The Date Rape: When Will Men Learn No Means No?

A deplorable act indeed. But why did you title the article as "The Date Rape"???

Anil has a good point. Was the woman on a date with Kasliwal?

A man with a history of making obscene and lewd gestures at public places has also been accused of another sexual assault on a young girl working at a local call-centre.

Is this Kasliwal you are talking about?

Yeah, I didnt get the date angle either.

What really bugs me are the antiquated laws, the inadequacy of which we are often reminded of and which are then debated ferociously for a couple of weeks and then nothing! Marital rape is not rape, date rape is not rape, you cannot call it rape if your 'reputation is not pristine' or if you were penetrated by a foreign object and so on and so forth. disgusting.

another woman was raped!

technically this:

According to the woman, the accused offered her a lift sometime after 2.30 am on March 11 near Prince of Wales museum in Colaba area.

Amrita -- yes, India has a lot of antiquated laws on gender relations, harming both sexes. Did you also know that there is no rape law in India if a woman forces a man to sexual acts? That there is no law in India if the domestic violence is done by a woman on a man? The law protecting women from domestic violence is so vague (IPC 498A -- search google) any wife can put her husband and his entire family in jail for months without so much as a prima facie evidence and routinely do so just to extort money and the police and judges love it!! India is a medieval society no matter which way we look it. Law changes if they ever happen make it more antiquated through knee-jerk reactions.

Well the 'Date' bit to incorporate the bit where it is most likely that the victim and the accused knew eachother before the crime was committed.

The whole story is very confusing...agreed Abhishek was involved in Drugs & Flesh buying but then the victim herself is a drug addict, homeless and a prostitute (according to sources). Plus now difference in her statements...is just making her case more weaker. As I said in my post, the victim will walk off with money and the accused with his freedom.

Sanjay - Kindly don't get the whole 'men are the victim' angle in this post, agree it does happen but not to the extent of the attrocities done on women by men.

The primary problem is not the lack of laws but the inordinate time for courts to pronounce sentence, the lack of processes for protecting witnesses esp. where there's political or economic muscle on either side, etc. Moreover in rural areas, even FIRs (First Information Report, the mandatory official document that makes the charge) are not registered since the victim is usually underprivileged in some way and the rapist / murderer is connected. In one case reported last year, the rape victim came to the police station and the policemen also got into the act raping her repeatedly. No, antiquated laws are not the problem. The judicial and enforcement agencies are.

bevivek - I completely agree with you. In Western Countries, women have the capacity to walk out of violent marriages or report a rape complaint however here many many women can't afford to do so cause they are not confident of gettin justice and of being humiliated by the society.

@ Sanjay - yes I did know that. And I'll tell you how... it was last year when the media for reasons best known to itself got into a frenzy about rape and started talking about it like they'd just discovered the issue. Statistics were flashed, televised discussions were held and many fingers were pointed. In the midst of all this were three women in particular, all victims : one, a north eastern girl who got raped in delhi; two, an expectant mother on her way to the hospital who was so brutally raped by her rickshaw wallah that she lost her baby in pune; and three, a mother of two who was repeatedly gang raped in front of her children and left to die in bangalore.

Temporal above was one of the people with whom I had the discussion then, that rape is not a "woman's issue" and as long as you see it as a "woman's issue" nothing much is going to be done about it. And here you go - a year later and what do we have? does anyone remember these women who were the focal point of that time?

I sat down and wrote an article about men and women and the culture of denial and thats when i found the things you talk about. at the time i left it incomplete because i'd already discussed those points in various discussions and had talked myself out of an article.

But here we are a year later and I think perhaps I ought to complete it after all because I just seem to have become a part of the denial brigade.

and yes, @ bevivek and @ sakshi - society is biggest component in the mix. but you can't ignore the inadequacy of the law. its a chicken or egg situation. and its not a knee jerk reaction. it might have been kneejerk years ago when the first high profile rape case in independent india came to light, but now its a necessity.

Amrita - The laws have considerly changed over the past few years...however there is still a long road ahead. But according to me, it's the society's perception and outlook towards Rape criminals and victims that need to be changed.

