the passage. As it was discovered later, wife was leaning
towards another man at her work and probably needed car so that she could
go to meet him. I do not want to bash her. I know her for long time.
She is extremely brilliant woman. In her line or work, I would go to her
without hesitation.

#205
Righta
URL
November 2, 2006
04:33 AM

comment # 198: Yes, I know best, so I rest my case, on to the relevant discussion at hand....

#206
Hardy
November 2, 2006
12:22 PM

Mr Kapadia... is 500 years old...he was born and brought up in 16th century, but is living in 21st.
I am eagerly waiting for his "well nurtured" and value oriented son to grow up and then for all the noble, good kind guy his father made him to be, he gets implciated in false dowry, 498A or DV case.

May God make Mr Kapadia's son noble, humble, kind and woman loving, because only then can he and his family will be exploited by yet another devious woman.

#207
Righta
URL
November 2, 2006
12:23 PM

"The Copy Paste Tripe", watcha gonna do.... when they come for u.......

Dear Sir/ Madam,

This is in response to the article: What are men scared of? By CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA, link: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp

Many sensible social activists are much scared of increasing misuse of laws against family ethos and peace than anything else. The laws that are made with sweeping powers against the accused, without giving any of the option to prove their innocence are being heavily used as a weapon of assassin, as in the case of widespread misuse of sec. 498A of IPC, the dowry harassment law. Many lawyers say that the law of 498a has been massively misused by educated and urban-middle class wives in more than 90% of the cases against innocent husbands and their parents to blackmail them for money, property and other articles. But the major casualty is the Indian culture, society and the sacred institution of marriage that is at our core, which will erode in years to come, without any doubt.

As in this Domestic Violence Act 2005, there is a S. 32 (2) that goes even further and says that "under the sole testimony of the aggrieved person, the court may conclude that an offence has been committed by the accused".

So just realize what kind of weapons are just waiting to be targeted against the innocent families relatives, in a way of a threatening to them.

Now, at least don't assume and acclaim that why the men are so scared as it is not about men, but its about family where men and women coexists, and may be tomorrow, one could be you or your close one who would be targeted by its misuse, believe me, it has happened with many earlier.

Read the Report on Indian Marriage Problems and Issues at link: http://reportmaritalproblems.blogspot.com/

Regards
Nishant Kumar

#208
Righta
URL
November 2, 2006
12:26 PM

Dear Chandrima
The unjustice that has happned under Section 498a and Dowry laws is again going to be repeated and the sucide statistics is going to continuously go worse . The obnoxious behaviouor of Rani Mukherjee in the movie Kank is not a figment of imagination but a reality which many men live .

The continuous verbal , physical and mental abuse faced by men has lead to around 23000 men commiting sucide driven by wife and this is not my statistics . This is statistics from WHO on the difference.

Many men who are tortured unable to meet the lifestyle demand of thier wife , taunts by in laws for not bringing enough moolah for meeting the materialistic demand end thier lives . Some of them also happen to be farmers.

Does this not haunt you that married men's suicide is higher then unmarried mens sucide where are there is no differnce in suicide rate between married and unmarried women. A simple higher rate of sucide by men in India it is 2:1( Crime bureau of In dia 2004 ) is sufficient to conclude that men need emotional and mental protection from harassment.The innocent Autorickshaw driver in karimnagar who jumped off the tall builinding , Aswath kumar , Manjunath all need the protection .

Men do not have a right of justice currently . Under the DV law men will also loose the right of protection against injustice.

When Womens organisations make up statistics in your article which any Gynaecologist will tell you is simply not true in their sample obviously the womens organisation statistics has come to light.

This is not a law . A law allows for investigation , fair trial , hearing from both parties before passing any orders .

The collective experince of men in the section 498a where in there evidences which they have plenty are nver even considered a reality . let me quote a Retired Juge on the preface of Dowry Harassment Handbook
a. "I was once invited to lecture on human rights at police training college .While discussing about faulty investigation and misuse of the some of the statutes DSP said that the instructions in Dowry prohibition act are , they need to examine on the girl's side only .I asked whether it was not necessary to examine the boys side to find out the truth . He said their instructions are that accused should be directed to prove their innocence in the court . I was shocked . The judgment of Supreme court in Nandini Satpati case ( AIR 1978 SC 1025 and many other judgments including those of Privy council have been safely forgotten Even the police standing orderOr. 566 hs not been followed

This has been the colelctive experience and clearly the law is made with an intention for "men to suffer " as one lady said on TV who happens to be one of the ministers. IF this is the stance and approach it is no wonder that men are right to fear when they make the mistake of marriying an abusive wife the tribe of which seems to increasing becuase it has become profitable to be abusive. Injustice is only going to increase .
In no other criminal law is any financial advantage provided to a complainant . This si the unique law providing a financial advantage to abusive complainant. with no repurcussion on being abusive. the massive misuse of Dowry laws have demonstarted that given incentives and no deterrent people will jump the bandwagon for gain .
It is not a wonder given this background that man men fear this law will be applied in ideological fashion in a mechanical way as complaining women good , others bad.

Contributed by SIF veteran and online columnist Bharathi(aka Pandurangi Reddy Bharati, who is referred to in this article)

#209
Righta
URL
November 2, 2006
12:30 PM

Dear Ms. Chandrima,

In your article "What are men scared of?" in The
Telegraph (link:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp)
you said, "But I was just wondering what made the men
feel so threatened. There doesn't seem to be much
reason."

People who do not understand why men feel threatened
by the Domestic Violence Act will probably not even be
able to imagine why women would feel threatened by
this Act. Anyone who has been awake the last two
decades knows how section 498A of IPC has been heavily
misused, dragging innocent men and women into police
stations, lock-ups and courts, thus depriving many
young children of a happy childhood, many youth of
productive careers and many senior citizens of mental
peace in the last leg of their lives. Whoever said
that India "loves to pass acts that will never be
implemented", must take a look at how IPC section 498A
has been not only very poorly formulated but how badly
it has been implemented.

As if this 498A fiasco is not enough jingoistic
feminists have come up with another Act, along the
same lines of 498A only with larger loopholes waiting
to be used against many more Indian citizens. As, you,
Ms. Chandrima point out, many women who really need
protection from Domestic Violence will probably never
know about it and even if they do, never use it. This
law will be yet another weapon in the hands of
unscrupulous women who will misuse it at the slightest
opportunity. If men were living on an Island and have
nothing to do with the rest of their family and the
law is doing some sort of negative selection against
genuinely abusive men, then there would be no problem.
However, in a society where men and women live
together what affects one affects the other. When a
man is thrown out of his own house under true or false
allegations of domestic violence or cruelty everyone
who is dependent on him is bound to suffer. That will
include dependent parents and siblings who can be male
or female. It is unfair enough to penalize an entire
family even if an accused man is truly abusive. Unfair
is a subtle word to describe a situation in which an
innocent man, along with his family, is tortured by
misuse of law. Injustice is a subtle word to describe
how women, who commit perjury and harass families for
years on end go unpunished.

Many men suffer in silence in India unable to meet the
unending financial and emotional needs of their wives.
Some of them even face physical violence. This section
of the Indian population is completely missed by the
radar either intentionally or because men are too
embarrassed to admit their misery lest they be labeled
as sissies who cannot fix problems in their homes. On
the other hand many a men who belong to this category
are facing threats or fighting false cases filed
against them by their wives.

Domestic violence is committed by men and women and it
is not always directed against the opposite sex. This
is even more true considering the wide range of areas
covered by the Domestic Violence Act. Where do
husbands harassed by wives seek retribution? Where do
women harassed by their daughters-in-law or
sisters-in-law seek protection? In fact every family
that has so far been falsely accused and tormented in
the name of Section 498A has been subjected to
Domestic Violence as defined by the law. The only
catch is that not everyone is covered by the law. On
the other hand, victims of Domestic Violence are ever
more vulnerable and at risk of being legally harassed
by thoughtless women. That, Ms. Chandrika, is what all
of us men and women are scared about.

Contributed by SIF member(a lady!, yes ladies get stuck in this quicksand too, that's what we are talking about, Monsieur) and a co-accused along with her brother in 498a, who remains anonymous because of legalities

#210
Righta
URL
November 2, 2006
12:41 PM

I can't disclose my identity due to pending
litigation.
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Chandrima,

DVA and 498A are acts that say that you are guilty unless you prove yourself innocent. These two acts start by grouping all men with the boors, the abusers, the morons and the losers.

If these acts are supposed to protect women, then you should also remember that our mothers and sisters are women and not just the "wives"

This instant, my mother and my sisters are in jail charged under 498A. I can't get them out on bail as the ex-father in law is a local goon and is pretty well connected.

My ex is living here in the US since the last two
years. She never lived with them for more than 20-30 days at the most collectively. Please tell me, how does one harrass a person you have not spoken to or seen or exchanged emails with in years ?

I know what domestic violence is. I also know what dowry harrassment is. I am for the protection of women and I would really like to see this pernicious thing called dowry disappear.

But the times have changed and 498A is actually an extortion tool and not a law any more. DVA will be used as an extortion tool as well.

Here is my question. Why would a woman want to live with anyone who is an abuser or one who demands dowry ? If financial dependence is the only reason to do so, then the law should address that.

The reaction by men to DVA and 498A is not about male hegemony or males losing "Control". This is about the basic tenets of decency and rights afforded under the constitution which says that you are innocent until you prove yourself guilty.

DVA and 498A empower unscrupulous women and do nothing to empower the vast majority of the silent sufferers which now include the sisters and mothers of men who are born in this land and were/are married to unscrupulous women.

Forget about women. Thanks to these acts, the guys who are laughing all the way to the bank are the cops and the lawyers.

I hope that you didn't write this article because it's fashionable to pose as a feminist or because it was sure to provoke a reaction and get some attention.

Regardless, I do hope that you are never subjected to the kind of blackmail that I am being subjected to right now or ever see the inside of a prison.

I did sense some hurt in your article and i sincerely hope that you have not come to know a man only as a boor, a moron or an abuser. These kind of men exist, but form a subset of the male population, just as unscrupulous women form a subset of the female population.

I also hope that you'd think twice before you write this kind of tripe again.

Regards

-J

Contributed by SIF member(a lady!, yes ladies get stuck in this quicksand too, that's what we are talking about, Monsieur),who remains anonymous because of legalities

#211
Righta
URL
November 2, 2006
12:42 PM

Hi all,
At least in previous days, Sec 498A (2), has given the power to notorious
ladies to make complaint that husbands harass them to demand property ie
money or gold.
In my so many mails, I wrote about my case, ie 498A is meant for general
harassment or any motive shoud be there?
But now it is cleared that, there can be no demand and if you talk to your
wife with a hyper pitch tone, then that is enough to book you under 498A.
Enough scope for more and more false cases.
Ultimate Indian Legal Machinery will going to be very busy in writing FIRs,
issuing Charge Sheets, blah blah altogther just for running more and more
false cases
Women liberation is nothing but threatening innocent males.
Once they kill their husbands, they are free.
But if they kill they will be booked under Sec 302 of IPC.
If husband commits suicide, they are not guilty and they are not booked.
Women Liberation starts and ends with the death of their husbands.
It is Indian Law.
We are true Indians and faithful followers of Law.
regards
Ramnath(SIF member)

#212
Righta
URL
November 2, 2006
01:11 PM

my mail to chandrima is as below:

dear chandrima,

i just read your article.

well you are asking what are men really scared of?
the men on the streets are not the ones who abused their wife, they are the ones who are abused. they are the ones who have to cook the food(in some cases), or serve self, or get the homework done of kids only because the wife is busy watching saas bahu serial. all after a stressful working day with pressure of earning money.and then also perform better than last so that he may avoid the impotency tag for a few more days. (it is tough under stress and at gunpoint, its official, i can put you to so many cases since i also handle helpline) in spite of them doing all the chores and putting money, they are scared of misuse of the law.

the bashers are all enjoying life, where as their wives is not making use of the law. where as surpanakhas are.
read my article that coined the term of modern surpanakha and sita and this campaign. for better understanding of this terms.
http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com/2005/08/498a-made-for-sita-but-surpanakhas-are.html

read other articles too. on http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com one after the other in series, you will realise the plight of a male who is afraid of this law being misused on his sister, sister in law, father and brother. the guys on the streets are not anti women
and mother.

i repeat
the guys on the streets are not anti women

pls don't be so inconsiderate in categorising all the men as bashers do make way for good guys too who can be like your brother who has the same family values like you. after all these guys are also someones brothers and sons and fathers too. we do call a surpanakha a surpanakha. but sita a sita and we have them in our group.

our fight is that law is inconsiderate and wife centric. and has a lot of scope of misuse with no machinery of penalty to back up on misuse. i hope you would not mix up on the two things hence forth.

we are all about domestic harmony. i have been straight forward on certain issues for better understanding and representation.

pls feel free to write back. this is in the right spirits.

kind regards,

jinesh zaveri.

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- Mahatma Gandhi in "My Experiments with Truth" Part 4 - Chapter 39.

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#213
Somebody who already commented
November 2, 2006
01:17 PM

Kapadia's and etal ...some food for thought...
I am ashamed and embarrassed to narrate you my story.
The bitch and daughter of the most dilapidated dog I accidentally got married to through matrimonial column is perhaps the most crooked woman one could ever imagine.
Now listen carefully and believe it if you can...
my f**king wife told me the first week that his fucking father sexually assaulted her when she was in class 8 and so did his father's friend on numerous occasions and now these two bastards (my FIL and my wife) have joined hands and planted a totally false 498A case against me. This is when if you can believe me, I never ever discussed this issue ever since she first told me. We never abused her for the 30 days she stayed with my family.
This is just a trailer...My story does not start here and end here, but since i can be caught in litigation i have to be careful...

Now Two things arise...
1) My wife would have been telling me truths...in that case you can see for yourself the kind of family they are.
2) My wife was playing some sympathy card and she like all other woman do. was lying...imagine a mean girl who can defame her parents in front of her husband for all 25-30 odd years she spent with them for cheap gain of sympathy...what kind of cheap woman would she be.
Infer for yourself.
Now when i go and tell anybody the first impression is that i am trying to defame my in-laws as an after thought...but over here on the anonymous web platform I guess I gain/loose nothing by putting truth upfront.
From what i have undergone...I have been assured that rape and sexual assault is derogatory only to patriarchal MCPs. For Women rape sexual assault blah blah is just a means to earn sympathy. Rape comes very natural to a woman and she does not feel any guilty on embarrassment inwards. But yes outwardly, she wants to win sympathy from everybody so she cribs and wails about it lying to everybody just like any other creature of same gender.
MCPs who are looking for sexual favours, provide protectionist attitude and shelter to women causes under the genetically hard wired sub conscious thought, that having erased/removed/defeated one more male from sexual competition, there is an increase(even if miniscule) in probability of finding that available mate for having some more sex.

[personal attack deleted]

#214
A.K Rathor
URL
November 2, 2006
02:16 PM

Santosh,
"So it is both ways". After so much of discussion now you agree that its both ways. But where are the protection laws for Men and their families. If situation exists both ways then why the hell we have laws which are one way. Why can't we make a balanced law which can protect the interest of real victims and at the same time protect innocents from getting harassed? Do our law makers are as DUMB of Biased in views as their followers?

And to clear your another confusion on current INTERPOL warnings on NRI Husbands here are the facts:
1>Travel warning from brides in India who are cheats - was put by US Govt. after their own investigation, where as
2> INTERPOL warnings on NRI Husbands - Is pushed by Indian Govt. under extreme pressure from NCW. US agency has accepted the Indian Govt. request on her Face value.
If you do not know the ideology of NCW of vote bank politics, please research a bit on your own.

#215
Santosh Kapadia
URL
November 2, 2006
03:51 PM

I do not have to agree with you on everything.

It would have put you in better light if you would have presented both sides of the case instead of clinging on to gender wars.

#216
A.K Rathor
URL
November 2, 2006
04:58 PM

Do not be political Mr. Santosh Kapadia. All NGOs, NCW -funded by the tax payer's money are there to voice for one gender with unidirectional attitude. If a person wants to voice the concern for bringing harmony and protect the other gender, he in advance becomes a criminal. Even his miseries which include his mother and sisters too is mocked and laughed at. According to you I have got two options, either try to come in better light by sticking to the unidirectional approach and die or fight for justice and live.
I choose to live.

#217
null
URL
November 2, 2006
05:53 PM

A Blessing - Written by Vivekananda The Mother's heart, the hero's will, The softest flowers' sweetest feel; The charm and force that ever sway The altar-fire's flaming play; The strength that leads, in love obeys; Far-reaching dreams, and patient ways, Eternal faith in Self, in all, The light Divine in great, in small; All these and more than I could see, Today may "Mother" grant to thee!


See Mother how these sons have abused you.

#218
V by SIF
URL
November 2, 2006
09:14 PM

Guys, If we provoke the feminists, then they will write against us
and discuss about us as done by "CHANDIma Bitch".

That will give us free publicity and more and more men will know
about us. As more men join us, we have more capability to tell to
more and more men about it.

Once all men get Vaccinated by SIF, the bitches will really have a
tough time (as men will get fully wired to record all the physical,
mental, economic violence that that face from their wives).

Lets also advertise in Indian websites using Google adwords so that
more and more men can reach us.

We also need to tell men to stop marrying and start livein relations
even if it meant spending a lot of money on the female. Then, we
should tell the religious conservatives that feminists and
politicians are breaking families. Conservatives are still the
majority in India. They will screw the feminists and the politicians.

#219
Righta
URL
November 3, 2006
01:52 AM

Dear Bharti Ji,

Under the DV law men will also loose the right of protection against injustice.
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Forget about to get justice, Indian husabnds do not deserve to get protection for injustice in India as ... some tom , dick or harry 100 yeras ago have done some injustice to some bad women!!!

And in 21st century , the first word from Honerabale minister was..." Now it turns to suffer all the men". But is per me it is not the men it is the time to suffer all honest people , let it be men/women/child as "Terrorism" kill only innocent .

But unable to understand why media want to hide the sucide stastics???
Wonder , waht happend to all honest jurnalist , and why they are so much afrid to disclose the same in front of Public???


On 11/2/06, Bharati wrote:
Dear Chandrima
The unjustice that has happned under Section 498a and Dowry laws is again going to be repeated and the sucide statistics is going to continuously go worse . The obnoxious behaviouor of Rani Mukherjee in the movie Kank is not a figment of imagination but a reality which many men live .

The continuous verbal , physical and mental abuse faced by men has lead to around 23000 men commiting sucide driven by wife and this is not my statistics . This is statistics from WHO on the difference. <<<>>>
BY Swarup Sarkar, Senior SIF Member and Evangelist(in Reply to Pandurangi Reddy Bharathi(who is quoted in the 'root' Article), as appearing in the comment# 208, also a Senior SIF member and evangelist)

#220
Righta
URL
November 3, 2006
02:26 AM

Comment#213: "MCPs who are looking for sexual favours, provide protectionist attitude and shelter to women causes under the genetically hard wired sub conscious thought, that having erased/removed/defeated one more male from sexual competition, there is an increase(even if miniscule) in probability of finding that available mate for having some more sex."............. "Somebody who already Commented".......... I don't know, for sure, what's the reality in your case, but I agree to the above line of thought, about males feeling obliged to think in favour of a woman ,even when he sees a lot of men helplessly trying to get out of the turmoil they are pushed into by unscrupulous wives/girls, who would almost always lie about the reality. This "Common unaffected" man would not believe that women could be such cold-blooded predators who tries to target her target-victim's emotional stability and his above 'soft-corner' for women, which is conditioned in him by centuries of culture and traditional upbringing- these 'common unaffected but fixated, and un-inquisitive male types will only sit and think about the 'conspiracy theories' when the killer meteorite smashes his planet(or beliefs, self-imposed but stupid sensitivities, and his out-of-touch-with-reality dogmas!) into smithereens, then he will sit-up and realize , yes this was what SIF talked on that day.......... Welcome to Armageddon , where u either stand alone and wither away or you team-up with other 'Born again Men' and fight for justice even if it's a fight till death.... This is the reality monsieur, this is the truth, it may be bitter, but u will do better to verify and realize this ASAP, lest we meet a bit for the Apocalypse, sooner the better, we need to save this society from moral decay and mindless destruction

If we have Christian and Muslim theologies ready to get on the war path(some say that's the actual apocalypse which has been talked about in mythology) , we already have wars between Male and Female genders, as an undercurrent in our societies for a long time, this disturbing and avoidable trend is assuming dangerous proportions, that's a worrying specter, and that's why we need to ACT NOW.


I would also add another point about why a man feels compelled, if not for this sub-conscious need for advancing in the queue in the "mating game!".... this propensity to side women mindlessly comes from the conditioning which makes us think that "all women are helpless, weak and defenseless and we are supposed to be the 'Knights in Armour' who are responsible for protecting her against any harm, even at our own peril(that's supposed to be a Gentleman's hallmark, to lay his life down for a lady, yes I too believed it, but now I know better; like being cautious about the possibility of back-stabbed when you least expect it by the same lady you would have laid you life in the line of fire!).

This conditioning is in line with the age-old "Rakhi" tradition, when rakhi was instituted as a way to ensure protection to women by making men their 'mooh bolah' brothers(adopted brothers or whatever one may call this 'Rakhi').

While females(can't call them ladies or even women, and I am not talking about each every female on the face of this earth, I am talking about some malignant strain/breed of the female kind) have evolved and taken to predatory, 'imperialistic', & selfish manipulations and who would wrongly take recourse to lopsided laws, and misuse these draconic laws which inherently lack any degree of rudimentary checks and balances, feigning with some false pretext(the laws which they(or malignant money-making, power-mongering lobbies of these sick feminazies/females) push through leaving logic and 'natural justice' and other primal Maxims of all laws, in lurch(Maxims of Law including not an Innocent should be convicted even if 100 criminals escape the "net" of Law- leave alone 1 innocent, lakhs of innocent victims of misuse of these gender biased laws are wallowing in the dark and trying to team up with their brethren who are like minded, of similar fate or just plain just and honest, good Samaritans).

And in between these struggles to try and get our society evolve in the direction, simpletons driven by love of poetry or plain pompous gay abandon, end up quoting poems in which are very 'nice' but perfectly out of context when you consider that they are directed as taunts at members of SIF J (referring to comment # 217). But if 'null' had changed his comment after the poem as "See Mother how these sons of yours are taking on to what you had wished", ... then it would have been an excellent tribute to some of those hardworking, selfless activists of SIF who are selflessly spending mighty man-hours online and offline to make a difference. The efforts which would be cherished by our successors(including the children of the same detractors of SIF and similar uprisings, who are now mindlessly opposing our messages and intend, leave alone not agreeing to our cause, they don't even allow a patient hearing of what we are clarifying, that "we are here to try and reduce the misuse, if not eliminate it- not to take away these rightful recourses which women obviously need - we are not here to increase the gender divide, we are here to reduce it by accepting both genders as important and blissfully different/complimentary in unison, and hence both deserve an equal footing".

An equal footing cannot be achieved before we, as a start, eliminate the 'glaring' bias in the laws like IPC 498a and DV Act, which almost assumes that violence, cruelty or harassment are ambit of the "male form" only!, what's this absurd logic about?, where has it come from. Yes, we all observe that more women get abused/violated/oppressed/harassed than males in a marital set-up(but this as a proportion compared to males being oppressed in a marital set-up is increasing thanks to these draconic laws), but please introduce checks and balances to prevent misuse by anybody and which ensures the genuine victim, irrseptive of gender gets justice.

I hope to have a consensus on the fact that our aim should not be to mould a legislature which is wide open for misuse and which will put men and their families(which includes sisters and mothers, who do not possibly qualify as "women"!) at perpetual risk and liable to oppression, unduly disadvantaged and manipulation.

With this I hope to have ur favourable audience and articulate discussions, be good to your selves and other's(who might not "seem" to have a privileged life, as you seem to be having). Don't just sit and spit out roobish as they say ;), enjoyyy life anyway.




#221
Sumanth
URL
November 3, 2006
09:46 AM

The Men like Michael Caines in movie "Blame it on Rio" are the first ones to encourage the girl to put 498a.

These guys first have physical relationship with innocent young girls (especially daughters of their friends) and later on they use their clout to screw their future husband.

The so called logical, rational men, who have physical relationships with their sisters and daughters are the ones who encourage the females to file false cases of 498a and indulge in legal terrorism.

The Govt of US has given travel warning against the unscrupulous females and their incestous fathers and brothers. Supreme Court of India has warned against Legal Terrorism under 498a and told parliament to modify the law.

The parliament did nothing to stop misuse of 498a and jailing of innocent old and sick elders. Now, they bring in a highly one-sided Domestic Violence Law which can be applied to increase the torture on men before is filed 498a.

The counsellors and protection officers will be as corrupt as today's police and if the wife's parents have got all contacts, they will screw the guy, rape his sister and get away by using the fear of Domestic Violence Law.

In Orissa, a female was raped first by her brother's in-laws and then she was put in jail by police.

The current DV Law gives no protection to a lady if her daughter abuses her. The lady can get jailed if she objects to the verbal, mental invectives and abuse by a the father and brothers of her daughter-in-law.

Shabana Azmi (when she was young) acted in a movie called AVATAR where her daughter-in-law accuses her of Theft and throws her and her husband(Dilip kumar) away from the house.

Today, Shabana Azmi and Hema Malini can shout in favour of 498a (and jailing of innocent elders) and now they can support DV Law.

Many times brothers employ their sisters as prostitutes. When their husbands object, the brothers and the females put 498a on the husbands.

There are thousands of permutations and combinations.

Once Video and Audio (recorded) evidence can save the men and expose the terrorist women. The crocodile tears will be of no use then.

The MCPs are supporting DV law because the violent never get into any legal problems in India.

#222
neha
November 3, 2006
12:48 PM

Whoa....no one is spared!

I need to keep my partner away from all this.

#223
null
URL
November 3, 2006
01:06 PM

[EDITED]

#224
neha
URL
November 3, 2006
01:13 PM

I dont undertand what wrote. Jail?? what does that mean? How can you guess about my partner..what is the base...Ahhh...the same as the way you have illusions of violence against men.

Why do you care who my partner is. Who is yours under those several multiple Ids

In anycase , you are free to visit my home and loving family, hoping for the best that my toddler gives you some inspiration ie love for thy family.

But the only thing I am scared ;( of when my husband meets you lest he get infected with your thoughts.

#225
Gope Lalwani
URL
November 3, 2006
01:58 PM

Recent study show that women are just as likely to physically attack their male partners as vice versa.

Women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.


Several studies of domestic violence have suggested that males and females in relationships have an equal likelihood of
acting out physical aggression, although differing in tactics and potential for
causing injury.

Women assailants will more likely throw something, slap, kick, bite, or punch their partner, or hit them with an object.
While males will more likely beat up their partners, and choke or strangle them.

#226
Gope Lalwani
URL
November 3, 2006
02:13 PM

[please use small letters to make your point]

#227
Gope Lalwani
URL
November 3, 2006
02:22 PM

Renuka Chowdhury, Minister for Women and Child Development,Government of India says that, around 70 per cent of women in India
were victims of domestic violence in
some form.

Domestic violence has been admitted as a common
Matrimonial problem in Indian Society in general.

Why then the "MOIA" and "NCW" are maligning "NRI" & "PIO"
Comunity based in US abd UK ?

There are around 70 per cent broken Homes in INDIA itself as a result of
FAILED AND FRAUDULENT MARRIAGES !!!

#228
Vaccination by SIF
URL
November 3, 2006
03:11 PM

Join the SIF group. Get vaccinated and be protected for life from women

SIF vaccination---100% results---protection for life.

#229
null
URL
November 3, 2006
08:44 PM

Soon India will have reputation of Domestically Violent Nation.

Indian Women have ceased to be protected by their near and
dear ones !!!

Indian Women will now be protected by the Police !!!

But who will protect the Indian Women from the Indian Police,
which is known as world's biggest criminal mafia in uniform ?



#230
Righta
URL
November 4, 2006
05:31 AM

"Null" comment 229: Women have laws to protect them from what you are fearing too, they now have laws and more laws, but the problem is that they won't have in-laws or sane partners in the process.

But its also that : If its law, its gonna be an ASS(since law is an Ass, which doesnt discern anything which is not presented to it in a manner it understands before it gives an unemotional verdict!)

So women will now have to be happy of being proected by as "ASS", how sad :), but some enjoy this fact, ha, null bai, some still would enjoy it... how do u and me care a damn anyways, we are Born again Men, who have almost been shown the "other world" by these Asses combine!.
(Aman and websmater's the names are not being remebered by ur webpages and hence many a comment is by "Null", do take care).

#231
A Reporter
November 4, 2006
06:53 AM

"In Orissa, a female was raped first by her brother's in-laws and then she was put in jail by police."
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Not a bad Idea Sumanth!!!!
Whole sale free lincence to rape a girl , only thing you need to be a Brother of such 498a girl..right??

#232
Sumanth
URL
November 4, 2006
02:35 PM

Mr.Reporter,

Its the Indian Courts and Indian parliament who are giving whole sale licence. I am a small fish.

Just look at Jessica Lal case. The courts and the judiciary and law enforcement system need to take responsibility.

In stead, if innocent men are crucified by picking them from anywhere, then women will have a much tougher time ahead.

Well, the choice is upto people like you.

If biased laws remain in place, then we SIF members will scare the the men in all over the country. We have enough time to do all that. Now, we are monetarily strong enough to create awareness amoung men. As it continues, Men will decide how to lead their lives. They will decide whether to live-in or to get married (lose money, lose mind).

Media bias has created huge opportunity for us. If I publish a book tomorrow on these topics, I may make millions. Its a completely inexplored terrotory and we have the research with us. PhD guys are approaching us from India and abroad.

#233
NYMOM
URL
November 4, 2006
02:43 PM

"These women have got habituated to be dependent on husbands pay and harassing them and her in laws on her tunes. It is a gross violation of human rights.making a woman independent only can can let makeher right choices in her life and be happy."

Well I am not Indian, but feel that an outsider's comments might be helpful here.

First of all women everywhere have become dependent on men, not just in the aspect of husband's pay but in every aspect...and that will not change overnight.

So I think men will have to be patient with this and try to work within the intent of the law whichi is to protect women, who have been the victims of domestic violence, forced marriages, abandonment as children, etc., in every society since humanity first crawled out of the primal mists.

I don't think the law should be disregarded because a few cases of women abusing it have come to light over a few years. Those women should be properly punished but the intent of the law should still be honored which is to protect vulnerable women and their children...

#234
NYMOM
URL
November 4, 2006
02:49 PM

"Recent study show that women are just as likely to physically attack their male partners as vice versa.

Women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners."

Many of these studies were put out in the west by men attempting to eviscerate our domestic violence laws here...they frequently try to equate a woman who might slap a man in an argument with a man who breaks a woman's nose by punching her in the face.

They have tried to include within the definition of domestic violence the 'crime' of 'using sex as a weapon' in other words not wanting to sleep with your husband after an argument...Or not wishing to cook for your husband as a form of domestic violence...

Total nonsense...

Don't pay too much attention to these attempts by mens rights advocates to mess with your domestic violence laws the way they have screwed up ours here.

#235
null
URL
November 4, 2006
11:02 PM

Dear NY mom, have you ever been out of NY and gone to India to even have any idea what we all are talking about? Just save your advice for someone naive and dumb enough to believe you.

An Indian woman.

#236
null
URL
November 4, 2006
11:11 PM

"I don't think the law should be disregarded because a few cases of women abusing it have come to light over a few years. Those women should be properly punished but the intent of the law should still be honored which is to protect vulnerable women and their children..."

NYMOM,

Try getting your son married to a nasty Indian woman and get falsely accused and get screwed by our police, lawyers and courts. Then you can discuss at length as to what lengths India should go to "protect" its women. We know our reality better. Thanks for trying to provide an outsider's perspective though. Hope you also understand all the insiders' perspective which is based on hard facts and bitter reality.

#237
null
URL
November 4, 2006
11:18 PM

Dear Sir/Madam,

I have to protest against your arcticle

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp

It seems that the journalist has not done any reasearch on the subject and has just expressed her views in a half baked manner - pretty similar to how this law was drafted. Allow me to quote some of her comments.

"What happens when every day, after a hectic time at the office, the woman comes and sees the floor strewn with empty plastic bottles, which means that not only she has to put them back, but also fill them with filtered water? Then the wait at the filter? Then to find that an empty pizza box is lying on the bed? To find that the fan had not been switched off, though he left home later and came back earlier? That the clothes are all to be folded, while he watches the recap of how India lost because they played Dhoni at number six? To feel too tired by the end of dinner to give in to his wish -- of watching a movie together? To have to scream at him, though that's not how it should have been at all? Day after day after day? "

You want a law to be made for these things ? Do you have any common sense at all ? and what would the law say - jail a man if he happens to be unclean ? (This is not to say that all men are !!) Are you totally out of your mind ? Then, should they make laws for women who fret over which dress is better, or who constantly blabber about which star was wearing what dress ? or who are constant clean freaks !!

The unfortunate fact is that you just want to dominate and control your man. That is the agenda that you are trying to pursue here. You seem to think that men exist only to serve a woman. This is what is called feminazism. You are not for gender equality. You are for gender domainance. You and your kinds want to terrorize men by legally binding him.

"But it leaves out some notoriously unspoken facts about the tortures of living with a man. They can lead to slow death for the woman. "

So, you are against living with a man. It is pretty clear that you abhor marriages and consider cohabiting with a man a "slow death". However, most women find their men a pillar of strength, who stick with them through highs and lows. The men teach the kids to how to protect and take care of families and how to be responsible. Men and women make a family and are equals in it. What role an individual plays in a relationship is best left to the couple. No laws can define that.

I would have loved to blast your arguments (or the lack thereof) to pieces, however, that would assume that you are capable of understanding logic. And oh ! about not living with a man, dont worry, any reasonably intelligent man who has read this article of yours, would rather stay away from you, given that you are still living in a fairy tale in which there are no responsibilities ("The Daily Grind" as you mention). Do all of us a favor. Please dont mess up the seriousness of this issue with the biggest problem in your life .. which seems to be waiting for the water to be filtered.

The fact is that you are trivializing this debate over the domestic violence law. Forget about being compelling , your arguments are uncohesive and ill defined .. much like your article. However, the saddest part is that they lack sincerity.

Journalism is a very responsible profession and it is apparent that you need a lot of growing up to do before you can take on this responsibility.

Mr. Editor, If Telegraph wants to keep its reputation of a respected newspaper intact, please hire responsible journalists. I have posted this article on various journalism forums as a "fine example" of what goes in the name of journalism nowadays.

In any case, if you want a more serious debate on the domestic violence law, please visit the following links , http://savemarriages.wordpress.com
http://givemejustice.wordpress.com

Regards,
Nishant

PS - Chandrima, now dont you go and cry in the arms of the misguided women organizations and hopefully you will not file any false cases of violence (sexual or otherwise) against men around you, just because you are not happy with how your life has turned out !!

(Written by an individual fighting for gender equality)

#238
NYMOM
URL
November 5, 2006
12:41 AM

Well when you post on the internet which is a universal territory, so to speak, you have to expect people from other locales to comment.

AND I have no sons, only daughters. But guess what: I wouldn't want them marrying your sons if they have your entitled attitude.

Okay.

Just to let you know.


#239
Righta
URL
November 5, 2006
06:00 AM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-322617,curpg-2.cms

SUNDAY DEBATE: Is verbal abuse domestic violence? No. Read the full article at the link above

#240
Righta
URL
November 5, 2006
07:06 AM

1. Husband pegs a tent outside wife's house

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=76498

2. Home truth: Alleging harassment by wife, man stages dharna

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=207844

News Contents :

1. Husband pegs a tent outside wife's house

Husband pegs a tent outside wife's house
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Thursday, November 02, 2006 at 1950 hours IST

Phagwara, November 2: Allegedly tormented by his wife, a bank employee resorted a novel form of protest pegging a tent in front of his wife's house and saying he would continue to stay there till 'justice' was done to him.

Paramjit Singh Lamba placed a cot, chairs and other items of daily use in the tent and put up a banner saying 'Patni Peedat' (tormented by wife).
Lamba said that his wife Jatinder Kaur had assaulted him with an iron rod while he was asleep in his house in September last year. He alleged he had suffered grievous injuries and remained in hospital for many days then.
He charged his wife was not allowing him to enter in the house since September three last year.

"I had repeatedly knocked at the doors of police, given complaints to it but nothing had been done so far", rued Lamba.
"Even though the interim order of the court had said that both husband and wife could stay in the house, I was not allowed entry into the house by my wife and forced to live like a gypsy," he claimed.
"The women's wing of police here had also given a favourable decision", Lamba added.
Police said it could intervene in the matter only after it got a direct order from a court.
Though Jatinder was not available for comment, she had earlier alleged that it was her husband who was harassing her.

