Desicritics Comments on The Dark Age of Narendra bin Laden

Comment by lomi

Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:01:26 EST

One big point in argument, u guys missed: Narendra Modi still exists in blood and flesh and Osama????? Narendra Modi is a War criminal harboured and fed by both BJP and Congress( which in turn means U Indian Voters of BJP and Congress and any supporting party). Logically supporters of crime deserve same punishment as doers of crime. So My Law states: Modi to chopped into pieces and thrown into ganga river. Advani to be hanged in public. Vajpayee to be put into indefinite term of prison. RSS be banned frever. (Using POTA and for stimulating Gandhi Murder, they are not only War criminals They are national Drohis(culprits)) VHP should be banned (using POTA) Sonia Gandhi and her BASTA** family be sent to exile. Congress and BJP should be banned from contesting election fr eternity.

Comment by commonsense

Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:01:13 EST

Kerty my friend, Hope you are feeling on top of the world. I feel happy for you! Commonsense

Comment by commonsense

Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:39:26 EST

Kerty, You are right. I lost the argument and you won, even though from my point of view, this is not what this discussion was all about. Nevertheless, I have to face the music since I cannot argue against reality. Congratulations, baddhaiey hon and shubh-kamnae for your future conquests in debating skills. Best wishes, Commonsense

Comment by kerty

Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:23:56 EST

CS.. When elected CM or PM is bound by laws and constitution in a democracy, than where is your problem? All you guys have to do is to do your due diligence and prove it in court of laws and nail him if he is found in violation of any laws. You do have freedoms to do that, don't you? Do you think people are not doing that already? There is a whole committed army of activists doing that for many years now. If you haven't been able to prove anything, even after many years of trying hard, than show some respect for the democracy and laws that protect the innocents until they are proven guilty - as an elected leader, he is entitled to carry out the will of people without being subjected to campaign of wild allegations, lies, vilification and hate. You are essentially trolling here and insulting democracy and people. Come back to discuss when you have actually proven something in courts. That is common sense.

Comment by commonsense

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:20:16 EST

Kerty, It is commonsense that regardless of who is elected, the person, CM or PM is bound by the laws and the constitution. I am not sure which democratic theory or practice you refer to. Just because someone is elected does not mean they can do anything they want until the next election. An elected head of the state or the country represents not only those who voted for him or her but everyone in the nation or state, period. This is the basis of any democratic polity, in theory at least. Unadulterated commonsense, straight from the source. (In practice of course the situation is quite different, and that's why problems crop up)

Comment by kerty

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:05:31 EST

CS Just repeating it again and again does not prove that there exists any agenda of hate and bloodshed. In fact the opposite is true - those who keep repeating these lies do have agenda of hate, bloodshed and anti-development. In a democracy, elected leaders represent will and mandate of people. They are accountable to people and they can be removed thru ballot box. You will get your chance again to remove Modi after 5 years . Better do your home work this time in stead of whining like sore losers or repeating same lies that never worked before.

Comment by commonsense

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:53:44 EST

Kerty, Interesting arguments for justifying the agenda of hate and bloodshed. The so-called "development" agenda is being pushed now because everybody knows that hate, bloodletting and destruction cannot be full-time occupation. This is commonsense. Just because somebody is elected it does not mean they have carte blanche to do anything. Are we justifying monarchy now. Any elected respresentative once he/she is elected represents everyone, not just a sectarian slice of the population. Otherwise we are back to unconstrained monarchy, the alice in wonderland scenario of "off with his head" just because I said so.

