Desicritics Comments on And Yes, Australia Is Racist

Comment by Gulam Husain

Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:56:20 EST

Hi Sakshi, I have found your article extremely racist when you say "...The big change has been with the arrival of Muslims from the Mid-East, mostly Lebanese..." and extremely biased when you enlighten us with "...In the demonstration a few innocent people of mid-Eastern background were assaulted. But then casualties occur everywhere and in every situation of such magnitude...". I would recommend you to read what Raj Thackeray says about Biharis in his articles. Replace 'Biharis' with 'Lebanese Muslims' and 'Mumbai' with 'Sydney' and you will be able to find what I am trying to say. Thanx Gulam Husain

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Comment by No Hate

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:15:37 EDT

Anglo Saxon Australians should treat other races with respect if they want to get repect back.

Comment by No Hate

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:11:56 EDT

1. Many Anglo Saxons complain about the Lebanese Gangs and their crime and racism. Are Anglo Saxon Australians aware how much crime and racism they brought into Australia because the the majority of crime and racism is committed by Anglo Saxons. 2. Cronulla Race Rioters complain the Lebanese Gangs get away with horrific crimes against them, but look at how many terrible crimes Anglo Saxon Australians got away with against Lebanese and Muslim Australians. Just look at the Cronulla Race Riots for example. 3. There are 2 sides to what lead to the riots because their was racial harassment from both sides. 4. The Lebanese Gangs dislike the Australian flag for a good reason because it symbolizes Anglo Saxons who they have a reason for dislikng.

Comment by No Hate

Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:21:35 EDT

To smallsquirrel. Arabs and Muslims are the most racially discriminated peoples in Australia. Many Arab and Muslim youths say they are racially discriminated under Australia's new anti-terror laws. The Cronulla Riots Revenge Attacks were a reaction to years of harassment from White Australians.

Comment by No Hate

Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:38:06 EDT

To smallsquirrel. I guess people are more likely to be victims of racism a lot in countries that are not that multicultural and if they are new to the country.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:53:28 EDT

No hate... that is a difficult question. I think all people with white skin are treated differently here. I am seen as a tourist, and therefore a "cash cow" if you will... people assume that I am coming over with buckets of money and therefore quote me insane prices everywhere. it takes ages of bargaining for everything to convince them that I live here, have a family here and earn in rupees only. Is that racially motivated? On the surface yes. But will these same shopkeepers and auto drivers also fleece an NRI or a even a tourist from Delhi? Yes. There are also other forms of discrimination in the form of prejudice. People assume that: I am Christian, that I support Bush, that I am for the war, that I am some mindless American, that all Americans are stupid, that I do not understand the local language, that my husband is my driver and not my husband at all, that I am rich and have 5 servants, that I behave like someone on the OC or some other such show on Star World.. the list goes on. This has much to do with lack of exposure to others than much of anything else, though. I will tell ya, Australia's handling of the recent terror case has not impressed me. So there is a credit to your argument!

Comment by Siffer

Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:51:44 EDT

All western/ised countries are not racist. Only India is the country of racist, castist, intolerant slave traders. And we all are McCaulay's children. Hail McCauley!!

Comment by No Hate

Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:08:40 EDT

To Sakshi. Some of my posts above were wrong of me to say. Can you delete them? To smallsquirrel. Have you been racially discriminated against in India?

Comment by No Hate

Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:48:33 EDT

To Jawahara. I am assuming you are talking about the Imam Taj El-Din Hamid Hilaly who gave that speech about women.

Comment by Jawahara

Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:21:09 EDT

Let me say at the outset that I am no fan of middle-eastern attitudes towards women and the "uncovered meat" referenc to Australian women made by a mullah a while ago made me sick to my stomach. But I am also aware of Australia's very racist, not to mention white-is-superior past. And these do not just go away. There are two (perhaps more than two) truths here. Yes, Muslim men from the middle-east have unhealthy attitudes towards women and yes, they have raped young girls in Australia. And yes, Australia has a racist past and when something is institutionalized for centuries it does not just disappear overnight. It is naive to think that racism does not exist in Australia just because it has not happened directly to you. I have never experienced racism in the US (where I've lived for 20 years) but I do know that it happens and that it is real. And racism is also not of the open KKK variety. It can be more subtle, hidden and insidious. How are two people who've committed the same crime treated if one is white and one is not? It can appear in coded terms: communication problems can be code for he has an accent (of course an Indian or Chinese accent is more problematic than a French one). Also, Sakshi, this was disturbingly reminiscent of the Jim Crow (Birth of a Nation) time in the US: black (in this case brown) men are raping white women. That does not mean that young, white girls are not being raped but that there is some kind of frenzy being whipped up that can never end well. In America's racist past this meant killing 12-year old black boys who tipped their hat to a white lady or lynch mobs killing black men because they were thought to have raped white women. This making of the other into a villanous, raping beast is scary. And to really solve the issue I think Australians need to look below the surface and really try to understand what's going. And when is say Australians I include all immigrants...including those from whose ranks these rapists emerge. Those were my very long-winded two cents *plink, plink*

Comment by smallsquirrel

Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:57:58 EDT

No hate... Living in India is a mixed bag. It is an amazing place. Absolutely amazing. But life here is not easy, especially if you have come from the US or Europe. Things move at a different pace, and you must take your expectations for how things work and recalibrate them for how they work here. Is there racial discrimination here? Short answer is yes.. on so many different levels... caste, socioeconomic, religious... you name it! it is a society and I do not think there is a society on the planet that does not suffer from this blight. So India is the same in this regard. I think you should keep in mind that every person has prejudices. you are no different, I am no different. so you should see the contradiction in saying that you are not racist, yet you were racist against white australians. In the end that should get you closer to understanding how misunderstandings occur between groups.