(some) people always boil it down to MEN Vs. WOMEN issue....which basically serves no purpose at the end of the end...for either of the gender. If women are given more rights...then you have the 'Shaming Indian Family' candidates....running around crying 'foul' play and giving the entire women community a bad name.

The bottom line is (some)men & (some)women both abuse the system...but that does not give us the right to judge our views on other men and women.
Law will be useful only if the society understands it's need and co-operate with it. Otherwise, it would be nothing more than a 'legal' jargon.

Amrita -- you are onto something! You will be amazed how many people don't even look at this as a huge problem with antiquated laws (am sure you saw bibek debroy's online pdf study how old they are), a failed criminal justice system and rampant corruption. Police, prosecutors and the judiciary really do not have *any* interest in ordinary women victims. As the article and comments bear out in this case (i don't know the truth) the rich young man may be trapped for money, the police made it high profile because they only love the accused who have the wherewithals to payout (why don't give a damn about poor victims and can get away with it due to the way the laws are -- malimath report). You should do the article... I would love to see one that looks at the issue from both men and women point of view. I'll even be glad to co-write it (have done some writing, we can exchange privately).

Sakshi: I fail to understand why you minimize victimization of men? A victim always looks at him/herself as a victim, not part of a statistic. As a writer, you owe it to them to bring empathy and let truth prevail even above your predilections. If you make the issue of men vs. women, you will wrongly infer most women are dominated/victimized by their husbands and end up overlooking how wrongly our society raises its daughters as a burden to be unshed (resulting in enormous insecurity, fear of abandonment, etc. that manifest into depression, none of that helping her self-esteem to walk out or ability to form and negotiate a relationship..), how many mothers resent their daughters going for freedoms they didn't have (while many more actively encourage them to grow out)... Please do not belittle victims of any crime.

Sanjay - I am not under-mining victimization of men. If you read my previous comment that maybe you would understand what I am trying to say.

It's just that whenever posts on women issue is put up, there are always (few) individuals who try to undermine the whole purpose of the post by bringing up topics of where men have been victims in the hands of some srupulous women. I am not saying that these things don't happen...but it's these comments which turn the whole thing into Men Vs. Women issue.

I say all this from experience. Whenever I have written anything on women rights in India, I have been bombarded with comments and mails from MEN, who are hell bent on giving the entire women clan a bad reputation. They fail to understand that a 'victim' is a 'victim'....NOT A MAN OR A WOMEN.

Maybe I was too hasty on putting my views on your comments....

Sakshi -- bringing up injustices against men also facilitated by the common reason of antiquated laws and broken justice system supports the cause of victims, not undermine them, towards a potential solution. if educated people like us who have the time to look into these issues don't start seeing the commonality now, god bless india!

Sanjay - More than looking for commonality...all we do is mix up the two issues...and still come out with no solution. We rather deal with a problem one at a time...and then move on to the other.

But anywaz, just read about another rape case..this time a 16 year old girl. So yeah the way we heading....GOD BLESS INDIA !!

There are people working on solutions, proposing law changes, bringing some pressure but for all of that to work young and educated people, like the blog-world is going to attract, need to have the patience and willingness to understand the intricacies of the system and act as a group to look at these issues from a 21st century and fair point of view. The laws as exist were written for the 30% of population that would be dead within a couple of decades. The rest of the 70% (unforutnately includes the kasliwals too) needs to define its priorities. Starting here. With patience.

Sanjay - Yes, there are crimes committed against men too and as humans will, laws are abused to victimise the man. Some years back due to increase in domestic violence, there were draconian sections added to the Indian penal code (sections 498A and 406) to tackle the situation where the woman gets just the one chance to get to a police stn. I quote from Madhu Kiswar's article on Manushi (an NGO to protect women against domestic violence). She writes "In 1983, Section 498A of the IPC defined a new cognizable offence, namely, cruelty by husband or relatives of husband. This means that under this law the police have no option but to take action, once such a complaint is registered by the victim or any of her relatives. It prescribes imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years and also includes a fine.". The entire article discusses both sides of these stories and is worth reading. Check out http://www.indiatogether.org/manushi/issue120/domestic.htm

However I personally believe that crimes against women (in particular rape, sexual harassment, domestic violence, dowry harassment, etc.) would far outnumber crime against men. I don't excuse the latter merely that the former perhaps needs greater attention.