Comment by kerty

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:43:04 EST

Mayank.. You have to agree that Fanatism and progress do not go hand in hand. Radical agenda and development can not go together. When one has an ulterior agenda, priorities change, development can no longer remains a top priority, everything else must need to be sacrificed for higher goals. One can not be for development and for religious wars, all at once. Thus, characterization of Modi in media is entirely a fabrication and people of Gujarat know it first hand, and time and time again, they have spoken to deaf years of people like you and media. Lets look at pseudo secular parivar and see if they really stand for development and if they have delivered on it in last 60 years. We know Islamist only believe in loot and plunder to create power, but for oil riches created by plundering what mother earth created, they still would be living off robbing and looting everything else that live on this earth. We know communists don't believe in wealth, which it considers to be a source of all exploitations and evils. Thus negating the wealth and persecution of wealth-creation remain its top priority. We know socialists believe that development without justice is perpetuation of injustices, and until such injustices are removed, people should not be allowed to create development and thereby perpetuate injustices. Thus social justice, equality, redress for past, distribution of wealth as they define it remain its sole agenda and only development that can be permitted is that which can pass thru its litmus tests and approvals. Thus never ending and constantly escalating maze of social justices not development remain its agenda and source of power. We know what missionaries are after - soul of India. They are opportunists and prey on human conditions created by pseudo-secular anti-development politics and its social justice crusades. More human misery, more impoverishment, more exploitations, more social injustices means more converts. So they align with whoever can produce more of them among Hindus while happily blaming hindus while posing as compassionate, caring and self-righteous. Not development but more human misery is its mission priority. We know what Macaulites stand for. Slavish mentality. Look west for inspirations and marching orders. Great imitator of everything but Indian. Educated but illiterate, full of information but no knowledge or wisdom, sophisticated but culturally uprooted, know-it-all arrogant but ignorant, superficially Gandhian in dialectic but hedonistic and materialistic in orientation and lifestyle. Trained to look down upon everything but themselves, carry the burden of guilt and shame for India like a badge of being erudite and civilized. They live among Indians but perpetually feel ashamed of what India and Indians are. Apologetic and shamed of other India at a drop of a hat. Hollow from inside but suffer incurable know-it-all arrogance and superiority complex. Their article of faith - Indians are terrible but somehow they are not - holier-than-thou attitude. This is the class that provides political discourse in India. Thus, it remains mired in confusion rather than producing enlightened one. This article is perfect example of how to confuse rather than inform and enlighten. Maculiutes can not produce devlopment, it can only produce confusion and slavery. Thus entire pseudo secular Parivar stands discredited on the issue of development vs Fanaticism. Notwithstanding what it may tout as its plank of minority development, inclusive development, self-sufficiency, rural development etc. Development is simply not its priority or agenda. Give them 50 more years, and we would still be debating same old issues and lack of development. Its politics of taking one step forward and 3 steps backward can not deliver development nor fool people anymore. On the other hand, Modi has given new paradigm of development. Some argue that its people of Gujarat that has led development and not Modi. I don't know if Gujaratis have special genes that separate them from rest of Indians and make them super-achievers. Gujaratis are benefiting because somebody has created right climate and framework for development in Gujarat. Development can only be lead by people and government's role is merely to get out of its way and act as a facilitator and broad policy maker. Government's job is to liberate people from non-developmental pursuits and empower them so that they can create development on their own - that is what Modi's government has done. If it were such an easy feat, how come it hasn't been duplicated in all other states? Why are they so afraid of Modi's development plank? Who is stopping them from development? It is very simple, those who demonize Modi have radical, extremist, destructive agenda and development does not fall into their priority or agenda. Vote for Modi is vote against them.

Comment by kerty

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:42:45 EST

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Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:42:40 EST

Comment by Amit Patel

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:30:32 EST

Well.., When two Bulss are fighting then they both are Bull. When Two Bad people are fighting then Both of them are BAD It is like two italian mafias fighting each other. It is like Shiats and Sunnys fighting.

Comment by kerty

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:24:44 EST

Mayank.. You can trace the rise of Hindutva to rise of Pseudo secularism in India - Mullah, Marxist, macualite and missionary axis is defined as pseudo secularism and congress party being its political parivar. Modi is a counter reaction to pseudo secularism. Just as OBL is a counter reaction to western imperialism and expansionism in Islamic world. That sets Modi as a counter reaction to Islamism - which means if OBL is bad, than Modi has to be good. And if Modi is bad, than Islamism has to be good. But if you posit that both Modi and Islamism are equally bad, than opposing both has to be good - But in order to agree with you, we need to know what is that claims to oppose both and posit as an alternative - so far opposition to both have come mainly from pseudo secular parivar of Mullah, Marxist, Macualite and Missionary axis - by distancing themselves merely from OBL, they can't prove that they oppose Islamism too. On the contrary, their entire power strategy rests on using Islamism to neutralize Hindutva and remove only remaining opposition to their pseudo secularism in India. Thus their ploy that both Modi and OBL are bad and they who oppose them both are good, fall in their own face. People are not convinced that there is an alternative of Modi in India and those who oppose Modi are not clones of OBL.

Comment by kerty

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:57:02 EST

Temporal.. Bush, Indira, Saddam, Churchill, Hitler - they all were elected democratically. And so did Clinton, Bajpai, Atlee, Mandela and many others. Their leadership reflect the will of people who elected them. They reflect the mandate of people and they dutifully carried it out. That is what separates dictators and monarchs and despots - their leadership reflect their own personal will, their own personal agenda, and people dutifully obey such will and mandate like herded sheep. In a democracy, people elect whom they want to elect and what mandate they want to give to their leaders. If people think they need Hitler to take care of needs of time, they will elect one. You really insult democracy and people when you question their will. Such insults come mainly from communists and Islamists who have proven contempt for democracy as well as will of people - for whom state and people are merely toys to be played with for their own power. It is to deal with such menace that make people choose Modi as their leader.

Comment by kerty

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:56:40 EST

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Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:56:01 EST

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Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:55:37 EST

Comment by Amit Patel

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:23:25 EST

13 people convicted in Bilkis Bano rape case. (Godhra Riots) http://www.ibnlive.com/news/13-people-convicted-in-bilkis-banu-rape-case/56832-3.html

Comment by R

Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:55:13 EDT

"surprisingly, i learn that one of prophet's wife was a christian!" The Prophet Mohammad was a sexy man. He had a variety of wives. One of who was also his daughter-in-law. Another was a 6 year old child.... Prophet's followers had many Jewish wives as well. They killed the Jewish men, and married their women, or atleast had them as sex slaves. So what are you suggesting ?

