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How Pakistani Government Promotes Terrorism and the US State Department May Be Involved!
Desh
It is the same pattern isn't it? The Government and the Indian Prime Minister gets all of a peacenik and just when the Indian PM wears the Peace-Clothes, there is a big terrorist attack in India. And then despite the newly worn peace-clothes, the Indian PM gets to eat his words! And once the new clothes are off - the PM comes back to announce that it was the Pak-based terrorists who were behind it. Of course, the terrorists had the Pak Government backing. Well ISI is part of the Government establishment isn't it? Every Pak citizen and his brother goes around trying to distance the state policy from ISI's working. For them, it might be different - but you know for us in India, we really do not give two hoots. As long as ISI is a Government-backed and funded organization, the complicity is clear and unequivocal! Whatever the grand announcements from Mushy!
This time Musharraf again made a grand announcement to give them proof - so India conveniently says - hmm how about handing over the Dawood Ibrahim and Syed Sallahuddin! Naah, comes the reply. We cannot! In fact the Pakistani Foreign Minister thinks that is a strange requirement:
Asked if Pakistan will allow questioning of terrorist leaders by Indian police, he said: "You are asking very strange things. For example, we have not allowed the United States of America, which is our ally for the last 50 years (to question disgraced nuclear scientist A Q Khan)."
Where is US in all this? Well, if you were to listen to one of most well-known Intelligence commentator, you will know that the US State Department has time and again tried to stall any move on Pakistan. From the Khalistani terrorists to the Kashmiri terrorists to Dawood - they never ever listened to India or let CIA believe in India's evidences. The question obviously is why? That is a tough question to answer. But I have seen a lot of times when US has given Pakistan a free hand on many clandestine activities. From the Nuclear Proliferation of A. Q. Khan to its relationship with China and North Korea.
Here are some of the times when Senior Indian Intelligence Officer B. Raman found it rather clearly the complicity of the US State Department with Pakistan's corrupt and terrorist set-up!
1. After the 1962 Indo-China war, India Intelligence Bureau sought TECHINT capabilities from US. The US President Kennedy did give his approval too, but with the condition that India will only use that equipment against China and NOT Pakistan! In 1970, RM Kao, the RAW head visited US - he was told by the CIA Chief: ".... we all cheat in this profession. I know R&AW will cheat and use the equipment given by us for the collection of TECHINT about Pakistan. Make sure our State Department does not come to know of it. If it does, the State Department will demand that we cancel our cooperation with you and withdraw from you the equipment given by us. I will have to do this."
2. In first half of 1980's, Khalistani terrorists hijacked a number of planes. In one of the hijacking, the Khalistani terrorists took a plane without any arms while posing they were armed! They took the plane to Lahore. There the ISI officers gave them a revolver - a German-made revolver - and let them take off to Dubai. There the hijackers were caught and the revolver handed over to the Indian authorities. Indians had it checked with the West German Intelligence and they came back with the evidence that the revolver was part of one of the consignment sold by the Germans to Pakistan. This proof was rejected too by the US as an evidence of Pakistani complicity!
3. Kanishka bombing was another major disaster which had clear and direct action from Pakistan. Many worried Western Governments started monitoring the Khalistanis activities and collected enough evidence about their direct links to ISI and Pakistan. When B. Raman asked his counterparts in those Western Intelligence agencies to show the evidence to US, he was told: : "We know the CIA has more intelligence regarding the Pakistani sponsorship of terrorism against India than all of us together have. The CIA was convinced a long time ago about the ISI's sponsorship of terrorism. The problem is not with the CIA. It is with the State Department, which does not want to act against Pakistan."
4. After the 1993 Mumbai blasts, police recovered grenades of Austrian design. When Austrian experts flew into India and verified the design was Austrian and made in a Pakistani factory with Austrian technology and machine tools. There was also a timer, which was of US make. Naively, B. Raman sent the timer to US, for verification and certification. What he got back was an unsigned paper and as assertion on being queried that it was not enough proof of Pak complicity because it could have been stolen by the terrorists! When India asked for the timers to be returned, it was told that the timers were destroyed by mistake!