Since our legal and law enforcement agencies won't change overnight, it might be best to have a national centre that provides a 24 hour toll free helpline so that victims can call in, that *funds* and *provides a support structure* for the victims, mobilizes public opinion where required and tracks the case to closure, rehabilitates the victim, etc. I know that there's such a helpline for children (Childline) available in 30 cities (#1038).

Vivek

Good laws and their efficient enforcement will secure some justice for the victim but will not, I think, do much to deter potential rapists. If deterrance is the goal, then we may need to understand the rapist's thinking. Why did he pick this woman? Why did he think he'd get away with it? Was it an impulsive decision or a calculated one? How much force was required? What would've prevented him from acting? If he knew she was carrying, say, a can of mace or an alarm would that have stopped him? That sort of thing. Western models of the rapist mind are not very useful because the Indian context is very different. I'm hoping there's an 80-20 rule here. Something along the lines of: 80% of the rape attacks could be prevented if (a few) X's are done.

yes am:

recall those conversations...weren't you writing an article on it?

anil, sanjay, bevivek and sakhsi:

imho the solution should encompass all of the following:

* updating legislation
* rigid enforcement (and that would necessitate police and court reforms)
* awareness (education - educating both the society and the individuals)
* treatment (of the mindset and condition - castration that i hinted it could be an option - let me add -- castration is misunderstood very much as a treatment - it conjures up bloody images ---it is not necessarily so))
* establishing nation wide crisis and help centers -

your suggestions?

Bibek--there can hardly be two sides to a draconian law like 498A where the police and the judges can (and do!) put a man and his entire family (married sisters, nieces, grandmonther, and all) in jail for months without the slightest prima facie evidence! Are you kidding me!? Just as there can hardly be two sides to laws that put political prisoners or alleged terrorists in jail for months without the accused given a chance to make their case or even face a trial. If you believe two sides about such laws, you are smoking crack on behalf of the powerful and the corrupt. For purportedly "saving one woman" (the wife) you are harassing ten other women (the husband's relatives) for money. In most cases, the law enriches the girl's family and the corrupt police/judges while the girl herself -- realizing she was used by her own is MADE POWERLESS BY THE LAW not even able to take the case back -- either ends up with her youth ruined or does it all to go for her lover with the extorted money. Civilized countries have laws against domestic violence, restraining orders, civil marriage/divorce issues that can be used by either the man or the woman (in fact, they don't mention gender because they recognize same sex relationships) but they all work with ample checks and balances against the poilce and even the judges. WAKE UP FROM YOUR HALF-THOUGHT IDEAS that allow only the corrupt (this now includes women's organizations who just love wives of NRI husbands to enrich themselves!) to benefit from the half-baked laws.

I totally depore all rape crimes but the emergence of half-thought ideas pandering to specific organizations that are recently finding their way into draconian laws (i.e. without checks and balances and constitutional assumption of innocent till proven guilty) result in even-more usurping of power by the corrupt (yes, judges, lawyers and police routinely negotiate judgements based on private gains) away from the people and real victims. The solution lies in laws that are NOT KNEE-JERK AND NOT DRACONIAN. This is more so under a corrupt system than a civilized one.

Ignore Sanjay. He seems to be from the SIF brigade.

The Man vs Woman fight was started by Feminists. We have always said, punishment should be crime based and not gender based, but it seems they want to fight only on Man Vs Woman platform, then let it be.

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well ..i have seen 498a in action..my aunt who lives abroad was summoned coz her sister in law had filed 498 against her bro and family..My aunt probably had met this woman probably 3 times in her life !! I accompanied her to court to stand as a gurrantor and was actually shameful wht I saw thr.. A shrivelled old man incapacitated in a wheel chair barely conscious was getting his attendance marked for a 498 hearing..
In structure and application this law reminds me of a news item which showed policemen in ghaziabad took money to finish off ppl in encounter..