Comment by balaji

Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:02:46 EDT

oops! that comment should have been at the "...middle-east.." post. my sincere apologies.

Comment by balaji

Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:57:54 EDT

that may not be a fair comment. in my view. if i am a hindu and not everything right within my hinduism, does that take away my right to criticize things wrong with fundamentalist, wahabi-islam or conservative-right-wing christianity?

Comment by balaji

Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:41:50 EDT

check temporal's comment about the pakistani journo's interview with obl. sanskrit is greek and mumbo jumbo for one who is a jain and claims to be hindu. here it is. and about myself. those who are ignorant, can be taught. those who are wise can be taught. those who are neither, even god, brahma, the creator, can not help. hope it helps. and om santih santih santihi is not from hindusim. it is from some alien religion and people who long long ago used to live in india. obviously, the narrow-englishbred-hindutva-non-jain folks may not understand. i can understand. probably lord mahaveera may understand. may be the digambaras. may be them. may be not. when hinduism wants to imitate a crusading christianity of medieval ages and a maurading muslim mindset of medieval times, what can one do? except cursing the times of foolishness. again, does every muslim does it? does every muslim believe in what you say? check my friend. before you get burnt with blind hatred. surprisingly, i learn that one of prophet's wife was a christian! any ways. hinduism is doomed. not from those who are non-hindus. from those who claim to be hindus. the talibanized hindus. and, jainism and budhism were in opposition to the vedic hinduism with meaningless practices. that's what i thought. if it were same, where was the need for a mahaveera or a budha? budham sharanam gachami. sangham sharanam gachami. dhammam sharam gachami. again it cd be mumbo jumbo for those who do not believe in budha or mahaveera. what can we do. we are like this only :) om, shantih shantih shantihi.

Comment by Raj

Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:17:43 EDT

"ok, holi quran tells some idiots and criminals to kill." To you they may be 'idiots and criminals', but as per the Holy Quran anybody who kills idol worshipping kufr is Allah's favorite warrior and is guaranteed a passage to heaven.

Comment by Raj

Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:13:43 EDT

Balaji...relgion is not really important to us. Survival is more important. Kill them before they kill us. That is our guiding principal. Or more realistically , when they hit you, hit back so hard that they will think twice before striking back. We are faced with a ruthless enemy , motivated by their religion of hate which sanctions killing of all people who do not share their faith. Rest of your condescending stuff about welcoming Jainism is to 'your' hindu fold is stupid really and shows your ignorance. Jainism is an indic religion, just like Buddhism.Both religions are very much a part and parcel of hinduism and have been so since their inception several centuties ago. I see no contradiction at all in being a Jain and identifying myself as a hindu. All my ancestors have done so for the past many centuries. Jainism and Hinduism are historically complimentary rather than competitive. And please...save your sanskrit mumbo-jumbo...it is all greek to me.

Comment by balaji

Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:05:26 EDT

agnaha sukhamaaradhyaha, sukhataramaaradhyate visheshgnaha gnaana lave durvidagdham, brahmaapi naram na ranjayati.

Comment by balaji

Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:03:29 EDT

oh great. thanks for allotting me to some committee in your fantasy. no problems. will examine if i want to be a member of a balaji committee :) ok, holi quran tells some idiots and criminals to kill. so does hinduism - your kind of jain hinduism. i guess mahaveera must be squirming whereever he is. besides the point. i wd say a criminal is a criminal. "Balaji ...Who are the 'criminals' ? Is Modi a criminal ? Do they become so just because you say so ? Who made you judge and jury ? As per the law of the land, Modi is as much a criminal as you are or as Sachin Tendulkar is." did i say modi was a criminal? you are presuming. unless guilt makes one do so :) check my writings here! was i sitting on judgment. let any one judge. i said criminals are criminals. whatever provocation. killers are killers. whateve their faith. and who us judge, jury, victim and accuser here? check. i do not care. if i need to believe in the rule of law. or dlemocracy which is suppose to uphold the rule of law. i have no objection as a jain you want to own up hinduism. so many did. that's the beauty of hinduism. at least my kind of hinduism. does not discriminate. loves every one. talks about vasudhaika kutumbakam. pettiness in my hinduism? no way. hatred in my hindusim. no way. murderous thouhts in my hinduism. definitely no way. killing innocents and feeling good about it? not in my hinduism. my hinduism opens its arms and welcomes everyone. does not imitate intolerant behaviors. picks up the the noble of the thoughts from everywhere. did some upanishad say that noble thoughts envelop us from all sides? that probalby reflect my hinduism. not hatred spewing, narrow, murderous, revengeful, cheap ugly, inhuman, innocent killing hinduism. thank god for my hinduism. did the thousands who got raped, killed, maimed, burnt were rapists, murders, killers, looters? a religion which can't see truth is no religion at all. a religion which is not human is no religion at all. sarve janah sukhinobhavantu. om, santih, santih, santihi.