2. Home truth: Alleging harassment by wife, man stages dharna

Home truth: Alleging harassment by wife, man stages dharna

Express News Service

Jalandhar, November 2: More than a week after the Domestic Violence Act gave voice to women, a man alleging harassed by his wife, sat on a dharna in front of his house and is seeking help from police to enter his house.
Paramjit Singh Lamba, a bank officer with Punjab and Sindh Bank in Banga and a resident of Vishkarma Colony in Phagwara, today pegged a tent outside his house and sat on a dharna.


He said he got married in 1987 to Jatinder Kaur and his divorce petition is pending in the court for the last four years. He alleged that his wife was not allowing him to enter his own house despite the fact that the court has allowed him to live there.
He demanded police protection from his wife and also filed a complaint against her. Interestingly, his wife has also lodged a complaint with the women wing of the police.
Phagwara Assistant Superintendent of Police Sukhchain Singh said without any direction from the court police cannot interfere.
Meanwhile, in the evening, police went to the spot and uprooted his tent and asked him to not to create nuisance. SHO (City) Gurwinder Singh also visited the spot though the area comes under Sadar Police.

#241
Righta
URL
November 5, 2006
10:20 AM

Dear Friends,

I am please to blog this on behalf of this 17 Yr Old College going Girl, She Writes

I being a 21st Century Girl doesn't believe that India is a male dominated country because now-a-days abla's are sabla's I mean to say that today's generation women always want to get something which is new branded and which also has a status symbol that too sitting at home without earning anything. This whole pressure comes on the poor husband who has to listen to his parents, to his in-law, to his boss to his children's demand too. Irrespective of his demand he has to fulfill his family demand first.

If demand is not fulfilled by him then he has to listen to his wife's taunts, his children's frustration to face other problems too. Husbands also have only one person to whom they can talk i.e. to their wife, But dominating nature of wives make them more angry and violent due to which male remove their frustration in form of anger and violence. After that, the spouse or man's better half do the propaganda of their so called plight without thinking about their husband's mental status. Thus, adding fuel to fire. They do this with their sure shot and powerful weapon i.e. Tears. Some wives are so great that they directly go to the cops without thinking once about the consequences on their husbands and his family members, Due to which males like (Ram) have to suffer a lot.

This thought of mine can be explained with my personally witnessed experience some days back in my friend's case. She was genuinely eve teased by some notorious guys in her neighborhood. Her father came to know about this incidence and he called the cops. The guys were taken to question by the police. But to my surprise the police did not even question us at all!!! They took us on face value and the guys were bashed royally by police. And we were not even questioned at all. I could sense the loop hole that I hear many elder married guys stuck in divorce who talks about it, like the one in my neighborhood. Before which I had no whiff about the whole thing.

I asked the police if we could leave and he understood my gesture on face. And he said to us that "You are like our daughters and we have now to be extra cautious about our image too, especially after the rape cases"

And that is where after the NC was lodged I could make out that men are really really vulnerable and women is actually dominating men using men (police) and law to the maximum of their advantage.

No doubt my friends' grievance was genuine but the statement of the police and the treatment given to the accused at the face value of the whole matter made my conscience prick me to the extent of telling me that thank god I do not have a brother else he could have been victimized and would have been equally vulnerable to this attitude of the police.

"That keeps me pondering on the question that "Is India Really a Male Dominated Country???"


Sneha Kala.
XII Commerce, C-11.
Thakur College

#242
Sumanth
URL
November 5, 2006
10:28 AM

NYMOM,

Have you forgotten story of what actor Christian Slater's wife did to him? He got 20 stiches. And you are preaching here about virtues of women.

Do not worry. Looks like you are conveying the pathetic state of women in your country (ie. the enlightened MODERN United States of America). This Bullshit country is only 300 years old compared to 3000 years of Indian Civilisation which influenced China, Japan, Middle East, Ruled Far east for centuries.

I fully agree that the situation of women is pathetic in US, Europe and all developed countries including Taiwan and Japan in east.

Women in these Modern, Developed countries have to sleep with 500 Men before they can even think of getting married. Same way, Men sleep with 500 women before they get married. Many men and women do not marry at all.

Do not worry, Indian Libertarians and Male Chauvinistic pigs (supporting DV/VAWA Law) will bring Indian Women to that very state in just 2 years.

Just look, not even a single Indian woman is commenting in this post here. Because most Indian women do not want such a "prostitute for free" role for women in India. The Western feminists have screwed the Indian Women and whatever power they have.

India is progressing fast towards where many modern countries in east and west are. Premarital sex will increase 20 folds every year till all boys and girl start having casual sex from age of 15.

To Indian Women:
Welcome to the New World Order.

#243
V by SIF
URL
November 5, 2006
11:14 AM

Battles can be fought with shock-and-awe, blitzkrieg etc.

But one of the strategies used in modern warfare is to take on the
communications infrastructure of the enemy. Once, a portion of the
nervous system gets crippled, the enemy gets weakened considerably.

Many creatures including snakes use poison to cripple the prey's
nervous system.

Shock-and-awe can be used only when you have high degree of
superiority over the enemy. So, it will not work in our case.

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So, how to cripple the "feminist lobbies" which are holding onto our
continous onslaught for change in 498a and other family laws?
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1) There are about 5000 to 10,000 feminist intellectuals, writters
who run the inner core of the Feminist Lobby.

2) We need to locate and list them in our database.

3) Then, our specialised teams will engage them just the way we
engage feminists in blogosphere. One of our senior member can take on
10 such feminists in one go.

4) Feminist push themselves with hate and anger. Both these
attributes are like Gun-Powder. When subjected in controlled
quantities and focused, Gun Powder can do a lot of damage. But, if
enemy iginites the gun powder storage, the end will be shift.

Same way, we can use feminist anger/hatred against them by
provoking them continuously. This continuous provocation will disable
their creative faculties and they will start avoiding the feminist
topics.

5) So, we have to bombard these 5000-10000 feminist writters,
professors with mails, letters etc. When their theories are
challenged and provoked, these creatures will go blind with anger and
start making blunders in their literature.

6) We need to prepare Multilinguage pamplets and PDFs for
distribution. Our local chapters will distribute them in different
states.

7) We need to send 498a related CDs to all at least 2000 senior
feminists. This will greatly frustrated them and force them to get
defensive and then, they will start making blunders.

8) We need to distribute another 2000 CDs to Judges, politicians etc.


This entire operation spanning about "6 months" will cripple enemy
thought process.
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Get vaccinated by SIF---100% results and protection from women

#244
Hardy
November 5, 2006
01:52 PM

MYMOM says: First of all women everywhere have become dependent on men, not just in the aspect of husband's pay but in every aspect... ... since humanity first crawled out of the primal mists

WHAT SHE REALLY MEANS: Women have been parasites since ages and will continue to remain so. Men need to understand, bear and provide for such parasites. In any violence mental, verbal, emotional, the women have the sole exclusive unquestionable claim to wolf as victims, irrespective of who the actual perpetrator is and who is the actual cause for it.
But yes if the crime by women amounts to things like murder, mutilations then it becomes too grave and hence it can not be hushed up easily behind veils of public outcry and sympathy for females.

In that case let us produce distorted statistics and try to downplay and label such crimes as isolated incidents to save skin of women.

Women statistics in most cases are hyped by claiming unreported cases. What is actually means that all those cases where woman thought that she get can get enough support because she can be caught red handed, she withdraws in shell. Such withdrawing in shell is not acceptable to women organizations as it is a defeat of a woman even if it is trump of truth over falsehood.
They do not want such cases(a dare by woman to challenge others on false grounds) to go unaccounted and hence include them as unreported cases in their statistics.

#245
Sumanth
URL
November 5, 2006
03:43 PM

The feminazies supported by Male Chauvinistic pigs are now working towards another biased, misandrist anti-male law called "Harassment at workplace Act".

Please do not confuse it will "sexual harssment at workplace". It is just harassment at workplace law only meant for women.

Now, the bastards working to collect statistics will ask women questions like:

1) Did your boss ever called you when you were at your house?

2) Did he ever say, come lets go for coffee?

3) Did he ever said, she is an under performer and she needs to improve?

With such kind of questions, they will conclude, 70% of women face harassment at workplace at one time or other in their life.

What a bullshit, the same statistics will hold good for men as well.

If ridicule, name calling is domestic violoence (please read fine print on the law), then 90% of men also would have faced this "domestic violence" from their wives, mothers or sisters. Threat of suicide is also domestic violence. Does not women do that as well.

I know specific cases where a man was mentally tortured for years by his dominating, controlling sister. In another case, two boys were tortured for years by their grandmother. One of them was my friend and coworker. I know numerous cases where anti-male feminist mother brutally abuse their sons.

If men discuss domestic violence by women, then they are idiots, morons and sons of bitches. Only women have "wholesale free licence to bitch about real and imaginary."

Men will simply stop marrying. World is FLAT. Women in other developed countries are eager to sleep with Indian Men, while the Indian women keep flashing all the laws on the face of Men.

The corrupt police, judiciary and protection officers will make a mockery of the whole process. Just now, I saw a small kid serving food in a well known restaurent in Bangalore. What happened to the law passed recently? What is the women and child minister Renuka Chaudhury doing?

The real victims will get nothing because the real abusers will bribe the protection officers and get away. The female and her family who have right contacts and power will abuse the whole process of law.

One final outcome may be, the innocents who get harassed may take law into their hands.

Indian has become a Banana republic. They could have at least given a chance to husband to file at least a complaint (even if they do not punish the wife).

When, I went to police station when my in-laws ransacked my house, locked my door and went away, the police told me, "we can not believe a woman and her parents can harass a man. We can not take your complaint."

So, men must not go anywhere but serve a bitch. If they stay with the bitch, then it is a problem. If they leave her, then it is domestic violence.

Only CCD Cameras and audio recordings will do. The other way many can think is to take law into one's hands and fall on the bastards who are supporting these unscrupulous FEMINZIES and disgusting biased laws as path breaking.

Not a single women has ever been arrested for driving husbands to suicide. Every year, 22000 men are driven to suicide by their wives. Because, men are disposable.

#246
Righta
URL
November 5, 2006
11:47 PM

someone please tell me whether there is a provision for men to report(if so, how exactly this can be done by a man), and have recourse against, domestic violence directed against them by women folk(be it their wives, sisters or mothers- yes I know a man who was subjected to domestic violence by his mother from childhood to the time he could stand on his feet(and run for his sane mind and life), and that man is my father!.... so, I hope u all understand the authenticity limitations, and hence please don't ask for authentic and/or verifiable proof, I won't just be able to give that if u know what I mean)


So where do man run to when he its violated with oppression/harassment and violence at home/social spheres, where do we go?. Do u know, do u all really sincerely know an effective way to counter these offences by women!?

(for people with personal grouse against me, let me disclaim my availability for slander and personal insults, we have a social issue at hand and that's what we are trying to dissect and analyse for general good... thanks u all for your kind understanding and patience)

#247
Righta
URL
November 6, 2006
12:06 AM

Dear Ms. Sandhu,

This has reference to your article "Men new 'victims' of domestic violence" hosted at http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/artMailDisp.aspx?article=05_11_2006_001_016&typ=1&pub=47

I would like to express our sincere appriciation on behalf of SIFF, to your unbiased opinion.

We at SIFF are not exactly against a Law to Protect and Stop Women from being Ill-treated and Harassed be it at Home or Outside. All of us do respect WOMEN - and do acknowledge that there are many a cases of Ladies not being given their due dignity and respect. And would sincerely support the punishment of the Culprit.

What, we sincerely request is that there needs to be counter Laws with harsh punishments applicable incase of a false allegation purely with the intention of harassment, degradation and for financial gains. And these laws must be applicable to all parties including the Police who draft their verdict with no proper investigation, Lawyers who instigate for the same.

And that the Law and Order Machinery of the Republic of India which mainly includes the Politicians, Police, Lawyers and Judges rather than encouraging the misuse of these laws should encourage towards fixing up the problems if any, by force if needed. This would rather decrease the number of divorces in our country and also be benificial to the children of these broken marriages who are at most times the silent VICTIMS of a Divorce.

Are we doing Justice to these innocent victimised children, by instigating the use of these laws?

We talk and take pride of our Indian Sanskars and Parumparas - what would remain of these?

I do sincerely request you to bring to light the actual statestics of the Misuse of these laws to the actual cases.

Would the Indian Women protected by these laws have any effect getting Married and also getting hired for jobs - due to the fear instilled by these laws into the minds of the general public and the knowledge of their misuse and no protection against it?

Are these Laws actually intended to do Good or Bad to the Society especially the Women and Children in Particular?

Hoping that you would do the necessary, all the necessary survey and research information could be made made available to you for your perusal, in the case you need to refer.

Thanking you in anticipation
With Best Regards

Binoe Manuel(SIF Member)
B'lore

CC : To All our other Media Personality , to speek the truth , to speek
PS.: Request the other Media Personalities too to study and enlighten the Public and help.

#248
Righta
URL
November 6, 2006
12:32 AM

Hi Binoe and Other responsible citizens of Republic of India,

Binoe, I have posted this comment of yours at http://desicritics.org/2006/10/26/070855.php , where we are analysing DV Act incisively and with a view to bring out the best of this law for all Indian citizens.

So I would request all of the recipients to check out the above link at Desi Critics(one among India's best online collaborative Journal, general/techie wisdom stuff and New Portal). The discussion until now will give you what the interested commenters thinks about these Gender biased laws, and how people are suffering in this quagmire they have been wrongly pushed into by their oppressors.

They, the common man of India, wonders how the rulers of a 100 crore could make such shoddy, lopsided laws in full purview of the World at large!, its Shame, its a shame that intellectual India is producing such draconic and shameful laws which can effectively be misused by cruel, selfish, money-mongering girls and/or their advisors/folks!.

Save Indian Family supports law which alleviates Oppression and disadvantage to any human being, but we insist that this process of injustice alleviation be available to the Males of this country too..... we want Gender Equality in Law and our social Sphere, we desist Gender skewed legislation and societal perceptions.

We will fight till we win, we are here to stay

Warm Regards

P.R.Gokul
B.E(E.C.E), M.B.A, C.P.I.M
Director, Protect Indian Family, Mumbai (NGO working for Marital & Familial Harmony)
http://gokul.go.to
Tele/Fax : +91 22 25614188(Bombay, Res), +91 9821414336
24-hour All India Helpline Number:+91-9243473794
Volunteer Helpline Numbers(limited contact hours,send SMS if unavailable)
Delhi : 9871734980, 9810611534, 9911119113
Bangalore : 080 55334135, Jaipur : 9352562456
Mumbai : 9224335577, 9869323538, Calcutta: 033 25217318/25347398
See ongoing awareness campaigns: http://at498a.blogspot.com/

#249
Ajit
URL
November 6, 2006
12:34 AM

Generally spaeking, men are not against giving women their necessary rights. It is true that the Indian women has been treated quite badly at timen by the male dominated society and history is witness of this fact.
It is because of this overwhelming sympathy, that men have not criticised for the last three decades some of the blatantly twisted and female chauvinistic ideas mooted and implemented by feminists .
However, as the events are unfolding, feminists and women's organisations are wanting to bite more than they can chew which is leading to a male protest. It is time for our women's organisations to have a hard look at the reality and what they are preaching and it's repercussions

#250
Righta
URL
November 6, 2006
12:58 AM

Letter to President and other responsible citizens of our country(revised version)->

Hi Binoe and Other responsible citizens of Republic of India,

Binoe, I have posted this comment of yours at http://desicritics.org/2006/10/26/070855.php , where we are analysing DV Act incisively and with a view to bring out the best of this law for all Indian citizens.

So I would request all of the recipients to check out the above link at DesiCritics(one among India's best: online collaborative Journal, general/techie wisdom resources and New Portal). The discussion until now will give you what the interested commenters thinks about these Gender biased laws(like IPC 498a and Domestic Violence Act), and how people are suffering in this quagmire, into which they have been wrongly pushed/forced/trapped by their oppressors.

These acts of "Legal and Family Terrorism" is resulting in a National wastage and will definitely lead to a considerable(even monumental) loss of National wealth owing to loss of time and resources of young and productive Indian citizens who are pitted against Indian Judiciary for extended periods of time, with vexatious and oblique intent and motives on the part of the oppressors who should actually be termed as "Enemies of the State"(lets see some legislation addressing this treason against state, if we have political will, we would respect and be indebted you if we all are able to do this!).

At least there should be "fear of punishment" for lodging false complaints using these powerful laws which are instituted as safe-guards to genuinely suffering women, and these should not be toys in the hands of mindless amazons and such puerile or putrid minds of any gender/lobby.

They, the common man of India, wonders how the rulers of a 100 crore plus population, could make such shoddy, lopsided laws in full purview of the new age World at large!, its shame, ......its a shame that intellectual India is producing such draconic and shameful laws which can effectively be misused by cruel, selfish, money-mongering girls and/or their advisors/folks!.

Save Indian Family supports law which alleviates Oppression and disadvantage to any human being, but we insist that this process of injustice alleviation be available to the Males of this country too..... we want Gender Equality in Law and our social Sphere, we desist Gender skewed legislation and societal perceptions.

We will fight till we win it for Indian family, we are here to stay with our families :).

We will dream of building happy families and hence a greater Nation.

Warm Regards

P.R.Gokul
B.E(E.C.E), M.B.A, C.P.I.M
Director, Protect Indian Family, Mumbai (NGO working for Marital & Familial Harmony)
http://gokul.go.to
Tele/Fax : +91 22 25614188(Bombay, Res), +91 9821414336
24-hour All India Helpline Number:+91-9243473794
Volunteer Helpline Numbers(limited contact hours,send SMS if unavailable)
Delhi : 9871734980, 9810611534, 9911119113
Bangalore : 080 55334135, Jaipur : 9352562456
Mumbai : 9224335577, 9869323538, Calcutta: 033 25217318/25347398

See ongoing awareness campaigns: http://at498a.blogspot.com/

PS:If the weblinks are not working, you can copy&paste the link on to your browser.
Request the Media Personalities to study and enlighten the Public and help
CC : To All our other Media Personality , to speak the truth , to speak out without fear or bias!

#251
null
URL
November 6, 2006
01:36 AM

Who let the dugs out ...who let the dugs out....bow vow bow bow....

women women women women.....see what you have made out of the above.

#252
anil
URL
November 6, 2006
01:41 AM

and yes...MEN too. It is after all majority of the men who passed the bill and made it into an ACT in the parliament.

Kuddos to you all and now do us a favour.

Cancel the concept of bail in India or ban all people out on bail to use the internet

Throw them all in the darkest dungeons.

Anil (a brother --very active brother of a victim and a spy)

#253
Righta
URL
November 6, 2006
04:21 AM

Thou shalt not use un-parliamentary language hither
PM & President will be taking a tour of DC(Especially this article) soon :).....

So cut to chase, lets get jiggy with it

#254
Righta
URL
November 6, 2006
04:59 AM

Blog on DV: http://o3.indiatimes.com/presentindia/archive/2005/12/07/366241.aspx

Let's raise our voice the way we can and tell the world what v feel.

Do not just move around on the NET only ... raise your voice each and every where.

Read the specail coverage on ToI webiste on DV act at
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/specialcoverage/168047.cms

Request to all of u to poll on their(ToI) site:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/showpoll/msid-172048.cms

The Domestic Violence Act will empower women. :) really....... I mean it. It will also empower men in the process, thats the best part!

#255
Righta
URL
November 6, 2006
05:04 AM

Blog on DV(Featured on Times of India website:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/specialcoverage/168047.cms ): http://o3.indiatimes.com/presentindia/archive/2005/12/07/366241.aspx

************ The Blog reads like this************
Domestic Violence Bill
Domestic Violence Bill, which is more commonly called AK-47 for modern women has being pass in the Parliament by politicians on the recommendation of women's organisation who are fighting for women's rights. Rights ? ya whatever. It basically protects the rights of women whenever she is exposed to domestic violence, which includes the following : 1) Any kind of physical assault. 2) Any kind of mental harassment 3) Economic, sexual or emotional abuse. Now this needs to be understood much clearly from the practical perspective about its applicability. 1) Physical assault, well, we all agree that women are much more physically aggressive then men. Men most often refrain from misusing his physical strength especially when it comes to family. On the other hand, women turn extremely hostile when things doesn't work as per her wishes and she would even throw articles and break household objects. The scene is indeed difficult to watch because she out of rage trying to intimidate the family and letting them know that if others do not follow her instructions then she will get more violent. Therefore, more often women are the ones who are the perpetrators of physical assault. 2) Mental harassment. Please let me know if our scientists have managed to objectively quantify the mental harassment of a person. What I know is that mental harassment is highly subjective and relative. It depends on person to person and it is not qualified to compare it with somebody else. If you plan to meet your wife at a restaurant and you turn up 5 minutes late because of the traffic, will this amount to mental harassment ? Yes, it does amount to mental harassment IF your wife refuses to understand the situation. If your wife ask you to buy her a piece of jewelry and if you give her an excuse that you can't afford it, does it amount to mental harassment ? Yes, it does IF your wife wants to be inconsiderate towards you. There are "n" number of incidents happening on a daily basis which only to be rewarded with understanding and let-go attitude. Nobody can agree more that understanding and let-go attitude is the secret of a healthy marriage life. However, what would you do if your wife knows that there exist a law wherein she can accuse you of mental harassment and can send you to jail ? Well, I am pretty sure you would at least give a benefit of doubt to your wife saying that, "nah, I know my wife, she can't accuse me like this, we are having a nice married life, so why should I worry about this law." That is exactly most of the people who are being accused and imprisoned said that same thing what you are saying. 3) Economic, sexual and emotional abuse. Firstly, why would you abuse your wife economically ? I mean, if her desires for buying something important for the family or house, why would you refuse her ? You won't, right ? But if she is demanding something irrational like wanting you to give adhoc payments to her parents then you would certainly want to think twice. You surely respect her parents but not at the cost of your own financial condition. However, on this decision of yours, she has given so-called rights to accuse you of economic abuse. I know its hard to imagine something like this could happen but, yes, its true and it is happening these days. How could your wife accuse you of sexual abuse ? This is indeed hard to digest because if you are married to her then certainly you would also want to have a healthy sex life. Emotional abuse is yet again a relative term and can't be objectively quantified and cannot be presented as proof in the court of law. Even you could be emotionally abused by your wife when she ask you to kick your parents out of your house and if you don't do it, then you are accused of emotional abuse. Now this is a wonderful example. If you are forced to kick your parents out of the house, it isn't emotional abuse and if you don't, it is an emotional abuse to your wife. Wow, we must thank women's organisation to come with such a fantastic rule to ruin all possible scope of understanding between husband and wife. But, why would these women's organisation come up with such a disastrous rule within the marriage setup ? There is a reason. We all know that women issue is the hot topic of the decade and of course who will not want to gain some popularity by exaggerating any given situation. They pretty well know that their efforts will not be appreciated in rural areas so they try their luck in urban areas and big cities and guess what, they are getting what they are looking for. They would get all the non-sense stories from rural areas on how women are treated and would start a mass campaign in urban cities by using media. They will prepare a report and send it to the Government for approval and as usual the politicians would be too happy to know that they will surely receive their vote if they approve their recommendations. Who is the sufferer ? We people living in urban cities. I wonder how much more time it will take for men to understand their precarious situation in the society because of these women organisation and their ridiculous laws. I hope you have understood what Domestic Violence Bill means. It means you either live like a slave to your wife or go to jail. Now its your choice whether you want to sit relaxed till it happens to you or you do something. What can be done ? You first start talking about it with your friends, colleagues and relatives and persuade them not to tolerate this malpractice. I am sure you are convinced by now that Domestic Violence Bill is no way a solution to marital discord. Now its your choice what you want to do, tolerate or fight.
posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:53 PM

************ The Blog reads like this************


The Domestic Violence Act will empower women. :) really....... I mean it. It will also empower men in the process, thats the best part!.

#256
Righta
URL
November 6, 2006
05:09 AM

http://web.ncf.ca/ez771/ : Has a download PDF document (public Domain), entitled;"Pathologically Narcissistic Women and the Gender-Biased Criminal Harassment Law in Canada. That site also has a Canadian Charter Challenge to the Criminal Harassment Law, widely abused by police in Canada through "tunnel vision." See: http://web.ncf.ca/ez771/No264/Narcissism_Harassment_Law.pdf

Also see the various comments at the DV blog: http://o3.indiatimes.com/presentindia/archive/2005/12/07/366241.aspx

#257
Righta
URL
November 6, 2006
05:10 AM

Pls forward this to all Indians who believe in Family System.

= issued in public interest =

hello friends,

while india has great laws for oppressed women since 1983. but these laws offlate have been more misused than used.

while the guilty are effectively punished, these law also facilitates a women to falsely accused the parents-in-law for false dowry and mental torture. and attempt to physical torture. many innocents including pregnant sisters of husband and old parents have been arrested on false complaint of the daughter in law. no proofs required. no penalty for misuse of the law or lies.

to counter the false case threats and practices, the victims are coming together and forming a group on a global scale. they have also come up with self funded helplines. the victims are all law abiding from a very decent family with no criminal records but are caught or fear to be falsely implicated in false dowry cases like false 498a, and domestic violence.

if you come across any innocent family harassed by the daughter in law for vested interest you may pass on the following contacts:

www.saveindianfamily.org ; www.498a.org ; www.mynation.net

save our innocent parents and siblings from being jailed.

Delhi: 9911119113, 9810611534
Calcutta: 033-25347398 , 033-25217318 (Vineet Ruia)
Chandigarh: 9888562582
Bangalore: 80-55334135
Mumbai: 9870466318, 9224335577, 9869323538
Ahmedabad: 9898989884
Gujrat: 09825365816
Hyderabad: 09848280354
Jaipur: 09352562456
Nasik: 9371988132
United States (USA): 650-430-9544, 612-812-4340 (Avro, call between 9-12 EST))

Kind Regards,

Jinesh Zaveri(SIF Member)
Mumbai.

#258
Rajan
URL
November 6, 2006
11:54 AM

In Western nations, women are not supported by husband or anyone. It goes by give and take policy in marriage. In 2005 as per USA census it is said Marriage is getting extinct in USA.

do you think any man on the land of india will accept someone he is feeding can control him meaninglessly? by criminal terror fear. Marriage will 100% destroy in a year or 10 yrs, But certainly it will. I guess, outsiders of india is involved for this.

Those women, who are not thinking and running fastly behind feminist organisations are not thinking in a dimension calmly whether it really helps preserve our culture and soul.

These laws will be used sprucely by manipulative women largely. If any sita using it, her mind will be slowly spoiled by other bad women to misuse it and "umbrella of control" starts in her family. Marriage closes shortly.

How can a luv/trust/attachment relationship runs with police, using economic/emotional abuse without physical abuse?

In otherwords, we are getting pulled by western nations for their form of life style. no one is thinking about this.

un married women age grows and they will be more burdened like western women to manage herself or her father less(if) family. No man will come forward to marry her or to live with her in fear of 498a or DV act. what will be the fate of the country?

If you see urban women look healthy and ready for beauty contest, but even higher position men or a bureacrat look dry face, peechy personality or dull/pale structure. Am I wrong in not making this research properly? though we call india, male-dominated, it is never. These men are attached and running their families blindly with no expectation. Such highly position kinda men never take care of their women such way in any part of western life. This happens only in India. Now these men start thinking seriously. These men learn theri sons to stay away from urban women for marriages.

Laws when designed in bias to women should have been designed bias towards education and literacy as well. Govt must had designed DVact or
498a differently for educated women after 10th or intermediate atleast, so that misuse gets stopped and country would have flourished infrastructurally. Urban educated ill-women is as cruel as a urban educated ill-men. dont you agree? In that case, how do you agree to keep such laws in the hands of such women? dont you think such women crime increases in society and go unnoticed as there is no law for bad married women to get arrested.

I came to know about this after looking life in the west for several years. Western nations are male dominated but not India.

Infrastructure of India will further deteriorate because all significant thinkers loose balance of their mind to perfectly. 5% intellectuals responsible for 70% growth of the country, anyone thought about this. and this 5% disturbed for 5 to 20 yrs due to 498a or dv act!! what happens? present fate of country happened.

Because of blackmail, by-controll, implicit marital conflicts and years together fight inside courts JUST for finance distribution among couple. Bureacrats and intellectuals mind this way gets ruptured and can't contribute well or time for the infrastructure better for the country. Intellectuals continue to leave the country.

This is what you wanted DV or 498a in current form. if any innocent women is learnt about such laws, and one bad individual is enough to change their minds to control their husbands. That starts destruction of marriage and take a lot of time and resources of individuals.

Today india infrastrcutre is affected, I believe, strong reason is 498a. Many officials participate in corruption as they became imbalanced, selfish not thinking properly for the development of the country, just because their minds are affected for 5 to 15 yrs period in controlled, blackmailed marriage. you can't imagine what happens to brain or physiology of human when stressed for years together. That outcome is the present physic structure of men in India.

In future, just like in the west, women be it mother, sister will be fed by only brothers or fathers only. Concept of husband will die. If they get husbands, they get poor husbands, who are economically not well otherwise not. Just western life pervades all walks of life in India. Marriage will not happen (bcoz, boys parents learn boys not to, I learn my son to..i need his physical health and mental helath rather marriage life).

Many intellecutals(70% 498a cases) masters, phds, engineers, doctors are around courts for 5 yrs to 8 yrs to just become innocent after trials. Is this the way country using intellectual resources/proeprty for the country? is this what we wanted India to be?

There is chance for India only when dedicated, sacrifice women role is required. India doesn't afford feminism. It affords active role of BEST women for the development of the nation. Women who are in wonderful marriage and at the same time helping hands for the country flourish and not feminists.

I end up saying only one thing before western feminism takes its troll completely -

Good women ROLE is must for Indias growth and to preserve marriage value system and spiritual india. Pls. think calmly for a day or 2 and read western life and indian life difference, where it comes. I want my daughter to be part of this marriage system and not living outside marriage with multiple parterns in the name of liberation.

Once majority of Indian men are learnt not to provide/protect/feed his wife for no reciprocation/expectation from herside, that is westernization.

Do you think, a man who simply becomes a pet dog with economic/emotional violence usage by a urban controlling any women. I dont think so. Marriage will 100% break. BUT if the man is intelligent enough to become a beggar, what happens to the fate of that women in the current indian critcal/difficult economy, has any
one thought about it. She will be forced to enter into mal-profession for survival. Bad elements use her more and more. Is this feminism?

Such cases grow exponentially from year after year. Men stop marrying if not now, after 5 yrs. parents will no longer marry their boys. they learn them how to stay away and take care of themselves.

I disclaim all liabilities, these are my opinions & thoughts and experience for the help to other mankind preserving spiritual india.

#259
A silient active member
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November 7, 2006
02:14 AM

Dear friends ( especially Sakshi)

You all must know who Chandrima is by now. Her articles were posted all over the place on this site.

To have a clear read ...here it is.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp

Well well well , her fortitude was not too well digested by you know who??

She was bombarded with emails full of abuse in her inbox. I know it because I wrote to her an email explaining the miserable mental state of the above men who have been exposed by the DV and Dowry laws, thanks to their own deeds and the atrocities they have inflicted on their women (as alleged by their wives and admitted by them)

As usual she too was threatened with 'sue you with defamation' crap but it never will see the light of the day. We know their routine hollow threats.

NOW the lady Chandrima took a total turnaround and posted all the detestation emails she has received and also the emails with even the most ABUSIVE crude language strewn on her. We are all familiar with the S*F dirty uneducated language and words.

Her turnaround has thrown the men flying across to another planet hitting hard on their faces.

Please read her unperturbed and mirthful calm response to their despicable shameful emails and how wonderfully she has made a MOCKERY (but gracefully) of their words and abuse.

In a way humorous (I can actually hear her laughing ) . An amusing read to the core -her response.


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061107/asp/calcutta/story_6966070.asp



#260
Member
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November 7, 2006
02:19 AM

Mailbox of male hate
Flooded by abuse, Chandrima S. Bhattacharya knows what violence is, especially the sort "scared" men are capable of
SEX & THE CITY

I learnt a new word today to describe myself. It's "misandrist". It is the rarely used feminine equivalent of "misogynist", which means "woman-hater".

Now I could simply call myself a "man-hater", but that sounds so crude, bald, nasty, brutish and short, that it sounds exactly like a wife-beater. So I looked for a word of Latin origin and am hiding behind it for the time being.

But I can't escape my fate. Hate mail is pouring into my mailbox from men from every corner of the country, hurling the dreaded word at me. One of the men has threatened to sue me.

The reason: in my last column, I wondered why men are so scared by the Domestic Violence Act. I said that it is likely that the Act, though most welcome and well-intentioned, may not translate into women reporting the violence against them in far greater number.

"What are men scared of?" I had demanded loftily in the headline -- in case you want to quote me, because I am famous now after so much mail and can barely keep the sound bytes down.

The men were so angry. They seemed to have leapt at me straight out of the accompanying cartoon. I think it was the word "scared". They charged me with two things. They said I was one-sided, stupid and biased and was deliberately blind to the suffering of men at the hands of women.

They added that I was criminal in my tendency to avoid the issue of potential misuse of the Act by unscrupulous women just waiting to do unsuspecting men and their families in by lodging false charges, which would be assumed to be the truth by the judiciary under this Act, as they were under the Dowry Act.

I love the men in my life -- and I will immediately distance myself from the kind of women that the men warn me of. I agree absolutely there are "bad" women, terrible women, like there are terrible men. But I just want to say that the enormity of violence against women, and the many subtle, complex ways it happens and the ways in which women accept it make me wonder again how many more women will drag men to court armed with this Act.

And in the comparison between violence against men and violence against women, women win hands down. What is the ratio? 1:4,000? 1:2,000? 1:1,000? How many men in this country have been burnt by their wives or in-laws? And if any man can point out an Act that has not been misused, let him cast the first stone.

But what really made me scared -- and perplexed -- was the way the mails kept coming, jamming the mailbox, hurling abuse after abuse. I will present some excerpts. The authors reserve all rights to the spelling, syntax and meaning. (DV stands for domestic violence.)

Writes K**h Rudra (swa_):

"This is not a LAW at all, this is a AK 47 with out licence, when it will fire not only men, including women and child, whoever will come will be killed. First learn the bais of any LAW, then write. If you do not understand what is law, that does not consider that all will be fooled by your anti male articles."

I am learning, I am learning.

Says Gocool, (drmura):

"We are not talking bad about the genuine use of this (Act), but trying to shed light and the ample opportunities of misuse (have u ever read DV domestic violence Act, my dear Smiling Budda?)"

Who is the "Smiling Budda"? Me? Why?

Says Saurabh Ojha (saurabhko):

"You do not need to worry about the skewed sex ratio or domestic violence. Thanks to DV act which in the very short time will wake and shake up the society either positively or negatively. In both the cases Feminists are the winners. But its a good sign for young males who either won't marry or marry to Russian Girl's. They are far better than the current lot Indian girls. According to them, Indian Husband's are the BEST."

How do the Russian women know so much?

Says S**rup Sarkar (s**rup1973):

"Story of Kiranjit Ahluwalia (the UK-based woman who killed her husband after 10 years of inhuman torture and was acquitted) is just an Example. She like thousands of other Indian women in India and around the world is a Hard Core Criminal, who justify her crime and got scot free. But what makes Kiranjit stand-apart is that she found the Loope Whole deep within, which made her finally put an end to the Story and not give any socpe to her husabnd to say the truth."

Sure, I want to find the 'Loope Wholes' too -- they sound like just the thing a woman should be equipped with.


But two letters really hammered the point in. "She needs full dose...," says Manish Gupta (om), the three dots ominous.

Says S**rup (): "Need some dose this feminist bastered -- Terrosit Jurnalist."

At this point, the mailbox collapsed. But I think I know what violence is, especially the sort "scared" men are capable of. Next week, I will talk jharoo ponchha.






#261
Member
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November 7, 2006
02:28 AM

This has been my big day.

I am DONE being the side kick of the abusive dumb members of delhi group. But had to it for the sake of my sister. To get to the core of the group and its activities.

Fortunately for me (and most members will agree) that I was in Delhi and that lot is the easiest lot to tackle. Just to a little EGO massaging, some false story and encourage them in their bossgiri activities and you are in with no questions asked,

True they have harrassed many members but they still remain powerful and have in their own way ruined the image of S*F for good or a long time to come with their illiterate activities.

In other cities we have to put a couple of expensive pegs down their throat to get information but Delhi is the EASIEST. But at the same time it was torturous because had to stick around with FOOLS big time.

My work is done and soon you will see and feel how. WATCH OUT.

