Desicritics Comments on Spam, Constitution And Forums Aka Random Ramblings Of A spammed Victim

Comment by sumanth

Sun, 14 May 2006 15:42:36 EDT

Societies (and also internet) can collectively behave like a massive brain. Just the way, a neuron in brain is made of both certain and uncetain behaviour, a human communicating with fellow humans(in real and in internet) can transmit meta-info which can be certain and also uncertain. Society as a massive brain can resist change and can have collective memory (not really accessible to an individual). The other way to approach is to look at the whole nervous system(in brain extending to society) as a fractal. In last days of Dec 99 (when the hijacked Indian Airlines plane was on the tarmac of Kandhahar airport), I met Takeshi Yamakawa (at ISI, Kolkatta) first on breakfast table and then in the conference session. The main discussion was towards making dynamic neural networks extrapolate (which differential equations do with ease). When extended to societies, how does a society react to situations which it is unfamiliar with? Can a society extrapolate? If yes, then how to make it more effective? -------- Many years back, I was bit concerned about centralised systems (whether it is IBM mainframe, Barings Bank or cut-paste Constitution of a country). A centralised system is like Nimrod's pillar (or like the centralised electric/computer controlled system in Jurassic park). Can a highly centralised media serve a democratic society well? Promotion of more and more bottom-up decentralised systems, can help enhance stability in present day highly charged socio-economic systems worldwide. Too many top-down systems will work to stop growth of decentralised bottom-up systems. This conflict can be observed in internet and in blogosphere. A highly centralised/generic constitution alongwith a stiff (non-fuzzy) legal system imposed on a highly diversified society is leading to sub-optimal performance. The democracy, which gets the feedback signal once in 5 years (in an age of complexity), is also highly suboptimal.

Comment by Righta

Fri, 12 May 2006 02:25:32 EDT

To Spam or to be spammed, thats the question

Comment by Lakshmikanth

Fri, 12 May 2006 02:08:24 EDT

Exactly... You hit the nail on the head. Bart Kosko is a great researcher in this particular field.. however coming to your point. Chaos exists and relates to something fundamental in the Universe, many call it God, many call it nature, many people call it probability. Kosko/Yamakawa et all call it Fuzz,I use a more general and personal form of chaos called symbolic representational uncertainty. The crux of your argument: assuming the internet to be a neural network, is kind of flawed. A neural network has each neuron behaving within well defined limits.. there is enough literature to check out the firing rates of neurons, check out the works by Bart Kosko and Ashok Patel. I mentioned this particular effect by calling any evolutionary system as a system having a constitution, a set of fundamental behaviour, which cause random chaotic interactions. I am pretty much sure that without these set of axioms we will only see entropy going up.. and not down.. I am researching on that area though... will have some kind of a proof soon...

Comment by Sumanth

Fri, 12 May 2006 01:56:59 EDT

"A society without a constitution, or one that does not follow a constitution can be aptly called a crowd. The Internet is a crowd and not a community." Chaos brings in new order. Chaos can not happen when there is no crowd. Internet is same as a millions of interconnected neurons where each neuron communicates with hundreds more. Its a massive brain/skynet in making. "I wish I knew the solution to this problem." Please do "Zazen" as your prof. Bart Kosko did with guidance from Takeshi Yamakawa. You will realise there is nothing really called "a problem". A problem comes to existence the moment we verbalise it.

Comment by Lakshmikanth

Fri, 12 May 2006 01:42:48 EDT

sure Deepak, I cannot forget all that spam can I? I surely have no choice other than what temporal mentioned.... A man has to do what a man has to do!

Comment by Deepak

Fri, 12 May 2006 01:41:14 EDT

froget it ,when thet get 498 , then they will come to us. They will have no choice.

Comment by Anon

Fri, 12 May 2006 01:38:55 EDT

uncLE, it was for tempo-ral

Comment by Lakshmikanth

Fri, 12 May 2006 01:35:32 EDT

Ohh ok.. i never thought it was serious when i wrote the articel... anyways.. thanks for reminding me about how serious all this is. I think i dont have any truckdriver friends.. I have only a few friends who have spammed me, thats all.. thats why i wrote this articel.. sorry Anon Uncel

Comment by Anon

Fri, 12 May 2006 01:33:05 EDT

we have 1000 people who have suffered 498 now.

Comment by Anon

Fri, 12 May 2006 01:30:42 EDT

that was not for you, it was for your truck driver friend. this is a serious talk. after all in india everyone thinks them to be an actor , model or poet.

Comment by Lakshmikanth

Fri, 12 May 2006 01:26:22 EDT

Anon: I should have begun the article with the words 'Arz Hai', Pardon me :-) thanks for seeing this as poetry... a wonderful compliment in itself.

Comment by Anon

Fri, 12 May 2006 01:23:39 EDT

Lakhu seth when you need 498 education then come to us. You will forget all this poetry, shero shayri. Then your head will work properly and you will be sorry. All of you.

Comment by Lakshmikanth

Fri, 12 May 2006 00:13:29 EDT

Anon: Never mind.. Benito was just another guy who had some wierd fetish...and ofcourse i completely agree to Aaman. T: I completely agree to you, A man definitely hass to do what he has to do!

Comment by Anon

Fri, 12 May 2006 00:10:45 EDT

benito ??

Comment by Aaman

Fri, 12 May 2006 00:07:19 EDT

This is as much about men's rights as Benito Mussolini was about linguine.

Comment by Anon

Thu, 11 May 2006 23:54:47 EDT

this is a serious discussion, abt men's rights.

Comment by temporal

Thu, 11 May 2006 23:01:36 EDT

lakshmikanth: a man has to do what a man has to do...M keeps telling me ;)

Comment by Lakshmikanth

Thu, 11 May 2006 22:40:04 EDT

T: LOL.... Salute you!

Comment by temporal

Thu, 11 May 2006 22:37:59 EDT

We have internet now and that is only source of freedom...er...and sex too...cyber sex, i meant (of course my comment is as pointless as the original one)

Comment by Anon

Thu, 11 May 2006 21:47:06 EDT

In this country only woman get justice. men are haarssed . Constitution is like that only. We have internet now and that is only source of freedom .

Comment by Anon

Thu, 11 May 2006 21:45:40 EDT

Constitution is all weak. law is full of loop holes and 498 can put all in jail. woman says rape all goto jail.

Comment by temporal

Thu, 11 May 2006 11:36:55 EDT

lakshmikanth: this is a conundrum freedom (of speech) is meant to be exercised with responsibility if responsible behaviour is not exercised then it can be exorcised (by the forum moderators)