Kapil:you should write about this.... probably SIF would begin to make more sense in that case.

Question I have always been wanting to be answered.....how does a MAN manage to get a hard-on while raping.

I think many people (hence the question in # 27: Confused) are confused about rape and automtically think of it as just a sex crime. Rape is about violence and control, anger and punishing women (sometimes the victim is merely a stand-in for one particular or all women). Sex is just used as the weapon, whether through physical violence or by threats and intimidation. This might also help explain why some rapists victimize old women (stand-ins for abusive or controlling mothers?) or young girls because they are easier to manipulate and control.

For many rapists, the very act of rape and the women's resistance or passiveness is arousing in itself. That is precisely what gets them off.

Even though it's from a very Western perspective, of course, I would recommend Alice Sebold's memoir Lucky, to get a true sense of what rape and its aftermath are like.

Having said that, I too found this article's title misleading and I am not sure what the central premise really is.

I hate feminists! I respect all women excluding the feminists.

K.H. (#29): That was an illuminating comment. Was it supposed to make a point or was it just supposed to illuminate a fascinating part of your character for us?

OK, I'll rephrase that... I simply can't stand aggressive feminists who hate men. For them, every evil against women is because of men.

#30 - Jawahara... you may've tried to act smart but you didn't impress me.

Indian men are bloody fools and stay in 16th century mind set , they do not know waht is "rape and waht is date" !!!

As per LAW ,

Any Sex with out consent of a women by a men = RAPE .
any Sex with out consent of a Man by a Women = DATE.

That is the reason , man have to find some palce like dark or the guy like Abhishek have to rape a 52 years old lady ( where as he can buy at least 52 postitute in 52 hours )

Where as a Women can rape a man in her own room , in open light condition , as the same called date .

This the reson , you will never ever seen any rape by a women , you will see only a rape by a man only .

So , Indian men , try to respect the postitutes , other wise you will be termed a Anti-women , am I right dear writter ?

Yes i agree with your voice :-

"When Will Men Learn No Means No?"

I hate feminists! I respect all women excluding the feminists.

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K.H. --- do not dear to say that again , you will be termed as anti-women and Indian men don't like that word .

Women means , feminist only my dear !!!

Who gives you the maximum pains - Women .
Who gives you the maximum Happiness - women only .

Only thing we have to change as per 21st century mind set , as adviced by great feminist Ms. Sobha de , try to learn to led a life like a CATS or DOGS , every thing will be date , nothing will be rape .

Same criteria, and same stuff - believe me, we get the message. If you have anything new and reasonable to add, we will listen.

"we get the message--"

Your action does not establish that ....
Afrid to be termed as Anti-women ?

So allow the whole sale free lincences to all Politicaly correct Postitutes ?

"The Date Rape: When Will Men Learn No Means No?"

sorry writer,the reality is :-

"The Date Rape: When Will Men Learn that Yes by a woman does it realy means Yes?"

I mean no offence to anybody out here.

Which woman would want to be raped by a stranger ? None, right ? If a woman is faced with such a situation, where a man is forcing her to have intercourse, then she will naturally follow her safety instincts and would try to ward him off by beating him. As a result, the man will surely have certain injury marks on his body. However, if there isn't any injury marks on his body, could we assume that the woman did not protested or followed her safety instincts ? And if we assume she didn't, then what exactly was going on in the woman's mind ? Some say that maybe the man hit her so hard that she passed out. But then if there are no injury marks on the woman's body too that could prove that she was hit by the man before she passed out, then what does this suggests ?

Basically, it is too easy and emotionally satisfying to write about something we do not know well. Rape laws should not be so lop-sided that a girl can easily accuse her boyfriend or even her husband or any family member of rape. Sadly, it is too lop-sided. Reason ? Lack of objective study.

Women organisation along with some women rubbishes the belief that only because women these days are shown in skimpy clothes on television as well as outside on the street, rapes crimes are increasing. They argue that a woman is raped even when she has not wore a skimpy clothes and that means the obscenity lies in the male gender's mind.