#262
Righta
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November 7, 2006
02:53 AM

Member, I am watching u, khel beta khel, aakhir is godh mein vapas aana pedega thereko, kya samjha.

Jadoo Tarka..... karo, aukath jo hein tumhara

Don ko pakadna mushkil hi nahin, namumkin hein, bachey mummy se doodh mangke pee, aur soja, thats good for ur health :)

#263
SocialActivist
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November 7, 2006
04:11 AM

PUNISH THE MAKERS OF THIS TALIBANI LAW

The Domestic Violence (DV) law is actually a talibani law, the only difference is that Taliban regime used such laws against their women, and here the DV law will be heavily misused against men in India due to its loopholes. It is loosely drafted law, which would work as AK47 in hands of terrorists and innocents will be its targets.

Those people who are responsible for making it shall be hold responsible for their ulterior motive to disintegrate the Indian society and for spreading and supporting gender based hatred and laws. They shall be tried in the courts and punished duly for justice and sensibility to prevail in our society.

PUNISH THE MAKERS OF THIS TALIBANI LAW TO SAVE MARRIAGES AND OUR 5000 YEARS OLD INDIAN CIVILIZATION, WHICH ARE UNDER THREAT DUE TO LEGAL TERRORISTS AND SOME WOMEN ORGANISATIONS INCLUDING THE NCW.

It is a fact of today, that all the laws that are made for protection of women like the dowry harassment law of sec. 498A of IPC, are misused by unscrupulous wives to blackmail family and husband for large amount of money, property, jewelry and other articles. In the same way, the new law of Domestic Violence Act will also be misused by modern educated wives to threaten and blackmail their in-laws and husband.

In India which is one of world's most corrupt country, the biased laws like sec. 498A and Domestic Violence Act are bound to be heavily misused by educated women with support of their parents against innocent families and husbands.

The problem of domestic violence is more in rural and economically backward community, than in urban homes. It is very unlikely that an educated husband from a well to do family comes home drunken to beats his wife daily or harasses his wife to demand dowry and money from her. It is usually found that all such types of complaints registered in police station are falsely fabricated by cruel wives with support of their parents and relatives who bribe and influence the officials. It is to take the sympathy of the biased laws to blackmail husbands and family.

The statistics of past 5 years show that how the law of 498A was increasingly used in cities like Delhi and Hyderabad, where most of the above said cases were filed by educated and well aware women.

DV act itself approves that the domestic violence is mostly done by men towards women and that it does not considers a situation in which vice versa would be happening.

At last, its a threat to the Indian culture and great civilization where marriage is at core and considered as a sacred institution, which will not be safe in the times of democratic and free India.

#264
Hardy
November 7, 2006
05:10 AM

With MCP's like "member" and the tongue of " A silient active member" the verbal abuse is held to shame. The abuse and hatred campaign unleashed by MCP's and feminists against men in general by projecitng them as liberals is the final effort by femenists to salvage their position.

The feminists like chandarma are hell bent to mask their own polished abuses about men under the mask of liberal journalism. Their days are counted and they are trying their last ditch effort to supress the voice from the other camp by misusing their journalism.

#265
Righta
URL
November 7, 2006
08:08 AM

Male abuse statistics

With Mrs. Renuka Choudhary, talking about overwhelming evidence and asking men to speak up, SIF wishes to present the statistics of male abuse. The male abuse mainly comes from emotional and legal abuse and sometimes even physical abuse by woman, in collusion with her natal family and friends.



Well also please note that even if statistics of male abuse is lower than women abuse, that is not reason to ignore the male community altogether. If one man is abused, and 100 women are abused, it is ridiculous to ignore that man, because he is a man. Please follow through the overwhelming data, Mrs. Renuka Choudhary and parliamentarians need to think about male abuse.



Look at the following statistics reported by Ministry of Home Affairs

No. suicides due to marital dispute in year 2004

(These are men and women who died in discord akin to domestic violence)

Male - 321 (42%)

Female - 441 (58%)



Suicides due to dowry dispute in year 2004

Male - 53 (2%)

Female - 2585 (98%)

Common reason for men to commit suicide are false complaints and lawful harassment due to stringent feminist laws. The number for females deaths include all unnatural female deaths within 7 years of marriage, which makes this number extra ordinarily high, because all female unnatural deaths for almost 10% female population (in age group of 20-30) are reported as dowry deaths.



With these statistics my head is spinning to find reason, why Domestic violence act is applicable only to men? Does the government want to bring the no. of suicides by men more than that of women?



No. of Dowry cases registered : 58319

No. of dowry cases not chargesheeted based on frivolous grounds : 10491 (18%)

No of dowry cases chargesheeted : 47828 (82%)

Convicted : 5739 (9.8%)

Acquitted (due to innocence, faulty investigation, false complaint, bad prosecution etc) : 24127 (41%)



For these 58319 registered cases, 134757 people underwent arrest under 498a & b and Dowry Prohibition Act.

Age wise distribution:

Below 18 years: 358 (0.2 %)

Above 60 years: 4744 (3.5 % )

between 18-60 : 129655 (96 %)

That is on average 2.3 people were arrested in every complaint of woman. There were 358 children and 4744 senior citizens arrested. Out of 129655 cases, approximately 18% were not chargesheeted, which means 23337 arrests of innocent people were caused only because these acts are non-bailable and cognizable, to handover power of arrest of man to woman through frivolous complaints. Does this not convince the government about viciousness revengeful attitute of women, that another act is pressed on society.



Is it not enough deterrent to government for drafting a balanced domestic violence act? Please also remember that the statistics vary more or less the same every year i.e. over 1,30,000/- people are legally tortured every year in India, for the sake of women's liberation. the number is going to increase 10 fold, with domestic violence act. Please note the note of World Health Organization on legal torture. (Document no. WHO/NMH/VIP/02.1, WHO/NMH/NPH/02.2 Title Missing Voices http://www.498a.org/legalTorture.htm )



The laws must be changed; it is not only in the interest of gross national happiness, but also in the interest of our future generation and women themselves. We must learn from the histories of family laws in other countries. The UK had similar legal system for women 30 years back. Today, the youngsters of UK, do not want to marry. Attempt to enforce morality in family system by such fear of law, will only cause destruction of this delicate system. (http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/07/28102739/27419)

(Source of this information is response to RTI application with reference no. 24013/20/2006-SC/ST-W, reported by Public information officer Sumita Mukherjee)



We do need a legal framework, where men and women are respected. But the current framework of Domestic Violence Act, seems to only frame the men and in the process destroy families. Mrs. Renuka Choudhary, please wake up to the fact that tommorrow's generation is not going to thank you but curse you for your Diwali gift to India.



The solution to what you are seeking is not what you have done through domestic violence act. We need a family framework, in which elder's have more say than judge, reconcilliations are attempted. Family members have better say in and also have chance to force union of family and also have opinion in the punishment for guilty within family sphere and law enforcement agencies help in promoting dialogue within family, rather than threatening men all the time.

Submitted by Anon.(SIF Member)

#266
UC
November 7, 2006
09:22 AM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/347817.cms

If men have a problem they should speak up? Mrs.
Renuka, are you sure you have been awake all these
days?

You cite official statistics of dowry and other kinds
of harassment to support anti-dowry laws and DV act in
their current form. Come to think of it, who has
collected this data? How have they collected it? And
who has checked their validity? Very often the number
of cases that are filed in police stations or courts
are the basis for the official statistics of dowry
harassment. So, if you make a law that gives women
unlimited scope to fabricate lies and get away with
perjury and if women keep filing false cases then the
statistics will always be on the rise. Then you can
argue more strongly in support of your own hypothesis
and the need for biased laws.

Please check court records and see how many thousands
of cases are rotting without trial for years under
section 498a...False cases that have been filed
against men AND WOMEN who are being tormented by the
police and courts as we speak. And when all these
victims of misuse of law get acquitted will those
statistics be publicized to support the introduction
of new laws that punish women who are abusing laws?

You want men to speak up? Men and women are not just
speaking up but crying out loud wherever they can but
the media and women like you have been unsuccessfully
trying to muffle them up. These voices will not die
down. They will continue to rise and echo until
injustice to Indian men and women in the name of
pro-women laws is elminated. You cannot fool everyone
forever, Mrs. Renuka.

#267
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November 7, 2006
10:35 AM

UC
In face of between a brother and sister let us see who WINS.

Some of your enemies are my best friends and in my pcoket. Your gender is ur liability.

I will sabotage anything for my sister. Have the guts comon to India anf t

#268
null
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November 7, 2006
12:12 PM

In its annual 'progress report' on human rights the US State
Department concluded that "numerous serious problems" remained
in India including "excessive use of force"

It also highlighted corruption in both the police and the administration,
saying that it was "endemic in the government and police forces, and
the government made little attempt to combat the problem, except for
a few instances highlighted by the media."

This is how the law-enforcing machinery normally works in India.
You approach police or their brokers and negotiate the price.
They will convert a civil case, and register into criminal case.
They will arrest the accused and produce him before magistrate.
The magistrate will immediately grant police custody,
without bothering about nature of case.
Now police will demand money, otherwise the accused will not get
bail.
The magistrate will grant bail only when public prosecutor gives
him signal that money has been received and it will be honourably
distributed.
There is Criminal +Police+Judicial nexus for Extortion

In extradition proceedings at London court; India's best
known supreme court lawyer appearing for the accused said:
"Indian Police are the most corrupt,
dishonest, vicious and murderous
in the world"
The plea was accepted by the honourable court.
Indian Police is the most corrupt and criminal biggest
Uniformed organisation in the world is well known.
When we have such a system, how can there be Justice?

Secondly If Indian Government desires respect for the laws
they must first make the laws respectable.
For example some of the problems with the section 498A
of IPC are as under:

1. It rewards frauds and cheats for using the law.

2. It makes the accuser the prosecutor, the judge
and the jury all rolled into one.

3. It makes all the families subject to destruction
on the whims and fancies of criminals
(girl and her families who want to get rich).

4. It has no safeguards for the innocent.

5. It facilitates elder and child abuse by the
accusers without any fear of punishment.

6. It lays down no automatic punishments for the
UN-scrupulous accuser(s), even after it is
proved that the accused persons were innocent
and the complaints were fraudulent.

7. It enables violation of the privacy, sanctity
and the dignity of the innocent families, and
throws the very existence of Indian families to
the vultures in the police force, criminals in
the society and at the mercy of the lawyers and
the inefficiencies of the court system in India.

8. It provides monetary inducements for corruption,
falsehoods, revenge, blackmail and extortion;
therefore an invitation to the increasing crimes
in India.

9. It is a monster and menace, created by the
law; and does not belong in any civilised and
democratic society as it smells like fascism.

10. The guilty who make frivolous and scandalous
complaints or start false prosecutions get off
Scott free at the cost and expense of the public
exchequer
Only fascist dictatorships and enemies of the society create
laws that destroys the very society they claim to protect..

Feminists laws legislated during the past two decades
have unleashed a New Legal Terrorism, and they are also
responsible for Rape of Indian Legal System as well as
Indian Culture including Social order.Supreme court has
said in recent judgement that provisions in feminists laws
are often being misused to settle personal scores.These
laws are no License to settle scores,or blackmail for Extortion;
merely because the provisions are legal.These laws does not
give a licence to unscrupulous persons to wreak personal
vendetta or unleash harassment by lodging frivolous complaints
and allegations. The provisions in women's laws are intended to
be used as a shield not an assassin weapon. Government need
to reflect whether the laws have reached a stage where the pendulum
has swung to the other extreme, whether it has become a tool for
corruption,obstruction, delay, harassment blackmail and extortion.

Indian legal system has completely and miserably
failed to protect innocent persons.
Many instances have come to light where the
complaints are not bonafide and have been filed
with an oblique motives with the collusion of
corrupt law enforcing machinery.

The acquittal does not wipe out the ignominy
suffered during and prior to trial by the innocent
accused family who were all arrested without bail
and jailed without committing any offence.

The Judicial system must strongly deal with
frivolous complaints and prosecutions by
unscrupulous corrupt law enforcers; for
wasting court's precious time and putting financial
burden on public exchequer. The costs should be
recovered from guilty and the victim should be
compensated.

Preventing the miscarriage of justice, is just as much
the work of the Courts, as it is their work to uphold the
law of the land.

Perjury ( a statement that is false, made under oath)
destroys the very foundations of the legal process as
perversion of the truth is a 'crime against justice'.
False statements, retracted statements, and witnesses
turning "hostile" has been growing at our judicial system .
It is about time that the Courts put to use sanction and
sentence "perjurers" as offenders, for their culpability.
Their attempts to usurp and mock the authority of the Courts,
the legal process, the rule of law, and the law of the land, have
to be thwarted for in doing so they are aiding and abetting the
miscarriage of Justice.

Unless Cry "Wolf" too often as a prank by
feminists is stop-ed and unless unscrupulous persons
including corrupt government machinery are properly and
severely dealt with ; The Rape of Indian legal system and
Indian society by UN-social elements will continue.

The present Domestic Violence bill will most
certainly be useful for the urban woman in an
adulterous relationship because if caught, she
can accuse her husband/his parental family of
domestic violence, have them jailed while she
takes over all their assets.

The marriage is becoming a very dangerous
commodity for vulnerable middle class families.
The marriage and subsequent discord between
the spouses has become a more serious crime for
husband, than committing rape or murder in which
heinous crime at least entire family is not arrested
and jailed, without proof or investigation. Most joint
middle class families are greatly suffering from the
curses and horrors of these barbarian laws.

The amendment to the Evidence Act was made,which
effected, shifting the burden of proof of innocence to the
accused, much against normal criminal jurisprudence.
Section 498A became part of the Criminal Law Act on
25 December 1983.
Therefore according to normal criminal jurisprudence,the
prosecution under section 498A is not only immoral and
against internationally accepted law but also smells of
fascist regime in India.
The prosecution of the accused under 498A is nothing
but sending a soldier to the battlefield with both his hands
chopped off.

The social laws have never succeeded in India.
On the contrary they have led to runaway corruption.
These social laws are goldmines for law enforcers for
making illegitimate money and the vote bank for politicians.
The unholy criminal-police-judicial-political nexus begins
and is sustained on the back of these social laws
It is only common people that suffers because of the climate
of criminality that survives in Indian system.

There are hundreds of false cases going on in India against
overseas Indians specially against USA , Canadian and UK
citizens with the motive being blackmail and extortion of
Dollars as alimony in settlement of divorce.

Despite the presence of so many Indian-American women's
organisations, pro-women US laws,an excellent legal system
and Strong police force to protect women; Why then un-scrupulous
Indian women, who are married to US citizens and residents of Indian
origin are going to India to file criminal cases under section498A
of Indian Penal Code against their husbands and his parents?
Why these un-scrupulous women are over-riding the US System,
and misusing Indian corrupt, notorious and in-efficient Judicial system
without any Jurisdiction?
The answer is very simple
1. "IPC 498A of Indian Law is an easy weapon
to purchase and use by the criminal, vindictive
and abusive Indian wife / daughter-in-law, with
which the husband and his entire parental family
as well as friends can be harassed, Jailed and
subjected to blackmail and extortion.
2. The US legal system and police force investigates
in details all the accusations and find the Truth.
If the woman is found to be lying, she is being dealt
with and punished.

There are hundreds of innocent NRI's in USA alone who are suffering
from blackmail, extortion and humiliation at the hands of the unscrupulous spouses for the SIN of marrying Indian girl.The old parents of NRI's in India
are jailed . NRI'S can not return without being arrested and jailed.in spite
of sufficient proof of innocence.

The problem is so serious that US state department has issued
Advisory to US citizens of Indian Origin warning as under:
A number of U.S. citizen men who have come to India to marry
Indian nationals have been arrested and charged with crime related
to dowry extraction.
Many of the charges stem from the U.S.citizen's inability to provide
an immigrant visa for the prospective spouse to travel immediately
to the united states.
The courts sometimes order the U.S.citizen to pay large sums of
money to his spouse in exchange for the dismissal of charges

Canadian Government has also issued following advisory:
Growing numbers of Canadian citizens have been caught up
in marital fraud and dowry abuse in India. Most cases involve
Indo-Canadian males who abandon their wives in India after
cheating them out of large sums of money. Other cases
involve misuse of Indians Dowry Prohibition Act. This law,
which was enacted to protect women and makes demanding
a dowry a crime, is sometimes used to blackmail men through
false allegations of dowry extortion. Individuals facing charges
may be forced to remain in India until their cases have been
settled or pay off their spouses in exchange for the dismissal
of charges.
To avoid such problems, you are advised to register your marriage
in India along with a joint declaration of gifts exchanged, as well as
consider a prenuptial agreement.

#269
null
URL
November 7, 2006
12:19 PM

Going to Police station does not solve the family problems or save the marriage. Fools will never cease to be stupid. They will try to interpret everything as a fools paradise. It is sickening height of stupidity to use Domestic Violence Act to endanger tranquillity and domestic Harmony.

This Act will only be misused for blackmail and revenge, resulting in breaking of joint families. Only un-scrupulous girls and women without any self respect will go to Police station to settle the scores with family, relatives and friends.

This legislation is totally sexist and discriminatory. This will mean that men will now have to bear the brunt of female hostility. The judiciary is supposed to be neutral. If it parts with the woman, then it loses its credibility and trust-worthiness. This makes it all the more easier for women to frame men in all types of gender related criminal cases.

Problems of adjustment in family or in marriage are highly private and personal matters between family members or husband and wife, where no third party has any role whatsoever. All issues of any kind between them has to be resolved by them without the any interference from any external agency. Police or judiciary has no role till it takes a violent form and creates a law and order problem. Let us not encourage police or judiciary to enter the homes and bedroom of citizens, failing which India will turn into Police state.

Filing of complaint with Police is the first step to legally break the family or matrimonial relationship without any chance of repair. Woman is dead as a sister, daughter, dependent or wife, the day she enters the police station to settle the scores. Police is a temprary solution.

Police help is the maximum Intended, wish-full and over-estimated power felt by her, under the law, to destroy her adversery husband and the family. She feels that, with weapon of Domestic Violence Act and section 498A on her side, she is much stronger than her husband and/or parent's family. She cannot do anything more legally or otherwise, but ends up in bargain, and she becomes unworthy to be part of the family, relatives and friends. The end results after trials in courts lasting for several years have shown that only few cases of crime against women have achieved the objectives and desired results. In most cases accused get scot free.

Misuse of section 498A showing dowry as reasons for the dispute has become common because this law; is an easy weapon to use by the criminal, vindictive and abusive Indian wife/ daughter-in- law and her parents, with which the husband and his entire parental family as well as friends can be harassed, jailed, and are subjected to maximum extortion and blackmail at the initial level. Subsequently after court trial, the misuse of law is established in 98 percent cases.

The correct answer is the "Counselling" and" Divorce" in case of husband/wife discord. Social support centers, Mass awareness is reguired and not the gender devide. Why not make divorce laws simple, as simple as they are in US, UK, Canada and other parts of civilised and modern world? The fact is that, even two unwilling animals cannot stay together without violence. Some families who got their daughters married to NRIs with great expectations appears to be victims of their own greed and miscalculations. Bad apples are always there in both sexes. The cheques and transactions bounce in business every day in large numbers, that does not mean that all businesses are Cheats. However the misfortunes and miseries are the part and parcel of life, which cannot be avoided.

#270
UC
URL
November 7, 2006
01:00 PM

Null , I AM a sister of a brother. And I don't care whose enemies are in whose pockets. We will not stop fighting for justice. And null, who are YOU to challenge me to come to India. It's my country, my home and I can't wait to come and fight my battles.

This is not a gender war. This is a battle against injustice being done to many mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters.

#271
null
URL
November 7, 2006
01:22 PM

Oh sure...carry on with your geeks. [EDITED] After stamping on everyones chest in delhi and others yo think we will let u go u fool.
[EDITED]

How much time u and ur geeks need.

#272
null
URL
November 7, 2006
01:23 PM

[EDITED - VAGUE THREATS]

#273
Hardy
November 7, 2006
02:27 PM

What is this confusion between "null" and "UC"? Are there two "null"s here.

#274
Sreedharan Paritreyan
November 7, 2006
09:55 PM

PLS. SPREAD THIS INFORMATION TO KNOWN PPL --TO PROTECT JUSTICE IN INDIA FROM EVIL ELEMENTS OR OTHERWISE JUSTICE WILL TOTALLY STOP TO PROTECT US. Dharmo Rakshati RakshitaH.


For awareness:

IPC 498a section has been directly affecting the infrastructure & growth of the country for the last 2+ decades.

Definition:
Section 498 (A) of the Indian Penal Code makes it mandatory for police to book (no-bail) husband and his parents and other relatives/friends whoever being named on a (oral/written) complaint by wife or her close relatives and jail them.

Many men know they are suffering, BUT many do not know why POLICE take action that STRINGENTLY when a wife complains.

This FIR creates a stigma naming an individual as a DOWRY seeker and this law as 'DOWRY law' but FIR stats shows >92% cases filed under this section are related to mental harrassment on a wife by her husband.

Many intellectuals(bureacrats) have been loosing their confidence, balance-thoughts, stability due to this section involving in their personal lives, affecting wiser thoughts for the development of the country. Infact, this suffering brought them to think more selfishly/unbalanced. These are the men who build/forms the civilized society. The current fate of Indias infrastructure is VERY MUCH related to this IPC 48a catastophe.


Most of the cases involve threatening or suppressing husbands by calling them to women police stations, regardless of whether a marital problem is due to economical / social / greedy reasons etc., Many husbands have been suffering due to this in India for several years. But majority remains calm. Husbands suffering subtly due to this section, by nature (due to social reasons.

whole game lies in demanding control (specialy finance) on husband's family from wife's family.

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To Creator of this Section/Govt/Judiciary:

Women are regularly using this section either by threat or legal to demand control on marital life on husbands family. By national statistics -- IPC 498a got only 2% convictions by courts every yr in the last 2 decades. That means atleast 60%+ cases (35% out of court settlements) men are wasting their career around roaming indian courts for nothing. how dangerously creator of this law exploiting resource of the young men of India!?

One such husband srivastava says -"when I found my wife is BAD at character, I sent her back to her parents to file divorce, automatically this section got used upon me.
Police came and arrest me & everyone in my family. My parents are in jail for 3 days and myself 18 days. It costed 2 lakhs to get bail(police can't give bail, got to get from magistrate only). Now it took us 5 yrs and 4 mnths to come out as innocent from this case. I wasted my career span of 6 yrs due to this section."

Srivastava also questions "First of all why me & my parents arrested and put in jail for so many days when we were INNOCENT. And arrested when my wife didn't even stay with us in my apt and my parents dont even stay with my wife".

whatever happened to srivastava, is happening with NOT 1000s but LAKHS of husbands in India for the last 2 decades.


Can the creator of this law answer this? does he/they take responsibility? who sues them for this GRAVE mistake of introducing such a MEANINGLESS LAW into the society presuming WOMEN are GOOD and MEN are BAD. why they go free?

Other scholarly husband karthikeyan says from USA -
"IPC 498a DIRTILY stands in between my career and my sons upbringing. I separated after 4 yrs of marriage, as it was costing my HEALTH/DEPRESSION. If IPC498a wouldn't have been there, I would simply go to India and fight for my SON custody/visitation rights at family courts(civil case). My son needs my moral support".

He also says -
"If I go now when 498a exists in India, either I will have to sacrifice my 6 to 8 yrs of my career/future around Indian criminal courts or go for a police/judicial-nexus compromise family-deal to continue with my evil wife, which would end me up having diabetes/BP/depression/suicide. Now my son is without his father there in India."


The creator of this law MUST answer such lakhs of husbands similar questions, loosing several years of their career for other persons mistake.

This law makes assumption that daughter-in-law "women" ONLY suffers and men or his parents NEVER. Suspect is presumed AUTOMATICALLY GUILTY until proven in courts. This section in 82% cases is filed when women do not stay at her husbands place. There is no PERJURY ever used for false IPC 498a complaints in India (99%).

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About feminist organisations:

Any change in IPC 498a is STRONGLY dependent on these organisations. Most members of this organisations are either un-married or divorced individuals who aren't well expertized in marital complexities emotionally involved with children.

Last year, when a supreme court judge warned against IPC498a consequences on our culture (as legal-terrorism). Many women organisations members broke the furniture inside the court. Organisations also warned that, they can put up 5lakhs women on Indian roads, if anyone touches 498a.


Most laws in India related to matrimony/divorce/women are being designed by these groups either directly or indirectly and NOT by social-engineers/specialists.

Why media behaves UTTERLY different when it comes to women, considering men as purely disposable.?


Other thoughts!!

Statistics go with FIRs filed at Indian police stations (not by court judgement). Govt/media are relying on this section statistics to decide on "crime/harrassment against women". 80% of criminal cases filed against women are IPC 498a, interestingly after marriage. No body is taking time to research on this in fear/selfish interests. Last year alone AndhraPrdsh got 8000 cases filed with 498a. That shows political non-thinkers, think blindly that crime against women due to harrassment/cruelty is raising every year.

This increase # crime against women (FIRs) is being used by several organisations (fund-for-selfish reasons) to report to the International FUNDING organisations for funding India for women welfare. I believe international Funds in million ($), political reasons, and women orgs-fear on Govt - is strongly responsible for the SURVIVAL of this stupid section IPC 498a in India.

This no doubt raises further catastrophe and encourages development of mitigated / weak bureacratic minds in Indian society.

www.498a.org
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Disclaimer: This is entirely my opinion only, and there is no attempt to cloud anyone's judgement or manipulate perceptions in anyway, and statistics taken from indiastat.com, frontline. names changed.

498a.org/contents/Publicity/ 498aResearchReport.pdf

#275
Righta
URL
November 8, 2006
12:25 AM

Hardy , "null" who talks and tries to spit fire, but who ends up with only hot dry air coming out, is the same Member/(assuming the of a real member of SIF!)[Baseless Postulations,] hope Aman and censors of DC, goes easy on this, since we need to understand how a sick mind works, as I about to attempt and narrate). There may be other "nulls" since DC pages don't seem to remember commentators' names when they return later, anymore.

First of all this a sick mind, who has nothing left in her life, after victimising her husband with false 498a and the associated cocktail of accusations under potent (but usual and hackneyed) sections of IPC!(after the couple of years of their college love saga) and his family. Now since the husband and folks have got bail and is taking it easy and moreover fighting for their rights, honour and dignity, she is insecure as hell, its like her purpose of living has gotten depleted, and her nervous energy is getting hyper, and is getting spewed all over DC and forums where she can get away with her verbal diarrhea.

Whenever u see a lull in her stupid empty threats, understand that she is really sick enough and not being able to face the day lights too, this condition in her may have been provoked by a mild attack on her ego, by someone, somewhere.

So u all now know how to put this sick sister to rest, even its for a couple of days- yes, pick on her petty, putrid, albeit puerile ego. And our [Edited], so now u know, u act as mentioned above whenever u feel its needed, that's it. That's all about Pooo and her antics, and the perpetual and sad vanity of her life.

This is the plight of all false 498a/DV misusing girls, so this story should be an eye-opener to any girl/her advisors, who wants to try and misuse our laws concerning families hoping that they will get what they want out of a seemingly helpless huband(& folks; money, control, or whatever their vested interests may be). Girls please note the sad and silly plight of [Edited].....haa?

Now lets get on with some meaningful discussions now :)

#276
null
URL
November 8, 2006
02:19 AM

Hardy boy
I dont know who u are ? Ah...as I said I am the brother of one victim. maybe u and i met but maybe not. Let us meet now HI.
obvioulsy in your language i am the ravana but who cares.
Mens rights , sure I want them too but in a balanced approach not at the cost where my sister is victimised and the criminal is enjoying freedom.

And Righta oh yes you are watching me sure , watch na, maybe we are wtching the same person who has nothign to do with it. Enjoy the hot air and keep guessing. We all know how amny several intruders we have.

#277
Righta
URL
November 8, 2006
02:51 AM

"Null", so u are feeling the "need" to keep "several intruders" in SIF!, aren't u giving us to much importance urselves?. I know we are getting undeniable & unfathomable attention now a days, and people are sitting up to take notice of our force and goals, but I didn't expect u too be so naive enough to admit this urselves.

Anyway drink milk, hope that helps either to improve ur IQ or to contribute to the GDP of India.

Really Null, we don't need so much of attention, we will achieve our goals even without u guys treating us with such importance, please. Perhaps u can take a chill-pill for a start, and do some thing productive for ur family(and the so called victim-sister, who exists in ur delusional slumber world!).

Chullu bar paani mein doob ja.... that song keeps coming back to me when I read ur comments posted in various names, owing to ur weak spinal chords(reed ke haddi, right?).

Ok one challenge, u know my name(my wife's name too) my phone numbers and every possible detail(see my earlier comments if u haven't noticed all this yet, amidst ur pathetic drivel and mental equilibrium(or the lack of it!)), which u need to know to try and sabotage our activities.

That is....if u still insist to stay pathetically "unemployed", please do try and make us more famous by ur meek attempts of subversion, empty rhetoric and hot-air blowing, ok buddy.

Have milk anyway ;).. Winnie Pooj... aa?, and ask mommy what happened to Rip Van Winkle(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Van_Winkle) when he finally got up from his slumber after umpteen years

#278
From the TOI
URL
November 8, 2006
03:20 AM

KOLKATA: So many men are crowding a special West Bengal police cell set up to handle cases of violence against women that a senior police officer has mooted a new cell to help men battered by their wives.

The surge of men at the women's grievance cell of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) in Bhavani Bhawan here is an absolutely new trend, according to media reports. "More and more men are lodging complaints of torture against their wives. We have received a large number of such complaints over the past few months. Since ours is a women's grievance cell, we cannot do anything about the cases" Deputy Superintendent of Police, Neelu Sherpa, who heads the cell, told English daily.

But the cell is counselling women against whom charges of mental or physical torture have been levelled by their bruised and battered husbands.

In the last nine months, nearly 200 husbands have lodged complaints of assault, mental and physical torture against their wives, according to official statistics.

"We called several women against whom complaints had been lodged to the centre. Most of them are educated and wanted to instil fear in the men. We told the women that they are violating the law. The counsellors tried to mend the marriages", said a CID officer.

Sherpa says that 60 to 70 per cent of the torture complaints by wives against husbands turn out to be baseless. "In most cases, women lodge complaints only to harass their husbands."

Often, both parties are at fault. "We call them to our centre and try to sort out their differences. In some cases, women lodge complaints of domestic violence under Section 498A, which is a non-bailable offence", she added.

P. Ravi, Deputy Inspector-General of Police, added: "Wives are increasingly misusing the law to teach their husbands a lesson. This is very unfair."

With the number of battered husbands on the rise, Ravi has mooted the idea of a separate cell for men

Regards
From one of the sufferers of women biased laws of India

#279
From the TOI
URL
November 8, 2006
03:22 AM

Hi, it is indeed very encouraging to see these new law come up for the oppressed women. It is very good if enforced fairly, it will be a boon to the society. However, I am witnessing the marriage of a male friend. The wife, who comes from a highly-influential family, is not ready to adjust to his family. The man is 30 and the woman in 27. The two of them clearly have compatibility issues. The man seems to feel that they should go for marriage counselling and if that does not work, take the route of an amicable divorce. However, I can see the woman and her family literally trying to arm twist the man into living on with a rotten marriage. They are ready to go down to the level of threatening the man of booking him under the dowry law etc. I have heard the woman threatens him saying "I will ruin your family". The family of my friend is very decent and honest. Now my question is what kind of lopsided law is this? How can a law that blindly places an extremely dangerous tool in the hand of one party be called fair? A law should always have a counter-balancing element. I have a seven year old son, and I fear to raise him and get him married in India. Being a woman, I am very much for women empowerment, but please, let us not lose sight of reality. Women can be vindictive too. As they say, a thousand correct judgements cannot correct a wrong one. On the same lines, saving a thousand women, no matter how noble, can never justify wrongfully crucifying even a single innocent man. My only point, make the necessary checks and balances.

Appu
Bangalore

#280
vpidaparthi
November 8, 2006
03:25 AM

Post from a MAN..... "what is this thing called Police department and law and order? protection from thieves, robbers and murderers???? aren't there cases where ordinary men grabbed knives/guns from the so-called innocent murderers and killed them? What can you say about them? why should be criminals be punished? aren't all human beings equal? What if someone blackmails someone else saying he stole money from him? This whole concept of law and order should be abolished" ........

My response:YOU MEN! law is there to protect the vulnerable among people! and that is what it is supposed to do always!!!!

#281
Righta
URL
November 8, 2006
04:09 AM

Vpidaparthi, aren't men vulnerable?, if yes, where do we run to?.... ha..... u man?.

Why laws for only protecting one gender, when both genders can be victimsed, why no laws to protect the male gender?. Why?, think.......

Thunk?.... now u write, don't write before thinking, not at all, u man!.

on Behalf of "U Men"

#282
vpidaparthi
November 8, 2006
05:26 AM

it says it all

#283
vpidaparthi
November 8, 2006
05:27 AM

it says it all

#284
Neha
URL
November 8, 2006
09:56 AM

Vpidaparthi

He is asking you why no laws to protect them???? Poor chap.

Sit here on the internet, keep yourself entertained with nothing to do, jobless and mindless activities, calling your self so called victims and sure enough we will have more laws in our favour. COZ WE WORK HARD.

#285
vpidaparthi
November 8, 2006
11:09 AM

Neha
I could not understand a single word in your post..... anyway, stop using my name in senseless posts...... I not only work but do more for the society outside as well as write..... Can you believe if I tell you my book has been published that is going to be sold in leading bookstores all over the world in a week's time?..... Are these forums there to bring cultured sensible and senseless brainless people together?
I am going to ignore this nonsensical personal attacks from now onwards.

#286
Righta
URL
November 8, 2006
12:55 PM

Budda/buddi smiling.....

#287
Neha
URL
November 8, 2006
01:08 PM

Neha smirking from ear to ear at the helpless state of the dis-illusionary self-made victims.

#288
Hardy
November 8, 2006
04:31 PM

Moderators should perhaps look into marking posts as "closed" after some time iterations.

#289
Aaman
URL
November 8, 2006
08:26 PM

What to do - our readers have so much to say.

#290
From rediff
URL
November 8, 2006
09:30 PM

For a long time, women in India and other countries were relegated to second class citizenship, among the rights denied to them were the right to education and suffrage.

Laws like the DV Act and the 498A Dowry Act have helped reverse this inequality. Welcome to the age when men are second class citizens, dispensable like toothbrushes. I wonder if any of your editors is aware of organizations such as Fathers for Justice, that highlight the plight of men at the receiving end. F4J is an organization that fights for men who have been denied contact with their own children.

Are men not human? Don't any of you know a man subjected to mental torture by his wife? Don't women commit adultery? Don't women lie? It's only when reality hits home will you wake up and smell the coffee!!

There are no end of false cases registered in India under 498A and countless families suffer from its Draconian measures. FYI, 98% of the 498A cases end in acquittal after a long winding legal process. How the legislators decided that women are beyond lying and fabrication is beyond me. But if we keep electing bumpkins and criminals to office, we deserve stupid laws like these. God save India!

#291
From rediff
URL
November 8, 2006
09:40 PM

The domestic violence law enforced thus far will create panic in male mind and which would deter them from marrying a lady. Yes, the perspective of the law is worth eulogising, but the extent of abuse of the same can not be ruled out. It can be very well utilised by some women who are given to destroying the core concept of a family. The law itself is unidirectional. It can be used by only one side. The other side is completely overlooked, even if she is a female, and forbidden from using the same. So, just only for a trifle reason, women with malicious mindset can take advantage of the same with tremendous effect. So, the remedial measures also should be sought by the Govt. so that only it would be beneficial for innocent women.

#292
From rediff
URL
November 8, 2006
09:42 PM

I have a growing concern about laws to protect a man's dignity.

There are laws to protect tortured wives and now we have a law to protect women from any forms of domestic violence. Now, these laws are very inportant to implement to protect women's rights. But what about laws to protect a man from domestic violence? Do we think in modern India only women are victims such violence? If yes, then I think we are not keeping up with modern India.

These concerns are no longer a joke, but a harsh reality.

#293
From rediff
URL
November 8, 2006
09:47 PM

It seems that the new law is inspired by the Domestic Violence laws of other nations. But the author has missed some vital points.
I. Shortcomings of the law -
1. The law does not recognize the rights of domestically victimized males, children and females if the respondent is another female. This is not so under the DVA of other countries, where every individual is provided equal protection and rights, whether male, female or children. In this respect, the Indian law is inequitable and incomplete.
2. The law refers to emotional and psychological violence which is immeasurable and can be measured differently by different women of different inner strengths, if it can be measured after all. How then the courts will decide the extent of violence and its punishment to the respondents?
3. The law equates the rights of a wife with those of a live in partner. This is not only illegal but unethical too since in this sense the law is promoting live in partnership without marriage.
4. The law does not provide a chance of hearing to the respondent before accusing and penalizing him, which is against the human and constitutional right of any respondent. The law also does not provide for any punishment for the accuser in case a charge of domestic violence is proved to be false in a court of law. In this sense, the law is very similar to Sec. 498 A of IPC (Dowry Prohibition Act) which provides ample opportunity of its abuse, as it has been proved in the cases of Sec. 498 A.