There were many other examples like these in his experience.
Another evidence of US State Department and Pakistan's Jehadi ISI-Army nexus came just before the Afghan War through this report in the Wall Street Journal, where the US let Pakistan fly out its Army officials - including at the ranks of Brigadiers - out of Kunduz. Of course, this report was initiated based on the story run by Indian newspapers and none of the Western newspapers. To wonder it was selectively leaked by Indian intelligence who were closely watching the Pakistanis at that time goes without saying!
Not one but multiple sorties were undertaken:
On Saturday, the same day as the second Indian report, the New York Times ran a story that caught my eye. "Pakistanis Again Said to Evacuate Allies of Taliban," said the headline over a report filed, from a place called Bangi, near Kunduz, by Dexter Filkins and Carlotta Gall. They told of eyewitness accounts by Northern Alliance soldiers "that Pakistani airplanes had once again flown into the encircled city of Kunduz to evacuate Pakistanis who have been fighting alongside Afghan Taliban forces trapped there." The Times reported that earlier in the week, "alliance officials said they had been told by a Taliban leader in Kunduz that at least three Pakistani Air Force planes had landed in recent days on similar missions."
Tunku, the author of the WSJ report asks a valid question: why did the U.S. choose to turn a blind eye to their rescue? and answers it subsequently with a kind of resignation:
My guess is that Secretary of State Colin Powell, with whom the Pakistani dictator has developed an unseemly and unctuous rapport, called in all his chips on this one. The evasiveness of U.S. top brass on the subject suggests they are embarrassed over the affair. How could they not be? Weren't the men the Pakistanis rescued the very men this country is at war with? And weren't these some of the very men Mr. Rumsfeld said had only two choices before them at Kunduz, death or surrender?
Varadarajan ends with a hope: One day, when the war in Afghanistan is well and truly done, we will get answers to all these questions.
We all know the Afghan war has ended but did you get any answers?
Well the entire episode did not end here. ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad himself had USD 100,000 wired to Mohd. Atta before 9-11. This is what Pepe Escobar says about that:
In early October 2001, Indian intelligence learned that Mahmoud had ordered flamboyant Saeed Sheikh - the convicted mastermind of the kidnapping and killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl - to wire US$100,000 from Dubai to one of hijacker Mohamed Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.A juicy direct connection was also established between Mahmoud and Republican Congressman Porter Gross and Democratic Senator Bob Graham. They were all in Washington together discussing Osama bin Laden over breakfast when the attacks of September 11, 2001, happened.
Mahmoud's involvement in September 11 might be dismissed as only Indian propaganda. But Indian intelligence swears by it, and the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has confirmed the whole story: Indian intelligence even supplied Saeed's cellular-phone numbers. Nobody has bothered to check what really happened. The 9-11 Commission should pose very specific questions about it to FBI director Robert Mueller when he testifies this month.
So what is US State Department's beef in promotion of terrorism in South Asia and are the US Government's tears just proverbial crocodile's?
How Pakistani Government Promotes Terrorism and the US State Department May Be Involved!
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Sanjay
July 25, 2006
08:55 PM
Sorry to give critical commentary -- DesiGirl will quickly slant it as "venom" -- but the US doesn't care if India suffers from terrorism. It only cares about the US getting hit by terrorism. All corners of the US policymaking establishment know that Pakistan is sponsoring terrorism and religious fanaticism, but they find it easier to act as apologists for Pakistan than to try and eliminate the terror threat that it poses.
The Britney Spears Brigade may not have the attention span to notice Pakistan's long pattern of cultivating religious extremism -- not just at the expense of its neighbors but at the expense of its own social stability as well -- and so there's no telling how bad things would have to get before the bubble of artificial reality bursts.
Maybe these worthy intellects can provide us with their socio-political perspectives to help us with solutions. Hello, Britney?