First, a educated, well-to-do man will never rape anybody, with rarest of exceptions. Majority of the rapists are poor, uneducated people. I am certain that they would not dare to rape a woman wearing a skimpy clothes because they know that only a rich influential woman can wear skimpy clothes and it would a suicidal to rape her knowing her money-power and contacts. Second, a man rapes under a irresistible impulses - an impulse not to satisfy his sexual desire, but to get away from his day-to-day life of frustration. Most people have no idea how these poor people live; they listen to verbal abuse from almost everybody and everyday and I suppose they too have the right to ask the irresistible question, "WHY ME"? They work like a machine and earn a negligible amount of money and have no hopes of a brighter future. When a man's frustration crosses the healthy level, his sexual drives becomes more acute and stronger, which needs to be satisfied. This impulse drives the man toward a weaker target - a woman and sometimes even a minor girl. The root cause is frustration and depression, which I believe is inevitable in the present century looking at the way we people are living - like animals.

Making the rape laws more stringent, in other words, more lop-sided will only be more susceptible to misuse, and plenty of women organisation are available to say, "The number of men suffering is far less than the number of suffering women." Well, I don't see how this statement will solve the problem...maybe they don't intend to.

Hi Socio, Just to offer one perspective of why some girls may not inflict injury on the aggressor, they may slip into a shell-shock-freeze.

Another observation "First, a educated, well-to-do man will never rape anybody, with rarest of exceptions." Well to do people have a lot to lose, if they act on their instincts(not that their education prevents them from having these thoughts, just that the trade-off is not viable for them). Poor guys apart from the situations you have very well mentioned, have nothing much to lose, other than their life which's well in shambles

And finally, an imaginary situation if women had nothing to lose(say they won't get pregnant
), won't the tables turn!???.

I am afraid, I can't continue this discussion with you since you seem to be a feminist.

I can easily prove you wrong and correct you....but I don't care if you are wrong.

Oh my, u insulted me no end, by even thinking that I am a feminist. But what did upset u?!!!.

righta

You are a feminist. Some days back you were a woman remember? rememmmmmber

Good Sush, may be some of you have not observed the AJJ Talk news on 07/05/06, A Woman till date had filed 36 rape case.

Wonder, 36times rape.. what will be termed to those woman or some of them are hiding here?

There was Story few months back Court Charged a Man with 7 year Prison when he refused to marry a girl whom he was staying together willingly;

http://www.eenadu.net/district/districtshow1.asp?dis=hyderabad#22



but there is no punishment for below Article lady who is married to one guy and runaway and married to another;
Court will not charge her with biamy;
Court will not send her to jail for 7 years; but allow her to stay with her lover.

What a JUSTICE in INDIA.

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Bantwal, May 8: Leena Monteiro, wife of Shila Monteiro of Manila in Punacha village near Vittal here who had gone missing in last August was finally traced in Vellore by the police. But as presumed earlier, she had already married her lover Shivkumar with whom she had eloped.

As reported earlier in these columns, Leena had gone missing in last August. All the efforts by husband Shila and family members to trace her had gone in vain. Ultimately Shila had lodged a complaint with the Vittal police. But the police too failed in tracing Leena for long.

Having no other option, Shila had filed a Habeas Corpus writ in the Karnataka High Court in April, 2006. So the High Court had ordered the Vittal police to trace Leena by May 5. Having taken this order seriously, Vittal police managed to get Leenas' details and came to know that she was in Vellore with her fiancée. With the help of the Vellore police, Vittal police brought Leena to Vittal in the last week.

When she was produced before the court, she told that she had gone with Shivkumar by her own will and that they had got registered marriage. She also expressed her desire to continue living with Shivkumar. So the High Court has now allowed Leena to continue living with Shivkumar.

The sources said that Leena had been in love with Shivkumar even before her marriage with Shila. When her parents and uncle came to know about this, they gave Leena in marriage to Shila in order to keep her away from Shivkumar. But Leena eloped with Shivkumar in last August.


http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=21088&n_tit=Bantwal%3A+Missing+Leena+Monteiro+Traced+in+Vellore+with+Her+Lover+

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1028447

Rape again used for settling scores, this time using a 14 year old?