Adarsh

#294
null and void
URL
November 9, 2006
12:39 AM

The law refers to emotional and psychological violence which is immeasurable and can be measured differently by different women.Most significantly, it does not take into account the emotional and psycological violence that is commited by women on men. In fact that kind of violence is most rampantly used by women to humiliate, demean and control men.Why can not then men have the women arrested on these grounds.

#295
Abhijeet
URL
November 9, 2006
12:44 AM

That is because the society presumes that women only suffer and men do not. It is time to change these notions. Women cannot portray themselves as the perpetual victims who want to don the robe of 'the victim" at the drop of the hat.The modern and so called liberated woman is as mean, cruel and manipulating as any other man. She is no longer the sati-savitri and can go to any lenghts or measures to further her interests.

#296
Hardy
November 9, 2006
02:08 AM

Hi Abhijeet, It is not that people do not realize that women can be cruel and mean as well. Even the women themselves know for sure how cunning and evil they are. All philosophers and men of all ages have always been wary of evil women. This bull shit of women being weak and sufferers at homes has been pushed through only in last 30 odd years. People before that knew how well to manage family disputes within four walls. Houses where female had the upper hand in internal affairs were almost in same proportion to where males had a dominant role. Just that when it came to external affairs men were more active and visible.


It is the MCPs (looking for sexual favors from any woman who-so-ever available) and the politicians looking for votes who pretend this ignorance.

As for DV act, it has been carefully drafted to avoid clashes between women. 498A was poorly drafted in the sense that some woman (mothers and sisters) cribbed about it being used against them. A whole hearted attempt to remove that deficiency/snag has been made in the newly crafted DV Act, such that it is now an all out war between males and females. Alas, MCPs are making best use of women as commodities by seeming to speak in favour of women laws.

#297
Righta
URL
November 9, 2006
02:43 AM

Anon.... and the apocalypse is gonna be between male and female, but will the child survive the ordeal, to enter the 'Satya Yug'?

#298
Neha
URL
November 9, 2006
02:46 AM


Mr Righta (or rather the misconceived master of wickedness)

Firslty I have never extended to have any conversation with you nor is it of any interest to me merely because of your vile intentions and spurious exterior of righteousness. I rather have a conversation with Mr Swar** who at least says as is and what is. But you seem to be totally unemployed and leave no opportunity to make some imaginary remarks about me.

Yes I am unemployed but I am a home maker and wife and mother and DIL and sister and daughter. All of the roles alive and successful . Unlike yours that are a total disaster, failure and lying in court. (moderators I make this remark only after comment 275 has been up for more than 24hrs)

Yes between my simple household chores I do comment but what about you...you seem totally , baikaar and I am surprised how you are unemployed (what is the secret--a fat dowry money to enjoy).

To your comment 275 , 3rd para, you seem to have spoken about threats, where and why I would dare give you any threats. Readers please note that once again this a pure fragment of his wild imagination and a case of psychosomatic disorder last stage.

Also (out of context though) my friends who I know have been divorced seem very happy, safe and content in life and not the way you have described. Readers please note once again that Mr Righta is just scaring the women who would read his comments in para 4- 275. Because as per him the men are sad victms who are put in jail , harassed, and separated from their kids, no justice, sob , sob etc etc etc. The women who do this to them according them are cruel and derive pleasure. So it is obvious that women are happy wherever they are, very happy.
Your 2 sided hollow arguments just defeats your para 4. Readers note the desperate plight of these men.

Now can I have some rights to make some conclusions about you.

Either you are unemployed and empty mind who makes these long long comments. Reason you have no job is because of the criminal allegations on you. Sad.

Or you are the President or CEO of some company and can afford the free time on the internet. Now if you are a CEO, well good , congratulations.. but what good is the success with no life, wife and child .

Besides this...................

I give great value to family life and the patriarchal system. I think your wife has the child and I am sure she is very happy coz she has the child, a life and is blessed and this is Gods decision--for a reason. Period.

You may write to me if you wish to. Only a suggestion and kindly do not jump to another round of uncontrolled fits. Your wife maybe a part of my group that I help with sometimes.. Most of them come with pen-names but after reading the first page of your blog, I think I may have heard something similar last year from a woman in my help group..

I need to cut this short, my child is back from school, his lunch time.




#299
Righta
URL
November 9, 2006
03:22 AM

Pune family(including an 18 year old sister in law, mother in law(MIL), step-MIL and relative's wife.... a Lady-body count of 1:4!!!) gets arrested for alleged D.V offence: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/299979.cms

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PUNE: The Pune rural police has registered Maharashtra's first case under the newly-enacted Domestic violence (Prevention) Act, 2005, after a newly-married woman lodged a harassment complaint with the Ghodegaon police station.

Shraddha Pingale (19), a resident of Narodi village in Ambegaon taluka, lodged a complaint (crime register number 37/06) on Wednesday, stating that her husband and in-laws harassed her mentally and physically while accusing her of having had a pre-marital affair.

She was also harassed on account of her poor health, the complaint says. Ghodegaon, a flourishing dairy centre, is located some 80 km from Pune, near Manchar.

Following Shraddha's complaint, her husband Kachhru Vitthal Pingale (26), mother-in-law Godabai (55), step mother-in-law Sarubai (50), brother-in-law Vishwas ( 26) and sister -in-law Nisha (18) were arrested and two relatives, Sadanand alias Sadashiv Sukhdev Thorat (33) and his wife Vidya (28), booked by the police.

Vishwas Nangre-Patil, superintendent of police, Pune rural, told TOI that it was the first case in the state registered under the act.

"The act has been used as supplementary to the section of the IPC to achieve conviction in the case," he said. Nangre-Patil said it was "pure" case of domestic violence and there was no demand for dowry from the in-laws. Hence the suspects had been booked and arrested under the Domestic Violence Act.

#300
Righta
URL
November 9, 2006
03:43 AM

Neha(comment # 298) cool it, if u think we have squared it off(personally), lets move on and do our own stuff(Writing about DV Act possibly :).

Else u may have to give another lame explanation of ur child coming off from school/play/piano lessons etc., to be able to leave in a hurry ... LOL

#301
Preeti
URL
November 9, 2006
12:58 PM


I think that the comments in this post are deriding a lot of women/men who are not even involved or do not even seem active on that particular thread. Name calling is all over.

First it was a 'nephew' who did not leave an opportunity to the name calling in the nastiest possible ways to everyone on DC.

And now some of the above commentators whose imaginations have gone haywire. Whether they suffer from shocks or setbacks after their wife filed cases --who knows??


Injustice happens to many but whatever happened to dignity and fighting for it honorably. For example several women are raped/killed but they do not go from website to website sniveling and name calling and character assassination or loathe the gender men or become misandrists.

Agree DC would like to enhance it viewership but not at the cost of quality and character assassination.

It definitely does not seem from the choicest words (abuses) they use/hurl , their usual blown out of the proportion brouhaha, that brings up a sneaky suspicion in my mind that are they innocents or even remotely sound innocent!!!!!

I also belong to a group but again in my group the women do not stalk or indulge in these horrendous attacks like them. To me it seems verbal abuse is on the rise rather than curbing it.


#302
Preeti
URL
November 9, 2006
12:59 PM

T ji

I had to say it.

#303
Somebody who already commented
November 9, 2006
02:38 PM

The biggest fiasco for a person is when he is made to suffer years fighting against the corrupt Indian system...when he has done no wrong...just to prove that he indeed has done nothing wrong.

The disrespect for system and enragement for the actual perpetrators comes naturally, because despite being innocent from his heart, he is being treated like criminals...where as the actual criminals go scott-free...

Never ever should you compare a raped woman to a man who has been 498ed and ruthlessly outraged by the someone once close to him, the system and the society alike. My experiences with rape and such things have already been elaborated in #213. These days I care a shit about women who wails about rape. Moreover in 90% of such cases, woman is almost always known to the person...which indirectly implies that chances of the two being sexually involved with each other prior to the reported incident are much higher. There is a high probability that some misunderstanding between the two(or more) people involved has been inflated to charges of rape/assault than anything else.

It is the never ending desire to hate and punish those who have made mockery of law and justice, which keeps these SIF Samaritans vibrant and alive all over internet.

#304
Sumanth
URL
November 9, 2006
02:47 PM

Preeti,

There is nothing civilised left in this unciviised, fascist country.

I agree that women are raped or killed. Does that mean, the corrupt govt and police, Congress, Gestapo and SS pick up any man and his sisters, mother any harass, extort, drive to suicide using fascist laws like Section 498a and Domestic Violence law?

How many civilised, logical, rational people of DC have opposed at least a portion of this law? The same people will take no time to oppose TADA and POTA. Why do you advise people to behave? Did you ever voice your opinions when the author of this very post has used unparliamentary language against SIF members?

Please note, women also drive husbands to suicide
and they are never punished for that.

Every minor argument is enough for husband to get implicated, but wife has whole sale license to abuse husband, call his mother a prostitute and threaten that she will get his sister raped.

We will not constraint ourselves in any way. The way DV Law is implemened it proves that Feminists are bastards. They have so shame in saying that laws are even misused against innocent women.

The argument given is, All laws are misused. Is not it?

Same way one can argue:

All women enjoy sex. Is not it?
Does it matter whether it is with consent or forced?

I am not supporting rape here.
I would like to say, "Logic is an Ass."

#305
Sumanth
URL
November 9, 2006
02:53 PM

Preeti,
Please take a look at evidence of civilised behaviour by prominent/Senior DC Members.

Or does you want only women and pseudo-liberals to have hole sale free License for abuse?

In this post on Feminism.

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#8
Sakshi
URL
April 18, 2006
05:35 AM

Aaman - How could you allow this fart-ass to post here? Didn't we all get enough of the SIF bullshit thru their spaming activities. Plus this dude in no way is offering a different and new view point...just repeating what he and his buddies wrote in their worthless spam comments.
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#306
Preeti
URL
November 9, 2006
02:57 PM

There is nothing civilised left in this unciviised, fascist country.

I could not agree more.
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All women enjoy sex. Is not it?
Does it matter whether it is with consent or forced?


So you support rape!! Good for you.

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All laws are misused....OK
But then again several criminals get off the hook too and out on bail and free for life.

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Ok...like you..I too say that just becoz you all are falsely implicated "does that also give you the whole sale liscence to pick and rape anyone"

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no constraints...fine. suit yourself.
Wise men have advised that by raising your voice nothing is achieved. period.

#307
#307
URL
November 9, 2006
03:51 PM

Preethi ji,

Nobody here supports rape or expolitation of women...you completely missed the point. They are against misuse of law against men and women.

#308
Sumanth
URL
November 9, 2006
03:55 PM

Preeti,

Good luck. In this two way "whole sale free license business" Indian men and women will stop marrying and we all become firm believers of Osho.

Thats certainly not bad for men.

You wrote:
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Wise men have advised that by raising your voice nothing is achieved. period.
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We have already achieved what we wanted to achieve. We have crossed the critial size needed to have financial muscle for advertising and hoardings. Now, we are bombarding info on Indian men continuously. Its just a matter of time, they will yield and realise the reality. We have long term road maps. After all feminists worked for 30 years. We are inspired by them.

Then, India will get fully modernised as Indian Men will come to 21st centurty from 16th Century. As it happens, both Indian men and women will sleep with 500 partners before even thinking of marriage.

Thats not really bad for men.

We know how to handle all these laws. We studied VAWA of US in detail. Just wait, no fault divorce will also come to India.

#309
Preeti
URL
November 9, 2006
04:03 PM

Ok --got the point. But did you read the comments prior to those.

#310
Sumanth
URL
November 9, 2006
04:06 PM

Preeti,

You write:
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But then again several criminals get off the hook too.
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I agree. There are so many examples. Like Sita, Surpanakha and Kaikeyi who abused men, demanded adultery and driven men to death. These criminals got off the hook as well.

The criminal wives who drive husbands to suicide are also getting off the hook. They and their parents all will be arrested soon and will spend 7 years in jail.

Most men take to crime to feed a wife, parents or children. Once they stop all that and live for themselves, then all the crimes will end.

#311
Preeti
URL
November 9, 2006
04:07 PM

That sounds interesting.

30 years..OK ...the present generation of mine would have achieved what they would want to.

What happens after 30 yrs who knows....

Maybe women may come up with something better 30 years down the line.

30 years is a long time to catch up with.

But as you said "inspiration" is a good way to follow BUT hard to catch up with :)

#312
V by SIF
URL
November 9, 2006
08:50 PM

We have seen your article and Ms. Renuka Chowdhary's comment. She is a lier
and ceater.
First , she says , it is the turn to mens to suffer in TV.
Then she say , gender equall law will be ideal.
Now she saying , women are well coming this law.
Where as a lot of women laywer itslef are objecting openly , like waht we
have seen , Ms. Pinki Anand, Ms. Geetha Latur..etc.

Hence she is totally lost her creditibility.
She only waht to promote the Violence as a part of our life , she does not
want a Domestic Harmony act. She is a not only Man hater, she is a enemy of
millions of age old Mothers.

She always try to hide the true stastics, where the Indian men are suffering
more and more.
Why she never talk about the men vs women sucide stastics , World heath
orginasation.

She had been badly exposed and this Congress goverment will be thrown out of
Power in next election , if they do not take the corrective action.
Slowlly the Backlash started, the more and more this AK 47 will fire the
more and more innocent people will get killed , as history says terrorist
activity only kills innocent.

This for renuka chawdhary , let her to reply , waht is the problem to make a
crime based law insted of in assumption?? Is she a god , that she knows
everytime , in side the room always husabnds family do domestic violence and
wives family are sati sabtri?

Are all men born in criminal family and all the girls born in Raja Harish
Chandar family??

Why such assumption??

This is nothing but to save gurd the bad woemn of our society to balckmaill
and do the legal terrorism in India.

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This is for Renuka chadwary , if she had taken a honest mother milk , let
her come a public debate, we will expose her...this is a open challenge, if
she is a honest person.

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Wonder the basis of any Jurnalism is to improve the harmony between two
genders or increse the crime against each other.

Once againg, dear Jurnalist , we want "Domestic Harmony Act" and say No to
your this AK47 in the name of "Domestic Violence Act" .

You can delete the coments of our Mother/Sisters/ Daughters in you biased
article , but that does not grantee that they will be prefer to be a male
hater like you.

The fight will Continue , your biased and hiding activity and our fight for
truth irrespective of any Sex, caste of Religion.

Crime is Crime and the Punishment should be equall for all.

Domestic Violence is a Crime and the same should be applicable for all , as
Verbal abuse, mental harrasement , economical abuse , cheating of
Realtionship , both a Bad men as well as Bad Women are doen equally.

*More than 98% Indian Husabnds study Conducted by SIF , face the Domestic
Violence from thier Wives as desrcibed above.*

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*In addition to taht "WHO Report ( World Health Orginasations) * "

For age group of 30-44 years, the suicide rate of men is 60% higher than
women.

For age group of 44-59 years, the suicide rate of men is 116% higher than
women.

For age group of 60 years and above, the suicide rate of men is 117% higher
than women.

*National Crime Bureau reports 68,000 suicides by men in year 2004 compared
to 39,000 suicides by women. These extra 29,000 men who committed suicide
are predominently married men. In short, their wives drove them to suicide.*

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#313
V by SIF
URL
November 9, 2006
08:50 PM

Current Suicide rates in India:

"National rate: 11 persons per 100,000-IndiaStat. com

For males in the age group of 30 to 44, the Suicide rate is a whopping 508
per 100,000 persons; for women it is 220. The Suicide rate among men in the
age group of 45 to 59 is a shocking 1,812 per 100,000 persons and among
women, nearly 550. So much more people are dying due to SOWRY (reverse of
DOWRY) harassment than the DOWRY harassment. "

However, among divorced males the suicide rate is 164 per 100,000 persons,
but even in this class, among females the rate is only 63 per 100,000. While
the suicide rate for separated men is about 167, for females it is only 41
per 100,000 persons.

Above statistics are surprising but is reality. Culturally India is very
inclined/respected/ supportive to women and the advantage taken by women
organizations. "

#314
Righta
URL
November 10, 2006
02:50 AM

comment #311 "But as you said "inspiration" is a good way to follow BUT hard to catch up with :)"

Yes that was wishful thinking ->"But hard to catch up with", when a group of humans with fire in their bellies work for anything in a concerted way, especially when they have a model/paradigm in front of them(feminists in this case), they don't take the same time as the model/paradigm which preceded them. There will be discontinuous and quantum jumps, gains and results, arguably a better growth and spread; a total Paradigm shift. Which will well result in reversal of fortunes and a total shake-up the system resulting in a new balance of power and societal equilibrium.

APOCALYPSE is for real, who fights who is still a question, a shake-up is inevitable and is impending.

Hope all this is for the good, since this a 'fire', and fires are seldom fully controlled, someone, somewhere will have to take the burnt, its inevitable backlash, for we are witnessing a "Tipping Point".

#315
Righta
URL
November 10, 2006
04:01 AM

This is in response to the article: What are men scared of? By CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA, link: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp

Written by an elderly mother; who along with her husband and their only son are the three accused in a false case(of IPC 498a, of which DV Act is a distant cousin) filed by her daughter in law(i get reminded of the film Monster-in-law, reading it)

To Chandrima,

I am a Save Indian family member and a lady too. In my opinion, often women are foes to women themselves.

I now dwell on the occasion when my son was arrested in harassment and dowry section viz. 498 A. When the Police accompanied by the girl's uncle, a supreme court advocate and her father came to my son's flat in Bombay, to arrest him of course. Can you fathom his bewilderment or shock, when all that he had done is to have selected and married a girl from humble financial background , and had never demanded dowry. To him even thinking about a girl's/wife's money was taboo. This false complaint of IPC498a was purposely done to grab a huge amount of money from my son(who was born into a financially well to do family).

Do you see the bruise this girl has done to a male youth, full of dreams for his career and future. Do you see the bruise on the hearts of his parents(Isn't his mother a lady victim?), who were residing in Kerala, far away from their son was working/living, when they heard that their son, who is recognized as a model for character, intelligence and enthusiasm, in their place, was in police custody, for a crime he rightfully refutes.

Do you know how she achieved this trauma, with a sadistic pleasure(modern sadism)?. Her father a Sunday lawyer, came to the Police station accompanying two Ambassador cars, full of local congress men(the then ruling party) he himself acting as an eminent judge in front of the Police. The Police were scared & obliging, and though they were sure that certain points were absolutely false, and sure of foul play, they had to yield to the pressures of power-politics.

Now can you see, how erroneously these laws(Domestic Violence Laws/Act also can be as easily misused as IPC498a, which has a proven track record of 23 odd years of being heavily misused) are implemented? , and how they can be misused by wicked & wily women. There was no preliminary investigation And this gentleman, my only child, lost interest in almost everything, which he was passionate about in his 'earlier life'!, because of the lingering frustration which menacingly built up during the 4 plus years, in which he was entangled,(and still continuing) in this false case. He had to resign his good job, due to lack of concentration and efficiency.

Here we have to note that its mostly the youth who are eagerly engaged in the national reconstruction and productivity are pathetically stymied and ruined, by this law, on the funny assumption, that girls can't lie. They never lie, especially when it comes to destroying their own marital home!. Or they don't know how to lie and they are the embodiments of all virtues.

In the above case Bombay High court had ordered an expeditious trail, on our instance and Writ petition citing all delays and illegalities resorted to by the complainants. But the girl and her gang, tried to delay the case, owing to the fear of being exposed with respect to the fraud and villainous scheme of grabbing our property, by applying a transfer of their own false case, in Supreme court to Kerala. But against their scheme, Supreme court ordered the transfer without much delay. SC ordered an expeditious trial also. But the complainants, the girl and her father still refrain from being present in the court. It is clear that they don't want to pursue the case, and want it to be dismissed on the grounds of complainants/witnesses not being present for the trails!.

WHY? .... They simply want to avoid cross-examinations, and further exposing of their treachery( and resultant punishment if any).

Oh no. Girl should not be punished, they should be rewarded for daring to be cheats(rather a reward/prize for bravery). HERE WHO ARE THE LOSERS ? How many creative years of a young man are lost in this process?

Is there a provision in the law for an apt retribution for this girl for her misuse of the law, in the same range as the young man has suffered?

Genuine cases of harassment and dowry will never be exposed due to lack of funds for court procedure, bribes and influence. So these laws and implementation are proved to be mere farce. So is Domestic violence act going to be. These are intended to promote cheating and falsehood. And ultimately failure of families and society.

Regarding the mess a husband makes and the resultant daily "death" of a wife in Chandrima's article, all men are not like this. This particular behaviour of a man can be due to a lack of concern and proper motivation from the wife's part. Proper feminine attitude, of concern , care, love and solace will erase this kind of disorderly life. Besides if there is proper feminine virtues, this kind of complaints themselves will vanish.

Aided by these cruel laws, "Chandrima" type personality is in the rise, among ladies. Indian society is being transformed to a kind of hell, with the support of such laws. The good old womanhood is vanishing from the arena and Indian family.

Say adios to womanhood. Instead there are tigresses. Now the girls very happily consider them to be tigresses. For them tigresses are far superior to ladies. No wonder they are impatient with the husband's existence itself. They want to get rid of them, if they can manage money for livelihood..

With these false complaints , intended to control and make a doll out of the
husband, will only help to increase the husband's vengeance and real violence can well ensue out of it, which never enables a peaceful stay together, thereby marring the
usefulness of the good law. So there should be genuine and effective ways to check the
truth of such complaints.

New girl cheaters, with tigers inside them will exploit
this law to grab money. Moreover the lawyers will be pleased to have such cases, nowadays it is known to everyone that, sensing little discords in newly formed families, these opportunists encourage false cases. If such girls have advocate-fathers
or uncles, they can also play with the girl's life making the life irretrievably collapse
ultimately. Do we want this kind of future society ? Again adios to the good
old Indian family, where mutual respect, concern and love were the binding
forces.

It is a woman itself, a mother, who was a young wife and a daughter-in-law in the yester years, cultivates this messy behaviour. Probably , Chandrima, if she has sons, is going to rear them in the same messy manner, considering her unconcerned, impatient, intolerant and non -lady like traits. This type of cruelty make the men run away from the wives, now a days. Having a job and earnings are not the ultimate aim of any human life. These worldly considerations will be meaningful only with the aid of proper values in life.

The mason's wife, has really cheated herself. Her duty at that schooling age was to get educated, especially when her parents wanted to help her in that direction. Instead she herself became her foe, by negligence and seduction. Besides she was aware before hand that he was of the habit of getting intoxicated.

Hmmm we build hell(or heaven), ourselves- but when things go wrong we need a vent, a reason to justify our losses, perhaps some laws like DV Act and IPC 498a, to Misuse! and possibly redeem our own sins!.

#316
UC
URL
November 10, 2006
10:36 AM

http://www.indiaenews.com/india/20061110/28184.htm

In the above news article, Mrs. Renuka Choudary, the Union Minister for Women and Child Welfare, is quoted to have said, 'Can you stop making a law fearing that it would be misused? Criminal laws are misused. Rape laws are misused. Does it mean that we do not need laws? Arrey bhai, first you should have a law, then we can think about preventing misuse.'

Do her statements make any sense? She is aware that laws are misused. So, would it not be her responsibility towards the public to make sure that there are checks and balances so that the law is not misused and so that only the genuinely aggrieved are benefitted? IPC 498a has been in place for 23 years and it is yet to realize its so called "goal of protecting women" while many innocent citizens are undergoing needless pain and misery due to its largescale misuse. One of the arguments for the introduction of DV Act is the supposedly limited scope and ineffectiveness of IPC 498a. We should not be surprised if in a few years, Mrs. Renuka and her feminist colleagues will cry foul again and say that the DV Act, like 498a, has not been effective in curbing violence and cruelty against women and push for more horrendous laws. Why will these laws be effective if they are so poorly conceived and so badly implemented?

#317
From the TOI
URL
November 10, 2006
11:01 AM

Soli Sorabjee
Former Attorney General

In principle there is no objection to including verbal abuse in the definition of domestic violence. The problem lies in the wide definition of verbal abuse which includes "name calling and insults". Name calling in every case cannot be equated with verbal abuse.

Have we not called our friends, male or female, 'shorty' or 'fatty' or 'snooty' or 'sexy' and referred to them as such in conversation? An average person of ordinary sensibilities would not consider these nicknames as insults or verbal abuse. We must be guided by the standards of rational human beings.

If a female consumed by intense curiosity tirelessly questions her husband or partner about his friends, male or female, and makes disparaging remarks about them, the man in exasperation may say "stop behaving like a jealous cat".

On account of the wide definition he would be guilty of domestic violence on different scores. And therein lies the rub. One of the meanings of insult is "to hurt one's feelings". There are hypersensitive persons who perceive hurt and imagine insults when none is meant or intended.

For example, in a heated discussion on the subject of religion and some religious practices, it is likely for a man to call his wife or female partner a fanatic and that may well be for good reasons. Is that an insult?

Take the case of a debate about the advisability of the abolition of capital punishment. If the wife is fervently for hanging convicted criminals by the neck till they die, the male in exasperation may call her a blood thirsty moron.

In the above examples it would be absurd to hold that the man has indulged in verbal abuse and is thus guilty of domestic violence. But that is precisely what would happen in view of the indiscriminate and imprecise definition of verbal abuse.

This state of affairs would inevitably have a chilling effect on expression. Healthy and vigorous dialogue would become impossible, conversation would lose its flavour and punch and all that on the slippery subjective criterion of name-calling and feelings being hurt. It would also plant seeds for marital discord.

If name-calling is persistent and abusive, that is a different matter altogether and may be dealt with appropriately. Therefore, the need is to define verbal abuse narrowly and with precision and to prevent the Domestic Violence Act from being a paradise for lawyers, a hell for husbands and nightmare for enforcement authorities.

#318
Sumanth
URL
November 10, 2006
01:53 PM

Indian National Crime Bureau says,
Nearly 44.7% of the suicide victims were married males while only 25% were married females.

The ratio of Male : Female victims of suicide was 63 : 37.

Looks like Married Men are much more powerless in a Male Dominated society.

Every day, 64 wives commit suicide.
Shocking. Is not it?

Now, take this.
Every day, 114 husbands commit suicide. (please use maths to derive it. If you are a feminist, then just rant as you have no math skills for sure).

( You can get the link to National Crime Bureau Statistics in sif blog ie the URL below my name).

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For a society, males are disposable.
But, its going to change for the first time in Human History.
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#319
Sumanth
URL
November 10, 2006
01:57 PM

Wife and her Brother beat up the husband and his lawyer at Pune Court.

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Pune - Domestic Violence in Court !! - "Sakal"

Friends,

i just went through this article in 'Sakal' newspaper dated 9th Nov 2006,
incident happened on 8th Nov 2006 in Pune Family Court, where wife
along with her brother beat her husband!! To save this person husband's lawyer who is member of Pune Bar Counsel intervened but he was also beatened.

WHERE IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ACT HAPPENING?? If it was any woman, they
would have made it a national issue.

- Sam
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#320
null
URL
November 10, 2006
02:42 PM

Nowadays, marriages are tough. It takes a lot of love, understanding and patience to make a marriage work. Marriages are based on trust. Once the trust is broken, it is extremely hard to make the marriage work.

The Domestic violence Act Of India, under the garb of "women welfare and protection" is an attempt to create a society where men are robbed of all their rights. The law makes it very easy to escalate the domestic problems in daily life to such a level that it eventually leads to a breakdown in marriage.

From time to time, differences arise in marriages. Two people who love each other and are in general happy with each other, sometimes behave in a hurtful way. This is true for both the men and the women. Sometimes, in the heat of the moment, people do mistakes and regret it later.

This law makes it impossible for a woman to rectify her mistake. By making such a one sided extreme law, women will be tempted to use it against their husbands. The law lends itself to such easy misuse that women, on the strength of this law will try to teach a lesson to their husbands by filing frivolous and false cases. The husband will always feel the heat and feel threatened by his wife.

The fact is that if anyone feels cornered and threatened in a marriage, its the beginning of the end. The Domestic Violence Bill of India does exactly that. It gives sweeping powers to females and takes away all the rights of men. It imposes a lot of repsonsibiity on men, without giving them anything in return. For the women, it gives lots of rights without asking them to be responsible.

This is gender bias at its worst. It victimizes men and the law has been so poorly drafted that it will get blatantly misused. Many innocent men will suffer because of this law.

I have the following questions for the Govt of India

1. Why is there no protection for men from domestic violence ? If you say that not many cases occur, then do you have any statistics ? And regardless, if a man suffers domestic violence, shouldnt the law protect him as well ?

2. DO you think women are capable of violence ? [ Just today, there was a news item that a woman killed her husband to get his property so that she can live with her lover]. Since it is well proven that women are capable of violence, shouldn't the man be protected as well ?

3. So, according to the law, if a man insults a woman, he can be jailed for a year. So, it is domestic violence if a man insults a woman. How about if a woman insults a woman ? Is not necessary to protect a woman from another woman? Also, is it not domestic violence if a woman insults a man ?

4. According to the law, if a woman asks for money from a man and if the man is not able to provide it, then the woman can get the man jailed. However, the law prevents the man from asking for money from the woman. Isn't this economic abuse of the men ? If a woman uses this law to blackmail and extort money from her husband, what protection does a husband have ?

5. My wife says that if I dont kick my parents out of the house, she will file a domestic violence case against me. What protection do I have under this law ?

6. My wife says that if I do not transfer all my property to her name, then I am economically abusing her and she will file a domestic violence case against me. What protection do I have under the law ?

7. My wife is having an affair and she threatens that if I try to prevent her from meeting her lover, then she says that she will use the domestic violence law against me, as according to the law, I am preventing her from meeting a person. I do not want a divorce because I have small children and I do not want them to suffer. Please tell me what should I do ?

8. My wife wants to go a 5 star hotel every day for dinner. When I object, she says that I am not providing her food and hence she will file the domestic violence case against me. I have tried to reason with her, but she is not willing to budge. Please tell me what should I do ?

9. This law gives tremendous rights to women and a lot of reponsibilities to man. What responsibilities or liabilities do women have under this law ?

10. DO you realize that there is generally some amount of friction in most marriages and by giving such absolute power to women, you are victimizing men. The results are going to be more divorces in which vindictive women will frame false cases on men, take away their property and put them in jail. Many many children will grow up in broken up families and will suffer. Ms. Minister, is this your idea of women and chilren welfare ?

11. Due to the poor drafting of this law, this law will be misused heavily and many many innocent men will go to jail and their lives will be destroyed. Do you have any message for them ?

12. Is there a provision that a woman who misuses the law will be punished as severely as a man is punished ?

13. You say that why will a woman file a case if she is happy in the marriage. In other words you are saying, that the man is at the mercy of the woman. If she is not happy for any reason, she can teach a lesson to her husband by filing a false case, reagardless of whether any violence occured or not. Where is the justice here ?

14. DO you think that men are second class citizens ? If not, then why have they not been given any rights in this law. Are you planning to release a similar law for men ? If you are not because you are the minister for women welfare, then is there a minister for men welfare ?

15. Do you know if any other country has a domestic violence law, in which only the woman can file a case on man, if she is abused, but the man can not file a case on woman if he is abused ?

16. Do you think this law will promote domestic harmony in the society ? DOnt you think that husband will be victimized by the wife who can use these threats to get her way ?

It takes a man as well as a woman to make a marriage work. Such nasty one sided laws will only promote marital discord and will lead to more divorces, where men will be victimized and destroyed. But then, alas, the people who are trying to make this law are women who do not have a good family life. Most of them are either unmarried or divorced, so they do not realize what it takes to make a happy family. And they are tyring to destroy the happy families of others as well.

Eventually, the children suffer - both boys and girls. They will grow up in a fatherless world and there will be no MAN in their life to help them build the strength of their character and to teach them to take responsibility and take care of families.

#321
Righta
URL
November 11, 2006
12:51 AM

" Who will Protect Indian Women from those so called Protection Officers, Lawyers, Police , Judges ..etc?": http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061110213438AAsZRKX

Four Indian Women Behind the bar due to Ms. Renuka Choudhary's "Diwali Gift ( DV Act).



Few days Back one of SIF member told me Swarup , " Till date Indina Women had been protected by their Near and Dear ones. Now after this AK47 ( Domestic Violence Act ) , they will be protected by so called Protection Officer , Lawyers, Police , Judges..etc"



But She also asked me, " Who will Protect Indian Women from those so called Protection Officers, Lawyers, Police , Judges ..etc"



"Following Shraddha's complaint, her husband Kachhru Vitthal Pingale

(26), mother-in-law Godabai (55), step mother-in-law Sarubai (50),

brother-in-law Vishwas ( 26) and sister -in-law Nisha (18) were arrested and two relatives, Sadanand alias Sadashiv Sukhdev Thorat (33) and his wife Vidya (28), booked by the police."



In a single day , Ms. Renuka Choudhary's "Diwali Gift ( DV Act) , ensure Four Women behind the bar without any investigation , who is right and who is wrong.

Another SIF Member Sachit explained: "If we go through the definition of the law and the explanations by all Women activist , this LAW to Protect the Women , DV Act is applicable ONLY AGAINST MEN, BUT

HERE THE FOUR WOMEN TOO ARE ARRESTED!!!!!!" - NO DOWRY DEMAND ALLEGED.



"Nangre-Patil said it was "pure" case of domestic violence and there was no demand for dowry from the in-laws. Hence the suspects had been booked and arrested under the Domestic Violence Act."





I conclude: Clearly proven that this "Domestic Violence Act" is AGAINST WOMEN.

#322
null
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November 11, 2006
01:54 AM

since when are you all worried about women.
Fear......oh yes.

#323
UC
URL
November 11, 2006
06:48 AM

We have always been worried about men and women because it turns out that we live in families which consist of mothers and sisters in addition to men. Some people just seem to be expert at ignoring comments on behalf of or in support of women when we talk about bisaed laws because that kind of blows up in the face of feminazi laws.

#324
UC
URL
November 11, 2006
06:56 AM

Just for a reminder for every woman who falsely accuses a man more than one woman is suffering. And for people who live in families, this matters. These so called feminists have been conveniently fooling the world that they are trying to protect women. Also, the fact that most falsely accused women who are suffering don't come out and speak up has given these feminists a really good justification to go on with their drama. Not anymore!!!

#325
Hardy
November 11, 2006
07:33 AM

UC,
I prefer "not" use our mothers and sisters as shield. Any injustice done to us men is as grave as anything done to a woman. We are not second to women when it comes to being treated equal.
We have same rights as other humans.We can not let tolerate those pseudo liberal feminist idiots to take us for ride.

Our protest and grievance more geninue than those crocodilian tears and false laments of those unscrupulous women.

#326
UC
URL
November 11, 2006
08:01 AM

Hardy,

I could not agree with you more. Mothers and sisters are not a sheild. And men's rights are as important as women's rights. But it is a fact that innocent mothers and sisters are being jailed too along with men. What feminists are getting away with is dividing up the society based on gender by saying that women are being protected by these laws and that whatever they propose and do is justified. They know it enrages men, but they have to know it enrages women too. This is not just a battle for men's rights. It is a battle against gross social injustice to men and women in the name of protecing women.

#327
Righta
URL
November 13, 2006
12:21 AM

Subject: Clarification with respect to DV Act and Divorce Fw: A letter


Is this currency valid for Maintenance and Alimony too?, expert legal opinion solicited.

Or will this backfire, since it involves economic abuse-domestic violence(no salary for a month), sexual abuse-domestic violence(offering/threatening with unsolicited kisses!), verbal-domestic violence in the form of name calling(sweetheart!) by a husband towards his aggrieved and harassed wife!?.

Please do clarify the legalities involved in offering kisses(or the heinous act of actually kissing!) to ones wife, w.r.t the changed laws and situations concerning simple inter-personal relationships!.

Regards,

Gokul
http://gokul.go.to






--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Enjoy this:

*A letter of Husband to Wife:*

Dear Sweetheart,

I can't send my salary this month, so I am sending 100 kisses...
You are my sweetheart. Your husband Allen.

*His Wife replied back after some days to her Husband:*

Dearest sweetheart,

Thanks for your 100 kisses, I am sending the expenses details.