PerihelionFlux
URL
July 26, 2006
01:33 AM
it is in the western interests that there is always sabre-rattling and wars going on in the Indian sub-continent and other "third world" countries. this helps perpetuate the notion of "uncivilised louts who need to be civilised" and "we are peaceful and modern but THEY are medieval and tribals" in the western mindset thus legitimising any invasion or incursion in these "third world" countries. case in point: Iraq.
who carved up India into pakistan? it wasn't the Indian people's wish. it was a sectarian wedge thrust into India's heart by propping up "leaders" like Jinnah as the mouthpiece of muslims who demanded a separate state. Indians and pakistanis have been fighting each other ever since..poor sods...playing into the hands of gora saabs, just like old times.
strategy #1: how can a country grow when it is always fighting within itself or fighting outside forces? the bright brains of the western pirates and discoverers had figured it out a long time back...kill off all natives in the land you invade if you can and even if a small number of them survive, they will die out due to weakening of their genetic pool or will be indistinguishably absorbed by cross-marrying with the invaders...case in point: red indians in America slaughtered by europeans and aboriginals in Australia hunted by poms...
why this hasn't happened in India? ironically our big numbers saved us..too difficult to kill off so many Indians and it wouldn't have succeeded in the past and it will never succeed now. so how could India be kept down? strategy # 2 to the rescue.
strategy #2: foment trouble in other up and coming countries while building up your own wealth..don't take the side of the stronger country cause that will make it even stronger. support the weaker country against the stronger one while weakening the weaker country even further by corrupting its public institutions as this nullifies the nourishing effect of the support given.
This is why US supports Pakistan cause they are the weaker side and their top mandarins are putty in the hands of the yanks to be moulded any which way..war mongering militarist yesterday and "important ally in the war against terrorism" today (Mr. Perfidious Pervez Mushy Musharraf)
the west has progressed not so much by its industrious and illustrious minds' efforts as it has by denying the opportunity to grow to other peoples either by actively pillaging their wealth in the past or by means of restrictive and stifling trade practices and selective trade blocs in the more "politically correct" and "gentlemanly" modern times and western social milieu. (funny how people in the west say sorry if they happen to so much as brush against your coat sleeves and yet show no compunction when their elected governments blast the beallah, a la bejesus, out of third world folks).
if India has to overcome these "friendly faces with daggers behind their backs" cultured soft talking vultures, then Indians have to see through the game, know its rules and play it like professionals.
Meaning of all this?? economic strength and hegemony is the only weapon which will subdue the double-headed serpent of foreign intervention and internal emasculation.
Need a case study? Look at China. its current economic strength sends shivers down the spines, constricting the anal sphincters of any wannabe foreign troublemakers to such an extent that they are finding it difficult to breath.
all they can say is "ooh" and "aah" with their faces creased with fake expressions of marvelling when they discuss China.
Desh
URL
July 26, 2006
02:04 AM
Sanjay & PF:
Thanks for such detailed comments! I do agree that US doesnt care about India or Pak. But I really could not understand how the episode of USD 100k wire to Atta by the ISI chief wasnt taken seriously? It sounds downright masochistic to me.
I personally do not buy the picture of Pakistani leaders in ISI and the Army to be some lollipop sucking babies who are always "led" to do something... I think those guys - devilish in their intent as they are - have single-handedly created the vast Jehadi network of Islamic Army around the world. What AQ KHan was doing with his famous Nuke Bazaar wasnt easy.. and wasnt simple!!
So, its a toss up in my eyes as to who is using who? I am not saying that US is not a meddling force.. they are.. but not everyone they engage with is equally dumb!
Cheers,
-d.
drishtikone.com
Lakshmikanth
URL
July 26, 2006
04:02 AM
Desh,
another interesting thing: why is not the US not able to capture OBL. WHen most of the intelligence points out to his existence in Pakistan?
The US state dept. is not only anti India, its anti-US-citizen too!
balaji
July 26, 2006
06:10 AM
Well said Lakshmikanth!
Desh
URL
July 26, 2006
09:04 AM
Lakshmikanth:
Good point! That is why I used the word masochistic!! I do not know why they were involved in all this terrorism cover up from Khalistani terrorism to the current jehadi set up.