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It's obvious Sakshi has never gone on a date! hahahah just look at that title, man!

Suggestion to Sakshi - stop blogging (ok, reduce 'feminist' blogging hours) and get a life :/

Drac - Ahhh ! You are such a sweet heart. Maybe I should go on a date with you.

Just one thing, don't touch the word 'feminist' with me...I am too touchy over it. :)

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Well, what a world!

All these men with a problem with 498a.

I had to go thru similar stuff from one of my relative's inlaws. Or outlaws. Suspecting and brutal police. Impolite police.

But that does not make me bitter. It was painful, initially shameful. But not bitter.

I do know some of the people from educated or half-educated/literate people who abuse the law.

But then friends, what is the percentage of men who get harassed compared to the number of women who get abused. And we know of women abused only if they register. Or complain. That should not make one a misogynist.

There is something worse than an animal or perverse of those who violate women.

Feminism or no feminism. It does not matter. A simple rule. No one can violate another human being. If one talks about being civil.

And I admire the grace of Sakshi. Whoever it is. Woman or man. And inviting M Drac for a date.

And M. Drac. One can be draconian, in thoughts, to say one should stop blogging and getting a life. What does that mean?

Utterly MCP or thereish?

And the question of prostitutes. Even a prostitue has a right not to be violated.

Most of sex is constructed in a patriarchial lingo. And against women. Sex is a consensual act of pleasure. Not a means of power over the other.

Only the the ones harboring thoughts of impotence can act in violent ways.

Any thought, act, condoning a violating act is to be abhorred.

As simple. In this case, I have no greys. In my mind. Fortunately.

And Shri Sociologist. Apart from the brilliant essay in emptiness, any sense?

And the poor need to be blamed for rape. What was Mr Kasliwal? a poor bloke who probably could have inherited 1500 crore empire? or a part of it? Poor guy. Very poor.

As far as one knows, most of the rapes occur within known and trusting relationships. Poor or rich does not matter.

Frustration is BS. Sickness in the mind yes.

I guess the Harvard folks should award you a double Ph.D for the illustrious theses.

God bless you. For the brilliant sickness.

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"I do know some of the people from educated or half-educated/literate people who abuse the law."

Balaji uncle, now onwards i will prefer to call you Dadhu, like my own one, have the same logic and enjoying the legal terrorism a well established High Court Laywer, who enjoy by sending a lot of age old women, pregent sister and child behind the bar with a assumption based story.Daughter in law have to only sign the paper thats all.

How many terrorist killing innocent people in Kashmir?

So do you suggest, we should allow them to kill the innocent?

If, some one prefers to earn the money by dishontest way by doing the legal terorism, would you like to say , we should allow that terrorist activity?

If this is the logic, then why TADA/POTA had been changed?

At last, this not the matter of saving women, today 498A Blood cancer attacked towards more women than men. This is a fight between Criminals vs Innocent and hope all the husabnd does not produced by criminals and all the wives produced by some Raja Harish Chandra family.

Because as per you women means only a wife/dishonest daughter in law.

For me women means , a mother, sister, daughter also.

Why the same law can't be crime based instead of some assumption that all the women in the form of daughter in law are sati sabtri and all the women in the form of mother, sister and daughter are criminals?

"And the question of prostitutes. Even a prostitue has a right not to be violated"

My dear dadhu, it seems you have very good knowledge about prostitutes life!!!!

Any way as per me prostitutes earn the money by thier hard work, but I hate Pimps.

Prostitutes never send our age old parents/sister/child behind the bar to earn the money in dishonest way.

So, there is no question that people hate prostitutes, people will definetely love them.

Only thing some people hate "Legal Prostitutes" who earn the money by misusing the lovely word "Wife".

I do not know what dadhu means. will figure out.

My knowldge of prostitutes's lives how does it bother you?

I also know many male prostitutes who leech their wives and the wife's family for money, and use that lovely word husband.

Would you be interested?

Just be kush. I have decided to be.

I must get a fresh shot of anti-venom. :-)

Hee, hee, Professors does not grantee that he/she knows every thing... hope you rembember that!!!!!!

Dadhu= Auntie's father.....

