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<title>Comment by Miss12</title>
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<title>Comment by Miss12</title>
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<title>Comment by balaji</title>
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<description>It is getting curioser and curioser.

Mr. Premji. A person who acquired his business from his father. No issues.

The chamar also gets his profession from his father. So does the weaver. So does the potter. So does the bhangi or safaikarmachar as PC would demand.

They have no right to be pilots, doctors, engineers, software professionals or for that matter anything that they are not and others are.

I feel it is nauseaous. Or I must be utterly wrong.

I am sure Mr. Premji, if he is a smart business man and wants to keep the low cost advantage of being the service provider to the world, should worry about the low castes as much. If they do not get educated, and do not have access, his next round of recruitment might suffer. If not today, some day.

As much as Abhishek talked about the ad nauseum stuff, it has been talked about ad nauseum about the meaninglessness of entrance tests. 

What do they measure? Ability to mug up? Ability to have access to the &#039;corporate&#039; slave driving institutions which get their inspiration from broiler farms?

What do the engineering college tests measure? Rote learning and speed? And some vocabulary - that too English?

The OBCs, the STs and the SCs are born incapable. There is no merit in them. They are condemned. They have been so far. Some of the wily ones from them got benefitted for the last 50+ years. No progress in their lives. Even when they pass the same exams that every one passes. Entry or Exit where does the system measure Merit? God knows. If there is  one.

They could not overcome their backwardness of thousands of years of deprivation in 50 years. Does it not prove that they are not competent? Does it not prove that they have no merit? Mother nature went to sleep after she distributed merit and intelligence to those who merited it. Rest, serve the first. As potters, weavers, safaifolks, maid servants, drivers, peons etc.

Very fair. 

Let the government provide good education to all the people. Good education. And Mr. Premji would distribute some CDs with English accent to government schools which may have been beneficiaries of Pentium Is if some computer company thought they cannot junk them and get some good social visibility by donating them.

Does not matter if they do not have a decent building. Does not matter even if they do not have a bulb or electric connection. 

Brilliant. There is no need to do any thing in the short term. 

Short term, Medium term and Long term are concepts only necessary for business folks. Rest of them  have to wait till Manna from Heaven falls.

Probably after 100 years? probably 1000 years? May be 2000 years? Well the problem has a genesis for more than 3000 years. probably round Gupta&#039;s time when the caste system got entrenched as some leftist idiotic historians would like one to believe. May be they are just that. Idiots. It never was. 

You can&#039;t solve it in 50 years! Every one was patient for 50+ years. We have seen that. Only the fat from the so called deprived have benefited from it. Since the other really poor blokes cannot benefit from it, the system does not work. So let us junk it. And who decides? A handful Medicos who already made it and want more.

No issues. Such is the rationale of the world.

Nobody need show sympathy for the poor blokes. It is indignifying. They will figure out. If they did not worry about why their lives as they are as they are for so many thousands of years, should they now? Unfair. How can incompetent and non-meritorious people expect to merit some thought?

I also wonder at the myth that Media is leftist. That depends from where you see it. Like Hebrew is read from right to left or like English which is read from left. It is confusing. But interestingly you hardly see any sound bytes except for the dumba$$ Singh. Who any way does not know which is which. When is when, and what is what. So goes the baby and the proverbial bath water.

And other voices? There is none which merit the fleeting attention of the handmaiden of money, MEDIA! 

Prakritimyaanti Bhootani, Nigrah kim karishya.... so does the Gita say. Each would behave according to their nature, why foolish thoughts to control or influence?



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<pubDate>Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:46:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Neetha</title>
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<description>Kerala and TamilNadu are examples where reservation has been successfully implemented. The substantial effects of reservation in health care can be understood by comparing health care indices between North and South India. The website below has an article which shows the comparison of figures between North and South. Infact Kerala has one of the best health care systems on par with developed countries.

http://socialjustice.ekduniya.net/Merits%20of%20Reservation.doc/file_view?portal_status_message=File%20changes%20saved
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<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 12:15:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Abhishek</title>
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<description>1)Shantanu, why not take a &quot;strong position&quot; here? The Government is taking away my rights in the garb of &quot;social equality&quot; when it knows that reservations haven&#039;t helped anyone so far.

2)I didn&#039;t repeat anything that has been reported ad nauseam. It makes no sense. There are far more better write ups than this on the same issue.

3)The media has it&#039;s biases. Overwhelmingly leftist. This was the thrust of the post here. Upper caste or lower caste doesnt make a difference. Look at what Praful Bidwai, Vinod Mehta et al have to write about it and you&#039;d know. Only Zee News is giving a detailed coverage to the reservation issue.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 06:27:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Desigirl</title>
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<description>Hello,
One of my cousins sent this to me yesterday and it seems like a good place to share it with everyone. 
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Wipro chairman Mr. Azim Premji&#039;s comment on reservation 

I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let&#039;s start
the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for Muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that.
Cricket rules should be modified accordingly.
The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by an OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century.
We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player. Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal.
Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.
There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let&#039;s recruit SC/ST and OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and politicians
(that can really help the country...)
Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country...)
Let&#039;s be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA forward...
Lets show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country.
Let&#039;s be proud of being an INDIAN...
May the good breed of politicians like ARJUN SINGH long live...</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 04:56:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Shantanu Dutta</title>
<link>http://desicritics.org/2006/05/31/001236.php#comment-12331</link>
<description>In most of the media coverage, email campaigns, personal communication etc., we find that people take a very strong position - pro or anti. The arguments about high or low intelligence, privileged or not so privileged follow. Rarely do we find anyone substantiating their stands with adequate information base. Several questions are raised: Do we want incapable Drs. or engineers? Do we not need to be compensated for the deprivation for the past? Don&#039;t we have the right to equality?Then there is the question that the people in the media are also people, like you and me. Just because they represent the media which is supposed to be a fair mouthpiece of the views of the people, doesn&#039;t mean they really are. Who do you think are the people who control what kind of news gets reported? Are they upper caste people or do they belong to the lower castes? The answer should be quite obvious.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 01:13:09 EDT</pubDate>
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