I am convinced that no peace is ever possible with Pakistan (and the Pak establishment will not let us live without terrorism) until its Army and ISI is completely disbanded and revamped. Until the current establishment of the Army and ISI is there ... the violence-mentality will continue!
I do realize that common Pakistani is not to be blamed... but that is not any consolation to the common man in India whose nearone dies in a bomb attack!
So, as far as I am concerned, going for peace with Pakistani Establishment is a nonsensical approach... somehow the same policy need to be followed that was followed by US vs the Soviets.. escalate the stakes so high that the Union itself becomes bankrupt...
... I personally feel that Vajpayee had the right ideas.. as did Jaswant Singh (probably the best ever Foreign Minister India ever had!).
Whoever says Kashmir is the main issue is an imbecile idiot.. Kashmir is a Symptom of the mindset.. not the CAUSE! For, if Pakistan's heart really did beat all that loud for the Kasmiris that those in Gilghit and other PoK areas would have had a better lot....
.... and the areas they literally sold off to China in Aksai Chin would have never been!! If Kashmir indeed was one's "Izzat".. you dont go about selling it for money all over the place .. do you?
So, whenever someone from across the border starts the "My Heart Beats for Kashmir" nonsense - I find it nauseating and an insult to my intelligence!!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
temporal
URL
July 26, 2006
11:42 AM
desh:
I am convinced that no peace is ever possible with Pakistan...until its Army and ISI is completely disbanded and revamped.
agree with above
the occupying army (and its runaway child ISI) has to be put back under full civilian control before any meaningful normalisation of relations can begin
I do realize that common Pakistani is not to be blamed... but that is not any consolation to the common man in India whose nearone dies in a bomb attack!
so very true!...and as for kashmir...the "common man" in pakistan faces more pressing problems...and in most areas of pakistan is an unwilling accomplice of the occupying army's obsessive and self-protective focus on the issue...kashmir and islam are the two bogey issues they have used over and over again to divert common man's attention away from their more immediate problems -- law and order, health, education, responsive administration
temporal
URL
July 26, 2006
11:44 AM
Lakshmikanth:
why is not the US not able to capture OBL.?
the scrambling ex-CIA operative serves the objectives of the neoconzix in the bush admin.
Desh
URL
July 26, 2006
12:53 PM
Temporal:
Agree with you. But I think you will also appreciate that there are a number of "common Pakistanis": some who believe and empathize with the Kashmir/Islam bogie and those who dont.
And until those who dont empathize are trampled over by those who do.. the common man in India will pay for the lack of voice in the "peace-loving" common Pakistani citizen!
I have seen a change coming in the last 2-3 years but that is not substantial enough yet. For last 8-9 years I have been reading three columns in Dawn newspaper regularly - Opinion, Editorial, and the Letters with the hope to listen to the Intellectuals, JOurnalists, and the common man mindsets. The change where the commentators started asking questions occured in the last 2 years only. Personally, I am a fan of Shahid Burki who seems to write with a direct voice and one that is well informed.
I believe that from the Indian perspective, the stakes for disbanding Pakistani Army should be raised so high by India that it becomes impossible for that establishment to do what they are doing!
Cheers,
Desh
Drishtikone.com
temporal
URL
July 26, 2006
02:07 PM
Desh:
unfortunately 'common man' gets shafted in both countries....you know...the squeaky wheels get the grease:)
I have seen a change..... the last 2 years only.
can you read urdu, sindhi pushto papers?....to get a real pulse of the semi-literate desis there you need to read the letters and columns and views expressed there...you will be shocked by the utter condescension, umbrage, vitriol and delusion ...and not pleasantly....
what am attempting to convey is one cannot get a feel of the whole country's pulse by reading 'three columnists and editorials and letters' in daily dawn ...that is akin to learning of India's pulse by only devouring the chandigarh tribune (nothing against that paper - just making a valid point;))
Personally, I am a fan of Shahid Burki who seems to write with a direct voice and one that is well informed.