Comment by No Hate

Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:58:14 EDT

Anyway. smallsquirrel forget what I said in post 42. It was wrong of me to post that as a couple of my other posts were. How do you like living in India? Is there a lot of racial discrimination there? I work with a guy who is Indian and is a very nice guy. He is very strict though with his kids. My name is No Hate because I am not racist. I did go overboard by saying all White Australians are racist.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Tue, 3 Jul 2007 01:52:05 EDT

wow, that's a great way to start a dialog~! (not) and then why is your ID "no hate"?!?!?!?

Comment by No Hate

Tue, 3 Jul 2007 00:57:05 EDT

Any of you racist terrorist White Australians have the guts to respond?

Comment by No Hate

Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:04:32 EDT

That's weird. In Canada and the United States, people who commit hate crimes are charged under hate crime laws. When they do commit hate crimes they are usually charged for various other offences and a hate crime. A hate crime is another offence. I also read that the police stated that the Revenge Attackers were more likely to be targeted for a hate crime.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:55:18 EDT

no hate... hate crimes are very specific things, so it could be that what you think is a hate crime and the legal definition of hate crime is different. you should know that also. yes, blaming sun exposure is a lame excuse.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:54:43 EDT

no hate... hate crimes are very specific things, so it could be that you you think is a hate crime and the legal definition of hate crime is different. you should know that also. yes, blaming sun exposure is a lame excuse.

Comment by No Hate

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:25:54 EDT

51 Cronulla Rioters and 54 Revenge Attackers have been charged. I have not heard about the Cronulla Rioters being charged with a hate crime considering thousands chanting racial slurs and writting racist slogans. Charges included affray, rioting, threatening with violence, and possession or use of prohibited weapons but no hate crime. Also, Police Minister Carl Scully blamed too much alcohol which I can understand and TOO MUCH SUN for the cause of the Cronulla Rioters. TOO MUCH SUN. What a lame excuse dont you think.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:22:30 EDT

no hate... I am a conglomerate. I am an italian jew who is basically from the US, but lives in India with my Indian husband. I have experienced racism when I went to Canada. In Vancouver, about 8 years ago, when I went with my boyfriend at the time who was black. He felt very uncomfortable in most high-end shops there. Shopkeepers in expensive parts of town followed him about like he was some kind of criminal and acted surprised when he purchased expensive items rather than stealing them. However most people on the streets were perfectly lovely and very very warm. When I said look into the numbers, I meant that when you say that no white person has been prosecuted for a hate crime in Australia... does that mean literally NO ONE? Take a look at incarceration numbers and the break down of who is locked up by race and crime committed. that should tell you something. Research if your supposition that no white person HAS been arrested for a hate crime. That kind of thing. Back up your argument with numbers and links to where you got them. I myself would be very interested in what the numbers tell!

Comment by No Hate

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:52:17 EDT

To small Squirrel. If that offended you, I apoligize. 2 questions for you. What country are you from? Have you personally experienced racism on your visit to Canada? I am a Canadian of many different backrounds. I am a Canadian of Polish, Irish, British, and Romanian backround. I welcome all people of different nationalities to Canada and even though I was born here, the immigrants to Canada have just as much all the rights to Canada as I do. You have asked me about what it is like to live in Canada from a person of colour or immigrants point of view. Although many have said they are overall happy with Canada, their are others that are not. Yes their are definately ones that are racially discriminated against. Not all White Canadians are racist. In a recent poll, 25% percent said there is a lot of racism here, 61% said there is some, 12% said not very much, and 3% said there is none at all in Canada. Like you said, I am not an immigrant to Canada so I cannot talk on behalf of a newcomers view of Canada. Racism is defenitely here. Anti-White Racism, anti-black racism, anti-asian racism, racial profilling, mistreatment of Aboriginals hate groups, etc. 59% of people from Quebec say they are racist to some degree in a poll. There was an increase in Anti-Muslim incidents around the time of Sept.11. Not sure if it has died down now though. Do not get me wrong, Canada is not perfect. Also, What do you mean when you say " I would like you to look into the Numbers"?

Comment by smallsquirrel

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:00:56 EDT

you said "don't dare tell you...." and that's not friendly-like, ya! :)

Comment by No Hate

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:41:28 EDT

I am not taking a nasty tone with you. My Post in 32 are 12 actual facts about some of Australia's racism that have happened and still happen.

Comment by smallsquirrel

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:05:58 EDT

No Hate... I think it is your writing. No offense, but it is not good. What you said is this: Canada is the only country in the world where all nationalities integrete well with one another for the most part. That sentence makes no sense... it is an absolute (canada is the ONLY country) statement with a modifier at the end (for the most part). You need to choose your words more carefully. Anyway, read what I had said. No I have not been to Australia. Yes I have been to Canada. I have never said you are not telling the truth. What I said is that you seem to be telling these things simply from a narrative position rather than based on solid facts. And since you are white, your perceptions of Canada as a some kind of utopia for minorities might be skewed. I only encouraged you to look into the numbers more to back up what you are saying. We can *all* have opinions, but you really make a stronger argument when you can use official facts and figures to back up what you are saying. You have started to do that in the list above, but it is mixed in with narrative, which clouds the issue. Look, I have never said Australia is not racist, so don't take a nasty tone with me. I am helping you to shape a coherent argument, which quite frankly you have yet to do.