Nothing bother to any one, it is the matter who says "Dowry" is the problem, prefers to buy the Male prostitutes, instead of teaching thier daughter that:-
"This is 21st centrury and you have to earn yourself to establish and find your life partner as per your capalibility, instead of serching a male prostitutes in the name of marriage and as per LAW that is not a crime...wonder!!!!!

Recently one of our SIF uncle, deposited two bed sheet to the police station with a warning that " If the dadhu try to bribe again, he will send him to jail".
One more Uncle, send Packed the window A/C at police station and the same warning issued that they will prefer to stay in Water cooler, but no bribe buisness pleas.

And for your kind information,no 498A against them and all are living happyly in the same house..wonder!!!

Not many, approxmitely 99.999999% wives take money from husabnd and husabnd property which is called "SOWRY", what do we call them?

This not 16th century, this is 21st century, dadhu...

Only difference between your thinking and fight between us:-

A.Those Child to be saved who are suffering in Single Parenting System( let it be male/female prostitutes child)

vs
B.Those pimps who works and make LAW to encourage the Prostitutes Buiseness instead of allowing them to earn the money by thier own hard work.

No one putting any gun to any one's head, it is the individual choice, which path they have to walk!!!

a little bird is telling me refrain. So shall i.

A little bird is telling every one from his birth itself to refrain..
Kash you should have done that moment itself..

Any way "Late is always better than Never..."

Dadhu, my question still unanswered regarding dowry,streedhan,sowry and offcourse why a sex under date called rape?

Kush, your rap gets old fast, get with it, dude, and get other topics to riff on.

Uncle, just check the comment section, the same had been started by our dadhu in the name Balaji, comment no.52.

aaman:

for kush uncle

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Temporal uncle I have learn a lot of words from you and your friends, which I reproduce.

But, "If Balaji bowl a Fulltoss to Adam Gilcrist that also in Leg side and then the ball goes out of field,why to Blame Adam?"

Logic says, "Balaji should improve his Bowling instead of asking Adam to get out in a Fulltoss Bowl..."

Hee..Hee.. still the LBW( Leg before the wicket) law is there but BBW(Bat before the wicket) is not passed in internate Play....

one aswer to all your questions.

one could try change one's sex to be a woman.

and see the meaning of dates/rapes/streedhan/sowry/dowry/in-laws/out-laws

baap re baap. internet time! I was uncle a few days ago and became a dadhu.

i guess before i become ancient, and the origin of origins - better be return-hurt :-)

Not a bad idea, hope some dadhu allready done that sucessfully..hee.. hee.

If Sex change is the solution, women also have the same option to be a Men instead of doing the legal terrorism or burn thier Husabnd.

The solution is, "our dadhu's should stop treating thier daughter/sister as a Commodity and teach them that earn yourself and chose your life partner at your own capability"

Failure of realtionship is not for fight between Uncle vs Auntie.

Failure of marriage due to those Dadhu, who prefers to stay in 16th century instead of coming to 21st century reality.

'visheshataha, sarva vidaam samaaje, vibhushanam mounamapanditaanaam'.

..especially,in the presence of wise people, it is wise for the unwise to shut their mouth.

I shall.

Dadhu special gift for you, hope you will enjoy the same!!!

Tortured man out of wife abuse net
The Telegraph Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:08 PM PDT
Calcutta, June 8: Calcutta High Court today granted bail to a doctor, accused of
torturing his wife, after it was proved that it was he who had been physically
abused and not the other way round.