1. The Milk man agreed on 2 kisses for one month's milk.

2. The electricity man only agreed after 7 kisses.

3. Your house owner is coming every day and taking two or three kisses instead of the rent.

4. Supermarket owner did not accept kisses only, so I have given him some other items.....

5. Other expenses 40 kisses

Please don't worry for me, I have a remaining balance of 35 kisses and I
hope I can complete the month using this balance.

Shall I plan same way for next months, Please Advise!!!

Your Sweet Heart.

#328
Righta
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November 13, 2006
10:33 AM

RENUKA SPEAKS(Interview with Karan Thapar): Renuka Chowdhury says Domestic Violence Bill will empower women.

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/26051/11_2006/devils_renuka2/the-week-that-wasnt.html

I'll empower women: Chowdhury
CNN-IBN

Karan Thapar: Hello and welcome to Devil's Advocate. Will the UPA Government's Domestic Violence Bill convert innocent husbands into offenders and criminals, and worse, will it empower motivated women to act viciously and get away with it? Those are the two key issues I should raise in an exclusive interview with the Minister for Women and Child Development, Renuka Chowdhury.

Ms Chowdhury, let's start with the definitions under this Act, which are so wide that they are worrying. To begin with, there is the whole question of what the Act means by domestic violence - it covers verbal abuse, emotional abuse, economic abuse and anything that tends towards them. I put it to you, that's so wide as to be either meaningless or dangerously self-embracing.

Renuka Chowdhury: I don't know why you have to see it in two extremes. Why have you not ever noticed that women live in dangerously self-embracing situations? That it's none of this, even if you see it as porosity in the Act or that the ambit is too wide. Please understand that women are burnt to death, beaten to insensibilities.

Karan Thapar:But the cure is not imprecision, the cure is not vagueness of legislation.

Renuka Chowdhury:Absolutely.

Karan Thapar:Let me explain why this Act is imprecise. For instance, emotional and verbal abuses are defined to include insults and ridicule. That means you can't be sarcastic to your wife, it means you can't call you brother-in-law an ass or a mother-in-law a nag even if both are those are correct. Surely, that's a level of silliness, but it's a part of your Bill.

Renuka Chowdhury: I want to tell you what you deem as silly is really not something that I have created today. Under the IPC section, speaking in a way that is denigrating to the status of women, which removes her from her dignity, is very much an Act under the IPC. So I don't see what are you getting heated up about today.

Karan Thapar:But you are here interfering in normal conversation between two adults. As Soli Sorabjee writing in The Indian Express pointed out, you are reducing an important and serious issue to the level of silliness.

Renuka Chowdhury: I don't think anything that happens to a women in the sense of her domestic violence can be termed as silly. It is over-trivialising and over-simplifying this Act. Please understand that despite all the checks, women are burnt, one in six women is raped, murdered, beaten to death, sent in to mental asylums. I don't think that's funny.

Karan Thapar: No doubt. But that's not what your Act concentrates on. Look, for instance, at economic abuse. It is defined by the Act as deprivation of any economic or financial resource, which the aggrieved is entitled to by custom and it includes disposal of household effects. Under that language, if a husband was to sell the family television at a time when his marriage was going through a bad patch, it should be deemed to be domestic violence. Now, that's ridiculous, but it is very much a part of the Act.

Renuka Chowdhury:Is it anymore ridiculous than the fact that well-to-do men suddenly turn around and claim that they have no money, that they are bankrupt because they have to pay alimony to a woman - where human dignity is involved.

Karan Thapar:But what your Act has done is to take trivial issues - that could happen quite innocently, inadvertently and turn them into offences and crimes.

Renuka Chowdhury: I don't agree with you. We are saying, we are facilitating and setting up a legal framework where by we expect to...

Karan Thapar:A very bad legal framework, insufficient legal framework and an imprecise one.

Renuka Chowdhury: Please listen to me. Can I be allowed to talk or otherwise this is deemed as domestic violence, this is professional violence.

Karan Thapar: That's the danger; you are proving my point.

Renuka Chowdhury:Absolutely.

Karan Thapar:A mere interruption becomes domestic violence.

Renuka Chowdhury:Interruption? This is an overrun! It is an interpretation of what is an interruption and verbal overrun.

Karan Thapar:Don't you think you are proving my point?

Renuka Chowdhury: You may think so, but let's wait for what others think. But I want to tell you what I think. I think that if there is harmony within the house, there is nothing for anyone to fear. But if there is complete disharmony, where one partner is completely incapacitated, made to be dependent on another partner and they are harassed... you have no idea what harmony means.

Karan Thapar: That's a biased statement which you are elevating into a principle of false philosophy. The reason that in fact it isn't true is very simple: look at the range of people covered by your Act. It talks about aggrieved persons, and aggrieved persons are defined as any woman who is or has been in a domestic relationship. Then it defines domestic relationship as the relationship between two persons who live or have at any point of time lived together in a shared household.

Put them together and your Act covers not just wives, but wives who have been divorced, girlfriends who you have separated perhaps as long as a decade ago. Why are those included in the ambit of this Act?

Renuka Chowdhury: Why? Because, women even in those relationships have been harassed and held to ransom. There have been enough divorced women who have been divorced because of various reasons, and money is not returned.

Karan Thapar:Divorced women have a decree that is given by a court; an alimony that is given by a court; the divorce has been adjudicated; it is legal. There is no need for you to interfere.

Renuka Chowdhury: Fair enough. Let us assume there is no need for us to interfere.

Karan Thapar:Don't assume, it's a fact.

Renuka Chowdhury: Ok, if it's a fact. But please tell me do you think a woman is given a divorce easily where a man doesn't want (to give divorce). Go to the court and have a look.

Karan Thapar: When a divorce is given and granted by a court, there is no need to go further back in the picture. But you do.

Renuka Chowdhury: I tell you why we do it. If a man violates his custodial rights; if a man violates his restraint order; if after a divorce a husband keeps stalking me or harassing me; if a man turns up and smashes my windows - don't you think that keeps happening, Mr Karan Thapar?

Karan Thapar:It may happen. But that's not what your Act concentrates upon. Clause 3-C doesn't just limit the ambit of the Act to former girlfriends you have separated from or former wives, it even talks about any person related to the aggrieved person. This means it's not just the former girlfriend, arguably it's her step-brother as well - this is becoming ridiculous at this stage. It means - let me interpret this for you - that a husband cannot threaten to verbally abuse. Note the words: just threaten to verbally abuse the step-brother of a former girlfriend who he parted with 10 years ago. That ambit is taking a major concern to a ridiculous extent.

Renuka Chowdhury:Oh my God! I tell you, you are looking at such extremely ridiculous situations.

Karan Thapar:It's part of your Bill.

Renuka Chowdhury: You should be writing for a television series.

Karan Thapar:I am afraid your Bill seems to cater for it. That's the problem.

Renuka Chowdhury: Ok, if that's how you interpret it. But a man would, I am not surprised.

Karan Thapar:It is not a question of a man would. The reason I am pointing out the ridiculous extremes is that laws are always judged by the extremes, not by the middle position.

And what your law does - because of the wide ambit of the definition of domestic violence and because of the long range of people it covers - it tends to convert innocent husbands into offenders and criminals, and worse, it gives the power to motivated women who want to be vicious, or forgive me bloody-minded, to get away with such behaviour. That's why it is potentially dangerous.

Renuka Chowdhury:Karan Thapar, you have to understand that this Bill addresses a family as a unit within a prescribed legal framework. If the 'innocent husband' as you call him is 'innocent' and his behaviour and attitude to his partner in life is of mutual respect and concern, there is no anxiety for men to suddenly feel victimised and victims of the whole thing.

Karan Thapar: But the point is how do you define the offence you hold him guilty of? Sarcasm becomes an offence; calling your brother-in-law an ass becomes an offence.

Renuka Chowdhury:No, calling him an ass doesn't... that's your personal equation. If your brother-in-law and you are not happy with each other, you are going to look at excuses. But if there is basic harmony and you call a friend or brother-in-law an ass, he is not going to take you to court, let me tell you.

Karan Thapar: Let me point it out to you why this is such a dangerous Act. Critics are pointing out that this Act is going to go the way of the anti-dowry law; it's going to be deliberately misused.

Let me point out what the Supreme Court said in July 2005 about the anti-dowry law. It said many instances have come to light where the complaints are not bona fide and have been filed with an oblique motive. In such cases, acquittal of the accused does not wipe out the ignominy suffered during and prior to the trial. Sometimes adverse media coverage adds to the misery. Your act is going to go exactly the same way as the anti-dowry law.

Renuka Chowdhury:I want to tell you, when we bring out an Act, we help set a direction for a certain socially-accepted behaviour. Those are the broader parameters. Because of a minute percentage of people who misappropriate the Act, are you saying that I should not bring an Act, I should be in denial that women are not domestically harassed, that they are not kicked, removed from their home, denied access to their children, to their own earnings, and that they have no recourse to law?

Karan Thapar: Let me answer your question. You talk of a minute percentage of people?

Renuka Chowdhury:Yes.

Karan Thapar: The Centre for Social Research with regard to the anti-dowry law did a study after the Supreme Court judgment came out in August of 2005 and it concluded that of every 100 cases brought under the anti-dowry law, 98 per cent were false. Only two were correct. It's not a minute percentage; the level of abuse that this could incur is phenomenally high.

Renuka Chowdhury:It's okay.

Karan Thapar: It's okay? It's acceptable?

Renuka Chowdhury:It's not acceptable, don't put words into my mouth. No, I am very clear about it. Kindly listen - the law is not a static issue. Law reflects the need for a society to be given direction. We have put in broad parameters and we will see in which this direction this law goes. But even if this statistics are telling you that 98 per cent of the cases reported are violated and are wrong, please tell me the statistics of how many women are killed everyday, forced into abortions, raped against their will, denied access to society and property. Tell me those statistics and we will talk about it.

Karan Thapar: There is no doubt that women in India need protection. There is no doubt that domestic violence is one of the worst features of our society. The problem is you are protecting women at cost of exposing men to gross injustice. That's why this Bill is wrong. You are creating one right against another wrong.

Renuka Chowdhury:Karan Thapar, why didn't you do two rights in your shows earlier for those women who have no access to any justice in this country despite the establishment of laws? Are there no laws on Sati?

Karan Thapar: But you don't have to give them access to justice at the cost of men being treated badly. That's what you are doing. You are exposing men to injustice, harassment.

Renuka Chowdhury:We are not, we are not.

Karan Thapar: You keep talking about direction. You keep talking about importance of setting a direction for society. Clause 17 of the Act gives divorced women and former separated girlfriends - and I use that language very carefully: divorced women and former separated girlfriends - the right to claim residence in the home of their former husband or their former partner even though the Act says they may not have any right, title or beneficial interest in the same. What's the justification for that?

Renuka Chowdhury:Because the woman is removed from her house. She is threatened, coerced and you have an ex-parte divorce, which has been granted...

Karan Thapar: A divorced woman has a decree, and I cite, granted by a court. She has an alimony granted by a court. A divorce can only happen when a court grants it.

Renuka Chowdhury:No, no certainly not. I cannot accept that every divorce case has been examined in its...

Karan Thapar: A divorced woman has an annulment, a divorced woman has an alimony given by a court - surely the merit (of the case) has been taken into account.

Renuka Chowdhury:No, no, not necessarily. Not necessarily on the merits of the case, not at all.

Karan Thapar: Are you saying the judges are wrong?

Renuka Chowdhury:Maybe.

Karan Thapar: Are you stepping in to correct what judges have done?

Renuka Chowdhury:I am not correcting judges. I am empowering my women to have the right to access the dignity to their life, if they have been denied justice on other foras, if they have been given ex-parte divorce. In the absence of this, they have had no money to go and appeal in a court and they are denied their right, and if the husband suddenly declares he is bankrupt and has not given an alimony.

Karan Thapar: You see my point. You have just qualified the problem by adding six different ifs. Your law, however, doesn't add any of those ifs. Clause 17 begins with the phrase notwithstanding any other law in operation anywhere else in the country. Despite that divorced women and former girlfriends have a right of claim in the residence of their former partner or former husband. So, none of your ifs qualify, if you had put the ifs into the law I would understand.

Renuka Chowdhury: All right, so?

Karan Thapar: You need to amend it to actually incorporate your position.

Renuka Chowdhury: All right. We will see if the need arises, we will do it. First, let it come into being.

Karan Thapar: It has, on the 26th of October.

Renuka Chowdhury: And rather well, so far we haven't had any complaints about the misuse of the law.

Karan Thapar: So now you accept, with limited reference to Clause 17, there is need for amendment?

Renuka Chowdhury: There is always need for corrections and amendments in any law as we progress as a society develops and the needs arise. But for one hypothetically - before I reach the bridge and cross it - if you want me to make amendments, I won't.

Karan Thapar: In other words, let men suffer first, then I will correct the wrong I have done.

Renuka Chowdhury: It is not such a bad idea, except that I have such pity for men.

Karan Thapar: Ms Chowdhury, the great danger of the Domestic Violence Act, which came into force on October 26, is that in the hands of a bad judge and a good prosecuting attorney, it can be used to harass innocent men, to entrap innocent husbands and deny them justice. That's the danger of the imprecision of the loose wording and the huge ambit of so-called offences included here.

Renuka Chowdhury: All right.

Karan Thapar: You accept?

Renuka Chowdhury: They may be.

Karan Thapar: What do you mean may be?

Renuka Chowdhury: If you are saying so, you are so convinced of it. You won't even listen to what I have to say.

Karan Thapar: I have been listening to you. You seem to agree with me.

Renuka Chowdhury: I don't have an agreeable concept of what is listening.

Karan Thapar: But tell me something. If this Act in the hands of a bad judge or a clever prosecuting attorney can inflict injustice on innocent men, does it not need amendment?

Renuka Chowdhury: Mr Karan Thapar, every law in this country is in the hands of a bad judge and a clever prosecutor. It is nothing new or unique, the situation. Hence, when we have bad judges - your words - and clever prosecutors - your words - where do the women of this country take recourse to regarding the situation they live in?

Karan Thapar: But do they need a bad law? That's the problem. You are adding to the situation of bad judges by giving them a bad law.

Renuka Chowdhury: You are only telling me it's a bad law for men. It's not a bad law for women.

Karan Thapar: But that's only 50% of the Indian population?

Renuka Chowdhury: Yes. But my tragedy is I have women who are no longer even 50 per cent of the population.

Karan Thapar: You really believe you cannot do justice to women without doing injustice to men?

Renuka Chowdhury: I don't want to do injustice to men.

Karan Thapar: You have just done it.

Renuka Chowdhury: If you see it that way. Isn't it injustice against women that we have rape laws in place and dowry laws in place and they have never been adhered to, that women are killed every minute?

Karan Thapar: If 98 per cent of the cases brought under the dowry laws, as I told you, turn out to be false - according to statistics given by the Centre for Social Justice - if the Supreme Court itself has opined on the subject roughly at the same time last year, I am sure you don't need to add to the bad laws by creating more.

Renuka Chowdhury: It's the courts which have been proactive. The High Court just recently ruled here, saying that for seven years after a woman is married, the family will be held accountable for her death. Why would a court state that extreme order? Do you think that is a fine law? You agree with the opinion of the court?

Karan Thapar: Absolutely. I do. But I am not talking about murder, I am talking about offences that are just limited to sarcasm. I am talking about sarcasm to the step-brother of a former girlfriend covered by this law. That's why it's a bad law.

Renuka Chowdhury: Step-brother of a former girlfriend depends on a one-to-one basis. You don't have to be a relative of a woman for sarcasm. As a citizen if you misbehave with another citizen, under the IPC you can be held up. There is very little that is new in this law.

Karan Thapar: Let me point to you why this is, in fact, a dangerous law that can be misused in the hands of bad judges or clever prosecuting attorney. Clause 4(1) says any person who has reason to believe that an Act of domestic violence has been or is being or is likely to be committed, can inform the authorities with no liability if he or she is wrong. Secondly, at that point of time, a magistrate can impose a protection order that can severely restrain the rights of the accused. You are creating a devilish situation entirely on the basis of mischief-makers and title-tattlers snooping around.

Renuka Chowdhury: Maybe. Maybe initially you will have the title-tattlers, you will have everything. But I also like to believe that maybe you will save so may lives where we know that in-laws are planning to kill them or force her into a Sati death or go for PNDT Act.

Karan Thapar: You may also end up trapping innocent in-laws, because of paramours and other malignant people.

Renuka Chowdhury: "Innocent in-laws" have nothing to worry about. Innocent in-laws live in harmony with their daughters-in-law. There should not be problem.

Karan Thapar: The problem is that mischief-makers create trouble where there is disharmony. And Clause 4(1) permits them.

Renuka Chowdhury: Mischief-makers do create trouble everywhere. It's mischief-makers who do tell us that women are opiated and forced to commit Sati. It is mischief-makers who report on Income-Tax laws, if you remember, earlier.

Karan Thapar: But you don't need a law to tackle Sati.

Renuka Chowdhury: Of course, you need a law to tackle Sati.

Karan Thapar: But it's already a crime in India. We don't need a new law.

Renuka Chowdhury: Sure. But what is the success ratio? What are your success stories?

Karan Thapar: Let me point out the problem with Clause 4(1). It permits anyone who is inimical to you - leave aside the enemy of yours - to go and mischievously and maliciously report on things he claims you are doing and get away with it. In fact, it even permits your wife's paramour to turn up and make mischief against you and to do so with impunity.

Renuka Chowdhury: Yeah, but I will tell you something, Karan. It is irrespective of that - these are preventive checks we are putting. Do you think the law is an ass, they will suddenly come and arrest you?

Karan Thapar: I'm afraid this law is an ass. That's exactly what I am saying. This law is close to close to being an asinine.

Renuka Chowdhury: That's your opinion. That may be there. But I want to tell you there are very few sections under this law, which are not existing under the IPC.

Karan Thapar: In which case, you didn't need it. It's redundant. So why to bring it about?

Renuka Chowdhury: It's not redundant. Basically, we are empowering the IPC to do it. Delhi has reported that in the last year, 8,000 marital discord cases were reported to the police and there was little the police could do. How do you answer that?

Karan Thapar: Let me ask you one simple question. From Soli Sorabjee to ordinary Indians, there is great concern about the imprecision and dangerous wording and the dangerous ambit of this law. Are you prepared to listen and amend it?

Renuka Chowdhury: Of course. We are prepared in a democracy to listen and respond to a situation that could be an aberration on the societal fabric.

Karan Thapar: But you are going to wait for a situation to happen and then you are going to respond?

Renuka Chowdhury: That doesn't deny the right for us to bring about a law like this. It is a unmet need and women across the country have not yet protested.

Karan Thapar: You are saying to me that a bad law is better than no law at all?

Renuka Chowdhury: If you want to say it that way. Any law is better than no law at all.

Karan Thapar: Ms Chowdhury, a pleasure talking to you on Devil's Advocate.

Renuka Chowdhury: Well, thank you. But be careful.

#329
Righta
URL
November 13, 2006
10:43 AM

This is how a minister of 100 crore population speaks: with responsibility and sense of purpose!... may be, after crossing the bridge I will see what changes the bridge needs!(with analogy to amendments which may be needed in DV Act!)

Why can't an intelligent set of law-makers foresee the defects in these laws before actually shoddily implementing them, why are they insisting that they be first misused and then they would be considered for amendment, where is the amendment of IPC 498a even after 23 years of its existence and outright misuse?)

Yes minister, u may have got some votes, but u lost a of them too, moreover u lost ur face, ur honour and ur dignity!

#330
Righta
URL
November 14, 2006
03:04 AM

Domestic Violence Rumor Mill Runs the United Nations : http://newsbyus.com/more.php?id=6109_0_1_0_M

By David R. Usher on Nov 13, 06


If United States Ambassador John Bolton fails to act, world feminists will seize vast powers to destroy families internationally while committing tremendous human rights violations against men, women, and children in every country of the world.



The Secretary-General's study on domestic violence against women [DAW], developed under the corrupt leadership of Kofi Annan, is a much greater threat to America than the rejected Kyoto Protocol ever was. It calls for the establishment of a new feminist world order, possessing unilateral powers to mindlessly destroy marriage and steal family and business assets by teaching women how to holler "abuse".


Everyone agrees that domestic violence is a problem. Feminists dishonestly pretend it is entirely problem of unruly men, buttressed by unreliable myopic surveys of women. The purpose of this feminist approach is to achieve the primary goal of radical feminism: to destroy marriage, seize children and family wealth, and establish the liberated single-mother family. Unfounded allegations of abuse are the political and legal vector already used in many western countries to achieve this end.


The senseless destruction of marriage, homes, families, and the lives of children in western cultures has deeply violated the human rights of everyone. It has transformed many good cities into third-world urban disasters suffering from rampant illegitimacy, prostitution, crime, child sexual predation, and poverty. Radicals at the United Nations wish to force their new world order on the rest of the world.


The truth is this: women are as likely, or even more likely than men to engage in, and initiate, domestic violence. According to a 32-nation by Murray Straus, female-only partner aggression is twice as prevalent as male-only partner abuse.


Many credible individuals now recognize this fact. They acknowledge the truth, and in many cases advocating strongly against the looming radical takeover of the United Nations. You can count on leaders and knowledgeable professionals (not driven by entitlements or political power) such as President Bush, Phyllis Schlafly, Dr. Gerald Koocher (President of the APA), Dr. Murray Straus, Dr. Don Dutton, Wendy McElroy, Dr. Felicity Goodyear-Smith, and Lee Newman [SAFE International] to speak the truth.


Even a child could see through the rumor-mill-fed machinations of feminists. Here are a few examples:


The 113-page United Nations Report admits it is based on a "lack [of] systematic and reliable data on violence against women". There is no evidence in the report that any information was collected about women's violence against men. Without any supportive factual foundation, the U.N. Report claims that "Violence against women persists in every country in the world as a pervasive violation of human rights and a major impediment to achieving gender equality".


The U.N. Commission on Human Rights framework for model legislation on domestic violence is a carte-blanche vehicle empowering feminists to violate science and human rights in every country of the world. It defines domestic violence solely as "gender-specific violence directed against women", and admonishes states to "adopt the broadest possible definitions of acts of domestic violence". It states, "There shall be no restrictions on women bringing suits against spouses or live-in partners". The victim must be advised "of her rights as outlined below". The responding officer must "arrange for the removal of the offender from the home and, if that is not possible and if the victim is in continuing danger, arrest the offender". It permits immediate seizure of assets, and criminal conviction on the sole basis uncorroborated testimony by the alleged victim.


WHO's director Lee Jong-Wook made a stunning, scientifically-juxtaposed claim about global domestic violence: "Women are more at risk from violence involving people they know at home than from strangers in the street."


The World Bank estimates that "sexual and domestic violence accounts for 19 per cent of the disease burden among women aged 15-44 in industrialised countries". Do banks scientifically study domestic violence?


A UNPF report alleges that two-thirds of married women in India were victims of domestic violence, and then contradicts itself by claiming that 70 per cent of married women in India between the age of 15 and 49 are victims of beating, rape or coerced sex. This report also asserts that the rate of domestic violence is much higher in Egypt with 94 per cent and Zambia with 91 per cent.


UNICEF makes a wild assertion based on a "study" done in conjunction with Body Shop International (a mail-order firm specializing in toiletries) "at least one in three women globally has been beaten, coerced into sex, or abused in some other way-most often by someone she knows, including by her husband or another male family member. Globally, one woman in four has been abused during pregnancy." If one-quarter of pregnant women are beaten, that leaves only 8% being beaten when they are not pregnant. The report spends much time discussing children living in situations of domestic violence, but fails to determine whether domestic abuse by the mother or father is the cause of child problems.


Where do these dangerous claims come from? Non-Governmental Womens organizations around the world generate volumes of narcissistic surveys about violence. These are fed to feminists in the United Nations, whose re-sytheses are recited round-robin by NGO's, creating vast illusions for predatory political use.


Here are a few examples how the revolving feminist rumor mill works:


Women's activists in Russia claim that 50,000 Russian women are beaten every hour. If this is true, every one of the 66,758,805 women in Russia would be beaten every 13 days.


The Texas Council on Family violence makes unfathomable claims based on nothing more than informal surveys of women: "Over 24,000 women from 15 sites in 10 countries were interviewed for the World Health Organization's study which showed that over 75 per cent of them were physically or sexually abused since the age of 15 and reported a partner as the culprit."


Based solely on self-generated "surveys" of women, feminist activists in India claim that 70% of women are abused, despite the fact that no credible scientific studies have ever been undertaken to support the claim.


The Feminist Majority cites World Health Organization (WHO) surveys of women, saying that "More than 25 percent of women said they had experienced moderate to severe domestic violence in the last year. At six of the 15 sites, over 50 percent of women had experienced a moderate to severe level of domestic violence. The study found that rural Ethiopia had the highest rate of domestic violence, with 71 percent of women experiencing violence in the home.


United Nations should be involved in ending domestic violence. The approach must be realistic and scientifically appropriate on a country-by-country basis. Clearly, the ideological feminist approach will harm many women, men, and families, and be dangerous to the world. The United States must not submit to foreign controls that lump it in the same category as Sudan.


We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Ambassador Bolton should testify against acceptance of the Secretary General's Report, and state why it is unacceptable. President Bush should send a message that the United States will not support the United Nations at the present level of $5.3 billion annually, should it pursue a course of action that will clearly violate human rights in most egalitarian countries of the world.

http://www.mediaradar.org/

#331
Hardy
November 14, 2006
04:05 AM

Renuka says... "May be, after crossing the bridge I will see what changes the bridge needs!."

Ha Ha ha...

Righta...that was super... your wit is appreciated.

#332
null
URL
November 14, 2006
12:18 PM

Flip side of domestic crime law in focus
Friday, November 03,2006

NEW DELHI: While the women in the country seem to be rejoicing about the promulgation of the Prevention of Domestic Violence Bill brought into operation, some quarters have cautioned about the flip side of the bill brought and buldozed by vocal and overzealous votaries in the Parliament.

A senior leader of a national party and a former law minister, not wanting to be named, said he could not understand an anamolous situation where an ex-wife with settled claims will still be entitled to stay in her former husband's house along with his present family. ''This not only creates tension in the family but puts her life in danger especially in the rural areas,'' he noted.

What many people have not realised so far is the effect of the provision to override and side step all other existing laws, the leader said, adding it is a law applicable to all religions.

''When the Bill came up for consideration, there was a feeble attempt to draw the attention to the flip side but these voices were drowned by the boistrous women MPs, who wanted the passage of the Bill without discussion. Now when the legislation is operational, people will realise the practical problems.

The Tribune |

#333
Sujai
URL
November 14, 2006
03:30 PM

#328:
Righta:

Thanks for including the complete interview between Renuka Chowdary and Karan Thapar.

I usually do not like Karan Thapar, I think he interrupts everyone, puts words into their mouths, speaks more than the interviewee- all bad signs of an interviewer.

When this law came out, I welcomed it (#101).

I still welcome a law that protects the rights of a woman within a household, but having read Soli Sorabjee and the above interview, I have changed my opinion on certain sections of this law- especially the sections which cater to verbal abuse and its interpretations, and allowing someone to preemptively stop a domestic crime.

Renuka has done a bad job in defending her law. And Karan has done a good job in cornering Renuka.

In fact, she has clearly proved Karan's point- that it can be misused. She unnecessarily resorted to warning him to behave (or else!). Such arrogance on her part is what many people fear from this law.

She has to agree that this law can be misused.

If misused, what is the price one has to pay?

She can't get away saying that it will be misused and that some innocents will have to pay the price. The whole idea of a legal system in modern democracies is based on the notion that 'one can let go of a criminal free but an innocent should not be convicted.' This law is an anti-thesis of that notion.

#334
Righta
URL
November 15, 2006
12:32 AM

Yes my friend, DV Act and many other laws are misused, but when a law-maker/a Minister says that laws are bound to be misused, so what!- that's the ROT of democracy.

Anyway as feminists say it's their day/time, but aren't they axing their own support systems. Hope harmony returns...........

#335
Hardy
November 15, 2006
02:00 AM

Sujai...i am sorry to state that you work and think unscientifically. How could you not understand the flip side before you heard Renuka.
Are you saying that law is bad because Renuka , like an adamant buffalo on Indian roads did not budge an inch form her stand even when she was being proven to be an idiot.
Not done...Sujai...a scientific mind analyses the problem before making an opinion...and that is what(i mean the lack of scientific mind) that led our parliamentarians to frame this law under the hoopla created by women organizations.

Do check out follwing post

http://desicritics.org/2006/09/13/113244.php

where I proposed a reasonable solution(if not the
perfect solution) to tackle the actual menace.
Would appreciate your suggestions and comments there.


#336
Sujai
URL
November 15, 2006
02:51 AM

Hardy:
Your assertion that I work and think unscientifically does not change much. It does not add value to the discussion. It only makes you feel happy that you have demeaned the other person so that you can go home gloating that you have proved another person wrong, insulted him and ridiculed him. That makes you feel superior in your own eyes. If that is helping you, feel free to continue doing that. I don't mind!

I am not assuming that the law is bad. I maintain that we should welcome the law. Its important that we have this law. At the same time, I have come to see certain pitfalls that can come about because of certain interpretations, and therefore, I change my opinion in the sense that while I welcome the law I am not quite OK with the way it will be allowed to be interpreted in certain contexts (not entirety, only in certain contexts). Many laws will be defined by certain precedents that will in turn give the interpretation and basis for future verdicts. It all depends on how we are going to interpret them and use them.

If our system is ready to punish few innocents, then there is a need to clearly state what constitutes a verbal abuse and clearly define who those people are associated with such abuse. Either we clearly define the scope or let the judiciary set precedents to clearly define the scope. Either way is fine with me. Renuka's threating stance doesn't help the situation. [Her interview is not the trigger for my change in my opinion]

Hardy, your sweeping assertion that a scientific mind clearly analyzes the problem before making opinion is downright puerile. Your generalization includes all kinds of problems- lab problems, theoretical problems, and fundamental problems that define the laws of universe, social and biological problems. Sometimes the analysis is not complete for each of them. Wise men realize that in social sciences, the analysis is never complete. Wise men, which includes scientific community, are ready to concede that they have been wrong in their assertion and opinions and are ready to change their stance on an issue. Scientific and political history has examples galore to suggest that people have changed their opinion on certain revelations. One should welcome such change in opinion, not deride it and ridicule it. If you do that, you will prove a worthy opponent or a worthy ally, otherwise you will another one of those immature commenters who keep abusing others on this forum.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.- Bertrand Russell

#337
Hardy
November 15, 2006
03:07 AM

I read about scientific temperament in a chapter class VI.
I guess that was the most useful lesson one could have in his life...
It is all about observe, make postulate collect data, verify frame another postulate and so on so forth...
Thus your conjuncture that failure of theories proves that "analysis , scientific principle, or thinking is erroneous" is wrong. In fact failure of theories is what proves that scientific principle really works...Analysis(scientifically speaking postulate) is based on current data...once the data changes your postulate is bound to change.
But a scientific person pays due patience to analyzing a given current data(holistic) and frame a postulate(*analytical* reasoning) based on that, and not that he believes his instincts(which have all chances to be irrational) over the data.
I being a firm believer of this principle, feel that we had enough data and reasoning to believe that women laws in current form(DV 498A e.t.c) and not only inadequate but also misdirected, but still a lot us setting aside the data, but believing in the hype of biased women organizations and money hungry media, choose it accept these laws instead of criticizing of them.

#338
Hardy
November 15, 2006
03:22 AM

BTW, my statements in #335 were not supposed to be derisive to you(in fact it was more directed towards law makers)...and btw being (un)scientific is no big deal...
However I am happy for you to stated your position and have cleared certain ambiguities, I may be having from you comments...Thx

My only concern, in between #101(Oct28) and #328(Nov13) the only new data for you to make an new analysis(postulate) has been Renuka's (the Buffalo look-a-like) interview.

#339
Hardy
November 15, 2006
03:43 AM

> Sometimes the analysis is not complete for each
> of them. Wise men realize that in social
> sciences, the analysis is never complete. Wise
> men, which includes scientific community, are
> ready to concede that they have been wrong in
> their assertion and opinions and are ready to
> change their stance on an issue
If ones analysis does not cater to existing data...it is no analysis at all and is against the scientific principle. The analysis should cater to existing set of data for it to be called a postulate. A postulate changes only when there is modification in data(addition, alterantion e.t.c).
That is why I say DV act is more idiotically framed that 498A, even if 498A is more dangerous,
because over here we had enough data of misuse for last 23 years and still we choose to ignore it, as against 498A in 1983 where we had very limited data with us. DV act has been framed with fascist feminist minds, as does the author correctly points out. There has been no careful study and thought process which has gone into making of this law. I received a mail form somebody who details out how this law formed in our parliament, which i will list below...

"If you read the verbal communication going on in Loksabha and Rajyasabha, you will notice that the whole parliament is following patriarchy values, "Protect and provide women." It has been
concretely established by women's group with the help of media that "IF A MAN DOESN'T AGREE TO A WOMAN'S NEEDS, WHATEVER MAY BE THE
NEEDS, THAT MAN IS ANTI-WOMAN, BRUTAL, CRUEL, MALE-CHAUVINIST AND SHOULD BE LEGALLY PUNISHED." Most unbiased ministers in the parliament are helpless because other ministers are sold out to
these womens group. They beleive, "If they want to protect their seat in the parliament, they will have to support these women, or else they will be thrown out when the 33% reservation for women comes in." On the other hand, women ministers say, "We women are powerful, we need to live our life with dignity and so we need more
rights and more protection. We are weaker gender of the society, in a society where women are worshipped as goddess. Why do you'll men
have to worry over 33% reservation? We are not going to harm you'll. Just give us what we want." Such statements do tell us a lot about their intentions. And other unbiased ministers have nothing to say against their deception."

I could not agree more with you on your following statement.

"Scientific and political history has examples galore to suggest that people have changed their opinion on certain revelations" i.e additional or more data. Thx




#340
Hardy
November 15, 2006
04:30 AM

Hi Aaman,
Sometimes, I have stringly felt that this comment field, should be more broad and long. It will atleast help me avoiding a lot of typing mistakes.
Also how can we make this comment field start accepting rich text as against plain text. I mean is there some kind of web editor available which can be attached to this comment field.

#341
Hardy
November 15, 2006
04:43 AM

And one last thing... get this "Tramadol" spam blocked at DC.

#342
Sumanth
URL
November 15, 2006
08:41 AM

Thanks Sujai,

We SIF guys do not want the law to be removed. We feel laws are needed.

But, this is a law which is violating the fundamental rights of citizens.

The Misuse of Dowry Laws is Politically Correct now. The parliament has done nothing to close the Loop Holes in that law.

As I write, a false case under anti-dowry/cruelty law against a innocent man, his family is filed in every 12 minutes (even today). That comes from our estimate of 45,000 false cases out of 58,000 cases filed.

Supreme Court has ordered the Parliament to close the loopholes on 20th July2005. What has Renuka Chowdhury done about it?

Now, she is saying, innocent men should not worry.

The innocent men are already worried about Misuse of 498a (which everyone is accepting). Why do not they even make it at least bailable for old and sick people?


#343
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
12:56 AM

In the most shocking news Rahul Mahajan has turned to be a wife beater. It has been only 3 months since they married and this is the pathetic scenario. Ofcourse, this is not news to many who have been through this and experienced the same trauma.

Most husbands who have a very good image in society, educated, suave when exposed as wife beaters , it is very hard to digest this fact. They beat their wives in a fit of rage mercilessly and then later offer apologies and explanations. But the damage has already been done.

Generally women are too embarrassed to admit that they are victims of domestic violence despite of their education & elite background they come from. They refuse to acknowledge it lest it taints their status/reputation.

It took Shweta 3 whole months to expose him and come out with the truth. It is not easy for an educated, a woman who has a successful career to accept this shameful fact in the open.

Read the following link and see the pictures of Shweta, those bruises, those dark circles, those cut lips and those sorrowful eyes.


Rahul Mahajan's wife Shweta Singh is on the verge of ending their two-and-a-half month old marriage because of relentless "physical and verbal abuse" by her husband, a source close to the family told MiD DAY.

Rahul and Shweta were married on August 29, when the Mahajans had barely recovered from the events of the previous five months.

In April, Pramod Mahajan was shot dead by his brother Pravin. In June, Mahajan's secretary Bibek Moitra died after he allegedly overdosed on drugs while he was with Rahul.

The latest in a series of assaults on Shweta occurred last Wednesday, leaving her with a cut lip, a bruised arm, a sore back -- and the realization that she had to get out of the marriage.

The incident took place in a car during Rahul's visit to Delhi last week. To add to Shweta's humiliation, the beating took place in the presence of two of Rahul's friends. The source said, Rahul "hit Shweta repeatedly... he caught her by the hair, slapped her on the face, banging her head against the seat. Once, she was hunched over, he kept hitting her on the back with his fists."