:)...
dc based ex-w/b fellow burki is a marginal player within the pakistani establishment....(digression: he was a business associate and close to the former parachuted PM moeen qureshi)
I believe that from the Indian perspective, the stakes for disbanding Pakistani Army should be raised so high by India that it becomes impossible for that establishment to do what they are doing!
this i find confused and fraught with danger...if you mean that the stakes are raised so high that the army has to disband itself etc.....then we will be wading into uncharted waters
briefly:
to continue on the economic progress course it has chartered for itself india needs peaceful neighbours ... wrt pakistan that can happen if the occupying army is not disbanded (that would be chaotic) but put under full and firm civilian control...that, unfortunately won't happen anytime soon because uncle sam prefers to deal with dictators (more pliant) than with democratic leaders
Desh
URL
July 26, 2006
03:12 PM
temp:
"what am attempting to convey is one cannot get a feel of the whole country's pulse by reading 'three columnists and editorials and letters' in daily dawn"
i realize that.. but the vitriolic that the vernacular press has was quite visible in the English press too until two years back. It still is to quite some extent. but for a person who cannot go there - such attempts from me were the only ways to understand the "other side".
Cheers,
-d.
shirazi
URL
July 27, 2006
02:50 AM
It was much better if such conttroversial subject were not taken up here - a place to foster friendship, preace and goodwill. No?
Sanjay
July 27, 2006
08:08 PM
Perihelion, are we to believe that Pakistan's Islamic nationalism is inspired by the West? The West may have exploited that sentiment, but they certainly haven't created it.
Who created Mohammed Ghauri? Babur? Aurangzeb? Who named the Hindu Kush mountains?
It's very politically correct of you act the apologist and try to give the Islamists a clean chit, but you'll find there are too many places around the world where Muslims clash with non-Muslims for it to be a Great Western Conspiracy. Sorry, but those people don't get along well with others, and they have the track record to prove it.
Sanjay
July 27, 2006
08:29 PM
Btw, here's a good clip to watch, in order to summarize Pakistan's worldwide accomplishments to date:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbssOdruPQ
Remember, as per the videoclip, the phone number to call is 461-2423 if you have not yet received your 72 virgins. Operators are standing by.
Sanjay
July 29, 2006
05:53 PM
And here we have more hijinks from the Red-Green Show:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/us/30seattle.html
Notice that nowhere does the NYT bother to mention that this gunman is a Pakistani. Had the fellow been a Hindu, the NYT would have been crowing about it nostop.
balaji
July 30, 2006
03:08 PM
>>Who created Mohammed Ghauri? Babur? Aurangzeb? ......>>
context my friend sanjay. context.
you cannot compare babur to today's situation.
if you love to do so, you should compare it with ashoka's campaigns.
if it was a single country why should ashoka campaign and have the bloody war of kalinga? why should kanlinga people fight ashoka if they were a part of india? with disastrous consequences?
the reality of india as british left for us was different from what 'india' was earlier.
it is a myth that most of us want to believe that india was india before. it was a cluster of multiple sovereigns. and kings. take it or leave it.
if ever india was india, it was under the british, the moghuls, the mauryas and guptas. that too a limited part of india as we know today and for a limited period.
you should thank aurangazeb, for he campaigned against the south indian kings. and brought even hyderabad under the moghul empire. and expanded the concept of india!
india in my humble view never existed before the british unified india under them, for their sinister purposes.
babur defeated ibrahim lodhi. another muslim. who fought for 'india'?
myths have an enticing quality.
pardon my english sirji. i studied in a vernacular medium ;)
hope you wd engage with the ideas than with the english! whatever color they might have! red, green etc., etc., as you adduce!
Nachiketa
July 30, 2006
07:17 PM
balaji,
Ashoka's campaign against Kalinga was not a religeous war unlike Babur's.
Further, your logic about India never being one country is very glib.
If we take your logic, Turkey should not be one because the Kurds fight against it, the same with Iran. UK should not be one because the Scots and the Irish don't always assimilate well. There's pretty much no country in the world that has not had it's historical borders altered over time or has some disaffected population or the other.
Your very own Pakistan abuses Shia, ahmediyas, hindus and christians. The Balochi freedom fighters are brutally repressed as well. In addition, historically Pakistan has never really existed. Maybe its time to rethink it existence?
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