Tortured man out of wife abuse net
OUR LEGAL REPORTER Calcutta, June 8: Calcutta High Court today granted
bail to a doctor, accused of torturing his wife, after it was proved that it was
he who had been physically abused and not the other way round.
After hearing the petition of Ishani Kumar Ghosh, a 34-year-old medical
officer of North Bengal University, Justice S.P. Talukdar said the "dangerous"
practice of misusing Section 498A of the Indian Penal Code (cruelty on
housewives by husbands and in-laws) should be immediately stopped.
Ishani married 30-year-old Sumana, also a doctor, on February 18 this year and
the couple lived in Jalpaiguri. A few days later, Sumana began assaulting him,
Ishani told the court today. She would scratch him and leave him bleeding at
night.
Ishani then learnt that his wife was a psychiatric patient who was under
medication.
When Sumana realised she could be in trouble, she told her husband that she
wanted to go back to her parents in Asansol, where she would start her private
practice.
Sumana lodged a police complaint as soon as she reached there.
Ishani was arrested in Asansol when he went there on May 31 to give Sumana her
jewellery. He was produced before the additional chief judicial magistrate of
Asansol the next day, who sent him to jail.
Ishani then moved the high court, which granted him bail today.
The ruling comes as a boost to lawyers who have long been demanding an amendment to Section 498A of the IPC, which allows police to arrest the persons named in FIRs without verifying the allegations.

When men change sex atleast by wearing women clothes what do they do they behave like women i.e. Ask every one for money ,
I have seen many men wear womens clothes clap their hands and then ask for money from men.

Probably this is what these men have seen women do anyways. Ask for money from father, brother, husband instead of fending for themselves like men do

So dadu there is no point in asking men to become women becuase then who will pull rockshaws , be a tambi at chai shop , be a painter and allthe tough jobs . women are not asking for any reservations here anyways

vibhushanam maounamapanditanam.

Let's not deviate from the Issue.
Take the example of murder. We know India has stringent laws for murder but do you know the murder rate in India? Can a law stop crime?

CRIMINALS should always get the stringent punishment possible to increase fear factor in other like minded criminals.

But my dear author, request you to make it very clear that Criminals are simply Criminals as they do not have right thinking mind. They are not gender specific.

Men know that No Means No but CRIMINALS don't!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but please do not term all men as ...

Tempji I hope you are happy with the above comment. Your wish is granted :)

If we simply go by Author's logic, we can also generalize the following scenario:
Murder rate in our country is horrific. Taking this data into account, we can easily term India as 'Nation Of Murderers'.

And I guess, not one, including out Author, should have any problem to this terminology...

p:

"flogging a horse
and
knowing not
the horse is dead"

is that what you meant?

;)

Isn't generalizing all men as pigs would be the same as generalizing all women who wear mini skirts as sluts?

Personally I said no twice to to 2 different women. One was piss drunk and the other was looking for comfort after a major fight at home. I talked to my (male) friends about it, and after the initial ribbing they all agreed they would have done the same thing.

Jonathan Ross is dubbed "risque" by Ofcom but not in breach of rules over an interview with David Cameron...

A drunken woman can still consent to sex, the Court of Appeal ruled on 26/3/2007
Three senior judges were giving reasons for clearing a 25-year-old man of raping a student, aged 19, after both had been drinking heavily.

read it here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/27/nrape27.xml

justice at last.what say men ? lol the femnazis are in hiding now

little skank chooses to go to a bar, little skank chooses to drink, little skank chooses to keep drinking, little skanks feeling a little tipsy but chooses to keep on drinking, little skank deserves the consequences. its a friggin calculated risk!!

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Sakshi Juneja, the author of this article seems a bit confused. Is the argument that it is not enough to prosecute the rich while the vast majority of similar crimes go unpunished? Or why pick on rich families with reputations? Given that not all cases can be prosecuted or draw the attention of a half-baked blogger, who's to choose what cases to prosecute?

Also it is not clear if the author distinguishes rape from date rape. Finally, I wonder if the author is falling for the typical "ruling class" apologist where "reputations" are considered more important than the lives of others. What about the woman's reputation?

I say bloggers should stay away from the story, let the courts run their course and then comment on the outcome.

There's a growing trend with foreign women coming to India and making false rape/attempted rape/ molestation charges against the young rich set.They know their white skin will hold them in good stead with the authorities here

Kela, you wrote "... their white skin will hold them in good stead ..".

Are you a moron or a racist or both. Just wondering.

Pavan why does your name remind me of breaking wind;there! i just let out a nice smelly fart..oops i hope i didn't stain my undies,lemme check..

@Kela: that explains the stench.

Microsoft and Peter Jackson postpone the making of a film based on the Halo video game after backers pull out...

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