The source said Rahul abused and threatened Shweta and her family throughout, and "vowed" to destroy them.

Apparently, Rahul was full of remorse later, but even this had a manic edge. He told Shweta to ''take a hammer and finish him off''. Terrified, Shweta asked him to stay away from her. Shweta's mother intervened, and Rahul left for Mumbai, sources said.

The pattern was clear well before Rahul's last attack. Only three weeks ago, after the couple had a disagreement over Rahul's plans for the future, ''he hit Shweta very hard''. The blow left a big bruise on Shweta's thigh. She flew back to Delhi, afraid of ''something worse happening to her'' because the couple lives alone in Mumbai.

Early blows
Shweta got to see the violent side of Rahul very early in the marriage. Her ordeal had begun almost as soon as the couple came back after their honeymoon in Seychelles in mid-September.

Upon their return, the couple visited Tirupati and stayed in a hotel, where a trivial matter caused Rahul to lose his temper. The source said Rahul began ''hurling abuses at Shweta, calling her a wh**e and accusing her of having destroyed his life. He called her a Vish Kanya, all the while throwing things.'' A friend of theirs was in the next room and heard everything.

Shweta was so traumatised after this incident that she couldn't stop shaking for hours.

After every assault, there were apologies and explanations, said sources. Rahul would tell her that he had an ''anger management'' problem and that he owed his temper to his ''upbringing and his genes''.

Shweta, a qualified pilot, is the daughter of a retired brigadier. She grew up in a very protected, fairly conservative environment. Given the controversies surrounding Rahul, Shweta's father wasn't very keen that she marry him, say sources, but Rahul's persistence seems to have influenced her mother.

''He would beg Shweta to marry him and constantly request her mother to convince her,'' said sources. The last call that Rahul made on the night Bibek Moitra died was to Shweta.

But things have changed dramatically since, transforming the once bubbly, girlish, Shweta to a woman who wears a permanently haunted look.

According to sources, she has been trying to convince Rahul to agree to a ''quiet separation''.

But Rahul isn't willing -- such a move could adversely affect his political plans and the ongoing court case on drugs charges. But the couple is, for all practical purposes, separated. Shweta refuses to go back to Rahul's Mumbai flat and lives in Delhi under the constant watch of her mother.

#344
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
12:57 AM

Which Idiots have said that domestic violence does not exist or will be misused????

#345
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
01:05 AM

These are statistics.

Statistics of real people, real victims, real bruises

Not some tripe that we have been reading of voice recorders etc etc and shit that we still need to hear from you.

These are statistics and stories of real victims who have dared to come out in the open. A woman who is educated and has told her plight.

REAL STORIES, REAL VICTIMS.

Anyone who thinks that domestic violence does not exist. If this is the plight of the educated financially independent woman, then I can imagine the plight of rural women.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE DOES EXIST.

Renuka Chaudhary your law is not enough , we want this abusers to be hanged.

#346
Hardy
November 20, 2006
01:54 AM

You do need DV act to punish Rahul...given the proofs he can be punished perfectly without DV act.

Rahuls' case is no justification of DV act in its present form. For every Rahul, there are as many cases where women have hurled abuses, tormented and lead men to commit suicide.

As for Rahul, you can not expect any different from a person who was caught in the middle of a drug scandal.
I pity Shweta's common sense to have agreed to marriage while the guy was still lurking in courts and police stations for heinous crimes.

Also, I can not imagine Shweta had not taunted(and verbally abused) Rahul for his involvement in drug scandal during their marriage.

Kiran is trying to equate all males/husbands to a drug addict like Rahul. That association and generalization is highly dangerous and misleading.

Yesterday only(telecasted on media under "basanti bani viru" news) a woman threatened suicide and forced not only the guy but the entire village to ask to marry her. This is when she already has a family and kids for last 6-8 years. How is this ransome justified. Now that girl will also issue a threate of false 498A case against her husband, if the husband does not give her a divorce and alimony as per what she thinks is suitable for her.

#347
Hardy
November 20, 2006
02:09 AM

> Which Idiots have said that domestic violence
> does not exist ...????

Kiran it is precisely you who has said it...I am not sure if you want to call yourself an idiot..

Everybody here agrees that Domestic violence exists...the fact is we have to realise that it exists a part of our family system and is not exclusive to a gender...Anybody male or female is capable of domestic violence as has been defined in our law...all people here are saying is that if stupid lawmakers like Renuka think that legislation baised heavily and totally in favour of wives is going to bring down domestic violence then is it utterly fascists and upright stupid.


#348
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
02:35 AM

Hardy

Kiran is trying to equate all males/husbands to a drug addict like Rahul.

So you have already judged him and called him a drug addict. Oh i thought you believed in that "everyone is innocent until proven guilty"???


I pity Shweta's common sense to have agreed to marriage while the guy was still lurking in courts and police stations for heinous crimes.

Like wise we also do not want to hear the ranting /opinions/views of all those men who are out on BAIL for dowry harrassment, and are still lurking in courts and police stations for henious crimes like dowry harrassment.


#349
Sumanth
URL
November 20, 2006
02:50 AM

Kiran of Feminist Cartel,

We love to hear your rants.

Please pass thousand laws. Nothing is going to change.

Dowry will not go away till women stop craving for a tall, dark, handsome, rich, high status, protector and provider.

Do not worry, all those child killer women who hate men will also hate their sons after divorcing their husbands.

Being feminists they will make sons non-competitive in a cruel world without freeing them from protecting and providing. They will also make sons emotionally weak.

These sons being abused by mothers will hate women and many will turn to crime.

Its all Karma and cycles in this world.

Free Boys from role of Protecting and Providing.

#350
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
02:53 AM

Rants huh?? Love it when you say that so helplessly.
Provoking does not work here....try something else.

Why should we FREE you. Do that job yourself!!!

#351
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
02:56 AM

Dowry will not go away till women stop craving for a tall, dark, handsome, rich, high status, protector and provider.


So men are put up for sale and thus prostitution huh?? The best product(man) for sale and service with a higher price(dowry).

What happened...your predictions were something else na on prostitution??

#352
Hardy
November 20, 2006
03:05 AM

> So you have already judged him and called him a
> drug addict. Oh i thought you believed in
> that "everyone is innocent until proven guilty"???

FYKI... Rahul was caught and then later found battling his life at Apollo under the overdose of drug...And it is certain as Rahul himself has admitted that he had taken the drug(knowingly or unknowingly). I am not labelling him as drug dealer for which prosecution will have to happen...what i am saying is he could be a drug addict.

Also based on media news( which is not a statistics) you may want to explore and brushup your views about Rahul at the following link...
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=68608


Kiran...Being not accused in 498A legally so far...I hope your biased view affects me the least...

Kiran, it takes about 3 years these days for the turn about and after that the "so called" vitims are exposed as the actual perpetrators and and then convicts and at last as criminals...

The issue is that these criminals do not get booked under 498A or DV acts but under other heinous crimes like 420, 506, blackmail, extortion, perjury(misleading courts and and lying under oath). Wait and watch the fun.

The problem is it takes double the amount to prosecute and convict such criminals.

#353
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
03:09 AM

Hardy

Point well taken and accepted

On a lighter note : Because you have not been implicated in 498a :)

But seriously you sometimes speak sense and point accepted.

#354
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
03:11 AM

hardy

It has been 25 years since dowry law . (3*8 =24)

Do you have any examples. Please feel free to change names and give us exanples.

#355
Hardy
November 20, 2006
03:20 AM

> But seriously you sometimes speak sense and point accepted.

I am yet to feel that about you...

> It has been 25 years since dowry law . (3*8 =24)

Thanks to the bias that was being perpetrated by women organizations all these years...but with people coming up to fight out this false propoganda, it will take lesser time to expose the nefarious designs of those women organizations...

It was only last year that Honorable SC came up with ruling that counter cases can be filed even while the current case is in progress...Wait and watch..

#356
Hardy
November 20, 2006
03:24 AM

If it was just to prove that the opposite party was a cheat...it would be the least of problems...a non issue for me at least...the underlying issue and the crux is that you have to fight out the system which includes police, lawyers and then sometimes the biased judiciary(which fortunately is fast realizing the truth about rampant abuse of the provisions of the law).

#357
Hardy
November 20, 2006
03:25 AM

Correction...
It was only "THIS" year(less than 6 months back) that Honorable SC came up with ruling that counter cases can be filed even while the current case is in progress...Wait and watch...

#358
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
03:26 AM

Hardy

Your are still here

I pity Shweta's common sense to have agreed to marriage while the guy was still lurking in courts and police stations for heinous crimes.

Like wise we also do not want to hear the ranting /opinions/views of all those men who are out on BAIL for dowry harrassment, and are still lurking in courts and police stations for henious crimes like dowry harrassment.

Ok waiting and watching....so 3 year funda claim is out(within one comment). Now can we have a christmas gift or some fixed time of results from you.


We DO NOT wait and watch. We DO SOMETHING AND GET RESULTS.

#359
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
03:29 AM

I am yet to feel that about you...

Then how different you are from Shweta...when you judged her common sense :) LOL. Why are you answering to me.



#360
Hardy
November 20, 2006
03:32 AM

BTW, My grudge is less or at least feeble with section 498A but more with the amendment to evidence act under Section 113B which puts the total onus on husband and family to prove that they are innocent.

#361
Kiran
URL
November 20, 2006
03:42 AM

BTW....where are you live examples.

till then bye

#362
null
URL
November 20, 2006
12:52 PM

I have not read TFLT (the f-ing law text, if it is even available) but I have a fairly basic question. What are the deficiencies (in law, not implementation) in the current laws against violence that this new act is supposed to ameliorate? What is the diff? Is it just that it puts higher fines in case of conviction? Or is it like the dowry laws, in that "presumed innocent until proven guilty" is revoked. In other words, what is the exact law? The article on the communist party page does not explain; and nor does the hindustan times article also linked above. Can some of the activists involved in its passage please explain?

Also, given that the current draconian laws against dowry/wife burnings haven't really improved things on ground, but just driven the rate of bribes higher; what purpose does this law serve other than to have more of the same?

#363
Sumanth
URL
November 20, 2006
02:29 PM

After DV law and 498a, there will be more violence and more battering of women.

The women will get fully beaten up, take alimony and live alone.

A man's mind is wired differently. Threats and emotional violence will make a man more violent physically. During that time men give a damn about laws and police. It triggers a do or die scenario in their brain.

Fear does not deter men. It reminds them of cave ages.

Threaten a man 10 times, the 11th time he will attack back.

If DV Laws are great, then why the hell 70% women are getting beaten up in Sweden as reported by UNFPA.

#364
Buzz
URL
November 26, 2006
04:08 AM

Its all an Un Democratic Law passed by certain Hon. Ministers to secure thier seats in the forth comming elections and encouraging Un Democracy in the Worlds Largest Democracy. Do they know that the very meany of Democracy means the Citizens are Equal??

They got this DV Act and the 498As by presenting some fake reports and Statestics!!

If these Ministers are true let them Abolish the Law which was created based upon a Report which the UN currently Disowns or atleast amend the Law adding a clause of if missues the Misusers and the parties supporting the Misusers should be punished with imprionment for the number of years the Case was dragged and fined too.

Read the Actual Facts and Statestics:

1. RADAR did an extensive search of the UN Population Fund's website. Nothing there! Then a Google search. No luck! So RADAR finally contacted the UNDP Information Office. The UNDP
employee was unable to find a statement in any UNDP publication that even resembled that statistic.

Conclusion: The phony 70% figure was concocted by someone whose agenda was something other than reporting the truth. Latest talk that UN has accepted their mistake and withdrawn their report - has our Ministers too who passed this law based on that report of UN withdrawn the law or forget even think of amending or punishing the Mis users?

Refer to the evidence at:
www.mediaradar.org./alert20061113.php
www.mediaradar.org/docs/UN-ViolenceReport-Resolution.pdf
www.mediaradar.org/un_violence_report_dv_quotes.php


2. How Bad Women can be?

vide en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack

From 2003 to 2004, women were more frequently involved in suicide attacks in the Middle East and elsewhere. In Messengers of Death: Female Suicide Bombers, Clara Beyler writes that women have
channeled the frustration stemming from their role in society into ruthless behavior.[6] This can demonstrate strength and power in societies where women have a submissive role. That women have become
more involved in suicide bombings makes it more difficult to profile a suicide bomber.

graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/09/10/international/0910BOMB
ERSch.gif ==> shows how ruthless women can be!!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_suicide_bombers

www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=nd05bloom

www.ipatrix.com/2004/09/08/the-female-terrorist/

www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=Assault+case%3A+Renuka+Chowdhary+discharged&id=70842

3. Women also Do:

Refer: www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19981209/34350394.html

www.ibnlive.com/news/act-wont-hit-good-hubbies-renuka/26051-3-single.html <- Tells she has pity for men, accepts it's a bad law and doesn't care for its misuse.

4. Suicide Statistics of India
It is a common perception in India about men driving women to suicide. This is a major hoax created by Gender Feminists and Media Bias.
The suicide statistics in India are presented from World Health Organisation(WHO) sources. One out of ten people dying due to suicide in world is an Indian.
www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1821/18210960.htm
It states that -- "The distribution of suicides by marital status reveals some interesting patterns. The rates do not vary much between the sexes for the never married. Among those currently married, while the rate for males is about 17 per 100,000 persons, the rate for females is 11.4 per 100,000. Among those widowed, while the rate for males is 21 per 100,000 persons, the rate for females is also significantly lower, at 6.6 per 100,000. However, among divorced males the suicide rate is 164 per 100,000 persons, but even in this class, among females the rate is only 63 per 100,000. While the suicide rate for separated men is about 167, for females it is only 41 per 100,000 persons. "

=============================================
National crime records bureau (NCRB) statistics about suicides:

ncrb.nic.in/ADSI-03.pdf
It states that - : "
The ratio of Male : Female victims of suicide was 63 : 37.
Nearly 44.7% of the suicide victims were married males while only 25% were married females."

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Refer: www.who.int/ncd/mip2000/presentations/LVijayakumar/sld001.htm
5. Political parties criticizing:
www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1842770,000900010004.htm

6. Every year atleast 50,000 families (out of 70,000 police FIRs on 498a) for nearly 15+ yrs (total 7 lkhs 50,000 families or around 0.5 crore persons) including intellectuals of the country (5% intellectuals responsible for infrastructure in most countries) (like scientists, phds, engineers, doctors) wasted their precious time, value, money for 5 to 8 yrs(minimum time it takes in any court for dowry law in india) declared as innocents by hight courts/supremecourts/session courts. These ppl lost faith, trust on the justice system and governance of the country. Many out of these ppl (very elders) depressed, died, diseased, lived in fear cursing at courts at old age before dying. See how the resources of the country wasted for nothing. who is responsible for this? Is this the way country use/d intellectuals or resources for the country.

No one cares poor real suffering several women who not even inside this 100% 498a cases.

7. A small count of the Misuse just from Bangalore
Wipro Bangalore - 1300
Whole Bangalore - 3200
97% Husbands from IT, 3% from rest of the fields.
Whole India across the last 6 years - 96% Misused, 4% Actual

(Crime Is Crime. Punishment should be irrespective of gender, religion and caste. Let us be honest and fight for truth)
www.mynation.net/
www.indiatalking.com/blog/swarup
www.saveindianfamily.org/blogs/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Q4Q6lrGWQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbl3BzQYlxg
groups.yahoo.com/group/SaveIndianSociety/
www.498a.org/contents/video/ZeeCrimeFiles_498a_Part4.mpeg
www.telegraphindia.com/1050913/asp/nation/story_5231379.asp
youtube.com/watch?v=K7FfmdkLUBU
swarup1973.instablogs.com/
dvact.awardspace.com

#365
Righta
URL
November 26, 2006
09:50 PM

In a related issue: DV Act is blatantly misused and this time the victim is none other than Mr.Azim Premji of Wipro, one of the Richest Men in India, and a normal tax paying citizen(whose fundamental rights, supposedly protected by our Constitution!)

There's no dating allowance: Premji
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/556309.cms

BANGALORE: IT bellwether Wipro Ltd denied it had any "dating
allowance" for its employees and declined to comment on reports of a summons issued by a court on a complaint by the spouse of an employee.

In a statement here, the company said it had not received any notice from the Kanpur court so far.

"We would like to categorically state we don't have a dating
allowance in any form and hence cannot elaborate on this alleged issue. We have no formal intimation on this, the statement said.

The denial came following the reported summons from chief additional metropolitan magistrate of Kanpur Ravindra Kumar to Wipro chairman Azim H. Premji and human resource department head Pratik Kumar on a writ petition filed by Tripti Nigam from that city alleging the company was providing a dating allowance to her husband, Gaurav
Nigam, working in Wipro Technologies as a software engineer.

The complainant had alleged that her husband was keeping away from her and has not been visiting Kanpur since he was getting a dating allowance from the company.
******************* Epilogue*************
Ex-wives vent ire on new law http://www.ibnlive.com/news/exwives-vent-ire-on-new-law/26999-3.html

Arunima
CNN-IBN

Posted Saturday , November 25, 2006 at 10:19
Updated Saturday , November 25, 2006 at 10:26
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WOMEN'S WOES: Wives feel the Act has masked the real problem by granting the same rights to live-in partners.


New Delhi: "Only my son and I know how we manage to live. There are loans after loans and inspite of a job, it's not an easy life what with my son's tuition fee and the expensive standards of living."
This is Poornima Kharga's lament. Poornima - a theatre artist - has been fighting for the last six years to get maintenance from her husband who walked out of their marriage leaving her and their 11-year-old son with no financial support.
Poornima was banking heavily on the Domestic Violence Act so that her husband would give her maintenance or face punishment under the law, but now even that ray of hope is fading, and her life's tragedies are now like the plays she acts in.
The new law gives as much right to her husband's live in partner as it does to her.
"The law has to find a solution. This way any man can start living with someone and not give any maintenance to the wife," says she.
Poornima works with the National School of Drama and it's her only source of income, but her contract ends next year and finances are a constant worry.
Says Supreme Court lawyer, Geeta Luthra, "The act provides that maintenance has to be given to both the live-in partner as well as the wife. It is obviously an attack on the rights of the wife."
For the first time, an act of law has made live in legal in India. According to UK laws, a live-in partner gets maintenance only after two years of living together, but the Domestic Violence Act makes no such distinction - a loophole, which lawyers say can be easily exploited.
The Domestic Violence Act promised the world to people like Poornima, but all in vain.
In fact they now feel that the Act has now masked the real problem by granting the same rights to the live-in partner.
Lawyers feel it's now up to the judges to interpret the law in such a way that the institution of marriage is saved from this apprehended attack

************ A comment to the above article, where the Legal Wife's honour and rights are left in the lurch!*********

This is horrible and seemingly from the stone age!. In this report the first wife was never divorced when the husband seemingly went on to have a live-in relationship (which may not be actually illegal since technically there is no marriage between this new girl and the husband of Poornima, and hence there is technically no offence of Bigamy, arguably there is only an issue of desertion).

The real issue which is worrying for all legal wives is that, a living partner (girl)/a girl friend or girl/lady who even "claims" to have a relation akin to marriage (even while the legal wife is also existing side by side!) is readily given rights on the man's property/income, equal to the rights of a legal wife.

This way the loosely drafted and even more shoddily enforced(what can anyone even say when Wipro's Azim Premji himself can be falsely accused of the offence of abetting domestic violence supposedly done by a Wipro employee) Domestic Violence Act is actually instrumental in bestowing a 'girl friend/live-in partner' with the position/rights of a 'legally wedded wife', and , more importantly, there by actually pushing, a legal wife into jeopardy and uncertainty and by making her a victim of possible misuse of this Law/Act by the unscrupulous "other woman".

This misuse can even take away all the rights of a legal wife(for example: the "other woman" could claim that she is the first wife by virtue of her conjugal relationship with the man in question, which is allegedly preceding the legal wedding!, in which case she can even file a case for nullification of the 'legal/factual' marriage and get the 'wife' into hell a lot of trouble including denying her any rights to the man's property, and, worse!, a possible frivolous prosecution against the 'legal wife', by falsely accusing her with offences of abetting bigamy(now, the "legal wife" becomes the offender!, and the other woman actually could acquire the status of the "genuinely aggrieved victim-wife!")
The situation elucidated above can be very easily achieved by the "other woman", and she could actually acquire the status of the "genuinely aggrieved victim-wife!"- if she plays her cards well, which many wicked vixens are capable of, hands down!).

There by actually giving "Bigamy" a silent nod of approval, legal sanctity and legal protection of the protection of rights!(for the other woman, who is not technically a wife!).

The law is contradicting the LAW itself!....... DV Act is in direct contradiction of "Laws/protection against Bigamy", against protection/rights of Legally wedded wife, against rights/protection of other dependants of the man like his elderly and dependant parents!

************TOI news Report: Wipro DV Act the True Picture**********
Was Wipro staffer beaten by wife? : K R Sreenivas & Mini Joseph | TNN Publication:Times Of India Delhi; Date:Nov 26, 2006; Section:Times Nation; Page Number:14

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=Q0FQLzIwMDYvMTEvMjYjQXIwMTQwMw==&Mode=HTML&Locale=english

Bangalore: Gaurav Nigam, a Wipro employee whose wife has sued company chairman Azim Premji for providing a 'dating allowance', took a curious turn on Saturday when Gaurav accused his wife, Tripti, of beating him.

Backed by NGOs -- Asha Kiran and Save Indian Family Foundation, Gaurav who spoke to TOI on phone from Delhi said he wasn't paid any dating allowance and she was dragging Wipro chairman's name just to ''harass me''.

Gaurav (32) has been working for Wipro for the last six years as technical consultant. He has now taken a temporary transfer to the Gurgaon office of Wipro to fight legal battles. Gaurav alleged his wife used to hit him after arguments over petty issue. ''She would pressurise me to transfer the ownership of the Sarjapur Road house and the car into her name and when I would refuse, she would beat me,'' he said.

Gaurav alleged Tripti filed a case against him and his family stating that they had gone to her Kanpur house to kill her, but he could prove with documents that Tripti was in Bangalore as she had a phone connection installed on that day. Based on that complaint, the police had arrested his parents, but later he filed a case in the court and got them released.

#366
Kiran
November 26, 2006
11:51 PM

In a more related issue and the LATEST

Apparently all the WIVES of wipro employess TOGETHER and UNITEDLY have filed a mass DV act on Azim Premji. It does reflect very well on him

I am very sure a public apology is on the way either by him or through his lawyers. The professional and humble man that he is, it will come!!

WAIT AND WATCH

(His Lawyers will say and it will go something like this...: our client(azim) did not mean to break families, His intentions were not such. But still if some people feel offended by the dating allowance then my client would like to apologise to them.....so on)

I can see alot of boats of expecations sinking.

And there goes down gaurav and his allegations and his 2 mins of fame.

Now are you going to say that all 10000s of wipro employees' wives beat their husbands?????just coz their wives too filed the DV act on Azim!!!!!

More to come.

Wonder wonder what were Guarav's real intentions?/ Most articles in which he has got coverage read as "did this wipro employee get beaten by his wife/" Kinda doubtful huh?

And now with this ie mass DV act on Azim, gaurav is in huge trouble. He will not only be ridiculed by his peers but no one will ever believe a word he ever says.

Next time slow down before jumping to the bandwagon.

We will see how fascists will survive in this country and not a single man will escape after abusing whether physically or verbally.. This is not the issue of gender, caste or religion. The days of "male domination" of brainwashing false propaganda is over as every human/women wakes up for her rights.



#367
Righta
URL
November 27, 2006
01:55 PM

Winnie Pooo jaaaaa. Apparently hmmmmmmmmmm

Apparently Osama was caught 100 times till today

Apparently, or what?

#368
Kiran
URL
November 27, 2006
02:02 PM

So were the threats of section 500 given 500000 times. :)

Apparently ..similarly.

Your vulnerability is a delight

#369
Santosh Kapadia
November 27, 2006
07:43 PM

Azim Premji. &#61514; That is truly hilarious. If each and every word of the journalists was to be taken seriously, then half the India would be behind bars. And then it would be section 500the most widely used law in India. But it isn't and there are reasons for it. Because half the people are guilty and cry defamation when they are guilty and thus never go on to use section 500. Likely -very much likely. Thus section 500 is the most under used law in India for this very reason. The fact that Azim Premji has maintained a dignified silence so far , there is something to it. When he speaks the whole of India will listen. He is not one to take it down lying down. So lets wait and watch out for his version.
Another revealing article has been bitten by the virus called S*F. From one thread to another the bawling goes on and on. The whining just does not stop. From one thread to another thread, it has been going on since the past fucking 6 months now. What the fuck men--grow UP. They suffer from misogynosis , have blind hatred towards women and have illusions of being victims, holler on each and every thread whenever the word women and her rights are mentioned. Go see a shrink man to take care of your insecurities.

Even so the live pictures of the battered woman will not sink into their brains that there is someone out there suffering. You call yourselves save Indian family? What bull is that? What have you done to counsel fellow human beings to behave in more civilized way. Your lingo, words and calling every woman a prostitute is a sign of the looser. Using words like Suprnaka and ravana are done because you cannot offer a good argument or reason or sense. Of course talking sensible is alien to you all.

To me you all seem mere victims of your own deflated ego, where your wife has deserted you and you are all alone.

Stop indulging in self -pity.

Because of this deadly loneliness and inferiority complexes and self-made victims, it results in you all spewing venom on other men too who seem to make you see sense and reason. I strongly suggest you get yourself helped and hire a shrink.

Cut it out and let us readers enjoy some political and social discussions with a difference here.

#370
Righta
URL
November 28, 2006
09:11 AM

For Political and social discussions go to some other section in DC. For misuse of law type here!. U don't get it do you?, or u don't want to get it, until u have it right royally by a law misusing woman!?.

Who is saying that woman are not victimsed, we are just saying that men are also victimised. Its time for all of us to see that criminals of both genders are oppressing the vulnerable of both genders, so any gender per se is not the root cause of all these troubles, its the growing criminality cutting across genders, and its the law makers apathy towards victimisation of people from both genders.

Because of the above trend women(who are disadvantaged/oppressed) are not getting justice, since some unscrupulous women misuse the law(one such example is illustrated in comment #365: Ex-wives vent ire on new law http://www.ibnlive.com/news/exwives-vent-ire-on-new-law/26999-3.html , where the live-in partner is reducing the chances of natural justice due to the legal wife , in the name of Domestic violence law!- these are the angles which we need to be wary of, its so obviously available for misuse!)

After all no one expects that the same very law which is made(which is supposed to be made) to protect the weak and disadvantaged, becomes the weapon by which unscrupulous and diabolic characters oppresses and eliminates them.

#371
Righta
URL
November 28, 2006
12:12 PM

UN RESOLUTION (Against Domestic Violence Laws(As-they-exists!) world over):Regarding the UN Study on Violence Against Women

Full text with weblinks for the references, at: http://at498a.blogspot.com/2006/11/un-resolution-against-domestic.html

RESOLUTION
Regarding the UN Study on Violence Against Women
1. Whereas, the World Health Organization has reported that twice as many men die from
violence-related causes as women,1
2. Whereas, men are more than three-times more likely than women to die from injuries
sustained from armed conflict,1
3. Whereas, 3.5 times as many men commit suicide worldwide as women, 1
4. Whereas, in almost every country around the world, men have shorter life expectancies than
women, reaching a 13-year disparity in the Russian Federation,2
5. Whereas, a compilation of 195 scientific studies of partner violence concludes, "women are
as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with spouses or
male partners,"3
6. Whereas, according to a Statistics Canada report, 7% of women and 6% of men report
violence by a current or previous partner in the previous five years.4
7. Whereas, according to a recent international study of severe violence among dating couples,
55% was mutual violence, 16% was male-only, and 29% of violence was female-only.5
8. Whereas, the president of the American Psychological Association has recently noted that
"Several studies of domestic violence have suggested that males and females in relationships
have an equal likelihood of acting out physical aggression,"6
9. Whereas, reports from Africa reveal that domestic violence against men is widespread, but
men are reluctant to report the abuses,7,8
And
10. Whereas, the United Nations recently released the Secretary-General's Study on Violence
Against Women,
11. Whereas, the report ignores the fact that half of all partner violence is mutual, and glosses
over the problem of male victimization altogether, 9
12. Whereas, the report uses misandrous and inflammatory language such as "patriarchal" in
falsely stereotyping men,
13. Whereas, leading family violence researchers around the world have criticized the report's
portrayal of domestic violence as being "biased" and ensuring "that both women and men
will continue to be victimised in this way,"10
And
14. Whereas, programs similar to those proposed by the Secretary-General's report have caused
undesirable outcomes for women,11
15. Whereas, the report fails to require persons who allege domestic violence to provide
objective evidence of abuse, and false allegations are known to result in harm to children,12
16. Whereas, the report also calls for stronger law enforcement and prosecution efforts, which
have been shown to result in widespread violations of due process protections,13
17. Whereas, the result of such domestic violence programs has been to weaken families, bias
divorce proceedings, and deprive children of contact from their fathers.14
2
Therefore, the undersigned organizations urgently call on the Third Committee to:
1. Simply "Note" (but not "Welcome") the recent Secretary-General's report.
2. Discourage implementation of the recommendations of the Study on Violence Against
Women until its effects on families and children are analyzed and understood.
3. Request incoming UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to undertake a counterpart Study on
Violence against Men.
Mark Rosenthal
RADAR: Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting
Australia:
James Adams
Dads on the Air
Tony Miller
Dads in Distress
James Adams
Fathers 4 Equality
Barry Williams
Lone Fathers' Association
Micheal Woods
Men's Health Information
& Resource Centre
Sue Price
Men's Rights Agency
John Flanagan
Non-Custodial Parents
Party
Edward Dabrowski
Shared Parenting Council
of Australia
Belgium:
Jan Van Baelen
Families for Justice
Canada:
Lise Bilodeau
ANCQ (Action Nouvelles
Conjointes du Qubec)
Georges Dupuy
Coalition pour la Dfense
des Droits des Hommes du
Qubec
Earl Silverman
Family of Men Support
Society
Brian Jenkins
Fathers are Capable, Too:
Parenting Association
Kris Titus
Fathers 4 Justice -
Canada
Daniel Laforest
Fathers-4-Justice Qubec
Jean Marie Pomerleau
Fathers-4-Justice -
Outaouais, Qubec
Jean-Claude Boucher
l'Aprs-Rupture, Ateliers
pour les Liens Pre-
Enfants, Inc.
Brian Johnson
Regina Shared Parenting
Network
Czech Republic:
Miroslav Kapr
Aliance pro Deti a Rodice
Jiri Solc
Cesky Svaz Muzu
Jiri Fiala
K213
Jiri Vodicka
PVVP
Lubos Patera
Spravedlnost Detem
France:
Bertrand Giraud
L'Enfant et Son Droit
Germany:
Grigori Gurewitsch
Dssel Mums & Dads
Dr. Eugen Maus
MANNDAT
Thomas Sochart
Vaeter Aktuell
3
Greece:
Nicolas Spitalas
Sos Sygapa (Men's and
Father's Dignity)
Ireland:
Mary Cleary
AMEN (Abused Men)
Daniel Desmond
Christian Democrats/The
National Party
Nora Bennis
Mothers At Home
Roger Eldridge
National Men's Council of
Ireland
Malta:
John Zammit, Ph.D.
Association for Men's
Rights
Netherlands:
Peter A.N. Tromp, PhD
Dutch Foundation for
Child and Access
Peter A.N. Tromp, PhD
Familyrights4Europe
Eugen Hockenjos
Fathercare Knowledge
Centre Europe
Ad Verdiesen
Gescheiden Vaders
Nederland (Divorced Dads
of the Netherlands)
Theo M. Nieuwenhuizen,
PhD
Stichting Ouders zonder
Omgang
(Dutch Foundation of
Parents without Access)
New Zealand:
Jim Bailey
HandsOnEqualParent
Trust
South Africa:
Steven Pretorius, MBChB
Fathers4Justice South
Africa
United Kingdom:
Shaun O'Connell
Family Links International
John Bannon
Environmental Law Centre
Erin Pizzey
International Founder of
Refuges (Shelters) for
Victims of Domestic
Violence
Stephen Fitzgerald
The ManKind Initiative
Dave Mortimer
Men's Aid
USA:
Mike McCormick
American Coalition for
Fathers and Children
David Usher
American Coalition for
Fathers and Children -
Missouri
Tom Smith
American Union for Men
Rinaldo Del Gallo III
Berkshire Fatherhood
Coalition
Susan Wolpin
Bucks County FACE
Harry Crouch
California Men's Center,
San Diego
Sally Jacobs
Center for Children's
Justice - Carolinas
Chapter
James Hays
Coalition of Fathers and
Families, NY
Mark Charalambous
CPF/The Fatherhood
Coalition
Paul Clements
DADD-NH
Bruce Eden
Dads Against
Discrimination (DADS )--
New Jersey
James Blackstone
DADS - Alabama Chapter
James Semerad
DADS and MOMS of
Michigan
Michael Burns
Dialogue on Sustainable
Community
George Gilliland
Domestic Rights Coalition
Bob Batterbee
Equal is Equal
Charles Corry, PhD
Equal Justice Foundation
4
Michael Ross
Family Rights Coalition of
Michigan
Angela Pedersen
"Father:" A Child's Right
Mike East
F.A.T.H.E.R.S.
Jeff Golden
Fathers' and Children's
Equality (FACE)
Dan Hogan
Fathers and Families
Jamil Jabr
Fathers for Justice
Ron Jagannathan
Fathers for Virginia
Alan Rusmisel
Fathers 4 Justice --
Alabama
Joseph Mixon
Fathers 4 Justice - New
Hampshire
Carl Steppling
Florida Coalition for
Families and Children
Tony Spalding
Florida Dads
Don Mathis
The Fourteen Percenter
Alan Millard
Men and Fathers for
Justice
Scott Garman
Men's Activism News
Network
Jeffrey Dick
Men's Custody Shelter
Network
Tom Golden
Men's Equality Conference
Michael G. Rother
National Coalition of Free
Men
Deborah Watkins
National Coalition of Free
Men-- Dallas/Fort Worth
Chapter
Marc Angelucci
National Coalition of Free
Men--Los Angeles
Chapter
Michael Geanoulis
National Congress for
Fathers and Children --
New Hampshire Chapter
Marty Nemko
National Organization for
Men
Joe Mastromarino, MD
NH Commission on the
Status of Men
Marc Snider
NHCustody.org
Grayson Walker, Ph.D.
Parents Without Rights
Judith Brumbaugh
Restoration of the Family
David Burroughs
Safe Homes For Children
and Families Coalition
Lee Newman
SAFE (Stop Abuse for
Everyone)- International
Debra Roy/Joanie Comeau
SAFE (Stop Abuse for
Everyone)-NH
Pastor Kenneth Deemer
Shattered Men
Teri Stoddard
Shared Parenting Works
Lisa Scott
TABS: Taking Action
against Bias in the System
Terri Lynn Tersak
True Equality Network
June Marsh
True Equality Network -
Alaska
Tammy Sears
True Equality Network -
Arizona
Carol Johnson
True Equality Network -
California
Eve Smith
True Equality Network -
Colorado
Alice Barnard
True Equality Network -
Florida
5
Karla Stavich
True Equality Network -
Georgia
Gina Holleran
True Equality Network -
Illinois
Julie Garafollo
True Equality Network -
Iowa
Jane Tomaccicio
True Equality Network -
Maryland
Ashley Carnes
True Equality Network -
Massachusetts
Susan Austin
True Equality Network -
Michigan
Christine Hoffen
True Equality Network -
New Hampshire
Kris Whitehall
True Equality Network -
New Jersey
Loraine Martin
True Equality Network -
Oregon
Tina Jordan
True Equality Network -
North Dakota
Kathy Michaels
True Equality Network -
Pennsylvania
Marsha Folley
True Equality Network -
Tennessee
Jackie Meyers
True Equality Network -
Texas
Sylvia Domeco
True Equality Network -
Utah
Janice Larken
True Equality Network -
Virginia
Debbie Weltz
True Equality Network -
Wisconsin
Pete Kerr
Walk for Children

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2 United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs: World Mortality Report 2005. New York City, NY,
2006.
3 Fiebert MS. References examining assaults by women on their spouses or male partners: An annotated
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10 RADAR Press Release: UN report criticized as deliberately biased. Rockville, MD: Respecting Accuracy in
Domestic Abuse Reporting, October 23, 2006.
11 RADAR: Six reasons why VAWA is bad for women. 2006.
http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/VAWAIsBadForWomen-flyer.pdf
12 RADAR: Perverse incentives, false allegations, and forgotten children. 2006.
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13 RADAR: Bias in the judiciary: The case of domestic violence. 2006.
14 RADAR: Without restraint: The use and abuse of domestic restraining orders. 2006.
http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/VAWA-Restraining-Orders.pdf
November 4, 2006

#372
Santosh Kapadia
November 28, 2006
01:08 PM

Aman

I am sure you do not enjoy this kind of drivel that is vomited everyday. Just look at the lunacy and immaturity of this guy righta. Does his comment make sense even remotely? What the hell does he desire?

Righta you say that unscrupulous women are misusing the law and therefore genuine women don't get to use it. Is there a QUOTA on this too? Like for example only 100 women can use it!! You talk, speak and utter only baloney--hoping against hope that one place you may get a miserable hit.. What can be expected of a ludicrous man who paints his wife's private picture in public and put it up on his site shamelessly? God bless that woman and my best wishes are with her.!!

#373
Sumanth
URL
November 28, 2006
02:40 PM

Its obvious that Most Indian Bloggers lack common sense, individuality and capability to investigate (anything). So, Indian Blogosphere sucks and the blog-camps turn out to be massive failures.

Most of them link to MSM and talk some non-sense and scratch each others back.

All they do is to look at a "Mai Baap".

For them MSM is a Mai Baap.
For them a FIRANG is a Mai Baap.
For them, US is a Mai Baap.
For them, UN is a Mai Baap.

When will these idiots learn to think with a mind of their own?

Even if one accepts that women are oppressed that does not mean, feminists have a right to indulge in spreading "Mass Hatred".

None of these idiots have ever told the feminists that they should give rational arguments in stead of indulging in rhetoric, breaking chairs in courts, outright lying. These idiots could have told the feminists that by indulging in radical extremism, the women's issues will get harmed.

It is very clear now, that radical feminists have done serious harm to "equity feminism". Why no one tells them to stop hijacking. Renuka said, "it is not a bad idea for men to suffer". No rational, logical blogger has told her not to damage the women's causes.

The present DV Act is just a Symptomatic Solution and it will go nowhere. We in SIF have no problem with any law. We only want people to know the laws and decide if they are useful or not.

Make thousand laws and trap hundred CEOs. The only way women can get empowered is when CEOs of firms start running around courts every month.

#374
A.K Rathor
URL
November 28, 2006
05:13 PM

And some over matured heads do not understand a simple logic that false cases eat time, energy and resources of our over-burdened judiciary on the cost of genuine cases. Justice delayed is Justice denied. Just because such a large number of false cases (98% in case of 498A) are encouraged today, genuine cases like of 'MATOO's' are taking decades to reach its conclusion.
I hope, Mr. Kapadia #372 finds some SENSE here...

#375
FrontView
November 29, 2006
12:47 AM

Righta..."Santosh Kapadia"(who appears to be a paramour of your ex) mentioned that you had put of snap of the your ex "The Terrorist bitch" somewhere on internet. Please provide the URL. Rest assured i will ensure it gets publicized appropriately.

#376
Santosh Kapadia
URL
November 29, 2006
01:30 AM

Front View

Who to me seems like righta himself in another name!!!

Tell me which paper, I will give you MY snap. Tell me your address, and I shall send you my picture. Do you think you sound like a journalist?? The language that you have used reflects clearly how frustrated and angry you are when the conversation does not even seem to involve you.

Take it easy and have a good day!!

#377
FrontView
November 29, 2006
01:47 AM

Righta...please oblige me...

Santosh Kapadia...I am uninterested in your profile...I could however easily read it via your comments...On another note I want others to be aware of Righta's ex whose profile as claimed by you can be fetched from internet...so that i can warn other's to avoid falling into the trap laid by her and her accomplices.

#378
Santosh Kapadia
November 29, 2006
02:46 AM

And are you the judge?

I guess it is you guys who preach that everyone is innocent until proven guilty? So if a man says wife is a maniac then it is beaware, BUT if the women cries rape, then everyone is innocent until proven guilty.....there you go, a spider caught in his own web.

Carry on with your tirade.


So which newspaper were you going to produce the pictures, I am very much interested in your profile, which newspaper are you working for......so I can get that discontinued!! ( you do not have the guts to come foward lest someone files a DV act on you for using verbal abuse). I am still awaiting the address and information, whenever you muster up some courage do come forward.

I still say God bless that woman since she sure seems to be enjoying her life in peace and not making a fool of herself here.

Get a life you men, you put the rest of us in ignominy.



#379
FrontView
November 29, 2006
03:46 AM

> And are you the judge?

Yes i am the judge of my conscience...A conscience which is vivid and alive unlike yours which is dead and strewed. You believe in distortion and at best twisting of facts and I believe in projecting truths.

>So if a man says wife is a maniac then it is
> beaware, BUT if the women cries rape,
> then everyone is innocent until proven
> guilty.....there you go, a spider caught
> in his own web.
Now, That is a conjuncture the proof of which is best known to you.


> Carry on with your tirade.
Yes let us Carry on our crusade against fascists feminist forces.

> So which newspaper were you going
> to produce the pictures,
> I am very much interested in your profile,
> which newspaper are you working for
> ...
> you muster up some courage do come forward.

SIF is gaining ground into all kind of mainstream media...Which newspapers/magazines will you be interested in suing under DV Acts and likes...

> I still say God bless that woman since
> she sure seems to be enjoying her life
> in peace and not making a fool of
> herself here.

Yes, that money hungry woman will be enjoying her husbands hard earned money...but for how long... Wells/Rivers all dry up if not replenished...she will at last have to beg on the highway for a part time husband to full fill her needs and greeds...Yeah as an alternative she can also get elected as part of 33% reservation being conned by our parliament.

#380
Righta
URL
November 29, 2006
03:57 AM

Some chose to remain indifferent, unaware and will blabber about non-issues till they are left without clothes or defense at the hands of a law mis-user/oppressor (jab thak khudka Kapda nahin uthartha, woh Santosh se bekhabar, bekhayal aur khadoos rehthe hein). Some go down with their Ship of petty/false-ego and idiosyncrasies(trying to live a dignified life, all the while living/being a part in a "Truman's show"!). Some could be rescued, and be made helpful to the society they live in, hence my further efforts in this direction!.

Referring to comment#372: if u want to clarify my personal dispositions, send me an email or call me, since u seem to be fixated with my issues!, and actions therein- I offer myself to relieve you from your worries about my personal issues J. For a start let me sound you off by saying that, once law enters in between a couple, there will be only legal actions/recourses left, and not actions of normal/human brain or heart - that's another burning issue with the increasing legal intervention in Indian marriages and social traditions- well covered(the Cover Story itself) by the latest Issue of India today, December 4, 2006).

As they say "This is a court of law, not a court of Justice!", likewise these are unfortunately sad and futile battles of law, not of soft emotions, patience, empathy, wits or Tolerance. Try to appreciate the fact that law once misused against someone, leaves him with no other chance other than to(try and) deliver a fitting legal proceeding/salvo to counter and defend it........ which may well seem even more uncouth, gory and inhumane to a third party- but that's the characteristic of any war, where everything's fair. That's exactly why Indian Family should not be pushed into this path of war, by was of lack/absence of checks and balances.

By the virtue of the loosely drafted, draconic, gender-skewed laws like Domestic Violence and I.P.C 498a, more law misusers take advantage of these laws, than genuine sufferers. Worse than this fact is the incidents like the one mentioned in the comment #365 (Ex-wives vent ire on new law , where the live-in partner is reducing the chances of natural justice due to the legal wife , in the name of Domestic violence law.)

Even if one argues that incidents like the one above are exceptions, what about the 1000s of innocent families including husbands, his aged mother and father, his unmarried sisters, married sisters along with their minor children and husbands, lady neighbours/maids, or anyone who the law misusing parties decide to falsely accuse and implicate?, aren't they suffering because of the misuse of law?.

Where is the maxim of law which is supposed to ensure that even if 100 criminals escape, not even a single innocent will be punished(the protracted legal/police proceedings itself kills half of the falsely accused persons, so the status of being accused itself is a punishment, as supreme court has rightly acknowledged in a related judgment where this trend of law misuse was rightly termed as "legal terrorism". Read more about this Supreme Court judgement at: http://cruiserdeep.blogspot.com/2006/01/i-had-posted-below-petition-at-sites.html

*********** Quoting excerpt from the above link*****************
The supreme court judgment(in the writ number 141 of 2005) acknowledges that there is rampant misuse of 498a. Especially when Supreme Court of India acknowledges that misuse of 498A is on the rise, and has hinted that the legislature may have to find ways to deal with misusers of 498A, terming this trend as Legal Terrorism. And implicitly directing other indian courts by saying "Till then the courts have to take care of the situation within the existing framework.

The excerpt of this judgment, regarding misuse of 498a, in writ petition No.141 of 2005 of Supreme Court is reproduced below:

*************** Excerpt of the Supreme Court Judgment ***************

"The object of provision is prevention of the dowry menace. But as has been rightly contented by the petitioner, many instances have come to light where the complaints are not bonafide and have been filed with oblique motive. In such cases acquittal of the accused does not in all cases wipe out the ignominy suffered during and prior to trial. Sometimes adverse media coverage adds to the misery. The question, therefore, is what remedial measures can be taken to prevent the abuse of well-intentioned provision. Merely because the provision is constitutional and intra vires, does not give a license to unscrupulous person to wreck personal vendetta or unleash harassment. It may, therefore become necessary for the legislature to find out ways how the makers of frivolous complaints or allegations can be appropriately dealt with. Till then the courts have to take care of the situation within the existing framework. As noted above the object is to strike at the roots of dowry menace. But by misuse of the provision a new legal terrorism can be unleashed. The provision is intended to be used as a shield and not as an assassin's weapon. If cry of wolf is made too often as a prank assistance and protection may not be available when the actual wolf appears. There is no question of investigation agency and courts casually dealing with the allegations. They cannot follow any straitjacket formula in the matters relating to dowry tortures, deaths and cruelty. It cannot be lost sight of that ultimate objective of every legal system is to arrive at truth, punish the guilty and protect the innocent. There is no scope for any pre-conceived notion or view. It is strenuously argued by the petitioner that the investigating agencies and courts start with the presumption that accused persons are guilty and that the complainant is speaking the truth. This is too wide available and generalized statement. Certain statutory presumptions are drawn which again are rebuttable. It is to be noted that the role of investigating agencies and the courts is that of watch dog and not of a bloodhound. It should be their effort to see that innocent person is not made to suffer on account of unfounded, baseless and malicious allegations. It is equally indisputable that in many cases no direct evidence is available and the courts have to act on circumstantial evidence while dealing with such cases, the law laid down relating to circumstantial evidence has to be kept in view."

The above S.C ruling clearly shows that the judiciary is silently trying to do its best to avoid IPC section 498a being used as a weapon in the hands of assailants, we are sure that the Police force too will follow the same attitude towards 498a accusations, which are found to be false in more than 75% of all the reported cases.

*********** Unquote**********

I hope that from the above arguments it "may" be clear to most of the articulate readers that these skewed laws bring more misery to people(including women), than justice to genuinely agrrieved. So the need of the hour is to make laws like Domestic Violence Law, IPC 498a, etc. "difficult"(if not impossible) to be misused, at the same time facilitating legal recourse to the genuinely aggrieved people.

Domestic violence laws are being criticised even at UN, because of the proven rate and scale of abuse in US, Africa and elsewhere(DV is VAWA-Violence Against Women Act, in US). For the ready reference of the articulte readers, the link is: http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/UN-ViolenceReport-Resolution.pdf (the text of which is pasted in comment# 371)

Finally.... this is how the women's right activists come (cook/fudge/manufacture/doctor/immaculately conceive!) up with 70% domestic violence(rape, physical abuse, etc.) in India!: http://www.mediaradar.org/alert20061113.php , these statistics are concocted and then perpetuated by high profile spokesmen(like Brinda Karat, Renuka Choudary, etc., in the fond hope that it gets a cloak of credibility/autheticity over a period of time!, while there's no verifiable source for such statistics(or rather, figments of fertile and diabolically skewed imagination!), even though they claim the source for this "70%" figure is some UN documents(supposedly this figure was mentioned in a U.N. Population Fund report, of 2005- but no one could find it anymore!- Abacadabra...... it must have went pooofff ), read the above link to know the full saga of conspiracy behind these kinds of false propaganda, exposed by RADAR (Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting - is a non-profit, non-partisan organization of men and women working to assure that the problem of domestic violence is treated in a balanced and effective manner.)

#381
Righta
URL
November 29, 2006
04:08 AM

Renuka's Tryst with Dowry cases and Domestic Violence Act
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Brothers and Sisters

The Domestic Violence Act promulgated this Deepavali day is bound to rob honest men (and their parents and sisters) their civil rights

It is an unique piece of legislation that gives un surpassed powers to the wife to file cases against the husband AND his parents relatives

Renuka Chaudry, [now minister] who got this Domestic Violence Act promulgated seems to have a long history of filing dowry cases !

Read below a news items of Renuka Chaudry

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1021027/asp/nation/story_1329371.asp

Renuka's [ FALSE ?? ] dowry case against her son in law ?

| Sunday, October 27, 2002 |

Renuka in dowry battle

Hyderabad, Oct. 26: Congress MP Renuka Chowdhary has filed a complaint against daughter Poojitas in-laws, accusing them of harassment for dowry, says our special correspondent.

Poojita was married to London-based opthalmologist Satya Sai Prasad a few months ago.

Renuka called on police officials and chief minister Chandrababu Naidu recently after filing the complaint on October 18.

Poojita's father-in-law, Lajpat Roy, a British national, was arrested at the airport when he arrived in Hyderabad from London. [Note : elders are the MOST abused in such cases. Many innocent mothers / fathers have been arrested :-( ]

He was released on bail.

The police had so far kept the issue under wraps.

#382
Santosh Kapadia
URL
November 29, 2006
12:35 PM

Frontview

which newspaper? Sif has a newspaper, which one? I want to know in which newspaper you were going to publish the pic that you so arrogantly and foolishly boasted of. When no sane argument is possible then you all resort to PHILOSPHY AND NAMECALLING. Which you just did and it is a good read to everyone.

Righta
I think if you may remember I told you once that I think you know 'best' which you acknowledged. Thanks for the offer of letting me call you(becuase I know you will actually give me your number/address and not resort to philosphy lecture like frontview). But I wont call you as nothing is bothering me in my personal life. Yes it bothers me that when people have to part ways why make a scene?? As I said before too, I dont see any wives making an issue out of it and embarassing themselves here!! Regarding the same happening to me, well that is your wishful thinking. It will not happen.

#383
Righta
URL
November 30, 2006
12:27 AM

Without going to the details of how u r still seemingly fixated on my personal issues, let me try to inform u how no one, repeat, no one who is an Indian, or who is not an Indian! is immune to the wrath of misuse of IPC 498a and DV Law.

I had hoped that when Premji was implicated, people would have guessed this unfathomable and undeniable "reach" of the long hands of 'false 498a/DV' cases. But here is our man blissfully declaring that " It will not happen" (to him...comment 382).

Its not wishful thinking my friend, its word of caution, so that you can continue to live accordin to your wishes, we are reacting like this so that people like you are aware and could try and do whatever possible to prevent/mitigate the lethal blows of the false use of these laws, by any woman who may want to implicate your unaware self!

I think I should give up, at least on our man, since he seems to have closed his shutters of mind and brain.... anyway good luck!(luck helps too!)

#384
null
URL
November 30, 2006
01:38 AM

#385
null
URL
November 30, 2006
01:39 AM

#386
Santosh Kapadia
November 30, 2006
01:42 AM

Dude , thanks but no thanks for your crappy ghastly warning. If every man listens to the crappy advise you guys have to give, he sure is inviting trouble in his life for a lifetime. And I am not interested in ruining my family and marriage.

Why has Mr Azim Premji kept quiet? Considering that he has all the power to yell injustice to so very conveniently. Because he has his reasons and those reasons tell him to behave wisely and blissfully maintain silence. We did we not see him sniveling to the press and abusing the government and abusing women and criticizing the law. Why? Why? Why?

Now let me give you some free advise. In any relationship when there is no trust and love it invites trouble and then destination is only one....the end---dooms day.

So also, when in any marriage the spouse does not trust the other spouse, the marriage , very essence of marriage ceases to exist.

But it is futile speaking to guys like you, who chose a life in visiting courts and police stations and are self made victims.

Also, having a fixation over beauty, looks, color of skin, money do not bring happiness in marriage and neither this luck. This is especially for you .
Only one aspect makes the difference--Companionship -since only that lasts for a lifetime until the end. And I can vouch for this. Having said this and believing in this heartily I CAN SAY THAT I AM IMMUNE TO 498A FOR A LIFETIME.

Hope this opens the shutters of your eyes and brains.

#387
Hardy
November 30, 2006
02:38 AM

Santosh Kapadia...you seem to be living in a fool's paradise thinking that when two(or more) people stay together there must always be perfect cosy harmonious relation for the lifetime...Now that any relation will be measured by satisfaction of a woman in relationship i think it is going to become an even more distant and mythical goal to achieve.

498A is a result of frustration of women to sort our issues mutually and not because of a mistake on man's part.
So unless you(and your male relatives/friends) choose to be a pet dog to your(their) egotist imbecile wife and her parents for your(their) lifetime, I can only pray that you remain isolated from the aftermaths of 498A and related acts. Whether one is IMMUNE to 498A e.t.c is not in the hands of a husband...but is unilaterally decided by virtues/vices of wife as she is the cause and also the effect.

I can bet that every divorce in this country will invite 498A from wife, because she in her fit of anger and ego can not realize that it is her(or mutual) folly which is causing this divorce. She just can not digest that she may be wrong and looks outwardly for a reason to justify her decision. Who else besides husband and family to blame upon and vent her anger. With it comes the ease of reporting false incidences without even an iota of proof required to justify them. Who the hell would want to miss out on such neatly served but unfortunately a perfectly legal opportunity to earn a big cash.

#388
Righta
URL
November 30, 2006
05:02 AM

For anyone to be falsely implicated in a Gender-skewed law, he need not have a law misusing wife, the only necessary and sufficient condition is that there should be a woman who has a need to implicate you falsely for whatever the reasons may be!. With that logic even Osama or APJ can be accused, and then you actually see the police and judiciary sending summons and warrants yet again!(remember that APJ Abdul Kalam, our President was sent a summons by a state court, after the Judge was bribed with a paltry Rs.5000 by someone who wanted to expose the corrupt system we are entangled in)

Premji may not be reacting since he may not be the type who reacts(or he may be really feeling that he is guilty of the charge or something similar- and playing safe, waiting out the backlash, but my assumption is that this is not the situation); these are the types which silently/passively promote/sustain these kind of oppressors/aggressors, since they do not react against their own misery/oppression.

But some react, and will keep on reacting to 'wrong' till they die, so that things like 'Independence', 'Progress', 'Justice' and other desirable situations are achieved (not just dreamt about)- they are the "Change Agents" or revolutionaries. Others can just piggyback and enjoy the fruits when they are ready to be consumed, that's ok too(men come in different shades, that's why this world's so interesting and is self-sustaining, until at least now!). And then there are other's who will always criticize mindlessly (and even use personal references/taunts, when the discussion is supposed to be of a general nature, and to distil down to a better understanding in both the sides), even if they know that they are fixated and closed in their minds, by just trying to be busy by doing something which could pass off as a worthy way of spending their time!(since nature has allowed them to take birth and live, they will also fulfill some 'cosmic' need, or at least hope so!).

But nature conspires to make balance within itself, and no one can stop something that will restore nature's balance. Critiques can continue to gainfully employ themselves with mindful or mindless slander (personal) or general criticism.... The show will go on.



#389
Santosh Kapadia
URL
November 30, 2006
11:54 AM

Hardy

As per you 498 is filed for whatever reasons.
But the real and only reason is when dowry is demanded..

Those who do not demand dowry or are not fixated over the color of ones skin, then there is nothing to worry about.

Come to earth and then talk.

And there is no need to pray for me or resort to prayers. I am not in greed for money or taunt my wife over the color of her skin. Prayers can be for you!

What kind of experience do you have?

#390
Santosh Kapadia
URL
November 30, 2006
12:02 PM

Hardy

And please study the basic very basic cause and effect theory boss. You need a course on that. Stop embarassing yourself (though you have done that several times here). Plus this conversation was between me and righta. Kids with no brains and who want to rant here are not allowed. And anyway he has the guts who has given me the liberty to contact him and say things as is.

Righta

In a very sly way you seem to avoiding it. But this very chosen ignorance tells me that my point has been conveyed to him!!

#391
Santosh Kapadia
URL
November 30, 2006
12:04 PM

conveyed to you

#392
A.K Rathor
URL
November 30, 2006
09:07 PM

Do not dare to delete this message.
Who ever says this
"As per you 498 is filed for whatever reasons.
But the real and only reason is when dowry is demanded" must back his argument else take it back. When every one in the world is accepting 98% of misuse, then why this propaganda?
Kapadia, have you become insane?

#393
Santosh Kapadia
November 30, 2006
10:04 PM

Nowadays, hardcore culprits who have taken the rounds of jails are giving orders!
Insanity at its rise!!

498a defination: only filed when dowry is demanded from the women, when she is harrassed or abused.

If it is misused then why is section 500 not equal to the number of false dowry cases in India?

If dowry is misused then it should be total number of dowry 498 cases = total number of section 500!!

Is it?

What stops holy innocent men like you. It has been 20 years since 498 came into existence as you all. Have we seen even 20 counter cases of section 500 by men??

The answer is NO NO NO NO. So now shutup Rathor.

Why? Because none of them are innocent.period


#394
A.K Rathor
URL
December 1, 2006
12:29 AM

Kapadia,
And how do you know how many counter cases have been filed or not? [EDITED]
From where did you get the count of 20?
[EDITED]
Misuse is proven when Ms. Renuka Choudhary said 'YES' when asked that 98% cases in case of 498A are false.

[EDITED

#395
Santosh Kapadia
December 1, 2006
01:10 AM

20 years , 20 cases of defamation ie section 500 would atleast be expected right? [edited]

I see you so frustrated by now. Chill. Go sleep.

So when renuka choudhary says, "law is misused", so it is and you believe her so blindly and helplessly. I Pity you. Why give what she says so much importance. So when the same person brings out the DV act, then FACE IT.

PS: DO get me the exact word to word quote of Renuka Chaudhary 'YES' when asked that 98% cases in case of 498A are false. I need word to word quote of it, just for my reference. If not, then you shut up and let 2 adults continue the conversation and learn from it. NOW YOU back the quote, you said...ie 98%






#396
temporal
URL
December 1, 2006
01:37 AM

gentlemen

please refrain from personal attacks and abide by the comment policy otherwise your entire post might be deleted

#397
Reporter
URL
December 1, 2006
01:39 AM

2 Gadag girls sold for Rs 2 lakh


GADAG/HUBLI: The courage shown by a seventh-standard girl could very well lead to her sister's freedom and also give the police a clue as to where many other missing children of Sortur village of Shirahatti taluk in Gadag are.

When this girl, Soumya, and her sister Neelamma, studying in tenth standard, went missing from Gadag bus stand a month ago, few knew that they had been sold by their unscrupulous father.

The pieces started falling into place after Soumya ran away from her captors and sought the help of Gujarat Police who contacted Gadag superintendent of police K V Shridhar.

What's intriguing is that even though for a month the children have been missing, their parents never filed a police complaint.

The mother of the children told a police team that visited the village that the children had gone to Maharashtra. The father, Shenkappa Khannur, is not traceable and is reported to be hiding with his son in Bangalore.

Shridhar, who suspects this to be a case of sale of girls, told The Times of India on Thursday that the help of Bangalore police had been sought.

The incident has now rattled the villagers who suspect that Ramana Tavaknavar of the same village has acted as a middleman in the sale of the girls for Rs 1 lakh each to some people in Gujarat.

They feel that many other children who had disappeared in the past might have also been similarly sold.

A team of police personnel from Gadag is on its way to Surat to bring the two girls back to Sortur village. Once they are back, the police will register a case and begin investigation.

#398
Righta
URL
December 1, 2006
01:48 AM

I seem to be avoiding what?... yes, I seem to be guilty of NOT discussing my personal case, and NOT offering my defense to the honourable bench of Sans Kapada!. ref: comment# 390

But since the lack of my offering defense is misconstrued as a general trend, and since his lordship has inferred that "Why? Because none of them are innocent.period" ....Comment #393. I am offering some snippets, if not detailed defense(Detailed defense and cognitive reasoning: for which I will start a separate blog, so that people like Sans Kapada can be hoped to be salvaged and be cloaked with rhyme and reason, for the general good of the immediate society he lives in, lest he runs around so cloth-lessly, embarrassing everyone who has to see to this sight/plight, all the while thinking that he is wearing the emperor's clothes!).

I have still kept the documents in my web-site, which talks about 'colour of the skin', 'lack of beauty' as have been ably data-mined by our reverent friend, I will also offer to add more not-so-political "attacks" against my ex-wife(those are in the same set of documents which has the above references). She was accused of having Filariasis(also called elephantiasis), Goiter, her father was referred to be penniless, jobless and having no land in his name and still claiming that he was a magistrate in their location!, that he and his daughter was harassed/cornered for dowry. I have only referred to a very few allegations as above, which I have fielded against them in front of the various Courts. By displaying them in my website I only had one intention; to show the way to fellow sufferers on how to defend themselves, using offense backed-up with evidence and proof(I have veritable proof, which has been submitted in the courts, against each of the above allegations against the law misuers. You may wonder how I produce proof for 'lack of beauty' .... My friend these are interesting ways in which one has to defend himself, my new blog will say, thanks for provoking me, the same way someone had provoked me to make the above website in the first place!).

So why aren't they using IPC section 500, for defamation, against me?(if all the above is false and defames them, do u think they do not know this website of mine?, I track their movements on this page every other day!). In fact I have more web resources which is seemingly more incriminating than the above in some of my other websites, yes I mean business(the business of defending oneself), not necessarily soft emotions and puppy-love anymore(for ur understanding- I have a life-partner now, and we are planning to get my daughter back from my ex, its another uphill task, but try... I will)

My logic in using the above was made clear in my earlier comment (comment #380, quoted below for ur ready ref.)... It's a War our there, and everything is fair!.

"As they say "This is a court of law, not a court of Justice!", likewise these are unfortunately sad and futile battles of law, not of soft emotions, patience, empathy, wits or Tolerance. Try to appreciate the fact that law once misused against someone, leaves him with no other chance other than to(try and) deliver a fitting legal proceeding/salvo to counter and defend it........ which may well seem even more uncouth, gory and inhumane to a third party- but that's the characteristic of any war, where everything's fair. That's exactly why Indian Family should not be pushed into this path of war, by was of lack/absence of checks and balances."

So it's a war situation, I will use hook or crook to come out a survivor/victor, but this was not my attitude while I was still trying to salvage my marriage(in face of the impossible attitudes the people involved had, their aim was only to corner me misusing the law for achieving whatever their goals were), I was made this way(I myself don't like me this way, merciless and unforgiving, but I first have to prevent my death, and then think about being gentle once again!).

Its still a Jungle out there, where only brute force(backed-up with a diabolic mind) wins, brute manic force is the only thing which lets u live amidst all these mercenaries sent out to eliminate you on just the basis of a false complaint- I know that normal people won't easily understand the stress and gravity of the situations in which people like me have to live 24x7x52, but would still try my best to at least make them realise that they can avoid/defend these situations if and when it descends upon them, as explained elsewhere any one could be a victim of this draconic laws, just like that!.

Yes SK, we are not plain civilians anymore we are fighting for our lives, honour and elderly parents, u may not really get it after all, you may still choose to blame the cause and effect, but still turn a blind eye on the possibility that the girls could be incorrigible and impossible to salvage a marital relationship, the problem then would be your limitation to grasp the nuances of our situation, not the other way around!.

For ur information, I have filed three criminal cases filed against my ex and family(for False complaint and claim, for Forgery, for fabricating and using false evidence), still my advocates have advised against using IPC500(defamation) since until the main case is ruled in favour of me, IPC 500 wont be entertained or won't be taken seriously, so this is the case with everyone who is falsely implicated in cases like IPC 498a or DV Act, we have to wait until the criminal cases against us is ruled in our favour, and then file against defamation(IPC 500). Which is anything around 5-7 years ahead in time, who will have the verve and resources to fight another case, after a devastating bout of false IPC 498a or DV Act(and other component cases of the 'Cocktail') cases on them for a protracted period of 5-7 years(on an average). Who all will be left alive in the first place. Given this situation isn't it a cost-benefit analysis situation which prompts the accused to make an out of the court settlement with the law misusers(submitting to their demands for ransom), and get on with their life, even if there's no fault of theirs in all this.

Hope that these thoughts might have been helpful for at least some in understanding the situations one can find himself in , after false cases of this nature has been filed against him.

#399
Reporter
December 1, 2006
01:49 AM

Women bring dowry and are tortured if not bring dowry.
women bring money when sold
women bring livelyhood when put in business
women are beaten and still tthere should not be dv act
women are treated like slaves in india
women never get justice, see what mockery has happend to jessica and priyadarshini cases??

#400
Hardy
December 1, 2006
02:16 AM

Santosh Kapadia...when did you last talk sense...do you really understand what i or others are trying to put up here...Sometimes I feel either your are pure insane or get messed up between words very easily. It is difficult to make sense of anything you say here. Hope some sense prevails in you. What you wrote below

Santosh Kapadia wrote " And please study the basic very basic cause and effect theory boss. You need a course on that. Stop embarrassing yourself (though you have done that several times here)."

Do you really understand what is being discussed. You comments mostly out of the blue without relevance or any substantiation make me feel suspicious about your mental state.
Good luck and Good day...

And yes stop changing names and posting comments...as if others do not know all these name
woman, null, kiran, Reporter, Santosh Kapadia e.t.c are different names of a single mentally challenged mind.

#401
A.K.Rathor
URL
December 1, 2006
02:44 AM

woman, null, kiran, Reporter, Santosh Kapadia e.t.c are different names of a single mentally challenged mind.


Gotcha...ha ha ha ha.

#402
A.K.Rathor
URL
December 1, 2006
02:59 AM

woman, null, kiran, Reporter, Santosh Kapadia, who ever u r #395,

If any one(Renuka) accepts his/her mistake(misuse of 498A), people accept it. But if some one(Renuka) tries to prove wrong(justification to 498A,DV) as right, we chalange and fight it. I told u, it requires a balanced mind to understand a simple logic.

#403
rely
URL
December 1, 2006
04:33 AM

Santhosh Kapadia,
Are you a male or a female?

#404
Ajay
URL
December 1, 2006
04:42 AM

It is alarming that feminists have allowed such a situation to emerge , in the garb of women's lib, where in 12-13 year old children are today involving in casual sex and we are made to understand that it is a perfectly normal situation.Feminists, over the past three decades, have actively propagated a culture of free sex which has led to this deplorable state.
The mind of 12-13 year old child is innocent , inexperienced and easily impressionable .He does not know what is good or bad. In that innocent minds, feminists have cunningly indoctrinated the principles of sexual lust so that their theory of sexual permissiveness should prevail.
In this process they have destroyed the minds, attitudes and innocence of kids who do not even know what is good or bad for them. They have been lured into the world of seeking sexual gratification and we all are keeping mum and pretending how 'liberal" we are.



#405
Adhir Jha
URL
December 1, 2006
04:43 AM

These kids are nobody but our own sons and daughters whose innocent and easily impressionable minds have been poisoned by incessant feminist propaganda. It is a social scandal and outrage but we do not raise these issues lest we are branded as " backwards". And guess who will brand us as such? Feminists themselves!!!


#406
Commentator
URL
December 1, 2006
04:45 AM

Teens are time for children to study, character building, innocence, to play around , to learn morals , values and ethics and to build up a solid foundation for life and career. Instead of upholding such time tested principles, today feminists are terribly worked up to promote a culture of sexual promiscuity among young children. They want children to be obsessed with sex so that their ideal of a decadent and sexually promiscuous society is achieved.
It is horrifying and is tremendously disturbing all parents today.However the moot point is that these children is ours and not of feminists. It is time all parents and teachers start raising their voices against such a distortion of reality that is being propagated through the media.

#407
Xanadu
URL
December 1, 2006
04:47 AM

I think we need a full scale debate on this issue and control the tremendous damage done by feminists by raising awareness about these issues.
Feminists have corrupted the minds of young school going children by vehemently encouraging them to indulge in wild sex on the grounds that it denotes their "creativity",that they should do "as their minds tell them to do" or simply provoking 12-13 year old children that "their body is demanding it, hence they are doing it".
Feminists are develish and they want to propagate a society full of promiscuity and sexual indulgence. Hence they are aiming at young children and are trying to indoctrinate them.

#408
Anadi
URL
December 1, 2006
04:49 AM

Feminists have blatantly encouraged 12-13 year old children to indulge in free sex.When it is time for children to study, to build character and wisdom and to cherish their innocence, feminists are openly provoking our children to go in for wild sexual activity.
I am aghast by what is happening all around us and we keep mum about it as we are afraid of being tainted as "regressive".It is time for all parents, teachers and like minded persons to come together and raise voice against this terribly violence perpetuated on the simple and pure minds of our children in the garb of feminism.

#409
Ranjan Jha
URL
December 1, 2006
04:50 AM

I fully agree with Anadi.Feminists are driving our children towards rampant sexual promiscuity just to solidify their aim for a sexually decadant society. When these children will grow up,they will highlight and pass on to the next generation what they have done in their own childhood i.e. wild sexual indulgence.In this way the feminist ideal of a sexually decadant society can be achieved.

#410
Adhir K
URL
December 1, 2006
04:52 AM

It is time that such feminist nefarious propaganda is exposed. They are our own children. Sexual education is all right. But actively encouraging 12-13 year old kids to have sex is repulsive. Children at this age are not even aware of their surroundings, what is good and bad, what should be done and not done.They are so simple, pure and easily believing. It only shows the demented attitudes of feminists who can go to any extent just to fulfill their agenda..
It is time that every parent, every father and mother and teacher start becoming aware of the situation. Every body is feeling helpless about the deteriorating situation. It is time to fight this social menace that is corrupting the tender, easily impressionably and believing minds of school going kids. If we do not, then we are failing our own children who are helpless and are getting carried away by such malicious propaganda in the media by feminists.

#411
Stupified
URL
December 1, 2006
04:53 AM

There is wide scale social decadence all around us. Sexual morals have gone for a six. If one talks about morals, one is made to feel like pariah by the same people who have mindlessly promoted such views in our society. Now they are trying to corrupt the minds of school going children. This is an unpardonable crime. It is time for our children to play , watch cartoons, explore the world around them, study hard, to go on excursions and build a healthy mind, body and soul. It is time for them to build a solid foundation for a strong , balanced and wise personality .However, instead of allowing our children to grow up as such, they are being brainwashed by feminists into believing that giving way to sexual orgies are their roads to creativity, independence and empowerment.
Despite such abhorrent attitudes promoted by feminists, we still keep quite and do not react for the fear of being branded as "narrow minded"! Who will brand us as such? Feminists only!! Should we then give way to such malicious ideas and do incalculable damage to the minds of our own children who are being grossly misled?? As parents do we not owe that much to our own children?

It is time for the society to analyse and react against some ideas that are being taught in the name of women's lib.



#412
Santosh Kapadia
URL
December 1, 2006
10:25 AM

Dear men

Get a life!!

Hardy stop butting in. If I am talking nonsense, why are you commenting on it by butting it? And AK rathor where is the quote? I want the quote or accept it that men go to jail coz thet demand dowry.

Frontview--which newspaper?

Righta, I read your reply. Great job on filing counter cases. Now that is an innocent logical man talking in you. But still marriage is a marriage and some sanctity must be maintained. I am humbled by your long reply.

To the rest who have gone mad by my question , once again for more madness:

Very simple logical question:

If dowry is misused then it should be total number of dowry 498 cases = total number of section 500 cases!! Why not????

#413
A.K Rathor
URL
December 1, 2006
12:47 PM

Dear [Wo]Men Kapadia,
What is wrong is WRONG and what is right is RIGHT. Acknowledgement of misuse is right is RIGHT. And encouragement and support to misuse is wrong is WRONG.
Mindset like u is home breakers. Where as we sincerely fight for saving home. We know when a home breaks, F Team wins. We are working on cleaning the brains affected by F virus. If the mind does not heal, we surely go for the Kill.
Destruction is your strategy, construction is ours.
And, do not bark on the counts as you do not have any.

#414
Santosh Kapadia
December 1, 2006
02:01 PM

Well well if you decide to get personal and are still barking and whimpering , then continue to do. If any one wants to correct you, then you start doubting. I guess the aftermath shocks of your life. Maybe you are one of those who thinks dowry is his birthright.

What fucking statistics are you talking about? Where is the quote of Renuka Chaudhary. If you are man enough to quote Renuka that 98% cases in case of 498A are false,then back it up with some commonsensical statistics or don't mislead people here with the same drivel again and again. The mere fact you haven't shows how sullied your mind is.
Most of you are accustomed to camouflage and hide behind fake quotes. When questioned, come back with a tirade of stupid logics and shit and imprudent lectures on right and wrong (which even a kindergarten kid can excel better than you). All I ask for a simple link, for my reference and you seem to be on bawling spree gone over board. Guilty huh?

Your little games of diverting attention will not work. In fact you anandi, commentator, frontview, hardy, adhir, ajay all seem the same to me. Evidently you are getting really desperate.

It sucks when men like you snivel on each and every thread with the same phony tears. Crocodiles are masters in crying or so I thought. But you take this one full and clear. Congratulations.

You may continue barking and sobbing, coz my conversation with Righta has ended.


#415
null
URL
December 1, 2006
06:26 PM

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#416
Santosh Kapadia
December 1, 2006
07:44 PM

Why should I hide behind the names of null. This is not my fucking habit.

Or was Rathor sahib so upset that he got nullified altogether

#417
Santosh Kapadia
December 1, 2006
07:52 PM

Temporal and Aaman

This is unattainable to make them see some sense. Either they are too obsessed with money or color or beauty or both. They know they are wrong with regard to these immoral abhorrent demands, they then try to offer 10GB of explanations but it is all a fine swindle of words, quotes and ping ball statistics..

Hats off to you both for putting up with this. :)

Suggestion to those guys who are obsessed with color and beauty: Men grow balder and older faster than any women.

#418
A.K Rathor
URL
December 1, 2006
08:45 PM

Kapadia, asked for help/proof. I provided it. But the link was deleted. Yes , it was me. By the way, did Kapadia see it before it got deleted? You can still have it on CNN IBN site. They will not delete it from there. I do not write any thing in air. Its in the video.

#419
null
URL
December 1, 2006
10:00 PM

Mumbai: India's Anti-Dowry Law has now assumed draconian proportions and quite a few men claim that they are facing lawsuits under this section, which are at best concocted.


Sohail Shaikh is the latest victim of section 498 A and its misuse.


Sohail divorced his wife under Islamic law days after his marriage citing previously undisclosed medical problems. He subsequently received threats from his estranged wife and her family and humiliation at the hands of police.


"I feel these threats are only for the reason of extracting money, because in Islam, we pay meher (money given to the bride at the time of the marriage) and in this case, the amount was decided at Rs 41,000. I think that is what they are after."


Gokul's story is no different. A broken marriage has left him doing the rounds of the courts for the last three years.


Today, just some pictures remain. Gokul's once successful marriage has now degenerated into a messy legal battle that has cost him Rs 1.5 lakh as well as his job.


"I went into depression and I couldn't concentrate on my job. My company was very upset with my performance and though they understood that I was framed in a false case, they could not keep me on. They are a corporate with little patience for these things," says Gokul.


Statistics suggest that Gokul and Sohail are just the tip of the iceberg.


*In 2004, 58,319 dowry cases were registered


*1,34,757 men were arrested


*47,828 cases have reached the chargesheet stage


*10,491dowry cases were not chargesheeted as they were based on frivolous ground.


*However, 5,739 men have been convicted but more than four times that number have been acquitted (24,127)


The controversial section not only covers dowry, but a wide spectrum of incidents including cruelty, causing injury and danger to mental or physical health.


It is this all consuming nature of the law that has legal experts worried.


Says advocate Dipesh Mehta, "In metro cities complaints like this are usually filed by women with the intention to harass the husbands. I am of the view that there should be some change in the provision of section 498A."


It is not always the woman who is the victim when a marriage goes wrong. The men too suffer.


Section 498(A) of IPC is a double edged sword. The Act is supposed to protect women against dowry and abuse, but it is seen by many, as too lenient towards women, so much so that sometimes the husbands have to pay the price for no fault of theirs

#420
Hardy
December 1, 2006
11:26 PM

Let me finally attempt to answer an obvious, easy but stupid, kid's question, oft repeatedly ranted by Santosh Kapadia..i.e
"If dowry is misused then it should be total number of dowry 498 cases = total number of section 500 cases!! Why not????"

Dear, Mr(Mrs) Kapadia...Listen to facts and "Dobaara maat Puuchna?"(chloro-mint idiot)

1. It takes more than 12-14 years for full trial of a typical 498A case.

2. A lot of. By "lot of" I mean over 75% cases(your and tour teams statistics) dissolve because the husbands side feels it tiring to visit courts for years together on their personal expenditure just to prove that they are innocent. And Then they have to pay the wicked girl for her greed(alimony) and also towards her lawyers expenses. So they are paying money to both sides in a case so that they may(or may not) be punished. How ludicrous, crappy is this scenario where all laws of natural justice are burnt and beaten to death. Is not it a mockery of justice. But sadly it is the "truth" with our existing law and system. Hey Talibanies, shame on you that you could not develop more intriguing ways to violate basic human rights, even if you claim yourself to be exemplary veterans in massacre and beheadings.

Coming back, husband and families think that if it is easier to get rid of this evil(the wife/DIL) by paying money and save their precious life time then why not. Life is more dear than money which somehow these greedy, evil wives/DIL's just do not seem to realize. Now if the case is settled out of court by shelling up of huge cash from husband's side, there can naturally be no defamation e.t.c case as the divorce would be legally declared as having happened under mutual consent.

3.So far (till about June this year[2006] 195 CRPC) you could file counter cases only after the trial is complete i.e 12-14 years after 498A is filed. (With this new amendment in CRPC, the story will gradually but surely change in near future). Since it takes another 8 years for counter cases to conclude, in these 20 years a lot of families are destroyed because of running around in our courts. A lot of elderly people would be no more alive to see final result. A lot of Sane People who are not strong and determined at heart do not want to enter into this lengthy legal battle, at the end of which judge "may" let go the guilty by imposing just paltry monetary fine or at best probably award some monetary respite to the sufferer. Punishment in form of imprisonment is rare in such cases. Secondly a lot of husbands also think about the future of their child who is normally in custody of wicked evil woman. They know that by entangling the wife in this dirty battle they are ruining the future and life of their own child. They know the imbecile, egotist wife would continue her tirade to satisfy her ego without caring about what the child may be undergoing, what he is being deprived of and finally what he is seeing as a part of his growing up.

4. The guy has to fight not only his wife but also the corrupt police and biased (inclined in favour of woman) judicial system. Police and lawyers look for their own share in the booty.

5. Unlike in any other case where a person is innocent until proven guilty here it is almost the opposite. Add the spice of fighting a counter case, where the girl (assumed to be innocent from beginning) has to be proved guilty with strongest of proofs. What that essentially means is that if the wife reported (her fancy) that husband beat him and dragged him to court under 498A just by her oral statement, then for the husband to win a counter case he should have proofs as strong as video camera recordings, witnesses, written threats e.t.c from wives to prove that the it was the wife who actually beat him and later she used proven extortion tactics to rob him of his precious, hard earned money. Despite of all these a lot of judges do not see gracefully to such complaints stating that wife can not be implicated for defamation of husband because they belong to same household.
That is also one of the reason, why may defamation cases in such scenarios are against FILs, BILs e.t.c and not against wives.
Since the proof of burden is in husband in both the cases, thus by the simple rule of ratios and proportions and under the assumption that "Our law states 1 innocent should not be punished, even of 9 go Scot-free" it turns out that husband has roughly (10-9)* 1 /100 = 1% chances of convicting the woman culprit(the perpetrator to sin).

If above 5 reasons are not enough, people are willing to contribute more...

#421
commentator
URL
December 1, 2006
11:56 PM

Thank you sooooo much Hardy.

Now even the women get frustrated after 12-14 years of not getting justice (because in India it is Court of law and not court of justice). So they take back the cases.

Now when women take back the cases it is highly misunderstood/ mispresented by the group of men that the case was false " see my wife took back the case because i had proof for my defense , she got scared and took it back


He represents it falsely to the society so that he can survive.

The 98% figure has another story to it and not because they are false cases or the greedy husbands innocent.

The case is merely taken back becuase the wife is offered her dowry money back( alimony as per these men) and she decided to take the her dowry money back from her greedy husband so that she can move on in life.

Thank you hardy brother, you did a good job.

And Hardy brother once again get your facts checked, you can file section 500 anytime and not wait for the trial to get over. Do not get embarrassed. Guys he is still learning.

Sometimes I think you are also a woman, because you always say something in favour of women. are you??

#422
Righta
URL
December 2, 2006
01:10 AM

If defamation, IPC 500, is to be given before the base case is decided (original 498a case in our cases), it will have to be based on defamatory statements, written applications and testimonies included in the other parties 'documents'(or parts of the whole) connected to the case. This is usually a very weak case, and may not be even admitted by the courts, saying that since the base-case itself is yet to be decided on merits, how can any 'part' of it be contested.

But if the 498a base-case is decided in the man's favour, he can file for defamation, but who will have the patience to pursue yet another case after a protracted and stressful litigation, during which many elderly people might have just died off, and many youth- withered.

People are not ready to react against day-to-day injustices on them, how can u expect people to take up defamation after 10 odd years!. Passive goodness, meekness, tolerance to oppression.... lack of assertiveness, your guess is as good as mine. Oh yes, I agree to some men being dowry takers... but have u known girl's who insist that full and final dowry be given to them at the time of marriage?, since they can't expect an equal share in the family's ancestral property later - treating girl's equally in all respects is the solution, girl's not allowing themselves to be influenced by feminazies(or the bad feminists) is the way to progress.

There is a lot to be changed in our society/system, in the mean while we have to train our minds to exercise personal discipline, even if the system is yet to be corrected. Marriage is a great/essential concept, but both sides have to give a chance for it to thrive.

#423
Kiran
URL
December 2, 2006
01:59 AM

Whoa....has the sun risen from the west?
Righta are you okay, the tone today sounds mellow.

#424
Righta
URL
December 2, 2006
04:08 AM

Kiran, I just got to the root-cause, and u heard me for the first time :)

#425
Hardy
December 2, 2006
06:01 AM

Kiran you got appropriate answer on your face through #422 even though you always knew it before. Yet I do not understand what makes you emit those crazy remarks. Anyway it is good that you are getting educated as an side effect.

Woman waiting for in the case for 12-14 years...

Ha ha...If it were not for divorce they are pursuing they would continue the case till the end of life. After all they have nothing to loose in it. Your lawyer and legal fees is paid by opposite party. You donot get penalised for false reports. Your lame excuse and faulty reasoning (which are far from reality) can not even convince a kid.

You talk about dowry money...how come this illegal money is always given in cash in all such cases. I am yet to see a case where all this money was paid through proper channel via cheques. Ah ha...i see that is because it was never given.
Why the hell the parents not deposit the money in girl's name rather than giving it to boy as dowry.
Why the hell did they not out of property in girl's name? Ah ha...i see because they never intended to and wanted their cunning daughter to feed like a parasite on what was being earned by husband and later on ditch them and claim that all the transaction was in cash blah blah.
You can fool those who want to follow you blindly, but any sane person would understand the foul tricks you are here to demonstrate.

#426
Hardy
December 2, 2006
06:10 AM

Wretched Kiran said..."
" And Hardy brother once again get your facts checked, you can file section 500 anytime and not wait for the trial to get over. Do not get embarrassed. Guys he is still learning."

Please go and revisit my statements. I have been talking about all possible counter cases e.g perjury, criminal intimidation and not just IPC 500(which is anyway considered a weak case).
Just reconcile facts vis a vis your statements and report back.

#427
Hardy
December 2, 2006
06:34 AM

BTW, even though i did not get a single penny as dowry and never expected any dowry, who the hell are those who think dowry(as given to daughter) is bad.

Why the hell should a parasite be allowed to nourish on means provide exclusively by somebody else.

Why the hell should the parents of girl not shell out and give their daughter her due share in her parental household, where as they expect that the son's parent should give adequate and if possible entire share to the girl and her hubby so that she can spend lavishly on her life style.

The girl should not contribute of house in anyway and still enjoy all the benefits. What non sense is this? Why right has she to speak in house if she can not contribute to the house in a amicable way.

Why the fucking stridhan includes gifts and jewellary given to girl by boy's family?

Why the hell should any life long maintenance be given to wives who have stayed together just for less than few months. Why is the alimony not proprotional to the time period for which the woman is stayed in marriage.

Why the hell should husband be asked to provide to wife even after divorce. Why not the parents of girl be held responsible for providing and feeding the woman.


There are umpteen questions on which femenists are silent, but they prefer to wail on false sensation forged news of bride burning e.t.c.




#428
Hardy
December 2, 2006
06:53 AM

Sometimes I think these feminists think that woman should get all benefits in this world because they provide sex to man.Is not it nothing but a Crap...sex is as much a need of man as is of a woman. Sex is for mutual benefit and not for individual's(in femimist words male's) benefit.

#429
Righta
URL
December 2, 2006
11:37 AM

This is also a way of "Divide and Rule", so that the people fight for justice(and among themselves) and don't really get time to notice the corruption and fight against it.

The rulers/powerful with malice will always leave some grey areas so that they can use it at will, to their own advantage. They make hay while the genders fight a futile war!.

#430
null
URL
December 2, 2006
12:13 PM

So hardy is married.

#431
null
URL
December 2, 2006
12:55 PM

My Son committed SIN of marrying an Indian girl.
This was a marriage between two professionals, in which parents
were not involved. I even did not attend their marriage or lived
together.She had come to US on fiance visa and got married to him
in USA .

Marriage failed and Divorce was filed, in which she demanded alimony
US $ 200 Thousands alternatively "Restitution of Conjugal Rights".
She is a Lawyer presently migrated at Dubai and her father is also
Lawyer practising at Mumbai. They both participated in court
proceedings.

Divorce was granted. No alimony was ordered. Both father-daughter
duo were named ,"Blackmailers and Extortionists" by the US Court

Pending Divorce proceeding in USA, She filed False complaint with
Mumbai Police under section 498A of Indian Penal Code alleging
cruelty to her in US.

All the family members who are US Citizens were named and declared
"Proclaimed Offenders" and the unscrupulous woman has migrated to
Dubai UAE like any other Indian Criminal and Mafia.

#432
Hardy
December 2, 2006
01:13 PM

#430...Yes I was( I prefer to call it "I was" even if I can call it "I am")...but for you to have deduced that i am married because I have a different stance on dowry is probably a mis interpretation.
I had this notion of dowry soon after i came to the world of reality from the phony world of school books...I mean that was in my college days...
I just could not digest how a dowry could categorically be stated as bad, where as it is nothing but a important financial aspect between two people who plan to stay together.

Of why I did not take dowry or do not even expect dowry is another totally different issue and has to do entirely with my own personality. I have hated at even keeping a rupee of anybody else ... even if they are my own parents, so how the hell can I think of some third person giving money to me...I have hated being parasite or being fed upon by anybody in this world and that is what made me not expect anything from my wife or her parents.

As for my case, If I were to put up my case prima facie to any sensible person, he would conclude within 10 mins of how every statement of complaint by my wife is false and concocted(I guess if asked privately even she would admit to it), but courtesy my wife I will have to endure it for years in courts to prove that I am innocent. I will have to fight corrupt police and greedy lawyers on my way up the ladder of justice. I will have to risk my entire bright career for it.

All this just because my egotist wife feels a special satisfaction in ruining my life. She has not even bothered to talk and explain to me since she left as to why the hell is she doing this. Does money mean so much to her? The only reason I can think is that she wants to get married elsewhere, but unlike earlier this time with big dowry for her new husband. However his greedy father would have already said no to any money being spent on second marriage(as did he on her "presumably" first marriage), so where does she get money for her new marriage. Ah ha now she thinks I can be a scapegoat for no cost to her. Wow 406, 498A!!! .

#433
anon
URL
December 2, 2006
01:57 PM

You have said on this site several times that you were never married etc and never implicated in 498. You know why? because you have major doubts. And the doubt is that who will trust/listen to a person who has the records of lurking in jails, courts and police stations(ur famous interpretation).What goes around , comes around and now it has come back to you.

You thought you could convince people otherwise , by make-believing that you were never married, never implicated in 498 etc. But you failed to convince even a single one !!


Something I want to say out of context here :
It is very impt to all of you that you pose as women and single men and comment because you think (highly mistaken though) you can thus influence better.

It is a desperate attempt but never works.

Coz even you all know that a general onlooker/reader may have doubts on what you say/write, coz he may turn around and say that "as of now he is accused and his opinions are biased". Thus this pretense by you.

Truth is universal and no concocted pretenses are required to bring it forth. Have confidence in your present state and fight the battle with your current status. Truth will prevail no matter what!

No hard feelings here.

You have your battles and we have ours.

May the strongest win who can endure for the longest time :)

#434
null
URL
December 2, 2006
02:13 PM

I am a victim of false 498A along with 4 members (including my married
sisiter) of my family. Can u plz inform me that what can be result of that
kind of cases which have no medical or any other kind of proof except the
false word of wife......

Flase Witnesses are also belongs to her family only...

My case is based on my wife's words only....

can judge give all us punishment for jail also .....

Please inform....

#435
null
URL
December 2, 2006
02:19 PM

What i want to mentio n about my case is that i have already filed a defamation case against my wife. and at the same time the divorce matter is going in the family court , to my luck she has agreed to divorce with only a lumsum amount of Rs 40 ,000/- . I HAD FOUGHT I NTHE FAMILY COURT for the stri dhan taken by her , from my house and that too without a lawyer

My dear friends like what most lawyers dio, they do not help u in the right manner , u urself should fight the case for no one else but u know the facts of the case than any one else.

most of the things i took in my custody as the defination of strredhan does not mean anything n everything of husband, there are amny gifts given to the husband at the time of marriage n under the word GIFT igot most of my things back which she could not prove it.

Another thing because of i putting section 500 on her , she bacame mild n is now ready to take doivorce with a very small amount , the condtiin is that both of us should withdraw our cases of 498A and 500

Well its not easy to forgive n forget such a women who on the say of her parents as done such a act but my dear friends i am a t the momenty acting very friendly to her i repeat ACTING which even my lawyer is unaware as in this world after this inciedent i cannot trust anyone, and as soon as al the things are settled and divorce is taken , my family memebers will put register a case against her and her family memebrs as the do not come unde any conditions given in the Family court.

So u see i a mwaiting till i get free n come o ut of the ditch along with my family members n the n push her back into the ditch n kep on smiling at the top

At the same time u can continue with the case as much as u want n wven if u feel that u r tired of it wit ha very good excuse with draw if u want , but make her n her family members slog till they have a cry of their life

Dear friends at the same time i am also very nervous n at times scared for i am just a young lad of 27 years old n iwanna fight against such a act

pleas guys pray for me that i may suceed n for all the friends who are suffering in this misuse of laws

#436
Righta
URL
December 13, 2006
01:17 PM

Domestic violence case against Premji withdrawn

Wednesday, 29 November , 2006, 18:34 : http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14340662

Kanpur: The wife of a Wipro employee has withdrawn the names of company chief Azim Premji and another senior executive from a domestic violence case she had filed against her husband in a court.

Tripti Nigam's lawyer Nandlal Jaiswal said she would file a separate case against Premji and Wipro for allegedly providing a "dating allowance" to her husband Gaurav. Wipro has denied that it pays any such allowance to its employees.

Tripti had created a flutter by naming Premji and Wipro Vice President Pratik Kumar in her case, in which she had alleged Gaurav had abandoned her because the firm paid him a "dating allowance".



Jaiswal said since the names of direct relations alone could be included in a case under the new domestic violence law, the names of Premji and Kumar were withdrawn on technical grounds. But Gaurav's name still remained in the complaint.

Tripti, a resident of Gwaltoli area here, submitted an application to the Chief Metropolitan Magistrate, asking him to permit her to withdraw the names of Premji and Kumar from the case. This was accepted by the court.

The court fixed December 13 as the next date for hearing the matter. Gaurav was present in the court and sought copies of the papers filed by Tripti.

Jaiswal said a separate case about Wipro allegedly providing a "dating allowance" to Gaurav would be filed against Premji and Kumar in another court.

In the wake of Tripti's allegations, software major Wipro had said on Friday, "We would like to categorically state we don't have a dating allowance in any form and hence cannot elaborate on this alleged issue."

#437
MD
December 27, 2006
02:41 AM

Continued from # 123 , which as expected none of the dowry seeking men would know what hit them these last few years coz for a simple reason they are egoistic greedy fools who can think only "apna sapna money money"

Most of you men are not united who support dowry and other organised crimes, coz are sex starved creatures and fight amongst yourselves for leadership coz you all love to dominate and treat everyone like slaves. This very core nature of yours is your greatest weak point and for generations will never let you stay in a harmonious family unit unless you change, ie live and let live.

Women all over India are spread up in various groups, groups that are made consciously and some sub consciously , schools, convent schools are the strongest hubs, colleges, offices, in trains, buses, universities, neighborhoods, blogs, in any industry and all of them in their own way support NCW. And men are the exact opposite. They can never be part of a group for long. (now we are not talking of political parties) And if that group- is -against- women and her rights, then it will never last or succeed in any ventures because the basic trait of men in groups- against- women is that he craves for women and leaves no opportunity to befriend another women and dump his own group. When such men leave this group and cross over to us, it brings down the entire group ie groups- against- women like a pack of cards in a fraction of a second!!


That's where women use the theory of Decapitation. It comes naturally to them with no efforts. It is inborn, their second nature. It is a technique to fight organised crimes (sati, dowry, physical and verbal abuse, rape), where the decapitators who want to move on a certain group, will silently listen, observe for months, distract them with by carrot and stick approach, identify all the main players, their strengths, weaknesses, then move in and take them all at the same moment.

Even happily married women can use this technique, it can be of great help without harming her family unit peace.
Men also use this techniques' who are brothers and fathers only with the guidance of experienced women. In that role(brother and father of a victim) only they can achieve success, otherwise not possible.


Result: DV Act ( who would have imagined that Renuka Chaudhary was going to make history)

Also now since with the blogging , everyone is more and more aware of the real statistics.

The appointment of Konakuppakattil Gopinathan Balakrishnan as head of the Supreme Court would be significant at any time in fighting organised crimes like Sati, Dowry, abuse and rape. His appointment will bring some great changes and justice. It is very obvious how and why?



Ahhhhh, don't get distracted!! But still watch out!



#438
VICTIM
December 27, 2006
04:20 AM

Thisis abosulutely true. Revcently there was lots of hangama of a delhi seminar. Only 10 people attended it from SIF which clames to have 10000 voluntaers and victims. i am a member and i could not help pysically so i was asked to contribute to the funds. first lawyer askes money, wife asks money, police askes money and not these sevaks ask money by new way to explaoit vicitms. when people asked everyone that asking money in a forceable way is not good, then everyone put the blame on other and it was a total flop. some people gave gyan to keep doing seva and results will follow. but even asking question is a crime and only everyone wants to tbe a leader and give commands. the finction served on purpose as per me. i do not thinkg anyone benifitted from it. it was advertised that peeople were goin gto come from over india and vicitms was going to to yatra from mumbai to get press attention but nothing like this happned. instead it was money raising fuction from the victims, by the victims, in the name of victims . some 3 to 4 gave speeches but in the back everyone was expecting some contrinbutin who called themsels senior member and victim. how can anyone be a senior victim. i felt cheated and sad.it was only asking money in difference forms and contributions. and then all the finger pointing of us began who felt that money contributoion was not right think. I money was colleced and it has been 1 month now but no accounts for ir.what is the difference between our govenememnt and sif. i felt cheated.

#439
VICTIM
URL
December 27, 2006
04:32 AM

thisis my personal view and how i was treated. with me some other also feel the same way. Also whenver I calls the delhi helpline number there no response. many other new members also feel like that. when inquired about this, again it was told to help with this helpline by giving our mobole number other wise not to say anything. on webite t is written 24 hours helpline but conditions are not written. everyitme ask a question or any doubt, we get only insulted.i think new mmenbers are not treated nicely and sneior members are in at least delhi region are very egoistic and dominatnig. this is my personal expernience.

#440
MD
December 27, 2006
05:16 AM

VICTIM

It must have taken great courage to expose these hoax victims who cry and cry all the time. You are not the first one. Like we have said, many men join that gang, have a bad experience and return and rather cross over.

Would like to join some women organisation. Trust me, you will be better off and be well taken care off. You can contact any woman org in your area. Any women organisation, if you and your wife are willing can call for a common meeting and settle matters for you peacefully. Even the legal system recognises this settlement between husband and wife once a report is submitted by the women org mentioning the same. No money asked, no service needed, no conditions.

#441
MD
December 27, 2006
05:16 AM

VICTIM

It must have taken great courage to expose these hoax victims who cry and cry all the time. You are not the first one. Like we have said, many men join that gang, have a bad experience and return and rather cross over.

Would like to join some women organisation. Trust me, you will be better off and be well taken care off. You can contact any woman org in your area. Any women organisation, if you and your wife are willing can call for a common meeting and settle matters for you peacefully. Even the legal system recognises this settlement between husband and wife once a report is submitted by the women org mentioning the same. No money asked, no service needed, no conditions.

#442
Sumanth
URL
December 27, 2006
01:44 PM

This article is all about lies and hoaxes created by feminists using powerful agencies like UN and UNICEF. Feminists may have noble goals, but their methods are dubious and not based on principles. The result is for everyone to see.

Firstly SIF does not have 10,000 volunteers. SIF has only 5000 families in it. They are distributed all over India and world.

SIF is one of the best "citizen journalism" groups in India. SIF saves marriages (when possible). SIF does work without expecting results.

But, the results are there for everyone to see.

Both Arun Jaitley and Abhishek Singhvi are talking about misuse of laws by women. It is a matter of time, there will be gender equality in Adultery Law(criminal or civil). India is slowly waking up to the reality that feminists can destroy the society and increase crime rate by driving people to suicide. The examples are there in western societies for everyone to see.

SIF is an organic ecosystem. It is not structured like a corporate. 5000 members of different cultures, languages, education and religions are bonded together with minimum differences and inner strength. We are growing fast at such a speed that soon we will be a powerful force in Indian society.

In Press Conference in Bangalore (on 25th Nov) only 35 people turned up. In fact Press Club only allows 5 people into the conference room. The results of the conference were published in 37 different news agencies and overnight "Azim Premji" got the respite from the false case.

To expose the lies and hoaxes one does not need numbers. Just five people are sufficient. Do not worry, SIF will venture into anti-corruption and many more social issues very soon. We were already in touch with Transparency International.

The Minimum goals of SIF are already achieved. What we get is just extra. As men wake up to lies by feminists, they will simply stop marrying like the men in Sweden. The women's rights will just remain in paper.

If women organisations have started saving marriages (due to fear of take over by SIF), then that is a great achievement for us. Earlier, Women's organisations used to do morcha outside the husband's company or used to advise female to file false case on Husband's employer.

But, its a pity that women organisations will not be able to organise conferences in 50-Star hotels.

What one has seen till now (from SIF) is a trailer. The real war has not yet started. Once media come to track, SIF will take on some very closed, corrupt, patriarchal govt organisations (symbolised by a balance in the hand of a blindfolded lady). We are just waiting to expose this great pillar of democracy.

#443
null
URL
December 27, 2006
01:53 PM

5000 families

5000* 3 = 150000

3 old mother and old father and preganant sister

Wonderful, you seem in denial

#444
null
URL
December 27, 2006
02:09 PM

The Advocates :- Is ACT se lado mat (coz' it is the ROJEE ROTI of them), is kanoon ko hatane ki baat mat karo. aur aap daro mat, jail jate ho chale jaao, jail jaane se darte kyon ho? aur haan, paise mat dekho, ek achha vakeel dekho (achha vakeel means achha paisa).

Other Victims who approched the Seminar from all over INDIA :- Meri ye kahani hai, meri wo kahani hai, mere saath ye hua, mere sath wo hua, (thats it.)


MY conclusion:- (I also want vote from all those people who are agree or disagree with my this mail.) from all over India the victims came to New Delhi the capital of the India Republic, just for listening all these things and having a tea party with other victims?

No, absolutely not. They came to this seminar because they had a hope like me that in that seminar, there would be taken a decision about next step of the movement. they came to know that In which scale the SIF or 498a.org is doing to protect them. what is the benefit of that type of seminar jahan koi nishkarsh hi na nikla ho, sivay ye samjhane ke ki daro mat jail jaao,

Mera kahna hai. ki If i really have to go jail, to hum un characterless and cruel women ke victim bankar kyon jaaye, kyon na is DV act and 498A ka bahiskaar karte hue jail jaaye?

I apologise if i hurt'd someone, but I want this seminars to come in prectical, not like just DRAMA.

#445
A spectator
December 27, 2006
02:45 PM

So it was a TEA PARTY with a kitty party touch. Inside news. Seems like SI* guys are into kitty party stuff these days, anything for money money money money. Thanks

#446
Another victim
URL
December 27, 2006
11:17 PM

Even I claled delhi lines many times. The one person whjo ansers it is very ver rude. He asks to call back and whne i did , he saw my same number and does not answer the phone. I was also asked to attend a meeting, in which nothing happned and only 1 other person came who was like me needing help. so all the helpline in delhi is all false and stories. If this is in delhi , i am sure the same happens in other places also.

#447
MD
URL
December 28, 2006
10:27 AM

You are right, it was a tea party cum kitty party. Well atleast women groups get funded by everyone. These people need to fund themselves. Very sad, sad, very sad. After reading the above comment, it sounds like extortion. Old habbits die hard. if you dont get dowry, then we will burn you,
If you dont contribute, then get out, no help will be provided


Sigh!!

#448
Hardy
December 28, 2006
12:59 PM

> If you don't contribute, then get out, no help
> will be provided
If you do not contribute and on top of it assert that you have no responsibility towards house, you ill-treat other members of house and finally when somebody tries to disagree with you on any petty household issue you issue direct threats of filing false 498A cases, then yes i must say you better get out not only from house but form the life of all others.

And again stop playing that "burning card", it is old and stale and no body believes you now a days not even our old biased judges. You have been crying "Wolf Wolf" too often and SC has acknowledged your Wolf cries in its judgment.
Bride burning "hoax" can only to discussed outside this country with people who are ignorant about ground realities of this country.

BTW you crib about money money in media(but milking your husbands for their hard earned money behind the doors/in and around the courts) makes me recall the old saying "Ulta choor kotwal ko daante".

#449
NRI wife
URL
January 12, 2007
01:05 AM

I want to let everyone know the truth , the real story.
Since the DV act came into existence, my estranged husband is pleading me to withdraw the case. First I thought it was the usual drama that his gang teaches him, but now I can see fear in his voice, so much fear that the once abusive man is now at the mercy of his own past deeds. He openly clamims to me how the gang he joined has mislead him and how sorry he is feeling.
I am going to say everything now to everyone and I know everything, how scared all of them are and how they run their farce game filled with criminals. Excuse me alleged criminals.
Since the red alert notives have been issued, my estranged husband calls me everyday and it is a pleasure to cut his calls. I know he is scared. I may agree that this could be drama as well, but even still, he calls me. And not the GRAND SUCCESS OF PRAVASI BHARATIYA DIWAS, he has no where to run.


Because Renuka Chaudhury is making sure that Indian laws apply to people no matter where they reside. So that if Indian citizens ill-treat their wives or violate the law, they can be recalled to India."

This has sent up a chill up his spineless spine.

I have only one thing to say that goes around comes around

I was fortunate to come out alive out of this torture and there were wonderful angels who helped me unconditionally. Today I am at peace, I and he is NOT.

I have my God with me and he does not.

#450
NRI wife
URL
January 13, 2007
12:34 AM

Marry-and-dump NRIs may face Indian law

NEW DELHI: For NRIs tempted by the 'holiday wife' syndrome, this could be a reality check. Indians living abroad who ill-treat or desert their wives may now have to face Indian laws. The government is in parleys with the US and UK to bring about changes in the legal framework to enable speedy prosecution of such grooms in this country.

Speaking at a session on women's issues at the Pravasi Bharatiya Diwas 2007, minister for women and child development Renuka Chowdhury said, "I am in talks with US and UK officials for changing the existing treaties between us to ensure that Indian laws apply to people no matter where they reside. So that if Indian citizens ill-treat their wives or violate the law, they can be recalled to India."

The impact could be far-reaching -- the Indian diaspora includes over 16 lakh people in the US and about 12 lakh in the UK.

Chowdhury said an increasing number of complaints have been received from states like Punjab, Andhra Pradesh and Kerala of girls being abandoned or cheated by their NRI husbands. "They (NRIs) can't just marry and not accept responsibility for their families," she added.

The overseas Indian affairs ministry has received complaints from about 30,000 women who have either been deserted after marriage or been cheated by the groom's families.

CPM politburo member Brinda Karat said the number of deserted women in the Doaba region of Punjab alone was about 15,000. She suggested close networking with women's organisations and community participation as a solution. A formal network would provide background checks on the grooms and a legal framework will help women outside the shores of India. Karat also recommended that officials in Indian missions abroad should be sensitised to these problems.



#451
DiLemma
September 10, 2007
03:17 PM

I just want to know one thing...does 'women' encompass all women or just the majority (hindu women). Can a muslim woman avail the benefits of this law? A muslim woman's fate falls under Muslim Law in India. Domestic Violence is not a criteria for filing for divorce by a muslim woman. It is law above muslim law? or is our country once again about reservations? reservations for this reservations for that...Can someone who knows tell me something. Everyone seems to be talking about the pros and cons of this law but who are the beneficiaries? All women? or just hindu women?

#452
Aditi Nadkarni
URL
September 10, 2007
03:30 PM

I only hope that the manifestations of this law reach the grassroot, rural levels where it is most needed. But in those areas women fear social stigma and status at having their "ghar ka mamlal" get to the police. So maybe a law such as this requires a simultaneous evolving of attitudes and mentalities as well. Maybe some good can come if people spread the word and sent counselors/ volunteers/ doctors etc to educate the women in the rural reas about the implications of this law and why they need to stand up against domestic abuse.

The article is very well-written Sakshi. You have addressed all aspects of a discussion pertaining to the new DV law. Quite informative and timely.

#453
Man Singh
September 10, 2007
07:10 PM

Aditi in rural areas people are less greedy and humane then the urban areas. In rural areas hardly 1% people are greedy and abuse their spouses due to joint family pressures and very little oportunity for husbands to even speak to his wife in front of his parents.

Domestic violence, inhuman treatment and dowry deaths are more prevalent in cities as people in cities are lead a bit more greed oriented life.

Most of the families in rural areas even today follwo a principle that laxmi moves out of house where women are tortured though women also expected to behave decently.

Therefore volunteers and cousellors are more needed among greedy people of cities and not so much in rural areas as you wrote down.

Yes rural women folks have some biggers problems then domestic violence the most important is `space with privacy'. Even for fulfilling the call of nature they have to use open spaces many times.

they do not have proper privacy while taking bath and they do not get a separate room to sleep with their husbands. Situation becomes worst in summer where whole family sleeps in open.

Domestic violence can not be stopped by any law. Root of eveil is lack of kindness in character. Character is build by Dhrarma and not by laws of teh constitution. Therefore to build up the character of people we have to resurrect Dharma in modern form.

Unfortunately educated Indians mesmerised by western ideas fail to think deeply on problems and start dancing at every step governments takes by blindly copying western style law to solve our social problems but get upset by hearing this word `dhrama'

That's why problems remian where they were. Laws will never help. Dharma can eliminate problems from root.

Daya dhriti khsama shoch aparigrah satya dam sham akrodh indriya nigrah these 10 characterstics if inculcated in character of our youth, almost all social problems will be solved and we will be able to focus on economic issues much better way.

#454
Men_rights
November 15, 2008
07:26 AM

Flashback Review: 2 years have come by after Renuka Chowdhury created this law and she targets BJP governments for lack of implementation of this infamous law.

The fact is she used similar laws to target her inlaws and get them arrested.

Sadly this law is not gender neutral. There has been a Madhya pradesh high court ruling towards this was well. Supreme court has called this law the most poorly drafted law. Somnath Chaterjee a lawyer himself described this law as the best law passed by the parliament.

So will Gender politics be played in India like the way we see in US vis-a-vis Sara Palin / Hillary ?

#455
ravi
November 16, 2008
09:52 AM

where is sakshi juneja?

as usually, sakshi wrote some biased articles which has baseless statistics( lies or at least sugar coated). If you saw her posts she just post what she feel, but she never reply to critics. perhaps she don't like to see how her biased views are slaughtered by the people.

#456
ravi
November 16, 2008
10:37 AM

70% of women facing DV is a lie spread by feminists.

See UN apology for misleading people
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2006/nov/28/20061128-102228-2806r/

But feminists still spreading the crap that "70% women facing DV".

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